Poll: Are the Giants that good?/Are we that bad?

[flexxskins]

I drank a little bit more than I wanted to and I am going to have to go back and watch the game again tomorrow, because I don't want to form opinions while inebriated.:silly:

But, what did jump out at me immediately was the play calling...IMO it was horrible. And for some reason we can't seem to disguise our blitzes enough for the opposing offense not to be able to pick it up every time.:doh:

[IONTOP]

Not disrespecting the size of your poll...





But I can't see it

Edit: Sorry for the earlier quote... It seems to have popped up..

[flexxskins]

Not disrespecting the size of your poll...





But I can't see it:hysterical:Good one.

I was still creating it. Told I had been drinking.:D

[pez]

Giants have one of the best O-lines and D-lines in the league...

Things will look alot easier for the skins next week (I hope)

[E-Dog Night]

The Giants probably have the best 9 starting linemen in the NFL, with depth to boot.

That alone will win you a lot of games.

[kevincollateral]

there should be an option for

"a little bit of both"

[UNC-Skins]

more like, overall, the giants are a little better than the redskins at this point

[flexxskins]

there should be an option for

"a little bit of both"You're probably right, I should have included that.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Here's a curveball: the Giants aren't that good and we aren't that bad.

[Stophovr6]

You're probably right, I should have included that.

I would've taken that option.

I've been thinking a lot about how every offseason I feel like were a couple of players away from a great team. Right now I think we're a couple of players away from being a bad team.

[ntotoro]

The Giants are good, but Blache sucks, Zorn sucks and Campbell sucks.

I think that about covers it.

It doesn't matter whom we play, we lose the same to the Giants as we do the Bengals or the Rams. Next week isn't a guarantee, either, but people would have you think the teams were polar opposites. We'll still play the Rams much closer than we should. We have a D-Coordinator who misuses talent, a HC who wouldn't be an O-Coordinator anywhere else and Simple Jason taking snaps.

[MattFancy]

I think its a little of both too. The Giants are good, but I don't think we're terrible. We could've played better.

[flexxskins]

The Giants are good, but Blache sucks, Zorn sucks and Campbell sucks.

I think that about covers it.

It doesn't matter whom we play, we lose the same to the Giants as we do the Bengals or the Rams. Next week isn't a guarantee, either, but people would have you think the teams were polar opposites. We'll still play the Rams much closer than we should. We have a D-Coordinator who misuses talent, a HC who wouldn't be an O-Coordinator anywhere else and Simple Jason taking snaps.Hmm, I don't want to agree with all of your first sentence, but if things continue like they did yesterday, I won't have any choice.

As for your third statement, if we end up losing to the Rams or even winning by a close margin, you are going to look like a genius...lol. Well, maybe not a genius, but your quote would be 100% correct.

[ntotoro]

As for your third statement, if we end up losing to the Rams or even winning by a close margin, you are going to look like a genius...lol. Well, maybe not a genius, but your quote would be 100% correct.

Doesn't take a genius to point out what this team has done for the last several years, but I'll grudgingly accept the kudos if it's correct... ;)

[InsaneBoost]

Giants have one of the best O-lines and D-lines in the league...

Things will look alot easier for the skins next week (I hope)

This is why I like Pez, he speaks the truth.

While yes, we didn't look hot, it's still impressive that we score 17 points on them. Beating the Giants in NY is extremely hard especially now that they are so much better. There's a reason most teams have lost to them the past couple of seasons.

I think the problem is us, the fans. We know what this team is capable of, however we hype them up to more than what they are sometimes and when they lose its a big disappointment. The Giants are a good team, everyone knows that.

[Thinking Skins]

Until we learn to throw the ball deep and use our 2nd round draft picks, we will continue to be a crappy team.

Its just so freakin frustrating to watch.

[iMeast]

I will let you know in a few weeks. If the Redskins aren't 3-1 after week four I will say they are that bad.

HTTR

[SoCalSkins]

The Giants are good, but Blache sucks, Zorn sucks and Campbell sucks.

I think that about covers it.


Had we hired Gregg Williams, all of those issues would not exist.

[Thinking Skins]

The Giants are good, but Blache sucks, Zorn sucks and Campbell sucks.

I think that about covers it.


I'm really starting to believe at least two of those statements. Actually, I think they're all true. Blache doesn't know how to get pressure on a QB, Zorn doesn't know how to call a deep pass, and Campbell is in love with ARE, Moss and Cooley. Its depressing.

[Thinking Skins]

I will let you know in a few weeks. If the Redskins aren't 3-1 after week four I will say they are that bad.

HTTR

bull****! If we're 3 and 1 and Campbell has 0 passes that have travelled in the air 30 yards or more and Thomas/Kelly/Davis have no real stats, then we will still suck. We'll just be the worse 3-1 team since Norv Turner. Likewise if we're not getting sacks and turnovers and stopping teams on 3rd down.

[flexxskins]

While yes, we didn't look hot, it's still impressive that we score 17 points on them.Yeah but 7 of those points were on a fake FG and another were in the 4th quarter with only minutes left in the game and the Giants were basically giving us everything underneath.

I'm watching the short version of the game via "Short Cuts" right now. The play calling was just horrible IMO. All the running to the same side (left) over and over again.:doh:

We were just too darn predictable...once again.

[SoCalSkins]

3 points were also a result of starting at the 11 yard line.

[Chachie]

We are not that bad. However, we aren't very good. Wake up, Redskin fans. Just look at our seasonal records since 1994. Hellooooo? How many 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons do you need to get a gauge on your football team? I only needed 10 seasons to know what we have here in DC. We've had 15 years straight of mediocrity, folks. It's what we are.

I guess I'm just a bad fan.

:whoknows:

[ouvan59]

Here's a curveball: the Giants aren't that good and we aren't that bad.

Bingo, unlike the first week last year we weren't completely manhandled. It was an entirely frustrating day but IMO I thought we shot ourselves in the foot more than they beat us. Someone is going to have to explain to me why our CBs play so friggin far off the ball, particularly when we blitz. We blitz, they have their hot reads and our CBs allow it to happen. Then on offense we are playing to fail. As has been pointed out in other threads, we are continually putting ourselves in 3rd and short or medium. It is fine to do that once or twice a drive but to essentially make it your offensive philosophy (as it seems) is a recipe for failure. Even great teams don't convert 3rd downs all the time, even short ones. We seem to be the best team in the league in moving the ball from the 20 to the other team's 40 but we get no further. You have to let your players make plays and we don't.

[Santana_Fan]

The Giants are good, but what went down last night was more of what we did to ourselves. Mental mistakes.

[flexxskins]

Bingo, unlike the first week last year we weren't completely manhandled. It was an entirely frustrating day but IMO I thought we shot ourselves in the foot more than they beat us. Someone is going to have to explain to me why our CBs play so friggin far off the ball, particularly when we blitz. We blitz, they have their hot reads and our CBs allow it to happen. Then on offense we are playing to fail. As has been pointed out in other threads, we are continually putting ourselves in 3rd and short or medium. It is fine to do that once or twice a drive but to essentially make it your offensive philosophy (as it seems) is a recipe for failure. Even great teams don't convert 3rd downs all the time, even short ones. We seem to be the best team in the league in moving the ball from the 20 to the other team's 40 but we get no further. You have to let your players make plays and we don't.What you just described are coaching errors that just cannot be excused (or even explained for that matter) any longer.

[CG]

Definitely would have an opinion falling somewhere in the middle, but with just these two options, you've got to say that right now, we're just that bad. The playcalling was piss poor, and most of the execution was pretty bad too. Right now, I think we're a sub .500 football team, and its certainly not because we don't have the talent.

[Cooley4President]

We're not without fault obviously, but the quality of the Giants offensive and defensive lines will leave at least 9 more teams looking like we did yesterday.

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

The Giants do it the right way. They build from the lines out. They are seriously that good.

The only way to beat them is with great line play and a passing game. Maybe in December at FedEx.

[Smoot4Prez]

I voted for we are that bad, not because we are actually worse than the Giants. I feel like we should have won that game, silly mistakes cost us the game.

The giants are an above average team, but we can be better. Just have to be more focused. O, and we need someone new to call our offensive plays.

[ouvan59]

How many 7-9/8-8/9-7 seasons do you need to get a gauge on your football team? I only needed 10 seasons to know what we have here in DC. We've had 15 years straight of mediocrity, folks. It's what we are.

I guess I'm just a bad fan.

:whoknows:


Sorry, it's not what we are. Norv Turner's years don't factor into this season at all. I understand that as a fan the years run in one big stinky stretch but the only thing that really counts with this group is the last couple of seasons. We are going to go as far as our QB and our coaching staff take us, which unfortunately so far isn't very far. I truly believe that we have all the pieces to be a successful team but we need hugely improved play from Campbell and we need our coaching staff to put a plan together that plays to our strengths and I just don't see it right now.

[rd421]

I think they are this good.....compared to us...honestly at best I think we are looking at a wildcard birth any hope of a deep playoff run is going to be from us pulling off some major upsets like the cards last year...not that any of my opinion is from just yesterday i thought this in july...

[FinalBeast]

I think its a little of both too. The Giants are good, but I don't think we're terrible.

[RiggosMohawk]

I will let you know in a few weeks. If the Redskins aren't 3-1 after week four I will say they are that bad.

HTTR

I think you're right on the money with this. Lose any of the next three, at best we are a mediocre team.

[mi6]

We had every opportunit to beat the Giants ... and, we did not. We played poorly, and are our coaching and team attitude is just that bad!

For instance, take the first run. A good call, Clinton ran for 34 ... But, he was slow and ran out of gas. Another NFL RB would have willed himself to the end zone -- especially, keeping in mind the magnitude of the game.

ARE - should have been benched for his idiotic play. Being a 8 year ventran you need to know when the paly is dead, and save taking losses.

D'Angelo Hall and Carlos were too far off, and got tourched. That's on Greg and his vanilla defensive scheme. Wish we had someone like, Jim Johnson (now deceased), or the Titan or the Steelers Defensive Coordinators. These guys come up with exotic blitzes that results in significant pressure on the QB, and RB.

Our vertical passing game has to be the BIGGEST JOKE in the NFL. We throw deep balls with no purpose other than throwing one. This duke and juke b/s for 2 yards passing is ridiculous. :doh:

Time to dial it up. Jason needs to look for other receivers besides Santana, ARE, and Cooley. And, we certainly need to get Devin, Malcomb, Marko, and Fred involved.

[flexxskins]

We had every opportunit to beat the Giants ... and, we did not. We played poorly, and are our coaching and team attitude is just that bad!

For instance, take the first run. A good call, Clinton ran for 34 ... But, he was slow and ran out of gas. Another NFL RB would have willed himself to the end zone -- especially, keeping in mind the magnitude of the game.

ARE - should have been benched for his idiotic play. Being a 8 year ventran you need to know when the paly is dead, and save taking losses.

D'Angelo Hall and Carlos were too far off, and got tourched. That's on Greg and his vanilla defensive scheme. Wish we had someone like, Jim Johnson (now deceased), or the Titan or the Steelers Defensive Coordinators. These guys come up with exotic blitzes that results in significant pressure on the QB, and RB.

Our vertical passing game has to be the BIGGEST JOKE in the NFL. We throw deep balls with no purpose other than throwing one. This duke and juke b/s for 2 yards passing is ridiculous. :doh:

Time to dial it up. Jason needs to look for other receivers besides Santana, ARE, and Cooley. And, we certainly need to get Devin, Malcomb, Marko, and Fred involved.I agree with everything that you had to say except for CP being slow and running out of gas. It was his first run of the day, how could he have run out of gas?

[ZIBBY28]

the Giants have a damn good football team. their front 7 on defense is full of athletes that can do it all.. the skins just dont match up well against them, and thats the way it is sometimes.. its not that far-fetched to think the giants will be in the superbowl this year.. a 6 point loss, although ugly, aint too shabby

[skinsmania123]

First of all I think both clubs have glaring holes in their secondary. Had we not have two bone headed turnovers while we were rolling it would have turned out much differently.

The Giants do not impress me and neither do the Skins

[ouvan59]

What you just described are coaching errors that just cannot be excused (or even explained for that matter) any longer.

I would agree with that. I like Jim Zorn but he's got this year to get a lot better in game planning and in-game management or he needs to go IMO.

[Painkiller]

I think the Giants are definitely a team that could go all the way. Whether they will or not remains to be seen. The Redskins hurt themselves yesterday as much as the Giants beat them. Our team is not "that bad" but we are probably not a playoff team. We are still somewhere in the middle. This could all change if things start clicking.

[ciresolstice]

The Giants are good, very good...we got handled but looking back at it, it wasn't that bad. We aren't good enough to beat them right now but I don't think that far off either all things considered. So I don't think the Giants are other worldly, and we aren't bottom of the barrel either.

[redskin301]

if this is a bad year zorn jcam..smith and blache will get cut (oh and vinny to)

[NFC Beast]

both. Giants played bad and still won. giants had 3 cbs, only 1 who started before. Giants played with 2 rbs all game.

Skins just dont look like they have it on offense. The D looked good at times, stopping the run. Although thats alot easier when you have 8 or 9 in the box.

[skinsgirl26]

I said we are that bad, but I would have rather voted "we were that bad." The Gmen are a talented team, there's no denying it, but save for some stupid mistakes (JC, ARE, D. Hall, Landry: feel free to step up and take some blame), we weren't that terrible of a team. We played too sloppy against too good a team. As we all know, the Redskins haven't been good enough to win tough games when they've made stupid mistakes.

The playcalling on the other hand, was that bad. And if it continues all season, it's going to hinder the performances of our players. And we will be that bad.

[Ashburn Dave]

The Giants are good, but Blache sucks, Zorn sucks and Campbell sucks.

I think that about covers it.

It doesn't matter whom we play, we lose the same to the Giants as we do the Bengals or the Rams. Next week isn't a guarantee, either, but people would have you think the teams were polar opposites. We'll still play the Rams much closer than we should. We have a D-Coordinator who misuses talent, a HC who wouldn't be an O-Coordinator anywhere else and Simple Jason taking snaps.

ding, ding ding! Blache doesn't know how to bring pressure like all the better defenses with their stunts and blitzes. He's too worried about his guys winning their individual battles. Zorn's play calling was horrible.

[thewagen]

The Giants probably have the best 9 starting linemen in the NFL, with depth to boot.

That alone will win you a lot of games.

Stop heaping praise on the GiNOTS...they are NOT that good. 'Boys are gonna rip em a new one this week...but that also says the Redskins stink! Get used to it, the Redskins are not that good.

[Supreme Wu]

I guess this poll proves that fifty percent of ES thinks that the glass of water is half full and the other fifty percent thinks that it doesn't matter because they ordered a damn sprite in the first place and this waitress sucks and isn't getting a tip

[Dondrae474]

I agree the Giants aren't that good and we aren't that bad.

[Wyndorf25]

Neither dude. C'mon man. The Skins lost by 6 to a pretty good Giants team playing at home on opening day.

Get Landry to play under control...
Get Campbell to step up into the pocket to avoid the rush...
Get the O and D lineman to minimize penalties...
Get Zorn to mix up his play-calling a bit...

This game might have been much different.

[Renegade7]

The giants we're good enough to survive us not on our A game. A lot of other teams won't be so lucky.

[stbabyy]

We made a lot of mental errors... A LOT! And we kept in the game. Our offense showed some promise just not when it mattered. I still have high hopes!

[Cept One]

The giants are a good team but the Skins could have won the game with better coaching. The offensive game plan did not exploit a thin giants secondary and our corners did not take advantage of their unproven receivers.

[isle-hawg]

We are that bad, can't seem to score points with our offense. Not counting the fake FG turned to a TD by our punter our O only scored 10 points - 7 of which came in garbage time when the game was basically over barring a Bills type collapse.

[21Knock_U_Out]

Take away 2 plays and we win, So I say neither.

[angel2]

there should be an option for

"a little bit of both"


I agree. The Skins are not that bad at all. Haynesworth will set the tempo for the Defense. The Offense relies on Zorn to make the right plays, not Jason performing what he has done since Pop Warner Football.

Zorn is making Jason think too much. I believe Campbell knows enough of this offense to run with it.

[captain_obvious]

Kind of both. I voted that the Giants are that good. At least they are better coached and play well together, as a unit. The 'Skins are mediocre.

I really wouldn't worry about yesterday's game too much. The Giants at home on opening day? Who else wants that game? With as many mistakes as the 'Skins made, it's a freakin' miracle that the game was as close as it was.

If the 'Skins stink it up against the Lambs next week...worry.

[TDColt]

What I noticed from watching the game is the team's body language, it had defeat a long time before the final outcome. The players looked down, depressed, and dejected. Not good for a championship team. They showed no emotion and no spark.

[NOLASKINSFAN]

What I noticed from watching the game is the team's body language, it had defeat a long time before the final outcome. The players looked down, depressed, and dejected. Not good for a championship team. They showed no emotion and no spark.


I really didn't notice that. I mean the D look tired, but dang look how long they were on the field. Then The Offense came in the last drive and look great, just burned too much time..

[InsaneBoost]

Giants are just that good. We made some stupid plays and calls here and there, but at the end of the day New York as been brutal in their stadium for the past 5 years to us.

[NoCalMike]

The Giants won the game in the trenches, with their O-line & D-line. Their position players didn't do anything special, but just about an QB, when given all day to throw against a defense that willingly gives a 10 yard cushion in the secondary, is going to find open guys.

The Patriots of the early millenium, The Eagles, the Giants in 2007, and the Steelers of late seem to be showing that games are won in the trenches.

You don't have to have the greatest fantasy football point makers at every position, you need solid play in the trenches.