Official Mike Williams Status Thread

[derekc4]

05/07/09 Interview on redskins.com. He is down to 392 pounds from 450 only 6 months ago. He says he should be at 370 by June's activities. I'm assuming he meant minicamp.

My take: He's obviously a large man, but he really carries his weight well. He simply just has a gigantic frame. I noticed he has hands the size of a piece of paper. Big dude.

[Portis for 6]

This thread feels Weird... I'm out of here!

[SWFLSkins]

4:43pm update please, I mean really if your going to start a status thread you have to put in the ground work man.

[DirtyGunz8]

put him on the biggest loser

[nimblehippo]

Can we have like a Mike williams weight ticker or something with live updates as he loses every pound! I think I might go on a diet myself in solidarity with the big guy!

[flexxskins]

I noticed he has hands the size of a piece of paper. Big dude.Toilet paper, poster paper, writing paper...come on man, you have to be darn specific with this group here.

[Horton_Predator48]

I think if Big Mike can get his weight down he will be a viable option at RT. This guy's biggest problem is motivation. However, it looks like he has something to prove and he is right on the trick. He was a #4 Draft Pick, so he had/has the technique and foot work to be good. When he gets the weight down he will be our starting RT. Maybe for only a year or two, but I think he will win out.

[theboomking]

It's early May. The preseason is now 4 months away. If he has gone from 450 to 392 in the last 6 months on his own. I definitely think he can drop another 25lb's in 4 months. 1.5 lb's per week is nothing for a man that size who will be working out as hard as he will. I would be surprised if he is not down to under 370 by The regular season. I know his stated goal was 370#, but I'm not sure how many 370 lb men have had any longevity in the league. If he can work his weight down to around 350, he might have better stamina and a better chance of staying healthy.

[Grumpy Vet]

Looks like we need a Mike Williams Meter


http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt/t/wSJoUp3/blk-weight.png
(http://www.TickerFactory.com/weight-loss/wSJoUp3/)

Updated to 392...

[Travdaskin]

No he is at 392, I saw his video on Redskin.com and man HE LOOKED GREAT, keep it up dude, you will be the starter and lead us this year...

[Tyron Biggums]

It is hard to picture someone as big as Mike Williams playing tackle. I would think that he would be better suited for guard considering his low center of gravity. He obviously has very quick feet, and hands to even be considered for RT. One thing is for sure he has the best offensive line coach in the NFL coaching him in Mr.Joe Bugel. If Joe sees something in this big cat, and he stays healthy sigh the sky is the limit.

Keep pushing yourself Mike we are pulling for you!

HTTR

[Soup]

News Flash:

Reports are Mike Williams was spotted in Orlando exercising intensely by swiimiming and training in the ocean.




Nevermind it was just Shamu

[youngestson]

News Flash:

Reports are Mike Williams was spotted in Orlando exercising intensely by swiimiming and training in the ocean.



That would explain the raising sea levels.

Jokes aside, I don't get this Williams mania. Even if he drops off the weight the guy never performed any where near the level one would expect from a 3rd rounder, let alone his number 4 over all.

Hope I have to eat my words (errr...no joke intended) but I aint holding my breath.

[ddub52]

put him on the biggest loser

Such creativity... where did you come up with this idea??


To the OP,
Why did you put all those forward slashes that makes your thread difficult to read?

[ExoDus84]

That would explain the raising sea levels.

Jokes aside, I don't get this Williams mania. Even if he drops off the weight the guy never performed any where near the level one would expect from a 3rd rounder, let alone his number 4 over all.

Hope I have to eat my words (errr...no joke intended) but I aint holding my breath.

I have no doubt he could perform at least as good as Jansen, and if he does, he's worth keeping around.

[jrfriedm]

It is hard to picture someone as big as Mike Williams playing tackle. I would think that he would be better suited for guard considering his low center of gravity. He obviously has very quick feet, and hands to even be considered for RT. One thing is for sure he has the best offensive line coach in the NFL coaching him in Mr.Joe Bugel. If Joe sees something in this big cat, and he stays healthy sigh the sky is the limit.

Keep pushing yourself Mike we are pulling for you!

HTTR

Then you obviously don't know much about offensive line play.

[Rocky52Mc]

I have no doubt he could perform at least as good as Jansen, and if he does, he's worth keeping around.

All he has to really do is not fall down.. :D

But in all seriousness, my only real concern with him would be..consistency to not be fatigued on the field while we're in a Clinton Portis marathon mode, and his ability to stop the speed rusher off the edge. That's all really.

[ddub52]

Then you obviously don't know much about offensive line play.

care to elaborate?

[HighOnHendrix]

Looks like we need a Mike Williams Meter


http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt/t/wSJoUp3/blk-weight.png
(http://www.TickerFactory.com/weight-loss/wSJoUp3/)

Updated to 392...

That's fricking sweet!

[Tyron Biggums]

Then you obviously don't know much about offensive line play.
Obviously I do not know much about offensive line play.?

Please enlighten me.

HTTR

[fnkdctr(007)]

That would explain the raising sea levels.

Jokes aside, I don't get this Williams mania. Even if he drops off the weight the guy never performed any where near the level one would expect from a 3rd rounder, let alone his number 4 over all.

Hope I have to eat my words (errr...no joke intended) but I aint holding my breath.

He was an 85 in Madden for Jacksonville with a 97 strength Not that it matters but he still has talent.

[CPortJGibbs89]

he was an 85 in madden for jacksonville with a 97 strength not that it matters but he still has talent.lol

[skinsfan_1215]

That would explain the raising sea levels.

Jokes aside, I don't get this Williams mania. Even if he drops off the weight the guy never performed any where near the level one would expect from a 3rd rounder, let alone his number 4 over all.

Hope I have to eat my words (errr...no joke intended) but I aint holding my breath.

Actually I had read that he played VERY well in the only NFL season he played injury-free. Didn't allow a sack the whole year. Dude's got talent. If he can drop down to 370, he can be our starting RT.

[gaskinsfan]

Actually I had read that he played VERY well in the only NFL season he played injury-free. Didn't allow a sack the whole year. Dude's got talent. If he can drop down to 370, he can be our starting RT.

I think that Mike Williams will benefit from a few things that are going in his direction;

1. Being close to Dockery will help him, he is obviously motivated enough to lose the weight.

2. Joe Bugel has been known to develop huge OL into players (i.e. Jacoby), so I think Williams is in a good system/team.

3. There is a glaring need at RT. If he is able to keep the weight off and beat out Jansen and Heyer, he will have the chance to make starting OT money in the NFL.

4. Obviously he has some talent, being a first rounder a few years ago. He probably has less wear and tear than most OL his age because of the time off.

Bottom line; he cost us nothing; so low risk and potential high payback. If nothing else he will push Heyer, Jansen, etc. to play better. And if he is good enough to start, we will have addressed a big need for free, and drafted another big need (Orakpo-DE) this year.

Go Skins

[pez]

I saw some video of him on Redskins Nation the other day, and I have to say... I am SHOCKED out how dainty his footwork was for such a huge man...

It was almost comical seeing this behemoth tiptoe-ing over the pads so quickly... :laugh:

[DiscoBob]

NEWS FLASH

***********************

Williams takes a dump and drops 2.5 lbs

***********************




Do we really need a weight tracking thread? Come on people, check up on it in June....

[TheMalcolmConnection]

NEWS FLASH

Williams finds a small animal in his fat rolls, loses another 3 lbs.

[laxpck]

News Flash.... he is big people. Really big.

[youngestson]

He was an 85 in Madden for Jacksonville with a 97 strength Not that it matters but he still has talent.

I can't argue with the talent... it's the performance. If talent were the only factor Michael Westbrook would have been an all pro.

Again, I hope he works out, I just don't think it's going to happen.

[gutlead74]

man it would be awesome if he works out. i really like mike better than bidges for the simple character issues. Mike has a great personality as well, however as sanchez will teach us that means jack on the field.

[icbmayday]

Hope he can be a diamond in the ruff

[Grumpy Vet]

Shall I change the ticker? Do we have any official numbers from today?

[Sandman69]

I saw some video of him on Redskins Nation the other day, and I have to say... I am SHOCKED out how dainty his footwork was for such a huge man...

It was almost comical seeing this behemoth tiptoe-ing over the pads so quickly... :laugh:

I saw those clips on the tube as well. I couldn't believe how fast he was moving through them. Impressive... Can't wait till June!

Go Mike!

[bulldog]

Assuming Williams can get down to 365-370 the question in my mind is why wouldn't the Redskins consider him at OG?

He still seems like a longer shot outside at OT.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

does anyone have a link for video of him running/doing drills?

[gutlead74]

does anyone have a link for video of him running/doing drills?
ditto

[MustangSteve]

That would explain the raising sea levels.


:laugh:

[morpheusmeyers]

I noticed he has hands the size of a piece of paper. Big dude.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/163319152_bf464f0951.jpg?v=0

[Laxpunk2006]

Assuming Williams can get down to 365-370 the question in my mind is why wouldn't the Redskins consider him at OG?

He still seems like a longer shot outside at OT.

I'm no OL coach but I would assume his ability to play in space/pull would have a lot to do with it. For a guy that big it's going to be hard enough to play 60 snaps or so game without having to pull and try to lead block on sweeps/counters.

I'd also think his height would be an issue. He's listed at 6-6 on NFL.com but every picture/shot I've seen of him from minicamp he looks like a giant. The taller you are the more difficult it is to get low against DT's. Plus OT is the spot we need immediate help so he has a beetter shot at actually taking a starting job, which is what we need.

[gutlead74]

what i dont understand is why everyone assumes the guard is the primary puller. in the packer sweep or buck sweep they are. the counter trey involves the backside guard & tackle both pull, in Gibbs' outside zone whomever has the angle to block down does and the next one over pulls. in a true inside zone scheme "gut" you want a big powerful guard so you can get movement on the massive DTs, in a Shannahan outside zone everyone just reach blocks, in a sense everyone is pulling. in a toss situation usually its just the playside tackle that pulls everyone else reaches. the notion that a big guard wont work due to pulling is relative to scheme, see leonard davis.

[HighOnHendrix]

the notion that a big guard wont work due to pulling is relative to scheme, see leonard davis.

I think that is the exception to the rule, rather than the norm.

[CM916]

He was an 85 in Madden for Jacksonville with a 97 strength Not that it matters but he still has talent.

I actually got a starting Left Tackle under similar circumstances in Madden '07 many years down the road. Samuels was just about done and I brought in a failed 1st rounder from another team in free agency who had actually dropped to around 80 as a project. After a year or two as a backup, he won the job along with a super bowl and lived up to his raw pottential. My own 1st round tackle I drafted to replace Samuels ended up as that guy's backup.

I really think Williams has a legit shot to contribute if he keeps it up.

[alleycat]

I'm no OL coach but I would assume his ability to play in space/pull would have a lot to do with it. For a guy that big it's going to be hard enough to play 60 snaps or so game without having to pull and try to lead block on sweeps/counters.

I'd also think his height would be an issue. He's listed at 6-6 on NFL.com but every picture/shot I've seen of him from minicamp he looks like a giant. The taller you are the more difficult it is to get low against DT's. Plus OT is the spot we need immediate help so he has a beetter shot at actually taking a starting job, which is what we need.


DING DING DING...We have a winner !!

[HailSkins81]

Any update on Big Mike?

[bulldog]

the biggest obstacles to Mike Williams making the Redskins and contributing in 2009 are #1 endurance and #2 durability.

I am confident Williams can continue to lose weight and get close to the 360 mark the team has set for him.

What I am less confident of is that Williams can hold up physically at 360 at age 29/30 over a 16 game schedule.

Williams is the type of player you worry about getting leg/knee injuries due to the weight he is carrying.

[bubba9497]

DC area Krispie Kremes report record quarterly earnings

coincidence?

[bulldog]

no, that's Casey Rabach trying to add some bulk to that 289 frame.

[zskins]

DC area Krispie Kremes report record quarterly earnings

coincidence?

Wouldn't that be Krispy Kreme shows a profit loss last month all of a sudden. The management is baffled.

[CounterTrey75]

I just talked with my brother-in-law who is his wife's hair stylist. She said he's down to 375. He's determined to meet his goal.

Edit: I guess he met his goal?

[PROSCOUT]

Its not uncommon for a huge offensive lineman to lose 10 pounds on the first day of camp in August. They sweat so much. If Williams is down to 370 by camp, he will lose another 20 pounds in August...so he should be fine.

I am worried about Fat Albert. His weight is going in the opposite direction.

[rick1796]

Its not uncommon for a huge offensive lineman to lose 10 pounds on the first day of camp in August. They sweat so much. If Williams is down to 370 by camp, he will lose another 20 pounds in August...so he should be fine.

I am worried about Fat Albert. His weight is going in the opposite direction.

where are you getting that info from? if that is more than cynical speculation then i am worried.

[Dan T.]

where are you getting that info from? if that is more than cynical speculation then i am worried.


It's PROSCOUT. It's cynical speculation.

[The Tris]

Its not uncommon for a huge offensive lineman to lose 10 pounds on the first day of camp in August. They sweat so much. If Williams is down to 370 by camp, he will lose another 20 pounds in August...so he should be fine.

I am worried about Fat Albert. His weight is going in the opposite direction.


Thats water weight, not actual weight. I was 135 wrestler in high school and I could sweat out 8 pounds in practice, but it's not like I "lost" 8 pounds.

No, no, if PS is worried, than we should be too. And not only that, he's going to tell us he told us he mentioned that he was worried months ago.

[gutlead74]

just trying to wrap my brain around "down to 375"

[PROSCOUT]

where are you getting that info from? if that is more than cynical speculation then i am worried.

You did not clarify what information you were talking about?

But if it was my comments on Haynesworth and his weight...

Haynesworth was listed at 330 with Tennessee and when he first came to the Redskins and that is is playing weight. That is what sent him to the pro bowl. His current weight at the minicamp was 350 and is listed that way on this site. That weight is accurate because I inquired and it was confirmed.

If he gains another 10 pounds then he is about to meet Mike WIlliams on the way down, and there after we will be calling him Albert Stubblefield.

[CounterTrey75]

just trying to wrap my brain around "down to 375"

LOL, Exactly.

[Oldskool]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/30/redskins-cut-loose-jansen/?page=2

Williams, the fourth pick in the 2002 draft, hasn't played in the NFL since 2005. He has lost more than 30 pounds since signing with Washington on April 24 but on Friday still weighed 383.

He'll participate in team drills Monday when the Redskins begin their second round of OTAs but still needs to lose another 15 pounds or so.

[Jimbo]

Williams, the fourth pick in the 2002 draft, hasn't played in the NFL since 2005. He has lost more than 30 pounds since signing with Washington on April 24 but on Friday still weighed 383.


Wouldn't it just be easier for Redskins.com to post his updated weight twice a week for all us fans who are keeping watch? ;)

[Yeen80]

Mike Williams is large

[HighOnHendrix]

the biggest obstacles to Mike Williams making the Redskins and contributing in 2009 are #1 endurance and #2 durability.

I am confident Williams can continue to lose weight and get close to the 360 mark the team has set for him.

What I am less confident of is that Williams can hold up physically at 360 at age 29/30 over a 16 game schedule.

Williams is the type of player you worry about getting leg/knee injuries due to the weight he is carrying.

Good points there. From what I have read about MW, he's nimble regardless of weight, so the goal of the weight loss is just to help him with stamina.

[illone]

Prety sad, Skins fans hopes and dreams rest on the laurels of a man who hasn't played football in years.

:hysterical:

[TheLongshot]

Prety sad, Skins fans hopes and dreams rest on the laurels of a man who hasn't played football in years.

:hysterical:

Not really, just a bunch of bored fans who have nothing better to talk about until the season starts.

[onnie007]

Actually the guys has real talent and if we can get him into playing shape then you're talking about the Comeback Player of the Year.

Last week they said he was down to 384. Only 14 more pounds to go and we're good.

[H-O-G]

imo 370 is still waay to heavy for O-line Tackle. I'd like to see him at 300 =)

[Stew]

imo 370 is still waay to heavy for O-line Tackle. I'd like to see him at 300 =)

There are other linemen in the NFL that play at 370, and it was his weight coming out of college. In my opinion if he feels as good as he did coming out of college with the NFL experience under his belt... we may have a team player for years to come. Im sure he feels great after losing 30 pounds.

Wasnt Mike Sellers out of the NFL loading Coke trucks before we gave him his second shot? Wasnt LJ Smith working Construction? Its possibleto make a comeback, and I believe if he can do it, his determination and drive will keep him in the league for at least three to four years..

Come on Big Mike, you can do this thing, the hardest part is already done.

[justice98]

That would explain the raising sea levels.

Jokes aside, I don't get this Williams mania. Even if he drops off the weight the guy never performed any where near the level one would expect from a 3rd rounder, let alone his number 4 over all.

Hope I have to eat my words (errr...no joke intended) but I aint holding my breath.

I totally agree. Folks more worried about his weight than the fact that he showed he couldn't play. And they haven't been on the shelf for 3-4 years busting their butts at the last minute just to make weight. He's probably more backup material than starting RT material. Which still has some worth under the positional circumstances, but expectations need to come way down.

But if reclamation of high draft picks who were busts is the route we're gonna take, maybe they can bring Charles Rogers' and Mike Williams' (the WR) careers back to life and solve the WR problem that way. lol

[wildbill1952]

what i dont understand is why everyone assumes the guard is the primary puller. in the packer sweep or buck sweep they are. the counter trey involves the backside guard & tackle both pull, in Gibbs' outside zone whomever has the angle to block down does and the next one over pulls. in a true inside zone scheme "gut" you want a big powerful guard so you can get movement on the massive DTs, in a Shannahan outside zone everyone just reach blocks, in a sense everyone is pulling. in a toss situation usually its just the playside tackle that pulls everyone else reaches. the notion that a big guard wont work due to pulling is relative to scheme, see leonard davis.It's not just pulling. In most zone blocking, the guard and tackle double up on the DT at the snap, but one, usually the guard, then goes after the linebacker after the initial hit. You need a little more speed on the guard to make that downfield block.

Here's a source I found that explains it pretty well.

http://static.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/davie/1440703.html

[Kindred]

Prety sad, Skins fans hopes and dreams rest on the laurels of a man who hasn't played football in years.

:hysterical:


We're treating him like any draft pick. Somebody with a lot of promise and potential, but has yet to prove himself. We have other options that are likely ahead of Mike Williams on the depth chart, but the come back story of a former 4th round pick with all the apparent tools and physical abilities to excel is definitely exciting.

[Spear]

There is a physical cost to losing that much weight that quickly. Taking in enough calories to maintain lean body mass (strength, structural integrity) while having enough of a calorie deficit to prompt the body to burn excess fat is almost impossible. Crossing some arbitrary weight threshold is not going to make him miraculously go from zero to hero. He needs time at that weight to settle in and the faster he gets there, the more time he's going to need, because he'll be that much weaker and more brittle for having rushed the process.

My prediction: He loses the weight and makes it to camp, but pulls a muscle in practice and never contributes in a meaningful way.

[SkinsTribeVA]

We're treating him like any draft pick. Somebody with a lot of promise and potential, but has yet to prove himself. We have other options that are likely ahead of Mike Williams on the depth chart, but the come back story of a former 4th round pick with all the apparent tools and physical abilities to excel is definitely exciting.

He's a former 4th OVERALL pick, not 4th-rounder.

[Kindred]

He's a former 4th OVERALL pick, not 4th-rounder.


sorry thats what i meant to write

[NYSkins23]

This thread feels Weird... I'm out of here!

I spit my coffee all over my computer after reading this. Funny stuff Portis!!!:thumbsup:

[Adam291]

There is a physical cost to losing that much weight that quickly. Taking in enough calories to maintain lean body mass (strength, structural integrity) while having enough of a calorie deficit to prompt the body to burn excess fat is almost impossible. Crossing some arbitrary weight threshold is not going to make him miraculously go from zero to hero. He needs time at that weight to settle in and the faster he gets there, the more time he's going to need, because he'll be that much weaker and more brittle for having rushed the process.

My prediction: He loses the weight and makes it to camp, but pulls a muscle in practice and never contributes in a meaningful way.
But we don't really know his abilities. Sure, he'll lose fat and muscle, but that may still put him on par with with other linemen depending on how his body is now. Linemen come in all shapes and sizes, and with some hovering around 300lbs, I find it hard to believe that a 350-370lb guy will be weak and brittle. It'll be a change and something for him to get used to, but it's not like he's losing 300 lbs with all his muscle mass gone. Plus, he's training now and is constantly working his body to where it needs to be. Injury is possible (as it is with every football player) but I don't think losing 30-50lbs will make him worse off.

[Pedro]

There is a physical cost to losing that much weight that quickly. Taking in enough calories to maintain lean body mass (strength, structural integrity) while having enough of a calorie deficit to prompt the body to burn excess fat is almost impossible.

Is it?

I thought it was simply a question of enough Protein/Amino Acids to maintain muscle repair but not enough protein/carbs that there's an excess that is used as energy instead of the fat you are trying to lose. Timing of nutrient ingestion is the key so as protein is used as protein instead of energy.

I could well be wrong though because I don't understand 'Taking in enough calories to maintain lean body mass'. Calories to me means energy. You either burn it or store it as fat. It's not required in large amounts to build muscle though, hence the chicken/egg white/rice/supplements diet of bodybuilders.

[rk3025]

300# impossible for Mike so your team needs a little guy


imo 370 is still waay to heavy for O-line Tackle. I'd like to see him at 300 =)

[skinny21]

I totally agree. Folks more worried about his weight than the fact that he showed he couldn't play. And they haven't been on the shelf for 3-4 years busting their butts at the last minute just to make weight. He's probably more backup material than starting RT material. Which still has some worth under the positional circumstances, but expectations need to come way down.

But if reclamation of high draft picks who were busts is the route we're gonna take, maybe they can bring Charles Rogers' and Mike Williams' (the WR) careers back to life and solve the WR problem that way. lol

I think the expectations (for most anyway) are reasonable. He doesn't have to be a stud, just better than our other options... which is certainly doable.

His natural talent and his experience are more than what Heyer (not knocking Heyer, it's just that if he is a good tackle in this league he will have overachieved) and Bridges bring to the table.

His weight and time off are question marks of course, but shouldn't be difficult to overcome.

The real question to me is if he will be able to make it through the season. My guess is that most of us that are excited by Williams' presence feel that he can be an upgrade, hearty competition, or at the least a solid backup.

By the way (to whomever mentioned this)... weight loss will not leave Williams weak and brittle, not unless he's being trained/advised by idiots.

[Spear]

Is it?

I thought it was simply a question of enough Protein/Amino Acids to maintain muscle repair but not enough protein/carbs that there's an excess that is used as energy instead of the fat you are trying to lose. Timing of nutrient ingestion is the key so as protein is used as protein instead of energy.

I could well be wrong though because I don't understand 'Taking in enough calories to maintain lean body mass'. Calories to me means energy. You either burn it or store it as fat. It's not required in large amounts to build muscle though, hence the chicken/egg white/rice/supplements diet of bodybuilders.

You have to take into account the bioavailability of protein. Of the protein you ingest, only a percentage is put to structural use by your body. Some protein is more bioavailable than others, but excess protein is always a part of the equation. There's no such thing as 100% utilization.

So, to maintain lean mass during periods of weight loss, you have to take in more protein than you'd think is fair or humane. And of that, X percentage is going to be excess protein that is either converted to energy (calories) or excreted.

Timing is a consideration. After a workout, your body will catch a higher percentage of the bioavailable protein than it normally would, but it's not practical to take in all of your daily protein during that window, nor is it realistic to only consume protein of the highest Biological Value. Even if you did, there would still be an overhead of excess protein and therefore excess calories. It's unavoidable.

When I talk about caloric intake, I'm referring to the indirect correlation that muscles need protein and protein contains calories. I don't mean to imply that muscles require calories. But any body builder will tell you how many calories he has to take in on a given day and the number is absurd. Much higher than you may think it is. To break down muscles you have to exert them and that requires energy. On top of that, their protein requirements are astronomical. The key is that they avoid the saturated fats and high-glycemic carbohydrates. If only Mike Williams had done that to begin with.

[Spear]

But we don't really know his abilities. Sure, he'll lose fat and muscle, but that may still put him on par with with other linemen depending on how his body is now. Linemen come in all shapes and sizes, and with some hovering around 300lbs, I find it hard to believe that a 350-370lb guy will be weak and brittle. It'll be a change and something for him to get used to, but it's not like he's losing 300 lbs with all his muscle mass gone. Plus, he's training now and is constantly working his body to where it needs to be. Injury is possible (as it is with every football player) but I don't think losing 30-50lbs will make him worse off.I didn't say he'd be weak and brittle, just weaker and more brittle than if he had attained that weight at a more nominal pace. But at that size, he's going to need every bit of strength and durability to be able to stay healthy while performing at an NFL level.

He's also been out of the league for a while and NFL abuse is going to be foreign to his body. A lot of people consider the cardiovascular and power conditioning of athletes, but they rarely consider that their bodies are far more conditioned to absorb the physical stresses of their sport than a normal in-shape human body. That conditioning, like the others, is easily lost if idle for too long.

Yes, injuries are not uncommon, but that's my point. If players with stable weight that are conditioned to take NFL punishment get hurt, what chance does a 360lb Mike Williams have? I'll be amazed if he makes it through a week in full pads.

[theboomking]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/01/redskins-mike-williams-down-to-380-pounds/

Williams is down to 380, which isn't such big news. I think the bigger news is that his new stated goal is to get down to 345, which was his playing weight at Texas. Given that he has already come down from 450 this year, the smart money says that another 35 pound is well within reach by the beginning of the season. Even if he doesn't beat out Heyer by the beginning of the season, the odds of both Heyer and Samuels staying healthy for the whole year seem slim. I'm guessing that if Williams is able to get onto the field at 345 pounds, he isn't going to give up that spot in the starting rotation.

[bowhunter]

So, to maintain lean mass during periods of weight loss, you have to take in more protein than you'd think is fair or humane. And of that, X percentage is going to be excess protein that is either converted to energy (calories) or excreted.
.

Not to bust your chops here, but unless Big Mike has somehow mastered photosynthesis, I don't think he can convert protein into a net energy gain.

[Justsomeguy]

380!! About 20 more pounds and he should be at a safe playing weight

[Stew]

380!! About 20 more pounds and he should be at a safe playing weight

Shoot, ten more pounds and he will be at what he came out of college at... He is almost there.


:::puts on song "Everybody's working for the weekend":::

[Enforcer_FFX]

Steady progress! Nice - keep working hard, Mike, and prove yourself in the preseason.

[Westbrook36]

Mike Williams is going to get JC killed if he EVER has to pass block.

[theboomking]

Mike Williams is going to get JC killed if he EVER has to pass block.

I'm not sure there is any reason to think he would be worse than Heyer, who needs constant help, and DID nearly get Campbell killed by Kerney 2 years ago in the playoffs. Mike's best attribute is supposed to be his feet and his athleticism. He has also started more games at ORT than Heyer. i hope Heyer improves, but at this point he seems to be a career journeyman at best.

[derekc4]

I'm not sure there is any reason to think he would be worse than Heyer, who needs constant help, and DID nearly get Campbell killed by Kerney 2 years ago in the playoffs. Mike's best attribute is supposed to be his feet and his athleticism. He has also started more games at ORT than Heyer. i hope Heyer improves, but at this point he seems to be a career journeyman at best.

That was Collins.

[ntotoro]

I'm not sure there is any reason to think he would be worse than Heyer, who needs constant help, and DID nearly get Campbell killed by Kerney 2 years ago in the playoffs. Mike's best attribute is supposed to be his feet and his athleticism. He has also started more games at ORT than Heyer. i hope Heyer improves, but at this point he seems to be a career journeyman at best.

Campbell has never played in a playoff game.

Williams has never played in a game of any sort in a few years. Matter of fact, he's almost the definition of a never-was. Heyer has the advantage, if we're strictly speaking between the two of them.

[BALLz]

The good news is, at 380 lbs, Williams is not the heaviest player in the NFL right now. I believe that honor goes to one Herman Johnson, weighing in at 382lbs. I seem to remember a few members of this bored clamoring about him and his "size", while suggesting we draft him in the later rounds.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

The good news is, at 380 lbs, Williams is not the heaviest player in the NFL right now. I believe that honor goes to one Herman Johnson, weighing in at 382lbs. I seem to remember a few members of this bored clamoring about him and his "size", while suggesting we draft him in the later rounds.


what team is that guy on?

[Dick Edds]

I still don't get why folks seem to think that Heyer has already reached his full potential? Are people basing these assumptions on his performance the past two years? If so, I would still disagree, he showed marked improvement from year 1 to year 2. Of course he is still going to have his weaknesses and areas of needed improvement, but who doesn't?

The HOGS didn't just become the best OL in the game once they strapped on a helmet, almost all of those guys were developed, groomed and needed experience and practice to become the players they were. There is this myth that because Heyer was an UDFA, and struggled (as a rookie and soph) in run blocking that he is not going to get any better? From what I have seen of him on redskins nation he looks to have gotten stronger and looks like he is in really good shape.

I guess I just don't understand the reasoning behind why so many people are writing this kid off already. With Jansen gone, there will be a healthy battle for the RT spot in Training camp, and regardless of who starts the season at RT, all of those guys are gonna be needed at some point or another to step in, they're all going to get playing time. Heyer can also slide to the left should Samuels suffer injury. Is Heyer the next Samuels? NO. But that does not mean the kid can't play and going to be relegated to backup duty his entire career.

As for Mike Williams, I am pulling for him big time and think he is going to come through for us at some point this year. maybe not in week 1 of the regular season, but eventually he is gonna contribute, IMO of course.

[jrmooref]

Not to bust your chops here, but unless Big Mike has somehow mastered photosynthesis, I don't think he can convert protein into a net energy gain.

Not to bust your chops or anything, but photosynthesis is the conversion of carbon dioxide to sugar and oxygen, using energy from light. Protein, fat and carbohydrates that are consumed by humans are converted to energy through the process of metabolism.

[BALLz]

what team is that guy on?


Arizona, they drafted him this year.

[flexxskins]

380!! About 20 more pounds and he should be at a safe playing weightI believe that 370 is his goal.

So, he's only got 10 more to go and he's where he wants to be.

[LeftCoast Skinz FAN]

Congrats Big Mike, way to go!!!!

[theboomking]

I don't think anyone dislike Heyer. I just think that while he may improve and be an adequate starter, he doesn't look like he has the potential to be a pro-bowl player. It doesn't sound like he has improved by orders of magnitude this off season. Zorn's most recent quote regarding Heyer, about how he has improved, but still has work to do, didn't sound like an overwhelming vote of confidence. Zorn has talked openly about how much better Devin Thomas looks, but we haven't heard a lot of glowing praise about Heyer.

I know this is subjective, but to my ear, Zorn sounds much more glowing of his appraisal of mike williams, with his concern not being technique, explosion, or footwork, but whether he can hold up at this weight. William's has much more control over his weight, than Heyer does over his deficiencies.

Heyer looks like he is currently leading the competition soley because he is not too heavy to play, and is the incumbant. Bridges started at ORT for Carolina. Does anybody here think Heyer would have been better than a depth player at Carolina?

My real measuring stick for our solution at OT, is not who starts the first preseason, or even regular season game. I want to see who is the started by the middle of the season. I think there is a better than 50% chance that that player is not Heyer. I suspect that if it is Heyer, it is because Williams and Bridges didn't look very good, or couldn't stay healthy. I would love to be wrong, so please refer me back to this post if Heyer is starting and we are able to run to the right with any regularity and are in the top third of the league in sacks allowed.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Campbell has never played in a playoff game.

Williams has never played in a game of any sort in a few years. Matter of fact, he's almost the definition of a never-was. Heyer has the advantage, if we're strictly speaking between the two of them.

I still like Bridges as my darkhorse...

He has experience starting for a good team in the NFL.

[Redskin Rush]

Not to bust your chops or anything, but photosynthesis is the conversion of carbon dioxide to sugar and oxygen, using energy from light. Protein, fat and carbohydrates that are consumed by humans are converted to energy through the process of metabolism.

Tell em Bill Nye!

Until he convert a 2 year absence from football into an ability to play 60 mins it wont matter.

[Stadium-Armory]

I'm no physical trainer, but it seems to me that he wasn't very sucessful at this level at 370 - maybe he should be shootin for something leaner. I just wonder if 370 is a sucessful playing weight for him.

[BALLz]

I'm no physical trainer, but it seems to me that he wasn't very sucessful at this level at 370 - maybe he should be shootin for something leaner. I just wonder if 370 is a sucessful playing weight for him.


I believe in an interview with Steinberg, he said he hope to be down to 345 lbs by training camp.

[Stadium-Armory]

I believe in an interview with Steinberg, he said he hope to be down to 345 lbs by training camp.

That seems to make more sense to me. If that's the case, he's still 40lbs or so away.

[Justsomeguy]

I believe in an interview with Steinberg, he said he hope to be down to 345 lbs by training camp.
He did say that he wanted to be down to 345 (his college playing weight) but I don't believe he stipulated before training camp. Though that would be nice cause once he shakes the dust off he could be a good addition for us.

[Stew]

He did say that he wanted to be down to 345 (his college playing weight) but I don't believe he stipulated before training camp. Though that would be nice cause once he shakes the dust off he could be a good addition for us.

I think he will feel comfortable and hover somewhere around 350 if he wants to drop twenty more pounds from his 370 origanal goal.

Remember, what he is losing in weight, will translate to quickness. Ive read that he is already nimble, and with 4th pick overall talent and some NFL experience under his belt... combine that with the drive and ambition he is displaying... he may very well make an impact on this team this season.

[boofMcboof]

How fast and how much weight can you lose before it starts posing some kind of risk as an athlete? Seems like he's shed quite a bit in a short amount of time.

[Oldskool]

How fast and how much weight can you lose before it starts posing some kind of risk as an athlete? Seems like he's shed quite a bit in a short amount of time.

You better bet your last dime that this is all done under the strict observation of the Skins medical staff, if not also a 3rd party dietitian paid by the club. The last thing that the club wants is for something to go wrong health wise, which could result in a lawsuit, and more importantly a possible life threatening condition for Williams.

[Dick Edds]

I don't think anyone dislike Heyer. I just think that while he may improve and be an adequate starter, he doesn't look like he has the potential to be a pro-bowl player. It doesn't sound like he has improved by orders of magnitude this off season. Zorn's most recent quote regarding Heyer, about how he has improved, but still has work to do, didn't sound like an overwhelming vote of confidence. Zorn has talked openly about how much better Devin Thomas looks, but we haven't heard a lot of glowing praise about Heyer.

I know this is subjective, but to my ear, Zorn sounds much more glowing of his appraisal of mike williams, with his concern not being technique, explosion, or footwork, but whether he can hold up at this weight. William's has much more control over his weight, than Heyer does over his deficiencies.

Heyer looks like he is currently leading the competition soley because he is not too heavy to play, and is the incumbant. Bridges started at ORT for Carolina. Does anybody here think Heyer would have been better than a depth player at Carolina?

My real measuring stick for our solution at OT, is not who starts the first preseason, or even regular season game. I want to see who is the started by the middle of the season. I think there is a better than 50% chance that that player is not Heyer. I suspect that if it is Heyer, it is because Williams and Bridges didn't look very good, or couldn't stay healthy. I would love to be wrong, so please refer me back to this post if Heyer is starting and we are able to run to the right with any regularity and are in the top third of the league in sacks allowed.

All fair points and you may very well be right, I just don't think we can write this kid off just yet, it'd be a bit pre-mature IMO. He doesn't need to be all world, or even all-pro. Of course that would be nice; and if Big Mike or Bridges can beat him out then that is what is best for the team, and I would still like Heyer as a backup ... because he is young and still developing and I like the fact that we have a kid like Heyer ready to step in. Hail.

[Stew]

How fast and how much weight can you lose before it starts posing some kind of risk as an athlete? Seems like he's shed quite a bit in a short amount of time.

As long as he is maintaining muscle mass and strengthening/conditioning his tendons and ligaments I think he will be ok. I think he is working with team diaticians and or trainers, I have faith.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

This reminds me of an old old Bloom County cartoon where Oprah is announcing a weight loss and Opus is yelling, "You're still too fat!"

[Ned Flanders]

Breakings News: Mike Williams just pinched a duece and is now at 376lbs!!! GO MIKE!

[Tennessee Ed]

LMAO at the tags:rotflmao:

[CounterTrey75]

From hogshaven.com:

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/6/3/89...illiams-weight

Since I have so little to do at work today, I thought it would be beneficial to graphically track Mike Williams weight as the race to training camp starts using a handy web app from WeightTracker.com. Combing the news sites, I have been able to piece together Mike's starting weight, progressive weights, and his ultimate milestone goals for OTAs and training camp. He was 6 pounds over-weight for his June 1st milestone, but nevertheless, he still came close. I'll keep updating this as we approach training camp.

[HighOnHendrix]

The good news is, at 380 lbs, Williams is not the heaviest player in the NFL right now. I believe that honor goes to one Herman Johnson, weighing in at 382lbs. I seem to remember a few members of this bored clamoring about him and his "size", while suggesting we draft him in the later rounds.

Was that a pun or a Freudian slip? :)

[titus3]

370 lbs. at OTAs but injured...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/quad-pull-keeps-mike-williams.html

[MrJL]

I think even if Williams isn't quite ready I'd see about putting him on the Physically Unable to Perfrom list and activating him in the season.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Breakings News: Mike Williams just pinched a duece and is now at 376lbs!!! GO MIKE!LoL!!

[dockeryfan]

I love the tags on this thread.

[dellman]

wow, you guys really have a thing for Mike Williams on this board, don't you.

I would be less worried about his weight and more concerned about his ability.I really don't understand why the Skins haven't been targeting him as a guard since his 350-360 pounds in September would be great along the interior and would not require him to be as nimble and light of foot as the tackle position.

I personally, and this is just me, don;t expect him to win the starting right tackle position because while Williams has been working with his salads, nutri-system, and fleet enemas, HEYER has been busy working with the offensive line and coaches on pass blocking.

Ya just don't leave the NFL for 3 years and walk back into it overweight and slow and expect to take a starting position. He is unrealistic when he said "I din't come here not to" That is just preposterous.

Heyer has the head start and is looking better with every rep and once camp begins, Heyer's youth and familiarity with the system in year TWO will be highlighted and applauded by all of us, while Williams will still be struggling against speed rushers from the outside.

Williams, and this is a prediction, will eventually replace Randy Thomas, and will work ALONGSIDE Heyer and not replace Heyer.

[Morneblade]

Williams, and this is a prediction, will eventually replace Randy Thomas, and will work ALONGSIDE Heyer and not replace Heyer.

I could see this happening as well. I'm not sure if any of it happens this year though. I think he's going to need a year back in football before he has a real chance of challenging anyone for a starting job.

[RabidFan]

I gotta say he looked slimmer this week compared to last week's OTAs....good for Mike working hard....if he gets in shape and is a backup this year i think he's a great fill-in for injury and could be a starter next year for another 5 years at OT or OG....I'm glad we got him.

[chipwhich]

I would be less worried about his weight and more concerned about his ability.


According to Doc Walker on the radio the dude was an absolute piledriver. Impressed him more than any other olineman.

Ability doesn't just vanish. Desire and nastiness might.

[dellman]

I could see this happening as well. I'm not sure if any of it happens this year though. I think he's going to need a year back in football before he has a real chance of challenging anyone for a starting job.

thats what I was talking about. I see Williams starting all right...as a backup! He could be a valuabel backup along the offensive line especially on goal line situations or 3rd and 1 situations. He can come in for Randy Thomas or if Heyer is injured or needs rest. Even is Samuels is injured Williams can come in alongside Dock on running plays and 700 pounds of men can PILEDRIVE up the left side of the field.

[Kindred]

thats what I was talking about. I see Williams starting all right...as a backup! He could be a valuabel backup along the offensive line especially on goal line situations or 3rd and 1 situations. He can come in for Randy Thomas or if Heyer is injured or needs rest. Even is Samuels is injured Williams can come in alongside Dock on running plays and 700 pounds of men can PILEDRIVE up the left side of the field.


Or he could rotate in with the others to keep our line fresh. Our line was really struggling down the stretch last year.

[BALLz]

According to Matt Terl's blog, Mike Williams is headed to Arizona to work out for a bit and did a quick weigh in before he left. He is currently at 365lbs.


EDIT:Here's the link http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/19/friday-june-19-mike-williams-actually-is-looking-for-a-chef/#continued

[icbmayday]

He dropped the weight lets see if he can play now. None the less congradulations for weighing in at 365 Mr. Williams

[dg28daman]

That really is incredible that he was able to lose that much weight in such a short time. I'm still concerned how it affected his strength, but hopefully he can come in and play.

[#98QBKiller]

Or he could rotate in with the others to keep our line fresh. Our line was really struggling down the stretch last year.


Exactly right. Whether he earns the starting job or not, it's starting to sound like he's going to get a place on the 53 man roster, even if it's for depth. We need plenty of depth on the OL because last year and in 2007 we were hurting down the stretch.

[DGREENHULK]

Exactly right. Whether he earns the starting job or not, it's starting to sound like he's going to get a place on the 53 man roster, even if it's for depth. We need plenty of depth on the OL because last year and in 2007 we were hurting down the stretch.


I think so too but now you have ask yourself...do we keep all 3 guys...Heyer/Bridges and Williams. It always comes down to a numbers game....

[AJWatson3]

Well, Heyer has experience at LT also and I don't know if we have another backup there. If we keep all 3 at RT we'll be protecting the blind-side also... and Samuls has been getting banged up recently and he is getting up there in age...

edit:
Bridges also has experience at the guard position from his time in CAR if I am not mistaken. He could turn out to be one of those versatile linemen you could plug in anywhere.

[Pedro]

I'm liking the 365lbs. 350lbs for TC, 340lbs for the first preseason game and 330lbs come the Giants.

Simples ;)

[GothSkinsFan]

Pro Bowl alt., guaranteed. ESPN love. Paloffs!

[Skins PR]

Deleted....

[Stew]

Id factor this into your thought process when drafting Portis in Fantasy this season. Big upgrade on the O-line, more depth with the addition of Bridges and Williams, Reinhart seems ready and hungry as well... and another year for Heyer to improve, work on technique, strength, etc.

Also might want to facor in portis' tiff with Zorn though as well.

[onnie007]

Id factor this into your thought process when drafting Portis in Fantasy this season. Big upgrade on the O-line, more depth with the addition of Bridges and Williams, Reinhart seems ready and hungry as well... and another year for Heyer to improve, work on technique, strength, etc.

Also might want to facor in portis' tiff with Zorn though as well.

This is great news! I think Mike Williams has the natural frame to be a beast and now that his weight is down he will show what he can do. I think he would make an excellent guard. Either way we are upgraded with his presence.

[HighOnHendrix]

I think so too but now you have ask yourself...do we keep all 3 guys...Heyer/Bridges and Williams. It always comes down to a numbers game....

Enter the coaching staff.

[posse87]

If Rhinehart can step up and get some playing time, there will be several versatile players on the line. Rhinhart can play both tackle and guard positions. Bridges can play guard and Heyer can play both tackle positions. If Williams can become a mauler and stay healthy he could be much needed critical depth. I would really like to know Budges opinion on this. If the line can have some quality young depth and solid starting play, my hat is off to Vinny and the scouting evaluation department.

[polywog999]

Williams is NOT going to be a guard. They got him on the off chance he could become a tackle. His foot work is not the problem...

[Voice_of_Reason]

I don't know if anybody caught this the other day, but they were showing clips of the o-linemen doing the sideways footwork drill over the little barriers, (I have no idea what this drill is called) but you have to move your feet very quickly and move sideways, while in a pass blocking positions, to work on having quick feet.

And they showed Mike Williams, and MAN, he had quick feet. He was the fastest of the guys they showed. I was really impressed.

This is a very good sign. Of the three guys, the guy who has the most talent is certainly Mike W. He's bigger (obviously), probably stronger and faster than the other 2. So we'll see. I personally hope that he can make the lineup, Heyer is the backup at LT. And they should keep all 3 if they can.

[jweisk1]

I thought he was a long shot at making the team however now he seems like he might actually have a chance to snag the starting job

[RenegadeTK]

im glad he came back before it was too late to capitalize on his potential

[Adam291]

Speaking on just his weight, Williams could probably start a game right now at 365. I think that was his playing weight in college or when he was in the league, so now that we know he's getting more and more in shape, it's definitely encouraging and gives me optimism we can have at least a good o-line.

[HighOnHendrix]

Mike Williams is going to get JC killed if he EVER has to pass block.

From what I have read, he is a better pass blocker than run blocker. I'd want to see him in training camp before I pass down a judgement as rash as that. Each to their own.

[Dr Drunkenstein]

From what I have read, he is a better pass blocker than run blocker. I'd want to see him in training camp before I pass down a judgement as rash as that. Each to their own.


As a fanatical Longhorn alumnus who watched just about every game MW played in college, he was an excellent run blocker who ate up a lot of guys who are playing now in the league.

[Leonard Washington]

As a fanatical Longhorn alumnus who watched just about every game MW played in college, he was an excellent run blocker who ate up a lot of guys who are playing now in the league.

too easy.

[Hooterman]

Washington Re: Official Mike Williams Status Thread

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
As a fanatical Longhorn alumnus who watched just about every game MW played in college, he was an excellent run blocker who ate up a lot of guys who are playing now in the league.

too easy.
June-20th-2009 11:48 PM
Dr Drunkenstein Re: Official Mike Williams Status Thread

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighOnHendrix
From what I have read, he is a better pass blocker than run blocker. I'd want to see him in training camp before I pass down a judgement as rash as that. Each to their own.


As a fanatical Longhorn alumnus who watched just about every game MW played in college, he was an excellent run blocker who ate up a lot of guys who are playing now in the league.




That is way too funny...

[Ford]

As a fanatical Longhorn alumnus

Hey .. no one's perfect ;)

[fnkdctr(007)]

360 he probably will start IMO it seems to be the best option. Use Heyer as depth unless Heter comes into camp beasty

[Skins PR]

I'm happy for the guy but I can't see him staying healthy for an entire season as the starter. It's one thing, albeit a very impressive thing, to lose a ton of weight in a matter of months when you're as out of shape as he was. It's an entirely different matter to have your body ready for the strain of an NFL season. Eventually something will have to give.

[MartinC]

360 he probably will start IMO it seems to be the best option. Use Heyer as depth unless Heter comes into camp beasty

Lets see how he goes in preseason before we start getting ahead of ourselves. Can he develop the stamina to last a full game and come back the week after and do it again? What does he look like with pads on and full contact?

I get we are hoping for a miracle and saviour to lock down that RT spot but its pushing things to think that a guy who who has already failed to live up to his draft staus, has been out of football for 2 years and who was 450 a few weeks ago will win the starting gig. If he does it says a lot about the other players on the roster.

Personally I think its odds on Heyer wins that job with Bridges being his closest competition. Williams will have his work cut to out to make the final 53 man roster.

[Kindred]

The man is playing with his back against the wall, knowing this is his one and only last chance to make it back into the NFL. Hopefully he plays like the number 4 overall draft pick he was meant to be.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I take it that he is still alive.

[Voice_of_Reason]

I take it that he is still alive.
Yes, lost about the equivalent weight of an 8th grader, and is going to Arizona for additional workouts.

[dellman]

Does anybody know what he had for lunch today...and did his bowels move this evening?

I would really appreciate an update because I'm starved for Redskins news. It's been at least 24 hours since my last Mike Williams news flash. Please help.

[touchdowntailgate]

I am pulling for Big Mike. I would love to see him make the roster as a backup for this year and possibly a larger(no pun intended) role in years to come. At the very least his heroic weight loss might have saved his life he was eating himself to death.

[Mercuryrising]

Does anybody know what he had for lunch today...and did his bowels move this evening?

I would really appreciate an update because I'm starved for Redskins news. It's been at least 24 hours since my last Mike Williams news flash. Please help.

No one forces you to read this thread.... It is what it is, plainly and clearly labeled.

Any scatological issue/fixation you may have should be treated by a mental health professional....

[ConnSKINS26]

I must say, the rate that he is losing weight is encouraging. Let's hope it translates to success on the field, and I mean REAL success, not just mediocre, because our offense could reeeally use an above average RT this coming season. Please football gods, let this pick-up be looked at as genius looking back on this coming season. Please.

[IbleedBnG83]

The man is on a mission. If he is this dedicated to his weight loss, I can only imagine how he is approaching the game. If he works out to even be a solid backup swing tackle, I will be EXTREMELY happy!!!

[RandyHolt]

I dont see us rotating linemen. Coaches seem to like the continuity thing on the offensive line. I personally dont. Almost every other position on the team has fresh guys rotating in. Joe Gibbs for one despised injuries on the offensive line because it disrupted continuity. But our offensive line is aging and somewhat injury prone. Samuels Thomas and even Heyer seem to get nicked up every year. I would love to see a big Mike Williams sighting on 3rd and short or in goal line situations, but we just love Yoder and Alexander over that monster OL.

Look at what Baltimore did to us in short yardage. I hope Zorn follows their lead and starts being a bit more dynamic on offense. We were too predictable last year, and getting a Mike Williams type into the game (um not sure if he is a run or pass guy yet :doh:) catering to his strengths would be a welcome sight. Go hurry up for once mid game; go with your pass blocking studs, change it up Zorn.

Hopefully Mike Williams will help solve our line woes.

[ntotoro]

360 he probably will start IMO it seems to be the best option. Use Heyer as depth unless Heter comes into camp beasty

Just because his weight is down isn't a guarantee. The guy underachieved when he first got to this league, so we can't expect he'll be even better with time off.

[IbleedBnG83]

Even if he is not the starter on Day 1, it just may take him a while to get back into game shape and into the speed of the game. I am willing to bet he can be a big contributor down the road.

[DCMONEY]

The Skins front office once again short don't invest in the O-line. Even if Mike Williams works out, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. It means they got lucky. Most teams that stay competitive keep their O-line up to par. The Skins these days don't do that. I can'r believe tehy would let Jansen go, not knowing what Milliams can do. We all know that Heyer isn't particularly strong run blocking. Jansen was older but played hurt the last 2 years. So they're gambling on Mike Williams over Jon Jansen? I like some others just hope this season turns out different. I don't even get all pumped up to get let down.

[flexxskins]

Even if he is not the starter on Day 1, it just may take him a while to get back into game shape and into the speed of the game. I am willing to bet he can be a big contributor down the road.Well, I'm not willing to bet anything just yet that he can be a big contributor. He has don/shown anything yet.

But, I've definitely got my fingers crossed that big Mike makes a successful come back. I can just imagine Mike blocking out there in open space, he'd be a natural pancake machine.:)

[phishisthegreatstuff]

Does anybody know what he had for lunch today...and did his bowels move this evening?

I would really appreciate an update because I'm starved for Redskins news. It's been at least 24 hours since my last Mike Williams news flash. Please help.


hahahahaha

[flexxskins]

The Skins front office once again short don't invest in the O-line. Even if Mike Williams works out, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. It means they got lucky. Most teams that stay competitive keep their O-line up to par. The Skins these days don't do that. I can'r believe tehy would let Jansen go, not knowing what Milliams can do. We all know that Heyer isn't particularly strong run blocking. Jansen was older but played hurt the last 2 years. So they're gambling on Mike Williams over Jon Jansen? I like some others just hope this season turns out different. I don't even get all pumped up to get let down.I understand how some could feel that way, but I don't think that we are just relying totally on what big Mike can do. Don't forget the fact that we have Jeremy Bridges on the team also. I personally am hoping that a few of these rookie free agents pan out, especially the rookie C Edwin Williams.

[abdcskins]

I had a dream last night that Mike Williams was playing basketball and running sand dunes on some isolated island preparing for the season. He couldn't play last season because he wasn't fit enough, and he was trying to lose weight and condition himself. True story. Foreshadowing towards a great season?

[Kindred]

I had a dream last night that Mike Williams was playing basketball and running sand dunes on some isolated island preparing for the season. He couldn't play last season because he wasn't fit enough, and he was trying to lose weight and condition himself. True story. Foreshadowing towards a great season?


No, it just means you dream of big guys working out.

[abdcskins]

No, it just means you dream of big guys working out.

True. But my recollection of dreams are intermittent. In the same dream I was chilling in a jacuzzi and these young kids from Germany get in and are talking about how their father is an engineer and creates computer chips. And I'm like cool. Then I was drving cross country and found a landing strip that acted as a road, but it really was a video game and I wanted to go pillage small houses for extra bonus points. True story.

[ConnSKINS26]

No, it just means you dream of big guys working out.

:hysterical: My analysis also. I'd see a psychologist.

[Kindred]

True. But my recollection of dreams are intermittent. In the same dream I was chilling in a jacuzzi and these young kids from Germany get in and are talking about how their father is an engineer and creates computer chips. And I'm like cool. Then I was drving cross country and found a landing strip that acted as a road, but it really was a video game and I wanted to go pillage small houses for extra bonus points. True story.


my expert analysis of your dream concludes that you're suffering from a severe drought of football, sex, and other manly things and need a serious infusion asap.

[hfmonk]

Such creativity... where did you come up with this idea??


To the OP,
Why did you put all those forward slashes that makes your thread difficult to read?

I didnt think this was a political forum.....but just to correct you.....Obama is a Republican in Democratic clothing. Stop inferring that he is socialist...with all these bailouts of big companies and not giving money to the poor and middle class, he is as capitalistic as W....Now back to Williams....

He is a waist....waste of a place on the roster.
He is heavy and never shown the talent he showed in college.

[dellman]

No one forces you to read this thread.... It is what it is, plainly and clearly labeled.

Any scatological issue/fixation you may have should be treated by a mental health professional....

No one forced you to read my reply. If it bothers you check yourself into a mental health facility..or take your abilify.

[HOGZ]

Ladies..........

[hogghead]

Didnt see this posted but Big Mike is at 365 pounds and on his way to working out in Arizona. He will probably be at 350 by the start of training camp.:saber:

:saber:

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

I didnt think this was a political forum.....but just to correct you.....Obama is a Republican in Democratic clothing. Stop inferring that he is socialist...with all these bailouts of big companies and not giving money to the poor and middle class, he is as capitalistic as W....Now back to Williams....

He is a waist....waste of a place on the roster.
He is heavy and never shown the talent he showed in college.

I don't think I see a single truthful thing in this post. Except about W.

[hfmonk]

I don't think I see a single truthful thing in this post. Except about W.
You like Williams?
You really have been fooled by the FO.
He is another of those players that the FO talks up and cuts in the second week of TC.

[Mercuryrising]

No one forced you to read my reply. If it bothers you check yourself into a mental health facility..or take your abilify.

The difference of course being: that the title of the thread clearly let you know that this was about continuous updates about Mike Williams (giving you plenty of chance to avoid reading them if uninterested), however it gave me no clear warning of a wierdo posting to complain about what he should have known was in the thread before even entering it, and using scatological reference to pleasure himself.... Now **** off already....

[Skins PR]

Mike Williams is 1/8th Cherokee.

[bigyim]

The Skins front office once again short don't invest in the O-line. Even if Mike Williams works out, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. It means they got lucky. Most teams that stay competitive keep their O-line up to par. The Skins these days don't do that. I can'r believe tehy would let Jansen go, not knowing what Milliams can do. We all know that Heyer isn't particularly strong run blocking. Jansen was older but played hurt the last 2 years. So they're gambling on Mike Williams over Jon Jansen? I like some others just hope this season turns out different. I don't even get all pumped up to get let down.
The "gamble" is Heyer over Jansen. The backup is Bridges, and the "what the Hell" flyer is Williams.
Remeber, they saw enough from Heyer to make him the starter over Jansen last year...Heyer only lost the starting job due to injury, a 6-2 start and an offense that needed to be run-heavy to give them the best chance to win.

However, WCOs aren't traditionally run-oriented like Washington's attack was last year...the best WCO coorinators consider the short pass almost as effective as a running game. The old saying is to "pass to set up the run".

If Zorn's version of the WCO is going to get it's training wheels off thi year, it has to get the right personnel on the field.

While you may think Heyer isn't part of the "right personnel", the Washington brass has been consistent in asserting that it's definitely not Jansen, either.

[SkinsTribeVA]

Didnt see this posted but Big Mike is at 365 pounds and on his way to working out in Arizona. He will probably be at 350 by the start of training camp.

I saw that. I've been entertained by this story all along, but I can't believe he's already down to 365!! This actually might get intriguing during training camp...

[GothSkinsFan]

Mike Williams is 1/8th Cherokee.

What? Not enough to fill him up? I know he's got an appetite, but let's be realistic.

[illone]

If this guy pans out it'll be Vinny's shining moment.

[dellman]

The difference of course being: that the title of the thread clearly let you know that this was about continuous updates about Mike Williams (giving you plenty of chance to avoid reading them if uninterested), however it gave me no clear warning of a wierdo posting to complain about what he should have known was in the thread before even entering it, and using scatological reference to pleasure himself.... Now **** off already....

While some of the other members found my post humorous during our "down" times here in Redskins land, you found them extremely agitating.

Curious that you would mention seeking mental health help in your reference to me. Perhaps it is you that is taking things a bit too seriously and might I suggest some anger management classes. It may help you to not take your problems out on others. Just calm down and cease and desist with the heavy attitude and insults.

[laxpck]

I heard mike williams eats cherokees and people who take out their anger in life on team message boards.....

I mean I aint saying its right just saying thats the word on the street.

[polywog999]

Great!
You so funny!

[MARK PHILLIPS]

Just saw on Redskins Nation, Vinny said Mike Williams was down to 364 as of 6/25/09.
He is currently in Arizona training along with Samuels(Vinny said Samuels down to 18% body fat,looking good), Dockery, and others.

[MassSkinsFan]

I dont see us rotating linemen. Coaches seem to like the continuity thing on the offensive line. I personally dont. Almost every other position on the team has fresh guys rotating in. Joe Gibbs for one despised injuries on the offensive line because it disrupted continuity. But our offensive line is aging and somewhat injury prone. Samuels Thomas and even Heyer seem to get nicked up every year. I would love to see a big Mike Williams sighting on 3rd and short or in goal line situations, but we just love Yoder and Alexander over that monster OL.

Look at what Baltimore did to us in short yardage. I hope Zorn follows their lead and starts being a bit more dynamic on offense. We were too predictable last year, and getting a Mike Williams type into the game (um not sure if he is a run or pass guy yet :doh:) catering to his strengths would be a welcome sight. Go hurry up for once mid game; go with your pass blocking studs, change it up Zorn.

Hopefully Mike Williams will help solve our line woes.\

I don't know how it is for other positions, because I only ever played OL and some DL, but on OL continuity is a pretty good thing, since you know how your teammate on either side will react in the event something doesn't go according to plan. Also, when is does go per the plan, you know right where they'll be and just what they'll be doing.

This predictability helps you play a bit better. It's hard to describe, but at times it's like you can use each other to cover more ground as a unit because you're all aware of each other's presence. Can anyone put this better (if you know what I mean)?

That said, some substitution is fine, and with our OL situation and recent history, it would be good to do some subbing to help spell guys so we're fresh later in the year.

[dellman]

Dellman, you really need to grow up. Your references to medication and mental health as a way to belittle people are highly offensive.
No one is forcing you to be here.
Act like you are an adult. Please.

And you should act like you can read.

I never mentioned "mental health" in my original post. The person who RESPONDED to me was the one who used the term mental health. Go back and read the original post by mercuryrising. That is the person who said that I should check into a mental health facility if I had scatalogical problems or whatever that crap is he said.

You seem to have the same problem as he does as well. You attack, then give advice that we are all just posting here in the friendly confines of a forum and if somebody doesn't like what they read, then don't come here. Great advice. Why don't you take it? Whats the matter with you anyway?

Seems like you and mercury rising are both coming here to cause trouble and attack people who don't agree with your philosophy. In fact, I believe that you and mercury rising may be the same person.

[RenegadeTK]

Just saw on Redskins Nation, Vinny said Mike Williams was down to 364 as of 6/25/09.
He is currently in Arizona training along with Samuels(Vinny said Samuels down to 18% body fat,looking good), Dockery, and others.

man, that is great to hear. i wonder who all are down there.

[polywog999]

No, I'm just myself and I stand pat behind what I said. Time to move on in the world! Have a nice day.

[cphil006]

Just saw Mike WIlliams on the show Redskins Nation. Good Guy. Good talker. Seems intelligent and he's going to be good.

[DGREENHULK]

It does make you think if Heyer was the answer why would ES have an official Mike Williams Thread. Buges knows there is a 1st Round player under all that fat....and he is determined to get to that player. Watch out for Mike Williams he will make the team bank on it.

[Hunter_R]

Looks liked he's slimming down nicely.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/63958709_c09b77ea30.jpg

:silly:

[ddub52]

I didnt think this was a political forum.....but just to correct you.....Obama is a Republican in Democratic clothing. Stop inferring that he is socialist...with all these bailouts of big companies and not giving money to the poor and middle class, he is as capitalistic as W....Now back to Williams....

He is a waist....waste of a place on the roster.
He is heavy and never shown the talent he showed in college.

31 czars

If he never showed talent in college why was he picked so high?

[redskins55]

Looks liked he's slimming down nicely.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/63958709_c09b77ea30.jpg

:silly:

My word! :(

[eljeasel]

It does make you think if Heyer was the answer why would ES have an official Mike Williams Thread. Buges knows there is a 1st Round player under all that fat....and he is determined to get to that player. Watch out for Mike Williams he will make the team bank on it.

I think he will make the team as well, but that might be more of because we dont have a ton of guys who will beat him out.

If this turns into a big discussion this might be better suited in its own thread:

Heres the starters as is:
Samuels, Dock, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer
You gotta figure Rinehart makes it. Maybe another 2-4 guys on the line as depth.

So who get it between the following:
Montgomery, Mike Williams, Edwin Williams, Riley, Clark, Burley, Bridges, and Batiste.

Gotta figure Bridges will make it cause he can swing G and T. So that leaves a bunch of question marks along with Mike Williams. Buges likes Vets so maybe that hurts the younger guys though I wouldnt call a guy whos been out of the league exactly seasoned.

Anyways, Im rambling as usual. I think the depth guys will be Mike Williams, Bridges, and Ed Williams, maybe with one of the other guys thrown in there. Im hoping he can get in on those short yardage situations at least.

[airs0ft3r]

Looks liked he's slimming down nicely.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/63958709_c09b77ea30.jpg

:silly:

The guy on the left wants some of that.

[eljeasel]

the guy on the left wants some of that.

rofl

[The Diesel]

The guy on the left wants some of that.

HAHA.

He's thinkin about some of that chocolate thunder, isn't he?

[paloffs]

I gotta say, the "trapped in Mike's orbit" tag is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on here.

[TRUBLUFAN]

This thread feels Weird... I'm out of here!

Dude, you literally made LOL!!!!

[CPortJGibbs89]

Vinny just said on the John Thompson show that Mike is down to 354 pounds.

[Cremins]

You beat me to it Cport! Vinny also said Chris Samuels is down to 18% body fat, and that Dockery, Samuels, and Williams are all working out in AZ to stay/get in shape. This is excellent news.

[CPortJGibbs89]

You beat me to it Cport! Vinny also said Chris Samuels is down to 18% body fat, and that Dockery, Samuels, and Williams are all working out in AZ to stay/get in shape. This is excellent news.Haha! I couldnt even find the thread until I did a google search on it. Definitely good new to hear!

[Sandman69]

DAMNIT! Is it September yet?

[pvkeeper19]

Vinny just said on the John Thompson show that Mike is down to 354 pounds.
Larry Michael said last night that he had a big announcement about Big Mike for Redskins Nation tonight. That's probably what this is.

It's really impressive that he's lost 100 lbs so quickly, but that seems too fast to be healthy. Of course, weighing 450 isn't exactly good for you, either.

[bigyim]

It's really impressive that he's lost 100 lbs so quickly, but that seems too fast to be healthy. Of course, weighing 450 isn't exactly good for you, either.

You'd be surprised with how quickly one can lose weight when you're obese (not just slightly over weight).

I watched the "600 Lb. Virgin" show last night, and the best freind/trainer of the title person said that he dropped 40 lbs. a month at the outset, without overly strenuous exercise or severe curbing of diet. That makes 100 lbs. in 7 months seem tame.

[rebornempowered]

It's really impressive that he's lost 100 lbs so quickly, but that seems too fast to be healthy. Of course, weighing 450 isn't exactly good for you, either.

He isn't doing it through some crash diet so I wouldn't worry about him. He is exercising and controlling his intake. It's not like he's throwing down 15 lbs of bacon a day on the Atkin's Diet. :)

I started February of 2009 at 330. I now weigh 257. I have a long ways to go but swimming a mile a day I still can eat more than 2000 calories a day and lose a lot of weight. I am sure they have him really burning a lot of calories and still eating healthy.

[Skins4SB]

He isn't doing it through some crash diet so I wouldn't worry about him. He is exercising and controlling his intake. It's not like he's throwing down 15 lbs of bacon a day on the Atkin's Diet. :)

I started February of 2009 at 330. I now weigh 257. I have a long ways to go but swimming a mile a day I still can eat more than 2000 calories a day and lose a lot of weight. I am sure they have him really burning a lot of calories and still eating healthy.

Congrats, man. It's always good hearing about stories of people turning themselves and their lives around.

The other day at my part-time job, I was helping an overweight man who was riding on an electric cart with some heavy furniture. As I opened the trunk of his van, I saw a bunch of wrappers to peach gummy rings, chip bags, and other assorted junk food. It was a pretty sad sight to see. How can somebody think that poorly of themselves to the point where they do not care about themselves.

[HRNY4ZRNY]

Keep up the good work Big Mike were gonna need you.

[MassSkinsFan]

I started February of 2009 at 330. I now weigh 257. I have a long ways to go but swimming a mile a day I still can eat more than 2000 calories a day and lose a lot of weight. I am sure they have him really burning a lot of calories and still eating healthy.


Wow - congrats! Just curious - how long does it take to swim a mile?

It's great to hear this about BMW. Maybe his nickname will change to MMW soon... :silly:

[pvkeeper19]

It's great to hear this about BMW. Maybe his nickname will change to MMW soon... :silly:
"Medium" Mike Williams? Zorn would be a fan.

[authentic]

By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: July 17, 2009


Gary: Did you hear Vinny Cerrato on ESPN 980 on Thursday? He said that Williams’ weight was down to 354 pounds . That’s incredible. He has lost more than 50 pounds since mid-April. For the last month, Williams has been working out in the Arizona heat with Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery and Stephon Heyer. His weight loss is good news for Redskins fans seeking competition at right tackle--and it is good news for Williams and his long-term health. It shows Williams’ commitment and determination to renewing his NFL career.


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[warriorz]

Wow indeed

[thesubmittedone]

Great news.


If he works out Vinny is proving himself to be quite the competent GM.