ESPN: Bills shopping Parrish. Should we??? I hope.

[ABSTRACT]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4057069

The article said Bills have TOO MANy receivers. lol I would love for us to be in that type of position. I have always like Roscoe as well. I like his hands, his speed, and his route running, and his name as well because it sounds spunky.

I love ARE but I think he is only good for 2 more years in DC. Roscoe is ONLY 25 as well. We all know that we need young productive fire power at this position anyway.

So what does everyone think that we should do??

[JVSkins n Hokies]

he's 26 and he's 5'9. i'll pass.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

he's 26 and he's 5'9. i'll pass.

It would be more for his KR/PR skills than anything

[NoleSkin21]

A BIG **** NO!!!! Short, injury prone, and what we need at that position.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

Absolutely not.

It would be a waste of cap and a roster spot.

[ABSTRACT]

Wow I didn't know he was that short. He is almost my height and I am 5'5. I can give him a high five without jumping, maybe I should try out for the Redskins. Well if we did not pick up Alridge and Dorsey, we would need him for kick returning but I want Dorsey or/and Aldridge to make the team so I guess...

[Xero21]

If he could replace Thrash for cheap, sure. Though I do like Thrash.

[Laxpunk2006]

If he was a free agent I wouldn't mind but not worth a draft pick with the needs we have. He would essentially be our #5 and therefor not worth a pick.

[AKM311]

He would require a salary much larger than we can afford.

He would be Randle El part 2

[SIXX99]

He would require a salary much larger than we can afford.

He would be Randle El part 2

Yeah and we need another El like a hole in the head.

[HitStickTaylor21]

Another addition to "The U" crew, he'd be great for returning kicks, but I wouldn't trade for him, just pick him up if he's cut

[PrimetimeSkins26]

Roscoe Parrish is the type of player you can draft in the 4th or 5th rounds. I'd stay away from him.

[flock53]

Yeah and we need another El like a hole in the head.
As soon as we land him, hed suck at returning. :doh: Lets pay him BIG $$$$$

[derekc4]

Eh, good player, but we have bigger needs.

[KDawg]

I'm not sure people here should dismiss him so quickly. The guy can flat out return the football. His size is a benefit in that role. It's tough to catch a guy that size in the open field. Plus he's extremely quick and very shifty. Very good return man.

The issue is what kind of contract would he want after trading for him... And what would we have to give up to get him. Those are the issues at hand. Not his abilities. :)

[SonOfWashington]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, but I fear he would fail like Jerome Mathis (who I had high hopes for and don't know why he didn't work out). But man, Parrish is electric at PR. For instance, this return he had week 1 of 2008:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a9615c

If Dorsey can pan out, fine. I really hope so. But if not, Parrish might fit as a nice punt returner, and an obvious upgrade over ARE at that position (hell, anyone would).

Shall we statistically compare the two at PR the last three years? Notice the difference in averages last year. Roscoe had 18 less returns, and an average of nearly nine yeards per return.

Roscoe:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q298/dusta619/2nd/parrish.jpg

Randle El:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q298/dusta619/2nd/randleel.jpg

Who cares if he's short? He produces (see: Sproles). If he gets cut, I say bring him in, give him a shot.

[ABSTRACT]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, but I fear he would fail like Jerome Mathis (who I had high hopes for and don't know why he didn't work out). But man, Parrish is electric at PR. For instance, this return he had week 1 of 2008:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a9615c

If Dorsey can pan out, fine. I really hope so. But if not, Parrish might fit as a nice punt returner, and an obvious upgrade over ARE at that position (hell, anyone would).

Shall we statistically compare the two at PR the last three years? Notice the difference in averages last year. Roscoe had 18 less returns, and an average of nearly nine yeards per return.

Roscoe:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q298/dusta619/2nd/parrish.jpg

Randle El:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q298/dusta619/2nd/randleel.jpg

Who cares if he's short? He produces (see: Sproles). If he gets cut, I say bring him in, give him a shot.

Thank you for this Son of Washington. I love it. We can sign him for a small deal.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

theyre gonna want draft picks for him, which we cannot give up. plus id rather give one of these burners we signed in the offseason a chance to return to punts. besides, parrish is a #3 receiver, which is what ARE is supposed to be, and if we ended up with parrish we'd have 6 WRs which is way too many, unless we cut thrash, which we shouldnt because hes a good teams guy and #5 receiver.

[DButz65]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, but I fear he would fail like Jerome Mathis (who I had high hopes for and don't know why he didn't work out). But man, Parrish is electric at PR. For instance, this return he had week 1 of 2008:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a9615c

If Dorsey can pan out, fine. I really hope so. But if not, Parrish might fit as a nice punt returner, and an obvious upgrade over ARE at that position (hell, anyone would).

Shall we statistically compare the two at PR the last three years? Notice the difference in averages last year. Roscoe had 18 less returns, and an average of nearly nine yeards per return.

Who cares if he's short? He produces (see: Sproles). If he gets cut, I say bring him in, give him a shot.



I dont care who you put back there with our special teams blocking, its been horrible for years, hell even Deon Smeon couldnt return punts here successfully. Rosco wouldnt be any different IMHO. No blocking = no good return yards.A.R.E. has guys on top of him the second hes catches a punt. I voted NO

[SkinSince87]

yea we have a guy like this already his name is santana moss... pass

[Stew]

he's 26 and he's 5'9. i'll pass.

Ill pass on Roscoe, now if Lee was available...

[Chief skin]

Know it all vinny drafted receivers last year we wiil be fine

[DiscoBob]

in a straight up trade for Randle El.....sure, but nothing else....

[Veretax]

this is worse than the idea of trading for cutler. At least Cutler had significant stats to make him better than ARE, Parrish does not, and has been injury prone. That's the last thing we need in a WR.

[DCMONEY]

If the Skins brass have done their homework they shouldn't need to trade for a WR. They just drafted 2 last year. They're supposed to be next in line.

[Fifty Gut]

**** no. we can draft our own bum ass Roscoe Parrish to return punts

[CPortJGibbs89]

I would absolutely bring this guy in for punt and kick returns it would be a huge upgrade. The guy is a game breaker.

[Braxford]

Solid player but the Skins have so many other needs....maybe we can sign him and put on a medieval rack and stretch him out to about 6-1 or 6-3??

[KDawg]

**** no. we can draft our own bum ass Roscoe Parrish to return punts

Bum?

Err. Okay.

Just feel like throwing insults out, today?

He's done nothing to prove to be a bum. He's been an electric return man with Buffalo. He's been a decent receiver.

He's not worth trading picks for. But a bum? Come on, now.

[SonOfWashington]

yea we have a guy like this already his name is santana moss... passI wouldn't be comfortable putting our #1 WR as PR. People say that we would use him back there when we need a gamebreaker. If we picked up Parrish, we would always have a gamebreaker back there.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

that's just what the skins need, another Randle El

[Stew]

Amani Toomer or DJ Hackett please.

[KDawg]

that's just what the skins need, another Randle El

What? Another Randel El? I'm not sure I get the comparison.

I'm beginning to wonder how many people have watched Parrish play.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

This thread just proves that no matter what player is available, there's a skins fan out there who thinks he should be on this team AND that he should start a thread about it.

[Fifty Gut]

Bum?

Err. Okay.

Just feel like throwing insults out, today?

He's done nothing to prove to be a bum. He's been an electric return man with Buffalo. He's been a decent receiver.

He's not worth trading picks for. But a bum? Come on, now.

quit being so sensitive. I hate these "let's get this guy" threads. draft. don't sign. don't trade. draft. yes we need to improve at PR, dear God, do we ever, but again, we can find our own Roscoe in the draft

[KDawg]

quit being so sensitive. I hate these "let's get this guy" threads. draft. don't sign. don't trade. draft. yes we need to improve at PR, dear God, do we ever, but again, we can find our own Roscoe in the draft

Sensitive? How was I being sensitive? I wasn't hurt by what you said in the least. I think what you said lacked merit and was completely offbase.

The point that we shouldn't trade for Parrish, however, was valid.

[Touchdown Redskins]

My best friend is a Bills fan, so I wind up watching a ton of Bills games (in addition to the requisite Skins games), and Parrish is a true playmaker. He is the one who always makes a big special teams play or comes through with a game-changing deep catch. He is, in my opinion, more dependable than Lee Evans. He would be an immediate upgrade over ARE at the slot and the KR/PR positions.

[AKM311]

What? Another Randel El? I'm not sure I get the comparison.

I'm beginning to wonder how many people have watched Parrish play.

I watched him in College and a bit in Buff.

I compare him to El in when we signed El back in 2006.

He did not have the speed as Parrish, but he did have quickness and moves that allowed him to be a very good returner and a #3 WR. To me that is what Parrish is today.

I do think he has a bit of Moss in him as a WR, just not the hands or pure ability. But similar style. Personally he is not worth a draft pick or a big contract.

[RedskinPryde]

No,

Dont think its the best move, especially considering how many small recievers we have that have Punt Specialists in their resume. Look at it for sec ppl you could consider small and the talent to do KR/KR...

He wouldnt help, develop Malcolm Kelly and Devin thomas or get some new WR's plz Skins...

[JVSkins n Hokies]

Ill pass on Roscoe, now if Lee was available...

agreed.

Moss is electric when returning punts. we don't need to trade for someone to do that. if Roscoe was a FA, then sign him np, but lets not get pwned again seeking a PR/KR

[Buford]

Dan Snyder syndrome much?

Always wanting players on other teams?

[DGreen1]

Abstract, with all due respect. The reason the Redskins have been mediocre for the past few years is not because they need another short receiver to continue to give the respective QB a tiny passing window; but because they have the oldest / lightest Offensive line in the NFL, along with the most inept pass-rush. One may point out that the defense was ranked 4th in the league in yardage given up. Hey Kudos. But they were one of the worst at forcing the QB into mistakes because once again they have no pressure. Now unless Parrish can mutate into a stout, powerful, agile offensive lineman and play double duty as a QB hounding DE, let's just forget about this. Thanks man! HTTR!

[SKOALSKIN]

Hardly poll worthy. This is yet another project WR and incase you haven't noticed our roster is full of them already. Unless its a play to get a legit threat. There is no reason to bring in more guys with the dreaded P word.

[NoleSkin21]

We have a great return man and we never let him do it. Santana Moss.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

What? Another Randel El? I'm not sure I get the comparison.

I'm beginning to wonder how many people have watched Parrish play.

I'm not an avid Bills fan, but seriously how many sub 6ft WR's do the Skins need? I compared him to El because that's how I view the guy. Small, quick, Slot WR/#3

Why would the skins sign essentially the same mold player?

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

http://www.nfl.com/players/roscoeparrish/careerstats?id=PAR686635

What are you people smoking? The guy is a solid, but not great, punt returner and that is it. Absolutely nothing else. He is a below average receiver, a below average kick-off returner. He is grossly undersized and can't be expected to do anything except return punts. Not worth trading for.

[KDawg]

I'm not an avid Bills fan, but seriously how many sub 6ft WR's do the Skins need? I compared him to El because that's how I view the guy. Small, quick, Slot WR/#3

Why would the skins sign essentially the same mold player?

And as you can see by all of my other posts in this thread, I said trading for him would be a bad move.

I'm arguing with the whole "He's a bum" mentality. It's wrong.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Given our lack of picks and other needs, I wouldn't trade for him unless it was a great deal.

But I guess I'm with KDawg on this one. The guy has led the NFL in Punt Return Average for the last two years (the year before that he was 3rd). And he's missed 3 games total the past 3 years. I really have to wonder about what level of knowledge people have on him to dismiss him as an "injury prone bum".

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Given our lack of picks and other needs, I wouldn't trade for him unless it was a great deal.

But I guess I'm with KDawg on this one. The guy has led the NFL in Punt Return Average for the last two years (the year before that he was 3rd). And he's missed 3 games total the past 3 years. I really have to wonder about what level of knowledge people have on him to dismiss him as an "injury prone bum".


That is just factually wrong. If you use averages, Santana Moss led the league in yards per punt return last year and a few other guys are ahead of Roscoe. If you use total yards, 8 guys are in front of him.

In 2007, a couple of guys had better averages and a couple had more total. More importantly, is that despite his solid averages, he doesn't house punts. Only getting 1 in '07 and 1 in '08.

Keep in mind that it is not just the returner, but the unit. Before coming to DC, ARE was 3rd in return yards and had 2 TDs in '05 and 2nd with 2 TDs in '03.

[Justsomeguy]

If he was an UFA than maybe since he is not....Hell No

[ABSTRACT]

Abstract, with all due respect. The reason the Redskins have been mediocre for the past few years is not because they need another short receiver to continue to give the respective QB a tiny passing window; but because they have the oldest / lightest Offensive line in the NFL, along with the most inept pass-rush. One may point out that the defense was ranked 4th in the league in yardage given up. Hey Kudos. But they were one of the worst at forcing the QB into mistakes because once again they have no pressure. Now unless Parrish can mutate into a stout, powerful, agile offensive lineman and play double duty as a QB hounding DE, let's just forget about this. Thanks man! HTTR!


LOL Ohh Believe me when I say I have been one of the main ES members that have been beating a dead horse when emphasizing our lack of pass rush/pass protections. That is the elephant in the room. We also have other problems because no team is perfect and kick returning is one of our problems without a doubt. El is not the answer...Period. I would be happy with picking up Parrish and letting this be El's last year or possibly just release him now. I would pick Parrish over El ANYDAY!!!

[Haynesworth_Mancrush]

We don't need any more scrubs on our team.

[TLusby]

They are also shopping their Pro-Bowl LT who wants to be the highest paid Tackle in the league...Jason Peters. This guy is a stud and we could move Chris over to RT. WE could then trade down and pick up Mack as our center.

[alwaysaskin]

I would definitely not give up picks for him, while his stats are better than Randle El's especially his average return, I think that we would be better served letting one of the burners we signed this off-season get the opportunity

[wvtbred]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, but I fear he would fail like Jerome Mathis (who I had high hopes for and don't know why he didn't work out). But man, Parrish is electric at PR. For instance, this return he had week 1 of 2008:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a9615c

If Dorsey can pan out, fine. I really hope so. But if not, Parrish might fit as a nice punt returner, and an obvious upgrade over ARE at that position (hell, anyone would).

Shall we statistically compare the two at PR the last three years? Notice the difference in averages last year. Roscoe had 18 less returns, and an average of nearly nine yeards per return.

Roscoe:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q298/dusta619/2nd/parrish.jpg

Randle El:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q298/dusta619/2nd/randleel.jpg

Who cares if he's short? He produces (see: Sproles). If he gets cut, I say bring him in, give him a shot.

Very nicely done and if he gets cut then yes try to get him on the cheap but I wouldn't pay huge money for him.

[#1njskinsfan]

not a chance

[SirClintonPortis]

Synderratto will likely overpay. Next...

[Arsenic]

you have to be careful, milk will parish quickly..


??

[In Flames]

NO, now if it were lee evans, then yes

[mcarey032]

Just what we need. . . another receiver below 5'9" who has trouble getting separation from the defense.

[Arsenic]

height is way overrated, around these parts.

[SMU Redskin]

No, no, no, a million times no. We already have a vertically-challenged receiving corps

[SonOfWashington]

height is way overrated, around these parts.
Did somebody say Anthony Mix?

[36HAMMER]

i heard a while ago that the browns maybe shopping wr b edwqards for a 2nd and a 5th rounder. if i was going to take wr that would be the one. see if they would take randle el and a 3rder.then you have a guy that can truley amke an empact with two guys behind him who can come on according to their ability and the time they put in and how much they learned.wr it's our greatest need, and yet it is until we get someone opposite moss that make some plays regularly. teams are easily taking away moss and then we are a dink and dunk machine. we need another wr, but we need oline help more.

[Rufus T Firefly]

That is just factually wrong. If you use averages, Santana Moss led the league in yards per punt return last year and a few other guys are ahead of Roscoe. If you use total yards, 8 guys are in front of him.

In 2007, a couple of guys had better averages and a couple had more total. More importantly, is that despite his solid averages, he doesn't house punts. Only getting 1 in '07 and 1 in '08.

Keep in mind that it is not just the returner, but the unit. Before coming to DC, ARE was 3rd in return yards and had 2 TDs in '05 and 2nd with 2 TDs in '03.

It's not wrong. I am going by the leaders in average among people who qualify. The "few other guys who finished ahead of" Parrish all had only single digit number of returns. Among qualifiers Roscoe has been #1 for two straight years.

As for the blocking units, I would tend to agree. But then you yourself brought up how well Moss did returning behind that same unit. If he's able to do so well behind them, one has to wonder why ARE can't. Frankly, from just watching him, he seems like a different returner since he got here.