Campbell,Cutler & Sanchez: How they stacked up after Wk#1 Preseason

[redskins55]

Campbell vs Ravens 1st Team Defense
two offensive series
Average protection
3/6 for 36yd

Jay Cutler vs. Bills 1st Team Defense
four offensive series
Good protection
5/10 for 64yds / 1 int

Mark Sanchez vs 2nd team Rams Defense
one offensive series
good protection
3/4 88yds

So what have we learned from week #1 of the preseason?

Campbell was clearly put in a situation to gauge his management and control of the offense. There were no big plays attempted to actually test the opposing defense or Campbell's arm in those two series. Campbell looked fluid in his management of the offense looking confident in the pocket and not forcing any bad throws.

Cutler clearly went into the game trying to build continuity with Devin Hester. Six of his ten attempts were to Hester. Cutler didn't look very sharp, tossing two sure interceptions (one of them dropped by a bills defender). After a muffed punt by Buffalo cutler got the ball back for a final series but could not get into the endzone.

Sanchez was tested early by his coaching staff and responded on a deep pass. He continued to respond to his coaching staff's tests by completing passes downfield with the Jets first team offense against the Rams 2nd team defense. Thomas Jones eventually took it in for a TD.

I don't believe either QB showed why they are any better than the other in this week.Each coaching staff definitely had completely different game plans for the three signal callers. I think more will be learned next week.

[Stophovr6]

I think you should add Kyle Orton.

[Larry Brown #43]

Thanks for the info, but this would probably be a better thread idea about two months or so from now. I'd at least want to see the results of a few regular season games before even beginning to draw any conclusions about anything.

[RedlightG20]

Too early to really compare them in this light. Factoring in interceptions, yards, and playcalling... in a preseason game? Not many conclusions can be drawn.

That being said, I thought Matthew Stafford looked quite sharp in his debut.

[DButz65]

So what have we learned from week #1 of the preseason?



NOTHING, its PRESEASON, stats get thrown out in 3 weeks and it doesnt matter. Lets play some REGULAR season games first, then look back on these guys.

[Llevron]

I actually think JCs protection was better than average. They handled the blitz pretty well most of the time.

Cutler on the other hand was complete and utter garbage. Just as I said he would be. (I know its only pre-season, but if you guys can judge JC off his limited appearance than I can do the same to Cutler lol)

I dont really have anything to say about Sanchez one way or the other to be completely honest.

[bobzmuda]

Cutler looked about the same as he did in Denver.

[Arsenic]

Jay Cutler vs. Bills 1st Team Defense
four offensive series
Good protection
5/10 for 64yds / 1 int

Cutler clearly went into the game trying to build continuity with Devin Hester.
Six of his ten attempts were to Hester.

:whoknows: 6/10?

[x96bryan10]

i already know that for the next ten years i will be telling people that i called mark sanchez the man plays like tom brady between him and rex ryan jets will be a powerhouse

[RiggosMohawk]

Good thread. I just want to throw water on the "sanchez is a franchise qb" fire.

His 'superb instincts' on the deep ball to Clowney really weren't so after watching the film. In the vid below, at 00:26 his shoulder fake doesn't move the deep safety (#35) at all. He completed the pass b/c their pass coverage broke down in two areas. The LB releases Keller deep to the safety and runs to double cover the flat route. Huh??? That leaves #35 1-v-1 with a fast TE running a post. Otherwise he can shift over even more to cover the go pattern. The CB on Clowney either poorly jammed at the line, or didn't turn and run well. Either way, he let a guy get 1.5 steps on him on a 40 yard route. That's poor coverage.

I will say Sanchez threw a very good 45-50 yard pass without stepping into it much - that was a pleasant surprise. As for his other two comps to Keller, he has a good release but Keller was only moderately covered on the second completion though - the first he was wide open.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d811e68c8/Pre-WK-1-Mark-Sanchez-highlights

[Thinking Skins]

I wonder if Sanchez is just playing a game of pitch and catch and kinda ignoring things like reading the defense and the importance of fundamentals. I seem to remember our own Colt having a good preseason last year as well.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Cutler looked about the same as he did in Denver.

Kyle Orton looked horrible against an average 49ners pass D.

Do you think McDaniels is still revelating the trade?!

[Passizle]

I think you should add Kyle Orton.
That was great to watch. 9/18 and 3 INT's. Looks like McDaniels career could be defined by his poor choices in the pre-season.

[fansince62]

I don't care what the other guys do.

1) Will JC one day take advantage of opporuntuities when they present themselves? He just doen't seem to be blessed with that Elway-like "make magic happen" quality

2) Why does he always APPEAR to be just a split second slower in his reads and decision-making? I don't know if he is or isn't....it just looks that way.

3) When will he look like he is in charge? It just doesn't APPEAR as though he is.

4) When will HIS offense actually score points? who knows....actually win games without herculean efforts by the defense?

[TheItalianStallion]

:whoknows: 6/10?5/10 completed passes =/= 6/10 pass ATTEMPTS to Hester.

[Mooka]

His 'superb instincts' on the deep ball to Clowney really weren't so after watching the film. In the vid below, at 00:26 his shoulder fake doesn't move the deep safety (#35) at all. He completed the pass b/c their pass coverage broke down in two areas. The LB releases Keller deep to the safety and runs to double cover the flat route. Huh??? That leaves #35 1-v-1 with a fast TE running a post. Otherwise he can shift over even more to cover the go pattern. The CB on Clowney either poorly jammed at the line, or didn't turn and run well. Either way, he let a guy get 1.5 steps on him on a 40 yard route. That's poor coverage. This is some outrageous analysis.

He hardly pump faked, he did a little flinch. And the CB had excellent coverage on WR, it was just a perfect throw that went 45+ yards in the air.

And wouldn't superb instincts notice the broken coverage from the LB and throw to a well covered WR because he was 1 on 1 on the sideline? :whoknows:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I don't care what anyone says, Sanchez is going to be a stud.

Now how quick that happens? I don't know.

But it will happen.

[SirClintonPortis]

Matt Flynn needs some love on this board.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I think more will be learned next week.

Nothing of any worth will be learned until we get into full speed regular season play.

No disrespect, as comparing the three have a lot of validity given this past off-season, but this thread would of been better served around the half way stage this coming year say. And even then, assuming Sanchez wins the Jets starting job, the fairer comparison with him may be to compare the end of Cutlers rookie year when he got to play, and Jason's second year in the league when he started out. Putting a fresh faced rookie up against a fourth and fifth year vet. respectively is a tad unfair on him, unless he wows the NFL from the get go.

The real interesting comparison will be to see how Cutler does in Chicago, on a new team with a perceived inferior supporting cast around him than he had in Denver, (though Kyle freaking Orton got better production from the Bears O last year than we got out of our own); and if Jason improves any in year two.

Given the multitude of REAL heated debates on the pair on these boards in recent memory, that will be worth watching.

Hail.

[redskins55]

:whoknows: 6/10?

I'm not sure what was so confusing about that...Seems like your trying to hard to shed negativity on a strictly informational post..
6/10 attempts were to HESTER.. Cutler only completed 5/10 passes overall

But hey if its still confusing just check out the official stats from NFL.com

They have him officially completing 5/10 passes and there were 6 attempts to Hester (Here you go)

1-10-CHI 40 (15:00) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 23-D.Hester to CHI 42 for 2 yards (24-T.McGee). Curl pattern, caught at CHI 42.

3-2-CHI 48 (13:44) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to 23-D.Hester (28-L.McKelvin). Thrown behind receiver at BUF 48.

2-6-CHI 16 (9:32) 6-J.Cutler pass deep left to 23-D.Hester to CHI 36 for 20 yards (51-P.Posluszny, 28-L.McKelvin). Caught at CHI 33.

1-10-CHI 36 (8:53) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep right to 23-D.Hester. Overthrown, receiver near sideline at BUF 39.

2-10-CHI 36 (8:47) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass deep left intended for 23-D.Hester INTERCEPTED by 28-L.McKelvin at BUF 26. 28-L.McKelvin to BUF 26 for no gain (23-D.Hester). Single coverage near sideline.

3-3-BUF 6 (3:25) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete short middle to 23-D.Hester (54-N.Harris). Pass tipped at line, receiver in back of end zone.

[redskins55]

Thanks for the info, but this would probably be a better thread idea about two months or so from now. I'd at least want to see the results of a few regular season games before even beginning to draw any conclusions about anything.

I agree that the verdict won't be out for months into the regular season, maybe even years from now. But I thought it relevant to document their first football action since the off season drama. We can look back to this info and laugh, or marvel at the end result.

[RiggosMohawk]

This is some outrageous analysis.

He hardly pump faked, he did a little flinch. And the CB had excellent coverage on WR, it was just a perfect throw that went 45+ yards in the air.

And wouldn't superb instincts notice the broken coverage from the LB and throw to a well covered WR because he was 1 on 1 on the sideline? :whoknows:

The guy's not even looking back for the ball. He's reaching for Clowney's arms to keep from getting smoked. I still say he just chucked it and got lucky.

Regardless another storm of "we should've gotten him" already started on here using this game as evidence. It's way too early for anybody to use his one drive in a preseason game as evidence of a FO screwup. That's what I'm sick of.

[knowledge316]

that was a beautiful pass by Sanchez; the WR was open and he was able to connect by throwing a perfect pass; WR had about a step or two against the CB and MS took advantage of it and it paid of

i'd like our QBs to make these types of attempts downfield

[acuratl1984]

:whoknows: 6/10?

5/10 he completed 5 out of his 10 attempts

6/10 attempts were targeting Hester, doesn't mean Hester caught all of them.

[Mooka]

The guy's not even looking back for the ball. He's reaching for Clowney's arms to keep from getting smoked. I still say he just chucked it and got lucky. His head is clearly looking at the ball. Its was just a very good throw over the shoulder of the receiver. Chucked it and got lucky? I thought you said it was a very good pass?


Regardless another storm of "we should've gotten him" already started on here using this game as evidence. It's way too early for anybody to use his one drive in a preseason game as evidence of a FO screwup. That's what I'm sick of. I guess I missed the storm. Maybe you live in Denver?

[airs0ft3r]

I don't care what anyone says, Sanchez is going to be a stud.

Now how quick that happens? I don't know.

But it will happen.

You, Danny, and whoever hell owns the Jets should create your own team.

[darklight1216]

NOTHING, its PRESEASON, stats get thrown out in 3 weeks and it doesnt matter. Lets play some REGULAR season games first, then look back on these guys.
Well said. You beat me to it.

i already know that for the next ten years i will be telling people that i called mark sanchez the man plays like tom brady between him and rex ryan jets will be a powerhouse
I'm sorry, but it's a little late for that. Everyone called Mark Sanchez; every guy and his dog had him going early in the draft (some considered him to be better than Stafford), the Redskins wanted him, the Niners were considering him, the Jets traded away everything to get him. That people are expecting great things from him is not exactly a state secret.

[Newera]

Sanchez is going to be good.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I am currently standing outside Jay Cutler's window, holding a boom box above my head, and playing "In Your Eyes."

[addicted]

It was clear to me by the time I read your comments about protection that you were going to be biased about your post. I have a real hard time being serious with a dreamer like this

[redskins55]

It was clear to me by the time I read your comments about protection that you were going to be biased about your post. I have a real hard time being serious with a dreamer like this

What was so biased about my point? Did you feel like one of the Quarterbacks solidified themselves as the clear better? Do you really feel like the Redskins had has good protection against the Ravens top defense as the Bears or Jets had against those weak defenses they faced?

[redskins55]

that was a beautiful pass by Sanchez; the WR was open and he was able to connect by throwing a perfect pass; WR had about a step or two against the CB and MS took advantage of it and it paid of

i'd like our QBs to make these types of attempts downfield

I agree a very nice pass! Folks should give credit where credit is due.. The kid can hit a deep ball against second string one on one coverage.

[Rypien1191]

I can't wait to break out the Cutler vs. JC vote thread after the Bears start 0-3 and Cutler has 7 INTs, just to see what the Cutler slurpers have to say.

[FanboyOf91]

Matthew Stafford will trump them all.

[BlackBush]

So what have we learned from week #1 of the preseason?



Campbell plays for the Skins
****** the other guys

Hail

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I can't wait to break out the Cutler vs. JC vote thread after the Bears start 0-3 and Cutler has 7 INTs, just to see what the Cutler slurpers have to say.
You better just hope that the Skins don't start out 0-3.

[modazfuk]

Om: "The offensive line did well in six pass protection opportunities"

Now the OP says "average":hysterical:

[redskins55]

I can't wait to break out the Cutler vs. JC vote thread after the Bears start 0-3 and Cutler has 7 INTs, just to see what the Cutler slurpers have to say.


lol That will be funny.. I figured lets start a civilized discussion about the comparisons instead of knee jerk reactions after one of them has a horrible regular season game, or an awesome regular season game performance

[jflow78]

I love seeing Orton die a slow death, mostly because I really will enjoy watching McDaniels die a slow death along with him (purely in the symbolic sense :)). I know that guy was with the Pats, I know he was great there, I also know that when you pass on a DE like Orakpo to take a RB, you're a tool.

Mostly I just like watching him eat his words (as far as preffering Orton over Campbell, I guess he likes INTs. All part of the plan, just like missing out on the new KC QB. Kind of a ********* plan, but okay.)

[redskins55]

Om: "The offensive line did well in six pass protection opportunities"

Now the OP says "average":hysterical:

If you did "well" in grade school what grade would you give that assessment??

Just curious to see where your standards are! :jerk:

[modazfuk]

If you did "well" in grade school what grade would you give that assessment??

Just curious to see where your standards are! :jerk:

Yes, peoples' standards surely can differ, but when someone as credible as Om describes the OL as having played "well", that sure as heck doesn't mean "average". In fact, if you read his nicely written assessment, he even uses "solid" throughout.

[veteranskinsfan]

I think we should look at point production and JC did not produce any points. In week one of the preseason how many teams managed to score zero points? Baltimore has a good defense so in week 2 I am looking for one of our quarterbacks to at least put some points up on the board.

[darklight1216]

I think we should look at point production and JC did not produce any points. In week one of the preseason how many teams managed to score zero points? Baltimore has a good defense so in week 2 I am looking for one of our quarterbacks to at least put some points up on the board.
The Steelers don't have a good defense? :silly:

[jflow78]

The Steelers don't have a good defense? :silly:

You beat me to it. I thought the OL did play pretty well, but that's in comparison to what I thought they'd play like (:pooh:). I'm not nearly as worried about them now though. I think Campbell will have time to throw. I thought they were pretty well tested by the Ravens blitzes, and stood up pretty well.

[BigMike21]

Sanchez just threw a pick six to a defensive lineman. Horrible throw. RIght at the beginning of the game too, I guess the one week honeymoon might be over.

[JaimeDeCurry]

That was a godawful decision and throw. So much for that guy here saying that Sanchez is going to come out and light it up against the Ravens on his first drive.

EDIT: And then the next throw, shoots it right into Ray Lewis' hands. Man, sure wish we got this guy.

[GOSKINS_08]

That should have been the 2nd INT by Sanchez right there.

[SittingBull]

You beat me to it. I thought the OL did play pretty well, but that's in comparison to what I thought they'd play like (:pooh:). I'm not nearly as worried about them now though. I think Campbell will have time to throw. I thought they were pretty well tested by the Ravens blitzes, and stood up pretty well.

The problem with our oline has never been early in the season. It's later on when the wear and tear sets in from 6-8 games.

[JaimeDeCurry]

2 delay of games, a pick six, and yet to complete a pass to someone wearing a Jets jersey with 3:54 left in the first quarter. I think Sanchez may have just lost the QB battle in New Jersey.

[BigMike21]

2 delay of games, a pick six, and yet to complete a pass to someone wearing a Jets jersey with 3:54 left in the first quarter. I think Sanchez may have just lost the QB battle in New Jersey.

It's definitely ugly out there. Let's see how the other guy plays though, they will still give Sanchez at least next week.

[Shilsu]

Who cares. Sanchez is a rookie going up against 1st stringers. Jason Campbell is a 5th year veteran, 2nd year in the same system.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Who cares. Sanchez is a rookie going up against 1st stringers. Jason Campbell is a 5th year veteran, 2nd year in the same system.

And Cutler is a 4th year veteran with the Bears. Now we have all the guys in the thread title! Which is, you know, what the thread is about. These three guys.

[skinsfan67]

Well atleast our defence looks better than the Jets with the great Rex Ryan as their coach.

[Shilsu]

And Cutler is a 4th year veteran with the Bears. Now we have all the guys in the thread title! Which is, you know, what the thread is about. These three guys.

Yes, and this is a thread about a comparison between all three. You seem to be on some sort of mission to prove a point that Sanchez is not going to be better than Campbell from this one preseason game. I am putting things in perspective for you.

[ArmchairRedskin]

And Cutler is a 4th year veteran with the Bears. Now we have all the guys in the thread title! Which is, you know, what the thread is about. These three guys.


Cutler's in a new system, too.

[tiger187126]

i actually like this thread, we should keep track of Campbell, Sanchez, Orton, and Cutler throughout the season.

i'm curious to see what we/other teams might have missed out on or lucked out with.

[TRUBLUFAN]

I don't care what the other guys do.

1) Will JC one day take advantage of opporuntuities when they present themselves? He just doen't seem to be blessed with that Elway-like "make magic happen" quality

2) Why does he always APPEAR to be just a split second slower in his reads and decision-making? I don't know if he is or isn't....it just looks that way.

3) When will he look like he is in charge? It just doesn't APPEAR as though he is.

4) When will HIS offense actually score points? who knows....actually win games without herculean efforts by the defense?

Ohhh I don't know, maybe when "HIS" team stops changing offenses, changing head coaches, and trying to trade him for anyone with two arms and two legs.

JC has a million things going through his head right now. Did anyone ever happen to notice that he does best when he changes the plays at the line and takes control of the offense? That's beacuse his instincts are sharp, sound and NFL ready. I can't wait until everyone just lets him run this offense! Fans included...

HAIL

[derekc4]

Sanchez threw a TD, something Campbell hasn't done yet.

[BigMike21]

Sanchez threw a TD

It was a money play too. Help take some of the bad taste out of the Jets fans' mouths from the early part of the 1st quarter.

[myzhi]

Why are we comparing #rookies to veteran? At least give those guys 1 year.












#1st year system?

[Toe Jam]

Can I ask WHY we are comparing these three?

[BigMike21]

Can I ask WHY we are comparing these three?

I assume because those were the two QBs we were looking to trade JC17 for. I dunno, this thread doesn't bother me like others I think it's kind of fun to compare.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Can I ask WHY we are comparing these three?
I would think this is pretty obvious...

[JaimeDeCurry]

Yes, and this is a thread about a comparison between all three. You seem to be on some sort of mission to prove a point that Sanchez is not going to be better than Campbell from this one preseason game. I am putting things in perspective for you.

Eh, I just happened to be watching MNF and commenting on how godawful Sanchez looked. His one completed pass that wasn't a dumpoff was a broken coverage against the Ravens' 2nd stringers. Cutler looked pretty bad in his first preseason game, but played nicely against the Giants from what I saw. Campbell...well, we all know what we saw from Campbell. But yeah, this thread is about comparing the three QBs that will probably be tied to our season by the fans, and how they're faring in the preseason.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Ohhh I don't know, maybe when "HIS" team stops changing offenses, changing head coaches, and trying to trade him for anyone with two arms and two legs.

JC has a million things going through his head right now. Did anyone ever happen to notice that he does best when he changes the plays at the line and takes control of the offense? That's beacuse his instincts are sharp, sound and NFL ready. I can't wait until everyone just lets him run this offense! Fans included...

HAIL

I agree. He just needs a hug.

[Toe Jam]

I would think this is pretty obvious...

Just because the FO went after Cutler and Sanchez does not mean we should compare them all year.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

I really don't see the point.

[BIGOLEBOB]

Well if you want to compare Sanchez to Campbell against the Ravens we would at least have to make Campbell throw a few more passes. 6 throws did not allow for any rhythm plus we might want to put in Portis since Sanchez had his number 1 back, Washington.

want to compare agaisnt the Pittsburgh defense. Kurt Warner and the Cards passing game couldn't get going either against Pitt. Arizona rushing game was virtually nothing and Warner was onl 6-10 with no TD's. Arizona could only score a field goal the first half, same as the Skins.

Although we almost had 7 on the first play of the game...IF...if only IF.

The next 2 games will be the real test for Campbell if we're judging him for effectiveness in the preseason.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Well if you want to compare Sanchez to Campbell against the Ravens we would at least have to make Campbell throw a few more passes. 6 throws did not allow for any rhythm plus we might want to put in Portis since Sanchez had his number 1 back, Washington.

want to compare agaisnt the Pittsburgh defense. Kurt Warner and the Cards passing game couldn't get going either against Pitt. Arizona rushing game was virtually nothing and Warner was onl 6-10 with no TD's. Arizona could only score a field goal the first half, same as the Skins.

Although we almost had 7 on the first play of the game...IF...if only IF.

The next 2 games will be the real test for Campbell if we're judging him for effectiveness in the preseason.


Wow. That was almost...positive.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Just because the FO went after Cutler and Sanchez does not mean we should compare them all year.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

I really don't see the point.

Why shouldn't we compare them? They were all possible starting QBs for us this offseason. A lot of people (myself included) want to see if the right choice was made (which I think wasn't).

[eagleskins]

Well if you want to compare Sanchez to Campbell against the Ravens we would at least have to make Campbell throw a few more passes. 6 throws did not allow for any rhythm plus we might want to put in Portis since Sanchez had his number 1 back, Washington.

want to compare agaisnt the Pittsburgh defense. Kurt Warner and the Cards passing game couldn't get going either against Pitt. Arizona rushing game was virtually nothing and Warner was onl 6-10 with no TD's. Arizona could only score a field goal the first half, same as the Skins.

Although we almost had 7 on the first play of the game...IF...if only IF.

The next 2 games will be the real test for Campbell if we're judging him for effectiveness in the preseason.

Nice excuse. Washington is Sanchez's number 1 back? What world do you live in to continue to make excuses for Candle. Never heard of Thomas Jones, huh? Candle backers reach to new heights.