True or False: Clinton Portis is still a Beast.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

After witnessing what we saw in Game One, does Clinton still qualify for that Beast Status (when he is not blocking) to you or is there a new beast in the league?!

[ttr77]

I think the years of abuse are starting to take a toll on him, and it's beginning to show.

[jaydean]

unfortunately, i think that clinton has departed the "beast" category. also, unfortunately, i think that santana moss has seen his better years go by.

[Santana_Fan]

He's still a beast.

[tone_dubbz]

Its unfortunate, but I think he's on the latter side of his career. Look at LT, even he's not the same dude. I know CP is only 28, but he's an old 28. The only way he's scoring any TDs if its 1st and goal.

[capt1an chaos]

Still a beast. No doubt. 1500 yards last season and people think he is losing it...:doh:

[yellow41]

The heart and passion is still there. But all those carries have taken a toll. Anyone who watched LT late last night can see that it happens even to the all-time greats.

[bishtw]

He hasn't given up the ghost yet. Whats considered a beast, 1000 yards 5 TDs? Or 1300 yards 8 TDs? 1500 12 TDs?

I think he is more then able to get 1300 yards and 8 TDs this year.

[Skinz4Life12]

i think the years of abuse are starting to take a toll on him, and it's beginning to show.

+1

[skinsdude]

We can't ride on his back forever. He's been our entire offense for the past several years. We've wasted his productivity while we search for a quarterback.

[Hail Gibbs]

I think he still has some left in his tank. Although he did look a bit heavier and all those carries are bound to take their toll eventually.
Continually calling basically the same running play didn't help him much, but still the team should be able to execute better.

[NoleSkin21]

His mind says go, and his body says no. He is still a top 15 RB, but his running style has taken its toll on him. He is a warrior whose body is paying the price now. I would like to see him retire in the next 2 years, so he can walk when he is 50.

[Mad Mike]

False.

A good work horse: yes.
A very good blocker (when he chooses the correct option): yes.

But a breakaway runner would have scored a TD on that first run of the Giants game, and we saw what a real beast of a runner is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

[MattFancy]

Wait until this Sunday. You'll think he's still a beast.

[bishtw]

Its unfortunate, but I think he's on the latter side of his career. Look at LT, even he's not the same dude. I know CP is only 28, but he's an old 28. The only way he's scoring any TDs if its 1st and goal.

I'll remember to bump this thread later on.


BTW are you sharing what ever your drinking over there:40oz:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

False...he's a good RB in the NFL. Given good blocking and a decent passing game, he can be a top-10 back, but he's not a stud.

I think we need to seriously consider cutting him loose if next year is uncapped and finding a younger replacement for him. If we continue to pursue the WCO, a power back like CP has become is not that crucial.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Has he ever truly been a "beast" in his time in DC?

Not attacking the OP here, but in general, we really do tend to overate our own players, and I'd put Clinton in that category.

He's been a heck of a good back for us, a real warrior, and I appreciate all his efforts over the duration; but anything approaching "beast" like #'s, to compare to backs like LT and Peterson if he keeps going the way he's started, he left behind in Denver, IMHO. I very much doubt he'll get consideration for the HoF for example when all's said and done, which I'd expect a "beast" RB to be in.

But regardless, as ttr77 said previous, those years of punishment we've dished out to him are starting to take there toll.

Hail.

[Santana_Fan]

Ask defenses what they think about CP :)

[21forlyfe]

Game to Game fans will change opinion once Zorn is fired and Mike Shanny is the coach....or IF Zorn aka coach Kline grows a pair CP will be in the top 5 rushers in the NFL

is he a Beast?HELL YEAH!!How can the 4th leading rusher in the nfl, with the worst offense in NFL history,and the weakest Line in the NFL be anything else but a beast? CP play against more 8in the box fronts then AP i wonder why? AP is the best RB in the NFL but sees a 8 in the box defense less than CP SMFH....its all because of Zorn

[ST is my boy]

No.....we need someone who can take that first run to the house. I dont know if he is out of shape or just slow.....but he has had way to many runs like that one that really should be taken to the house.


Hes a very good back....but as usual for runningbacks.....hes getting a little worse year after year.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

He's still a very good back.

But he looked a little plodding or top-heavy or something on Sunday. He wasn't exploding through the line the way I'm used to.

Or may be it was just the Giants D.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

He's still a very good back.

But he looked a little plodding or top-heavy or something on Sunday. He wasn't exploding through the line the way I'm used to.

Or may be it was just the Giants D.

I think that's the back he's become. In Denver, he finds a way to take that first run to the house...

Not bashing the guy, he's an OLD 28 and we've run him into the ground. I just don't think he's the same guy he was 5 years ago (rightfully so).

[Chachie]

Still a beast until he goes 6-8 active games with meager production. The guy led the league by a mile for the first half of last season and finished with nice numbers despite a depleted offensive line. However, I'm sorely disappointed by how he ran on sunday vs. NY.

[HailNatsSkinz]

People are mistaken in regards to Portis. I don't think him not looking like his old self has to do with ability, I strongly believe it has to do with his fitness. Portis is almost twice as big as he was in his Denver days. Dude looked overweight (for an athlete) and slow against the Giants on Sunday. I just think Portis needs to take care of himself better and take the offseason a little more seriously. It's not just about showing up at Redskins Park, its about what you do while you're there. Enough of the drama and the practice/preseason game controversies. Just work your butt off in the gym, play/practice when you're told to, and show up ready every Sunday.

[Nash614]

unfortunately, i think that clinton has departed the "beast" category. also, unfortunately, i think that santana moss has seen his better years go by.


Clinton may have departed from his "beast" category, but he's still a reliable RB that can usually get the job done. I do, however, disagree with you saying Santana has seen his better years go by. Seeing him make that great catch near the sideline in either the Patriots or Steelers pre-season game (I forget which one) only reassured my thoughts.

I hope in either this year's draft or the next, we find us a new one. Not to say that Clinton should leave, but it's about time to look toward the future.

[Santana_Fan]

We were saying the same thing last year around this time. Remember what happened the weeks after :).

[CG]

You can't separate Portis and this OLine. For example, Adrian Peterson is an incredible, game changing back, but he's also got debatably the best run blocking line in the game. Our OL, especially this year, is not capable of getting a great push in the running game. We saw it in the preseason and we saw it in the Giants game. Put CP behind Minn's line and he'd be a 1500 yard back EASY.

He's been a freaking warrior, and no one can say that he doesn't have heart or passion. Extremely reliable, doesn't fumble often and has been relatively durable in every down use. His worst injury was that shoulder in 2006 when he was tackling a DB on an INT return in the preseason.

Now, do I think that Portis has lost a step? I hate to say it, but yes. There's no 1-cut and to the house runs left in him. He's one of my favorite redskins, but the dude has more carries than most 30 year olds, and he's only 28. We need to find a replacement for him, and soon. We also need to get somebody in there to spell him more often who can actually produce. I can't really find any reason for Betts to be our #2. I liked what I saw from Mason, but that's another story.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I hope in either this year's draft or the next, we find us a new one. Not to say that Clinton should leave, but it's about time to look toward the future.

We need to stress the future at both RB and WR. Hopefully Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell can overtake Moss in the next year or two. Eventually having Moss in the slot and the other guys on the outside would be a nice lineup at WR.

As far as RB goes, this may be CP's last year in the B&G. Even though he has a couple more years as a productive back, ridding ourselves of his salary and cap number would be far too attractive if 2010 is uncapped. We could use some new blood in the running game.

Keep Mason and bring on two younger guys (and maybe keep Rock for ST) from the draft to eventually replace CP.

[Santana_Fan]

In his interview he said "I'm built Ford tough, I''ll never break down, baby". Haha.

[corn_beef_n_rice]

you can't escape father time

portis still can contribute big time

having butts in their on 3rd downs will help him

[darrelgreenie]

or is there a new beast in the league?!

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[CG]

We need to stress the future at both RB and WR. Hopefully Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell can overtake Moss in the next year or two. Eventually having Moss in the slot and the other guys on the outside would be a nice lineup at WR.

As far as RB goes, this may be CP's last year in the B&G. Even though he has a couple more years as a productive back, ridding ourselves of his salary and cap number would be far too attractive if 2010 is uncapped. We could use some new blood in the running game.

Keep Mason and bring on two younger guys (and maybe keep Rock for ST) from the draft to eventually replace CP.

Yep, gotta say I agree with you. I believe the saying goes that you'd rather get rid of a player 1 year too early than 1 year too late.

[ajlaird82]

He's no elite back anymore but he is still good for 1000+ yard seasons. We need to move up mason on the roster and have him get some touches to take the load off of portis.

[Fletch_Lives59]

False.............

[Iced Coffee]

on sunday all i could think about was.

if only we drafted peterson

god i hate thinking in retrospect :doh:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

on sunday all i could think about was.

if only we drafted peterson

god i hate thinking in retrospect :doh:

But that's the thing...we (as an organization) say that we draft the best player available, but we really don't.

We drafted Rogers over Ware and Merriman.
We drafted Landry over Peterson.

So, in general, we seem to draft for perceived need, not BPA.

[rd421]

this thread needs a poll OP....
I think that after one game its too soon to tell honestly

[flexxskins]

Yeah, lets make this determination right after we play our first game against arguably the best d-line in the league.:doh:

[Warpath11]

But that's the thing...we (as an organization) say that we draft the best player available, but we really don't.

We drafted Rogers over Ware and Merriman.
We drafted Landry over Peterson.

So, in general, we seem to draft for perceived need, not BPA.

The Redskins may have scored Rogers over Ware and Merriman and Landry over Peterson. We will never know what their big board looked like for those drafts. In retrospect sure we messed up but at the time of the draft those may have been our grades.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

He's a beast in the blocking game. When I think of a beast running back, watching AP this past Sunday is what comes to mind.

[kramdizzle]

a beast? no. a very good running back? yes.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

The Redskins may have scored Rogers over Ware and Merriman and Landry over Peterson. We will never know what their big board looked like for those drafts. In retrospect sure we messed up but at the time of the draft those may have been our grades.

That's true...I guess we never know. I stand corrected.

[ttr77]

unfortunately, i think that clinton has departed the "beast" category. also, unfortunately, i think that santana moss has seen his better years go by.

This is what makes me nervous about this team's future. There are VERY few real contributors and difference-makers on this team that can be considered on the upside of their careers. Perhaps only Cooley? Like it or not, JC is still an unknown. So are the rookies from last year.

[SonnyRules]

His shoulders can't take the pounding anymore. He will be toast three-quarters of the way through the season. I'm afraid he is entering his twilight years.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

This is what makes me nervous about this team's future. There are VERY few real contributors and difference-makers on this team that can be considered on the upside of their careers. Perhaps only Cooley? Like it or not, JC is still an unknown. So are the rookies from last year.

Offensively that's very true. That is why I'd like to see Davis, Mason, Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell all get some reps as the season goes on. We may have a changing-of-the-guard on this team over the next 2-3 seasons. Really, we only need to address RB, but we may have gotten old at that position pretty quickly.

[monkeezgob]

To be honest I'd never put Portis in the beast category. He was a great slashing/downhill runner and although he's carried the team since he got here, I don't think our schemes every really fitted his style of running. He's still a good back, but there's no doubt he's lost some of that explosive speed and accleration he used to have.

Now Brandon Jacobs, that's what I'd call a beast of a back, a north south runner who will just run over and through you, no finesse, just tremendous strength and power. We've never had a back like that since Davis. I'd love to see our running game have that sort of physicality and power to it again.

[Madison Redskin]

Portis is still a "Beast." He still blocks as well as any runningback, has pretty good hands, can run off tackle or in between the tackles, is highly productive, and makes teams plan to try to shut him down by stuffing the box. Portis is not, however, a player who will break a game wide open with big plays.

[ttr77]

Offensively that's very true.

Personally I think it's true on defense as well. Who's there? As far as I can tell, it's only at the safety positions. All the other young players are still very much in question.

[Vladimir L]

Zorn is the problem

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Personally I think it's true on defense as well. Who's there? As far as I can tell, it's only at the safety positions. All the other young players are still very much in question.

Depends on what you call "young" honestly...

We have DT in place for the next 5 years (Haynesworth, Golston, Montgomery, and Alexander) if we want to re-sign those guys. We have DE in place for the next 8 years in Jarmon and Orakpo (granted, I realize they are unproven, but at some point you have to count on your young talent).

At LB, we have Rocky...but this is where I see us as weaker than other positions from a youth standpoint. Maybe you can count Blades?

Secondary, like them our not, the entire secondary is very young except our nickel back (Smoot): Hall, Rogers, Landry, and Horton as starters and Doughty, Moore, and Barnes as depth.

[Portis for 6]

I swear we need a win!

When people are questioning our Pro-Bowl running Back= We need a Win....

[ttr77]

Depends on what you call "young" honestly...

We have DT in place for the next 5 years (Haynesworth, Golston, Montgomery, and Alexander) if we want to re-sign those guys. We have DE in place for the next 8 years in Jarmon and Orakpo (granted, I realize they are unproven, but at some point you have to count on your young talent).

At LB, we have Rocky...but this is where I see us as weaker than other positions from a youth standpoint. Maybe you can count Blades?

Secondary, like them our not, the entire secondary is very young except our nickel back (Smoot): Hall, Rogers, Landry, and Horton as starters and Doughty, Moore, and Barnes as depth.

Valid points. I just don't see a whole lot of true difference makers in that group. Yet. But they are pretty solid.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Valid points. I just don't see a whole lot of true difference makers in that group. Yet. But they are pretty solid.

Yeah, that's true...we're not loaded with studs or anything.

[21forlyfe]

on sunday all i could think about was.

if only we drafted peterson

god i hate thinking in retrospect :doh:

LMFAO:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:A Peterson would have been a Adverage back in DC
First of all he wouldnt have started with Gibbs in his rookie season,then after he went through 300 carries on this team in the NFC east he would be done... Some people still dont know their own team...lmfao our team is not made for a back like AP..we are too conservative and too sorry.I bet you wonder why people like ARE,come here an dont look the same as they did with there other teams....Lets take a player like Andre Johnson maybe the best WR in the NFl or you can give us Larry Fitz...they wouldn't produce like they do on their current teams...It is the Redskins...there is no doubt that AP is the best in the NFL..but look at his team when he is hurt Taylor runs good...It must be the team..

[Dat Moss]

Hes an animal, hes running behind a very average run blocking line ( you might call the right side below average) and the giants always seem to have his number. I say this week he will come out and show the Beast again

[21forlyfe]

is CP a beast?..no he is a ALL PRO RB

[redskin faithful]

Still a beast! Just another slow start. We'll see him back to form next week.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Game to Game fans will change opinion once Zorn is fired and Mike Shanny is the coach....or IF Zorn aka coach Kline grows a pair CP will be in the top 5 rushers in the NFL

is he a Beast?HELL YEAH!!How can the 4th leading rusher in the nfl, with the worst offense in NFL history,and the weakest Line in the NFL be anything else but a beast? CP play against more 8in the box fronts then AP i wonder why? AP is the best RB in the NFL but sees a 8 in the box defense less than CP SMFH....its all because of Zorn


Where are the numbers to back up that Portis sees more 8 box fronts than APete? Please post a link.

Thanks.

[CG]

Offensively that's very true. That is why I'd like to see Davis, Mason, Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell all get some reps as the season goes on. We may have a changing-of-the-guard on this team over the next 2-3 seasons. Really, we only need to address RB, but we may have gotten old at that position pretty quickly.


Agh, OL maybe? We need depth at tackle and replacements for Rabach and Thomas ASAP. We need another franchise LT too, but Samuels can probably hold up for at least another year or two. We'll see how far he can make it down the stretch.

[Iced Coffee]

LMFAO:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:A Peterson would have been the biggest bust in DC
First of all he wouldnt have started with Gibbs in his rookie season,then after he went through 300 carries on this team in the NFC east he would be done... Some people still dont know their own team...lmfao our team is not made for a back like AP..we are too conservative and too sorry.I bet you wonder why people like ARE,come here an dont look the same as they did with there other teams....Lets take a player like Andre Johnson maybe the best WR in the NFl or you can give us Larry Fitz...they wouldn't produce like they do on their current teams...It is the Redskins...there is no doubt that AP is the best in the NFL..but look at his team when he is hurt Taylor runs good...It must be the team..

how the heck would adrian be a bust in d.c.?:doh:

he may have gotten off to a slower start. but he is a stud, and if a coach would blackball a player of his caliber they would/should be immediately fired. he would flourish imo and we could have traded portis or gone to a two back system.

[Botched]

Not as good as he was in his early years, but yes! He is still a beast. I thought he looked good out there on Sunday against a great D line. He will have several 100+ yard games this year and easily cross 1,000 yards.

[21forlyfe]

how the heck would adrian be a bust in d.c.?:doh:

he may have gotten off to a slower start. but he is a stud, and if a coach would blackball a player of his caliber they would/should be immediately fired. he would flourish imo and we could have traded portis or gone to a two back system.

Logically that makes alot of sense...but are team and fans would have made AP the adverage back:mad:

Its are team!! I have NFL ticket i watch every single Minny game..to watch greatness=AP...what i have notice when watching Minny is that AP faces way less 8 in the box defenders then CP...It had me scratching my head he is the best RB on the planet and he still faces less defenders than CP? I then realize its our team and Coaching..Would AP have Dominated with Mark Brunell as his QB? Joe Gibbs pouding him can he take it?can he surrivie Fans and media redicule for every loss or poor preformance?
How would he preform against the Giants,Cowboys,Eagles twice a year in a 8 in the box defense every single snap? How well would he preform with Two straight runs up the gut every single offensive possesion for 4 straight seasons?I didnt mean to say bust ...I meant to say adverage in DC

[ttr77]

Logically that makes alot of sense...but are team and fans would have made AP the adverage back:mad:

Its are team!! I have NFL ticket i watch every single Minny game..to watch greatness=AP...what i have notice when watching Minny is that AP faces way less 8 in the box defenders then CP...It had me scratching my head he is the best RB on the planet and he still faces less defenders than CP? I then realize its our team and Coaching..Would AP have Dominated with Mark Brunell as his QB? Joe Gibbs pouding him can he take it?can he surrivie Fans and media redicule for every loss or poor preformance?
How would he preform against the Giants,Cowboys,Eagles twice a year in a 8 in the box defense every single snap? How well would he preform with Two straight runs up the gut every single offensive possesion for 4 straight seasons?I didnt mean to say bust ...I meant to say adverage in DC

Teams only put 8 in the box when they have no reason to back off. Until the Skins get a downfield passing threat, they will continue to do so.

[21forlyfe]

Where are the numbers to back up that Portis sees more 8 box fronts than APete? Please post a link.

Thanks.
Its called watching the game..:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


one team has Brett Farve at QB,the Other has Campbell

one team has nice play calling..the other has conservative play calling

Portis is the only player that other teams respect:doh:did you watch the Saints game last season? on JC TD pass to Moss the Saints had 8men in the box...on 3-and like 15..WTF basically it was like the Saints was saying Portis has a better chance at getting a 1st down then they have throwing for a first..LMFAO

in no way am i saying CP is as good or is better than AP...I am not ..Im just saying its crazy to see CP go against more defenders than the best RB on the planet...Just goes to show how other teams feel about our offense

[holmester]

LMFAO:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:A Peterson would have been a Adverage back in DC
First of all he wouldnt have started with Gibbs in his rookie season,then after he went through 300 carries on this team in the NFC east he would be done... Some people still dont know their own team...lmfao our team is not made for a back like AP..we are too conservative and too sorry.I bet you wonder why people like ARE,come here an dont look the same as they did with there other teams....Lets take a player like Andre Johnson maybe the best WR in the NFl or you can give us Larry Fitz...they wouldn't produce like they do on their current teams...It is the Redskins...there is no doubt that AP is the best in the NFL..but look at his team when he is hurt Taylor runs good...It must be the team..\

This is just an all around terrible post. AP would be a beast anywhere. Thats like saying Peyton Manning would suck for the Skins. ARE showed yesterday that he is a very productive slot receiver but, not a #2. WTF are you smoking?

Edit: By the way, for future reference its Average, not Adverage.

[CounterTrey]

I thouth CP lost weight this offseason...but he looked slow..no way is he a break away threat, he will nott ake it to the house this season.

[21forlyfe]

Teams only put 8 in the box when they have no reason to back off. Until the Skins get a downfield passing threat, they will continue to do so.
Youre right ,that was my point in this offense they only respect CP running...The same thing with our passing game..they only respect Moss and Cooley..and because of his Preseason preformance teams will respect Mitchell in the redzone..I wonder why dont Corn and Campbell try to get the ball to our young guys more...Moss and Cooley will have to face what CP faces Double teams because they are our only offensive threats:chair:

[mi6]

Clinton Portis has NEVER been a beast.

He is a god player. But, he is well past his prime. With all the hits he has endured his body is now clearly showing the effects.

Take for instance, the 34 yard scamper. If it was the old Clinton in his prime, that would be TD. He has lost more than a step and is not as physical as was in the past.

He still is a decent back, with a warrior's heart. But, his better years have passed him.

Next year, the Skins really need to clean house. They need to gracefully get rid off all the over-paid, under-acheiving vetrans ...

- Philip Daniels
- Renaldo Wynn
- Antwaan Randle El
- Ladell Betts
- Mike Sellers (We pay this guy way too much money for a play or two per game)
- Carlos Rogers (need to get a better shut down corner)
- Randy Thomas
- Mike Williams
- Rock Cartwright

---------

Time for Santana to take the slot. We need Kelly and Thomas/Mitchell to step up and take over the starting WR positions.

[tone_dubbz]

I thouth CP lost weight this offseason...but he looked slow..no way is he a break away threat, he will nott ake it to the house this season.

Only way he'll score if its 1st and goal :doh:

I really don't see him taking anything longer than 35 yards to the house. But he'll still one of the better backs in the league though.

[Da Truth]

Think he is just going thru the "wear and tear" of all that bangin week in and week out; can we activate Mason this sunday and deactivate Rock? sheeeesh

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Take for instance, the 34 yard scamper. If it was the old Clinton in his prime, that would be TD. He has lost more than a step and is not as physical as was in the past.

Not. That run wasn't anything different than anything else he's done the other five years he's been here. He's never broken away and run past people since he's been in DC.


That being said, he looked fat and slow to me Sunday. But I'll withhold judgment for now.

[InsaneBoost]

I think he's still a beast to an extent, obviously rushing so many years is starting to take a toll on him, but I think he still has a couple good years left in him.

[21forlyfe]

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This is just an all around terrible post. AP would be a beast anywhere. Thats like saying Peyton Manning would suck for the Skins. ARE showed yesterday that he is a very productive slot receiver but, not a #2. WTF are you smoking?

Edit: By the way, for future reference its Average, not Adverage.


:laugh::laugh::laugh: Learn about your football team then learn about football then we will rap peace

[21forlyfe]

Not. That run wasn't anything different than anything else he's done the other five years he's been here. He's never broken away and run past people since he's been in DC.


That being said, he looked fat and slow to me Sunday. But I'll withhold judgment for now.
WTF his first run in DC was a 62 yrd TD:chair:

[holmester]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Learn about your football team then learn about football then we will rap peace

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[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

WTF his first run in DC was a 62 yrd TD:chair:

And then what?

[Stadium-Armory]

He needs to 'face it out' when he hits the hole.

[braindx]

We need more pitch plays to him.

He's WAAAAAAAAY better off tackle when he can get going downhill, and when they hand it off to him and he's running sideways it's always a busted for like -2 to 2 yards. Pitch to Portis going outside so he can start going downhill and we're likely see much better plays...

[21forlyfe]

\

This is just an all around terrible post. WTF are you smoking?

Edit: By the way, for future reference its Average, not Adverage.


Last time i seen a post like this was when i said Jay Cutler would start the season with 3 int's in his debut..i was wrong he threw 4...or the time i made Alexander is no CP post...Explaning to fans the Sean Alexander is overatted....he got cut two years late:chair:. fans were saying stuff like 1800 yrds,20+td's you must be smoking.....:laugh::laugh:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Next year, the Skins really need to clean house. They need to gracefully get rid off all the over-paid, under-acheiving vetrans ...

- Philip Daniels
- Renaldo Wynn
- Antwaan Randle El
- Ladell Betts
- Mike Sellers (We pay this guy way too much money for a play or two per game)
- Carlos Rogers (need to get a better shut down corner)
- Randy Thomas
- Mike Williams
- Rock Cartwright

---------

Time for Santana to take the slot. We need Kelly and Thomas/Mitchell to step up and take over the starting WR positions.

I agree with this mindset (not every single player you mentioned). I think that if we experience an uncapped year, we have to rid ourselves of the salaries and aging players we've been saddled with for years.

I'd try to keep Rogers and don't really mind if we keep Rock and Williams (since they can be cut at any time given their contracts). I would also cut Portis since it will be the last chance in a while to shed his contract.

I really think we should explore the following "base" package on offense:

WR: Kelly
WR: Thomas or Mitchell
Slot: Moss
TE: Cooley

You can add Davis or a RB and I think you have a bunch of mismatches that a defense would be hard-pressed to cover for 4 quarters.

I think we need to creative and play to the strengths of this team.

[21forlyfe]

And then what?
35 Cowboys td run he was the first back to go over 100yrds agianst the Boys in back to back years ,ST louis Sweep TD,Eagles td,the list can go on ,but he has to be a top 5 back in the NFL to go over 1500+yrds without having a run for more than 35 yds in a single season:laugh:but we all know that there is no way that could happen:doh:

[McD5]

LMFAO:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:A Peterson would have been a Adverage back in DC


:hysterical: Congratulations! Easily the worst post of the day.

AD would be incredible here, or on any team.

Yes, the Skins suck ass.

But AD....like Larry Johnson did with KC, would still be the best in the league anywhere he went.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

35 Cowboys td run he was the first back to go over 100yrds agianst the Boys in back to back years ,ST louis Sweep TD,Eagles td,the list can go on ,but he has to be a top 5 back in the NFL to go over 1500+yrds without having a run for more than 35 yds in a single season:laugh:but we all know that there is no way that could happen:doh:

You're seriously trying to argue that Portis has been breaking off long runs since he's been here? Other than his FIRST carry as a Skin, his longest run here has been 47 yards. The last three years his longest runs have been 38, 32, and 31 yards. Only one of which went for a TD (the 38 yarder.)

I like Portis, I think he's the best Skins RB ever, but he hasn't been a game breaking back since he's been here. He was that in Denver but Gibbs asked him to do something else and he's done that.

So the idea that his 34 yard run on Sunday shows he's falling off is stupid.

[SkinsFanMania]

True, he is still a beased and has a couple very good years left in him. Including 2009.

[SoCalSkins]

CP is a beast and barring injury will cointinue to be one for several years. I would take hiom over anyone in the NFL today and any back the Redskins have had the past 25 years.

[McD5]

CP is a beast and barring injury will cointinue to be one for several years. I would take hiom over anyone in the NFL today and any back the Redskins have had the past 25 years.

I can think of 10-15 I would take first.

He is good....but he is certainly no AD. There wasn't a single day in his prime where he even began to approach AD.

Edit: Make that 15-25 ahead of Portis.

[holmester]

CP is a beast and barring injury will cointinue to be one for several years. I would take hiom over anyone in the NFL today and any back the Redskins have had the past 25 years.

Most delusional post of the day, maybe month.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I can think of 10-15 I would take first.

He is good....but he is certainly no AD. There wasn't a single day in his prime where he even began to approach AD.

Edit: Make that 15-25 ahead of Portis.

Peterson
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Turner
Forte
Steven Jackson
Frank Gore

And the maybes include RB's like Brandon Jacobs, Westbrook, Deangello Williams. I could see 10.

[Fat Stupid Loser]

Wait until this Sunday. You'll think he's still a beast.

Yeah, the Rams will restore faith that the Skins have a good offense. Clinton will get 100+ yards and Campbell will have one of his 4 good games a year and briefly lose that look he always has on his face, kind of like he just had a prostate check that gave him a concussion. Sadly it will be a mirage.

[texasthunder]

Not. That run wasn't anything different than anything else he's done the other five years he's been here. He's never broken away and run past people since he's been in DC.


That being said, he looked fat and slow to me Sunday. But I'll withhold judgment for now.


I have to agree with this second part. He just did not seem to have the burst. Maybe its early in the year, but he reminded me of a Franco Harris running style.
I do think CP has something left in the tank, and he will give us a few 100 yard games, but they will be with 17-20 carries.
Which is why I still think we need that change of pace back, bringing in Betts is just a waste. Now I do think Betts is ok, but to me when you bring in another back, bring in someone who can motor.

[Skinz4Life12]

CP is a beast and barring injury will cointinue to be one for several years. I would take hiom over anyone in the NFL today and any back the Redskins have had the past 25 years.

its official now. how could anyone possibly take you serious after a post like this?

[Skinz4Life12]

Most delusional post of the day, maybe month.

maybe year

[McD5]

Peterson
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Turner
Forte
Steven Jackson
Frank Gore

And the maybes include RB's like Brandon Jacobs, Westbrook, Deangello Williams. I could see 10.

All of those you listed, every fan on earth, that isn't a member of ES, would certainly agree with.

This board suffers greatly between what members think a great player is.....and what a great player really is.

And you left a ton off that list.

Slaton for starters.


And going forward, taking age and beating into consideration, there are another ten that non-ES members would prefer in terms of the future.

[Skinz4Life12]

All of those you listed, every fan on earth, that isn't a member of ES, would certainly agree with.

This board suffers greatly between what members think a great player is.....and what a great player really is.

And you left a ton off that list.

Slaton for starters.


And going forward, taking age and beating into consideration, there are another ten that non-ES members would prefer in terms of the future.

well at least we agree here

socal = :insane:

[McD5]

well at least we agree here

socal = :insane:

:hysterical: Yes. He is out to lunch on this topic. But very good on others imho.

There isn't a coach, GM, fan.....anyone on earth, that would take Portis over AD.

That is just absurd.

Welcome to es.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Slaton for starters.


And going forward, taking age and beating into consideration, there are another ten that non-ES members would prefer in terms of the future.

I want to see what Slaton does this year before I throw him on the list. He definitely has the potential though.

And I agree with that last part if we're talking long term.

[panel]

All of those you listed, every fan on earth, that isn't a member of ES, would certainly agree with.

This board suffers greatly between what members think a great player is.....and what a great player really is.

And you left a ton off that list.

Slaton for starters.


And going forward, taking age and beating into consideration, there are another ten that non-ES members would prefer in terms of the future.

Just because he was picked ahead of Portis on your fantasy draft, doesn't mean he is better than Portis. Portis will be a top 5 rusher (as he was last season) as long as he gets 250+ carries this season.

[panel]

I want to see what Slaton does this year before I throw him on the list. He definitely has the potential though.

And I agree with that last part if we're talking long term.

Why make an exception for Slaton, almost everyone else on that list has only one productive year under their belt?

[McD5]

Just because he was picked ahead of Portis on your fantasy draft, doesn't mean he is better than Portis. Portis will be a top 5 rusher (as he was last season) as long as he gets 250+ carries this season.

So if you had your choice between Portis or AD, you would actually take Portis?

And what about for the next five years?

Yeah, didn't think so.

[skinsfan4life7]

I wouldn't say that he's a beast..but he's still a very good running back. It all begins up front on line OLINE..and thats whats hurting him..they are not clearing the way. Portis's days of breaking tackles are probably behind him he needs help from blockers

[SoCalSkins]

:hysterical: Yes. He is out to lunch on this topic. But very good on others imho.

There isn't a coach, GM, fan.....anyone on earth, that would take Portis over AD.

That is just absurd.

Welcome to es.

I love the guy, I admit that some it is emotionally based, but he is a warrior. I just want to see him for 1 season as a Redskin with a decent QB. I think he breaks 2000.

[HailNatsSkinz]

I love the guy, I admit that some it is emotionally based, but he is a warrior. I just want to see him for 1 season as a Redskin with a decent QB. I think he breaks 2000.


2,000 would be hard to reach without the ability to break long runs, an ability Portis just does not have anymore. Actually, one he has not had for a while. Dude has no break away speed.

[McD5]

I love the guy, I admit that some it is emotionally based, but he is a warrior. I just want to see him for 1 season as a Redskin with a decent QB. I think he breaks 2000.

There is nothing wrong with having a favorite player.

Having said that...2000 isn't happening.

They are already taking carries away from him, and he hasn't even had a 100 yard game in his last 6.

He looks overweight too. I guess that press release from the Skins about him losing weight again was just bs.

He has been a steady RB.

But if a GM was building a team right now....no chance in hell of him going in the top 15.

[panel]

So if you had your choice between Portis or AD, you would actually take Portis?

And what about for the next five years?

Yeah, didn't think so.
Adrian Perterson is the best in the league, but:
Jones-Drew - never has broken 1000 yards rushing, (but gets lots of fantasy points!)
Chris Johnson - played one season (where he had 259 less rushing yards than Portis)
Turner - Only has had 1 good season out of 5
Forte - played only one season (where he had 249 less yards than Portis)
Steven Jackson - Only has had 1 good season out of 5
Frank Gore - Only has had 1 good season out of 4
Slaton - played only one season (where he had 205 less yards than Portis)

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Why make an exception for Slaton, almost everyone else on that list has only one productive year under their belt?

The unexpectedness of Slaton's play is what makes me have a wait and see approach with him.

[rumplestilskin]

OMG,
One game against one of the best D lines in football and CP is getting dissed. Fickle Fans go hang yourselves. Check on his "beast status" after next week and your minds will be swayed.

[McD5]

If I was a GM....putting a team together.....with a 1-5 year outlook, I would take all of these over Portis. Some may seem a little questionable to ES'ers, but in those cases, they have many more years ahead of them in the league.

If you believe Portis has lost a step already....just imagine him 12-18 months from now.

AD
Michael Turner
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Matt Forte
Steven Jackson
Brandon Jacobs
B Westbrook
D. Williams
Sproles
Run DMC
Kevin Smith
Steve Slaton
Frank Gore


There are 14 to start off the top of my head. And that is being kind.

There are a lot of other 800-1k types that have much more upside now than Portis does. Simply because 2 years from now, they will be rushing for more than 1k. Portis might be out of the league by then.

[Spooky]

False. If we were a good organization such as the pats we would have traded him for a first or second and replace him with MM. Moss would have been traded 2 years ago.

[KingGibbs]

The one thing that does bother me about CP is that he seems to lack great vision. Rarely do you see him make a cut and run against the grain anymore. Look at how the Giants RB's were constantly finding holes and cutting back to the open lanes.

[McD5]

False. If we were a good organization such as the pats we would have traded him for a first or second and replace him with MM. Moss would have been traded 2 years ago.

Smart poster.

And good point on Moss too.

[dexter's manley]

I'll say it again:

We lack a frontline starting quarterback, a true #1 running back, and a true #1 WR. Anyone who thinks Campbell, Portis or Moss still fall into those categories (or in the case of Campbell, ever did) doesn't watch enough NFL football. Also, our O-line is average, at best. And our coaching and play-calling is highly suspect.

Other than that, our offense is in great shape ;)

[Skinz4Life12]

False. If we were a good organization such as the pats we would have traded him for a first or second and replace him with MM. Moss would have been traded 2 years ago.

False. Our front office has to sell jersey's above all else.

[hogluv4life]

TRUE. Let us not forget the 1487yds last year with a less than stellar QB. He will turn it up shortly!

[ciresolstice]

Seeing Ladanian is hard to watch...how great he was a few seasons ago. The life of a running back. 4-5 good years usually..and the wall comes. I think for CP it's still up in the air....the next few games will tell for sure, but I don't think you can say he's done or lost it after one game against a front like the Giants. His Denver days are certainly behind him, but I think he can still get it done at a high level. Everyone that cries about break away speed, a lot of starting RB's in the league don't have all worldly to the house speed.

Forte, Turner, Gore, Jackson, Jacobs, Barber..none of those guys are blazing.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

portis for the past few years has been putting up a "non portis" performance in his first week.

09: 62 yards
08: 84 yards
07: 98 yards
06: 39 yards

he really didnt break out last year until week 4. hes earned some leeway this early on in the season. if hes not producing after week 5 we should be concerned.


and i really wish we'd kept one of those change of pace guys, we still dont have one. if anyone caught the chargers game last night, a guy like sproles catching passes in the flats can be deadly on offense.

[dieselfan44]

you can definitely see a difference between him and the young guys like Peterson and McFadden...We have worn him out, but I still put him in the top tier of backs in the league...

[McD5]

portis for the past few years has been putting up a "non portis" performance in his first week.

09: 62 yards
08: 84 yards
07: 98 yards
06: 39 yards



He doesn't need preseason to get in shape.:doh:

Portis pockets straight.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

He doesn't need preseason to get in shape.:doh:

Portis pockets straight.


lol, i agree, portis is a baby about the preseason and hes not in shape yet. but ever since 06 hes been freaked out about preseason, and i dont blame him.

if he produces i dont care, and usually he does. zorn not calling the same stretch play to the same side 16 times might help us.

[gortiz]

is it me, or does CP seem to get a lot of slack on this site?

Here is what I took away from last Sunday:

CP looks fat ...i know, petty, but dude just does not have that mean/lean look anymore.

CP has lost a step, he seems anything but explosive.

CP seems incapable of breaking a BIG run ... the 34 yarder was nice, but dude, it seems we will never see a 50 yard plus game breaker run from the guy...EVER.

CP has no moves left ... he can do a cut here and there but he has little or no juke ability.

Now, the numbers are there, no doubt, so despite my observations he still produces, but man, he did not seem like the same RB.

[addicted]

False.

A good work horse: yes.
A very good blocker (when he chooses the correct option): yes.

But a breakaway runner would have scored a TD on that first run of the Giants game, and we saw what a real beast of a runner is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

agree.

[scruffylookin]

I'll say it again:

We lack a frontline starting quarterback, a true #1 running back, and a true #1 WR. Anyone who thinks Campbell, Portis or Moss still fall into those categories (or in the case of Campbell, ever did) doesn't watch enough NFL football. Also, our O-line is average, at best. And our coaching and play-calling is highly suspect.

Other than that, our offense is in great shape ;)

While I agree with you about Moss and potentially Campbell, do you care to explain a little further as to why Portis is not a "true #1 running back" in your eyes?

Do you not like his style or is it simply that you think that he has indeed "lost it".

Because I got over 9000 yards in only 7 seasons that says Clinton Portis has not ony been a "true #1 running back", but one of the elite ones at that.

As for the the orginial question, until I see evidence to the contrary (and I'll need more than one week before declaring he's done) I think Clinton is the same player he's always been with us. He's never been a breakaway runner while with us. For whatever reason, bulk, NFC defenses, age, injuries, line, 8 in the box, whatever. So him not "housing" that first run against New York means nothing. Would I prefer a back capable of taking that to the house? Sure. But that in and of itself is not enough. Otherwise Trung Canidate would still be in the league and Reggie Bush would be the NFL's best running back. I'll take Clinton's steady stream of 20 and 30 yard runs over the once in a while 70 yarder.

Having said all that, I do agree with those that say we do need to start thinking about life after Clinton. While I do think he may be able to churn out yards for another 5 or 6 years like Curtis Martin, it's very possible that he'll hit that wall too. Especially with our Oline that will need to be overhauled in the next few years.

[panel]

If I was a GM....putting a team together.....with a 1-5 year outlook, I would take all of these over Portis. Some may seem a little questionable to ES'ers, but in those cases, they have many more years ahead of them in the league.

If you believe Portis has lost a step already....just imagine him 12-18 months from now.


B Westbrook



You would start a franchise with Westbrook, who is 30 years old, 2 years older than Portis, but you wouldn't pick Portis because he is too old? That is just crazy.

[iMeast]

I think we need a pool attached to this thread. I think Clinton Portis still qualifies as a beast, he was just playing a really tough run defense.

HTTR

[Arsenic]

In order to make this judgement, at this point in the season, I'd have to see more. He did have the 1 big run to start Sundays game. However, its hard to judge any RB, playing against the Giants.

We'll see.. He's definitely our best option.

[FinalBeast]

He is still a beast.

[.THEkid.]

Im not a BIG fan of CP, but i still think he's a beast. Do i think we need a new runningback? Absolutely, but NO runningback will succeed with this team if we don't put effort to throw the ball downfield. Adrian Peterson wouldn't even be able to run with our O. Every team in the NFL knows what the redskins will lean more towards, and thats running the ball.

[dexter's manley]

While I agree with you about Moss and potentially Campbell, do you care to explain a little further as to why Portis is not a "true #1 running back" in your eyes?

Do you not like his style or is it simply that you think that he has indeed "lost it".

Because I got over 9000 yards in only 7 seasons that says Clinton Portis has not ony been a "true #1 running back", but one of the elite ones at that.

As for the the orginial question, until I see evidence to the contrary (and I'll need more than one week before declaring he's done) I think Clinton is the same player he's always been with us. He's never been a breakaway runner while with us. For whatever reason, bulk, NFC defenses, age, injuries, line, 8 in the box, whatever. So him not "housing" that first run against New York means nothing. Would I prefer a back capable of taking that to the house? Sure. But that in and of itself is not enough. Otherwise Trung Canidate would still be in the league and Reggie Bush would be the NFL's best running back. I'll take Clinton's steady stream of 20 and 30 yard runs over the once in a while 70 yarder.

Having said all that, I do agree with those that say we do need to start thinking about life after Clinton. While I do think he may be able to churn out yards for another 5 or 6 years like Curtis Martin, it's very possible that he'll hit that wall too. Especially with our Oline that will need to be overhauled in the next few years.

No doubt that CP was a true #1 RB at one point, perhaps as late as early last season. He isn't one anymore

[Jhon tEh FishERmaN]

He is absolutely still a beast.
He gets a bad rap because he is outspoken and the perception that we got the short end of the trade w/ Denver.

I love CP but I know that he is a polarizing player.

[RenegadeTK]

he's still a beast. could you imgine if he were running behind NY's oline? some of you are getting ridiculous.

[DGREENHULK]

He is like BEAST LITE....All the HYPE HALF the YARDS

[Sticksboi05]

False.

A good work horse: yes.
A very good blocker (when he chooses the correct option): yes.

But a breakaway runner would have scored a TD on that first run of the Giants game, and we saw what a real beast of a runner is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

Oh please. Jacobs isn't a beast except that he's big. There's only one beast in this league and he wears # 28 for the purple and white.

[ChillSkinzFan84]

He is still a Beast and if you dont think so you dont know football

[21forlyfe]

is it me, or does CP seem to get a lot of slack on this site?

Here is what I took away from last Sunday:

CP looks fat ...i know, petty, but dude just does not have that mean/lean look anymore.

CP has lost a step, he seems anything but explosive.

CP seems incapable of breaking a BIG run ... the 34 yarder was nice, but dude, it seems we will never see a 50 yard plus game breaker run from the guy...EVER.

CP has no moves left ... he can do a cut here and there but he has little or no juke ability.

Now, the numbers are there, no doubt, so despite my observations he still produces, but man, he did not seem like the same RB.
I agree with you ..he is not the same,but still a top 5 rb in the nfl imo

[SpringfieldSkins]

I am a CP fan. His is the only jersey that I own aside from ST.


He isn't as beast as he once was. I cringe at the thought of what he will be next season. I find it humorous when people say that he still has a good two seasons of football left. Remember the first 30 yard run he had against the Giants? That would have been a TD two or three seasons ago.

[Sandman69]

False.

A good work horse: yes.
A very good blocker (when he chooses the correct option): yes.

But a breakaway runner would have scored a TD on that first run of the Giants game, and we saw what a real beast of a runner is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.


Who was the beast on the other side?
Jacobs? 2.9 avg? Less yards on the same carries?
Bradshaw? 60 yards on 12 carries? Nothing to make the Player of the week.

Gotta keep in mind who we were playing. Giants don't typically allow big running days.

I still say CP is a beast, maybe not the same beast he was. But he is our beast, and he has my support!

[SilkyDiamonds]

Clinton Portis is Edgerrin James circa 2005

One last 1500 yd year left, a couple 1200 yd years and that's about it
(and this is my favorite player on the team, but I gotta call it how I see it)

[SKINS FAN IN H-TOWN]

Portis is a great blocker but has lost a step and is no longer a break away threat. We need an explosive back in the back field

[Smurf85]

Still a beast. No doubt. 1500 yards last season and people think he is losing it...:doh:

I know this people are stupid I mean he has only played one game.

[Jofizz]

You bammas were yapping in the same thread last year after we faced the Giants, and CP humbled all of you carrying this team on his back for 8 straight weeks.

How can you even bring this up after we face one of the elite defenses in the NFL? Lets see what you guys are saying after CP carves up the Rams this Sunday.

Some of you never fail to amaze me with your negativity around here.

[kevinklein]

False.

A good work horse: yes.
A very good blocker (when he chooses the correct option): yes.

But a breakaway runner would have scored a TD on that first run of the Giants game, and we saw what a real beast of a runner is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

What are you talking about? Didn't Jacobs only have like 50 yards, not to mention he got absolutely lit up by Fletcher.

[Santana_89]

He's still a beast.


Yep:D

[hkHog]

The thing about Clinton is he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER first and foremost. He could run a 5.5 forty time and you would still want him on the field because of his toughness and savvy. I would say he is no longer a beast, he looks SLOW out there but he still knows how to play and can contribute and bust out some nice runs. We can't ride him like we always used to but he still knows how to play the game.

[Santana_89]

You bammas were yapping in the same thread last year after we faced the Giants, and CP humbled all of you carrying this team on his back for 8 straight weeks.

How can you even bring this up after we face one of the elite defenses in the NFL? Lets see what you guys are saying after CP carves up the Rams this Sunday.

Some of you never fail to amaze me with your negativity around here.


What's clearly evident CP isn't valued on ES as much as he should be.
I'm talking about Clinton Portis #26 Redskins RB...not Clinton Portis the person.
On any other team with a strong O line on the right and left would still be a damn good player.I hope to never see the day when he does break down because baby you ain't see a pathetic offense yet.

[tchrist777]

I think when they told Portis to bulk up and lift more weight it was to prepare him for the long hall of his career. I tell you what if he rips 25 15 and 12 yard runs that adds up to 52 yards in 3 carries everyone of those runs could be a touchdown. Is he a smarter back...yes, durable...yes, well rounded, yes...i will take those over the 60 yard break away for a td that you rarely see backs do anyway

[2Rude4MyOwnGood]

There is no doubt that he has lost his break away speed, but i still want him on the field because of his blocking abilities.

[ExoDus84]

Portis can be a beast still, IMO. The problem is his conditioning and size. He seems to not be taking his offseason conditioning very seriously. I also believe he's too heavy at his current weight to have the breakaway speed and agility he had a few years ago. He has transformed himself into more of a power back, which is what he isnt. He needs to be around the 200-210 pound range, and work on his conditioning. I really believe if he drops some weight, it would vastly improve his stamina, speed, and agility, and prolong his NFL career.

[Justsomeguy]

Still a beast. No doubt. 1500 yards last season and people think he is losing it...:doh:
Exactly! People are just completely insane.

[DanDan]

He's still a great back.

I would like them to run a toss sweep with him a couple times a game and try to give him just a little room to make a play.

I think he is a better guard to tackle or off tackle back than he is trying to play tackle to tackle.

He is still quick enough to make someone pay if JC can get him the flats pass on time.

One of the best blocking back we have had. He does not make it comfortable for the all out charge by a defender.

He is worn down though but still a solid back.

Dan :helmet:

[Warhead36]

He's still a beast in the sense that he'll have games where he can single handedly carry you, but he's no where near the level of an Adrian Peterson. It's clear he's on the decline, but if we become a pass first team he should still be able to rack up yards.

[Destino]

Great vision but he's lost a lot of speed. He's close to being described as "rumbling" down the field.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

His second half last year showed us he's a serviceable back and not a beast. His legs are wearing quick. RBs only have so many good years and they're over the hill. He can only take so many carries a year and then he slows down. I still think he'll be good for 10-15 carries per game next year, but we would be damn fools next year to not address the RB position with either a solid aquisition or decent draft pick.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

You bammas were yapping in the same thread last year after we faced the Giants, and CP humbled all of you carrying this team on his back for 8 straight weeks.

How can you even bring this up after we face one of the elite defenses in the NFL? Lets see what you guys are saying after CP carves up the Rams this Sunday.


Yes, he carried this team on his back for eight weeks, but he's a running back on worn legs and did very little the last eight weeks. He could be a beast again this year for 7-8 games, but then he'll once again slow down as the season wears on. And of course I agree that he should carve up the Rams. The Rams. The Rams we're talking here. It's the Rams and it's early in the season. If we use him for 25 carries per game again watch his production fall off sharply after October. His 16 carries the other night is about what he should be getting, but we have no other back as a changeup so we'll probably just wear him down again. No one is criticizing him. It is what it is. He's older and running backs have some of the shortest careers in the NFL.

[str8jacket]

he is still a beast. I think injuries have taken a bit of a toll as far as his ability to break the big runs. But he still is a force to be reckoned with and the best we got.

[DCMONEY]

I predicted amongst my friends that Clinton will be the next fall guy next summer that everyone attacks. Past honorees are

Dan Wilkinson, Brian Mitchell, Champ Bailey, Lavar Arrington, Jason Campbell and next in line Clinton Portis.

Its ashame too. The front office is the real blame for this team's current state but they don't get enough heat thrown at them. One of these days they'll get some folk in here that believe in building a team from the inside out. Thats when the Skins will be competitive year in and year out. Portis since the middle of last season has been running into a brick wall. This O-line simply can't impose its will on good teams. They can't just line up and say we're gonna run even though the other team knows it.

B-more can do it, The Giants can do it, The Titans can do it. I don't buy that crap about teams stacking the line. So what? Stacking the line only works if you guess right. If you run blitz up the wrong hole guess what? There's no one there at the next level.

[Boss_Hogg]

yes, CP is our man

[panel]

I predicted amongst my friends that Clinton will be the next fall guy next summer that everyone attacks. Past honorees are

Dan Wilkinson, Brian Mitchell, Champ Bailey, Lavar Arrington, Jason Campbell and next in line Clinton Portis.


Don't forget Chris Samuals, even though he stayed with the team, there was a time when everyone was calling for him to be traded or cut.

[OVCChairman]

I watched Portis this weekend and it was evident he still has the heart, along with the physical power to back it. Pretty much every play he's falling forward and gaining that additional 2 yards. That might not seem like much, but over the course of the game.. with 20 carries... if he does that every time, that's an extra 40 yards! The guy has the game. He might not be the back he was 4 years ago.... but i dont think that throttle is geared back hardly at all

[SirClintonPortis]

The run blocking is much more atrocious than the pass blocking and has been since preseason.

[Fan035]

Judging from last Sunday's game, no. Talk to me again after this Sunday's performance.

[Hemlock]

Total beast. I don't think overall he is one bit less productive. He may be the best blocking, hardest hitting back in the league too.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

How are we viewing Portis' contribution so far everyone?!

[jockey]

Nope...he ain't no BEAST. Hasn't been for a few years now. He is clearly overrated at this point.

I just cringe EVERY time he is handed the ball. It's either 2 yards then falls down or he coughs the ball up.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

whats crazy, is that even though most would agree hes not looking very good, hes 7th in the league right now in overall rushing, and has the 3rd longest run in the NFL at the moment.

hes on pace for around 1192 yards. and his attempts are way down.

[21forlyfe]

whats crazy, is that even though most would agree hes not looking very good, hes 7th in the league right now in overall rushing, and has the 3rd longest run in the NFL at the moment.

hes on pace for around 1192 yards. and his attempts are way down.
Ditto...IN a few weeks CP will Have ES back on his nutts where they belong:D

[BAFGA]

If you take away the two long runs of 78 yds in week 6, and 34 yards in week 1, Portis only has 335 yards on 104 carries. That is a 3.22 yds per game average. Guys like Matt Forte, Joseph Addai, and Chris Brown have those averages right now.

Portis has 17 carries of zero or negative yards so far this season.

Stats don't lie.

[ajlaird82]

No beast!!!! Trade his but for Ian Johnson

[danbee]

False, Clinton Tourtise is done. The film don't lie even when the has blocked well he just doesn't have the wheels to get it done.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

If you take away the two long runs of 78 yds in week 6, and 34 yards in week 1, Portis only has 335 yards on 104 carries. That is a 3.22 yds per game average. Guys like Matt Forte, Joseph Addai, and Chris Brown have those averages right now.

Portis has 17 carries of zero or negative yards so far this season.

Stats don't lie.

you cant just deduct good runs and say "see, the rest are bad!". hes had two awesome runs that have factored into our "offensive production".

if you take away maurice jones drews two longest runs (61 yards and 36 yards) he has 106 carries for 366 yards, 3.45 per carry. has he lost a step? i think not.

[hobie-k]

The beast has left him.

[BAFGA]

you cant just deduct good runs and say "see, the rest are bad!". hes had two awesome runs that have factored into our "offensive production".

if you take away maurice jones drews two longest runs (61 yards and 36 yards) he has 106 carries for 366 yards, 3.45 per carry. has he lost a step? i think not.

That's a good point.

I was just trying to show that there have been a lot of rushes for zero or negative yards. Now that could be on the line, I don't know.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

That's a good point.

I was just trying to show that there have been a lot of rushes for zero or negative yards. Now that could be on the line, I don't know.


oh dont get me wrong, portis is not the portis of old. however, hes still (somehow) producing despite what our perceptions of him are. hes still most likely gonna go for 1200 yards and 7 TDs. hes not adrian peterson or chris johnson, but the guy can still run.

my only point with the big runs is a lot of guys have 1 big run a game that amps up their numbers, and its just part of the game. you cant discard that number and look at the rest.

[ajlaird82]

you cant just deduct good runs and say "see, the rest are bad!". hes had two awesome runs that have factored into our "offensive production".

if you take away maurice jones drews two longest runs (61 yards and 36 yards) he has 106 carries for 366 yards, 3.45 per carry. has he lost a step? i think not.

Yea but he also can get the ball in the end zone which is more than i can say about pretty much any redskins.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Yea but he also can get the ball in the end zone which is more than i can say about pretty much any redskins.


very true. hes got 8 TDs already. my fantasy team is very thankful for his contributions.

MJD is definitely better than portis is at the moment, thats no secret. but MJD isnt just running down the field all by himself. garrard is decent enough to get them into scoring range from time to time.

[redskin301]

No beast I wood trade him for a 2nd round pick and get sprolls and Leon Washington thay are free angents after this season

[21forlyfe]

If you take away the two long runs of 78 yds in week 6, and 34 yards in week 1, Portis only has 335 yards on 104 carries. That is a 3.22 yds per game average. Guys like Matt Forte, Joseph Addai, and Chris Brown have those averages right now.

Portis has 17 carries of zero or negative yards so far this season.

Stats don't lie. Contradiction! Cp is currently Ranked 7th:laugh:

Without Thomas or Samules:chair: Portis =MR consistant

[ron5668]

Nope...not since he threw that block in preseason long ago and hurt himself....that was it.

[ron5668]

Wow! Half the posters on this page, including moi, can't start a thread.....feeling like Zorn.

[Skins93077]

he should be a back up or not used as much anymore... that is why its key we go draft blount out of oregan... that would help us near and long term with the running game and hell hes strong an fast! a perfect nfc beast back like our old back we had before that idiot spurrier!!!!

[JohnnyUtah]

I think it really has more to do with our O line. Clinton still has it.

[Spooky]

No beast I wood trade him for a 2nd round pick and get sprolls and Leon Washington thay are free angents after this season


I wish we cound get a 2nd for him. He does not practice, he does not like to participate in OTA's, he does not like to play in the preseason, he does not work out with weights and he does not train in the offseason. He has gained 25 lbs but it is the wrong type of weight. I would be happy with a 4th or 5th.

[CliffBattles]

Probably less than five teams in the NFL would trade their top back for Portis.

[ibarramedia]

We should run him like Joe Gibbs did with Earnest Byner in the '91 Superbowl Season. Give the opponents a heavy dose of Clinto Portis in the first half then mid way throught he third, put in Ladell Betts and Rock Cartright to take over. Same way Ricky Ervins did.

This is the same way Norv used with Terry Allen then spelling him with Stephen Davis. And Later with Stephen Davis then spelling him with Skip Hicks. Clinton has had a hard time getting his rhythm and groove lately. A running back need his carries to get going.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Probably less than five teams in the NFL would trade their top back for Portis.


packers would take him
browns would take him
patriots would take him
chiefs would take him
raiders would take him
colts would take him
seahawks would take him
bucs would take him
saints would take him


hes lost a step, doesnt make him a scrub.

[redskin301]

Maybie it's not CPs fault he has no Oline and zorn calls the same run play to the left anny DC in the the NFL can stop our run game

[HailGreen28]

Still a beast.

Only reason CP wouldn't command a high draft pick in a trade is his years/mileage. Not his current performance.

[CliffBattles]

packers would take him
browns would take him
patriots would take him
chiefs would take him
raiders would take him
colts would take him
seahawks would take him
bucs would take him
saints would take him


hes lost a step, doesnt make him a scrub.

Not to nitpick, but do you really think the Raiders would trade McFadden for CP? Or the Colts Addai? Or the Saints Reggie Bush? Or the Bucs Cadillac?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Not to nitpick, but do you really think the Raiders would trade McFadden for CP? Or the Colts Addai? Or the Saints Reggie Bush? Or the Bucs Cadillac?


mcfadden has amounted to absolute 0 so far, he cant even stay healthy enough to play over justin fargus.

addai is not very good, even with that ridiculous passing game his YPC is pretty terrible.

reggie bush is not a RB, hes a gadget 3rd down back who can catch passes and return punts. id love to see him try and carry 300 times in a season.

cadillac is a walking injury, and hes a huge risk. i think hes currently a little quicker than CP, but that knee could go at any moment.

[SuperSix14]

I think the years of abuse are starting to take a toll on him, and it's beginning to show.

Yeah, sad to say but when he came here from denver we wrecked his running style and now I think he's on his last legs.

[Rumple_Stiltskin]

could be...doesnt have a line first off. second off his attitude towards playing well practicing is horrible! If he conditioned like he did going into last season and had a different attitude he could be a beast! Personally I think after his benching last year he refuses to play hard for Zorn! He could have easily scored a TD last week on that long carry if he cut to the inside, I just dont think he wanted to!

[Geneva]

Just an old work horse....Not quick any longer, lost a lot of speed and drive..

[santana_4_prez]

CP just had the longest run of his career last Sunday. He's still a very good back.

[Skins93077]

if thats the case and so many people want him hell trade him away for a 2nd or 3rd!!! and draft blount!!!

[CPAllTheWay012]

Play this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hWBnl6ZyiY
(start at 30 yard line)

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2QxgPoLuI
(start at 40 yard line)

play side by side and see that he hasn't lost much speed at all. it's just a matter of him getting through the holes which we hardly have any of on the offensive line.

[Capt'n Obvious]

I wouldn't necessarily say Portis is a beast anymore, he used to be, but his workload has taken its toll on him. He is still a very good running back, but when I think of beast RB's in the NFL I think of guys like Peterson, Chris Johnson (I know his team is terrible), Westbrook (when healthy), MJD, etc.

Portis is still solid at RB, but I feel like his days as a beast are behind him.

:logo:

[Skins93077]

Still if u can acquire some picks by trading him and get younger and better if you have a chance you do that... Remeber we should be rebuilding not keep onto older players. And if he's not old then sure trade him away and get some value.
Saints have 2 backs n bush isn't 1 of them.
Patriots would rip us off!
Raiders maybe if the owner can be convinced....
Packers not sure
Clevland no way there trading people away for draft picks!!! There smart!
St lou nope
Seahawks have 2 1st rounders no way there giving up that for him! If that's the case you would be a fool not to trade cp for a 1st!

[IRISHSKINSFAN]

i think the tank is starting to empty

[SkinnyZeke83]

I honestly don't think the Bucs would take him, they have William, Graham (who is very capable), Ward and Clifton Smith. If williams goes down you still have capable backs behind him. Saints don't really need him either with Bush, Thomas and Bell. Colts have addai and brown. I doubt any of those teams would trade for CP because they are all clearly in or clearly out of the playoffs. All the other teams on that list could use him though and he would be an upgrade..

As for the question at hand, CP is not a beast any more. He would definitely be a very very good back if he had an offensive line and a fb that would block worth a darn. I surely wouldn't be opposed to trading him for some picks, lord knows we need them.

[Vooskin]

I honestly don't think the Bucs would take him, they have William, Graham (who is very capable), Ward and Clifton Smith. If williams goes down you still have capable backs behind him. Saints don't really need him either with Bush, Thomas and Bell. Colts have addai and brown. I doubt any of those teams would trade for CP because they are all clearly in or clearly out of the playoffs. All the other teams on that list could use him though and he would be an upgrade..

As for the question at hand, CP is not a beast any more. He would definitely be a very very good back if he had an offensive line and a fb that would block worth a darn. I surely wouldn't be opposed to trading him for some picks, lord knows we need them.

Trading him for some picks? Why do I keep hearing people say this. He is a 28 year old running back that is way past his prime. He would not be a very very good back. The truth is any RB would be good with a good offensive line and FB. We have seen that all around the NFL. The days of Denvers dominant zoneblocking scheme. We forget that both Priest Holmes and Larry johnson for years were on the best running team in the league and considered some of the best RBs in football. Within 2 years the chiefs Oline went from being full probowlers to all but one leaving for FA or retiring. Now look at LJ?

The truly great backs can do it without an Oline. Portis can't even hit the cutback anymore without tripping over his own feet. I don't think I have seen a RB run straight into the back of his oline more and sorta stand there for a second and fall forward. Portis has been getting holes. Not as many as he used to be he isnt hitting them. I have seen numerous wide open cutbacks where instead of cutting he just runs straight behind the line for 2 yards.

With Portis salary, age, and general decline in play no team would trade anymore then a 7th for him. You can find better Runners in UFAs out of college. Portis may be tough and may be a good blocker but he is not a good runner anymore. One of the reasons our offense suffers is solely because of him.

[Fan035]

False. Although who knows what he might do if he had a strong offensive line?

[sgf21]

Clinton can't make the first guy miss anymore.

[SprintBomb]

False....to old, we should have drafted a RB 2 years ago

[JoeGibbs3.0]

He was never a beast. He is a good workhorse. A beast is a guy who breaks tackles like AP. Or someone with great field vision like Barry Sanders.

Portis is just a guy that will take the load and play hard. He has no special skills. Look at the break away run he had last week? Any elite back can make a man look silly with a blocker and a whole field inbetween the 2 guys.

Imagine Marshall Faulk geting tackled in the open field like that?

And the only retort people have is he is close to the the redskins all time rushing record. That is just because the redskins have no good back up running backs. If he was on a good team he would be a split back at best.

[HailGreen28]

He was never a beast. Sure. That's why CP holds the Skins' single season yards rushing record. ;)

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

false....I just want him to stop stumbling before he breaks Riggins record...