On Herd: Hall says attempts to trade Campbell didn't make any sense!

[darrell1106]

Hall appeared on The Herd today and discussed JC, Vick and the Raiders (brutal honesty here and we are so fortunate to be a fan of the skins albeit Snyder could be leading us in that direction).

He simply said he never understood the potential trade rumors surounding JC and the skins front office. He feels that Sanchez may be ok buy we would have to start all over and wait for him to develop. Not worth it. In regards to Cutler, he references the fact he had 1 good year and all of a sudden "people thinks he is the next Tom Brady". Again, not worth it compared to Campbell and what he's able to do.

In summary he feels Jason is gonna be really good and will be successfull this year and in the future. He compared himself to Jason when he went through the debacle in Atlanta. For Jason to show that kind of professionalism speaks volumes. He demaned a trade out of Atlanta so he understands what Jason may have been going through and commends him for that. Collin agreed and w/ almost everything Hall said but who cares. Not a fan at all but its a redskin so had to listen!
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=theherd#

As for the raiders, that was downright scary honest. He said he tried to go in and help change the culture but people resisted. "Everything starts from the top down..." and he feels they will never win as long as Uncle Al maintains control of that franchise. Uncle Al would watch practice tape and tell coaches to remove a play, or show dissatisfaction to the way a route was run and inform coaches on what to do (relay message to players, trade players, fire coaches based on a favorite player's opinion, etc.) INSANE!!!

Overall Hall is just happy to be near home with a team that actually has the chance to be really good and can compete. An owner who isn't afraid to do what it takes to win (free agency I'm assuming) and not part of a loosing franchise (mentally I assume?). Because of that he says he enjoys training camp, practice and every opportunity to get better.

If this is true man his attitude is def in the right place (mine would be as well for $55M but i'll take the glass half full approach on Hall).

Do you guys/gals agree w/ Hall's assesment of JC or is it just a wait and see approach from the team before going there (considering line issues, WR injuries, etc.)? Is Cutler over hyped? Can't really discuss Sanchez because I never agreed w/ that possibility and lean towards Halls' explanation but some of you seem to like anyone else besides JC.

And do you guys think Snyder has the same mentality as Al Davis w/ how he runs the organization? Are we heading in that direction or is there no comparison and Danny boy at least learned from JG and will be a little more patient and let "football people" make football decisions?

I thought the interview was very open and honest. Definitely didn't give any real party lines. I can definitely see how players, coaches, etc. may have had issues w/ Hall. Probably grossly misunderstood (just a hunch)

[SIXX99]

I agree with him about the Raiders. Our fans can say Dan is clueless but Al Davis in Oakland is just plain nuts.

[MustangSteve]

Good Gawd could we put the 20 JC threads in the same place? I just don't know if JC is even worth all the drama. He better throw no less then 20 touchdowns in the first half of the season alone, or we should bench him lol.

[isle-hawg]

No sense in Hall biting the hand that has just fed him so I take his comments with "a grain of salt". I am a glass half full on this too though and want to think he is right.

No doubt in my mind JC is an all-around good guy and superb athlete. I have my doubts though (starring down primary receiver especially), but I am definitely pulling for JC to have that breakout year this year!

[mcarey032]

Redskins aren't too far away from the Raiders. You don't think that Dan is telling Zorn which plays he likes or he would like them to run. While it may not be that involved, I would be willing to bet that he is telling Zorn how to manage the team. Look at the Portis incident last year.

[darrell1106]

Good Gawd could we put the 20 JC threads in the same place? I just don't know if JC is even worth all the drama. He better throw no less then 20 touchdowns in the first half of the season alone, or we should bench him lol.

Yeah I here you. It is a bit much but seems ti be the focus of outsiders whenever they talk skins. But agree i hope he produces

[BIGOLEBOB]

i hope this isn't the beginnings of Hall being controversial and being a smart a** and showing out like he has in the past. honesty is a good thing but you don't tell your mother that her dress sucks. sometimes its better to just be positive and let old stuff in the past where it belongs. hall is showing signs of immaturity with all this coming out honesty.

just shut the frick up and play ball.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Thanks for the recap man. The more I hear Hall talk the more I am so happy with the Skins. He is really maturing as a person. I hope he has a great season and I think people dont realize how much experience this guy has and how young he is. He has another probably 7-8 years of Pro Bowl caliber play in him.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

i hope this isn't the beginnings of Hall being controversial and being a smart a** and showing out like he has in the past. honesty is a good thing but you don't tell your mother that her dress sucks. sometimes its better to just be positive and let old stuff in the past where it belongs. hall is showing signs of immaturity with all this coming out honesty.

just shut the frick up and play ball.

Jesus Christ, calm down. I don't blame him for telling the truth. He's just confirming what everyone is already thinking. I like players being open like that.

[Smurf85]

No sense in Hall biting the hand that has just fed him so I take his comments with "a grain of salt". I am a glass half full on this too though and want to think he is right.

No doubt in my mind JC is an all-around good guy and superb athlete. I have my doubts though (starring down primary receiver especially), but I am definitely pulling for JC to have that breakout year this year!

Well he also talked good about Snyder.

[isle-hawg]

Well he also talked good about Snyder.

That was my point since Snyder is the guy paying him or are we not talking about our own D. Hall?

[darrell1106]

Thanks for the recap man. The more I hear Hall talk the more I am so happy with the Skins. He is really maturing as a person. I hope he has a great season and I think people dont realize how much experience this guy has and how young he is. He has another probably 7-8 years of Pro Bowl caliber play in him.

I disagree. I prefer players to speak their minds but with some apprehension. I think he did that but that's your opinion.

[BIGOLEBOB]

Jesus Christ, calm down. I don't blame him for telling the truth. He's just confirming what everyone is already thinking. I like players being open like that.

glad you like players who are open and speak their mind and glad you like hall for that. by the way howd that work out for hall on those other two teams where he was open and honest?

[CPortJGibbs89]

I disagree. I prefer players to speak their minds but with some apprehension. I think he did that but that's your opinion.Yup thats my opinion and everything I have heard him say has been fine by me. He hasnt been anything close to like TO when it comes to the media. Again thats opinion and that yours.

[jnhay]

honesty is a good thing but you don't tell your mother that her dress sucks.

I do. If you can't be honest with your own mother who can you be honest with?

[DCMONEY]

No sense in Hall biting the hand that has just fed him so I take his comments with "a grain of salt". I am a glass half full on this too though and want to think he is right.

No doubt in my mind JC is an all-around good guy and superb athlete. I have my doubts though (starring down primary receiver especially), but I am definitely pulling for JC to have that breakout year this year!

Maybe he stares down the primary WR because there hasn't been a legit secondary one.

[skins2victory]

Just as Hall say's, this is the year JC will rise up and become succesfull. I belive it, and will watch it happen soon!!

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Maybe he stares down the primary WR because there hasn't been a legit secondary one.

How would he know if he never looks at him?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

How would he know if he never looks at him?

;)

[1972FAN]

and??? that happen a century ago

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

I truly believe he is excited to be a Redskin.

[SirClintonPortis]

Yet another Campbell sympathizer. You gotta renounce him Dhall. He ain't the FUTURE.

:silly:

[Smurf85]

That was my point since Snyder is the guy paying him or are we not talking about our own D. Hall?

Well I think he was taking a crack at Vinny more than Snyder.

[SAli457180]

Redskins aren't too far away from the Raiders. You don't think that Dan is telling Zorn which plays he likes or he would like them to run. While it may not be that involved, I would be willing to bet that he is telling Zorn how to manage the team. Look at the Portis incident last year.

I know Snyder is more involved with the team than I think he should be, but I don't think he would go as far as dictating which plays to call. I know he's the owner, but that would be going too far.

[BIGOLEBOB]

Yet another Campbell sympathizer. You gotta renounce him Dhall. He ain't the FUTURE.

:silly:

i don;t think campbell is a hall of fame qb adn probably not even a pro bowl quarterback but i sure think it would be wise to take this week by week thru the preseason. the smart thing to do would be to not make any statement at all until you;ve seen him play at least 3 practice games. cause he will probley
get 4 full quarters in over those first 3 games.
but bashing his performance 24 hrs before a game is pretty much dumb.

now if he throws 2 ints tomorrow nite or is 3 for 7 with no td's then bash away. all i'm saying is its dumb to comment on something that hasn't happened yet and if your commenting on last year then man thats even dumber. so I'll be looking for your analysis after the first half tomorrow nite.

note to self: search posts by SirClintonPortis thursday after game to see if he shows up bashing or praising cambpell

[LLandryistheshiz]

i don;t think campbell is a hall of fame qb adn probably not even a pro bowl quarterback but i sure think it would be wise to take this week by week thru the preseason. the smart thing to do would be to not make any statement at all until you;ve seen him play at least 3 practice games. cause he will probley
get 4 full quarters in over those first 3 games.
but bashing his performance 24 hrs before a game is pretty much dumb.

now if he throws 2 ints tomorrow nite or is 3 for 7 with no td's then bash away. all i'm saying is its dumb to comment on something that hasn't happened yet and if your commenting on last year then man thats even dumber. so I'll be looking for your analysis after the first half tomorrow nite.

note to self: search posts by SirClintonPortis thursday after game to see if he shows up bashing or praising cambpell

See the smiley? He was kidding. :doh:


I know Snyder is more involved with the team than I think he should be, but I don't think he would go as far as dictating which plays to call. I know he's the owner, but that would be going too far.

Agreed. Dan Snyder just wants to win. Plain and simple. He's going to pay who he thinks he needs to pay to win. He's gonna let the coaches do the coaching and calling the plays and such, and he's gonna sit back and watch.

Snyder has always been a Redskins fan. He just owns the team, and will do whatever he feels he can to help this team win. He knows that he does not know how to call plays. :2cents:

[Zazzaro703]

We have heard these things about JC before and have seen the potential, it just has to be on a consistent basis. I really hope he can put it all together this year and has a great season.

[fire5man80]

Who really cares what he says to the media as long as he doesnt become a locker room cancer and just plays to the best of his ability week in and week out. I like DHall, I thought he had an immediate impact last season coming in so late and I wouldnt expect anything less then for him to pick up where he left off. He was a star in Atlanta, he just let his temper get the best of him to the point it was not going to be reconciled. They were a stuttering team with little hope and a piss poor coach, Im sure there were others who wanted to blow up too. I think (hope) he's matured greatly and will be a huge part of our defense. As far as JC is concerned Ive never been a hater and still am not, hopefully he proves he's worthy of a first round pick this year and leads us deep into the playoffs. No predictions here though, Ive been a skins fan for too long to be dumb enough to do that.
PS Ive missed this site greatly and glad to be back!!!!!!

[warriorz]

I agree. I didnt want Cutler or Sanchez nor did I agree with the handling of it.

As long as a players head is in the right place and he is mature I prefer them speak their mind.

[SoCalSkins]

Probably motivated by his support for Vick. Now with that signing being very unlikely, he is building some good will with the fans and his teammates.

[iMeast]

I agree with him about the Raiders. Our fans can say Dan is clueless but Al Davis in Oakland is just plain nuts.

Indeed! Every time we think we have it bad we should just look to the West coast and thank God.

HTTR

[Spartacus87]

Redskins aren't too far away from the Raiders. You don't think that Dan is telling Zorn which plays he likes or he would like them to run. While it may not be that involved, I would be willing to bet that he is telling Zorn how to manage the team. Look at the Portis incident last year. Please find anything backing this notion up.

[MustangSteve]

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/pmohajer/leave_alone_11.jpg
Now that's funny :hysterical:

[nneece]

Hall should be happy to be playing in the NFL. He was a debacle in Atlanta and a lesser degree in Oakland and did not live up to his reputation.

[nneece]

Redskins aren't too far away from the Raiders. You don't think that Dan is telling Zorn which plays he likes or he would like them to run. While it may not be that involved, I would be willing to bet that he is telling Zorn how to manage the team. Look at the Portis incident last year.


There are similarities between Al Davis and Dan Snyder and the way they run the organization. Al Davis was not always a crazy old man though and he did have some success in his career. People think that when you compare the Redskins to Oakland it is all in the negative, but there are some positives also just not in this decade.

[MustangSteve]

Redskins aren't too far away from the Raiders. You don't think that Dan is telling Zorn which plays he likes or he would like them to run. While it may not be that involved, I would be willing to bet that he is telling Zorn how to manage the team. Look at the Portis incident last year.I doubt that very seriously, I think Danny learned a lot from Gibbs his past 4 years, and the most important is patients and trust. As far as Al Davis, he is just one of a kind thank God lol.

[Buck812]

Is Hall trying to show Samuels how to support your teemmates??? Whats the world coming to????

[21forlyfe]

i hope this isn't the beginnings of Hall being controversial and being a smart a** and showing out like he has in the past. honesty is a good thing but you don't tell your mother that her dress sucks. sometimes its better to just be positive and let old stuff in the past where it belongs. hall is showing signs of immaturity with all this coming out honesty.

just shut the frick up and play ball.
yalll are so Fluke on here:laugh:,your Hate for Campbell is crazy,before i even open this thread i knew that people would turn on Hall,becuase they hate JC so much..he has the right to have a opinon!Anway,all i herad on here was good new about Hall,he makes one comment about how he likes Campbell's game....and now Hall is back in the dogg house:doh:

[darrell1106]

There are similarities between Al Davis and Dan Snyder and the way they run the organization. Al Davis was not always a crazy old man though and he did have some success in his career. People think that when you compare the Redskins to Oakland it is all in the negative, but there are some positives also just not in this decade.
IMO, all owners want to win so Snyder is no different there. But I think there are 3 types of owners in this league, and mayber all of pro sports:
1) those that are only interested in making money or money is the bottom line (i.e. Cardinals-but has really good coaching staff and owner is very hands off)
2) those that will do anything to win, money not being an issue (i.e. Redskins, cowboys)
3) those that have a balance. Makes executive decisions, writes the check but at the end is very patient w/ the team. Will not go on a FA spending spree because they either can't afford or don't really believe in that approach (i.e. steelers- enough said)

Is Snyder and JJ as hands on as Uncle Al? Probably not but I think its safe to say that approach in today's NFL has not worked. Neither team (skins, cowboys) have nothing to show over the last 10 years to say other wise (division, conference championship or SB). To Hall's point, we have an owner who tries to do everything possible to win games and eventually a SB but guess what? What's the one constant (maybe 2) throughout our losing drought? Front office;Snyder/Cerrato, minus the marty 8-8 season.

I think D. Hall's point is patience. Can we have a coach, QB, personnel in place for more then 3 yrs? Look at all the SB franchises over the last 5-8years. They've had stability in the front office and the coaching staff.

Give Campbell a freaking chance of this year and 2010 w/ Zorn and his staff. That's my hope but given Snyder's track record it probably won't last beyon 2009.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

All of this sounds to me like what Dan Snyder probably does :)

[wvtbred]

Is Hall trying to show Samuels how to support your teemmates??? Whats the world coming to????

Maybe but then again Hall didn't go to Bama.

[Elessar78]

I actually listened to that broadcast yesterday and I have to say that at least he was honest. Pretty much 90% of athletes are bad interviews because they just put up a wall and spout out same old cliches. Hall actually gave some insight into the Raiders organization and he actually deservedly gave our front office the public criticism it deserves.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Indeed! Every time we think we have it bad we should just look to the West coast and thank God.

HTTR

lol, so we just dont have it as bad as the raiders? that says a lot about danny boy.

[TheLongshot]

I agree with him that most of the trade rumors about Campbell didn't make sense, which is why I didn't believe most of them. I do disagree about Cutler to a certain extent, since the three years left on his contract gives a team more time to judge if he's worth big money over Campbell. I do think that it would have been a slight step back in that Cutler would have to learn the offense and get comfortable with the receivers, something Campbell has already.

[ntotoro]

Indeed! Every time we think we have it bad we should just look to the West coast and thank God.

That's kind of like saying "You know, having crabs isn't so bad. Just think, I could have gonorrhea!"

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

That's kind of like saying "You know, having crabs isn't so bad. Just think, I could have gonorrhea!"


na, its more like, "i might have life long herpes, but at least i dont have AIDS!"

[ntotoro]

na, its more like, "i might have life long herpes, but at least i dont have AIDS!"

Good point.

[nneece]

IMO, all owners want to win so Snyder is no different there. But I think there are 3 types of owners in this league, and mayber all of pro sports:
1) those that are only interested in making money or money is the bottom line (i.e. Cardinals-but has really good coaching staff and owner is very hands off)
2) those that will do anything to win, money not being an issue (i.e. Redskins, cowboys)
3) those that have a balance. Makes executive decisions, writes the check but at the end is very patient w/ the team. Will not go on a FA spending spree because they either can't afford or don't really believe in that approach (i.e. steelers- enough said)

Is Snyder and JJ as hands on as Uncle Al? Probably not but I think its safe to say that approach in today's NFL has not worked. Neither team (skins, cowboys) have nothing to show over the last 10 years to say other wise (division, conference championship or SB). To Hall's point, we have an owner who tries to do everything possible to win games and eventually a SB but guess what? What's the one constant (maybe 2) throughout our losing drought? Front office;Snyder/Cerrato, minus the marty 8-8 season.

I think D. Hall's point is patience. Can we have a coach, QB, personnel in place for more then 3 yrs? Look at all the SB franchises over the last 5-8years. They've had stability in the front office and the coaching staff.

Give Campbell a freaking chance of this year and 2010 w/ Zorn and his staff. That's my hope but given Snyder's track record it probably won't last beyon 2009.

If Snyder is owner #2 then he has followed a bad playbook to get to where he wants to go. Admittedly, in his own choosing, he has had a major albatross around his neck in Cerrato.

Re: Campbell, I think he has the first half of this season to prove himself. After that people's mind will be made up. I was a Campbell supporter, now I am indifferent about him. I want to see him be successful, but he is running out of time to prove himself.

[darrell1106]

If Snyder is owner #2 then he has fallen a bad playbook to get to where he wants to go. Admittedly, in his own choosing, he has had a major albatross around his neck in Cerrato.

Re: Campbell, I think he has the first half of this season to prove himself. After that people's mind will be made up. I was a Campbell supporter, now I am indifferent about him. I want to see him be successful, but he is running out of time to prove himself.

Well I disagree slightly. I think you're right that people will make up their mind by the 8th game or so but I also think if he fails due to poor pass protection and/or no running game due to the OL, then what? Is it still campbells fault? What if we are 6-2 and our defense is carrying us and Campbell isn't losing any games either (aka Big Ben). Will that suffice?

There are several ways we can judge the guy but like I've believed for a while, QB play isn't our biggest concern on this team and it will take a few off seasons to correct what has been, imo, the issue for the last 4-5 season: OL.