Why did the Redskins lose to the Giants?

[4skins23]

In your own words and opinions tell me and everyone why you think the Redskins lost to the Giants.
Reason I am asking this is it seems everyone says something different. It will spark some debate, and honestly, I just can't figure it out. I watched the game and it seemed everyone was busting their hump. Just seemed no matter what the 'skins did, they got stuffed. Imo, the defense was pretty good. Could have been better, but only if they would have been able to get some rest from some help from the Offense staying on the field with some drives. Offense looked VERY anemic.
Jc had 2 fumbles, but were they his fault? partially yes, partially no. After the first 1 why didn't the QB coach or Zorn tell him to step up more in the pocket? What were the QB's and QB coaches working on during training camp and off season? At one point they showed JC and the QB coach sitting on the sidelines. JC was studing the pics of plays and the coach did nothing, said nothing. At that point it seemed like JC was on his own and the QB coach was worthless. That coach should have been telling him what his mistakes were, how to correct them, and what and how the other team is and or was doing to get to him. -And how he can expose them. Instead the QB coach just seemed dazed, maybe watching the game.
They say a picture says a thousand words, and obviously to me that picture did. What do you all 'skins fans think?

[skinsfan1523]

I thought we were moving the ball fine through the air, but we kept doing that run left crap on first down get stuffed, then the drive would stall. I think the reason we lost was the defense wasn't able to get stops on 3rd downs, and the offense didn't get a decent possession till late in the 2nd quarter. The Giants holding the ball about 13 min longer then us really hurt us. And of course the Campbell fumble and int which were major bumbles. Overall though it was a frustrating loss, cause thise definitely could have been a win.

[Zhouse]

Missed tackles
Osi combined with Jason's mistake in not stepping up or getting rid of the ball
Time of Possession Skins:23:52 -36:08 Giants
Skins O not getting it done in the redzone

[authentic]

-2 things to note about the loss Time of Possesion 36:08(NY) vs 23:52(WAS)...That is a 12 minute differece! Insane. Secondly, the Giants only punted ONCE the entire game. Those two things means that the Giants basically had total control of the game.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Hmmm....playcalling, quarterbacking, a lack of overall effort, not giving a damn, etc.

:(

[Stadium-Armory]

Hrmm.. many things at a tactical level (tackling, 3rd downs on defense, TOP, etc). But I don't think those are the CORE REASON. Those are manifestations of the reason. Which is that we lack good leadership and coaching.

Most NFL teams have talent (some don't, but most do). And we do. We can move the ball at times, and stop people at times. You see us do it, and wonder why we can't consistently do it.

Leadership and coaching. I feel like we're just not very tight, and confident in what we're doing. We don't thrive on the pressure. I guess my point is that it isn't any of those tactical things like - better tackling (sure, it'd be great if we tackled better). Its a larger problem.

[authentic]

Hmmm....playcalling, quarterbacking, a lack of overall effort, not giving a damn, etc.

:(

Playcalling, definately...How do you call 2 straight run plays on the opponent's 6 yard line after a int? you have to be more aggressive.

[Koolblue13]

Rookie QB play and predictable play calling.

The poor secondary tackling didn't help either.

The lack of TOP made the D look a little gassed in the second half.

We were having excellent success throwing the ball, why on earth did that stop on every drive?

[authentic]

Hrmm.. many things at a tactical level (tackling, 3rd downs on defense, TOP, etc). But I don't think those are the CORE REASON. Those are manifestations of the reason. Which is that we lack good leadership and coaching.

Most NFL teams have talent (some don't, but most do). And we do. We can move the ball at times, and stop people at times. You see us do it, and wonder why we can't consistently do it.

Leadership and coaching. I feel like we're just not very tight, and confident in what we're doing. We don't thrive on the pressure. I guess my point is that it isn't any of those tactical things like - better tackling (sure, it'd be great if we tackled better). Its a larger problem.

Yeah, look at the lowly Chiefs, they almost took one at Baltimore yesterday, with Brady Croyle, no Tony Gonzalez, and a toilet tissue offensive line. Yet they were more competative in that game than we were against NY.

[authentic]

Rookie QB play and predictable play calling.

The poor secondary tackling didn't help either.

The lack of TOP made the D look a little gassed in the second half.

We were having excellent success throwing the ball, why on earth did that stop on every drive?

....because we need to "keep it medium" and have a "balanced" attack...:hysterical:

[MattFancy]

Playcalling, definately...How do you call 2 straight run plays on the opponent's 6 yard line after a int? you have to be more aggressive.

We should've done a play right to the endzone after that. We just caused a turnover, we should've gone for the dagger. Nothing like an INT and then an TD on the next play. Instead, we settle for a FG.

[dexter's manley]

Because the Giants are a MUCH better team

[Hail Gibbs]

Too conservative on Offense and Defense
Stupid selfish penalties
Poor 3rd and Long D
Bad tackling
Tentative and unaware QB play

[Koolblue13]

....because we need to "keep it medium" and have a "balanced" attack...:hysterical:


That and Jason LOVES the check downs.

[skinzwiz]

The real reasons for the loss were:

1. Santana playing like a rookie WR not coming back to the ball and getting completely shut out.

2. Randle El making yet another dumb decision messing up the first drive.

3. Campbell inaccurate in key situations...I've been supporting him, but I'm starting to have doubts.

4. Secondary getting torched by Giants WR's and Landry is looking more like a big time name than a big time player to me right now...so is Hall.

5. Daniels and Carter non-existent on defense.

I just think the personnel on the team is used wrong.

[authentic]

Because the Giants are a MUCH better team

And the Cardinals (last year's NFC Champions) are a much better team than the 49'ers and they still got beat at home.

[Busch1724]

Two things really:
-Can't tackle
-The wide receivers

Campbell made one stupid play, the fumble returned for six.
Moss has to fight for a ball on the sideline, but didn't.
You can have all the time in the world, but when the receivers don't get separation what's the quarterback supposed to do?

[Chachie]

Aside from the following facts...

1. Coughlin is a better coach than Zorn.

2. The Giants have more talent, motivation, and toughness than we do.


... We have no QB, WRs, run blocking, or tackling.


Next question?

[authentic]

Two things really:
-Can't tackle
-The wide receivers

Campbell made one stupid play, the fumble returned for six.
Moss has to fight for a ball on the sideline, but didn't.
You can have all the time in the world, but when the receivers don't get separation what's the quarterback supposed to do?

Campbell even admitted on the INT he should have just ran with the ball. So the fault was both on he and Moss on that play.

[skinzwiz]

The gameplan and effort was terrible.

[Stadium-Armory]

Everything we're talking about here: game plan, tackling, effort aren't the problem. Those are things that happen because of THE problem. We should ask our selves: "why didn't we tackle better, why did our game plan suck, why did we give up 3rd down conversions?". Why? I don't think its straight football talent, I think its coaching and leadership. We have nunyon.

What we need is a coach and some new leaders to come in and install a system. Something everyone can get behind. A system that gets drilled in to these guys, such taht they don' thave to think about it anymore. They just go and do it. And some leaders who keep everyone marching in that same direction - a direction that is clearly defined and everyone can see.

Hate to use the Patriots example again.. but they're a good case study. Bellicheck has his system, and he has his leaders (Like Bruscci was for a long time) who keep everyone on the same track. We need something like that.

[28skinsfan]

Reasons we lose:

Two big mistakes by Campbell
Bad defense by the secondary
Sticking to the run on downs where we should have been passing (this can be attributed to bad play calling).
Unintelligent play overall (dumb penalties and bad tackling)

Other than these the team actually showed a glimmer of promise. The O line actually gave JC time but he has to consistently execute. And Zorn needs to learn how to adjust. If the run is not there, its not going to be there until you give the opposing defense a different look. You won't get different results trying to run the same predictable thing.

[KillaCam21]

I agree that coaching and leadership has something to do with it, but that doesnt mean that this coaching staff can't get it done. Neither the Steelers nor the Cardinals looked like superbowl teams early last season, but both teams got it turned around. There's no reason Zorn can't get this team playing well again.

I think the int by campbell on the sideline goes squarely on Jason. He was across the line of scrimmage when he threw the ball. Moss saw him cross the line, then he stopped thinking he wouldnt throw it (or anticipated that campbell was going to run). Campbell was a good two yards across the los when he threw that ball, so I dont think you can really blame moss on that even though it'd be nice if his attitude was to run hard until the whistle on every play.

[UK_HOG]

We were flattered by the score. The Giants were far superior to us last night. Our offensive line could not create any running room for Portis, Our defensive backs could not tackle, the Giants could have an easy 5 yards every play if they wanted the amount of room we were giving there wide receivers. Jason Campbell will never be the quarterback of a superbowl winning team. He is now an experienced player who should not be making schoolboy errors like he made last night. He had pretty good pass protection last night considering who we were playing but you can't make the errors he made when you are up against a good team.

We will probably finish the season around 8 - 8 or 9 - 7 but no play offs for us on that performance.

[Oldfan]

We were out-coached on offense and defense. Blache didn't apply enough pressure to Eli and Zorn stuck to a poor game plan and didn't deploy his receiver advantage over the Giants well.

[LoveDaSkins172645]

Jason Campbell simply isn't smart enough to play QB in the NFL. I also think the play calling on both sides of the ball was ass backwards. I think Laron Landry stinks and is over rated and has been lost since Sean Taylor was killed. I think Orakpo is being used wrong and I think the coaches here are a bunch of little league coaches that will never have any success on this level. That is why we lost yesterday.

[TheJMan]

It seems pretty clear to me that we are not aggressive enough. It starts with Zorn. Attacking the defense and aggressive playcalling seems to give us the best chance to win every time. Yes, the fake field goal was a little desperate, but it was aggressive. And so was the touchdown drive at the end of the game. I have no idea what Zorn's thought process was as the offense was getting shutdown. How about some shots downfield? We're going to give the ball up on the next play anyway. By the 3rd quarter, I'd much rather see a downfield pass to a covered Moss, than a 1 yd run from Portis on a 2nd and long. We don't have to totally abandon the run, but how about a little play action screen to Portis, etc. to move the ball? I know we had enough O-line protection for that.

Yes, the defense had its share of problems as well. But considering they were on the field the entire game, I'm not really worried. So they had some missed tackles. They also had some big stops, limited Jacobs to 46 yds, 1 INT, 1 fumble recovery, and allowed only 1 TD. I'll take that against the Giants.

[GhostofSparta]

The reason we lost? When the clock read 0:00 at the end of the 4th quarter, the Giants had more points than us.








Also, either Eli or his recievers have some type of good luck charm, because there is no other way to explain how often they come up with a play that is simultaneously clutch and lucky.

[Doctorfro]

Giants scored more points....duh? But seriously folks....it was all-around inconsistent game. The only bright spots I saw were London Fletcher and Hunter the Punter.

[danthemann71]

1.) DeAngelo Hall had that nice INT (although it was tipped), but he really messed up several times in coverage. Overall, our zones were too soft. Why didn't we press their inexperienced receivers more?
2.) Every time we blitzed, the Giants seemed to get the ball out just in time. Every time they blitzed, they got to Campbell almost immediately. Our OL does not seem to do a good job with protection assignments.
3.) JC needs to have better pocket presence and step up into the pocket more often. Otherwise the DEs are going to get sacks and fumbles more frequently. And why did he audible into a running play on 3rd and 8 after the Giants had stacked the box?
4.) We didn't stretch the field. But then again, our protection wasn't offering us enough time to do so. I don't know whether their coverage was great, or our route running was poor, but nobody seemed to be open. Even the check-downs were covered when they blitzed.
5.) We called two screen plays and no quick-slants, which would have countered the blitz. And the screen play to Santana was to the left side while we were already on the left hash and the Giants had rolled coverage.
6.) Inconsistency.

[Box76]

We lost because we had to start the season on the road against a division rival (AGAIN). Thats a tough thing to do for any team as evidenced by the 1-4 record for such games this week.

[Skinz4Life12]

well for starters, coughlin >>>> zorn

[4skins23]

a lot of you have said the passing game was doing good but I don't think they stretched the field enough. Or at least connected. Pass plays were (I'm guessing) maybe 3 yds per pass or completion. need to strtch it some

[WRKiller]

The team plays as if it has no confidence in the game plan.
Playcalling is pedestrian.
Key players lack discipline.

Time for Zorn to try the Costanza method: take everything he would normally do, and try the exact opposite.

[tr1]

-2 things to note about the loss Time of Possesion 36:08(NY) vs 23:52(WAS)...That is a 12 minute differece! Insane. Secondly, the Giants only punted ONCE the entire game. Those two things means that the Giants basically had total control of the game.

Ding!

I'd say the play calling was pretty weak during the entire first half.

[Skinsfor4]

10 yd cushion by the CBs,this has gone on long enough.How about gettig physical at the LOS with subpar WRs.

[BadKarma]

Clearly the Giants had a plan in this game and executed it while we looked like we were just running preseason plays.

[Custer]

Everything we're talking about here: game plan, tackling, effort aren't the problem. Those are things that happen because of THE problem. We should ask our selves: "why didn't we tackle better, why did our game plan suck, why did we give up 3rd down conversions?". Why? I don't think its straight football talent, I think its coaching and leadership. We have nunyon.

What we need is a coach and some new leaders to come in and install a system. Something everyone can get behind. A system that gets drilled in to these guys, such taht they don' thave to think about it anymore. They just go and do it. And some leaders who keep everyone marching in that same direction - a direction that is clearly defined and everyone can see.

Hate to use the Patriots example again.. but they're a good case study. Bellicheck has his system, and he has his leaders (Like Bruscci was for a long time) who keep everyone on the same track. We need something like that.


yep, at least 6 consecutive 1st downs in the 2nd half were runs LT.

Zorn needs to let someone else call the plays. He sucks.

Your stuck with cambell, at least play him to win, not to not loose.

[Chachie]

We lost because the Giants are better. Not much more to say.

I didn't expect the Redskins to win that game. The reason I'm so down on the team today isn't because we lost. It's because we didn't do anything different than we have always done and we won't win more than 6-7 games if this trend continues. This was to be a year of change, flat out. JC was supposed to be smarter. He's not. The young WRs are supposed to produce. They once again did not. Zorn was supposed to have more ammo in the playbook. This may have been his worst play-calling game yet.

[Charlied72]

Turn overs , ZERO momentum of offense and a coach that has no confidence in his quarterback. Also noting finishing drives off, to many 3 and outs.