View Full Version : Poll - With a crowded backfield, which RB would you let walk?
santana_4_prez
May-1st-2009, 11:20 AM
There seems to be a lot of talk today about getting rid of Rock or Ladell.
Ignoring salary cap implications for a minute; if you had it your way, which RB (Ladell, CP, Rock) do you think we should cut ties with to give room for a cheap, change of pace back such as Aldridge, Mason, or Dorsey?
IbleedBnG83
May-1st-2009, 11:22 AM
Poll please...no homo!
I would say peace out Betts!
Old Bay
May-1st-2009, 11:22 AM
It's gotta be Betts. He's a 'poor man's' CP, IMO. He seems to have lost a step since he got his contract, which is a shame.
IbleedBnG83
May-1st-2009, 11:22 AM
Putting CP up there is almost pointless because of the cap ramifications....
terrifNick21
May-1st-2009, 11:23 AM
How's it just now a crowded backfield? It's been the same for years now. lol. But I'd have to say by Betts.
KevinthePRF
May-1st-2009, 11:23 AM
Rock, he's primarily just a kick returner. Not a RB I would be comfortable giving a significant amount of carries to, especially this late in his career.
Betts is older as well but none of the replacements justify letting Betts go this year.
Why is Portis even on the list?
santana_4_prez
May-1st-2009, 11:24 AM
It's gotta be Betts. He's a 'poor man's' CP, IMO. He seems to have lost a step since he got his contract, which is a shame.
My thoughts as well.
santana_4_prez
May-1st-2009, 11:25 AM
How's it just now a crowded backfield? It's been the same for years now. lol. But I'd have to say by Betts.
I think its crowded now, because this is the first time the Redskins have looked into getting a change of pace back...in the past, they've seemed content with the 3 in the poll.
Oldskool
May-1st-2009, 11:26 AM
Where's the Mason option? The kid is worthless.
Stew
May-1st-2009, 11:27 AM
Betts only saving grace is that he can catch out of the backfield. Rock ALWAYS gives us awesome field position. Betts is the odd man out on my roster. Let some other team get excited about him, give him another opportunity somewhere else to get a starting job.
santana_4_prez
May-1st-2009, 11:28 AM
Where's the Mason option? The kid is worthless.
I don't consider him to really be on the team right now...he will never be active unless we get rid of at least one of the three on the poll, or there are some injuries.
Stew
May-1st-2009, 11:28 AM
How's it just now a crowded backfield? It's been the same for years now. lol. But I'd have to say by Betts.
CP Betts and Rock and Sellers
Then we added Aldridge and Dorsey and Mason. Now people want Selvin Young.
Its crowded house back here right now
Thinking Skins
May-1st-2009, 11:29 AM
Betts is a good pass catcher, but if our 6th rounder is any good, I'd get rid of Betts and keep Rock for his ST contributions.
CPAllTheWay012
May-1st-2009, 11:30 AM
Hard choice, but I'd take Rock Cartwright over Betts simply because he's a little bit more explosive, and IMO he appears to be a huge team player.
ChiefPowhatan17
May-1st-2009, 11:30 AM
This is a no brainer. Betts should be gone. Rock is too important on teams and kick off returns to let go. They should trade the Dolphins Betts for a 2nd rounder. I wish.
Betts is guaranteed to get you 1 yard when you need 2.
RenegadeTK
May-1st-2009, 11:31 AM
hate to say it but ive gotta go with Rock. he's been a soldier here.... but i dont believe he will ever be more than he is. i want someone w/ more potential.
Oldskool
May-1st-2009, 11:32 AM
This is a no brainer. Betts should be gone. Rock is too important on teams and kick off returns to let go. They should trade the Dolphins Betts for a 2nd rounder. I wish.
Betts is guaranteed to get you 1 yard when you need 2.
Betts is our only power back on the roster and is here on the cheap.
12/8/2006: Signed a five-year, $11 million contract extension through 2013. The deal included a $3.5 million signing bonus and a $2 million roster bonus in the third year. 2009: $900,000, 2010: $1.65 million, 2011-2013: $1.4 million, 2014: Free Agent
So getting rid of him is not the best idea.
Rock will not be listed as a RB on the official depth chart, but as a KR/PR guy. We need to keep Portis, Betts and Aldridge.
The rest are cannon fodder.
Grimm
May-1st-2009, 11:33 AM
I think Rocks time here is up, Zorn showed no faith in him as a back and signed the washed up Shaun Alexander instead of giving Rock some carries. The fact that Rock doesn't return punts but only kickoffs hurts his chances as well. Sorry to say but I would be shocked to see him on the opening day roster.
Thinking Skins
May-1st-2009, 11:45 AM
Betts is our only power back on the roster and is here on the cheap.
I wouldn't consider Betts a power back.
So getting rid of him is not the best idea.
"ignoring cap ramifications"
Rock will not be listed as a RB on the official depth chart, but as a KR/PR guy. We need to keep Portis, Betts and Aldridge.
The rest are cannon fodder.
Add to what I said earlier that I'd keep Rock as the number 2 guy over Betts because I think Rock's a better blocker too. A core of Portis, Rock, Aldridge would be pretty nice to me.
SkinsBry
May-1st-2009, 11:46 AM
Betts has lost a step, but I think someone can step up and replace Rock on ST.
Blondie
May-1st-2009, 11:50 AM
I think Rocks time here is up, Zorn showed no faith in him as a back and signed the washed up Shaun Alexander instead of giving Rock some carries. The fact that Rock doesn't return punts but only kickoffs hurts his chances as well. Sorry to say but I would be shocked to see him on the opening day roster.
Shaun was his boy in Seattle.
Do you think THAT might have had anything to do with Sean coming here. No one else wanted him, and Zorn brought him in as a gesture? I would imagine Zorn's phone was ringing off the wall about Sean
Oldskool
May-1st-2009, 11:51 AM
I wouldn't consider Betts a power back.
Not sure how you couldn't. He's a between the tackle, straight ahead runner. At 223lbs, that makes him a power back.
"ignoring cap ramifications"
Betts contract is very cap friendly. Again, no reason to cut a productive backup who is here on the cheap.
Add to what I said earlier that I'd keep Rock as the number 2 guy over Betts because I think Rock's a better blocker too. A core of Portis, Rock, Aldridge would be pretty nice to me.
Rock can't run between the tackles like Betts can, nor does he have Aldridge's speed anymore. At this point in his career, he's a ST guy.
morpheusmeyers
May-1st-2009, 12:02 PM
If Dorsey performs well in camp as a kick returner I think that could spell the end of Rock's time here. ST coverage alone won't be enough to guarantee Rock a roster spot.
I don't think Betts spot is 100% guaranteed either, though.
wysknz1
May-1st-2009, 12:05 PM
If the Skins can replace Betts, he can go. Too many crucial fumbles...but that may be selective memory.
That Redskins Fan
May-1st-2009, 12:07 PM
I would have to choose rock
outside of his kick return abilty(which is not that great compared to a devin hester or joshua cribbs) and the leader of the special teams..he brings nothing else to the table peace out
InsaneBoost
May-1st-2009, 12:34 PM
Betts without question.
I hate seeing that guy behind the line, he's better as a WR type RB.
2006 he was a beast, then sucked, don't understand it still.
DCMONEY
May-1st-2009, 12:37 PM
Rock works hard. He's a good special teamer but He's simply not a starter. If the SKins had injuries and were forced to put him in, I wouldn't feel comfortable at all.
Hunter_R
May-1st-2009, 12:38 PM
It's gotta be Betts. He's a 'poor man's' CP, IMO. He seems to have lost a step since he got his contract, which is a shame.
I'd rather have a poor man's CP than Rock.
flexxskins
May-1st-2009, 12:40 PM
Does'nt Betts have some trade value?
SkinsTerps26
May-1st-2009, 12:47 PM
i see ladell's #1 fan voted
Hunter_R
May-1st-2009, 12:50 PM
Does'nt Betts have some trade value?
Go back 3 years and the answer is yes.
PROSCOUT
May-1st-2009, 12:59 PM
This is a no brainer. Betts should be gone. Rock is too important on teams and kick off returns to let go. They should trade the Dolphins Betts for a 2nd rounder. I wish.
Betts is guaranteed to get you 1 yard when you need 2.
Betts is the backup. He can catch 3rd down passes, get you 4 or 5 yards if the blocking is good, but he cannot block at all.
He is a fill in for a play or 2 but so is Rock Cartwright. And both of them have returned kickoffs.
If we get a kickoff return guy, then one of them is expendable. Probably Rock because of his size.
addicted
May-1st-2009, 01:02 PM
Betts
Rock brings much more to the success of the team with his excellent Special Teams play then Betts does. His Kickoff returns are in the leagues elite and under appreciated around here. Betts on the other hand does things that hurt the offense and doesn't produce enough to be relied on if Portis goes down
addicted
May-1st-2009, 01:03 PM
Does'nt Betts have some trade value?
Not anymore
Hunter_R
May-1st-2009, 01:07 PM
Betts on the other hand does things that hurt the offense and doesn't produce enough to be relied on if Portis goes down
I must have been asleep 3 years ago when Portis did go down, and Betts did produce.
Coach Williams
May-1st-2009, 06:52 PM
none of those 3 are going anywhere ppl....
this is a waaste of time....
portis is our starter and the cap hit would kill us
betts just signed a contract ( basically for life )
and rock is our KR, everyyear we go through this crap....
no one is gonna beat them out so who cares anymore
MrJL
May-1st-2009, 07:25 PM
I like Cartwright and wish he'd get more carries
Outlaw Torn
May-1st-2009, 10:29 PM
Ive never really liked Betts so i gotta go with him
STBonecrusher21
May-1st-2009, 10:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we let both Ladell and Rock go.
We need a youth movement, and with CP still putting up solid numbers, he's still the guy for a couple more years.
CM916
May-1st-2009, 10:44 PM
I'd want to trade Ladell even though I've been a big fan of his since he got here. Maybe it was the overblown expectations after his 1,000 yard season but it just seems like his production has been down and he isn't getting any younger.
Portis also may have lost a step under the constant beatings we've forced upon him but he is still a bruiser and one of the best blocking RBs around, I'd wait another year or two before I started looking for a legit replacement contender.
As for Rock, I think he is perhaps the greatest 7th rounder in recent memory pending the outcome of Horton's career. He is a survivor, he is a big locker room presence, and he has become one of the better more consistent kick returners out there ever since he was demoted to like five carries a year at RB, the position he really wants to play. He looks like he is ready to fight every time he gets tackled and you have to love that.
I really do love all these guys as much as Gibbs must have but none of them are very young anymore as RBs go and we do need to bring in at least one younger guy soon to work his way up.
Arsenic
May-2nd-2009, 01:12 AM
I'd really rather keep all 3, to be honest. Lets add a 4th!
Shouldn't there be more than 3 options?
edit: i think Betts will do great, this year, as a recieving back.
illone
May-2nd-2009, 01:14 AM
I think Rock will be the odd man out this time around.
The Skins need an upgrade at KR, it's been awhile since Rock returned one.
TheREALJBird
May-2nd-2009, 01:19 AM
Rock of course, he's worthless.
hiswadeness
May-2nd-2009, 08:02 AM
I would say Betts. Not because he is a bad RB, but because IIMO he is to good. With LB we can basically ignore the RB position. Without him the FO would be forced to find a backup, which hopefully would be a young guy who could take over for CP at some point.
WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3
May-2nd-2009, 08:40 AM
Rock of course, he's worthless.
That's not true at all.
Out of all KR's that had at least 45 returns last season Rock had the 6th highest average yards gained per return in the NFL.
He provides good special teams play on punt coverage as well.
He has a career 4.4 yards per carry average. Ladell only has a 4.1 yards per carry average over his career.
So, Rock is an impact special teams player and possibly as good of a RB as Ladell, but he's worthless. Ladell doesn't really make a big impact on the game to be honest. He's just a third down back and doesn't contribute hugely in that capacity.
Stew
May-2nd-2009, 08:44 AM
I think Rock will be the odd man out this time around.
The Skins need an upgrade at KR, it's been awhile since Rock returned one.
He may not break them all too often, but our field position is ALWAYS at the 30 or better. Rock is worth his small contract where as Betts has an 11 million dollar contract to be the back up RB. He gets paid millions to keep the seat warm on the bench. He isnt a spectacular runner either. North/South, head down into the pile. No slashing, no juking.
We can find that anywhere and for a lot less then an 11 million dollar contract. betts is getting long in the toothand his only upside is recieving out of the backfield. We can find another back that can catch out of the backfield. Rock is more bang for the buck where as Bets is more buck for the fumble.
Birdlives
May-2nd-2009, 09:05 AM
Keep 'em all. We're going to need extra RB's again this year with the sorry state of our offensive line. Makes me wonder if Orakpo was the right pick after all and Im a fan of the guy. We could have traded down, grabbed Oher and another lineman in the 2nd round and have upgraded 3 spots on our offensive line this year.
J-bomb
May-2nd-2009, 09:05 AM
Im not satisfied with either of them betts fumbles too much in key game situations and rock doesn't have any playmaking ability he just runs and gets tackled! Why all the arguments for mediocrity? If younger guys can come in and do what they do but better I'm all for it, hell if they can do the same I'm all for that to because they will be cheaper and we will have them on the roster for years to come!
Phat Hog
May-2nd-2009, 09:16 AM
We don't have a crowded backfield. CP, Betts and Rock as needed.
ArmchairRedskin
May-2nd-2009, 09:18 AM
I'd get rid of Betts. Pretty good runner, but can't break a long or find the endzone to save his life. Not to mention his knack for fumbling at the wrong time. Plus, he's provide the most value if you trade him between him and Rock. CP is the man. He's not an option to get rid of.
Brucko
May-2nd-2009, 09:27 AM
Betts would be my choice to go, it would be nice to try andtrade him for some kind of draft pick so we could have more picks next year.
Passizle
May-2nd-2009, 10:52 AM
Betts only saving grace is that he can catch out of the backfield. Rock ALWAYS gives us awesome field position. Betts is the odd man out on my roster. Let some other team get excited about him, give him another opportunity somewhere else to get a starting job.
Whch has always made me wonder why he does not do punt returns as well.
There should be a "none of them" option inthere as well. CP is great. Betts is good for short yardage and can catch. Rock is the return guy...
If I "had" to make a choice though, it would be Rock.
BigMike619
May-2nd-2009, 10:54 AM
when was the last time Rock ran one back?
That Redskins Fan
May-2nd-2009, 11:08 AM
when was the last time Rock ran one back?
the dallas game in 06 i think
addicted
May-2nd-2009, 11:31 AM
I must have been asleep 3 years ago when Portis did go down, and Betts did produce.
3 years ago was 3 years ago...seriously. The teams been holding on to a few players way too long because of things they did years ago but can't do anymore like Betts and Jansen. How about instead of lying to ourselves and thinking what happened 3 years ago means anything why not just admit that time passed these men by and replace them. Doing that is in the best interest of the team or we could just take your advice and say since they did something years ago that must mean they can do it again this year :doh:
Riggo-toni
May-2nd-2009, 11:37 AM
Why not cut all three, and let Mason and Nemo split time in the backfield.... :doh:
There's no reason to believe any scrub we've picked up is going to be an upgrade over our current 3, certainly not Mason.
The only realistic choice is None of the Above.
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