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Boy1Der
April-30th-2009, 01:55 PM
In the first round the Eagles and Giants both drafted new big WR's in Jeremy Maclin and Hakeem Nicks. They both have some decent speed and we will definitely have to seem them each two times a year for who knows how long.

I think the Skins FO may have actually used some foresight and went into the second day knowing that we need another big corner to keep up with these two. I look forward to seeing Barnes covering them and having one of those Jon Jansen and Michael Strahan battles that use to go on.

Mickalino
April-30th-2009, 02:01 PM
But their fragile QB will be too busy running from Orakpo, and stumbling on his bad knees, and throwing trademark passes into the ground, that Maclin/Barnes will never have a chance at a battle

Oldskool
April-30th-2009, 02:06 PM
I don't think so. Maclin is raw and doesn't have much experience running pro-set routes. Nicks is big but the knock on him is that he is slow. Both these guys will take time to develop.

This move was more to hedge our bets against Smoot getting injured or Rogers leaving via FA next year.

fnkdctr(007)
April-30th-2009, 02:25 PM
The man lays the wood if you know wht I mean. U-TUBE DUDE
He looks like he can play.

Mad Mike
April-30th-2009, 02:33 PM
I think CB was already a position of need that we the fans kind of forgot about but the FO didn't. That being said, I don't doubt that watching the Eagles and giants draft WRs helped push the pick even more.

illone
April-30th-2009, 02:34 PM
Not every move the FO makes is to off-set what some other team does:doh:.

Sometimes you just look at your roster and follow your draft board. Zorn mentioned this kid was the top player on their board at that selection. I guess you can give them "credit" for having foresight, but the way you describe it sounds more like they panicked and drafted a CB right after the Gmen and Eagles drafted a WR.

Plus, don't most WR take a few years to develop? DJax is the exception, not the rule.

Stadium-Armory
April-30th-2009, 02:35 PM
I think its more about Carlos Rodgers' impending free agency.

Dirk McGirk
April-30th-2009, 03:40 PM
Can never have too many good corner (i hope Barnes is good) I worry about his slow fourty time, and confused that I have heard him scouted as being speedy. I dunno.

The Full Monty
April-30th-2009, 03:41 PM
Don't the Giants still have Manningham? I don't know how well he did last year in limited time but he may have a strong 2nd season. Kind of why I didn't understand why they took two receivers fairly high instead of just one.

SkinsTerps26
April-30th-2009, 03:43 PM
i think its more about carlos rodgers' impending free agency.

Rogers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!

J-bomb
April-30th-2009, 03:44 PM
It was more about tackling the bigger backs not WR's!

Skins-Canes-Mounties
April-30th-2009, 03:47 PM
We drafted him to end the run on skinny little chumps that just can't play. I like players that have the ability to punish other teams' players. I'm not a Terps fan, but based on the famous youtube highlights, Barnes may need to bulk up, but he fits that mold.

81tothehall
April-30th-2009, 03:48 PM
I like the point about making the tackles, because although Smoot will put his nose in the middle of things he often times has to sit down afterwards. This kid is not my favorite pick at that spot but he isn't the worst either. Hope he works out and becomes a big part of out defense. Welcome aboard.

Skins-Canes-Mounties
April-30th-2009, 03:53 PM
The kid has a huge Wonderlic ... I luv him!

I'm with you on that!

DCDiesel44
April-30th-2009, 03:57 PM
At first I was kind of disappointed when we made the decision to get him but now that I look back on it this isn't a bad pick after all with injury-prone Smoot and the thought of Rogers leaving due to free agency (hope to God not). I still think they should have taken an offensive lineman or an OLB but with all the guys we have competing at linebacker I'm sure things won't be as bad as some think. As for Barnes, he reminds me of Malcom Jenkins as far as size and speed, which isn't a bad thing at all.

mojo
April-30th-2009, 03:58 PM
I think you're giving the Snyder-Cerrato combo too much credit. They probably picked him because he's the same astrological sign or maybe they watched the You-tube clip as well and decided to pick him while giving each other high fives.

AKM311
April-30th-2009, 04:22 PM
I thought they picked him because he was the best player on there board at the time?

LoudMouth12thMan
April-30th-2009, 04:26 PM
Possibly for the future, but Carlos covers big/tall receivers really well, historically, so they'll use him for that assignment. When Springs was hurt, Carlos got the nod on the tall guys. D-Hall will cover the speedy guys I would guess.

Braxford
April-30th-2009, 04:29 PM
I like the Barnes pickup, still I would have liked an OLineman. However Smoot is injured a lot and if Carlos leaves via FA ( I hope not) Barnes will probably end up a starter.

booballen
April-30th-2009, 04:33 PM
They made this pick because smoot gets beat deep by the armani toomers of the league. The man could be starting by mid-season regardless if smoot is injured or not.

REDALERT
April-30th-2009, 04:35 PM
In the first round the Eagles and Giants both drafted new big WR's in Jeremy Maclin and Hakeem Nicks. They both have some decent speed and we will definitely have to seem them each two times a year for who knows how long.

I think the Skins FO may have actually used some foresight and went into the second day knowing that we need another big corner to keep up with these two. I look forward to seeing Barnes covering them and having one of those Jon Jansen and Michael Strahan battles that use to go on.

Actuall I was thinking the same thing during the draft and it only makes since. This is why I wasn't upset on getting another corner, especially with not being to thrilled with our backups. Besides, we need someone that can lay the boom to a receiver coming across the middle.



Also, along with Barnes hitting ability, Gray loved how good Barnes hands were and this is another Cornerback we needed that can catch balls.

dswerdlw
April-30th-2009, 04:35 PM
If Smoot, Rogers, or Hall were hurt, then Tryon would be on the field. Tryon. That said, I love the Barnes pick.

DiscoBob
April-30th-2009, 04:56 PM
I gaurantee that they didn't alter their board based on what the Eagles and Giants did on day #1....they picked the highest rated player they had, it just happened to be a corner.

Shore-skin
April-30th-2009, 05:47 PM
Can never have too many good corner (i hope Barnes is good) I worry about his slow fourty time, and confused that I have heard him scouted as being speedy. I dunno.

he was 6 1/100ths of a second slower than the fastest CB at the combine. And something that some realize but many don't is that you can be very fast, but not run a 40 yard dash very well...football speed vs. manufactured/track speed. He's not tops in the NFL fast, but from all accounts, speed is one of his strenghts.

Brandon Lloyd Christmas
April-30th-2009, 05:50 PM
barnes was most likely drafted to take over for rogers when he leaves next year, which he almost 100% will. hopefully he figures out and can be a #2 corner next to hall for a few years.

redskins2473
April-30th-2009, 05:52 PM
I'm curious about his playing speed as well. Comments on Redskins.com indicate he was one of the few players in the league able to run with Heyward Bey who is acknowledged to be extremely fast. At least we know he won't have an issue mastering the playbook with that Wonderlic score.

IbleedBnG83
April-30th-2009, 05:55 PM
And I think this is a terrible perceived notion. The front office went with the best available player. Barnes was rated as high as a second, but his shoulder injury left some concerned. Being able to pick him up in the third where he won't need to play right away which will allow him to adjust and fully heal if needed, was a great and value move. Smoot is getting older and who knows where Rogers will be. Tryon doesn't seem to be any value at this point, so corner was going to be a pressing need by as soon as next year.

Why would the FO put that much stock into a couple of rookie WRs?

redskins2473
April-30th-2009, 06:00 PM
And I think this is a terrible perceived notion. The front office went with the best available player. Barnes was rated as high as a second, but his shoulder injury left some concerned. Being able to pick him up in the third where he won't need to play right away which will allow him to adjust and fully heal if needed, was a great and value move. Smoot is getting older and who knows where Rogers will be. Tryon doesn't seem to be any value at this point, so corner was going to be a pressing need by as soon as next year.

Why would the FO put that much stock into a couple of rookie WRs?

Well, they do have Jackson who is another burner but I think your right in that they went BPA. Kills me when folks bash the FO when they've actually done ok with the limited draft picks that they have.

redman
April-30th-2009, 06:25 PM
Barnes wasn't drafted because of any team or teams, he was drafted because he represented excellent value at a position where depth is key due to how many teams are running offenses with 3 and 4 and even 5 WR's lined up.

I like the Barnes pick a lot, and in particular it was an excellent pick in a draft that was pretty thin on talent after the 2nd round or so.

usapatriot
April-30th-2009, 06:49 PM
I don't think Barnes was selected because of what other teams did. That being said I wasn't wild about it. We let Springs go so I thought we were pretty well set at CB. And if we did need a CB what about the CB from Philly who wants out. I'm not sure if he's already gone but I would have rather gotten an OL instead. Hopefully Rogers stays and Barnes turns out though.

corrupt3d
April-30th-2009, 06:50 PM
I can tell you all Kevin was rather bummed to not have gone in the second round (at least Saturday night). Lots of teams said he was a second round pick, but I guess the way the draft shook up, there were prospects falling above him.


Still, he's really stoked to be here with us.

jrfriedm
April-30th-2009, 06:54 PM
I think its more about Carlos Rodgers' impending free agency.

:ciao: Carlos "No D" Rogers

Annonymous Source
April-30th-2009, 07:07 PM
this year the skins went after the most athletic players that they could find regardless of experience level. Barnes is going to take time to develop in an NFL defense, and all of our other 2nd day picks are going to make the team with special teams and end up providing quality depth.

I personally am glad that the skins drafted people with upside instead of polished players who could not advance their game any further, it shows that they have a comittment to the future of the team.

skinsfan93
April-30th-2009, 09:38 PM
Barnes was a great pick IMHO. Rogers and Hall are solid but as much as I like Smoot, he has always been injury prone and is older.

At this point, I think the skins certainly aren't high on Tryon. Typically corners don't have as much of an adjustment to the pro game as other positions. There have been numerous corners who made an immediate impact early in their career. Hell, Deangelo is an example.

Plus like others have said, it certainly helps provide insurance when Carlos isn't here next year.

PROSCOUT
April-30th-2009, 10:23 PM
Barnes was a great pick IMHO. Rogers and Hall are solid but as much as I like Smoot, he has always been injury prone and is older.

At this point, I think the skins certainly aren't high on Tryon. Typically corners don't have as much of an adjustment to the pro game as other positions. There have been numerous corners who made an immediate impact early in their career. Hell, Deangelo is an example.

Plus like others have said, it certainly helps provide insurance when Carlos isn't here next year.

We are getting to the point where we should be looking for a veteran free agent who gets cut after June 1. Someone who can play while our rookie takes a year to play special teams and learns the defensive system.

Bang
April-30th-2009, 10:45 PM
Not a bad thought by the OP. It's entirely possible.
Besides, you can never be too deep at cornerback.

~Bang

Peregrine
April-30th-2009, 11:29 PM
No he wasn't...

Why would you pick a rookie CB based on a couple of rookie WR's drafted by only two teams? That would be a ridiculously stupid thing for any FO to do. If you argue that it was a "need" so thats why they took him, well then why didn't they take the need of offensive line to combat the great defensive lines the Eagles and GMen have? No matter which way you cut it, it doesnt add up.