BREITBART- 06 Flashback: Pelosi Tells Anti-War Protesters ‘I’m a Fan of Disruptors’

[Kilmer17]

This Cee yoU Next Tuesday is the epitmoe of what is wrong with America.

http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pelosi-tells-anti-war-protesters-im-a-fan-of-disruptors/

Classic.

[SnyderShrugged]

I remember that, what a hypocrite

[wantarace17]

i voted for obama but i hate pelosi

[Corcaigh]

You've got to be kidding. She says that she's "a fan of disruptors" ... "like Franklin Roosevelt was a disruptor" in that he created change.

You use that clip to suggest that she's a fan of people shouting each other down?

Do you not get that there's a difference between differing points of view and a shouting match intended only to prevent the other person being heard?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Doesn't surprise me

[Pwyl]

...............

[alexey]

Do you not get that there's a difference between differing points of view and a shouting match intended only to prevent the other person being heard?
It may be just me, but it seems that several years ago this kind of obviously silly crap wouldn't resonate as well with people.

[Baculus]

So this is supposed to demonstrate why it is OK for people to scream at town hall meetings? "Hey, look, anti-war demonstrations happened in the Bay Area, so we can scream and act uncivil all we want!"

[Corcaigh]

Ahem. Read.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/15/PELOSI.TMP

Just a part.


The protesters stood quietly in front of Pelosi waving their signs for the entire two-hour meeting, while hecklers from the audience frequently interrupted the talk.

At several points, a woman disrupted the event with a long rant urging Pelosi to stop bulldozers from knocking down New Orleans houses damaged by Hurricane Katrina. The audience booed her and told her to be quiet.

But Pelosi never summoned help from police or security. She negotiated with the hecklers and at times even thanked the protesters for their advocacy and enthusiasm.

"It's always exciting,'' she told reporters after the meeting. "This is democracy in action. I'm energized by it, frankly."

Can you really not tell the difference?

The woman who disrupted the event for a short time was trying to get a political argument across. While she was rude and inconsiderate of the others, her goal in being there was not solely to prevent any discussion of the original purpose of the meeting.

[Kilmer17]

So this is supposed to demonstrate why it is OK for people to scream at town hall meetings? "Hey, look, anti-war demonstrations happened in the Bay Area, so we can scream and act uncivil all we want!"

Not at all. It's simply demonstrating the complete hypocrisy of Democrat leaders.

[Destino]

demonstrating hypocrisy while practicing it? interesting tactic.

As for Pelosi.. not surprised. Saying stupid things is her M.O.

[Baculus]

Not at all. It's simply demonstrating the complete hypocrisy of Democrat leaders.

"Leaders"? We have Nancy Pelosi in front of her constituents. This is different then random strangers simply screaming and yelling. If you noticed, too, the people who were holding up the signs in front were totally silent.

Hypocrisy? Like the GOP LYING about end of life consultation -- "death panels" -- when they voted for such legislation six years ago?

I think it is further sad that some people are finding excuses for rude behavior at town hall meetings. I guess the era of open town halls is over; we should all just go and yell instead of trying to discuss things.

[Kilmer17]

demonstrating hypocrisy while practicing it? interesting tactic.

As for Pelosi.. not surprised. Saying stupid things is her M.O.

Sure Des. Show me my hypocrisy.

Your **** is so stale. All you have is personal attacks anymore. Shame, you used to bring good debate.

[Kilmer17]

"Leaders"? We have Nancy Pelosi in front of her constituents. This is different then random strangers simply screaming and yelling. If you noticed, too, the people who were holding up the signs in front were totally silent.

Hypocrisy? Like the GOP LYING about end of life consultation -- "death panels" -- when they voted for such legislation six years ago?

I think it is further sad that some people are finding excuses for rude behavior at town hall meetings. I guess the era of open town halls is over; we should all just go and yell instead of trying to discuss things.

Blah blah blah "GOP LIARS" blah blah blah "NAZI'S" blah blah.

[MisterPinstripe]

"Leaders"? We have Nancy Pelosi in front of her constituents. This is different then random strangers simply screaming and yelling. If you noticed, too, the people who were holding up the signs in front were totally silent.

Hypocrisy? Like the GOP LYING about end of life consultation -- "death panels" -- when they voted for such legislation six years ago?

I think it is further sad that some people are finding excuses for rude behavior at town hall meetings. I guess the era of open town halls is over; we should all just go and yell instead of trying to discuss things.

You mean like when the Blue Dog democrats tried to discuss things, and the democrats decided they would just try to ignore them and pass it without their help?

[Duckus]

Sure Des. Show me my hypocrisy.

Your **** is so stale. All you have is personal attacks anymore. Shame, you used to bring good debate.

A lot of conservatives hated protestors just a short while ago, even you.


On March 19, 2003 you posted a thread entitled “Watch for the arrest numbers this week”

Your post:


The protestors who claim they will disrupt the business of America by civil disobedience are going to be arrested and detained in MASSIVE numbers. These folks are disgusting. Protest is one thing, but purposely disrupting our country and stretching the resources of our police/and guard units at the time they are needed most is outright treasonous.

http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=24022&highlight=Protestors


On March 5, 2005 you posted an editorial entitled "Protestors myths exposed" that you described as great:


Protestors myths exposed

.....

The motives of the antiwar crowd's leaders become more clear each time they march, gather, issue press releases or go on TV talk shows. They are more anti-Bush than anti-war. If not, where were they when Bill Clinton was bombing the daylights out of Iraq in 1998, or Serbia the following year? We heard nary a whimper of protest. It seems nothing fires up the embers of the old 1960s-era protest pimps more than a Republican who takes military action.

This is not to say that many people who join anti-war protests like the 400 who turned out at an antiwar event in Hyannis in January are not sincere in their wish for peace. Doubtless they are; but they are caught up in a movement whose leadership is infested with ugly, anti-American thugs (such as the neo-Marxist International ANSWER group that organizes many events) who would rejoice at an American defeat.

........



http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=22993&highlight=Iraq+War+Protesters

[Duckus]

You mean like when the Blue Dog democrats tried to discuss things, and the democrats decided they would just try to ignore them and pass it without their help?

Uhhh, What? This makes no sense at all. Nothing has even been passed yet BECAUSE they are working with the Blue Dogs.....They made deal with Blue Dog democrats in the house to delay it until after the recess. How is that ignoring them again?

Even today - Republican Senator Chuck Grassey of Iowa sadi "If I had not been at the table, there would have been a bill through the committee the week of June 22, and it would have been through the Senate by now because there's sixty Democrats." Translation - had the Democrats NOT negotiated and talked with him, a Republican, it would have ALREADY been passed. Which it hasn't, because of discussion with Blue Dogs and people like Chuck Grassey.

[Destino]

Sure Des. Show me my hypocrisy.

Your **** is so stale. All you have is personal attacks anymore. Shame, you used to bring good debate.
Your hypocrisy is simple, you never fail to earn top marks on this forum for being the first to justify everything with "well you guys did something similar!" That position is hypocrisy because ultimately what the other side does or doesn't do is irrelevant. If I think shouting down opposition is wrong I don't care who does it. Case in point I've poked fun at the anti-war loons for years. Especially the code pink loons that were disrupting Pelosi back in the day. I've also never hesitate to call Pelosi a loon prone to saying incredibly stupid ****.

You were oh-so passionate about your hatred of the anti-war protestors disrupting events. Where is your passion now?

You have a bunch of loons showing up at meetings throwing out talking points (many of which are obvious mischaracterizations given to them by GOP stars like Palin) intent on shutting down any debate. The GOP is shameful in it's behavior lately. First they told american Obama was a terrorist, then they told the US he wasn't an American, and now they are telling america that he's trying to set up death panels to kill them.

But I'm sure instead of joining the reasonable people in opposing this irresponsible behavior, you'll just go looking for some history and argue that the democrats did something similar making it ok (even if you did disagree with it then).

[Kilmer17]

A lot of conservatives hated protestors just a short while ago, even you.


On March 19, 2003 you posted a thread entitled “Watch for the arrest numbers this week”

Your post:



http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=24022&highlight=Protestors


On March 5, 2005 you posted an editorial entitled "Protestors myths exposed" that you described as great:



http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=22993&highlight=Iraq+War+Protesters

I still hate protestors. Where have I said otherwise?

[Kilmer17]

Your hypocrisy is simple, you never fail to earn top marks on this forum for being the first to justify everything with "well you guys did something similar!" That position is hypocrisy because ultimately what the other side does or doesn't do is irrelevant. If I think shouting down opposition is wrong I don't care who does it. Case in point I've poked fun at the anti-war loons for years. Especially the code pink loons that were disrupting Pelosi back in the day. I've also never hesitate to call Pelosi a loon prone to saying incredibly stupid ****.

All you have is "the democrats did it" and it's getting old.

So because I revel in pointing out Dem hypocrisy all the time, that is somehow in itself hypocritical?

Really?

Give me an example of where my position on something has changed because of the party in charges position?

[Destino]

So because I revel in pointing out Dem hypocrisy all the time, that is somehow in itself hypocritical?

Really?

Give me an example of where my position on something has changed because of the party in charges position?

yes really. Ranting against something and then later seeking to justify it is hypocrisy.

[Kilmer17]

yes really. Ranting against something and then later seeking to justify it is hypocrisy.

Again, show me an example.

Further, if you do come up with one, does that somehow mean that I cant point out other hypocrisy? Especially since mine on a message board is probably slightly less important than the Democrat leadership in Congress.

[zoony]

What are we going to do on Tuesday, and will there be food? See you then

[Burgundy Burner]

What are we going to do on Tuesday, and will there be food? See you then

What do they serve at gatherings where pistols at dawn are used? I know one thing - bacon better be on the menu! :D

[Baculus]

Blah blah blah "GOP LIARS" blah blah blah "NAZI'S" blah blah.

If the shoe fits . . . !

[Baculus]

You mean like when the Blue Dog democrats tried to discuss things, and the democrats decided they would just try to ignore them and pass it without their help?

That isn't lying -- that's political football within power blocs of the party. There's a difference.

[Destino]

Again, show me an example.

Further, if you do come up with one, does that somehow mean that I cant point out other hypocrisy? Especially since mine on a message board is probably slightly less important than the Democrat leadership in Congress.

This thread is an example. Someone quoted you earlier throwing out the word treason and here you are, yet again, justifying bad behavior on your side.

What you and others forget is that politics is a sales job. I hate going here because frankly too many people can't accept that. It's not their job to be consistent nor does consistency help them do their job. Their job is to pass legislation that favors their supporters, their state, and their country. They are told by the people what to sell and they have to go out and get deal closed. We call them leaders when they aren't. Their station was never intended to be one of leadership. They are representatives sent to washington to represent the interests of others.

Would you demand consistency of your lawyer if it didn't favor your case? Would you demdand consistency of your real estate agent if it didn't favor your bottom line? They represent your interests, or at least they are supposed to. You know how we feel about real estate agents and lawyers that put their interests above their clients? We feel that they suck at what they do. When we talk about politicians however.

The only leaders are those in the executive branch and even they aren't granted the freedom to pursue their vision. They are expected to lead us in the direction we want not in the one they want for us.

The people that have the responsibility to be consistent are voters. We aren't representing anyone but ourselves. When we just agree with everything our reps tell us the question has to be, who are they representing then? If we are following them, who are they following?

[mardi gras skin]

This thread is an example. Someone quoted you earlier throwing out the word treason and here you are, yet again, justifying bad behavior on your side.

Huh? Where did Kilmer justify the behavior of the protesters? He didn't do it in this thread.

[IHOPSkins]

......What you and others forget is that politics is a sales job. I hate going here because frankly too many people can't accept that. It's not their job to be consistent nor does consistency help them do their job........Mob Rules?

Money Talks?

Power Politics is all the Rave?

If you want to believe that all politics is, is selling clunker cars....you should be happy with what you got

Pathetic

Pelosi is a Liar, I expect more, and you should also

[Destino]

If you want to believe that all politics is
You want to believe it's more than that? Look around you and tell me which one of us is right. Outside the founding fathers that is all politics ever has been and ever will be. They are sent to Washington to represent the interests of the people who sent them there. What they end up doing however is representing the interests of a special few... because the voters are all a bunch of sheep that agree with their "leaders" instead of realizing they aren't supposed to be LEADING at all.

[techboy]

We call them leaders when they aren't. Their station was never intended to be one of leadership. They are representatives sent to washington to represent the interests of others.

I don't agree at all.

Personally, I favor Edmund Burke's Trustee Model of representation, where leaders are elected to use their own judgement.

Exhibit A through Z of why we can't let the people have what they want unfiltered is California, where the entire state has been crippled by ridiculous and contradictory mandates, which are totally unrepealable, all because the system allowed the masses direct say as to policy.

We are supposed to elect the best and brightest, because they are supposed to be more capable and informed, and thus better positioned. The political system doesn't always allow for this, but that's the way it's supposed to be.

I seem to recall you making this argument yourself when Obama was accused of being "elitist", and you (rightly, in my view) pointed out that we should want our politicians to be elite.

The Founding Fathers agreed with Burke too, which is why we have a representative republic and not a democracy, and actually, the way they initially set it up was even more so, as Senators weren't even directly elected.

[jnhay]

Blah blah blah "GOP LIARS" blah blah blah "NAZI'S" blah blah.

:hysterical: you just criticized someone for not debating, then you post this.

[mardi gras skin]

:hysterical: you just criticized someone for not debating, then you post this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d2Yl-2L653o/RjLHhJAZcrI/AAAAAAAAAD0/Ge79MPZhf4Q/s400/larson_what_dogs_hear.jpg

:D

[Mad Mike]

Sure Des. Show me my hypocrisy.

Your **** is so stale. All you have is personal attacks anymore. Shame, you used to bring good debate.

There is plenty of hypocrisy coming from both sides. The sad thing is you are all too blinded by ideology to see it in yourselves.

You all need to recognize that your ideological leaders are feeding their followers (you) propaganda and bull ****. You all think you are so smart when you recognize it from the other side, yet you swallow whatever BS your own party feeds you, hook line and sinker.

Honestly, its amazing to watch both sides point the finger at each other. But the absurdity of it leaves me doubting the future of this country. :doh:

[JimboDaMan]

Mob Rules?

Money Talks?

Power Politics is all the Rave?

If you want to believe that all politics is, is selling clunker cars....you should be happy with what you got

Pathetic

Pelosi is a Liar, I expect more, and you should alsoSo we've already proven that Bush is a liar, that Palin is a liar, that Cheney is a liar, that Pelosi is a liar. And you "expect more"? Really? I'm afraid the evidence shows that you've been lied to in the past and should expect as much in the future.

[DeaconBlue]

Can you really not tell the difference?

The woman who disrupted the event for a short time was trying to get a political argument across. While she was rude and inconsiderate of the others, her goal in being there was not solely to prevent any discussion of the original purpose of the meeting.

WHAT!!!??!! Are you insane? Stands like this untenable one that never the less you will hold on to til the bitter end are why there is no possible chance of any intelligent conversation in this country on politics ever again. Your hipocracy sickens me. Its a shame you can't see how disgusting you sound.

[cjcdaman]

So we've already proven that Bush is a liar, that Palin is a liar, that Cheney is a liar, that Pelosi is a liar. And you "expect more"? Really? I'm afraid the evidence shows that you've been lied to in the past and should expect as much in the future.


Only one of those is Nancy Pelosi aka part of this administration. The rest is the past. This is now Obama's administration and Congress. It won't change. I was expecting a year or so in, but 6 months in, this guy has turned the country against himself and his congress. LOL

[JimboDaMan]

Only one of those is Nancy Pelosi aka part of this administration. The rest is the past. This is now Obama's administration and Congress. It won't change. I was expecting a year or so in, but 6 months in, this guy has turned the country against himself and his congress. LOLFascinating. Can you tell me what title Pelosi holds in the Obama administration?

The rest of your point is immaterial. Those people are all senior members of the Republican party, and all proven liars. Which is exactly why I have no idea why he would expect anything different.

[Corcaigh]

WHAT!!!??!! Are you insane? Stands like this untenable one that never the less you will hold on to til the bitter end are why there is no possible chance of any intelligent conversation in this country on politics ever again. Your hipocracy sickens me. Its a shame you can't see how disgusting you sound.

LOL. Easy there.

There's a difference between going to a political meeting to make some point (even if it's not what the meeting is about), and going to a political meeting to prevent any discussion by anyone else.

The woman in the video used the meeting to have a rant about a topic important to her; she disrupted it for a while, but the rest of the meeting continued.

The criticism of some protesters at some of the current meetings on healthcare is that they are there with the sole purpose of disrupting the whole meeting and preventing any discussion and dialog. If Pelosi was arguing that any dissent at a public meeting on healthcare is unwelcome, then the video in the OP would show that she's a hypocrite. But I don't think she is making that argument.

None of this means that Pelosi is my favorite politician :)