Without OL this draft, this team is dead

[derekc4]

If we somehow take BPA that aren't OL this team will be miserable (Top 5 bad) for the next two years. But you already knew that. Here are just a couple reasons why:

1) Next year, we save money by cutting Jansen, Rabach,and Randy Thomas. There's no way any of them will even be able to play after this season. (Yes this isn't completely factual, but just intelligent speculation).

2) We're going to lose probably a starting QB and CB (Cornerback, not Colt Brennan) next year which will generally require high picks to replace. Hopefully Brennan can do it, but don't count on it. We'll probably also lose a backup QB in Collins. Smoot wasn't that good last year. Imagine in two years. YIKES.

3) Portis and Betts are probably going to be ineffective by the end of 2010. Betts will be old and Portis will have sky high carries. Solid RBs generally require 2nd round picks or higher.

4) Both of our top LDEs are well over 30. This is their last year almost definitely. Our RDE is approaching 30 as well, when speed rushers get old, they lose all their effectiveness.

5) Possibility of a new head coach. This will accelerate the disbanding of the right side of the O-line (as in they will definitely all be gone if a strong head coach comes in). There's even a chance he'd dump Portis and maybe even Samuels (I really hope Samuels gets back to form)if there's no salary cap next year. He'd want to bring in his own kind of guys, but he likely wouldn't dump low-priced sophomores that we'd draft this year.

6) Less troublesome, but still to keep in mind Fletcher (can Blades do it?) and Griffin are both old and probably have only a few years left.

(I would mention Sellers, but FBs are easy to pick up in the 5-7th round, so no worries)

We could franchise Rogers to stave off a year of needing a QB, but have we ever given the franchise tag?

So needs based on year

2009: OL, OLB, DE
2010: OL, MLB?, QBx2?, CB(X2?), DTx2? (should we keep both Monty and Golston?), Headcoach?, DE, KR/PR?
2011: QB?, MLB, RB(X2?), CB, RDE?, WR (Moss and El might be gone)

Basically, we need to knock out OL this year, while this doesn't guarantee success in the future as our team is so old in A LOT of positions. But we can't keep putting off drafting OL, the future of the franchise depends on it. We all knew this, but we can just hope that Vinny knows this too. If he drafts a RB or a QB this year, we might be ok this year, but we'll be abysmal (below our normal 8-8 lol) the next two years.

[BuryYourDuke]

I mean...yeah. We are always in this situation though my friend.

[CapitalDefense]

Without defensive line the past 10 years we would be dead, and we are. Phillip daniels and Renaldo Wynn will fight for a starting spot thats all you need to know.

[GreenRiggins]

Without defensive line the past 10 years we would be dead, and we are. Phillip daniels and Renaldo Wynn will fight for a starting spot thats all you need to know.

Remember we have the #1 defensive backfield in the league.

Just because other teams build from the front 3 or 4 on doesn't mean its the only way to do it. :logo:

[ABSTRACT]

Beating a dead horse. We will draft one or two offensive linemans this draft and some of our own will improve this offseason through endurance training, weight lifitng, etc.

[SkinsFTW]

Remember we have the #1 defensive backfield in the league.

Just because other teams build from the front 3 or 4 on doesn't mean its the only way to do it. :logo:

Having the best backfield has done wonders for us so far. And look at all those SB winning teams who do it this way as well, hmm, nevermind.

[IbleedBnG83]

I really hope they trade down and snage William Beatty or Eben Britton

[Chief skin]

It is a damn shame We have little faith in ore front office to do the right thing

[mnb123]

I get what you are saying, and of course I want OL, but I think our defense is too good to let us go top 5 in the draft.

It will always keep us in games, so we can squeeze out at least 5-6 wins just based on that.

[Chief skin]

The 2-6 disaster finish last year can be attributed to the fact that our Oline stinks we need help in the trenches desperately

[DGREENHULK]

I'd say evey team would like a brandy new young OLINE and FRESH RB's every year. We have an idiot for a GM lets face it. We may luck up and go deep in the playoffs but so far we only patch things together for 1 YEAR and not long term. Until we start drafting better we are in for it. OL has to be the pick at 13 unless Vinny can trade back and pick up a late 1st and a 2nd.

[SirClintonPortis]

Remember we have the #1 defensive backfield in the league.

Just because other teams build from the front 3 or 4 on doesn't mean its the only way to do it. :logo:

And these very backfielders want the lines improved. They probably know what they're talking about since they actually play the game(unlike you, aka Mike Shanahan the GM Jr.). Checkmate.:evilg:

[KDawg]

3) Portis and Betts are probably going to be ineffective by the end of 2010. Betts will be old and Portis will have sky high carries. Solid RBs generally require 2nd round picks or higher.

Willie Parker - UDFA
Tim Hightower - 5th Round
Darren Sproles - 4th Round
Brian Westbrook - 3rd Round
Michael Turner - 5th Round
Brandon Jacobs - 4th Round
Steve Slaton - 3rd Round
Ryan Grant - UDFA
Derrick Ward - 7th Round
Le Ron McClain - 4th Round
Kevin Smith - 3rd Round
Justin Fargas - 3rd Round
Leon Washington - 4th Round

[Capt Rich Fla]

I happen to think Smoot played lights out last year.

[RedskinInExile]

It is a damn shame We have little faith in ore front office to do the right thing

Well there's a reason for that. Vinny came out only a month or two ago and defended his BPA system, saying that when you draft to fill specific holes, you end up with a bunch of mediocre players you're not happy with. Who wants to bet we draft another mediocre WR we're not happy with at 13?

[SAli457180]

Without defensive line the past 10 years we would be dead, and we are. Phillip daniels and Renaldo Wynn will fight for a starting spot thats all you need to know.

Yeah that's pretty sad. What's even worse why guys like Rob Jackson or Chris Wilson are not even seeing the field on a regular basis. It makes me wonder what the coaches think of these guys to not even put them guys on the field.

[redskin301]

wow what r we going to need in the year 2017 :doh: :doh: :doh:

[Arsenic]

Willie Parker - UDFA
Tim Hightower - 5th Round
Darren Sproles - 4th Round
Brian Westbrook - 3rd Round
Michael Turner - 5th Round
Brandon Jacobs - 4th Round
Steve Slaton - 3rd Round
Ryan Grant - UDFA
Derrick Ward - 7th Round
Le Ron McClain - 4th Round
Kevin Smith - 3rd Round
Justin Fargas - 3rd Round
Leon Washington - 4th Round


Pwned

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

1. That is not factual at all. Rabach and Thomas should both be able to play next year and Heyer may be able to take over at OT. We could sign a FA or draft OL next year and be covered.

2. Considering JC has improved significantly every season he has played for us, I find it amazing the number of people who think JC is a bust and won't make it wiith this team. He will likely have a solid season and get resigned for the long haul. Carlos Rogers may not get resigned, but that would still leave us with two starting caliber CBs, not the strongest #2 in the league, but solid.

3. There is no reason to believe Portis is going to be cashed in at 29 nor that Betts will be done at 31.

4. Both are LDE's are over 30. Andre Carter is getting old. This is a position of need now. We can shore up our defense over the next half decade by drafting DE this year.

5. This is just speculation based upon a negative nancy view of this team. Drafting an OL doesn't keep Zorn here, nor does it mean success for whoever comes after if indeed this plays out. Also, if we use #13 on an OT, it won't be low priced.

6. Fletcher and Griffin are both old. Good thing that Monty and Golston are both young. Blades is still unproven, but all the more reason to address a defensive unit that can be the tone setting unit for this team. Defense wins championships and we may be able to give ourselves a championship defense.

7. Franchising Rogers makes no sense because he isn't so good to be worth that sort of cash. Also he plays CB, not QB.

[Justsomeguy]

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!

[illone]

This is nothing new, dude.

The Skins might be dead even WITH drafting a tackle in 2009. Do you really expect a rookie to swing the tides?

[Haynesworth_Mancrush]

Oh No the SKY IS FALLING!! AHHHHHH!!!! :rolleyes:

Everybody get your panties out of a wad and calm down. Stop worrying about who we are going to sign next year or how we are going to sign them and let our crackpot accounting professionals figure that out like they always do every year.

If/when Curry, Orakpo, and the top 3-4 OTs are taken @ 13, then we take the BPA at the position we need most OR (hopefully) trade back and get more draft picks, if possible.

Simple.

[[S.S.F. | Nero]]

Use Chad "I think I finally got it in week 15" Reinhardt as your gauge.

Buges is on record as saying something to that effect, so they could be banking on the premise that CR is going to actively contribute solid minutes, along with DDock, they may be feeling solid enough on OL to go LB or DE, possibly even RB in round 1 (if no trade down).

Time will tell....:dallasuck

[MrJL]

[quote=derekc4;6307172]
2) We're going to lose probably a starting QB and CB (Cornerback, not Colt Brennan) next year which will generally require high picks to replace. Hopefully Brennan can do it, but don't count on it. We'll probably also lose a backup QB in Collins. Smoot wasn't that good last year. Imagine in two years. YIKES.

3) Portis and Betts are probably going to be ineffective by the end of 2010. Betts will be old and Portis will have sky high carries. Solid RBs generally require 2nd round picks or higher.

6) Less troublesome, but still to keep in mind Fletcher (can Blades do it?) and Griffin are both old and probably have only a few years left.

We could franchise Rogers to stave off a year of needing a QB, but have we ever given the franchise tag?

[quote]


The rules of free agency are different in a non-capped year. Next year Rogers and Campbell are both going to be RESTRICTED free agents next year. Alexander can take Griffins spot in the DT rotation. RBs can be gotten antwhere. And Blades can replace Fletcher

[Taylor 36]

The rules of free agency are different in a non-capped year. Next year Rogers and Campbell are both going to be RESTRICTED free agents next year. Alexander can take Griffins spot in the DT rotation. RBs can be gotten antwhere. And Blades can replace Fletcher

What have you seen in Blades that makes you believe that he can step up and be the next LF? I'm not trying to be an ass; I really want to know.

I think Blades has made strides, but LF is the heart and soul of our D. Asking even an experienced vet to take that role as well as play the way LF has for us (best and most consistant player on our defense) is a serious challenge.

[derekc4]

Willie Parker - UDFA
Tim Hightower - 5th Round
Darren Sproles - 4th Round
Brian Westbrook - 3rd Round
Michael Turner - 5th Round
Brandon Jacobs - 4th Round
Steve Slaton - 3rd Round
Ryan Grant - UDFA
Derrick Ward - 7th Round
Le Ron McClain - 4th Round
Kevin Smith - 3rd Round
Justin Fargas - 3rd Round
Leon Washington - 4th Round

Ok yyou just listed like 4 starters, and a bunch of people who are either backups or aren't very good. Good job. Westbrook and Parker (maybe Turner) are the only surefire good backs there. The rest are either tandem backs or too young to tell. Thanks for disregarding the post to try and feel superior. I hope it worked for you. Are you still mad because you don't know grammar?

Let's just name a couple 1st and 2nd rounders who are much better than almost anyone on your list:

Peterson
Tomlinson
Ronnie Brown
Matt Forte
Jackson
Portis
Cadillac Williams
Addai
Maroney
Stewart
Deangelo

are or were all nasty and 1st or 2nd rounder, these are just off the top of my head. All of them are better than everyone on your list but two to three people.

[MrJL]

What have you seen in Blades that makes you believe that he can step up and be the next LF? I'm not trying to be an ass; I really want to know.

I think Blades has made strides, but LF is the heart and soul of our D. Asking even an experienced vet to take that role as well as play the way LF has for us (best and most consistant player on our defense) is a serious challenge.

I think he's played at a solid level. He's not being asked to replace Fletcher now, but that fact is before he was the heart and soul of the D someone else was, and before that guy someone else was.

[MrJL]

Ok yyou just listed like 4 starters, and a bunch of people who are either backups or aren't very good. Good job. Westbrook and Parker (maybe Turner) are the only surefire good backs there. The rest are either tandem backs or too young to tell. Thanks for disregarding the post to try and feel superior. I hope it worked for you. Are you still mad because you don't know grammar?

Let's just name a couple 1st and 2nd rounders who are much better than almost anyone on your list:

Peterson
Tomlinson
Ronnie Brown
Matt Forte
Jackson
Portis
Cadillac Williams
Addai
Maroney
Stewart
Deangelo

are or were all nasty and 1st or 2nd rounder, these are just off the top of my head. All of them are better than everyone on your list but two to three people.

Williams is still kind of iffy and Sproles came damn close to replacing Tomlinson this ofseason

[edskins]

wow what r we going to need in the year 2017 :doh: :doh: :doh: If we still have Vinny, we will need the same things we need this year. I really think we need to get a pass rusher, We have not had a pass rush in forever. We had the leading rusher in the NFL for the first half of the season last year with this same O line, we can wait and get a O-line man in the 3rd and with our 1st rd pic next year. But after paying big Al 100K we have to give him some sort of talent on the ends, I think that turns a #4 D. into a #1 D and we will get more interceptions and TD's on defence. Lets face it this team wants to win now and a good pass rusher will help us do that, I just dont have faith in our offence to win us a game at this point.

[MrJL]

If we still have Vinny, we will need the same things we need this year. I really think we need to get a pass rusher, We have not had a pass rush in forever. We had the leading rusher in the NFL for the first half of the season last year with this same O line, we can wait and get a O-line man in the 3rd and with our 1st rd pic next year. But after paying big Al 100K we have to give him some sort of talent on the ends, I think that turns a #4 D. into a #1 D and we will get more interceptions and TD's on defence. Lets face it this team wants to win now and a good pass rusher will help us do that, I just dont have faith in our offence to win us a game at this point.

the problem is the D isn't designed for pass rush. Blache thinks sacks are a nice bonus. Not an important part of the game.

[jflow78]

Westbrook and Parker (maybe Turner) are the only surefire good backs there. The rest are either tandem backs or too young to tell.

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Cadillac Williams
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I agree with you for the most part, except for Turner being a "maybe". The guy ran for over 900 yards in the last 8 games of last season and almost 1700 total. I don't think Williams is a starter. I would say Sproles is better than he is.

I hope the team trades out of 13, though I wouldn't be unhappy with one of several guys at that spot. I just hope we trade out of the spot and try to fill a few spots.

If we don't pick OL at 13 I don't think it spells doom for our team. If we take someone like Maybin or Maualuga at 13, I would bet that the FO is willing to trade a pick from next season for a 2nd rounder or something along those lines.

Do I think that's the wrong thing to do? I would normally say no, but I think if we don't take an OL at 13 and we don't trade our 13 for more picks, we should probably do something to get another early pick (a 2nd), as long as we aren't making a really bad trade, which seems to be the norm.

So I would, trade 13, get a late first & early second, or two seconds and a fifth or sixth or something, and clean up the rest of the projected first rounders in the early - mid second for OT (Loadholt, or the kid from UCONN) and either OG (Herman Johnson the giant from LSU) or DE, or OLB.

I'd be happy with someone like Michael Johnson there (2nd 2nd rounder), where if he were our 1st rounder, I'd probably break my remote.

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Ok yyou just listed like 4 starters, and a bunch of people who are either backups or aren't very good. Good job. Westbrook and Parker (maybe Turner) are the only surefire good backs there. The rest are either tandem backs or too young to tell. Thanks for disregarding the post to try and feel superior. I hope it worked for you. Are you still mad because you don't know grammar?

Let's just name a couple 1st and 2nd rounders who are much better than almost anyone on your list:

Peterson
Tomlinson
Ronnie Brown
Matt Forte
Jackson
Portis
Cadillac Williams
Addai
Maroney
Stewart
Deangelo

are or were all nasty and 1st or 2nd rounder, these are just off the top of my head. All of them are better than everyone on your list but two to three people.

Only one guy on your list there ran for more yards than Turner last year. Only one guy ran for more TDs than Turner last year.

[wildbill1952]

The Cutler fiasco showed everyone that the strings are pulled by one person alone - Dan Snyder. Dan only wants to pick stars that make big splashes. This team is his fantasy team and picking "stars" is all he knows how to do. He might spend a third round pick now and then on OL (Rinehart, Dockery), or fifth and sixth round picks on DL (Golston, Montgomery) but if he has a first round pick, guaranteed it's not going to be spent on OL or DL. It's the way it is. He's not the first leader to miss the big picture while being mired in minutiae.

I hope I'm wrong and we get OL or DL, but the track record says no.

I would love to see one or two OL drafted with our #13 and our 3rd round pick. But I'm afraid it's not a big enough splash. The extremly poor showing of the OL in the second half makes OL harder to ignore in the draft, but I fully expect Dan/Vinny to pick anybody but OL or DL and excuse it by saying they picked BPA.

All some us can do is hope we outlive the guy until a new owner puts the football people in charge.

[KDawg]

Ok yyou just listed like 4 starters, and a bunch of people who are either backups or aren't very good. Good job.

Four starters?

Willie Parker - UDFA
Tim Hightower - 5th Round
Brian Westbrook - 3rd Round
Michael Turner - 5th Round
Brandon Jacobs - 4th Round
Steve Slaton - 3rd Round
Ryan Grant - UDFA
Kevin Smith - 3rd Round
Justin Fargas - 3rd Round

Those are all starters. 9 backs, almost a third of all NFL runningbacks.


Thanks for disregarding the post to try and feel superior. I hope it worked for you. Are you still mad because you don't know grammar?


First. I have no idea what you're talking about. Second, I wasn't trying to feel superior. I was telling you that you were indeed wrong and just over exaggerating a point so that people won't think you're clueless.

I proved you wrong and now you're defensive about it. Sorry.

And if you're going to be an ass about grammar (which I don't know what you're talking about, but obviously I must have struck a nerve somewhere with you), I don't know this Grammar person you speak of. I do, however, know proper grammar.

[Snagletooth]

I would feel much more comfortable with an OL at #13. But a RT can be found in the 3rd.

Defensively I like Smoot, and the secondary for a couple years. Finding an eventual replacement for Fletcher, who can play at a high level might be a bigger concern to me defensively, even more so than LDE. Since I'm ok with a run stuffer on that side, and those can be found more easily. Defensively it all seems to hing on AH now. If he packs it in we are in trouble.

[abdcskins]

I am indifferent whether we take an OL or DE. All I know is that it better be one of the two. The past few years I have been preaching to draft a DE. Last year I thought it was a definite, and well, look what happened(still a crappy draft imo). I still believe it is a critical need. But if Andre Smith or Michael Oher are available, I wouldn't be opposed to drafting either of them at #13 considering the lack of pass protection for JC last year.

[ExoDus84]

Any lineman we take most likely isnt going to come in and be a day 1 starter. I believe andre smith could be a starter on day 1 at RT, but if we end up getting Oher, I really believe he would be a project and not contribute immediately. If the top 4 OT are off the board, I really wouldnt mind grabbing the best LB/DE avaialble (cushing, maualuga, etc), and then using our 3rd, or maybe do something to move up into the 2nd and grab alex mack at center. Mack would be a significant upgrade over rabach, we'd get younger on the both lines, and we'd have to make due with our RT position for this year and address it in the 1st round of next year. I think if heyer steps up, he can be a decent fill in.

[Dr. Terrapin]

Agreed....Staying true to my message for the last 4 months:

[ibarramedia]

I think we need a guard and a center.

[The_Godfather]

How about trading down and drafting Alex Mack, Phil Loadholt and Duke Robinson?

[rumplestilskin]

Chicken Little is that you? Please dont tell us the sky is falling. You make it sound like we are the only team with roster dilemas. Hah Hah

[planter]

Yeah, we'll probably draft OL first.

By outside LB, I'm guessing you mean strong side LB. Skins might use first draft pick on a Sam LB. They need a LB that can stop the run and rush the passer (like a healthy Marcus Washington)

With such a LB, Skins wouldn't need much pass rush from Daniels who plays the run much better than Jason Taylor did. While staying in his gap, Daniels still gets modest penetration and deflects many passes.