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SkinsHokie Fan
June-25th-2003, 12:42 AM
This is an absolute shocker. Only Miami and Virginia Tech got invited to the ACC. Makes no sense at all

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28663-2003Jun24.html?nav=hptop_tb

ACC Invites Miami, Virginia Tech
Big East's Boston College, Syracuse Are Excluded

By Josh Barr
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 25, 2003; Page D01


After 11/2 months of deliberations, discussions and telephone meetings, the Atlantic Coast Conference stunned nearly everyone last night, extending invitations to Virginia Tech and Miami, according to a source close to the situation. Boston College and Syracuse -- Big East schools that had gone through a formal process to receive invitations -- were not included, the source said.

"It's all new," another source said, shocked that a proposal that had never previously been mentioned emerged last night.

The expansion is expected to occur for the 2004-05 season.

Last night's conference call between ACC university presidents was one of the closing chapters in a lengthy saga. It marked a 180-degree reversal for Virginia Tech, which last night had yet to learn of its invitation from the ACC according to a university spokesman, and remains a plaintiff in the lawsuit filed by five Big East schools against the ACC, Miami and Boston College in an attempt to stop expansion.

"If you argue some kind of contiguous ACC, then you're picking up teams within the ACC," said the source close to the situation.

Multiple sources said that ACC university presidents pledged to keep last night's events in confidence so that the four affected Big East schools could be notified.

A news conference at league headquarters in Greensboro, N.C., is expected to be held today.

A spokesman for Syracuse last night said his school had heard nothing from the ACC.

The conference's original expansion plan -- which included Boston College and Syracuse in addition to Miami -- unraveled from nearly a done deal in mid-May to a political football that resulted in a multimillion-dollar lawsuit and public relations battle, with many school administrators facing awkward decisions.

"Obviously we haven't distinguished ourselves in how we've gone about this," Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski said at a news conference yesterday afternoon before last night's events. "That's sad. . . . We have to be sensitive to our brethren in other conferences. This isn't about big business swooping in and getting another company and if that's what it's about, the hidden cost there is the destruction of in essence what intercollegiate sports should be about.

"I hope we mend fences because we've obviously gone into another person's yard with our tractor-trailer and knocked down a few trees."

With Duke and North Carolina solidly opposed to a three-team expansion, the original plan was foiled when Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner and Attorney General Jerry Kilgore used their political influence to force University of Virginia President John Casteen to protect Virginia Tech's interests, sources said.

The ACC then explored other options, according to multiple sources. League attorneys examined the ACC bylaws and constitution to explore the possibility of changing them so that six votes -- and not seven -- could ratify an expansion, sources said. Casteen floated the idea of adding Virginia Tech to the original three proposed members, but that unraveled because of concerns that a 13-team league was not financially attractive.

That left the ACC with two expansion options, replacing Boston College or Syracuse with Virginia Tech in a three-team expansion or adding only Miami.

The only way that a three-team expansion could occur was if Virginia Tech was included so that Casteen could vote for expansion.

Duke and North Carolina officials endorsed the idea of adding only Miami, as did former Big East Commissioner Dave Gavitt and Rutgers Athletic Director Robert Mulcahy, who saw it as a compromise solution.

It is the third time the ACC has expanded. The conference previously added Georgia Tech in 1979 and Florida State in 1992. South Carolina left the league in 1971.

Miami and Virginia Tech have until Monday to notify the Big East that they will leave the conference before the Big East exit fee doubles to $2 million.

The schools are expected to pay a $3 million entry fee to the ACC, though that payment is expected to be spread out over their first few years of membership and deducted from their annual conference payout.

Although NCAA rules require a conference to have 12 members in order to stage a conference championship football game, it is expected that the ACC will attempt to change that so that a conference with 11 members could hold such a game. An ACC championship game, which likely would be held in Jacksonville, Orlando or Charlotte, could be worth $12 million.

"It's a rule; Moses didn't bring it down from the mountain top,"

Krzyzewski said. "It's not etched in stone. Why not attack the rule and say, 'Look, why can't we have a playoff with 10 teams?' " In order to change existing NCAA rules, the ACC could propose legislation that would need to be approved by the Division I Management Council comprised of 49 athletic officials and the Board of Directors, comprised of 18 college presidents and chancellors. An NCAA official said if the legislation is proposed promptly and passed, it is possible that it could be enacted before the 2004 football season.

It remains unclear what is next for the Big East. When it seemed that losing only Miami was the most likely scenario, a league source said that the Big East's top preference to replace Miami was Louisville.

luckydevil
June-25th-2003, 12:45 AM
This makes no sense. My hatred for Duke and UNC only grows. I am sorry I do not want Va Tech

However my opinion could change real quickly if the buzz is true( that being Notre Dame will be the 12th team)

70Chip
June-25th-2003, 12:53 AM
Dude, don't blame Duke and UNC -- it's UVA and Mark Warner that pushed for Virginia Tech. This ugly situation I think probably happened because they just couldn't get the votes for anything else. Miami seemed to be the only school everybody supported, and Tech was the only school UVA could vote for. All there is to it.

jbooma
June-25th-2003, 01:04 AM
This is good, I didnt' want to see Syracuse or BC in the ACC, they don't belong there. Now the ACC can add Notre Dame, and then you have the mother of all football conferences. Watch Bobby take FSU now to the Big East. FSU dominance in the ACC is over now.

SkinsHokie Fan
June-25th-2003, 01:04 AM
And if the rule is changed to 11 teams for a championship game this could work out better. In theory more money and less to split it with rather then a 12 team leauge.

This still stinks though. I wish VT would turn down the offer but you dont want to be the last person on a potentially sinking ship. Still sucks

jbooma
June-25th-2003, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by 70Chip
Dude, don't blame Duke and UNC -- it's UVA and Mark Warner that pushed for Virginia Tech. This ugly situation I think probably happened because they just couldn't get the votes for anything else. Miami seemed to be the only school everybody supported, and Tech was the only school UVA could vote for. All there is to it.

Nope you are wrong, Duke didn't want Syracuse or BC in it since they have a very good friendship in basketball. Mike K didn't want to make the acc look bad to the big east BB schools. Duke would have only voted yes for Miami and VT. UNC and Duke were completely against the other schools.

Johnny Punani2
June-25th-2003, 01:10 AM
This makes perfect sense IMO....

First of all, the ACC is a southern conf. I think teams traveling to Mass and upstate NY for games and vice versa would be a little much. Players already have a lot to handle with athletics and school work.

Second, it's a win win situation for everyone involved. Duke and NC are basketball schools for the most part and didn't want to have to face Syracuse every year. I'm sure the other BBall teams in the ACC didn't want to face Syracuse either.

IMO, the ACC wanted to increase it's revenue by increasing the quality of it's football program compaired to other Div 1-A Conferences and make it the focus of the Conference. By adding Miami and VT, they just made it the #1 Football Conference in the nation.

TheCoachesCorner.TV
June-25th-2003, 01:10 AM
I still don't understand why the two conferences don't work together to form a super conference like the SWC and Big 8 did in the mid 90's. Both parties could benefit. They can get rid of the dead weight teams like Rutgers and Temple and a few others and make the ACC-Big East the best conference in the country. I do think having Tech is the best move for the ACC because their football program is going to rock as long as Beamer is in town. BC and Syracuse were bad fits for football but better in BBall than Tech. Who knows, the Hokies might be able to recruit better now that they can say they are ACC bound. As a Hokie, they need to go for sure..........

OrangeSkin
June-25th-2003, 01:27 AM
This makes no sense whatsoever. Correct me if I'm wrong, because the invitation of just two teams seems too stupid to be true.

Unless the ACC has a guarantee that the minimum number of teams for a championship game will be lowered to 10, then they're risking millions in cash for two crappy and disputed TV markets.

Wouldn't surprise me if it came out that the big wigs in this whole operation put a few Benjamins in the pocket of the NCAA for the minimum to be lowered.

Not to mention, Syracuse crushes Tech in terms of cash AND TV markets. If I were the ACC a hold on the NYC market would be more appealing than the battle between Tech and UVA for the Western VA market.

Plus UM has a large alumni base in the northeast, who will no longer be spending money to see UM in the Carrier Dome.

Tech comes out smelling like $hit on this one. Two-faced ba$tards. First they take the moral high ground by denouncing the ACC's raid. Then they suddenly change their position when an invitation is presented to them.

It's a damn shame this thing ever had to happen.

My respect for UNC and Duke has increased greatly. Even if they acted in their own self-interest to maintain Bball fraternity, they acted right. Tech, Miami, and the rest of the ACC have irreprehensibly damaged their reputations.

I hope you Tech alumns are happy knowing you graduated from a school that has no shame in an oh so blatant grab at a wad of cash. Your administration, who was gung-ho Big East two weeks ago, is now kissing the collective as$es of the money grubbing ACC. Way to go. Sell your integrity out for a few bucks.

luckydevil
June-25th-2003, 03:06 AM
I am sorry VA Tech has no business being in the ACC. It is a one sport school, I hope they reject the offer. UNC and Duke really hurt the acc tonight.

AJWatson3
June-25th-2003, 03:45 AM
if notre dame were to enter the acc my two fav and least fav colleges would be in the same conference... kind of odd...

go wreck! go canes!

burn noles! burn catholics! i mean ND.

Om
June-25th-2003, 09:37 AM
Let's not be quite so hasty to all VT names for being put in the position they're in now. To hear my good friend Orange take out his frustrations on VT, while understandable given the circumstances, still raises the Hokie hackles just a bit. :)

Big Question that needs answering before I launch into this too heartily: :)

Has it been established yet whether or not the Big East retain it's automatic BCS bid after the smoke clears?

OrangeSkin
June-26th-2003, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Om
Has it been established yet whether or not the Big East retain it's automatic BCS bid after the smoke clears?
Not unless we somehow manage to court ND. Without V-Tech and UM, football is esentially screwed. Louisiville and whatever other second rate program we manage to bring in won't be anywhere close to good enough. :doh:

Om
June-26th-2003, 09:48 AM
I think that says it all, then, doesn't it?

Tech did not seek out the ACC, they were more than happy continuing to build their program under the false assumption that the Big East was a viable major football conference with an established path to the BCS. Without that, no program can build a program with realistic expectations of being a player.

My druthers would have been to leave the damn thing like it was. The ACC and Miami made that impossible. First, it forced Syracuse and BC to protect themselves and their investments in their programs by accepting the bid. And it forced the remaining Big East schools to the courthouse to try to keep their conference from being gutted by a corporate raid.

The ACC responded, predictably, by asking VT to join and jettisoning SYR and BC without anouther thought. With the Big East still likely to lose it's BCS affiliation, VT has absolutely no choice but to take the PR hit of now accepting the ACC's new and improved bid and try to protect the multi-multi-million dollar investment it has made in it's football program over the last few years based on its affiliation with the Big East.

I didn't "blame" SYR or BC for accepting the bid in the first place; they HAD to. I didn't blame the remaining Big East schools from trying to stop it; they HAD to. Now, I don't blame VT for accepting the bid, either; they HAVE to. And I don't blame SYR and BC fans for being every bit as bitter as I was at first.

The whole thing STINKS. But to lay it at the feet of VT, as I'm now hearing all over damn place, shows not only a total, almost comical lack of understanding of the big picture, but somehow manages to leave the ACC the Miami, the true villians in this preposterous circus, as legitimate players here. And let's not even get started on the NCAA, whose silence on this whole thing shows them for the impotent joke they are and serves as tacit approval of this whole sordid affair.

I hope the Big East can get Notre Dame and Louisville and anyone else they want, and that they can somehow remain a BCS conference. They deserve it. They DON'T deserve what the ACC and Miami have done to them.

AS long as NCAA football is beholden to the BCS and the money involved in it, schools that want to contend for titles and be major players are going to be forced to do precisely what SYR and BC and now VT have had to do. College football has become a free-for-all, and without a guiding body with brains and a soul, it's survival of the fittest.

And I think that sucks.