Hypothetical: How many of our players are worth 1st round picks?

[UK Redskins Fan]

The Patriots recently traded Seymour for a 1st round pick (admittedly in 2011) without making much of a dent in their status as preseason favourites.

That got me thinking: If Danny and Vinny were to dismantle our team and start from scratch how many of the current roster do you think could be traded for 1st round picks?

As I see it:

1 Definite: Albert Haynesworth
1 Probable: Brian Orakpo
2 Possibles: Chris Cooley, Carlos Rogers

That doesn't seem like many...am I undervaluing our players or are we not as loaded with talent as we sometimes like to think?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'd put Orakpo down as a possible and take Cooley and Rogers off the board.

[Xero21]

I think if a team would take a 30 year old Seymour for a 1st rounder, we could find a team that would take CP for one. Maybe.

And as far as evaluating talent goes, it's the Raiders. Everyone pretty much agrees that Seymour where he is now, and his age, was not worth the 1st round pick.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I think if a team would take a 30 year old Seymour for a 1st rounder, we could find a team that would take CP for one. Maybe.

And as far as evaluating talent goes, it's the Raiders. Everyone pretty much agrees that Seymour where he is now, and his age, was not worth the 1st round pick.

You answered your own scenario. Unless it's the Raiders, that ain't happening.

[Horton_Predator48]

Considering the skins just dropped 100 mil on Big Al, I think he may be worth keeping. Orakpo was the #13 pick in the draft (1st Round) and has only played one game so I think it would kind of defeat the purpose. Chris Cooley is a Pro Bowler. Why would we trade the best players on our team? Undervaluing just a little. Is this Dan Snyder?

[ZIBBY28]

The Patriots recently traded Seymour for a 1st round pick (admittedly in 2011) without making much of a dent in their status as preseason favourites.

That got me thinking: If Danny and Vinny were to dismantle our team and start from scratch how many of the current roster do you think could be traded for 1st round picks?

As I see it:

1 Definite: Albert Haynesworth
1 Probable: Brian Orakpo
2 Possibles: Chris Cooley, Carlos Rogers

That doesn't seem like many...am I undervaluing our players or are we not as loaded with talent as we sometimes like to think?
i'd put CP on and take cooley and rogers off.. probably a 2nd rounder for cooley and you'd be lucky to get a 2nd for 'los. at the same time, it would take more than just a first for al, and to trade up in the draft to 13 (which was a steal for orakpo) you would have to give up at least a 1st and 4th depending on what pick you had, so its easy to see orakpo being AT LEAST a first round pick value in a trade

[brianm23]

T2 Possibles: Chris Cooley, Carlos Rogers


Absolutely not.

[Horton_Predator48]

This is a worthless thread. We lose one damn game and the sky is falling. I can't wait to hear the predictions and ass kissing after the skins blow up the rams.

[ZIBBY28]

This is a worthless thread. We lose one damn game and the sky is falling. I can't wait to hear the predictions and ass kissing after the skins blow up the rams.
theres a big difference between someone saying hey lets trade all of our players and rebuild, and someone saying "hypothetically, how many players are worth a first round pick?" he isnt suggesting it would be in the best interest of the franchise to actually trade the players, he is saying who would be worth a first round pick.. i dont see any harm in it, and if its such a "worthless" thread, why are you reading and responding to it?

[Horton_Predator48]

theres a big difference between someone saying hey lets trade all of our players and rebuild, and someone saying "hypothetically, how many players are worth a first round pick?" he isnt suggesting it would be in the best interest of the franchise to actually trade the players, he is saying who would be worth a first round pick.. i dont see any harm in it, and if its such a "worthless" thread, why are you reading and responding to it?

I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend your sensitivities. But I think the majority of the fans would agree that wondering how many draft picks we could get for a 100 mil FA and the #13 pick in the draft after the first game is lame. Done with it.

[Laxpunk2006]

No one. I also don't think Seymour was worth anything close to that first round pick. Carlos is an amazing corner but without the ability to catch he isn't going to fetch a first rounder at his age. Our only other premier players are London Fletcher, Chris Samuels, and Haynesworth. Fletcher and Samuels are too old and Haynesworth may or may not be able to fetch a first. Not many teams have players they could trade for firsts, teams value them too highly.

[derekc4]

People they got Seymour for a second rounder. When you trade picks from the next draft, they are equivalent of that round minus one.
We traded a 2nd rounder to draft Cooley in the third round.
Falcons traded a 2nd in 2010 for Gonzalez.

Time is important for draft picks. They are like bonds which have to mature. There is nothing that Pats can do (without trading the pick) to make use of that pick next draft. The Raiders gave up a 2009 2nd.

[RiggosMohawk]

Haynesworth, Cooley & Orakpo are the only names on my list. I think Big Al and Rak are no-brainers. DL is just so highly sought after.

I throw CC on their b/c given a late 1st round pick, a team looking to maybe add the final offensive weapon, Chris is def talented and young enough to justify giving up a late 1st for.

CP is far too old, and too many teams use RBBC successfully now to even use a 1st round pick on a RB, let alone give the pick up for a vet RB. You can most likely draft a CB just as good as 'los in any given year somewhere in the mid 1st round.

[HailGreen28]

People they got Seymour for a second rounder. When you trade picks from the next draft, they are equivalent of that round minus one.
We traded a 2nd rounder to draft Cooley in the third round.
Falcons traded a 2nd in 2010 for Gonzalez.

Time is important for draft picks. They are like bonds which have to mature. There is nothing that Pats can do (without trading the pick) to make use of that pick next draft. The Raiders gave up a 2009 2nd.I hear what you're saying, and there's a place for that kind of valuation based on proximity to the present. But there's also something to be said for not going with "win now", and looking to the future. That draft pick the Pats got will drastically increase in value in a year's time, even if the Raiders start winning, which is doubtful.

[UK Redskins Fan]

I hear what you're saying, and there's a place for that kind of valuation based on proximity to the present. But there's also something to be said for not going with "win now", and looking to the future. That draft pick the Pats got will drastically increase in value in a year's time, even if the Raiders start winning, which is doubtful.

Yep, the Patriots often seem to trade for future picks...it's a good long-term strategy I think, although they will surely miss Seymour to some extent. I'd love for the Redskins to get in a position where we could save up future picks but usually we are the ones trading them away.

[Mordac]

I've got to disagree with the ppl saying we could get a first for Orakpo. He's got a lot of potential, but the 13th pick in the 2009 draft is worth a lot more before he has a name and a position. Think about it this way: who's going to give up a 1st round pick in for a guy with 0 career sacks?

Big Al is certainly talented enough for a 1st round draft pick, but in the real world, his contract complicates things. If the Redskins trade Haynesworth, his entire signing bonus accelerates into this years cap. Wasn't that like $40 million or something? Now, maybe an uncapped year makes a difference.

I love Cooley, but 6'3, pass-catching TE/H-back tweeners isn't exactly a premier position in the NFL. QB, LT, pass-rushing DE, and shutdown corner are the guys who fetch the premium picks and the big contracts (typically).

So, generally a fun topic to think about, but not particularly relevant to our current situation.

Oh, btw, its tip your hand, but thanks for the malaprop. :D

[RIPSean]

Haynesworth. Maybe Orakpo, but that'd be kinda silly. Besides that, I'm not sure anyone else would draw a first.

[helptheSKINS]

I like the idea for the thread UK. It's a good way to evaluate the top tier talent on the team. I'd say AH, Rak and Carlos. A good team in need of a corner would be lucky to have him. He has bad hands but his cover skills are very good. Considering the team trading for him would likely be a contender it would be a late 1st round pic.

[derekc4]

I hear what you're saying, and there's a place for that kind of valuation based on proximity to the present. But there's also something to be said for not going with "win now", and looking to the future. That draft pick the Pats got will drastically increase in value in a year's time, even if the Raiders start winning, which is doubtful.

Oh I understand, too. It was a great move, but to say they traded for a 1st rounder is misleading. It is a first rounder with the present value of a 2nd rounder.

[StillUnknown]

only Big Al & Orakpo

[spm]

What about Landry?

[cphil006]

Haynesworth... that's it.

The Pats get deals with trades... we get deals made ON us.

[addicted]

I disagree that we'd ever get a first rounder for Portis. Sorry but no way in hell he's worth that today. Hanyesworth is worth multiple firsts, Orakpo would get one, Chris Samuals could maybe get one on the right team, and that's about it

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

None.

Seymour was not worth a first-round pick. The Patriots were just taking advantage of a senile old man.

Seriously, if Al Davis was in my fantasy league, I would insist that all his trades need league-wide approval before going through.

[Skins PR]

People they got Seymour for a second rounder. When you trade picks from the next draft, they are equivalent of that round minus one.
We traded a 2nd rounder to draft Cooley in the third round.
Falcons traded a 2nd in 2010 for Gonzalez.

Time is important for draft picks. They are like bonds which have to mature. There is nothing that Pats can do (without trading the pick) to make use of that pick next draft. The Raiders gave up a 2009 2nd.

To me, that's retarded. I've never understood that logic. Oh, it'll never be 2011. Let's trade our 2011 first for a 2nd in 2010. That makes a lot of good sense.

[TheMarionBarberHitman]

In Madden i traded Portis (when he hit 30) to the bears for a 1st 2nd and 3rd.
and i traded samuels and dockery for a 1st and 2nd.
i had 5 first round picks that off season. i love madden franchise modes. just gives me confidence that i could be a better gm the cerrato maybe he should think about picking up a copy and trying it out

[TheMarionBarberHitman]

To me, that's retarded. I've never understood that logic. Oh, it'll never be 2011. Let's trade our 2011 first for a 2nd in 2010. That makes a lot of good sense.


exactly because the raiders will suck in 11" and the pats will lock and load up again with an aging brady its exactly what they need to keep that franchise running. Thats a Good FO up there

[CliffBattles]

Orakpo has the highest value. Period. He just WAS the #13 pick overall, and has looked worth it. Haynesworth....would depend on his contract situation. Landry needs to play a little better, but maybe. That's it. Which is sad.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

People they got Seymour for a second rounder. When you trade picks from the next draft, they are equivalent of that round minus one.
We traded a 2nd rounder to draft Cooley in the third round.
Falcons traded a 2nd in 2010 for Gonzalez.

Time is important for draft picks. They are like bonds which have to mature. There is nothing that Pats can do (without trading the pick) to make use of that pick next draft. The Raiders gave up a 2009 2nd.

Al Davis, is that you?

[HailToTheRedskins14]

exactly because the raiders will suck in 11" and the pats will lock and load up again with an aging brady its exactly what they need to keep that franchise running. Thats a Good FO up there

Patriots and Falcons right now have the two best in the league by far. It's not even fair how much better they are than everybody else.

[stevemcqueen1]

Landry too. Teams would give up a first for his potential. The Cowboys traded a 1st and 3rd for Roy Williams.