So tired of fans calling each other "haters"

[AAARedskin]

Fellow Redskin fans, this needs to be addressed now. It's immature and wrong to label another Skins fan as a "hater" because that fan may have doubts about a player like Jason Campbell, or any other player. (like Colt Brennan) I'm even more alarmed that some people on this site are starting to accuse Campbell doubters as "racists." Mature, intelligent, and civilized adults shouldn't be talking to each other like this! C'mon.....aren't we all mature enough not to lower ourselves to be talking to each other like this? Hey, I love intense debates, but enough is enough......let's all keep in mind that we all share a passion for our favorite team........the Redskins.

[Thinking Skins]

I used to feel the same way. But over time you just learn to ignore those people you can't have a legit discussion with and talk more to those who you can.

[Vicious]

hatin on haters.

[darklight1216]

You just have to show your maturity by not taking the bait and by ignoring them.

[modazfuk]

It's an age thing

[thesubmittedone]

I agree, however, I'm afraid you're making it far more simpler than it is. There is definitely "hate" out there directed towards our players, and at times, it's at a ridiculous level. These people are "haters" no matter how you look at it. If you're simply speaking of those who can't stand anyone to have "doubts" about a certain player like Campbell, than of course you're right, but these types are few and far in between.

I think you have to understand the difference between doubting a player and outright negativity towards a player.

For instance, I doubt that Mike Williams can take over at RT for us. However, I'd love it if he does, and furthermore, I have plenty of hope that he does so. I will not bash him for his excessive weight, nor will I call him names. I want him to succeed, and even though it is doubtful, I will have hope and support him so long as he's wearing the colors of my favorite team.

You tell me if that's the type of mentality everyone here takes towards are players... can you honestly say that? How many times do we need to hear "Candle sucks", "Boonell gots to go!", or "Carlos 'no D' Rogers"? These are our players. We demand loyalty out of them, but we show none to them. If that's not "hate" I don't what is.

I suppose someone will answer and say that it's just all in good fun. I'll accept that, but if someone takes it the wrong way and considers it hate, you can't be surprised.

[Hitman#21]

Were all entitled to our opinion and not all of us can agree on everything, but like one thing we all agree on like you said is that we wanna see the Skins win!

[RedskinInExile]

Here here. I myself am prety tired of all the "you're not a real fan" talk that crops up each time the team posts a few L's

[Weapon X]

let's all keep in mind that we all share a passion for our favorite team........the Redskins.

:applause: Good Post

[Portis for 6]

Man it's ES what the hell do you expect?

[zskins]

I hate you actually I don't hate anyone. I might have a strong opinion but I don't hate.

[TheREALJBird]

I know I don't care for it either. Larry Michael always says it too, ugh.

[STBonecrusher21]

Well then stop hatin.

:)

[AAARedskin]

Perhaps a lot of us have a great deal of pent-up rage, because we all know in our hearts that our beloved Redskins have been really close to being the elite team we know that they are fully capable of becoming. For example, great coaching staffs can sometimes get into very heated arguments over what direction a team should be headed in. Don't misunderstand me......I love an intense debate here and there.....I'm just tired of the words HATER and RACIST............Hail!!!!!

[AAARedskin]

Well then stop hatin.

:)
No offense, but you just don't get it do you? For a fan to say one guy should be the QB over another player isn't "hate." It's called doubt.....it's not believing in one guy's ability......but it's not hate.

[BigMike619]

whats opinion to you is hate to another.

whats hate to you is opinion to another.

its all a matter of perspective my man..

[Justsomeguy]

Hate IS an opinion. It just happens to be the wrong one...

[bubba9497]

speaking as someone who has been called more names than anyone on the board

when they start labeling you, it's the same as admitting defeat... because they can't logically debate the issue. Other people reading the threads understand what's going on. Someone calling a name to try and discredit someone, usually is discrediting themselves.


or because you are a hater

[Ryman of the North]

I hate...

Dallass cowpies
Philthy fecals
new yuck midgets
running on 3rd and long
Passing on 2nd and short
prevent defence
stupid people
people who call me a hater for expressing my opinion
people who take being PC to new and stupid depths
Old people drivers
nerds
Offensive linemen who line up across from me
people who dont get the F out of my way when im in a rush
asshats
people who dont get up for old people on the bus
people who dont learn my language in my country and get upset at me for not speaking wtf ever it is they speak.
people who travel to other countries and assume that people there will speak english
vegetarians who wear leather
Lesbians who wont give me a shot


Things I DO NOT HATE
fellow skins fans (even the dense ones)

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

I HATE the term "haters" in general, not just related to football. It is the most overused term in the dictionary. Cant even dislike something without being labeled a hater.

[bubba9497]

No offense, but you just don't get it do you? For a fan to say one guy should be the QB over another player isn't "hate." It's called doubt.....it's not believing in one guy's ability......but it's not hate.

it depends on how you express your disbelief, too many speak in absolute truths, when they are just expressing a very biased opinion, at best.

It also depends on your reaction to person debating the other point of view, usually when you dismiss them without conceding any points, despite them being facts... leads one to believe there are more motives involved.



let's all keep in mind that we all share a passion for our favorite team........the Redskins.

many forms of hate are masked as professing love for something else.

[stevemcqueen1]

Kool-aid drinker is just as stupid and meaningless an expression.

[BigMike619]

Kool-aid drinker is just as stupid and meaningless an expression.

depends on the kool aid.

if were talking purple stuff here I am down.

[stevemcqueen1]

It's an age thing

Seems pretty dismissive for someone who's deriding a whole generation for being dismissive.

[stevemcqueen1]

depends on the kool aid.

if were talking purple stuff here I am down.

Shoot... everybody likes grape drink.

[illone]

I think it's just an internet thing.

If we were all at a game I'd bet money that everyone's voice here would be gone before halftime regardless of who the QB is.

I don't think anyone here really "hates" it's just a cool thing to say when someone disagrees with you.

HATER!

[Ray Brown]

its this website. I have seen more preposterous and insane topics or ideas brought up about this team over the past years than i ever imagined possible. Honestly, it can be way to overwhelming at times, and sometimes down right stupid.

[BigMike619]

Shoot... everybody likes grape drink.

http://www.itstrulyrandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/purpledrank.jpg

[mo808]

It's an age thing

yep, plain and simple son :)

[bubba9497]

I don't think anyone here really "hates" it's just a cool thing to say when someone disagrees with you.

HATER!

some do

some get their jollies pretending to be a "fan" only to stir up the board.

Some have other agendas.... is everyone a hater, of course not... but don't assume everyone is on the level about who or what they claim to be.

[illone]

some do

some get their jollies pretending to be a "fan" only to stir up the board.

Some have other agendas.... is everyone a hater, of course not... but don't assume everyone is on the level about who or what they claim to be.


Yea but those guys usually don't post anything longer than one sentence so it's easy to see through them.

I can't imagine someone coming here and sticking around long enough to plant seeds of hate. I could be wrong but I guess it's not a big deal to me. Hate doesn't really bother me too much because I can ignore it.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

its easier for people who dont like debating or explaining themselves to label people with negative opinions "haters". i think campbell is a poor QB, but im no hater. i think portis is a great runningback, doesnt make me a "homer". people throw that word around way too much.

id like to know exactly what a hater is actually.

[Bang]

I used to feel the same way. But over time you just learn to ignore those people you can't have a legit discussion with and talk more to those who you can.

Truth. I tend to look for names that give good discussion without the BS. Thinking Skins, you're on that list.

~bang

[CB4MVP]

Jason Campbell sure seems like a nice guy..

But, I HATE THE WAY HE PLAYS FOOTBALL!

:doh:

[ST is my boy]

Oh yay....another Campbell thread masked to be something else..

[Burgold]

Why all the hate for the haters? You guys are hater haters. Are you lover lovers too?

[BigMike619]

Why all the hate for the haters? You guys are hater haters. Are you lover lovers too?

Mr Lovah Man!!

SHABBA!!

[Burgold]

Mr Lovah Man!!

SHABBA!!

Exactly. I love love, but hate hate.

How you holding up by the way? Are you nearing the end of your marathon 14 hour day?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

This discussion is a revolving door come every offseason. It goes round and round and where it stops, well it doesn't. We'll be speaking about this next year whether people want a new QB still or whatever the situation is.

We all will have opposing opinions at one point or another, and most can discuss them intelligently. Unfortunately there will always be a minority that resorts to name calling and the way to overcome them is to just ignore them.

[da#1skinsfan]

"hate" is when the Skins make a splash in free agency, they get criticized for trying to buy a team, while if they dont, they get criticized for ignoring their needs.

thats just one example. its rampant all over this board - people who utilize this medium of communication as a way of constantly bashing the team they "love" versus simply discussing the teams moves. I bet there are a good number of posters on here that you could do a search on and see not one single positive/complimentary post in a group of 100.

its just the nature of the internet thats all...no big deal. there will always be people who will never be happy and there will be those that choose to look at each individual aspect and pass judgement for the sake of discussion. i'll keep berating the doom & gloomer sky is falling oh no it's been 10 minutes into the game and its already over-fans, hopefully one day they see the light.

[Portis for 6]

BLC is a prime example of a hater! I'm sure he will be in here with an I hate JC attitude.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

its easier for people who dont like debating or explaining themselves to label people with negative opinions "haters". i think campbell is a poor QB, but im no hater. i think portis is a great runningback, doesnt make me a "homer". people throw that word around way too much.

id like to know exactly what a hater is actually.


BLC is a prime example of a hater! I'm sure he will be in here with an I hate JC attitude.

BLC with the points.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

What's ironic is that I really do hate most of you. So, the title may actually work for me.

I'm kidding of course.

Not really. I would like to see a lot of you in intolerable pain.

Oh...come on...that's just not nice and totally untrue.

Except for the ones for which it is totally true. You know who you are.

Haha. Such a prankster.

But, seriously, some of you need to spend a week working on pig farms in Mexico.

[Taylor 36]

I responded to a poster a few weeks ago about this very thing, and that poster and a few others try to jump in and "hate" on me for telling them to chill out with using that word.

I have been over the labeling people as "haters" or not "true fans" for a long time now. And, for those of you saying hate is an opinion, it is not. It is an emotion and a state of mind. It is such an immature copout to use that word or expression. So, I have to agree 100%with the OP on this point.

I can't speak for everyone, but I know as far as I'm concerned in this, I do not hate any player on our roster, and I certainly do not hate the Redskins. I love this team with the maximum amount of emotion and energy one could possibly put into an object or organization (the ONLY things I focus on and spend as much time with and care about more in this world than the Redskins are my wife and kids).

What I and, I believe, most of us want more than anything is to see this team succeed. Now, we may have a different opinion about what is going to help our team achieve another championship than some of our fellow posters, but that doesn't mean that I or anyone else hates anyone, poster or player.

[LD0506]

It is one thing to be critical, everyone enjoys trying to express their own perspective and opinion on what the team needs. Personally I enjoy and respect an awful ot of people that post here for their insightful critiques. There are a lot of members far more knowledgable about football than I am and I benefit from their views. Simply trying to express an opinion of what we need to improve or where we might have a weakness is not at all the same thing as being a "hater".

Now there IS a faction here that is quite different. While they try to disguise themselves as just "ardent fans that desire more", their words belie that notion. Their overwhelming non-stop pessimism that frequently has little or no connection to reality belies the notion. Their willingness to spam every single thread with the twisted spew belies the notion.

I feel it is quite reasonable to consider such people "haters". Each and every thing that happens, no matter how small or how positive gets viewed through their warped lens of bitterness and turned into spew. People here have gone so far as to hope for a disastrously poor season to "teach Vinny and TheDan a lesson". Well, actively rooting for failure so that you can feel your twisted agenda is validated is pretty damn sad, and I defy anyone to stretch the definition of fan far enough to cover that.

[Taylor 36]

BLC is a prime example of a hater! I'm sure he will be in here with an I hate JC attitude.

Some people will never get it, unfortunately. :doh:

[ttr77]

To me, there is only one thing more annoying than those that can see absolutely nothing good about this organization...and that is someone that can see absolutely nothing wrong with this organization.

[BuryYourDuke]

I just hate the term in general. Whenever I hear it I just think of a stupid rap song, and trash on Jerry Springer.

[Spade]

To me, there is only one thing more annoying than those that can see absolutely nothing good about this organization...and that is someone that can see absolutely nothing wrong with this organization.

:cool2:

[earl]

its one thing to have an opinion about something. and in such cases to disagree is welcome especially in forums like ES. But to be unbending and make blind opinions about something based on no merit at all is hate. Plain and simple. call it what you want, love it or leave it alone, but if you practice this, you are a HATER. see below for examples.
if you have said these things in the past or more or less believe these things in any shape or form of the following statements, then sorry to say it but you are a HATER.

"colt brennan is a better qb then jason campbell" based on what? obviously the coaches don't think so. some nfl minds question if he has an arm good enough for the NFL.= HATER

"no Oline and WR's is just an excuse for Jason Campbell" name one other successful QB that doesn't need an Oline and Wr's. = HATER

"multiple Offensive Coordinators should carry not weight in evaluating Jason Campbell's progress or lack there of." hmmm, that makes sense, NOT = HATER

"despite his #'s carlos rogers is a terrible CB he needs to go."= HATER.

If i have offended you in anyway you must be a HATER!!

[kubstix]

I can't believe this is a post? People are tired of other fans calling other fans haters? Are you serious? Stop drinking the haterade then.

[Thinking Skins]

speaking as someone who has been called more names than anyone on the board

when they start labeling you, it's the same as admitting defeat... because they can't logically debate the issue. Other people reading the threads understand what's going on. Someone calling a name to try and discredit someone, usually is discrediting themselves.


or because you are a hater

I think its even more than that. There are some people who doubt JC and have legit arguments to support their doubt. The thing about it is that we always get into the same argument. Its like a repeated cycle that we keep going through. So then one side gets called a "hater" and the other side gets called a "homer".

Truth is nobody knows how the Skins will do this year. All we can do is give our opinions, supported by whatever we have to support it.

I remember somebody posting statistical research into why JC would have a passer rating of below 70 last year and it looked like interesting research, but it was proven wrong when he had a rating of 84 or so.

I tend to just look for the interesting NEW arguments on both sides, or people that at least can make me laugh. Thats why, even though I don't always agree with Oldfan, I like his posts cause they normally make people think, and he can back up his claims with some reasonable discussion.

[Thinking Skins]

I don't think anybody falls into the category of "always a hater". People have different things they're passionate about. One may be that JC is not a starting QB. One may be that Colt is a better QB. One may be that Betts is a better RB. I remember I was on a rant saying that we had a stupid front office.

Its hard to be a Larry Michael and root for every decision that this team makes. I'm to the point now where I'm spending a lot more time in Tailgate (thanks to the "New Posts" button at the top of the page) just responding to the more relaxed threads. I don't have the evidence to support my belief that Mike Williams probably won't be any good, but I still think that. Occasionally I'll post that opinion in a thread, but if we're going to just say the same things over and over again, I'd rather just sit and wait to be proven wrong.

But not everybody's like me. Some people have more fun in the discussion about why he will fail. I just feel like if you have a problem with those type of posters, then just avoid those posts that make you want to react violently.

But don't think that because a poster seems like a "hater" to you in this one thread, that he's "just a hater" because while I disagree with somebody like BLC on the JC issue, we've been on the same side of a few discussions too. And soon enough, the JC issue will be resolved and there will be a new set of questions for Redskins fans to quarrel about.

[Thinking Skins]

Truth. I tend to look for names that give good discussion without the BS. Thinking Skins, you're on that list.

~bang

same, I've been readin your stuff for a while now, especially the cartoons.

[usapatriot]

I don't think that there are that many Redskin "haters" on ES. I know there are some who just like to stir things up but I think alot of it is just different opinions about things people feel strongly about. For example I'm not sold on JC being the QB we need. That doesn't mean I hate him and if he's our QB come September I'll be one of the biggest JC fans out there. That doesn't mean I'm going to give him or any other Skins player a pass if they mess up. I support them on Sunday but at the same time you can't support them blind. I think this just comes out more in the offseason because thats when most all of the personell decisions are made. Someone's sig said it best and I don't remember whos it was but:

regular person + anonimity + large audience = total dickwad

[LizKauai]

Some people may be bored, stressed, dissatisfied, powerless, rude, and any of those other manifestations of some kind of fear in personal life.

ES provides a place where that fear energy can be released. Relatively speaking, it is better to rant on a board than cause bodily harm to oneself and others.

But it does make life for simple, enthusiastic fans difficult.
A statement of support for a hometown college player who makes the team could be thrown back in the poster's face as a hate message about the incumbent player in the same position.

That is not right.

One can only imagine how many fans, family and friends of this year's draft class are hiding in the shadows because fans of last year's draft class are STILL getting pounded for being "against the incumbent".

"Freedom of speech" was not intended to be "free to rant at anyone for any reason".
Good manners and common courtesy is a quality appreciated.

[STBonecrusher21]

Hey!

I've never called anyone a hater.

[PROSCOUT]

To me, there is only one thing more annoying than those that can see absolutely nothing good about this organization...and that is someone that can see absolutely nothing wrong with this organization.

We call them "haters" and "homers". There is no logical conversation going on when you get involved with one of them. But put them together, and they sure are fun to watch.

[Peeping Wizard]

The term "hater" is just as lame and cliched as the term "douche."

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

People here have gone so far as to hope for a disastrously poor season to "teach Vinny and TheDan a lesson". Well, actively rooting for failure so that you can feel your twisted agenda is validated is pretty damn sad, and I defy anyone to stretch the definition of fan far enough to cover that.

See, the vast majority of the people who I've witnessed recently wish ill on the Skins fortunes this season are ardent DEFENDERS (aka 'non-haters') of a certain QB. Almost none of the 'haters' have ever shown that, in fact, they've expressed the opposite.

I've also staunchly defended Samuels and Portis on this board (other than complaining a bit about him falling down a couple years back) and even Lavar. I will support the coaches when I think they're right and NOT when I don't.

I've also, for the longest, spoken out in defense of Snyder, both as a human being and owner. Not because I'm some "Snydertown" kool-aid swiller but because I try to be as objective and fair as I can. I also happen to believe QB is the most important position on the team and that I am better than other people at discernment of talent at that position. I'm not perfect but I have a decent record on the subject.

The people I consider "haters" are not people who criticize one guy, even irrationally, but who seemingly hate the team, its fanbase and all of its players. And those types are truly few and far between.

I am disturbed about any 'fan' who would wish the team to lose and waste another year of Santana and Portis and Cooley and Samuels' lives to prove a lesson to Snyder and Vinny for their alleged 'ill-treatment' of certain players.

[DallasSucks19922010]

We dont take kindly to folks that dont take kindly.

[Rudechain]

"hate" is when the Skins make a splash in free agency, they get criticized for trying to buy a team, while if they dont, they get criticized for ignoring their needs.

thats just one example. its rampant all over this board - people who utilize this medium of communication as a way of constantly bashing the team they "love" versus simply discussing the teams moves. I bet there are a good number of posters on here that you could do a search on and see not one single positive/complimentary post in a group of 100.

its just the nature of the internet thats all...no big deal. there will always be people who will never be happy and there will be those that choose to look at each individual aspect and pass judgement for the sake of discussion. i'll keep berating the doom & gloomer sky is falling oh no it's been 10 minutes into the game and its already over-fans, hopefully one day they see the light.

There are some rather vitriolic posts here on ES at times. The anonymity of the internet allows a false sense of bravado/machismo. I highly doubt these people would actually say some of the things they post if they were face to face.

Age has something to do with it, but then again I have seen people dismiss younger posters because they have been a fan of the team longer.

In the end, you have to ignore or bypass the idiotic posts and recognize them for what they are. Simple mind numbing expressions without any forethought.

[bubba9497]

why is it all everyone complains about is being called "hater"

when did being called

Homer

Kool Aid drinker

B&G Glasses wearer

jock sniffer

brown noser

idiot

apologist

etc....

any better?

[.THEkid.]

This discussion is a revolving door come every offseason. It goes round and round and where it stops, well it doesn't. We'll be speaking about this next year whether people want a new QB still or whatever the situation is.

We all will have opposing opinions at one point or another, and most can discuss them intelligently. Unfortunately there will always be a minority that resorts to name calling and the way to overcome them is to just ignore them.

Not if our team goes 19-0 every year, and become the greatest dynasty EVER, never ever losing another game for the next 60 years. Then we will never have to argue about anything ever again.

[CrabR]

criticize does not mean you hate your team

I think we will never win with Snyder and vinny, my opinion does not mean i hate the team.

I cannot think of any game i have not watched/listened to since my father first got seasons tickets[since 1961], and i have bitched and moaned, somethimes i have been right something i have been wrong. Always loved the skins never hated them

[Thinking Skins]

Not if our team goes 19-0 every year, and become the greatest dynasty EVER, never ever losing another game for the next 60 years. Then we will never have to argue about anything ever again.

Trust me, fans will invent something to complain about.

THey'd say that the backup QB could have done it better and scored more points. THey'd say that our pass rush sucked but we won because of our cornerbacks. They'd say that even though we're undefeated, we just got lucky and if we had played a real team we'd have gotten demolished.

They'd find something to complain about.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Remember:

Hate leads to anger. Anger leads to fear :saber:

[SKINchiefer]

I agree, however, I'm afraid you're making it far more simpler than it is. There is definitely "hate" out there directed towards our players, and at times, it's at a ridiculous level. These people are "haters" no matter how you look at it. If you're simply speaking of those who can't stand anyone to have "doubts" about a certain player like Campbell, than of course you're right, but these types are few and far in between.

I think you have to understand the difference between doubting a player and outright negativity towards a player.

For instance, I doubt that Mike Williams can take over at RT for us. However, I'd love it if he does, and furthermore, I have plenty of hope that he does so. I will not bash him for his excessive weight, nor will I call him names. I want him to succeed, and even though it is doubtful, I will have hope and support him so long as he's wearing the colors of my favorite team.

You tell me if that's the type of mentality everyone here takes towards are players... can you honestly say that? How many times do we need to hear "Candle sucks", "Boonell gots to go!", or "Carlos 'no D' Rogers"? These are our players. We demand loyalty out of them, but we show none to them. If that's not "hate" I don't what is.

I suppose someone will answer and say that it's just all in good fun. I'll accept that, but if someone takes it the wrong way and considers it hate, you can't be surprised.


Couldn't have said it better myself. This passage belongs engraved on some tablet somewhere. :applause:

[wvtbred]

criticize does not mean you hate your team

I cannot think of any game i have not watched/listened to since my father first got seasons tickets[since 1961], and i have bitched and moaned, somethimes i have been right something i have been wrong. Always loved the skins never hated them


Ditto

[XxSpearheadxX]

hater ......


you guys are like a bunch of old people trying to decipher slang while half brain dead 15 year olds call out your lack of swag.

BAMMAS WHAT? HUH?

GO SKINS 4 EVAH

[SKINchiefer]

That's true too, the word "hater" has gained a few meanings over the years.

If you don't know, you don't know.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

who the hell uses hatin anyways? That's like old.

[NAC386]

It's an age thing


You're right it's definitely an age thing. All the 30-40 somethings who come on this site that have like 5,000 posts and never have anything positive to say about anything is who you are referring to right? Yea I don't like them either, good call!

It's less of an age thing and more of a maturity thing. Let's face it, you 40 year olds are not any more mature than any of us 20 year olds.

[ntotoro]

It's less of an age thing and more of a maturity thing. Let's face it, you 40 year olds are not any more mature than any of us 20 year olds.

It's immaturity that leads you to believe that.

The older I get, the more I realize I don't know.

I do know the term "hater" and the verb "hatin'" are idiotic, though.