The Shopping of JC... A Hypothetical Possiblity

[Redskinjoe]

I have never started a thread on here but I thought this may be a perspective worth looking at. So here it is...

The entire WORLD knows Snyder is famous for believing he can find a quick fix to the Skin's woes by spending money and sacrificing the future. So much so that when any player of value is attainable the Skins are always mentioned as front runners.

Taking this into consideration, the number of picks we do have available, the number of teams needing a franchise QB, and the no. of quality QB's in the draft... Is there a possibility the Skins dangled JC and this years 1st round pick to the Broncos to drive the price up (or attain Cutler) thus making the possibility of trading down greater should Sanchez or Stafford be available?

One of the two will definitely be gone before the Skins pick. Sanchez is around the bottom of the first 10 picks in most mock drafts. If he does fall to the Skins at 13 it may be just what they need to gain more selections.

I say this because the manner in which the Skin's front office conducted themselves was terrible. Bringing in Leftwich afterward only added to insult to injury. Maybe they (Snyder & Cerrato) are telling Campbell "Hey bud. You're fine. We knew someone would offer more. We are being open and notorious about another QB because we want to trade down. Just go with the flow. Its all good."

It wreaks of a business move, not good for the team. Just like Danny boy.

[Hunter_R]

I get what you're saying now. Honestly, I'm not sure if the has shown it can be sneaky in that way.

[dreamboater]

I'm confused.

You realize that Cutler isn't a Bronco anymore, right? You also realize that they tried getting a 2nd for JC and failed, right?

Has it been stated that we were turned down with the 2nd for JC trade? I have not heard that and have wondered. I kept saying if we could get a 2nd...we need to be on the phone.

[bubba9497]

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Ben Hornseth, Vienna, VA

Can you see the redskins trading Jason Campbell on draft day?


Vic Carucci, Senior Writer, NFL.com

I can see that, but I'd have to know who they then would turn to as a starting quarterback. Right now, I don't think they're satisfied they have his replacement. Showing interest in Jay Cutler was one thing. Trading Campbell just to trade him wouldn't make sense to me until I see the rest of the plan to fill the starting spot.

[2cents]

It sounds interesting, but I don't think Danny and Vinnie are that astute in the world of the NFL trade market. But with those two, anything is possible.

[D'Pablo]

So, the Redskins front office shopped Jason Campbell to make it seem as though they would take a QB with the 13th pick. In doing so, they made the pick more valuable in trade-down situations with teams looking to grab a QB. Gotcha.

[dreamboater]

I for one think if Sanchez is there at 13...Vinnie and Danny will take him. I dont see him getting by us.

[TheLongshot]

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Ben Hornseth, Vienna, VA

Can you see the redskins trading Jason Campbell on draft day?


Vic Carucci, Senior Writer, NFL.com

I can see that, but I'd have to know who they then would turn to as a starting quarterback. Right now, I don't think they're satisfied they have his replacement. Showing interest in Jay Cutler was one thing. Trading Campbell just to trade him wouldn't make sense to me until I see the rest of the plan to fill the starting spot.

As usual, you are ahead of me. I thought of that quote when I saw this thread.

No, I don't think Campbell is going to get moved because there really isn't anyone ready to take the reins, and that includes if they decide to draft a QB in the 1st round.

[Bang]

If Leftwich was being brought in to compete with or replace Campbell, he'd have a contract right now.
He's a hometown boy, grew up here in DC, and is a fan of the Redskins. If we gave him the chance to start, even the chance to compete for the job, I'd think he'd take it. He wants to be a starter, and so far I don't see anyone else ringing his phone.
Based on all that, I'd say he was told he was here to take Collins' job.

It's possible they dangled JC for better positioning to draft Sanchez, but it's a risky move. Too risky to be true, I'd wager.

~Bang

[1972FAN]

I for one think if Sanchez is there at 13...Vinnie and Danny will take him. I dont see him getting by us.

I would definetly agree they would weigh on it heavily and take trade offers but only if Denver wasn't picking ahead of us. I believe they will take a QB if available.

[MLSKINS]

Somebody said something like this. But it is nice to say it again.

[Hooper]

It sounds interesting, but I don't think Danny and Vinnie are that astute in the world of the NFL trade market.

Exactly. Every year or so they make some colossal mistake. We all yawned when Jason Taylor was released because we're used to it. A second and a sixth got us NOTHING but that's business as usual under Danny and Vinny.

[SnyderMustGo]

Uhh... no.

You don't not extend Campbell, offer him along with 2 1's for one player, offer him straight up to any taker for a 2nd, and destroy the QB's self-esteem and discredit him to your fanbase all in a conniving attempt to try to get someone to trade up with you.

[CM916]

Even if you think Campbell is an 8-8 guy at best, you can't get rid of him until you have both a team that really wants him and a suitable replacement lined up. To just drop him and hope you can find someone better down the road dooms the franchise.

[WorshiptheMonk81]

I like Campbell and believe he has earned his shot for the upcoming season to start all 16. I also believe if its anotheryear of 13 td's and 6 ints's he will be DONE. But until he gets his fair shot at another full season as undisputed starter, we just dont know. I do know im sick of yanking staff and players after 1-2 seasons of being a skin. it takes time to build, and thisis what Jayson needs. But thats just all in my opinion.....HAIL

[Redskinjoe]

If Leftwich was being brought in to compete with or replace Campbell, he'd have a contract right now.
He's a hometown boy, grew up here in DC, and is a fan of the Redskins. If we gave him the chance to start, even the chance to compete for the job, I'd think he'd take it. He wants to be a starter, and so far I don't see anyone else ringing his phone.
Based on all that, I'd say he was told he was here to take Collins' job.

It's possible they dangled JC for better positioning to draft Sanchez, but it's a risky move. Too risky to be true, I'd wager.

~Bang

The reason I believe this may be a possibility is due to JC's demeanor. He's not a high to low (stays even) like most prima donna QB's. He has the attitude to be able to separate this issue which may enable Snyder & Cerrato to play games.

He has always been in flux regarding O-Coordinators. He's done a bang up job at transitioning from offense to offense but has not been in a particular offense long enough to progress into reading defenses (higher than a basic level), calling audibles, or even pulling a S/DB visually. He's too busy mentally processing one play at a time. All this is evident when defenses take away what the Skins do well... forcing JC to win the game with his arm and brains.

I just can't believe the Skins front office was that stupid to intentionally ruin the confidence (and potential chance to resign) of Campbell. Snyder has a reputation. Why not use what you do have (reputation and a mentally strong QB) to get what you really want... the opportunity to trade down?

Does anyone know exactly what the Skins offered for Cutler? I've heard JC and our 1st round this year along with 2 no. 1's and JC. What was the official offer?

[dreamboater]

I would definetly agree they would weigh on it heavily and take trade offers but only if Denver wasn't picking ahead of us. I believe they will take a QB if available.

However, if the decision to trade with Chicago was because of Orton, I would think McDaniels is satisfied for one year. They need desperate help on defense. I see them using #12 for a DE or LB

[Capt Rich Fla]

It sounds interesting, but I don't think Danny and Vinnie are that astute in the world of the NFL trade market. But with those two, anything is possible.

They've never ceased to shock the heck out of me.

[McD5]

I have never started a thread on here but I thought this may be a perspective worth looking at. So here it is...

The entire WORLD knows Snyder is famous for believing he can find a quick fix to the Skin's woes by spending money and sacrificing the future. So much so that when any player of value is attainable the Skins are always mentioned as front runners.

Taking this into consideration, the number of picks we do have available, the number of teams needing a franchise QB, and the no. of quality QB's in the draft... Is there a possibility the Skins dangled JC and this years 1st round pick to the Broncos to drive the price up (or attain Cutler) thus making the possibility of trading down greater should Sanchez or Stafford be available?

One of the two will definitely be gone before the Skins pick. Sanchez is around the bottom of the first 10 picks in most mock drafts. If he does fall to the Skins at 13 it may be just what they need to gain more selections.

I say this because the manner in which the Skin's front office was terrible. Bringing in Leftwich afterword only added to insult to injury. Maybe they (Snyder & Cerrato) are telling Campbell "Hey bud. You're fine. We knew someone would offer more. We are being open and notorious about another QB because we want to trade down. Just go with the flow. Its all good."

It wreaks of a business move, not good for the team. Just like Danny boy.


Our FO with an actual strategy???

That would require an iq above and beyond that of an eggplant.

[gonzalez_p]

So basically we replace Jason this year with B. Leftwich or we replace him next year. What's the difference? If we draft a replacement for him this year, JC will work hard to show his potential and the draft pick sits on the bench learning the play book. If we draft a replacement for him next year, we let J.C. go as a RFA or FA (depending on contract negotiations), and start a rookie. I believe the F.O has already decided that J.C. is not the answer. The real question is when will they lower the axe, and who will the Redskins get to replace him. :cool2:

By the way, I think Snyder is smarter then you think. What do Redskins fans do? Complain about the teanm on extremeskin and they get more attached to their beloved franchise bad times or good. I read all the negativity, but at the end of the day...J.C.'s replacement for 2010 coming a year early makes sense to me. The last thing I want to wait through is a rookie QB's development.

[Portis for 6]

What about getting players we need? Ohhh... like OL or DL or LB or K or anything but a QB!:cool:please!

[Tastes Like Chicken]

It is possible, but then would Ben remember who came back to shoot him, or did he send him knowing that it must be Sayid. And is it all a time loop? :silly:

I highly doubt that they would risk it, considering the possible repercussions. I think they went 'all in' because it was the right thing to do at the time. They didn't get Cutler, and their hand was exposed to Campbell. Now they have to weight the options- can they draft a QB now, or wait until next April and possibly let a new HC pick the guy?

[Bang]

What about getting players we need? Ohhh... like OL or DL or LB or K or anything but a QB!:cool:please!

Well, we do need a backup QB. Collins is about as old as my grandpappy, and I don't think Colt is ready to be handed the second string job. I'd say let him face a defense once that uses a player that will actually start in the regular season. I like him, but if he's not ready and he has to go in for injury, that is the wrong time to find out.

~Bang

[Burgold]

pretty good first thread. What are suggesting isn't impossible, but I think more likely is when people heard that the Redskins put their name in the hat, Snyder's reputation immediately upped the ante. Snyder is known as an overpayer and someone who really goes after what he wants hard. So, the effect may be what you suggested even without intention.

Personally, I never thought that Cutler was worth nearly twice the price of a franchise tag.

[Redskinjoe]

I disagree. Jason definiyely is being shopped around (and has probably been told this.) Thats why BL was brought in as the next QB's back/up ... cheap insurance if either Colt or Mark Sanchez do not pan out "immediately." Snider has told Zorn he does not want to waste another season with JC ... but this a delicate situation requiring political correctness so it has to be done with smoke and mirrors. Jason will be traded before or on Draft Day.

Trading him on draft day? I heard they attempted to trade JC when Gibbs left and couldn't find takers... Of course I only found this out this year. Question is: If they shopped JC quietly last year, why couldn't they do the same this year?

Just a bad move to let that type of info out in the open. Good propaganda otherwise.

JC will not be traded on draft day.

[Redskinjoe]

pretty good first thread. What are suggesting isn't impossible, but I think more likely is when people heard that the Redskins put their name in the hat, Snyder's reputation immediately upped the ante. Snyder is known as an overpayer and someone who really goes after what he wants hard. So, the effect may be what you suggested even without intention.

Personally, I never thought that Cutler was worth nearly twice the price of a franchise tag.

Burgold: How about the Matt Ryan last season? Would you franchise him? How about Joe Flacco? Guys like these walk into the league one year and all of a sudden the fools believe they deserve their franchise QB too! All they have to do is pick one. Everyone w/o a franchise QB is ripe for it right now.

I don't recall who we added to our front office in the scouting department after the draft last year. I do know he worked for the skins in a lesser position years back and is considered to be one of the best scouts/eye for talent type guys by many in the league. He worked his way up from the film room if I recall. I believe he was with Pittsburgh but I may be mistaken. This addition is why I think ole' Danny Boy is playing the impatient one. He actually has some insight due to this man who's name I can't recall. Now it is Darnit Dan the "I want my draft picks back" Man!

Either that or he is truly a g-zillionare screw up.

[Veretax]

I disagree. Jason definiyely is being shopped around (and has probably been told this.) Thats why BL was brought in as the next QB's back/up ... cheap insurance if either Colt or Mark Sanchez do not pan out "immediately." Snider has told Zorn he does not want to waste another season with JC ... but this a delicate situation requiring political correctness so it has to be done with smoke and mirrors. Jason will be traded before or on Draft Day.

Unless you can cite me a source that says Dan Snyder actually is on record as saying this to Zorn, then it is nothing but speculation.


However, the Redskins have tried blowing smoke like this in the past and failed.

[Snagletooth]

Huh?

Are you saying we created an "illusion" that we want a QB?

Edit:

Ok, I read the OP again. Still trying to shake off the cobwebs I guess.

So you are saying:

1. Danny & Vinny really like Campbell as our Qb.
2. We never wanted Cutler.
3. We artificially have driven up the trade cost of all Qb's.
4. We now will be able to trade out of #13, should Sanchez fall to us, and reap a massive bounty as reward.

Very clever indeed. This is the only logical explanation for the "perceived" poor treatment of our beloved Qb.

If we can pull off this stunt. It just might propel us all the way to the Super Bowl!

[derekc4]

Uhh... no.

You don't not extend Campbell, offer him along with 2 1's for one player, offer him straight up to any taker for a 2nd, and destroy the QB's self-esteem and discredit him to your fanbase all in a conniving attempt to try to get someone to trade up with you.

Unless you tell him the plan first.

[jasjhughes]

Uhh... no.

You don't not extend Campbell, offer him along with 2 1's for one player, offer him straight up to any taker for a 2nd, and destroy the QB's self-esteem and discredit him to your fanbase all in a conniving attempt to try to get someone to trade up with you.

When I read the OP, my first thought was that our FO isn't that smart. Now that I've read yours, I can't help but think OMG, they are that stupid.