PostGameReax: What's the verdict.

[TheBornRedskin]

Well here it is. The 1st unit offensive line did better in basic pass blocking, but they STILL cannot pick up a blitz. The line cannot sustain and consistently run block for the ground game to be effective. Again our RB's have gained yards out of sheer determination and will and that says more about them than the line.

Cult of Colt...it is what it is.

Orakpo was great at rushing the end and getting pressure. But they cannot be serious if they think he can be a SAM LB at this point. Jarmon looked good as well with his hand in the dirt.

The Defense is going to struggle stopping the run, RB's coming out of the back field, and tight ends. They also might have trouble with slants. The biggest reason is the LACK of LB's and true talent at that position. This is why I held off on the defense hype because it seems people forgot all about the defense having linebackers. Gonna need em gonna need em.

It was nice to see Kelly and Thomas but this is truly their first preseason so everybody buckle up.

There's more to this night but I wanna see what the Reax is to the game so post away.

[SIXX99]

Well Orakpo looked amazing tonight and I'm ecstatic about him. The QB's never had enough time to do anything so you can't say much about them. And Tryon needs to pack his bags immediatley.

[bobzmuda]

It was a great first game: No one of importance got hurt.

[TheBornRedskin]

It was a great first game: No one of importance got hurt.

Haha. We did make it with out the big one tonight. I guess that is a victory of sorts.

[redskins fan for life]

Our backup DBs... are not very good. Fred Davis needs to work on his hands. Other than that, I don't think you can take away much from this game.

[TheBornRedskin]

Well Orakpo looked amazing tonight and I'm ecstatic about him. The QB's never had enough time to do anything so you can't say much about them. And Tryon needs to pack his bags immediatley.

Tryon really looked terrible and he didn't look any different from last year. That is very telling. I expected Barnes to get beat but Tryon made Justin Harper look like T.O. Orakpo is gonna be a good one on the edges. Jarmon looked good tonight too.

[bricucci]

1st team line blocked okay, Blache is doing the Williams thing of putting young corners on an Island against top wrs for the other team. Ravens run their Reg Season o and d to get better, we rest players and run vanilla stuff, I'm thinking the Ravens way worked better.

[TheLongshot]

It was a great first game: No one of importance got hurt.

Pretty much. Mostly, this is a game to find out where we are, and the answer is: there's a lot of work to do. The good thing is, there is over a week to focus on improving here. I'll look for some progress next week.

It wasn't all bad. The OL actually played fairly well. Orakpo looked pretty good. Kelly made some plays.

[TheBornRedskin]

Our backup DBs... are not very good. Fred Davis needs to work on his hands. Other than that, I don't think you can take away much from this game.

I agree our depth at DB is gonna be a problem. They are gonna need a vet there. Fred Davis did everything well except hold on to the ball. If he turns the ball over like that we are cooked. We are not a team that can overcome turnovers.

[CRAZYHORSE19682003]

Hope nobody panics, it's the 1st preseason game, the one on one battles were what was important. The O-line looked good, Orakpo and Jarmon looked really really good.

[ragemdw]

Its the end of the world as we know it.............

no really its one preseason game and a bunch of players didnt play

[TheBornRedskin]

Hope nobody panics, it's the 1st preseason game, the one on one battles were what was important. The O-line looked good, Orakpo and Jarmon looked really really good.

I'm hoping we get to see Orakpo, Jarmon, and Haynesworth at some point during the season. These guys can shed blockers like nobody's business. We just have to find a run stuffer. I hope Montgomery can fit that role.

[FanboyOf91]

Gawd, I can't wait to see our D WITH Haynesworth.

[Califan007]

How did Mike Williams look, by the way?

[Toe Jam]

There is no verdict. This is the first preseason game.

Orakpo looked great. Campbell looked 50/50. Colt looked terrible (not entirely his fault). And Todd.. we all know what to expect from him. Solid.

Starting offensive line did great in pass protection. Not so good with run blocking. As Zorn said in the presser... "When it comes to play action, you could almost hear the defense saying 'We don't believe you'!"

Overall, I think there needs to be more organization. Saw some good individual efforts but as a team, we didn't look so hot.

[IbleedBnG83]

Orakpo didn't look as bad at LB as the OP leads on. I think he is still a bit raw but showed some promise. He was stellar at DE!!!

Considering the OL did not have all the starters, I think it did well at pass blocking. I was VERY pleased.

Barnes showed he is still a rook, but he gets a pass. TRYON HOWEVER BLOWS...HARD! He is on the cut list IMO. Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Barnes and I would say Gant.

Backups blow all over the place.

We need help at LB!!!

[knowledge316]

1st unit OL looked good considering all the bad reports from TC

Orakpo at DE looked amazing; didn't hear anything about him at the SAM

Jarmon played well

That was all the good stuff from tonight's game

The Bad: DBs looked terrible, especially Tryon. Better hope Hall and Rogers don't get hurt. LBs are also terrible. There's no depth at LB, can't afford any injuries at that spot either.

2nd and 3rd string OL was awful.

Wasn't impressed by any of the QBs.

Overall the worst player was Fred Davis. Two touches and two fumbles, nothing else needs to be said about his play tonight.

Jim Zorn needs to be better at playcalling. Everything seems so bland. There's no creativity. Everything seemed very predictable.

[TankRizzo]

Campbell doesn't make it past the bye and we start seeing Snyder dinner date rumors in December.

[IbleedBnG83]

How did Mike Williams look, by the way?

He ran with the 3rd team I believe? He looked pretty decent. Didn't really give anything up. Held his ground and moved pretty well.

[VTskins21]

Look okay but i noticed his feet movements were slow. i was watching for that especially after reading about that. and he left early after something about his abs i forget.

Also something positive to take from game. Kelly lead the team in receiving yards! though it was only like 36 yards, one of em showed us what he is made of. Since we know campbell likes overthrowing a lot

[NattyLight]

Orakpo = $.

Jarmen played very well too.

Run blocking sucks balls.

Disenchanting.

[Savetar]

Here it is in a nut shell.

Offense:
The offense couldn't move at all. The Offensive line can't pick up the blitz pressure.
Colt is going to be a bust.

Defense:
Orakpo is a beast on the line. He will be impactful pressuring the QB, however, I don't know about the pass coverage yet. The defensive line when whole should be something to see. The DB's need to stay healthy, because their back-ups suck! Tryon is a BUMB! Grant needs another look. Our tackling was horrendous.

[Voice_of_Reason]

It was a great first game: No one of importance got hurt.
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding, give the man a cookie.

And, by all accounts, the first team offense looked at least compitent. I think JC hit a couple good passes, there were a couple high throws and drops, but it wasn't a complete debacle. It can probably be reasonably assumed that had the first stringers stayed in against each other, the game would have been closer. What came next was more of a debacle.

Also, CP and AH did not play. So that's potentially the 'Skins best offensive and defensive weapons in civies.

[redskins fan for life]

Jim Zorn needs to be better at playcalling. Everything seems so bland. There's no creativity. Everything seemed very predictable.

It's preseason, offenses are supposed to be bland. A, because you don't want to give too much away that coaches can study on film. B, because the point of a preseason game is to evaluate, not win. By calling "generic" plays the coaching staff will be better able to evaluate and instruct later. I mean, a double reverse or a Randle El throw might be cool, but they're not very useful in terms of determining who should make the roster.

[IbleedBnG83]

Orakpo = $.

Jarmen played very well too.

Run blocking sucks balls.

Disenchanting.

Jarmon did play very well.

I agree, run blocking looked like doo-doo, but at the same time, the offense was SOOOOOOO predictable tonight.

I am happy that the pass blocking looked good.

Overall, I think the team learned a lot tonight about where they are at and what they need to improve on and sustain.

[TheBornRedskin]

Orakpo didn't look as bad at LB as the OP leads on. I think he is still a bit raw but showed some promise. He was stellar at DE!!!

Considering the OL did not have all the starters, I think it did well at pass blocking. I was VERY pleased.

Barnes showed he is still a rook, but he gets a pass. TRYON HOWEVER BLOWS...HARD! He is on the cut list IMO. Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Barnes and I would say Gant.

Backups blow all over the place.

We need help at LB!!!

The backups were terrible. For me that stood out because I think you actually saw Vinny Cerrato vs. Ozzie Newsome on display. Ozzie is far superior to Vinny in getting good depth. We definitely can't sustain injuries this season on the offensive line and lb core.

Like I say, I was surprised to see how well they did at straight up pass blocking. But I still was unsettled to see false starts, bad blitz reads, and still no run block push.

Orakpo is gonna be the TRUTH at rushing the QB. So will Jarmon. I just don't think they need to use him at LB right now. They need to get other players some time there.

[IbleedBnG83]

Here it is in a nut shell.

Offense:
The offense couldn't move at all. The Offensive line can't pick up the blitz pressure.
Colt is going to be a bust.

Defense:
Orakpo is a beast on the line. He will be impactful pressuring the QB, however, I don't know about the pass coverage yet. The defensive line when whole should be something to see. The DB's need to stay healthy, because their back-ups suck! Tryon is a BUMB! Grant needs another look. Our tackling was horrendous.

I agree about Grant.

Calling Colt a bust after one game where he ran for his life the whole time...come on

[HawaiianTime]

I'm surprised no one mentioned that Doughty played solid and Sonny thought he was one of the birght spots along side Orakpo.

[Hunter_R]

Colt is going to be a bust.
He can never be a bust. People had to think he would be good before he could become a bust. :evilg:

[IbleedBnG83]

I think MOORE deserves some love. THEY NEED to find a way to get him on the field during the regular season

[Savetar]

I agree about Grant.

Calling Colt a bust after one game where he ran for his life the whole time...come on
True, he did have no time. So I may have to amend and give him another game. But, really he's not a QB that's going to be successful with the O-Line playing mediocre. He needs time, unfortunately it looked like Campbell needed it too. Oy!

[GaryGreenMonk]

when i add up all the factors and consider all the variables and put everything into a complicated equation to determine a final verdict, the undeniable proof is ...

we are the suck.

[Savetar]

He can never be a bust. People had to think he would be good before he could become a bust. :evilg:
LOL. Well, someone needs to tell the Colt Brennan fanatics the deal. This kid is going to major in practice squad play.

[NattyLight]

I don't think anyone got more minutes than Moore tonight. The backup LB's in CB's made 'em look like he was getting burnt when he was just trying to catch up to the ball. There were certainly times where he looked like a heat seeking missile, but he had a ton of exposure this evening and definitely had his work cut out for him.

[knowledge316]

It's preseason, offenses are supposed to be bland. A, because you don't want to give too much away that coaches can study on film. B, because the point of a preseason game is to evaluate, not win. By calling "generic" plays the coaching staff will be better able to evaluate and instruct later. I mean, a double reverse or a Randle El throw might be cool, but they're not very useful in terms of determining who should make the roster.

the comment about Zorn's playcalling isn't just based on this preseason game; it seems that after the 1st Eagles game, his plays has been to not lose the game instead of to win the games

also, everyone is running "generic" plays during preseason, there's absolutely no reason to get shut out;

[knowledge316]

I'm surprised no one mentioned that Doughty played solid and Sonny thought he was one of the birght spots along side Orakpo.

I thought Reed played really well. He seemed to be all over the field.

[mi6]

I am disappointed at what the offense had to show. Frankly, they did not show anything that would reassure me that they are capable of scoring points.

Orakpo, Jarmon did well. It was great to see Devin and Malcom on the field.

Our LBs played poorly.


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Someone wants to see what an elite QB can do -- take a look at what Tom did. And, all of this despite being out for a year with an injury.

[skinsdomination09]

I think MOORE deserves some love. THEY NEED to find a way to get him on the field during the regular season

Moore played great. IMO the three people that stood out on D :

Orakpo
Jarmon
Moore

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

this team looked horrendous beyond words in almost every facet of the game. all 3 QBs did not look good, our running game was nonexistent, and our backup oline is a complete joke.

on defense, tryon looks as awful as he did last year in preseason, barnes got destroyed, we werent tackling well, were were over committing badly on numerous plays, it was just terrible.

the only standouts were kellys awesome catch, orakpos overall play, and jarmons overall play.

23-0. ******* unreal.

[skinsdomination09]

this team looked horrendous beyond words in almost every facet of the game. all 3 QBs did not look good, our running game was nonexistent, and our backup oline is a complete joke.

on defense, tryon looks as awful as he did last year in preseason, barnes got destroyed, we werent tackling well, were were over committing badly on numerous plays, it was just terrible.

the only standouts were kellys awesome catch, orakpos overall play, and jarmons overall play.

23-0. ******* unreal.

Yes the Lions won all preseason games last year with their amazing depth! It probably foreshadowed their 16-0 season!!!:doh:

Wer soooo screwed!

[GaryGreenMonk]

this team looked horrendous beyond words in almost every facet of the game. all 3 QBs did not look good, our running game was nonexistent, and our backup oline is a complete joke.

on defense, tryon looks as awful as he did last year in preseason, barnes got destroyed, we werent tackling well, were were over committing badly on numerous plays, it was just terrible.

the only standouts were kellys awesome catch, orakpos overall play, and jarmons overall play.

23-0. ******* unreal.

QFT... preseason or not.

we are the suck

the"preseason" defense only goes so far... you don't walk out onto that field wanting to see your team perform like crap. You don't necessarily expect to win the game... or even need to... but you want to see good performances. Of which we had almost none.

[downbeat87]

Rocky McIntosh looked really good.

overall, the run blocking and run defense is the only thing that bothered me.

the ravens put a lot more effort in a lot of areas like blitzing and scheming plays where we did more evaluating. i hope we try to do a bit of what they showed their fans when we play at home.

i dunno, JC looked a lot better then last year. i noticed him use his eyes a lot more and did good. theisman said he held onto the ball the one time, but i thought he woulda thrown a pick if he forced it to cooley.

im actually stoked considering what i view was the actual game planning for this game... evaluating.

[Heisenberg]

We're going to win the Super Bowl this year.

[Diabolo]

Running backs are a problem. Betts and Cartwright can't handle the load. If Portis is banged up even for a series, that series is doomed.

Next draft we need atleast spend the 2nd round on a RB and release Betts(Bettis lol)

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Yes the Lions won all preseason games last year with their amazing depth! It probably foreshadowed their 16-0 season!!!:doh:

Wer soooo screwed!


ah the typical it doesnt matter that our team looked dreadful.

yeah the last time the skins went 0-4 they went to the superbowl!!


our starting offense looked just like it did in week 13 of last year, not a single bit of difference.

[ExtremeKILB]

Tyron was...awful.

The good players that everybody listed I would agree with. I though H.B. Blades had some good plays.

Not much else you can say about that game.

[Hail Gibbs]

I know it is only 1 preseason game, but it appears we finally have some real potential quality @ DE. Jarmon and Orakpo looked solid. Now finding a SAM so we can actually play Orakpo at DE.

Everything else was meh. Glad there weren't any major injuries.

[Metskins]

The first preseason game is akin to seeing nip for the first time. You're starved the whole offseason for some action and then you get some and it's cut short with no game plan, no meaning and it isn't going anywhere.

I don't know where I was going with this but I think I had a point.

[Cept One]

PROS:
Daniels - looks to be in great shape and got some pressure off the edge
Orakpo - looked great with his hand in the dirt and decent in pass coverage.
Jarmon - put a lot of pressure on the QB
Hall - looked great in coverage
Kelly - made some good catches
Moore - looks fast and hits hard
Dixon - got some good pressure up the middle (do we have room on the practice squad?)

CONS:
Henson - looked awful in coverage and missed multiple tackles
Clark - was awful in pass protection and needs to be cut before he gets anyone else hurt
Tryon - has not improved in coverage at all
Haggans - cant catch when it really matters
Fincher - missed tackles and was bad in coverage

[ciresolstice]

Pre season or not, this is not how you kick things off. The Bills, Titans, Patriots, Eagles, etc. looked ready, faster, better. running base plays or not... You play how you practice...miss tackling was unacceptable. There were few positives.

[mel25]

they weren't great, but it wasn't as bad as the score shows. i don't recall any of the people we depend on lookin too bad. the o-line looked a lot better than i thought they would. orakpo was a beast at D-end. jarmon got a lot of pressure. kareem moore was blastin people. if he keeps this up, i can see them givin more consideration to puttin him at free and landry more in the box. either way, the cobra package is gonna be vicious. tryon looked horrible. in fairness to the db's, the coaches put them in tough positions on purpose. none of the long shots made a good case for themselves. after all the hype about hagans, he dropped 2 catchable passes. but it's the first game of the preaseason. no reasonable conclusion can be drawn now. well, unless you say we goin undefeated and winnin the superbowl.

[BIGOLEBOB]

Okay the defense looks good but not great. Then again Haynesworth was not in there and neither was Carlos Rogers. What really bothers me is Greg Blache. He reminds me so much of Williams. He thinks he knows everything yet he can't seem to get sacks even when handed pass rushers. Blache is also having corners give 10 yard cushions and he can't seem to understand that you have to teach corners to take away the inside slant on blitzes. Even Sam Huff kept saying it over and over and over during the game even while the corners were getting whipped on inside slants.

either we have stupid corners or Blache just can't seem to get it through his head that corners need to stop playing off 10 yards or they won';t be able to stop the pass.

[GibbsFactor]

I thought Horton sucked.

I thought Tyron sucked.

I thought Griffin and Montgomery sucked.

I think we have concerns at linebacker.

I think that if anyone on offense gets hurt we are really in trouble.

I thought our back up oline sucked.

I thought our preparation sucked.

I thought Hunter Smith looked great.

I thought Orakpo and Jarmon looked great.

I thought the play calling on offense sucked.

I thought Colt was trying way to hard.

I thought Collins looked great. At this point, there is no competition in my opinion.

I think I hate that Vick is on the Eagles.

I think we are a bad sub 500 team.

:mad:

[BIGOLEBOB]

ya know, even if we draft a corner with a first round pick, next year, if Blache continues to force corners or teach corners to play 10 yards off the receiver, then this defense will get beat over and over and over again.

Like Walt Harris who couldn't cover or tackle with the Skins but went to Seattle after he was cut and then led the league in interceptions. Its NOT the players its the SYSTEM AND THE COACHES.

[bishtw]

I know its "just preseason" but it was just preseason for the ravens too. Although I agree the sky isn't falling but they are a few reasons to be concerned. We have 4 more weeks/3 games to fix these issues.

Positives
1st team O'line played better then I expected.
Good stop in the redzone for the 1st time D
Great catch from Kelly
Rock ran hard
ARE looked good in the slot
O'sakpo is gonna be a beast
Reed was all over the field
Westbrook was sharp
MacIntosh laid the wood a very times
We have a punter!!!!

Negitives
Justine Tryon was horrible.
Henson played subpair
Looked like Barnes quit on that TD pass
Davis's hands over slept
D gave up 500 yrds.
Offense shut out, not even close enough to attempt a field goal

[bishtw]

double post opps

[angel2]

My fellow posters - you guys and gals fall for this same old **** every preseason. The Skins are notorious for creating these kind reactions I am reading here. When they do win their first preseason game every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane want to get the band wagon oiled up for the march to the SB.

The coaches need a few players to use as a "here's how not to play it this way" moments they can point at in the film room.

Don't despair my brothers and sisters for it's a matter getting rid of the pretenders.

[skinsfan3880]

I think the biggest thing is that everyone came out ok as far as health wise. There will be the sky is falling crowd but its becoming an expected thing. the almost complete starting o line looked better though run blocking needs be be shored up (or we just need portis running the rock) the starters did there expected motions and got off the field as they arent the ones under the gun. People are going to put too much into this game as a outlook on the season when they should relax and let the preseason take its course. Yes things need to improve and guess what they will. Remember the hall of fame game last year we smacked the colts and what did that get us... Jack exactly the same that this loss will get us absolutely nothing except for those needing "evidence" that (insert starters name here) needs to go or to just piss moan and call us the "suck".


All in all win or lose its not a big deal right now you will see progression as the preseason moves along. Jason looked less tenative like he should and this doesnt in any way shape or form ruin my expectations for what should be a Playoff year for the skins.

[tshile]

didn't read the thread yet. but wanted to post my .02

orakpo looked good. starting defense looked good.

starting offense looked like the second half of last season. honestl the O line looked like it has progressed a bit (at the start), and may be able to play much better. We'll see if that holds past the halfway mark.

the addition of kelly and thomas, with portis and moss, will make a HUGE difference, I can already tell. I'm excited to see Moss, Thomas, Kelly, with portis in the backfield and cooley sitting on an end. I think that if those 5 guys can stay health, and o line continues to progress and hold up, we're going to have a very good offense. Thats banking on a lot of people that notoriously get injured (minus cooleY), but if they all stay healthy I think we're going to be a lot better than anyone anticipated....


The DUDS of the game/People I hoped would show improvement:
- Tryon. He's ****ing terrible, I've been saying it since last year. He either needs to improve, or be ST only.
- Davis... I expected a lot better than 2 fumbles. The good news is thats an easy fix... I just expected much more out of someone who is so hyped for their play in practice
- Colt Brennan. He looked terrible. I was really hoping he would look good, but I guess its only one game
- Barnes. First year, i'llg ive him a break - and that blown zone coverage may have been someone else's fault (hensen), but he was the closest person. I just expected more :shrug:

STUDS/unexpected players:
- Orakpo, kelly, Thomas all looked good, but honestly we should expect them too
- Dixon - D Line, One of the guys I'm cheering for, he looked like he had some solid potential fromw hat I saw
- Hensen (henson?) the backup MLB. I like this kid, he was in the right places at the right times. He almost had the interception, and he blocked a pass (unintentionally), just by being in the right spot when attacking a player attemping to catch a ball. If he uses his head and looks around a little more he could be amazing. He possibly blew some zone coverage (that made barnes look bad), but we wont know unless the coach specifically tells us that... I'm going to be cheering for this kid as well.
- Jarmon - Looked pretty good considering he should have had 1 more year at college and was taken in a suplemental draft. We may have a reallly good D line for the first time in 10 years, and not just have overrated players. I'm cheering for jarmon.


So far I've picked those 3 as my 'root for' every time they're on the field. I'll read the rest of this thread tomorrow. Got work in the morning.


Go skins, nice to see them on the field again.

[BigMike21]

I thought we looked pretty bad.....like we were unprepared or really rusty or something. I know it's preseason and the backups played so much tonight but it is so disheartening to see us post 0 points after an offseason of complaining about our offensive scoring.

[squatch66]

you cant make an assumption on how the entire team is going to perform based on the first preseason game in which many of our key starters were not even playing. we are going to have trouble stopping the run? haynesworth didnt even play tonight. our defense has an entirely different identity on the field with him.

you cant make claims based on a meaningless game. preseason is mainly to grade rookies and get the first team a few reps. all i care is that no one went down tonight.

[E-Dog Night]

The offense failed to score a single point and the defense gave up 500 yards. They managed, barely, to get into Ravens territory only once. They had five 3 & outs, three other drives of 4 plays, and only one drive with double-digit # of plays.

1st preseason game or not, that has to be a concern. There have a been a few seasons recently where the Redskins have looked nearly identical in the regular season - at least early on - as they did in the preseason, so I am not firmly in the "preseason means nothing" camp.

What's especially terrifying is that they looked so similar to disfunctional Redskins teams of the past. Passes that come up just short on 3rd downs; almost every drive seems to start deep in their own territory; no run game, no blitz pickup; defense on the field for an eternity. Stalled drives with totally listless plays.

Yeah yeah yeah, it's only the 1st preseason game, and no, the sky isn't falling and I'm not panicking. But I like to see something in the preseason that indicates progress and a high level of competence, or some type of spark that could turn into a fire. You know, that certain something that makes you say, "Yeah baby, we're going to see that all the time this season, and it's gonna be sweet".

I saw nothing like that.

[NoCalMike]

OK here's a question. Was there enough things that stood out on the positive side to make someone like me, (who didn't see it live) wanna actually spend the time to watch the replay tomorrow night?

From everything I've read, the game just seem like one big vanilla-bland fest. Campbell was 3-6. With 6 pass attempts it is hard to make any type of judgement whatsoever.

It seems like the only thing worth watching this game for is Orakpo!

[NoCalMike]

Also, as far as "don't worry it's preseason, it's meaningless" Well that is true to a certain extent, I mean I don't see anyone doubting our Defense, even though the Ravens had 500 total yards.

Our Defense has the reputation that allows us fans to be at ease during the preseason, because we know what happens once the regular season starts.

The offense? I'm sorry but that unit hasn't done anything in the last few seasons to get that benefit of the doubt from the fans. I can't sit through another preseason of 4 games of poor execution, a line that can't run-block, 3rd down plays short of the marker etc etc etc........

I can careless about winning the game, but it's the lack of execution that is worrysome. When every other team is out there scoring some type of points, it worries me that in a preseason game, none of our units could score even a field goal against any of the other team's units.

Of course, in hindsight, The D of the Ravens, Steelers, & Pats will probably be tougher then 90% of the teams we play in the regular season.

[BigMike21]

OK here's a question. Was there enough things that stood out on the positive side to make someone like me, (who didn't see it live) wanna actually spend the time to watch the replay tomorrow night?

From everything I've read, the game just seem like one big vanilla-bland fest. Campbell was 3-6. With 6 pass attempts it is hard to make any type of judgement whatsoever.

It seems like the only thing worth watching this game for is Orakpo!

Actually yeah a big vanilla-bland fest is a great description of it. It's still worth watching the replay because it's still Skins football! As long as the logo is on the helmet I'll watch.

[McD5]

After 5 preseason games last year, the team might have just said **** it, concerning preseason games this year. Let's hope that is the case.

If that isn't the case, the entire organization looks lost.

[Redskinizzle]

What impressed me was Colt Brennan. Even on that interception he looked spectacular!

The way he was running with those strong legs thrusting and pumping with each stroke of his stride like a majestic unicorn galloping across a wide open plain, touching the ground yet at the same time floating along like a magical beast.

He was really something out there!

[E-Dog Night]

OK here's a question. Was there enough things that stood out on the positive side to make someone like me, (who didn't see it live) wanna actually spend the time to watch the replay tomorrow night?


I'd say no, honestly. Maybe watch the first three or four plays then turn it off.

I guess there was a drive in the 2nd half where Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis all had catches. Davis actually has 2 catches on that drive; unfortunately, he fumbled after both of them, losing the 2nd one.

[bigyim]

Campbell doesn't make it past the bye and we start seeing Snyder dinner date rumors in December.


Great...you waited until page 2 to change this thread into a "Campbell sucks" thread.

Much better self-control...you get a cookie. Buh-bye.

[Xero21]

How did Mike Williams look, by the way?

From what I saw, he looked good. I don't think he got beaten once, then again he came out with an injury so not sure how long he played.

[BIGOLEBOB]

I;m still having a hard time dealing with the FACT that the wimpy Ravens offense sliced through the Redskins FIRST TEAM DEFENSE and ended up inside the 5 yard line to kick a field goal on the very first drive of the year. Whew! What in the hell is up with the Redskins billion dollar defense? And why is Fletcher covering fast running backs out of the backfied? Most defensive coordinators would put a safety on a running back catching passes because Fletcher cannot cover scatbacks. He just can't.

Missed tackles by the FIRST TEAM DEFENSE? wOw. Thats poor coaching and poor practice. And THATS on Blache.

[thesubmittedone]

What impressed me was Colt Brennan. Even on that interception he looked spectacular!

The way he was running with those strong legs thrusting and pumping with each stroke of his stride like a majestic unicorn galloping across a wide open plain, touching the ground yet at the same time floating along like a magical beast.

He was really something out there!


:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[C26 Run]

Anyone who looks at this game as just another preseason game is seriously fooling themselves. This team looked heartless. The same problems that hurt our last 8 games are hurting us now. All TC I've heard about how much improvement our offense had made. Where were the improvements?

It was the first preseason game, so I expected some penalties and miscommunications but not scoring at all hurts a whole lot more. We can't be as dismissive as previous seasons. We can't afford that luxury. This team is in need of a serious jolt and I don't know what that is but something has to happen.

Say what you want about Gregg Williams but no way would he dismiss that poor performance by the Defense. Maybe the defensive side of the ball does need some up/downs. As hard as Williams was, our starting D wouldn't have gotten sliced up like that in our first preseason game. :helmet:

[BigMike21]

I;m still having a hard time dealing with the FACT that the wimpy Ravens offense sliced through the Redskins FIRST TEAM DEFENSE and ended up inside the 5 yard line to kick a field goal on the very first drive of the year. Whew! What in the hell is up with the Redskins billion dollar defense? And why is Fletcher covering fast running backs out of the backfied? Most defensive coordinators would put a safety on a running back catching passes because Fletcher cannot cover scatbacks. He just can't.

Missed tackles by the FIRST TEAM DEFENSE? wOw. Thats poor coaching and poor practice. And THATS on Blache.

Hmm maybe but they did hold it to a field goal at the end there. It will come together and 100 Mil of that Billion Dollar defense wasn't in there tonight. I'm not saying they looked good but I am definitely more worried about the offense at this point.

[BIGOLEBOB]

I wish Zorn could get an eye exam and glasses. He talked about how Jason Campbell look MUCH improved over last year at this time and how Jason's release was quicker and he was making better decisions, etc. Lets get him an eye exam asap. Also that statement about Fred Davis having a really good off season and being light years ahead of last year.

Just when we needed Davis to oversleep he wakes up and plays and fumbles.

[Santana_89]

Say what you want about Gregg Williams but no way would he dismiss that poor performance by the Defense. Maybe the defensive side of the ball does need some up/downs. As hard as Williams was, our starting D wouldn't have gotten sliced up like that in our first preseason game. :helmet:


Even though it really doesn't matter now .I think our defense was better when Gregg was here too. This isn't a knock against Blache because I like him as well. I don't see that same agressiveness that use to be there.

Anyway all phases of this team needs to STEP IT UP ASAP!!

[ncr2h]

Reality check. Orakpo's stats for the game: 1 tackle.

I mean he didn't look bad out there, but cmon guys. He did not play "great". He was not "a beast". He was pretty much a non-factor against the 1st team Oline (except for one play where he came on a *stunt* [in preseason] and managed to flush the QB out of the pocket). He showed some good edge speed against the 2nd team Oline and got a couple of pressures. Overall he played ok. He didn't look bad or anything, but it's absurd that half our fanbase is acting like he tore it up out there. He didn't do anything I haven't seen Chris Wilson do.

I'm not trying to **** on Orakpo, I'm just a little pissed off right now. We get all this "inside info" and exclusive coverage of training camp from these reporters and bloggers, and all they do is blow smoke up our asses. "Improved" Justin Tryon - looked like the exact same Justin Tryon I saw last year. Devin Thomas is ready to take the #2 job from Randle-El...he looks slightly improved, maybe. Orakpo is the next Demarcus Ware, no wait...the next LT! He looked like a solid starter, nothing more. If you're going to report on our team, quit with the ****ing agendas.

Now, hopefully I'm wrong and everyone just played like **** tonight. Maybe they're all actually much improved. But honestly I think there's only one player out there who actually did a good job today - Malcom Kelly. He made some tough grabs, didn't shy away from contact after the catch, showed some soft hands...**** now that I think about it even he had a bad play - the one where he made a grab on 3rd down but he cut his route off before the first down marker. **** it, everyone was pretty bad tonight.

[BIGOLEBOB]

Even though it really doesn't matter now .I think our defense was better when Gregg was here too. This isn't a knock against Blache because I like him as well. I don't see that same agressiveness that use to be there.

Anyway all phases of this team needs to STEP IT UP ASAP!!

I concur especially about the defense. The best players on on the defense and yet they just don't seem to get excited or fired up. Maybe haynesworth and Orakpo together can get these guys motivated somehow. I mean the redskins attitude is just B-L-A-N-D. same as the coaches.

[Rskins91]

As someone who was there at the stadium, here are my observations.

1.) Orakpo looked good and was used very creatively. I saw him being used on stunts multiple times, and one play, he stunted right into Troy Smith's face, causing an incompletion. He also forced a holding penalty. Overall, very good on his part. Jarmon also looked good, causing some pressure and batting a ball down.

2.) The offense was bland. Like, really bland. The run blocking consisted of "try and push the guy ahead of you as far as possible with no help," while the passing game was "run this route and see what happens." Very evaluation based offense.

3.) Tryon got abused like a red-headed stepchild. I have no idea why he sucked so much, but he needs to get his **** together ASAP.

4.) The young pass catchers did pretty good, minus Davis. He won't see the field if he can't hold onto the damn ball.

5.) Not all of what happened with the 3rd string O-line and Colt was their fault. If you looked down field, there was absolutely NO ONE open on almost every play. The offensive lineman had to hold their blocks longer cause of this and also made Colt try and force errant throws.

6.) Campbell was OK, nothing amazing. His throws were pretty good and he didn't do anything particularly wrong. Probably did the best of all the QBs.

7.) Pass blocking was pretty good. Everyone could hold their own and the only time the pressure got through was when Cooley whiffed, so hopefully we'll be alright on that front.

Overall, hard to see with this game. I'm concerned considering this game was a beatdown, but it's tough to gauge when our best offensive and defensive players were missing. If I'm coach Zorn, I'm emphasizing how to stop YAC (easily over 100 yards on that alone) and telling my lineman to hit the sled so they can get back into run blocking gear. That's where the starters and backups need help the most.

[ncr2h]

I wish Zorn could get an eye exam and glasses. He talked about how Jason Campbell look MUCH improved over last year at this time and how Jason's release was quicker and he was making better decisions, etc. Lets get him an eye exam asap. Also that statement about Fred Davis having a really good off season and being light years ahead of last year.

Just when we needed Davis to oversleep he wakes up and plays and fumbles.


Honestly I think the fanbase is being a little harsh on Davis. His fumbles are easily correctible - he needs to just cover the ball with both hands. I think people are overreacting about that. Come game 3 or 4 of preseason and he's still fumbling? Then we actually have a problem.

I'm not too mad at Davis, he made some decent catches.

[hoskins]

Hmm maybe but they did hold it to a field goal at the end there. It will come together and 100 Mil of that Billion Dollar defense wasn't in there tonight. I'm not saying they looked good but I am definitely more worried about the offense at this point.

I'm not that worried about the defense because we saw them play very well just 8-9 months ago. And Orakpo looked great tonight. As did Daniels. And in a real game situation if Rogers or DHall or Smoot were to go down, I'm sure the staff would give Tryon a little more help than they did today. Assuming he even keeps that #4 CB job.

But, the offense was pretty pathetic last time we saw them in real action. And tonight looked like more of the same. Unless they show us something different, we have to kind of assume that it's same old same old on that side of the ball. Unfortunately.

[redskins55]

The verdict is we have a bunch of role players and no real playmakers! Outside of Moss, Portis, Haynesworth, and Orakpo we are really vanilla. We NEED a change of pace RB with blazing speed to compliment Portis and make some plays! We NEED a WR to be able to go and get a ball and stop expecting passes to be perfect. We need a coach that actually knows what he's doing. Brady had 15 attempts, McNabb had 18 attempts, Campbell.. 6 attempts!! Come on!

[VTskins21]

Orakpo only have 1 tackle and no sacks, because he was held like 2 or 3 teams he had easily beaten his man. Add that with the pressure he brought, had it not been for smith it probably wouldve been sacks, he had a good game

[VTskins21]

you can't blame campbel for only having 6 attempts when we couldnt keep a drive alive. i think he had 2 drops by hagans in the first drive alone, and one was a deep one where hagans had to jump but he was wide open. Moss or Kelly, and thats an easy catch and another 3 downs. and more pass opportunities for him. Also Brady played longer than Jason, idk about mcnabb though

[Warhead36]

Pass protection wasn't bad early on. Campbell continues to take too long to throw, and overthrow guys. He did go through a couple reads quite nicely early though. Tough to really evaluate without Portis and Moss.

Defense gave up some plays, mostly Tryon though. I thought he was much improved? He might have looked WORSE than last year. Orakpo looked great though. The D should be fine.

Mostly I was just worried about the pass protection from the starting OL and it actually looked pretty good, all things considered. I don't really care how the backups do, if any of the 3rd/4th string have to play a major role for us we're ****ed anyway.

[Rskins91]

Orakpo only have 1 tackle and no sacks, because he was held like 2 or 3 teams he had easily beaten his man. Add that with the pressure he brought, had it not been for smith it probably wouldve been sacks, he had a good game

I agree with this assessment. Though Orakpo didn't put up stunning numbers in the form of tackles and sacks, he pressured the QB a few times and could have gotten a sack if not for the times he was held.

Now, imagine him next to Big Al, and I'd be willing to bet the pressures turn into sacks.

[jkypoo]

If preseason is any indication of how well the season is going to go, then Spurrier should be on the fast track to the Hall of Fame. I would rather we screw up now so things can get fixed before the season, before games matter. Everything we see negative about the game, the coaching staff sees, too...I hope.

[GothSkinsFan]

Didn't watch the game so I have no observations, except, if you watch the SB champs episode of the '91 Skins, Bostic observs that every year Gibbs would go into preseason with 3 runs and 4 passes (or somesuch), they'd get killed and he'd yell at them for not executing properly. So Bostic complained that it's as if Gibbs wanted them to look bad. Well, it got them to working on basics which paid dividends in the real season. Let's not read too much into this. (Oh, and I just have to say it: the opposite of "win" is NOT "loose" -- that's the opposite of "tight" -- it's LOSE. Yeah, it's a quirk of English, but it's not so rare that sports fans have no business learning.)

[BigMike21]

Pass protection wasn't bad early on. Campbell continues to take too long to throw, and overthrow guys.......Mostly I was just worried about the pass protection from the starting OL and it actually looked pretty good, all things considered.

I agree with this and hope it gets some press but doubt it will since the team as a whole looked pretty bad. But yeah, I thought the offensive line looked pretty good to me compared to all the doom and gloom articles we have been reading for the last month. Campbell continues to throw too high and too long, just as Warhead put out there. He needs to make his decisions earlier. I just hope Zorn kept it so simple that we really didn't have a chance to do much cause if not we just looked like a bad team out there flat out.

[BleedinBurgNGold]

How in the Hell is Tryon in the NFL? Some bum was taking his lunch on the same slant route ALL Night. My Grandmother would have eventually caught on to what was happening!

[tomahawks]

I know the sky isn't falling, but the rain sure is heavy. It's just preseason doesn't fly here. I heard that a few years back, and we only won five games. What is it going to take for reality to set in? I've watched the blue star oinment team (cowbums), and they didn't look as bad as we did tonight. All I'm saying is this. With all the problems we have on this team, they won't be fixed or improved upon in a week or a month. It takes years to be a contender. I truly hope I'm wrong. But at least the pukes lost. It makes things a little better.

[SirClintonPortis]

Not good. There's a lot of fixing to do. Haynesworth was sorely missed. I knew they were gonna bend a lot, but this bending is right near breaking. Tryon needs to fix it up some more. Running game was NONEXISTENT; that's an indictment on the O-line's run blocking.

I was not able to catch JC's first drives, but I'm always skeptical of the 'taking forever' to throw accusations without time-lapse photos as evidence.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

JC looked like he always does: short safe throws for low yardage. he was 3/6, didnt attempt to stretch the field once.

colt looked bad, but i liked colts approach a lot more, and colt was getting DESTROYED behind that "line" (if you can call it that). those of you claiming that campbell was running for his life last year, i hope you got a look at colt: that is what a real QB running for his life looks like. that backup unit should apologize to the kid cause that was brutal. colt was attempting to stretch the field which is good. he had a great pass to a backup over the middle that the dude dropped, he had a nice sideline pass that was a little overthrown (but moss or any starter is fast enough to get it). his stat line was bad, his pick was a 50/50 shot cause it looked like it was in our dudes hands as well, but either way, i still like that the guy actually tries to move the ball vertically down the field.

i still wanna see colt with moss/thomas/kelly/ARE.

[redskins55]

you can't blame campbel for only having 6 attempts when we couldnt keep a drive alive. i think he had 2 drops by hagans in the first drive alone, and one was a deep one where hagans had to jump but he was wide open. Moss or Kelly, and thats an easy catch and another 3 downs. and more pass opportunities for him. Also Brady played longer than Jason, idk about mcnabb though

That's my point... when Zorn saw Campbell looking pretty good but the offense not clicking he should've kept Campbell in. Brady and McNabb had more attempts because they both played longer. They played longer because their COACHES kept them in for some valuable work and it paid off!

[LB Dizzle]

we need to cut Marques Hagans (#80) IMMEDIATELY!!! He dropped TWO 3rd down conversions in our first couple series and that is unacceptable! We could have had more 1st team offensive reps if it werent for his brick hands. We have got to get someone else in there to get a chance who can actually catch the ball like a WR is supposed to

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Running backs are a problem. Betts and Cartwright can't handle the load. If Portis is banged up even for a series, that series is doomed.

Next draft we need atleast spend the 2nd round on a RB and release Betts(Bettis lol)



Mannn, Ive been saying this for the last few years. And of course, everyone gets in their feelings, "oh, I love Ladell Betts, he's such a nice guy. He's a true Redskin, Betts and Portis are one of the top running back tandems in the NFL, blah blah blah".

He's a borderline bum, and we need a MONSTER back in our backfield to help our suspect run game and our mediocre QB. Portis does his thing, but Im ready for the day when he is our #2 back behind our franchise RB.

[SkinsGuy]

we need to cut Marques Hagans (#80) IMMEDIATELY!!! He dropped TWO 3rd down conversions in our first couple series and that is unacceptable! We could have had more 1st team offensive reps if it werent for his brick hands. We have got to get someone else in there to get a chance who can actually catch the ball like a WR is supposed to


I don't know how good Hagans will or won't be, but that sideline drop was NOT his fault.

That was on CAMPBELL.

There was no one around Hagans for 15 yards. He was WIDE open. There was no reason for Campbell to put the mustard on that pass like he did.

He just needed to toss it to him, not rocket to him like a missile. If Hagans hadn't got a hand on it, that ball probably would've went into the stands. :)

Campell didn't look horrible tonight, but I wasn't that impressed.

[Morpheus'skins]

I know the sky isn't falling, but the rain sure is heavy. It's just preseason doesn't fly here. I heard that a few years back, and we only won five games. What is it going to take for reality to set in? I've watched the blue star oinment team (cowbums), and they didn't look as bad as we did tonight. All I'm saying is this. With all the problems we have on this team, they won't be fixed or improved upon in a week or a month. It takes years to be a contender. I truly hope I'm wrong. But at least the pukes lost. It makes things a little better.


And living in the Detroit area, I can tell you that the Lions looked like they were playoff bound after their 4-0 pre-season last year including strong performances from the first team.... How did that work out for them??? Let's all step back from the ledge.

[daddy8ball]

Yeah, yeah....we weren't playing our starters etc. etc.

Neither were the Ravens.

The overall "vibe" of the two teams was markedly different. The Ravens (yes, even their second stringers) were crisp, motivated and driven.

The 'Skins (for the most part) looked slow, lost, and uncaring.

[skinsdude]

Yeah, yeah....we weren't playing our starters etc. etc.

Neither were the Ravens.

The overall "vibe" of the two teams was markedly different. The Ravens (yes, even their second stringers) were crisp, motivated and driven.

The 'Skins (for the most part) looked slow, lost, and uncaring.

I totally agree. Get used to this kind of talk around here for the rest of the preseason. It happens every year. "It's only preseason. "It's only preseason". Well it was only preseason for the Ravens too and they put up 23 points. How many did we put up? Oh yea zero.

[Voice_of_Reason]

Yeah, yeah....we weren't playing our starters etc. etc.

Neither were the Ravens.

The overall "vibe" of the two teams was markedly different. The Ravens (yes, even their second stringers) were crisp, motivated and driven.

The 'Skins (for the most part) looked slow, lost, and uncaring.
Well, they better start caring, because 30 of them are going to be looking for jobs in about 3 weeks.

[Pungopal]

Bottom line is if Portis cannot gain over 100 yards per game we lose. I hate to keep repeating myself but We Will Never Win On Campbell's Arm Alone. Pray to the football gods that nothing happens to our running game this year.

[skins island connection]

Well I didn't get a chance to see the game. is it even on the web, i looked everywhere but couldn't find it, so the radio had to do.
It sounded like Orakpo will be a very promising player, and with Haynesworth, the d should be improved alot.
Buy from what i heard, it sounded as though the skins made an appearance, and thats about it; but i wouldn't expect to see much til the 3rd pre-season game, then i'll start to ***** cry and whine some.

Is it true that Tryon got played like a 5 dollar fiddle, all night long???

[brianm23]

ZERO points on the board says it all. It says our offense is still lacking and all signs point to us finishing last in our division as long as it continues.

[grhqofb5]

What we saw last night is the same thing we've been seeing for the last 5 years. Its the same group of players, they're just a little bit slower, older, fatter, and maybe dumber. Guess this formula should work, after all it's only the 6th time we've tried it.

[mnb123]

What we saw last night is the same thing we've been seeing for the last 5 years. Its the same group of players, they're just a little bit slower, older, fatter, and maybe dumber. Guess this formula should work, after all it's only the 6th time we've tried it.

The line played pretty good...

Most of the troubles were caused by the young players

[HailYeah]

What you saw last night was a very deep football team pounding a very shallow team in an exhibition game. What concerns me the most is the lack of depth at o-line (where our guys are fat and slow), linebacker (our guys are very small and not good tacklers), and secondary (our guys are very small).

One team is able to evaluate and aquire decent talent to fill its 53, the other is clearly not.

Ozzie Newsome: 23
Cerrato and Co: 0

Generally, good football players are big and fast and strong. Our football team is not. You might say: it wasn't the starters. Believe me depth in the NFL is more important than any other sport so if you dont think having zero qualified backups is a big deal, you are in for a surprise. I am not, nor have I ever been in the Redskins "hate camp." I'm just looking at what I saw last night.

[21forlyfe]

I'm hoping we get to see Orakpo, Jarmon, and Haynesworth at some point during the season. These guys can shed blockers like nobody's business. We just have to find a run stuffer. I hope Montgomery can fit that role.
sorry ,the only way this stubborn coaching staff will play them consistantly is if somone gets injuried and they are force to be playing

[hobbie8046]

Hope nobody panics, it's the 1st preseason game, the one on one battles were what was important. The O-line looked good, Orakpo and Jarmon looked really really good.

Words of wisdom. I kept thinking that over and over listening to the callers to the JT show on the way in to work today. The reason they moved the ball so well on us is because they ran short passes to the RBs and slants constantly while we ran a simple man to man almost every play. We did this to test one on one battles. The only way to stop those kinds of plays is zone. We should get a better idea of things next week unless Pitt decides to play that way as well (which judging by their game they won't).

[Wyndorf25]

We need help at LB!!!


Derrick Brooks anyone?

or Rosie Colvin, Roderick Green, Napoleon Harris, Willie McGinest, Carlos Polk, or *gulp* Marcus Washington?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

what i find even more disturbing is this offense looked exactly how it did in week 14 of last season. not a single bit of difference.

if this is what our offense has to offer were in major trouble.

[gortiz]

i try to keep positive about this stuff, but man, not even pushing the ball into scoring position is not accpetable.

giving up 500 yards is brutal ...

the fumbles, colt's horrible INT, The Comb stopping short of that first down ...

If there is no cause for concern after last nights game, it is going to be a nice 7-9 year.

[gortiz]

What you saw last night was a very deep football team pounding a very shallow team in an exhibition game. What concerns me the most is the lack of depth at o-line (where our guys are fat and slow), linebacker (our guys are very small and not good tacklers), and secondary (our guys are very small).

One team is able to evaluate and aquire decent talent to fill its 53, the other is clearly not.

Ozzie Newsome: 23
Cerrato and Co: 0

Generally, good football players are big and fast and strong. Our football team is not. You might say: it wasn't the starters. Believe me depth in the NFL is more important than any other sport so if you dont think having zero qualified backups is a big deal, you are in for a surprise. I am not, nor have I ever been in the Redskins "hate camp." I'm just looking at what I saw last night.


this is so dead on ...

last night was disturbing on so many levels.


so much more bad than good, and you can not argue that.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i try to keep positive about this stuff, but man, not even pushing the ball into scoring position is not accpetable.

giving up 500 yards is brutal ...

the fumbles, colt's horrible INT, The Comb stopping short of that first down ...

If there is no cause for concern after last nights game, it is going to be a nice 7-9 year.


i originally predicted 7-9 but last nights team looked like a 3-13 machine. although with portis, moss, and haynesworth, theyre good for another 4 wins.

[IbleedBnG83]

After a good nights sleep, I'm in complete control of my emotions today. It was the first game of the preseason. If we were horrible or great last year, and if we were horrible or great last night, is not telling of this season.

HAS ANYONE LEARNED THIS YET!?!?!??

Lots of film for the coaches to break down and for the players to learn from.

Next game, we should be seeing some marked improvements.

[Skins21!]

The starting O-line looked better at pass protection but they only played a couple of series. Will they be able to hold up over a long season. It is clear we have no depth on the o-line so we had better stay healthy. I wish Zorn had kept the starters in the game until they developed some rhythm. The defense should be fine. I would love to see Hayneworth, Jarmon, and Orakpo rushing the qb on clear passing downs. We need help at the LB position. Marcus Washington anyone? The secondary will be ok with our starters, but I was disappointed with Tryon. I have heard such good things about him in OTA's. Colt is still a gunslinger and is not ready to be our starter. He has much to learn about the offense but I admire the fact that he throws the ball downfield. In my opinion, we may win 8 games this season. Mike Shanahan will be hired next season, we will draft a qb, a center, and a right tackle. Maybe then our offense will be able to compete at a high level.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

After a good nights sleep, I'm in complete control of my emotions today. It was the first game of the preseason. If we were horrible or great last year, and if we were horrible or great last night, is not telling of this season.

HAS ANYONE LEARNED THIS YET!?!?!??

Lots of film for the coaches to break down and for the players to learn from.

Next game, we should be seeing some marked improvements.



the point is there was no progress from last years horrid breakdown to yesterdays terrible performance. we looked identical. thats not good. we were supposed to be improving and it doesnt look like we have one iota. thats why im even more concerned.

[IbleedBnG83]

i originally predicted 7-9 but last nights team looked like a 3-13 machine. although with portis, moss, and haynesworth, theyre good for another 4 wins.

You are a mess. Preseason means nothing. Remember Spurrier's preseason? How about when the team went 0-4 in preseason and looked worse than last night and won the Super Bowl. Or in '91 they went 1-3 and won the SB.

Lesson: Preseason means NOTHING!!! Its not indicative.

Side Lesson: BLC is a doom and gloomer and not rational

[IbleedBnG83]

the point is there was no progress from last years horrid breakdown to yesterdays terrible performance. we looked identical. thats not good. we were supposed to be improving and it doesnt look like we have one iota. thats why im even more concerned.

What did the coaches game plan for? How much of the playbook was included? Did they put players and the team in certain situations to evaluate them? How are the coaches feeling?

Listen, there is SOOOO MUCH we don't know. Really. This is why I hate preseason because its a fallacy. There is so much that is not seen or known to make a RATIONAL judgement other than certain players abilities.

Yes, there were more negatives than positives in terms of depth. But at this point, thats it.

[RedskinsTime]

We don't know how Zorn was calling the plays. Last year he pulled out his whole bag of tricks in the hall of fame game and everyone was calling for super bowl, which is just as retarded as saying were going 3-13 after one ****ing preseason game.

It doesn't count.

[redskins55]

The starting O-line looked better at pass protection but they only played a couple of series. Will they be able to hold up over a long season. It is clear we have no depth on the o-line so we had better stay healthy. I wish Zorn had kept the starters in the game until they developed some rhythm. The defense should be fine. I would love to see Hayneworth, Jarmon, and Orakpo rushing the qb on clear passing downs. We need help at the LB position. Marcus Washington anyone? The secondary will be ok with our starters, but I was disappointed with Tryon. I have heard such good things about him in OTA's. Colt is still a gunslinger and is not ready to be our starter. He has much to learn about the offense but I admire the fact that he throws the ball downfield. In my opinion, we may win 8 games this season. Mike Shanahan will be hired next season, we will draft a qb, a center, and a right tackle. Maybe then our offense will be able to compete at a high level.



If you think Shanahan will come coach for Snyder and Cerrato then your nuts! :hysterical:

[IbleedBnG83]

We don't know how Zorn was calling the plays. Last year he pulled out his whole bag of tricks in the hall of fame game and everyone was calling for super bowl, which is just as retarded as saying were going 3-13 after one ****ing preseason game.

It doesn't count.

Exactly. Its all fake.

I think the only thing that we can really take away is out depth. Our backup OL suck. Our LB depth sucks. And we may struggle at CB if we suffer an injury.

They need to look more at this kid Grant.

[redskins55]

We don't know how Zorn was calling the plays. Last year he pulled out his whole bag of tricks in the hall of fame game and everyone was calling for super bowl, which is just as retarded as saying were going 3-13 after one ****ing preseason game.

It doesn't count.

I wold agree with this point but my only concern is the players didnt seem like they really came to play though.

That's all coaching! you've gotta have your team ready to play no matter what!

[redskins55]

Exactly. Its all fake.

I think the only thing that we can really take away is out depth. Our backup OL suck. Our LB depth sucks. And we may struggle at CB if we suffer an injury.

They need to look more at this kid Grant.

Right.. we are a few key injuries away from 0-16 which is a reflection of our front office and their lack of knowledge in building a team.

[wbar3383]

Last season Detroit went 4-0 in the preseason.

WTF are you scared littles bitches whining about so early for ?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

wow, some of you guys are just refusing to look at what you saw. this team played horribly. our first team offense looked exactly like it did last year when we were on our 2-6 descent. i dont care what plays were called or not, the execution just wasnt there.

call that doom and gloom if you will, but thats what actually happened and this team was straight up embarrassed yesterday. theres nothing wrong with going 0-4 in the preseason, its how you go 0-4 that counts.

are you trying to tell me you wont think it means anything if our starting offense cant muster a point over the next 3 games?

[RedskinsTime]

wow, some of you guys are just refusing to look at what you saw. this team played horribly. our first team offense looked exactly like it did last year when we were on our 2-6 descent. i dont care what plays were called or not, the execution just wasnt there.

call that doom and gloom if you will, but thats what actually happened and this team was straight up embarrassed yesterday. theres nothing wrong with going 0-4 in the preseason, its how you go 0-4 that counts.

are you trying to tell me you wont think it means anything if our starting offense cant muster a point over the next 3 games?

The starting offense played all of two series. If there's a rule change and the games only last for half of the first quarter, then yeah we're in trouble.

Until then, I will reserve judgement.

[IbleedBnG83]

wow, some of you guys are just refusing to look at what you saw. this team played horribly. our first team offense looked exactly like it did last year when we were on our 2-6 descent. i dont care what plays were called or not, the execution just wasnt there.

call that doom and gloom if you will, but thats what actually happened and this team was straight up embarrassed yesterday. theres nothing wrong with going 0-4 in the preseason, its how you go 0-4 that counts.

are you trying to tell me you wont think it means anything if our starting offense cant muster a point over the next 3 games?

So if our starting offense played the way it did against the Colts last year, we should be jumping for joy!?

Funny thing is, working in Bmore...Ravens fans are even saying its no big deal, its just preseason. But yet everyone here is freaking out

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

So if our starting offense played the way it did against the Colts last year, we should be jumping for joy!?

Funny thing is, working in Bmore...Ravens fans are even saying its no big deal, its just preseason. But yet everyone here is freaking out


im freaking out cause all offseason i heard how much we improved, how much better campbell was with "another year in the system", how good justin tryon has been progressing, etc.

none of that was true. if you had not told me yesterday was preseason and just showed me our offensive series with campbell, id have thought you were showing me game film from the 08 week 14 game. not a single bit of difference.

thats not good.

[NomadicSkinFan]

either we have stupid corners or Blache just can't seem to get it through his head that corners need to stop playing off 10 yards or they won';t be able to stop the pass.

Or maybe.... just maybe.... He was just seeing what they could do when left on an island. It continues to amaze me how many people know so much more than the guy that's been doing this (very successfully I might add) for decades.

[Never4get#21]

I have to agree with BLC. You would expect the first team to look sharp. JC is coming into his second year under the same system. He looked flat foot and confused. The OL did ok but didnt get a good push for Betts. They played 2 series and gave up a sack.

RAK looked great as a DE, but in space as a SAM he was lost. Fletch repositioned him twice and he got beat on a simple out route that should've been a TD. I hope Blache has enough of a brain to put RAK at DE and leave him there. RAK was great with his hands in the dirt. Constant pressure. Imagine when Big Al plays along with him.

The good thing to comeout is that the teams lofty expectations took alittle reality check. Let's see game 2 before we all start looking at next seasons top 5 draft picks :) .

[NomadicSkinFan]

What did the coaches game plan for? How much of the playbook was included? Did they put players and the team in certain situations to evaluate them? How are the coaches feeling?

Listen, there is SOOOO MUCH we don't know. Really. This is why I hate preseason because its a fallacy. There is so much that is not seen or known to make a RATIONAL judgement other than certain players abilities.

Yes, there were more negatives than positives in terms of depth. But at this point, thats it.

Why is this so hard for to people to grasp? The purpose of the pre-season is not to win games, but to evaluate players, plays, formations, etc. Not to mention the fact that we were playing IN Baltimore. Last time I checked, the Ravens fans and team treat this game as a mini Superbowl. So the fact that the Ravens played with a lot more energy then us is not surprising either. Now, if they look like this the first 2 games of the season, I'll be a bit concerned.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I have to agree with BLC. You would expect the first team to look sharp. JC is coming into his second year under the same system. He looked flat foot and confused. The OL did ok but didnt get a good push for Betts. They played 2 series and gave up a sack.

RAK looked great as a DE, but in space as a SAM he was lost. Fletch repositioned him twice and he got beat on a simple out route that should've been a TD. I hope Blache has enough of a brain to put RAK at DE and leave him there. RAK was great with his hands in the dirt. Constant pressure. Imagine when Big Al plays along with him.

The good thing to comeout is that the teams lofty expectations took alittle reality check. Let's see game 2 before we all start looking at next seasons top 5 draft picks :) .

we were about as sharp as a plastic spoon from IHOP. so bad.

and i agree about RAK, he looked so good as a DE, he was pushing dudes all over the place, collapsing the pocket, but as a LB he was not very effective.

i really hope we sign another linebacker and not try and force this kid into a role he isnt good at. if our offense is gonna be THIS bad, we cannot have gaps like him on our defense.

this is 2004 all over again.

[skeenzfan]

My fellow posters - you guys and gals fall for this same old **** every preseason. The Skins are notorious for creating these kind reactions I am reading here. When they do win their first preseason game every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane want to get the band wagon oiled up for the march to the SB.

The coaches need a few players to use as a "here's how not to play it this way" moments they can point at in the film room.

Don't despair my brothers and sisters for it's a matter getting rid of the pretenders.

Yeah..keep drinking the cool-aid. Seems like Redskin coaches are the only one's that need those kind of moments to point at in the film room. Other teams and coaches seem to be willing to take the "here's how to play" moments they can point to in the film room.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

we were about as sharp as a plastic spoon from IHOP. so bad.

and i agree about RAK, he looked so good as a DE, he was pushing dudes all over the place, collapsing the pocket, but as a LB he was not very effective.

i really hope we sign another linebacker and not try and force this kid into a role he isnt good at. if our offense is gonna be THIS bad, we cannot have gaps like him on our defense.

this is 2004 all over again.

Agree completely, what about Marcus Washington? Is he still available? If so I would re-sign him in a minute just to keep Orakpro playing his natural DE position.

The offense... .don't even get me started. Horrible. I know it's early but they just looked awful. Mainly the offensive line but JC didn't look all that great either except the one pass to EL over the middle. That was a nice play.

[tshile]

wow, some of you guys are just refusing to look at what you saw. this team played horribly. our first team offense looked exactly like it did last year when we were on our 2-6 descent. i dont care what plays were called or not, the execution just wasnt there.

call that doom and gloom if you will, but thats what actually happened and this team was straight up embarrassed yesterday. theres nothing wrong with going 0-4 in the preseason, its how you go 0-4 that counts.

are you trying to tell me you wont think it means anything if our starting offense cant muster a point over the next 3 games?


oh come on.

you have no idea what the coaches were doing. The preseason is for evaluating individual talent when an individual has a moment to shine.

The way preseason works is (this is probably the only smart thing Joe Theisman has every said) this:
- Find a play where an individual had a moment to shine
- Ask yourself : Did he shine? Did he show that he may shine in the future? Or did he completely blow it?
- For an individual compare all of these chances, and their outcomes, and form an opinion.

If you're looking at a preseason game as a chance to rank a team as a whole (offense or defense), then you're retarded.
There are so many factors:
- who was on the field for the other team?
- who is on the field with the player for his team (his supporting cast)?
- was the play going his way, or was he covering for someone elses mistakes?
- is the player in the position hes supose to play, or are we trying him at something new to see how he does?
- is the player 100% health?
- did the player do what he was suppose to do in regards to the play the coach called - was he where he was suppose to be?

That last point is curcial, and what coaches care about most. For example, Horton looked awesome last preseason - INTS, fumble recovers, etc. The problem was, he got all those when he was out of position... Yes, He got an interception in a preseason game... but he got it because he was out of position, and the ball bounced his way.
I'm not knocking horton at all - i'm just giving you some insight. Thats what the coaches said about his play last year.


The bottom line is the coaches aren't running the whole playbook, important starters aren't even dressed, and you have entire 2nd/3rd/4th team players on the field. You cannot evaluate them on a team performance. Hopefully you never see mroe than 2 or 3 backups on the field at a time in a real game - normally teams that have to do that have terrible seasons, and its due to the injuries...

So stop predicting a terrible season, and start talking about who should be cut/kept and who looks good/bad, because thats what the preseason is for...

[HailYeah]

Right.. we are a few key injuries away from 0-16 which is a reflection of our front office and their lack of knowledge in building a team.

And you saw last night what a good front office (Ozzie Newsome) can do to a bad front office (Vinney Cerrato). Team depth is all FO. No politics, money, media attention influending decisions. Plain and simple: can you pick players that can play football. 23-0 says it all.

This is the main thing I take away from last night's game. It couldn't be any clearer in my mind.

[RedskinsTime]

And you saw last night what a good front office (Ozzie Newsome) can do to a bad front office (Vinney Cerrato). Team depth is all FO. No politics, money, media attention influending decisions. Plain and simple: can you pick players that can play football. 23-0 says it all.

This is the main thing I take away from last night's game. It couldn't be any clearer in my mind.

Agree completely. Depth is greatly lacking, and that is the only thing I take away from last nights game.

[HailYeah]

Why is this so hard for to people to grasp? The purpose of the pre-season is not to win games, but to evaluate players, plays, formations, etc.


How about evaluating the front office in how they are evaluating players? The depth on this team is pathetic.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

oh come on.

you have no idea what the coaches were doing. The preseason is for evaluating individual talent when an individual has a moment to shine.

The way preseason works is (this is probably the only smart thing Joe Theisman has every said) this:
- Find a play where an individual had a moment to shine
- Ask yourself : Did he shine? Did he show that he may shine in the future? Or did he completely blow it?
- For an individual compare all of these chances, and their outcomes, and form an opinion.

If you're looking at a preseason game as a chance to rank a team as a whole (offense or defense), then you're retarded.
There are so many factors:
- who was on the field for the other team?
- who is on the field with the player for his team (his supporting cast)?
- was the play going his way, or was he covering for someone elses mistakes?
- is the player in the position hes supose to play, or are we trying him at something new to see how he does?
- is the player 100% health?
- did the player do what he was suppose to do in regards to the play the coach called - was he where he was suppose to be?

That last point is curcial, and what coaches care about most. For example, Horton looked awesome last preseason - INTS, fumble recovers, etc. The problem was, he got all those when he was out of position... Yes, He got an interception in a preseason game... but he got it because he was out of position, and the ball bounced his way.
I'm not knocking horton at all - i'm just giving you some insight. Thats what the coaches said about his play last year.


The bottom line is the coaches aren't running the whole playbook, important starters aren't even dressed, and you have entire 2nd/3rd/4th team players on the field. You cannot evaluate them on a team performance. Hopefully you never see mroe than 2 or 3 backups on the field at a time in a real game - normally teams that have to do that have terrible seasons, and its due to the injuries...

So stop predicting a terrible season, and start talking about who should be cut/kept and who looks good/bad, because thats what the preseason is for...


lol at the coaches arent running the playbook. remember when we heard that in 06, it was our "vanilla offense" and they were gonna break out "the real playbook" come week one? i sure do. dont give me that garbage, our offense didnt execute anything, we looked completely terrible, all 3 units did.

0 points. spin that however you want, even the lamest plays executed well could have gotten us into field goal range at the very least.

[jnhay]

The Defense is going to struggle stopping the run, RB's coming out of the back field, and tight ends. They also might have trouble with slants. The biggest reason is the LACK of LB's and true talent at that position. This is why I held off on the defense hype because it seems people forgot all about the defense having linebackers. Gonna need em gonna need em.

So they're going to do everything they did yesterday consistently throughout the season. I see no analysis there.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

And you saw last night what a good front office (Ozzie Newsome) can do to a bad front office (Vinney Cerrato). Team depth is all FO. No politics, money, media attention influending decisions. Plain and simple: can you pick players that can play football. 23-0 says it all.

This is the main thing I take away from last night's game. It couldn't be any clearer in my mind.


awesome post. i agree, our depth (mainly at oline, CB, LB) is pretty terrible, especially oline. ive never seen a line collapse so badly. missing blitz pickups and getting manhandled. youd think these guys had never played football.

[RedskinsTime]

lol at the coaches arent running the playbook. remember when we heard that in 06, it was our "vanilla offense" and they were gonna break out "the real playbook" come week one? i sure do. dont give me that garbage, our offense didnt execute anything, we looked completely terrible, all 3 units did.

0 points. spin that however you want, even the lamest plays executed well could have gotten us into field goal range at the very least.




Jason Campbell On if there is a gameplan for Thursday’s game:
“There’s not much. There’s some but not much. You’re not going to throw your whole offense and whole defense out there in the preseason. You use these games to get you back in the flow and back into the rhythm of playing; getting ready for the regular season games. The regular season games are the ones that count and go down into the record books, not the preseason games. You do want to go out there and compete and put your best effort forward.”

Nice try though.

[tshile]

lol at the coaches arent running the playbook. remember when we heard that in 06, it was our "vanilla offense" and they were gonna break out "the real playbook" come week one? i sure do. dont give me that garbage, our offense didnt execute anything, we looked completely terrible, all 3 units did.

0 points. spin that however you want, even the lamest plays executed well could have gotten us into field goal range at the very least.


i'm not spinning it.

i'm just not so ignorant as to forecast the entire season as a misserable one due to a ****ty first preseason game.

overreact much?

[bobzmuda]

lol at the coaches arent running the playbook. remember when we heard that in 06, it was our "vanilla offense" and they were gonna break out "the real playbook" come week one? i sure do. dont give me that garbage, our offense didnt execute anything, we looked completely terrible, all 3 units did.

0 points. spin that however you want, even the lamest plays executed well could have gotten us into field goal range at the very least.

You were on the "Spurrier's taking us to the Super Bowl" bandwagon weren't you?

:point2sky <--Rod Gardner

[tshile]

You were on the "Spurrier's taking us to the Super Bowl" bandwagon weren't you?

:point2sky <--Rod Gardner
:doh:
if so that amkes a lot of sense... if you're going to base going to superbowl off preseason, then you'll probably base going under .500 on the preseason too.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

this is ridiculous. how can some of you guys not remember these exact same excuses in 06?? its like a broken record that you guys think is spinning correctly. weve heard all this vanilla offense crap before, and its exactly that: crap. when our offense doesnt execute we get the "well we only ran a few plays and this isnt our real offense".

tell me something, were the ravens running their "real" offense? or their "vanilla" offense. whatever flavor it was, it tasted better than ours.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

0 points. spin that however you want, even the lamest plays executed well could have gotten us into field goal range at the very least.


Did the skins even manage to cross mid field? I don't think so because they weren't even close enough to THINK about kicking field goals. Awful. Pathetic. Sad. Even the backups couldn't produce squat. The offensive line is awful.

[PapaDRoc]

Just a thought I feel like not too many people have mentioned..... Kareem Moore looked awesome last night. He was flying all over the place hitting people left and right. He played great last preseason if I remember correctly. He was the lone bright spot in our secondary last night IMO. :2cents:

[RedskinsTime]

this is ridiculous. how can some of you guys not remember these exact same excuses in 06?? its like a broken record that you guys think is spinning correctly. weve heard all this vanilla offense crap before, and its exactly that: crap. when our offense doesnt execute we get the "well we only ran a few plays and this isnt our real offense".

tell me something, were the ravens running their "real" offense? or their "vanilla" offense. whatever flavor it was, it tasted better than ours.

Crap? How is it crap? Campbell said this BEFORE Thursday nights game. I'll post it again in case you didn't read it the first time:


Jason Campbell on if there is a gameplan for Thursday’s game:
“There’s not much. There’s some but not much. You’re not going to throw your whole offense and whole defense out there in the preseason. You use these games to get you back in the flow and back into the rhythm of playing; getting ready for the regular season games. The regular season games are the ones that count and go down into the record books, not the preseason games. You do want to go out there and compete and put your best effort forward.”

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Jason_Campbell_Training_Camp_Media_Session_46622.j sp



But I guess that's "ridiculous" because it's the opposite of what you said.

[SWFLSkins]

Skins looked like the bottom feeders they are ... no one should be surprised or crestfallen ... there is only way to go. Bright spots: Rakzilla, Jarmon, Wilson, Collins, Hatchette, Kelly, and Agnone. Brennan seemed nervous ... but who wouldn't be behind that 3rd string line.

Doc Gloom aka Colt Apologist. Campbell did nothing to lose his job in this game and if the run game does not take off, you basically would need Tom Brady to save this offense. So none of the QB's stand a chance. But thankfully Portis is in the garage and is feeling rested. :D

[SWFLSkins]

I know it is only 1 preseason game, but it appears we finally have some real potential quality @ DE. Jarmon and Orakpo looked solid. Now finding a SAM so we can actually play Orakpo at DE.

Everything else was meh. Glad there weren't any major injuries.

Could Derrick Brooks play SAM? HE is still on the market.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Could Derrick Brooks play SAM? HE is still on the market.


we need to sign him ASAP. i mentioned this a month ago. good call.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Crap? How is it crap? Campbell said this BEFORE Thursday nights game. I'll post it again in case you didn't read it the first time:



http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Jason_Campbell_Training_Camp_Media_Session_46622.j sp



But I guess that's "ridiculous" because it's the opposite of what you said.


no, its ridiculous because its a stupid excuse for our team looking like garbage. and you obviously dont remember these exact comments in 06 when our team looked like garbage.

continue burying your head in the sand, i wont stop you.

[tshile]

this is ridiculous. how can some of you guys not remember these exact same excuses in 06?? its like a broken record that you guys think is spinning correctly. weve heard all this vanilla offense crap before, and its exactly that: crap. when our offense doesnt execute we get the "well we only ran a few plays and this isnt our real offense".

tell me something, were the ravens running their "real" offense? or their "vanilla" offense. whatever flavor it was, it tasted better than ours.


its ok

you keep judging the entire team as whole based on the first preseason game.

the rest of us with a clue will wait until a few regular season games have been played before we cast judgement on the players/coaches as whole.


I'm not saying you're 'wrong', i'm saying you don't have enough information (neither do we) to determine how good/bad the team will be yet.

But keep pretending you have something noone else in the world does - the ability to effectively grade a team in the first preseason game.

[RedskinsTime]

no, its ridiculous because its a stupid excuse for our team looking like garbage. and you obviously dont remember these exact comments in 06 when our team looked like garbage.

continue burying your head in the sand, i wont stop you.

These comments are made every year, regardless of how we do.

Good offense in preseason- facing vanilla defense
Bad offense in preseason- running vanilla offense

Both stances are correct

[Skinsfan4life83]

Well here it is. The 1st unit offensive line did better in basic pass blocking, but they STILL cannot pick up a blitz. The line cannot sustain and consistently run block for the ground game to be effective. Again our RB's have gained yards out of sheer determination and will and that says more about them than the line.

Cult of Colt...it is what it is.

Orakpo was great at rushing the end and getting pressure. But they cannot be serious if they think he can be a SAM LB at this point. Jarmon looked good as well with his hand in the dirt.

The Defense is going to struggle stopping the run, RB's coming out of the back field, and tight ends. They also might have trouble with slants. The biggest reason is the LACK of LB's and true talent at that position. This is why I held off on the defense hype because it seems people forgot all about the defense having linebackers. Gonna need em gonna need em.

It was nice to see Kelly and Thomas but this is truly their first preseason so everybody buckle up.

There's more to this night but I wanna see what the Reax is to the game so post away.

:doh:Are you serious? One preseason game, not even two whole series for the STARTING defense and they wont be able to stop the run, slants etc? Calm down for god sake, AH wasnt playing, this defense is gonna be stellar this year, period.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

its ok

you keep judging the entire team as whole based on the first preseason game.

the rest of us with a clue will wait until a few regular season games have been played before we cast judgement on the players/coaches as whole.


I'm not saying you're 'wrong', i'm saying you don't have enough information (neither do we) to determine how good/bad the team will be yet.

But keep pretending you have something noone else in the world does - the ability to effectively grade a team in the first preseason game.

i have something that everyone else has: eyeballs. hopefully everyone saw what i saw last night: a team that hasnt improved one bit.

call it preseason, call it vanilla, make up whatever you want for as to why we looked dreadful, at the end of the day: we looked dreadful.

and i predicted 7-9 for this team long before this game, my prediction is just looking more correct (or frankly too good because if our offense really is this bad, were looking at 2004 all over again: All D, No O)

[youngestson]

These comments are made every year, regardless of how we do.

Good offense in preseason- facing vanilla defense
Bad offense in preseason- running vanilla offense

Both stances are correct

You hit the nail on the head!

Incidentally, their vanilla looked a lot better then our vanilla.

[Skinsfan4life83]

1st unit OL looked good considering all the bad reports from TC

Orakpo at DE looked amazing; didn't hear anything about him at the SAM

Jarmon played well

That was all the good stuff from tonight's game

The Bad: DBs looked terrible, especially Tryon. Better hope Hall and Rogers don't get hurt. LBs are also terrible. There's no depth at LB, can't afford any injuries at that spot either.

2nd and 3rd string OL was awful.

Wasn't impressed by any of the QBs.

Overall the worst player was Fred Davis. Two touches and two fumbles, nothing else needs to be said about his play tonight.

Jim Zorn needs to be better at playcalling. Everything seems so bland. There's no creativity. Everything seemed very predictable.

:doh:First preseason game, just a friendly reminder:D

[RedskinsTime]

You hit the nail on the head!

Incidentally, their vanilla looked a lot better then our vanilla.

This I will concede.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

These comments are made every year, regardless of how we do.

Good offense in preseason- facing vanilla defense
Bad offense in preseason- running vanilla offense

Both stances are correct


when was the last time we had a really good offensive showing in the preseason?? id like to know.

in 06 our team went 0-4. we never scored more than 14 points in a game.
in 07 our team went 2-2. we never scored more than 14 points in a game.
in 08 our team went 3-2. we scored more than 14 points twice (30 and 17)

we scored 30 points in the hall of fame game. aside from that, for the past 3 years, and now including today, we have scored over 14 points 2 out of 13 games.

and STILL, that isnt a cause for concern??

[Skinsfan4life83]

JC looked like he always does: short safe throws for low yardage. he was 3/6, didnt attempt to stretch the field once.

colt looked bad, but i liked colts approach a lot more, and colt was getting DESTROYED behind that "line" (if you can call it that). those of you claiming that campbell was running for his life last year, i hope you got a look at colt: that is what a real QB running for his life looks like. that backup unit should apologize to the kid cause that was brutal. colt was attempting to stretch the field which is good. he had a great pass to a backup over the middle that the dude dropped, he had a nice sideline pass that was a little overthrown (but moss or any starter is fast enough to get it). his stat line was bad, his pick was a 50/50 shot cause it looked like it was in our dudes hands as well, but either way, i still like that the guy actually tries to move the ball vertically down the field.

i still wanna see colt with moss/thomas/kelly/ARE.


HAHAHAHA So you are just dismissing the shoddy oline play from last year, and using it as a excuse for Colt this year? Come on man:doh:Get real. Let's watch him audible into another interception, yeah he did stretch the field cuz he played half the friggin game:doh:. STOP THE HATE:D

[Skinsfan4life83]

i have something that everyone else has: eyeballs. hopefully everyone saw what i saw last night: a team that hasnt improved one bit.

call it preseason, call it vanilla, make up whatever you want for as to why we looked dreadful, at the end of the day: we looked dreadful.

and i predicted 7-9 for this team long before this game, my prediction is just looking more correct (or frankly too good because if our offense really is this bad, were looking at 2004 all over again: All D, No O)


:chair: That's your uninformed opinion. Just tell Zorn to call the commish and tell them we forfiet all our games for the season, BASED ON ONE PRE-SEASON GAME:doh:

[RedskinsTime]

when was the last time we had a really good offensive showing in the preseason?? id like to know.

in 06 our team went 0-4. we never scored more than 14 points in a game.
in 07 our team went 2-2. we never scored more than 14 points in a game.
in 08 our team went 3-2. we scored more than 14 points twice (30 and 17)

we scored 30 points in the hall of fame game. aside from that, for the past 3 years, and now including today, we have scored over 14 points 2 out of 13 games.

and STILL, that isnt a cause for concern??

2002:

Preseason: 4-1, scoring over 30 points 4 times

Regular season: 7-9, scoring over 30 points 2 times

[Bryan81]

The team looked very much like the team that went 2-6 to finish the season last year.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

2002:

Preseason: 4-1, scoring over 30 points 4 times

Regular season: 7-9, scoring over 30 points 2 times


and both spurrier led teams averaged more points per game than our current team does. and both teams have had bad QB play. hmmmm lol.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

The team looked very much like the team that went 2-6 to finish the season last year.


exactly. i saw no improvement from last year.

[knowledge316]

people need to stop using "vanilla" as an excuse; i posted this on another thread about what to expect from preseason games; in that thread i mentioned that i would be pissed if i hear players/fans use that term to describe the poor performance

everyone, all 32 teams, are running vanilla O and D b/c they don't want to show too much, i get that and it's true...however, that doesn't mean that we continuously go 3-and-out and can't execute any plays

JC was the 1st to use it as an excuse last night...when one of the sideline reporter interviewed him, he mentioned something along the line of oh we don't want to show too much and running basic plays and such

i don't care for the w/l records in these games, but would like to see the team perform 100x better than what was displayed last night

it was a pathetic showing and i'm not sure Zorn is a capable HC

[RandyHolt]

it all looked about the same as last year. Defense hangs in there bends doesnt break, then finally breaks without help from the offense. Zorn used shotgun on 3rd and 6; there is hope. I am bummed to think that Orakpo will only get to rush the passer on 3rd downs. What a waste. Our Oline still struggles with blitz pickups. When will this ever be addressed proper.

[NomadicSkinFan]

no, its ridiculous because its a stupid excuse for our team looking like garbage. and you obviously dont remember these exact comments in 06 when our team looked like garbage.

continue burying your head in the sand, i wont stop you.


Yes, and everything was peaches and cream after Osaka. I'm not going to get high or low after the first freaking pre-season game.

[tshile]

i have something that everyone else has: eyeballs. hopefully everyone saw what i saw last night: a team that hasnt improved one bit.

call it preseason, call it vanilla, make up whatever you want for as to why we looked dreadful, at the end of the day: we looked dreadful.

and i predicted 7-9 for this team long before this game, my prediction is just looking more correct (or frankly too good because if our offense really is this bad, were looking at 2004 all over again: All D, No O)

nice.

season predictions off of one preseason game.

you sir, are truely an idiot.

[NomadicSkinFan]

lol... notice how the doom and gloom patrol is mostly made up of NNT posters. Classic.

[Skinsfan4life83]

exactly. i saw no improvement from last year.

Even if this team came out and scored 30 points in the first quarter, you would still complain about something:doh:

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

it all looked about the same as last year. Defense hangs in there bends doesnt break, then finally breaks without help from the offense. Zorn used shotgun on 3rd and 6; there is hope. I am bummed to think that Orakpo will only get to rush the passer on 3rd downs. What a waste. Our Oline still struggles with blitz pickups. When will this ever be addressed proper.


thats how the majority of our games were last year, and looking at yesterday its still the same.

imagine how pissed snyder must be right now. lol

[3rdstring]

Yes the Lions won all preseason games last year with their amazing depth! It probably foreshadowed their 16-0 season!!!:doh:

Wer soooo screwed!


:rotflmao:

[Never4get#21]

Agree completely. Depth is greatly lacking, and that is the only thing I take away from last nights game.


That one of the main reasons that I didnt jump on the "championship" bandwagon during camp. Our guys are practicing against one another. Our talent is with our starters and falls way off after that.

When you here Tryon is doing great in camp...against who?

You hear F. Davis is unbelievable in camp...yeah because we cant tackle. He woke up real quick in Baltimore.

The best one is "Colt's come a long way.." yeah he looked good against those 3rd stringers lawl.


Pre-season is a way to evaluate talent. Coach Blache said he's going to make cuts after this game! If you had to evaulate the talent on this team "after this game" and make that decision who would you all cut? Some of you have been drinking too much koolaid thinking this game ment nothing.

BLC is right in that this game is a pre-curser to the season because this game will shape the team that's going to be our 09 Redskins. You look at the tape. Who do you all keep?

[Pungopal]

A couple of questions: Remember how we used to scrimmage the Ravens before preseason? Did we quit doing that? If so, maybe this was the problem last night. We didn't realize preseason had started. I just hope we don't miscount the number of games and think that the NY game is the last preseason game.

[gortiz]

And you saw last night what a good front office (Ozzie Newsome) can do to a bad front office (Vinney Cerrato). Team depth is all FO. No politics, money, media attention influending decisions. Plain and simple: can you pick players that can play football. 23-0 says it all.

This is the main thing I take away from last night's game. It couldn't be any clearer in my mind.


bingo ...

here is the thing ...that team is run so wellt hat you can plug in a rookie qB, plug in a rookie head coach, and plug in a new offensive coordinator and BOOM ...YOU GET 11-5 and trip tot he ACF Champ game.

[tomahawks]

Jason Campbell On if there is a gameplan for Thursday’s game:
“There’s not much. There’s some but not much. You’re not going to throw your whole offense and whole defense out there in the preseason. You use these games to get you back in the flow and back into the rhythm of playing; getting ready for the regular season games. The regular season games are the ones that count and go down into the record books, not the preseason games. You do want to go out there and compete and put your best effort forward.”

I can't believe JC actually said this. Does anyone have him saying this quote with a straight face. :chair:
BTW, I'm not on the ledge. Just sitting on the cliff. :D

EDIT: Just read the quote was pregame, but it still makes no sense to say one thing and do another. Hey maybe after this evaluation is over, we can start playing some football.