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jbooma
July-17th-2003, 03:26 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/17/news/economy/recession.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

Group declares recession over

Economists say downturn ended in November 2001 but note the job market's still very weak.

July 17, 2003: 1:42 PM EDT


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The panel that decides U.S. business cycles Thursday declared the economy pulled out of its recession after eight months in November 2001 and is now in a recovery phase.

The announcement from the National Bureau of Economic Research confirmed what many economists already believed: that the economy has resumed growing, albeit slowly.

"The committee determined that a trough in business activity occurred in the U.S. economy in November 2001," the NBER's Business Cycle Dating Committee said in a statement.

In making the determination, the panel of top-notch academic economists made clear it was not passing judgment on the economy's current health.

"In determining that a trough occurred in November 2001, the committee did not conclude that economic conditions since that month have been favorable or that the economy has returned to operating at normal capacity," it said.


In fact, it took note that employment -- one of the key factors it considers in making recession calls -- was stuck in the doldrums. "Indeed, the most recent data indicate that employment has not begun to recover at all," it said.

Members of the panel, widely accepted as the arbiter of U.S. business cycles, had said determining when the recession ended had been complicated by the surprising gains in the productivity of U.S. businesses, which had enabled firms to boost output while laying off workers.

They recently decided to give more weight to measures of U.S. gross domestic product in their deliberations, a decision NBER President Martin Feldstein said would likely make it easier to conclude when the recession ended.

GDP, the broadest measure of the nation's economy, has been growing slowly since late 2001, and the panel noted that it was now 3.3 percent above its pre-recession peak in the fourth quarter of 2000.

The committee said the length of the downturn, which started in March 2001, was "slightly less than average" for recessions in the post World War II period

Sarge
July-17th-2003, 03:31 PM
That's not what Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather and Peter Jennings say on the news every night. What gives?!

jbooma
July-17th-2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Air Sarge
That's not what Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather and Peter Jennings say on the news every night. What gives?!


They don't talk to the right people :laugh:

The Wicked Wop
July-17th-2003, 03:34 PM
the panel of top-notch academic economists

Is there such a thing?:gus:

jbooma
July-17th-2003, 03:35 PM
This is normal when it comes to economics. It takes a long time to determine if you are in or not in a recession. That is why when you hear when the actual date is it seemed so long ago.

Golgo-13
July-17th-2003, 03:40 PM
They say that if you lined up 1000 economists that they would be pointing in 1000 different directions.

redman
July-17th-2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Golgo-13
They say that if you lined up 1000 economists that they would be pointing in 1000 different directions. 2000. They have two hands.

That's why Harry Truman famously asked for "one-handed economists"; he got tired of hearing "on the other hand . . ." from his advisors.

flashback
July-17th-2003, 04:20 PM
If you laid all of the economists in the world end to end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion.

:laugh:

Larry
July-17th-2003, 05:56 PM
So, what they've decided is:

Corporations are making a lot more money.
People are making less.
Up 'till now, this would mean the economy's still having problems.
But, if we change the formula, so it doesn't pay as much attention to the little people, then The Recession's Over!!!


Y'know, this kinda remindes me of some stats I read about the Reagan-Bush economic growth. What they'd said was that, during that 12-year period:

The average income of people in the top 5% of income went up by (roughly) 600%.
The average income of people in the bottom 50% went down by 2% (after adjusting for the relatively minor inflation).

And, this is the period some people would say was the greatest economic period in our nation's history. (And, needs to be repeated.)

fansince62
July-17th-2003, 07:18 PM
is income envy a substitute for something else?