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MEANDWARF
June-30th-2009, 06:23 PM
Janine Garafolo thinks Tea Party Patriots are Racist Rednecks. Dallas Tea Party wanted to invite Janine Garafolo to the next party to prove her wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9X5moico4

DCranon21
June-30th-2009, 06:26 PM
:whoknows:

ljs
June-30th-2009, 06:28 PM
i wanted something more to laugh at....

there is a "tea party" this weekend here...I wanna make a sign "Ghey TeaBaggers" and bring all my homo friends. lol

MEANDWARF
June-30th-2009, 06:31 PM
:whoknows:
Sorry my computer flip.

Buford
June-30th-2009, 06:32 PM
The Tea Party people are the folks who had their taxes raised. Right?

BRAVEONAWARPATH
June-30th-2009, 06:32 PM
Janine Garafolo thinks Tea Party Patriots are Racist Rednecks.
Quite a few people share Janine's belief. :2cents:

Mad Mike
June-30th-2009, 06:36 PM
Quite a few people share Janine's belief. :2cents:

Stupidity is never justified by numbers.

ACW
June-30th-2009, 06:38 PM
Quite a few people share Janine's belief. :2cents::slap:
Are a few? :yes:
Are most? :no:
Would I join in the protests? :yes:
Am I racist and/or a redneck? :no:

Burgundy Burner
June-30th-2009, 06:43 PM
Would love to be there - especially with Lori and her friends from the Spokane area.

I'll attend one someday.

Proud to be a Redskins and Nascar loving "redneck"!

USS Redskins
June-30th-2009, 06:45 PM
The question that comes to mind is who gives a rats rear end what ms. garafalo thinks?

Smoot Point Really
June-30th-2009, 06:50 PM
You can find good & bad in any movement... Or any message board. Why criticize these people for assembling? They'll probably collect more normal Americans and less press than Cindy Sheehan did in Crawford.

Midnight Judges
June-30th-2009, 06:53 PM
You can find good & bad in any movement... Or any message board. Why criticize these people for assembling? They'll probably collect more normal Americans and less press than Cindy Sheehan did in Crawford.

hmmm I think that's a pretty good comparison.

Bang
June-30th-2009, 07:47 PM
Jeez, you can't get Kathy Griffin?
She'll do anything.

~Bang

Box76
June-30th-2009, 08:05 PM
I've been to the one in Hernando,MS after Congress passed the stimulus. I will proudly be there again this 4th of July to protest the Cap and Trade scam that passed through Congress despite the will of the American people.

ACW
June-30th-2009, 08:07 PM
I've been to the one in Hernando,MS after Congress passed the stimulus. I will proudly be there again this 4th of July to protest the Cap and Trade scam that passed through Congress despite the will of the American people.Hasn't passed the Senate yet :)

Box76
June-30th-2009, 08:39 PM
Hasn't passed the Senate yet :)


Thats why we are protesting now, to make sure it doesnt by pressuring our Senators. The House thought they could pass this through right before a holiday without a commotion.:nono:

Maybe you should register.:D

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Register.aspx

artmonkforHOF
June-30th-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm lost. I thought that crappy Canadian "The Doors" rip off band Tea Party was inviting her to sing/play on their new album. Thank God, now I don't have to tare my ears off.

Johnny Punani
June-30th-2009, 11:21 PM
Hasn't passed the Senate yet :)

And hopefully this turd of a bill never does...

skinfan13
June-30th-2009, 11:33 PM
And hopefully this turd of a bill never does... and all America's people said: Amen

ljs
June-30th-2009, 11:48 PM
Would love to be there - especially with Lori and her friends from the Spokane area.
I'll attend one someday.
Proud to be a Redskins and Nascar loving "redneck"!
We would tear up the town!


Quite a few people share Janine's belief. :2cents:
that is a scary thought. I'm in the "stockholm syndrome" category of her thoughts on this one.


Jeez, you can't get Kathy Griffin?
She'll do anything.

~Bang
I would love to have KG on board. I would show her the town

IHOPSkins
June-30th-2009, 11:48 PM
.....I wanna make a sign "Ghey TeaBaggers" and bring all my homo friends. lolWould that include Anderson "TEABAGGER" Cooper?

Madison Redskin
June-30th-2009, 11:57 PM
I wish she would shut up and just go away.

Hubbs
July-1st-2009, 06:07 AM
Quite a few people share Janine's belief. :2cents:

Quite a few people think 9/11 was a government job, too. Doesn't mean they're right.

Rdskn4Lyf21
July-1st-2009, 06:36 AM
I'll be at one July 4th down here and I was at one on April 15th.

It's sad that so many people dismiss them or/are completely ignorant of them. Government spending is a HUGE problem. The government passing bills that nobody has read entirely is a HUGE problem. The House of Representatives passing a bill that was amended early in the morning the day of the vote with over 300 pages is a HUGE problem. The President bypassing a law he supported as a Senator to fire an Inspector General hot on the trail of one of his buddies is a HUGE problem. The government continually bailing out companies that are "too big to fail" is a HUGE problem.

And on and on it goes...

But then again, if you think any of the above you are considered either a hack, a racist, or someone who is a hypocrite because they weren't front and center when Bush was doing all of the above (at a slower pace, but via the same means).

Pretty sad that people can't take the blinders off.

BAFGA
July-1st-2009, 06:44 AM
it doesn't matter what party you support. They are all hacks and are all in it for themselves. The quicker everyone realizes that the better.

SnyderShrugged
July-1st-2009, 06:52 AM
I'm sad the "tea Party" movement was co-opted by the neo-cons. Just takes away from credibility in my book.

That said, The vast majority of folks that i know who attended the last ones were regular, hard working Americans who are simply concerned over the spending levels and it's negative economic impact.

To paint them as anything other than that is false, misleading, and outright wrong.

ACW
July-1st-2009, 08:36 AM
I DO hate the hypocrisy of those (esp. Congressional Repubs) who now complain about spending. Yes, it's more than Bush, but :secret: your party controlled Congress during most of Bush's term.

I hate massive spending, party label be damned.

SnyderShrugged
July-1st-2009, 09:07 AM
I DO hate the hypocrisy of those (esp. Congressional Repubs) who now complain about spending. Yes, it's more than Bush, but :secret: your party controlled Congress during most of Bush's term.

I hate massive spending, party label be damned.


Amen!!

SkinsHokieFan
July-1st-2009, 09:07 AM
I DO hate the hypocrisy of those (esp. Congressional Repubs) who now complain about spending. Yes, it's more than Bush, but :secret: your party controlled Congress during most of Bush's term.

I hate massive spending, party label be damned.

Thats why they won't be seeing any power for a very long time.

I know I have stated this quite a few times, but the math simply never works for the next generation or so for Republicans to have control of Congress

Thiebear
July-1st-2009, 09:34 AM
She is the Ann Coulter for the left.

headexplode
July-1st-2009, 10:47 AM
I will proudly be there again this 4th of July to protest the Cap and Trade scam that passed through Congress despite the will of the American people.

Doesn't Congress represent the will of the American people? Isn't that who voted for them?

SkinsHokieFan
July-1st-2009, 10:48 AM
Doesn't Congress represent the will of the American people? Isn't that who voted for them?

I'd say when you look at an issue such as immigration, Congress was attempting to do the exact OPPOSITE of the will of the American people

They represent the will of those who financed them :)

jrockster21
July-1st-2009, 10:49 AM
Can we stop making Janine Garafolo news? She is a waste of space, like Ann Coulter, who deserves zero press. Please, just stop.

headexplode
July-1st-2009, 10:50 AM
I'd say when you look at an issue such as immigration, Congress was attempting to do the exact OPPOSITE of the will of the American people

They represent the will of those who financed them :)

Touche. :)

I just constantly hear how Congress goes against the Will of the People all the time, and yet its members enjoy a nearly 98% incumbency rate.

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 10:50 AM
But then again, if you think any of the above you are considered either a hack, a racist, or someone who is a hypocrite because they weren't front and center when Bush was doing all of the above (at a slower pace, but via the same means).

Pretty sad that people can't take the blinders off.

What "blinders" are you referring to?

In any case, I just find teabaggers funny. First, they chose a hilarious name that has more than one or two meanings. Second, like many nuts, they act like they are this generation's George Washingtons and Thomas Jeffersons when, in reality, many of them are dumb ideologues.

headexplode
July-1st-2009, 10:53 AM
What "blinders" are you referring to?

In any case, I just find teabaggers funny. First, they chose a hilarious name that has more than one or two meanings. Second, like many nuts, they act like they are this generation's George Washingtons and Thomas Jeffersons when, in reality, many of them are dumb ideologues.

I love how they have to get permission to "speak out." And they don't even actually dump any tea.

ljs
July-1st-2009, 11:00 AM
What "blinders" are you referring to?

In any case, I just find teabaggers funny. First, they chose a hilarious name that has more than one or two meanings. Second, like many nuts, they act like they are this generation's George Washingtons and Thomas Jeffersons when, in reality, many of them are dumb ideologues.

nice name calling- can some of you debate the topic without acting like a bunch of 3 year olds and calling each other names?

Where were all of you when the people were protesting the WTO riots and breaking windows, looting windows, setting things on fire and pretty much taking over citiies (like Seattle) ?? Where was your outrage then?

But now "you all" who want to laugh at the people who peacefully protest, who hold concerts, bring their kids- who DON'T burn down the city, who DON'T smash in business windows- who DON'T cover their faces because they are committing crimes.

headexplode
July-1st-2009, 11:12 AM
I really think all they need to be taken seriously is more tri-cornerned hats.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
July-1st-2009, 11:13 AM
I find it interesting that these Tea Party people think of themselves as patriotic (and I'm not saying they aren't) and at the same time, many of the same people questioned the patriotism of those who opposed the war in Iraq. :2cents:

ECU-ALUM
July-1st-2009, 11:20 AM
My political alignment is independent with liberal leanings...with that being said...could we please drop Miss Garafolo, Micheal Moore, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill Maher off at a deserted island and forget that they are there.

Hubbs
July-1st-2009, 11:34 AM
Doesn't Congress represent the will of the American people? Isn't that who voted for them?

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Oh, man... you're good with the jokes.

Hubbs
July-1st-2009, 11:37 AM
I find it interesting that these Tea Party people think of themselves as patriotic (and I'm not saying they aren't) and at the same time, many of the same people questioned the patriotism of those who opposed the war in Iraq. :2cents:

...and many of them are the evolution of Ron Paul's campaign, which was specifically against the war in Iraq.

headexplode
July-1st-2009, 11:39 AM
...and many of them are the evolution of Ron Paul's campaign, which was specifically against the war in Iraq.

I'd like to hear more about this Ron Paul fellow you speak of. For instance, what's his stance on zombies?

Buford
July-1st-2009, 11:41 AM
I think the new Tea Party would be taken seriously if they didn't choose a name than didn't jive with what they're doing.

I mean, how many of them had their taxes raised? Or are facing NEW taxes on something they want?

BRAVEONAWARPATH
July-1st-2009, 11:42 AM
...and many of them are the evolution of Ron Paul's campaign, which was specifically against the war in Iraq.
....and many of them are the evolution of something else. And that "something else" is something I'd better not explain. :)

ACW
July-1st-2009, 11:43 AM
I find it interesting that these Tea Party people think of themselves as patriotic (and I'm not saying they aren't) and at the same time, many of the same people questioned the patriotism of those who opposed the war in Iraq. :2cents:You're generalizing. I opposed Iraq and Bush's spending.

And Madison, who are you calling a dumb ideologue? :saber:

BRAVEONAWARPATH
July-1st-2009, 11:45 AM
You're generalizing. I opposed Iraq and Bush's spending.

I'm not generalizing. I said MANY people...which doesn't necessarily include you. :2cents:

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 11:45 AM
Where were all of you when the people were protesting the WTO riots and breaking windows, looting windows, setting things on fire and pretty much taking over citiies (like Seattle) ?? Where was your outrage then?


I was annoyed by the WTO protestors and entertained by the Teabaggers. The WTO protestors were obnoxious, violent, and incoherent (I saw signs protesting whaling, nukes, etc.). The Teabaggers are funny, for the reasons I mentioned in my above post.

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 11:46 AM
And Madison, who are you calling a dumb ideologue?

No one on this forum. I was making a general statement about some, but not all, of those at the teabagging parties. I don't trust anyone whose views align 99% of the time with a particular candidate or who seem to have adopted the viewpoint that the federal government is nearly always bad and should nearly always be limited or vice versa.

SnyderShrugged
July-1st-2009, 11:47 AM
What "blinders" are you referring to?

In any case, I just find teabaggers funny. First, they chose a hilarious name that has more than one or two meanings. Second, like many nuts, they act like they are this generation's George Washingtons and Thomas Jeffersons when, in reality, many of them are dumb ideologues.


Ummm, the tea party folks didnt choose the tag "teabaggers" that was a rude creation from the silly left in an effort to trash their character.

Funny and ironic too that you mentioned dumb ideologues;)

ljs
July-1st-2009, 11:55 AM
I was annoyed by the WTO protestors and entertained by the Teabaggers. The WTO protestors were obnoxious, violent, and incoherent (I saw signs protesting whaling, nukes, etc.). The Teabaggers are funny, for the reasons I mentioned in my above post.

I think you are backpeddling. You called them dumb idealogues and now you wanna say they entertain you? Either way- it appears hipocritic.

ljs
July-1st-2009, 11:56 AM
No one on this forum. I was making a general statement about some, but not all, of those at the teabagging parties. I don't trust anyone whose views align 99% of the time with a particular candidate or who seem to have adopted the viewpoint that the federal government is nearly always bad and should nearly always be limited or vice versa.

And they aren't- that was a picture portrayed by the leftist media. There were democrats and independants at many of them. I don't have numbers-so I'm not going to throw them out like it's fact.

SnyderShrugged
July-1st-2009, 11:57 AM
And they aren't- that was a picture portrayed by the leftist media. There were democrats and independants at many of them. I don't have numbers-so I'm not going to throw them out like it's fact.


L, You rock!:)

ljs
July-1st-2009, 12:09 PM
L, You rock!:)

I do what I can:silly:

headexplode
July-1st-2009, 12:35 PM
That must mean when Congress reduced taxes it was the will of the people and when the people (democrats too) called their congressmen and told them to change their stance on Amnesty for illegal aliens last year it wasn't the threat of losing their seat in the senate or house that caused some to change their stance or go mum on it.

The same politicians that everyone supposedly hates continue to get elected time and time again. I think it's time to put the blame for the state of the country where it really belongs: the *******s that wrote the Constitution.

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 01:56 PM
I think you are backpeddling. You called them dumb idealogues and now you wanna say they entertain you? Either way- it appears hipocritic.

How am I backpeddling and hypocritical?

Rdskn4Lyf21
July-1st-2009, 02:54 PM
What "blinders" are you referring to?

In any case, I just find teabaggers funny. First, they chose a hilarious name that has more than one or two meanings. Second, like many nuts, they act like they are this generation's George Washingtons and Thomas Jeffersons when, in reality, many of them are dumb ideologues.


nice name calling- can some of you debate the topic without acting like a bunch of 3 year olds and calling each other names?

There's your answer Madison. By immediately going to name calling, you are attacking the people, not the idea. I'd call that a blinder because it prohibits you from seeing the real issues and just attack those speaking up against them.

SparkleMotion
July-1st-2009, 03:04 PM
I think the new Tea Party would be taken seriously if they didn't choose a name than didn't jive with what they're doing.

I mean, how many of them had their taxes raised? Or are facing NEW taxes on something they want?

I don't think it's in response to a specific tax that as already been imposed.

It's based more on an understanding of the massive agenda that Obama is pushing, and that it takes more than hopeychangey talk to pay for it.

There are some morons at the tea parties for sure. But the more intelligent ones are there because they can see past the end of their own noses and recognize what's really going on with spending in this country.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 03:09 PM
There's your answer Madison. By immediately going to name calling, you are attacking the people, not the idea. I'd call that a blinder because it prohibits you from seeing the real issues and just attack those speaking up against them.

So many people complain about our country becoming overly sensitive. Yet, some of those same people go ballistic because I said many people who teabagged are dumb ideologues?

Opposing TARP, the auto industry bailouts, etc. is fine. There's good reason to be concerned about inflation, moral hazard, etc. (even if I think the "pros" may outweigh the "cons"). However, invoking our Founding Fathers and acting like we are being oppressed as they were is ridiculous. Moreover, after seeing interviews of people attending those rallies and talking to people who support them (and who are not members of ES), I think it's safe to say that a fair number of them are silly and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

That's not to say all of them are kooks, or none of them know what they are talking about.

The Evil Genius
July-1st-2009, 03:44 PM
Astroturfing for the win!

jnhay
July-1st-2009, 04:19 PM
"I ain't no redneck!"

MEANDWARF
July-1st-2009, 05:17 PM
I think the new Tea Party would be taken seriously if they didn't choose a name than didn't jive with what they're doing.

I mean, how many of them had their taxes raised? Or are facing NEW taxes on something they want?
Hopefully none if Cap & Trade fails in the Senate.

MEANDWARF
July-1st-2009, 05:33 PM
So many people complain about our country becoming overly sensitive. Yet, some of those same people go ballistic because I said many people who teabagged are dumb ideologues?

Opposing TARP, the auto industry bailouts, etc. is fine. There's good reason to be concerned about inflation, moral hazard, etc. (even if I think the "pros" may outweigh the "cons"). However, invoking our Founding Fathers and acting like we are being oppressed as they were is ridiculous. Moreover, after seeing interviews of people attending those rallies and talking to people who support them (and who are not members of ES), I think it's safe to say that a fair number of them are silly and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

That's not to say all of them are kooks, or none of them know what they are talking about.

You can say that about all protest. There are the people whom are passionate about the cause and know what it stands for. And then there are those morons like you say whom are there with no clue on what's going on.
Then you have the people like Garafolo who past judgement to those who attended and called them racists. I personally was offended by what she said because I was going to attend the one in town, but had to work late.

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 05:40 PM
You can say that about all protest. There are the people whom are passionate about the cause and know what it stands for. And then there are those morons like you say whom are there with no clue on what's going on.
Then you have the people like Garafolo who past judgement to those who attended and called them racists. I personally was offended by what she said because I was going to attend the one in town, but had to work late.

I haven't called anyone in this thread or forum a "bad name." I made an comment about the people who teabagged, and clarified that not all teabaggers are silly and that I wasn't talking about any ES member. I can't say the same for you.

Buford
July-1st-2009, 06:47 PM
So many people complain about our country becoming overly sensitive. Yet, some of those same people go ballistic because I said many people who teabagged are dumb ideologues?

Opposing TARP, the auto industry bailouts, etc. is fine. There's good reason to be concerned about inflation, moral hazard, etc. (even if I think the "pros" may outweigh the "cons"). However, invoking our Founding Fathers and acting like we are being oppressed as they were is ridiculous. Moreover, after seeing interviews of people attending those rallies and talking to people who support them (and who are not members of ES), I think it's safe to say that a fair number of them are silly and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

That's not to say all of them are kooks, or none of them know what they are talking about.


http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/moran.jpg

Mad Mike
July-1st-2009, 07:37 PM
I'd like to hear more about this Ron Paul fellow you speak of. For instance, what's his stance on zombies?

He likes them so much, he became one himself. :evilg:

skinfan13
July-1st-2009, 08:01 PM
So many people complain about our country becoming overly sensitive. Yet, some of those same people go ballistic because I said many people who teabagged are dumb ideologues?

Opposing TARP, the auto industry bailouts, etc. is fine. There's good reason to be concerned about inflation, moral hazard, etc. (even if I think the "pros" may outweigh the "cons"). However, invoking our Founding Fathers and acting like we are being oppressed as they were is ridiculous. Moreover, after seeing interviews of people attending those rallies and talking to people who support them (and who are not members of ES), I think it's safe to say that a fair number of them are silly and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

That's not to say all of them are kooks, or none of them know what they are talking about. that's ok, in my encounters with you I've developed the sense that you're silly, don't know what you're talking about, and are just a dumb ideologue.

I could be wrong though.

and for the record, most of us aren't saying we are being oppressed in the same way as the founding fathers, we're saying that we need to get back to the America they created and stop living in this fantasy land of spending like crazy. our civil liberties are slowly being chipped away. we're just foresighted enough and love the constitution enough to do something about it, which leads me to two conclusions:

either a) you don't care about, or don't like the civil liberties guaranteed by our constitution.

or

b) you can't see it for one of a few reasons.

ACW
July-1st-2009, 08:11 PM
that's ok, in my encounters with you I've developed the sense that you're silly, don't know what you're talking about, and are just a dumb ideologue.

I could be wrong though.

and for the record, most of us aren't saying we are being oppressed in the same way as the founding fathers, we're saying that we need to get back to the America they created and stop living in this fantasy land of spending like crazy. our civil liberties are slowly being chipped away. we're just foresighted enough and love the constitution enough to do something about it, which leads me to two conclusions:

either a) you don't care about, or don't like the civil liberties guaranteed by our constitution.

or

b) you can't see it for one of a few reasons.:high5:

Seabee1973
July-1st-2009, 09:04 PM
I DO hate the hypocrisy of those (esp. Congressional Repubs) who now complain about spending. Yes, it's more than Bush, but :secret: your party controlled Congress during most of Bush's term.

I hate massive spending, party label be damned.

Wasnt most of teh spending done the last 2 years of office.

ACW
July-1st-2009, 09:07 PM
Wasnt most of teh spending done the last 2 years of office.:stop:
:no:
Don't blame the Dems.
He didn't veto.
And of course the Medicare expansion.

Seabee1973
July-1st-2009, 09:15 PM
:stop:
:no:
Don't blame the Dems.
He didn't veto.
And of course the Medicare expansion.

If the Veto is going to get overturned then why Veto it That is what i think they do. Thats why i believe when you here a president say I will sign this bill if it passes. It would be nice if they sent a message im going to Veto this and if you over ride it im going to issue an executive order.

Hubbs
July-1st-2009, 09:34 PM
If the Veto is going to get overturned then why Veto it That is what i think they do. Thats why i believe when you here a president say I will sign this bill if it passes. It would be nice if they sent a message im going to Veto this and if you over ride it im going to issue an executive order.

The Dems didn't have the numbers to override a Bush veto. They would have needed a lot of Repub support.

Madison Redskin
July-1st-2009, 09:47 PM
that's ok, in my encounters with you I've developed the sense that you're silly, don't know what you're talking about, and are just a dumb ideologue.

I could be wrong though.

I made it clear in multiple posts that I was not aiming my comments towards anyone in this forum. I also made it very clear that I think people can take issue with some of the massive spending and investment initiatives of the Bush and Obama administrations. Yet, people such as yourself continue to go after me personally.

Anyways, if you think I'm an ideologue, you don't know me very well. What kind of ideologue has voted at the local, state, and national level for Dems and Republicans, is "pro death penalty," is pro choice only for women in the 1st trimester, pro gay rights, hawkish on war, pro-gun control, pro flat tax, gets equally annoyed by hippies and preppie guys, voted for Obama but gets really annoyed when he sees Obama signs still in people's front yards, and thinks FDR AND GWB were among the worst US Presidents. Politically, I'm an iconoclast whose politics are VERY much issue-specific.

As for TARP, the bailouts, etc. if you search my posts on the subject, I'm critical of teabaggers, but I'm also not convinced that the massive spending will bail the country out of trouble. I've said on numerous occasions that I just don't know what the right answer is, but I'm entertained by teenagers and poorly educated adults who think they're Nobel Prize winning economists.


and for the record, most of us aren't saying we are being oppressed in the same way as the founding fathers, we're saying that we need to get back to the America they created and stop living in this fantasy land of spending like crazy. our civil liberties are slowly being chipped away.

What civil liberties of yours are being infringed upon? Please tell us how TARP, or the bailout of the auto industry, is violating your constitutional rights.

This ought to be good.

skinfan13
July-1st-2009, 11:30 PM
I made it clear in multiple posts that I was not aiming my comments towards anyone in this forum. I also made it very clear that I think people can take issue with some of the massive spending and investment initiatives of the Bush and Obama administrations. Yet, people such as yourself continue to go after me personally.

Anyways, if you think I'm an ideologue, you don't know me very well. What kind of ideologue has voted at the local, state, and national level for Dems and Republicans, is "pro death penalty," is pro choice only for women in the 1st trimester, pro gay rights, hawkish on war, pro-gun control, pro flat tax, gets equally annoyed by hippies and preppie guys, voted for Obama but gets really annoyed when he sees Obama signs still in people's front yards, and thinks FDR AND GWB were among the worst US Presidents. Politically, I'm an iconoclast whose politics are VERY much issue-specific.

As for TARP, the bailouts, etc. if you search my posts on the subject, I'm critical of teabaggers, but I'm also not convinced that the massive spending will bail the country out of trouble. I've said on numerous occasions that I just don't know what the right answer is, but I'm entertained by teenagers and poorly educated adults who think they're Nobel Prize winning economists.



What civil liberties of yours are being infringed upon? Please tell us how TARP, or the bailout of the auto industry, is violating your constitutional rights.

This ought to be good.

I'm working on a PM response to this. you will get it shortly.

you avoided the meat of my last post, which annoys me a little.

GoSkins561
July-2nd-2009, 05:01 AM
I think the new Tea Party would be taken seriously if they didn't choose a name than didn't jive with what they're doing.

I mean, how many of them had their taxes raised? Or are facing NEW taxes on something they want?

I am not sure if you have just ignored other posts in this thread or any other tea bagger thread, however it has been mentioned several times.

They are protesting government spending (amongst otehr things) which will result in increased taxes. Obama is already reconsidering his "no tax increases if you make under $250,000 k" b.s.

You don't think your taxes are not going to be increased do you?

Box76
July-2nd-2009, 11:21 AM
What civil liberties of yours are being infringed upon? Please tell us how TARP, or the bailout of the auto industry, is violating your constitutional rights.

This ought to be good.



Who do you think is gonna pay for all of this? The people are gonna be unfairly taxed to pay for the doubling of the nat'l debt. When our politicians admitted they didnt read nor understand the stimulus and passed it anyway----see 'No taxation without representation'.
To answer your question, yes our civil liberties have been violated.

Madison Redskin
July-2nd-2009, 11:35 AM
Who do you think is gonna pay for all of this? The people are gonna be unfairly taxed to pay for the doubling of the nat'l debt. When our politicians admitted they didnt read nor understand the stimulus and passed it anyway----see 'No taxation without representation'.
To answer your question, yes our civil liberties have been violated.

First, how are you not being represented? Are you a felon who lost the right to vote or a minor? Otherwise, our Founding Fathers would say you are represented. You're not unrepresented simply because you didn't vote for x, y, or z elected officials.

Second, you have no right whatsoever not to be taxed and certainly not a Constitutional right.

The Evil Genius
July-2nd-2009, 11:39 AM
Maybe he is mad that he isn't one of the paid tea-partiers?

#98QBKiller
July-2nd-2009, 11:41 AM
Who do you think is gonna pay for all of this?


The companies that were "bailed out." They have to pay that money back with interest.

SnyderShrugged
July-2nd-2009, 11:42 AM
Maybe he is mad that he isn't one of the paid tea-partiers?


who's getting paid? I know tons of folks who went to the last one and that plan to go to this new one, and each and every one of them not only is going voluntarilly, but also are working there for free.

SkinsHokieFan
July-2nd-2009, 12:11 PM
Maybe he is mad that he isn't one of the paid tea-partiers?

Man people are getting paid to go?

Kinda like the Mods on ES get paid by Dan Snyder?

How have I missed out on this? :)

The Evil Genius
July-2nd-2009, 12:50 PM
who's getting paid? I know tons of folks who went to the last one and that plan to go to this new one, and each and every one of them not only is going voluntarilly, but also are working there for free.

I thought this was discussed ad nauseum last time (around April 15th if I recall).

Google Freedomworks (or even the lesser Americans for Prosperity), teaparties, and Richard Armey. See who backs those organizations (hint, billionaires).

Essentially, this is how the teaparties started - they started with paid people picketing, got the press to promote the hell out of them on the GOP media driven shows (Rush and Fox Network especially), and then eventually the non-paid people showed up.

Astroturfing is a common tool of the GOP. Its nefarious, but effective.

ACW
July-2nd-2009, 12:52 PM
Too bad the assclowns (Beck, Hannity, Newt and co.) have to coopt the teaparties :mad:

SnyderShrugged
July-2nd-2009, 12:53 PM
I thought this was discussed ad nauseum last time (around April 15th if I recall).

Google Freedomworks (or even the lesser Americans for Prosperity), teaparties, and Richard Armey. See who backs those organizations (hint, billionaires).

Essentially, this is how the teaparties started - they started with paid people picketing, got the press to promote the hell out of them on the GOP media driven shows (Rush and Fox Network especially), and then eventually the non-paid people showed up.

Astroturfing is a common tool of the GOP. Its nefarious, but effective.


Actually, thats not how they "started" (Ron pauls supporters held the first ones well before the neo-con clowns got involved. ) But I still dont see that the people attending are paid to attend.

SnyderShrugged
July-2nd-2009, 12:54 PM
Too bad the assclowns (Beck, Hannity, Newt and co.) have to coopt the teaparties :mad:


Yep, a darned shame. :mad:

The Evil Genius
July-2nd-2009, 12:56 PM
Actually, thats not how they "started" (Ron pauls supporters held the first ones well before the neo-con clowns got involved. ) But I still dont see that the people attending are paid to attend.

You are right - I should amend that to this version (or round) of the teaparties.

Baculus
July-2nd-2009, 02:19 PM
The Tea Parties would be more effective if they weren't co-opted by corporate shills, hypocritical Republicans, and people who normally disregard libertarians or criticized "unpatriotic protesters" during the Bush years.

I've read interviews with many people at these parties, and they aren't necessarily angry at Big Government spending -- they are angry about Big Government SOCIAL spending. Many of them are fine with our half-trillion dollar+ military budget, but complain if money is spent elsewhere, which, of course, is decried as "socialism."

I would bet money if the Republicans win in 2010 and 2012, except for the core Ron Paul fans (or libertarians), many of these Tea Partiers would melt back into the "My Country, right or wrong!" crowd and Tea Party numbers would drop.

ACW
July-2nd-2009, 02:49 PM
The Tea Parties would be more effective if they weren't co-opted by corporate shills, hypocritical Republicans, and people who normally disregard libertarians or criticized "unpatriotic protesters" during the Bush years.

I've read interviews with many people at these parties, and they aren't necessarily angry at Big Government spending -- they are angry about Big Government SOCIAL spending. Many of them are fine with our half-trillion dollar+ military budget, but complain if money is spent elsewhere, which, of course, is decried as "socialism."

I would bet money if the Republicans win in 2010 and 2012, except for the core Ron Paul fans (or libertarians), many of these Tea Partiers would melt back into the "My Country, right or wrong!" crowd and Tea Party numbers would drop.You're probably right on ALL counts :(