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Mickalino
August-13th-2009, 10:22 PM
Wow, when I first saw the headline, I figured he was dumped because it was an anti-cop reference, but it was health-related, albeit a reference to Dunkin Donuts. But STILL, this is overkill !!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32405418/ns/health-more_health_news/?GT1=43001

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Dr. Jason Newsom railed against burgers, french fries, fried chicken and sweet tea in his campaign to promote better eating in a part of the country known as the Redneck Riviera. He might still be leading the charge if he had only left the doughnuts alone.

A 38-year-old former Army doctor who served in Iraq, Newsom returned home to Panama City a few years ago to run the Bay County Health Department and launched a one-man war on obesity by posting sardonic warnings on an electronic sign outside:

"Sweet Tea Liquid Sugar."

"Hamburger Spare Tire."

"French Fries Thunder Thighs."

He also called out KFC by name to make people think twice about fried chicken.

Then he parodied "America Runs on Dunkin'," the doughnut chain's slogan, with: "America Dies on Dunkin'."

Some power players in the Gulf Coast tourist town decided they had had their fill.

A county commissioner who owns a doughnut shop and two lawyers who own a new Dunkin' Donuts on Panama City Beach turned against him, along with some of his own employees, Newsom says. After the lawyers threatened to sue, his bosses at the Florida Health Department made him remove the anti-fried dough rants and eventually forced him to resign, he says.

"I picked on doughnuts because those things are ubiquitous in this county. Everywhere I went, there were two dozen doughnuts on the back table. At church, there were always doughnuts on the back table at Sunday school. It is social expectation thing," says Newsom, a lean 6-foot, 167-pounder in a county where 39 percent of all adults were overweight in 2007 and one in four was considered obese.

Doughnuts barred from meetings
Newsom was hired by the state Health Department to direct the county agency. His $140,000-a-year salary is paid jointly by the state and the county. His job primarily involves educating the public about health issues — swine flu, AIDS and the like — but he also decided to address the dangers of glazed, sprinkled and jelly-filled treats.

He angered staff members by barring doughnuts from department meetings and announcing he would throw the fat-laden sweets away if he saw them in the break room. He also banned candy bars in the vending machines, putting in peanuts instead.

In May, lawyers Bo Rivard and Michael Duncan, co-owners of a new Dunkin' Donuts, asked Newsom to take down the "America Dies on Dunkin'" message. Newsom already had run other anti-doughnut warnings, including "Doughnuts Diabetes," and "Dunkin' Donuts Death."

The businessmen had the backing of County Commissioner Mike Thomas, who owns a diner and a doughnut shop. Thomas called for Newsom's ouster, saying the doctor shouldn't have named businesses on the message board.

"I think he was somewhat of a zealot," Thomas says. "I don't have a problem with him pushing an agenda, it's the way he did it. People borrowed money to go into business and they are being attacked by the government."

Doctor wants job back
A short time after Newsom's meeting with Rivard and Duncan, Newsom says, his bosses at the state Health Department told him that his leadership wasn't wanted and that he could be fired or resign. He chose to resign May 8 but has reapplied for the job.

"I have never been known for my subtlety. I don't have a knack for it. I speak the truth to people and just assume that that my data and purpose are so real and true that everyone will see the value of what I'm doing," says Newsom, who now works at a prison, doing exams of inmates.

Rivard and Duncan did not return numerous calls to their offices.

"Dunkin' Donuts is pleased that the signs have been removed," Andrew Mastrangelo, a spokesman for Canton, Mass.-based Dunkin' Donuts said in an e-mail.

The Florida Health Department has refused to talk about Newsom since he is considered a job applicant. "We will be happy to talk to you after the position has been filled," department spokeswoman Susan Smith said in an e-mail.

Newsom is hoping to get his job back so that he can resume his campaign against overeating.

"My method was a little provocative and controversial," he says, "but there wasn't a person in Bay County who wasn't talking about health and healthy eating."

Thiebear
August-14th-2009, 05:46 AM
A county commissioner who owns a doughnut shop and two lawyers who own a new Dunkin' Donuts on Panama City Beach turned against him,


Sums it all up right there.


***His job primarily involves educating the public about health issues*****
(Unless it affected city officials of course)

twa
August-14th-2009, 06:04 AM
Educating or attacking?

The health nazi needed a good swift kick in the nads in return.

The county is lucky Dunkin didn't sue them.

Corcaigh
August-14th-2009, 06:48 AM
Attacking a specific brand would seem to be the problem, not that he doesn't like doughnuts.

Larry
August-14th-2009, 09:09 AM
Educating or attacking?

The health nazi needed a good swift kick in the nads in return.

The county is lucky Dunkin didn't sue them.

Right. Everybody knows that slogans = Hitler.

:)

squatch66
August-14th-2009, 09:34 AM
Attacking a specific brand would seem to be the problem, not that he doesn't like doughnuts.

ding ding ding!!!!


The businessmen had the backing of County Commissioner Mike Thomas, who owns a diner and a doughnut shop. Thomas called for Newsom's ouster, saying the doctor shouldn't have named businesses on the message board.

Mickalino
August-14th-2009, 10:39 AM
Attacking a specific brand would seem to be the problem, not that he doesn't like doughnuts.

Even if it was a specific brand, isn't it within his free speech to do so ?
Commercials are allowed to attack a brand but HEALTH EXPERTS are not ?
When does it become slander ?
It's not like it was an outright lie that has been proven to be wrong.

81artmonk
August-14th-2009, 10:57 AM
Does this story prove that fat people are overly sensitive??

Major Harris
August-14th-2009, 11:14 AM
Does this story prove that fat people are overly sensitive??
no, because we don't know if the county commissioners and lawyers that own the doughnut shops are fat or not.

it does prove that you don't think things through very well.

Corcaigh
August-14th-2009, 11:32 AM
Even if it was a specific brand, isn't it within his free speech to do so ?
Commercials are allowed to attack a brand but HEALTH EXPERTS are not ?
When does it become slander ?
It's not like it was an outright lie that has been proven to be wrong.

It's within his free speech as a citizen, but he wasn't fired from being a citizen. :) He's fired making statements critical of one brand over another and for misusing his position as a government health expert.

It's one thing for a government health expert to say "fast food burgers are high in saturated fats and don't belong in a healthy diet" and another to say "McDonald's will kill you". Because the latter would unfairly target McDonalds brand.

He said "America Dies on Dunkin". The Dunkin brand includes coffee, corn muffins and other products, none of which are lethal. And the occasional doughnut won't kill you either.

Mickalino
August-14th-2009, 11:58 AM
Newsom, a lean 6-foot, 167-pounder in a county where 39 percent of all adults were overweight in 2007 and one in four was considered obese.

That stat kind of makes you understand his campaign.

Thinking Skins
August-14th-2009, 12:05 PM
but the more important question is, is he a 'real American'?

Mickalino
August-14th-2009, 12:06 PM
but the more important question is, is he a 'real American'?

Yes, because he was insultingly slamming his views down a certain demographic's throats :silly:

MurrayH81
August-14th-2009, 01:07 PM
Even if it was a specific brand, isn't it within his free speech to do so ?
Commercials are allowed to attack a brand but HEALTH EXPERTS are not ?
When does it become slander ?
It's not like it was an outright lie that has been proven to be wrong.

What he says is true.

The problem with what he said and electronically posted as a government employee is that he attacked a specific corporation by name. That will always get you black-balled as a government (or even private) employee in a health care field.

Big agribusiness, food industries and the drug companies are firmly in the drivers seat, and are decreasing our health while increasing their profits.

That is why real healthcare reform must incorporate changes in the way Government provides education on health issues and kicks out influence by the lobbyists representing those soul-less corporate entities.

Larry
August-14th-2009, 01:09 PM
Loving all the folks who claim he was fired because he used a brand name.

While ignoring the part of the article that points out that nobody had a problem with him slamming KFC.

Major Harris
August-14th-2009, 01:46 PM
Loving all the folks who claim he was fired because he used a brand name.

While ignoring the part of the article that points out that nobody had a problem with him slamming KFC.


well, that's what gives them the reason to do it, other than saying "he's hurting MY wallet."

so they're right, from a certain point of view. /obi wan

Mickalino
August-14th-2009, 01:56 PM
Loving all the folks who claim he was fired because he used a brand name.

While ignoring the part of the article that points out that nobody had a problem with him slamming KFC.

Maybe (partly) because the extent of his terminology didn't go as far as "Death" with KFC :whoknows:

AsburySkinsFan
August-14th-2009, 01:57 PM
A county commissioner who owns a doughnut shop and two lawyers who own a new Dunkin' Donuts on Panama City Beach turned against him,


Sums it all up right there.


Took the words straight out of my mouth.

twa
August-14th-2009, 02:00 PM
Loving all the folks who claim he was fired because he used a brand name.

While ignoring the part of the article that points out that nobody had a problem with him slamming KFC.

Not simply using the name,but linking it to being a deadly hazard.

Big no no.

Mickalino
August-14th-2009, 02:02 PM
Question for you guys :

If he didn't work for the county health department, and just operated a private practice, do you think he would have been safe ?

Thinking Skins
August-14th-2009, 02:03 PM
Why not do a class action lawsuit against Dunkin Doughnuts?

AsburySkinsFan
August-14th-2009, 02:04 PM
Not simply using the name,but linking it to being a deadly hazard.

Big no no.

So you're saying that the county commissioner and the two lawyers who all owned donut shops would have done nothing if he had just attacked donuts instead of saying dunkin'? I wonder why no one had him fired when he used KFC, most likely answer...no county commissioner owns a KFC.

twa
August-14th-2009, 02:06 PM
Question for you guys :

If he didn't work for the county health department, and just operated a private practice, do you think he would have been safe ?

Not if he posted it on a billboard.

They have specific laws against defaming products,you put it in the public sphere and they can come after you.

twa
August-14th-2009, 02:12 PM
So you're saying that the county commissioner and the two lawyers who all owned donut shops would have done nothing if he had just attacked donuts instead of saying dunkin'? I wonder why no one had him fired when he used KFC, most likely answer...no county commissioner owns a KFC.

Post the KFC slam and I'll venture a opinion.:)

Certainly pissing on officials business interests is gonna get you the wrong kind of attention.
The more specific the greater the liability.

Major Harris
August-14th-2009, 03:37 PM
So you're saying that the county commissioner and the two lawyers who all owned donut shops would have done nothing if he had just attacked donuts instead of saying dunkin'? I wonder why no one had him fired when he used KFC, most likely answer...no county commissioner owns a KFC.

we can all guess at what ifs,...but given your scenario, if they did go after him, they'd have a lot less of a leg to stand on in your scenario. i'd hope no one is denying their own personal interest here.

AsburySkinsFan
August-14th-2009, 03:41 PM
Post the KFC slam and I'll venture a opinion.:)

Certainly pissing on officials business interests is gonna get you the wrong kind of attention.
The more specific the greater the liability.


we can all guess at what ifs,...but given your scenario, if they did go after him, they'd have a lot less of a leg to stand on in your scenario. i'd hope no one is denying their own personal interest here.

Unless I'm horribly mistaken I believe that the article stated that the doctor did call out KFC by name in one of his signs.


*edit

He also called out KFC by name to make people think twice about fried chicken.
Yep

Major Harris
August-14th-2009, 03:47 PM
Unless I'm horribly mistaken I believe that the article stated that the doctor did call out KFC by name in one of his signs.


*edit

Yep

i know that. and you either mis-read my post or are twisting what i'm saying.

my part about "less of a leg to stand on" was, i thought clearly, in response to your question about whether they would have attacked him had he just gone after doughnuts but not named dunkin donuts in particular.

the part of my post about their own self-interest was directed at the fact that they left him alone in regards to kfc.

81artmonk
August-14th-2009, 05:36 PM
no, because we don't know if the county commissioners and lawyers that own the doughnut shops are fat or not.

it does prove that you don't think things through very well.

WOW, I wasn't aware that asking a question needed critical thinking? I guess you're one of those "if you don't agree with my opinion or view, I'm going to say something unkind or point out something bad about you" types.

Duely noted

Major Harris
August-14th-2009, 06:02 PM
WOW, I wasn't aware that asking a question needed critical thinking? I guess you're one of those "if you don't agree with my opinion or view, I'm going to say something unkind or point out something bad about you" types.

Duely noted

ahh, your normal battle cry.

so you have an opinion that overweight people are overly sensitive. somehow you apply that to an issue of business owners not liking being attacked, and you wonder why you're called out?

81artmonk
August-16th-2009, 11:49 AM
ahh, your normal battle cry.

so you have an opinion that overweight people are overly sensitive. somehow you apply that to an issue of business owners not liking being attacked, and you wonder why you're called out?


Ya know what's so funny about this and proves my point about this board? I was wondering how far you'd take this. My question was supposed to be a funny and sarcastic question, poking fun.

yet you're first response was to take it litterally and go on the attack. typical.....saddly typical.

Oh well. I guess some people are so tightly wound that it blurs their vision and commonsense.

Major Harris
August-16th-2009, 11:52 AM
sorry, i missed the joke.