Hindsight is 20/20 but don't we sure miss Cutler? Sanchez? Even Vick?

[Ellis Dee]

Ironically for a team that is known to be interested in EVERYONE, it was more the moves we did NOT make which may hurt this team in the future?

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

We haven't had a franchise QB in almost 20 years (B. Johnson doesn't count). IMO looking back on things Cutler was probably the answer along with getting Shanahan next year. After all we love to deal with the Broncos anyways!

Discuss yet again!

[Loyal2Washington]

I don't think it's hindsight when the FO did everything they could to land Cutler and Sanchez. They knew what we had at QB, Zorn knew what we had at QB and now we play this season with what we have at QB.

[DieHard86]

This is not Campbell's fault. This is Zorn's fault.

[Darth Tater]

No. I'm glad we missed Cutler and Sanchez.

[Buford]

Ummmm, it doesn't mater who's the QB here.

Look, switch Campbell with Sanchez and because of their emotional coach and hands off ownership. We'd still be in the same situation.

If Jason leaves for another team which is solid. He'll be good there, and win a bunch of games. Maybe never be a MVP. But he's not a bad QB. We're a bad team with bad leadership.

[ntotoro]

I'm about 1000% sure we missed out on Sanchez and what he'll be capable of doing in the future. The FO did make efforts to get either of them in the offseason and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling himself. Not sure how serious they were about possibly moving to get Sanchez, but they wanted him if he fell to them.

[killerbee99]

I don't think it's hindsight when the FO did everything they could to land Cutler and Sanchez. They knew what we had at QB, Zorn knew what we had at QB and now we play this season with what we have at QB.


Yeah, appareantly JC was "impressive" yesterday with his NO TD performance according to some people it's sad really. Anyways we tried our best to get Sanchez and Cutler......JC will NOT be resigned and we draft a QB next year either Sam Bradford, COlt McCoy, Jevis Snead or Clausen the QB form Notre Dame who I think is the most pro ready of the bunch. We aint making the playoffs this year with JC just watch

[ixcuincle]

I'm not glad we missed Sanchez. He is breaking out in New York.

Cutler is a different story. Gunslinger had a great opening day game. Good job there champ

[HigSkin]

Ironically for a team that is known to be interested in EVERYONE, it was more the moves we did NOT make which may hurt this team in the future?

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

We haven't had a franchise QB in almost 20 years (B. Johnson doesn't count). IMO looking back on things Cutler was probably the answer along with getting Shanahan next year. After all we love to deal with the Broncos anyways!

Discuss yet again!

I don't see it as "hindsight" because they did try and get Cutler/Sanchez in the offseason. It just didn't work out. I'm not completely sold on Cutler and not sure he was the answer but Sanchez would have been a keeper. In hindsight we should have hired Rex Ryan.

[Ellis Dee]

I'm confused. How does everyone know we tried our best to get Sanchez and Cutler? The fact is we DON'T know. Maybe we could have offered more, maybe not but who really knows.

I DO know after this weekend its hard to argue with Cutler and Sanchez's performance knocking off the Steelers and Pats, supposedly the 2 best teams in the AFC.

[Da Truth]

And look @ what Sanchez doing..

[Loyal2Washington]

Ummmm, it doesn't mater who's the QB here.

Look, switch Campbell with Sanchez and because of their emotional coach and hands off ownership. We'd still be in the same situation.

If Jason leaves for another team which is solid. He'll be good there, and win a bunch of games. Maybe never be a MVP. But he's not a bad QB. We're a bad team with bad leadership.
So you don't think after 39 NFL starts Sanchez would be better then he is now, which by your statement is at least even to Campbell already. After his first two games I tend to disagree with you. If Campbell is so admired around the league were where the line of suitors when the Redskins where trying move him for Cutler?
The guy is only valuable to half the fan base and will be Patrick Ramsey after this season. You remember the Ramsey fans that told everyone we'd be regretting his release.

[Chump Bailey]

I was a believer in Sanchez from day one and I definitely think the team would be vastly better with him than without.

[Loyal2Washington]

This is not Campbell's fault. This is Zorn's fault.
His play calling does leave a little to the imagination. I believe it's both parties at this point.

[Ellis Dee]

So you don't think after 39 NFL starts Sanchez would be better then he is now, which by your statement is at least even to Campbell already. After his first two games I tend to disagree with you. If Campbell is so admired around the league were where the line of suitors when the Redskins where trying move him for Cutler?
The guy is only valuable to half the fan base and will be Patrick Ramsey after this season. You remember the Ramsey fans that told everyone we'd be regretting his release.

I'd have to agree. I assess Campbell as just not having the intangibles for being a QB in this league. He can't read defenses worth a lick and is slow to react to particular plays. Just no improvisation.

Make no mistake. ANY QB in this league can beat you if they are given time. Campbell is plagued with the same problem as other QB's with a great arm but no head (Leftwich, Ryan Leaf, Kyle Boller come to mind).

If Todd Collins had Campbell's arm strength he'd have had a great career and I firmly believe that.

[MrJL]

I have no reason to believe Zorn would call passes on those plays with a different QB

[BayouBrave86]

I'm still not sold on Sanchez. He is more of a product of his team. I am however pissed off that we missed out on Cutler. He bounced back from that terrible game against Chicago to beat the defending champs.

[Chachie]

Cutler is a different story. Gunslinger had a great opening day game. Good job there champ



Same basic stats as Campbell yesterday except for 2 TDs.

[Destino]

DREW BREES.

He was a free agent. I can't believe the best QB in the league was a free agent and the spend happy Redskins front office didn't even look his way.

[Ellis Dee]

Same basic stats as Campbell yesterday except for 2 TDs.

I love these comments. Same stats minus 2 dropped passes for TD's. Maybe Cutler had some dropped passes too? Compare the last few years numbers along with wins if you want. Campbell won't be nearing 4000 yards/season anytime soon.

[DoBe]

Why would we miss a QB that can't even play? I'm pretty sure the wildcat wouldn't work on every down.

[Ellis Dee]

Why would we miss a QB that can't even play? I'm pretty sure the wildcat wouldn't work on every down.

Because Vick is more than just a wildcat QB? What makes you say that?

[BlackBush]

Sanchez or Cutler improve our "money" sweep to the left?:confused:

If you want to make the point that Zorn would be more comfortable with one of them and willing to let the guy throw the ball regardless of field position, then that might be a valid point. But still thats a bit of speculation.;)

[Ellis Dee]

You guys are comparing Campbell's performance yesterday but looking long-term this team would be better off with Cutler or Sanchez.

Hasselback put up 28 points on this Rams team. ALL the blame can't go to Zorn's playcalling for only scoring 9 points. I really think its a combination of 2. He just never takes a shot down the field. You can't tell me every play has nobody running a post or fly? There are opportunities to go down field but the QB also has to take the chance!

[darrelgreenie]

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

Here we go again.

NO

I don't think Cutler or Sanchez would be doing better.

Heck, Cutler isn't doing better right now he cost his team their 1st game.

And if we had Culter or Sanchez we probably wouldn't have Orakpo and we be on the hook to those guys for a grip of money.

The only move i wish we made was a move we never even considered.

Hiring people form the Broncos offensive coaching staff like:

Jeremy Bates, Rick Dennison their OC or their WR Coach




Re: Hindsight is 20/20 but don't we sure miss Cutler? Sanchez? Even Vick?


Now, i would love to have Vick as our 3rd QB maybe he could help score in the RZ?

[ALLWORLD]

No. I'm glad we missed Cutler and Sanchez.


wow.

[ALLWORLD]

Same basic stats as Campbell yesterday except for 2 TDs.

and umm... versus the STEELERS, not the RAMS.

[Ellis Dee]

Here we go again.


The only move i wish we made was a move we never even considered.

Hiring people form the Broncos offensive coaching staff like:



You sure about this? You're happy with this team exactly the way it is?

1. Shouldn't we have gone after O-Line depth? Especially after the age of our Line (See Randy Thomas)
2. Should we have re-signed Deangelo Hall for as much as we did?

This team needs a complete overhaul starting with a new GM and owner. However, Danny Boy isn't going anywhere as is Cerrato really. Coach and QB are the next 2 pieces to go.

[DoBe]

Because Vick is more than just a wildcat QB? What makes you say that?

He is? Could have sworn he is a "watching from the comfort of home" QB right now.

[yellow41]

Snyder will regret having carelessly traded away the picks he could have used to move up and draft Sanchez. That guy will be a star.

[ntotoro]

DREW BREES.

He was a free agent. I can't believe the best QB in the league was a free agent and the spend happy Redskins front office didn't even look his way.

Brees was also coming off shoulder surgery at the time. Yeah, it smarts like hell in hindsight, but a lot of teams passed on him and you have to keep the time frame and its perspective in-mind.

[darrelgreenie]

You sure about this? You're happy with this team exactly the way it is?

1. Shouldn't we have gone after O-Line depth? Especially after the age of our Line (See Randy Thomas)
2. Should we have re-signed Deangelo Hall for as much as we did?

This team needs a complete overhaul starting with a new GM and owner. However, Danny Boy isn't going anywhere as is Cerrato really. Coach and QB are the next 2 pieces to go.

No i'm not happy with this team exactly the way it is now.

But that isn't what the OP is about.

The OP seems to think that Cutler or Sanchez would solve the teams problems or at least the passing game.

Maybe i shouldn't have said 'only' but i think that an experienced playcaller/coach would help the passing game more then Cutler or Sanchez would.



The only move i wish we made was a move we never even considered.



Hiring people form the Broncos offensive coaching staff like:



Jeremy Bates, Rick Dennison their OC or their WR Coach



About the OL i think they have improved and they are already playing better then last year.
I think that we are moving in the right direction with the infusion of youth with Rhinehart, Montgomery, Ed Williams.
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=292276
I think we are good at scouting OL although we don't always keep them
Andrew Crummey is on a team somewhere and Kyle Devan is starting for the Dolphins.

But, i wish we would have drafted a stud to plug in somewhere in the starting line-up for this year and gone after Jason Brown at C instead of Dockery at G.

I don't think we should have resigned Hall for as much as we did but their was word that he had received offers from other teams and we needed a corner because the oft injured Springs was released.

I hope you aren't giving up on Hall already?
I think he's gonna bounce back.
I actually think his struggles in the past games are good for him, keep him humble and keep him working.
The dude is only 25 and was a 2 time pro-bowler 2 games doesn't make a season.

As much as dislike Synder he is the owner.

I think Cerrato is a good GM (scouting) and has only really been acting in that capacity since last year.

Imo Cerrato only problem is Synder.

Zorn deserves some lee-way because he has alot on his plate, way more then most 1st time coaches. (Creating and installing a new playbook, coaching the OC and the other offensive coaches, coaching the QB and calling plays)

^^This is why i think the biggest single gain could have been hiring a coach with some experience in the WCO as an offensive assistant, passing game coordinator, or as an 'offensive consultant' like Keith Gilbertson was to Holmgren in Seattle.
post about coaches:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6047978&postcount=60

Jason Campbell is fine, anyone that looks at the team and singles Jason out as the problem imo doesn't know football.

HTTR!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

that TD sanchez threw to keller was sick. floated to the back of the endzone over two linebackers. for a rookie hes looking pretty good. much better than stafford at the moment.

[The Rook]

Wow, I have a feeling of deja :pooh:.








:helmet: The Rook

[skinsdude]

I have no reason to believe Zorn would call passes on those plays with a different QB

Why do you think that Zorn is so reluctant to call passing plays now? Do you think that maybe it's because he has no confidence in his quarterback? If Sanchez were here, and playing like he is today, do you think that Zorn would be more likely to call more passing plays. I know that I would.

[Vicious]

Ironically for a team that is known to be interested in EVERYONE, it was more the moves we did NOT make which may hurt this team in the future?

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

We haven't had a franchise QB in almost 20 years (B. Johnson doesn't count). IMO looking back on things Cutler was probably the answer along with getting Shanahan next year. After all we love to deal with the Broncos anyways!

Discuss yet again!

You're off base. May I suggest watching the Redskin game before you post. That might help you out a bit. If it doesn't, go watch Soccer, it's much simpler. You will be able to get a better grasp of it than Football, which is too complex for you.

[NewCliche21]

Why do you think that Zorn is so reluctant to call passing plays now? Do you think that maybe it's because he has no confidence in his quarterback? If Sanchez were here, and playing like he is today, do you think that Zorn would be more likely to call more passing plays. I know that I would.

No? Campbell only showed that he could do it against the Giants in a two-minute drill, he led the team up and down the field against the Rams, and he hit two receivers in the hands in the end zone.

So, no, I don't think that Zorn has any confidence in HIMSELF, which he shouldn't.

Just bow out, Zorn.

[Busch1724]

Can't be serious about Vick...he'll be a gadget play quarterback until he can regain some semblence of accuracy as a thrower.

[[[ghost]]]

The only benefit of having had Cutler or Sanchez at the helm is that they would have been allowed to pass the ball inside the 20.

Although with our receivers, they would have dropped the ball anyways. Or fumbled it.

Let Campbell throw.


Why do you think that Zorn is so reluctant to call passing plays now? Do you think that maybe it's because he has no confidence in his quarterback? If Sanchez were here, and playing like he is today, do you think that Zorn would be more likely to call more passing plays. I know that I would.

You couldn't be more right. Zorn simply refuses to let Campbell throw.

The problem is... when he has let Campbell throw, he's done it fairly well. He had a good day against the Giants and the Rams. It just seems that once we get inside the Red Zone, Portis is our QB, as well as Hunter Smith, although he's more of a scrambling QB than anything.

Campbell is the reason we were in position to score those 3 field goals. If we would allow him to play, we may score a TD or two, considering he's the only offensive player responsible for a touchdown.

[Chicken Fried]

There's no doubt we regret it. Cutler and sanchez are stars. Campbell is a good game manager.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

In hindsight we should have hired Rex Ryan.


MAJOR COSIGN........

I said it once and I'll say it again, I hate the fact that we signed a coach with such limit coaching experience. I know no one wanted to coach here and I havent completely given up on Zorn, but I wish we wouldve gotten a coach with experience as a HC or coordinator.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

the worst part is you know dan is watching sanchez with a rookie HC just shaking his head. hes gotta be livid every time he sees that mark sanchez pretty boy smile after the jets score or win.

[thedevilhimself]

No i'm not happy with this team exactly the way it is now.

But that isn't what the OP is about.

The OP seems to think that Cutler or Sanchez would solve the teams problems or at least the passing game.

Maybe i shouldn't have said 'only' but i think that an experienced playcaller/coach would help the passing game more then Cutler or Sanchez would.


About the OL i think they have improved and they are already playing better then last year.
I think that we are moving in the right direction with the infusion of youth with Rhinehart, Montgomery, Ed Williams.
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=292276
I think we are good at scouting OL although we don't always keep them
Andrew Crummey is on a team somewhere and Kyle Devan is starting for the Dolphins.

But, i wish we would have drafted a stud to plug in somewhere in the starting line-up for this year and gone after Jason Brown at C instead of Dockery at G.

I don't think we should have resigned Hall for as much as we did but their was word that he had received offers from other teams and we needed a corner because the oft injured Springs was released.

I hope you aren't giving up on Hall already?
I think he's gonna bounce back.
I actually think his struggles in the past games are good for him, keep him humble and keep him working.
The dude is only 25 and was a 2 time pro-bowler 2 games doesn't make a season.

As much as dislike Synder he is the owner.

I think Cerrato is a good GM (scouting) and has only really been acting in that capacity since last year.

Imo Cerrato only problem is Synder.

Zorn deserves some lee-way because he has alot on his plate, way more then most 1st time coaches. (Creating and installing a new playbook, coaching the OC and the other offensive coaches, coaching the QB and calling plays)

^^This is why i think the biggest single gain could have been hiring a coach with some experience in the WCO as an offensive assistant, passing game coordinator, or as an 'offensive consultant' like Keith Gilbertson was to Holmgren in Seattle.
post about coaches:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6047978&postcount=60

Jason Campbell is fine, anyone that looks at the team and singles Jason out as the problem imo doesn't know football.

HTTR!

I tend to agree with you DG, I think there are some problems with the team . I am not sure Snyder is one . I think Snyder gets a lot o bad press which unfortunately nothing short of a superbowl run will undo ... Brian Bidwell anyone ?

IMO the problem is Zorn, not in his coaching or development but in the fact he is trying to do so much . I think he should step away and tell Stump Mitchell or Joe Bugel that he wants them to call the plays . Just even for portions of the game, because it would then let him take a step back and see the whole game .

One thing that really concerns me is his argument for the four running plays at the end of the game . I can understand his logic in that he wanted to run the clock out but equally you could have run almost the same amount of time off the clock and tried at least 1 toss into the End Zone . You can still play 4 downs they just don't all have to be the same play .

Zorn needs to stop reading paper and go back to enjoying what he enjoys. There may be internal pressure but I say F that .. what is the worst thing that will happen . Snyder is going to can your ass . Big Woop not exactly a career stain . He has to stop worrying about failure and go out and enjoy the games .

Going back to the OP point though . I am glad we don't have Cutler, the price was WAY too high for him and he has looked good and terrible in the first two games . A win over PIT or NE may not be that uncommon this year .

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Hasselback put up 28 points on this Rams team. ALL the blame can't go to Zorn's playcalling for only scoring 9 points. I really think its a combination of 2.

I think it's a combination of Zorn, JC and the fact that we have absolutely NO running game at all.

[Vicious]

Really, what did JC do in the red zone other than throw touchdown passes that were dropped and get a bogus call by the refs?

[stevemcqueen1]

Jay Cutler hasn't been all that great this season. It's more of the same with him, one good game, one awful. That sounds like 8-8 football to me. I thought trading for him at the time would be a disaster and I still think it would have been.

On the other hand I really like Mark Sanchez as a prospect and I would have been happy drafting him because I thought he was a better total package even than Matt Ryan coming out of college. And I think he was a better prospect overall than any of the three big QBs (Snead, Bradford, Clausen) from this upcoming class. BUT did I think he was worth the price we would have had to pay to get him?

Let's speculate on what we might have had to give up for him. First off, it's a given that Campbell would have been a casualty of drafting him. Second, you can take away Orakpo for sure. On that alone I would not make the trade because I think Campbell has been playing pretty well and losing Orakpo would have been a tremendous longterm blow to our team.

Third, we weren't going to get any backroom deals like the Jets got giving up that pupu platter to move up 12 spots in the first round. I still can't believe the Browns took that deal... but they did it because of the Mangini connection between the teams, something we lack. We would probably have had to give up our 2010 first whose value has yet to be determined. If not our first then at least our second and 2009 third. I don't know about you all, but I am super excited for the 2010 class because, from top to bottom, it's going to be the best of the decade and it is packed with potential QB, OL, and DL prospects. That 2010 pick could have huge amounts of value, and Dan and Vinny were absolutely correct in not giving it up.

Is Sanchez worth Campbell, Orakpo and a potential 10 year franchise LT like Bryan Bulaga or Charles Brown? Or perhaps we don't get a LT and get a blue chip defensive prospect, then is Sanchez worth Campbell, Orakpo, and Corey Wootton/Gerald McCoy/Derrick Morgan/Trevard Lindley/Sean Weatherspoon, etc. ?

Or even assume that Campbell walks at the end of the season and we go QB in the first round. Sanchez as a whole is a more well-rounded and consistent prospect than either Clausen, Bradford, or Snead--his only weakness was inexperience. But he is only a hair better prospect than any of those three guys I mentioned. In a heartbeat I would take Clausen and Orakpo over just Sanchez. If we didn't have to give up our 2010 first but our 2nd and last year's third that means no more Barnes (a promising young corner we somehow managed to steal in the 3rd) and another elite 2010 prospect because it's estimated that something like 45-50 prospects in 2010 will have a first round grade. We'll be able to get better players than were taken in the top 20 picks in 2009 picking at the top of the second round in 2010.

The value just wasn't there for us picking 13th and Mark Sanchez eventually going 5th to trade to get him. Right now, we were better off sitting tight with Campbell and taking Orakpo and seeing who we will get in 2010. I have confidence in our FO to use that pick wisely. They've done really well with the first rounders lately, and gotten good value when they've traded down.

[Iced Coffee]

i wish we got sanchez or cutler.

vick not so much

[Ellis Dee]

You're off base. May I suggest watching the Redskin game before you post. That might help you out a bit. If it doesn't, go watch Soccer, it's much simpler. You will be able to get a better grasp of it than Football, which is too complex for you.

Haha way to insult me but have no basis for your bashing? I've been watching Redskins football longer than you have and feel as though I have a pretty good grasp on this team (My opinion of course).

I see major flaws in the entire way this team is run stemming from upper management (Let's face it, we need a true GM or at least give Cerrato the GM title and hold him accountable. Antonio Pierce comes to mind who if we had paid him the $$$, we have changed future drafts to fill that need), coaching and the players.

As a short-term fix I think Zorn and Campbell will be the ones replaced. In the end you can do all the analysis you want of why this team isn't scoring points but the blame is going to go on Zorn and Campbell.

My point in this post is can you honestly say this team will be better off in the future with Cutler/Sanchez or Campbell? I just don't see the latter.

[darrelgreenie]

I tend to agree with you DG, I think there are some problems with the team . I am not sure Snyder is one . I think Snyder gets a lot o bad press which unfortunately nothing short of a superbowl run will undo

I read in a Mike Lombardi article that Synder told Cerrato to get Cutler.
I guess we'll disagree on the Synder thing.
I just think that his ideas were the driving force behind some of the teams past blunders.



IMO the problem is Zorn, not in his coaching or development but in the fact he is trying to do so much . I think he should step away and tell Stump Mitchell or Joe Bugel that he wants them to call the plays . Just even for portions of the game, because it would then let him take a step back and see the whole game.

I think Zorn has to do to much because he doesn't have enough help from the rest of the offensive brain trust because they're all as new to their jobs. (Sherman Smith/Chris Meidt)

I think that play calling is the one thing he enjoys most about being a coach and i don't think he'll give that up.

But, if he had other coaches that say the game through 'WCO' eyes like he they could offer him more perspective when it comes to gameplanning before the games and tendencies during the game.




One thing that really concerns me is his argument for the four running plays at the end of the game . I can understand his logic in that he wanted to run the clock out but equally you could have run almost the same amount of time off the clock and tried at least 1 toss into the End Zone . You can still play 4 downs they just don't all have to be the same play .

+1 My main problem with Zorn's playcalling at this juncture is lack of creativity.

And i think the lack of creativity comes from fear.
I think he's afraid to fail.
So afraid that he plays it safe.

I lived in the Atlants for awhile and as they say in the south:
"If you're scared..get a dog"
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rivmSNAMKgOzbM:http://rocketwisdom23.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/german_shepherd.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://rocketwisdom23.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/german_shepherd.jpg&imgrefurl=http://rocketwisdom23.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/ten-dog-breed/&usg=__e9-QM4dZFudv0EAmxk_TCa_cr-c=&h=570&w=450&sz=49&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=rivmSNAMKgOzbM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=106&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgerman%2Bshepherd%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1 T4ADBR_en___US329%26um%3D1)+http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iYrs99MLlgYhcM:http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Washington%2BRedskins%2Bv%2BSeattle%2BSeahawks%2Bh hfXNqlv3Wul.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Washington%2BRedskins%2Bv%2BSeattle%2BSeahawks%2Bh hfXNqlv3Wul.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/lO_MUET4Rat/Washington%2BRedskins%2Bv%2BSeattle%2BSeahawks/hhfXNqlv3Wu/Jim%2BZorn&usg=__1YbHJmBCUOT3kgr-940tweGxAjE=&h=594&w=392&sz=60&hl=en&start=31&um=1&tbnid=iYrs99MLlgYhcM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJim%2BZorn%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26rl z%3D1T4ADBR_en___US329%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18%26um% 3D1)=Confidence

J/K lol


Going back to the OP point though . I am glad we don't have Cutler, the price was WAY too high for him
+1
I actually really like Cutler's game, but i'm glad he's not here.
He had a gifted receiver corps, great offensive line great playcalling in a weak division.
And the price was too high.

Can you imagined how Zorn would've reacted during Cutler's Green Bay game?

[REDALERT]

No, what we missed out on is good coachs IMO like Rex Ryan and guys like Lovi Smith. You have guys like Lovi and Rex that can take a defense and do wonders with them.



Also, they understand that defenses wins Championships and how to pick a qualified OC to manage the offense. We are lacking in both areas when it comes to coaches.

[Heisenberg]

Campbell completes almost 70% of his passes and people on here complain about his accuracy.

The same people think Michael Vick and his 49% completion percentage would have made the Redskins a better team?

[Ellis Dee]

+1
I actually really like Cutler's game, but i'm glad he's not here.
He had a gifted receiver corps, great offensive line great playcalling in a weak division.
And the price was too high.

Can you imagined how Zorn would've reacted during Cutler's Green Bay game?

Great post. What exactly was Cutler's asking price again? Can't recall. To me Cutler is a franchise QB and he takes shots down the field (Almost to a fault). IMO he is what this team needs and Zorn would not hold back Cutler in this offense. Guys are open in the WCO and IMO, Cutler would find them.

[rayprils]

Midget boy danny will regret the rest of his life for not taking Sanchez. Two games in and he is 1000 times better than the loser we have....like I've been saying for three years and going on that JC is slow, dumb and a loser....period.

[polywog999]

We tried our best to get Cutler and then Sanchez. Vick we strait up did not want and rightfully so.

[myzhi]

Sanchez is proving what some analysts were saying in that "He would have been #1 overall pick in 2010." Jets getting him at #5 in 2009 was great deal.

At the end of the day, if you have a chance to get what you feel is a future franchise QB, you need to do whatever it takes and pull the string. We should have done it with Sanchez. Instead, we'll be around 8-8 again, outside top 10 and having same issue of trying to move up into top 5 to get Bradford or Snead.

[Botched]

I think Sanchez has done well so far for a rookie, too early to tell how how he'll end up though. Right now he seems to be in that rookie game manager mode where they limit his attempts and let the defense do most of the work. Kinda like Baltimore did with Flacco last year. He has thrown some pretty balls and I like the way he gets so excited when they make a big play. It will be interesting to see his attitude after a bad game.

I think the Jay Cutler we saw this week will be what we will see most of the season, with occasional glimpses of the week 1 dude. Last week he looked like he was trying to prove something, and thought he could just wing it around anywhere and his QB charisma would complete the pass for him. This week the difference was palpable. He was calm, made good reads, was patient, and made some terrific throws against a great defense. I think he just needed to get that first game out of his system.

As far as Vick. I don't care what he does, I would not want him on this team. JMO.

[redskins0756]

This is not Campbell's fault. This is Zorn's fault.

Of course it isn't. We shouldn't blame Jason Campbell we should continue treating him like he's a 5 year old child. :rolleyes:

[redskins0756]

Campbell completes almost 70% of his passes and people on here complain about his accuracy.

The same people think Michael Vick and his 49% completion percentage would have made the Redskins a better team?

And you do realize most of those are 5-7 yard dump off throws?

8-33 for 298 yds 2 TD's and 2 INT's last year when throwing for 21+ yards. That's not very accurate for someone whose strength is apparently the moderate to deep passing game.

[stevemcqueen1]

Great post. What exactly was Cutler's asking price again? Can't recall. To me Cutler is a franchise QB and he takes shots down the field (Almost to a fault). IMO he is what this team needs and Zorn would not hold back Cutler in this offense. Guys are open in the WCO and IMO, Cutler would find them.

Two firsts, a third and I think Orton.

[stevemcqueen1]

Midget boy danny will regret the rest of his life for not taking Sanchez. Two games in and he is 1000 times better than the loser we have....like I've been saying for three years and going on that JC is slow, dumb and a loser....period.

Judging from this post, you simply know nothing of football and are merely trolling.

[Sandman69]

Midget boy danny will regret the rest of his life for not taking Sanchez. Two games in and he is 1000 times better than the loser we have....like I've been saying for three years and going on that JC is slow, dumb and a loser....period.

And another BRILLIANT "fan" speaks his mind.

[CapitalDefense]

Ironically for a team that is known to be interested in EVERYONE, it was more the moves we did NOT make which may hurt this team in the future?

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

We haven't had a franchise QB in almost 20 years (B. Johnson doesn't count). IMO looking back on things Cutler was probably the answer along with getting Shanahan next year. After all we love to deal with the Broncos anyways!

Discuss yet again!

Read the sig....

[CapitalDefense]

We tried our best to get Cutler and then Sanchez. Vick we strait up did not want and rightfully so.


Forget Vick for a minute. Not they didn't try there best, do any of you know how hard it is to get a franchise QB? REALLY DO YOU!!! After the Cutler and Sanchez trades I came on here and almost to the man everyone said they, meaning the Jets and Bears, got raped in the trades. Well to the ones who said that, did you enjoy your NFL draft that Saturday. Was your couch time good that day? Because every Sunday for the next 10-15 years I am going to watch Sanchez and Cutler win alot of football games. Those 2 fan bases/teams are set at QB, the hardest position in the NFL to fill. Also those 2 teams will be contenders for the next 10 years because they have FRANCHISE QB's and us, well.

I would have gave my entire 2008 draft and a 2nd and 3rd, maybe a first in the 2009 draft, that would have got it done whatever it took. Go ahead and say mortgage your future, well right now we do not have one and they do. Outside of Orakpo what else did we get? I am waiting? A mouthy inactive LB?

Danny has made the big splash every single year to get the Redskin name on the first story during Sportscenter. Well he had not one but two chances this year and absolutely blew it both times! Its not the Sportcenter story, it the fact that we still need a QB and we will not get 2 shots at it this year. Hell we may never get another shot at it, but lets keep our couch time on NFL draft Saturday.

[polywog999]

Midget boy danny will regret the rest of his life for not taking Sanchez. Two games in and he is 1000 times better than the loser we have....like I've been saying for three years and going on that JC is slow, dumb and a loser....period.
Well, that goes without... WHAT???!!!

[bobzmuda]

Cutler is still a bad idea. He threw, what, 6 or 7 interceptable passes during the first week?

He was much better in week 2, but that's his Grossman-like up and down persona.

Also, it's wayyyy too soon to make any sort of judgments about Sanchez.

[Newera]

[QUOTE=If Todd Collins had Campbell's arm strength he'd have had a great career and I firmly believe that.[/QUOTE]

Todd just needs to play. When he plays he does decently. Todd to me reminds me of Pennington. Competent.

[Madison Redskin]

It's too early to tell with Sanchez, but he looks like the real deal. As for Cutler, I wouldn't touch him with a 10,000 foot pole. The guy is a turd and an overrated QB.

PS - JC plays a very good game, yet we have yet another referendum on him? Ug. I realize the QB is the whipping boy and we'd surely go 16-0 with another guy under center, but this is getting kind of crazy.

[jkypoo]

In regards to your thread title: It's hard to miss what we never had.


Ironically for a team that is known to be interested in EVERYONE, it was more the moves we did NOT make which may hurt this team in the future?

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

We haven't had a franchise QB in almost 20 years (B. Johnson doesn't count). IMO looking back on things Cutler was probably the answer along with getting Shanahan next year. After all we love to deal with the Broncos anyways!

Discuss yet again!

The true irony is the front office getting criticized for the one move they weren't able to pull off. If we had made one of those moves, those quarterbacks would have self-destructed already and been relegated to letting the halfback throw on crucial third down redzone plays. The quarterback, no matter how gifted, is a symptom of the coaches. For the most part, Zorn seems to agree with the reads that Campbell has been making, therefore, it seems, Campbell has been coached to make those reads. Any quarterback in this system with these coaches would be in a similar position, no matter how gifted or how big of a name.

And you can't be serious about Vick. You just can't be.

And if Cutler and Shanahan are the answers, then what the hell is the question? Have you seen the stellar defenses that Shanahan put together in Denver? Me neither. And he was the one buying the groceries, correct? He couldn't win in the AFC West his last year...what makes you think he can win in the BEast next year?

[wildbill1952]

To Cutler, no. He's half the QB he was when he had a line and receivers in Denver. Here? The fans would have tarred and feathered him after 4 picks in a game. It was bad hearing him cry in Denver and worse in Chicago. It would have been intolerable here.

Vick? Great Legs, poor passer. Every Vick who ever played the game is an embarrassment to football.

Sanchez? We would have traded away two first round picks and a couple of others to have a chance to draft him, mortgaging the Skins future, again. For an unproven rookie? This, and/or the rumored Oso Stinko trade would have gutted the Redskins draft chances for 3 years. Just a bad idea. Two first round draft choices would be good for a Montana or an Elway in their prime. But not in their rookie season before their first pre-season game. Bet's too high for something that's not even close to a sure thing.

I'd stick with Campbell over any of these options two games into the season. So far, this year, Campbell has looked decent if not outright good. And definitely better than Cutler. Twice the man, at a third the price.

JMHO.

[cphil006]

He only threw for 300 yards 7 times last year and 400 yards once. The fact he did not throw for 300 every game pretty much proves his unreliability.

Campbell played great against the Rams IMO

[darrelgreenie]

Great post. What exactly was Cutler's asking price again? Can't recall. To me Cutler is a franchise QB and he takes shots down the field (Almost to a fault). IMO he is what this team needs and Zorn would not hold back Cutler in this offense. Guys are open in the WCO and IMO, Cutler would find them.

I think you're missing the point of my post.

You've seen Zorn his playcalling and paraphrasing his philosophy of 'be careful with the ball and give me the chance to call another play'

Our team has very little margin for error.

We can't throw a pick every game and win.

Imo Zorn would've probably benched Cutler before he had the chance to throw 4 picks in 1 game, that or have Cutler handing off all game.

I don't think Cutler would handle being reigned in very well.

[HailGreen28]

Trouble is, Danny would've overpaid in $ and draft picks for either Cutler or Sanchez. With his dealing history, it's like there's a "Redskin tax" anytime we make a big deal.

Sanchez is doing great, and Cutler bounced back from week one to drop 2 TDs on the STEELERS in week two.

Either one would be huge upgrades over Campbell, but we'd probably need a real GM to get such a player without giving up an arm and a leg.

[yellow41]

At the end of the day, if you have a chance to get what you feel is a future franchise QB, you need to do whatever it takes and pull the string. We should have done it with Sanchez.

I agree 100%, that guy is going to be great... but I'm not convinced that LDS and Vinny didn't try to get him. Problem is, they didn't have the ammo that the Jets had to trade up -- they gave away too many draft picks on stupid moves in the past, and in this case, it cost them.

[HailGreen28]

He only threw for 300 yards 7 times last year and 400 yards once. The fact he did not throw for 300 every game pretty much proves his unreliability.:applause:

That was a good one.

Cutler is head and shoulders above our QBs.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Without rehashing old ground, we'll live to regret McDaniels in his lunacy preferring Kyle freaking Orton over our own starter for many years to come IMHO. :mad:

Hail.

[communion5]

nope, try again, i like my team.

[Pimpey42000]

The infatuation with this idea of Franchise QB is beginning to become dumb. I acknowledge that you can't win without a consistent QB, but honestly you can't be effective on the field unless both parties are doing their part not to mention the whole offense, but that comes to the head coach to ensure. I still think we beat Detroit this week and all the detractors will SHHHH! HTTR!

[Voice_of_Reason]

Yeah, appareantly JC was "impressive" yesterday with his NO TD performance according to some people it's sad really. Anyways we tried our best to get Sanchez and Cutler......JC will NOT be resigned and we draft a QB next year either Sam Bradford, COlt McCoy, Jevis Snead or Clausen the QB form Notre Dame who I think is the most pro ready of the bunch. We aint making the playoffs this year with JC just watch

Apparently you missed the 2 drops in the end zone. Quesion: if the passes had been thrown by Sanchez, Culter, or any other QB, and had hit the reciever in the hands, would there be a better chance of them getting caught?

Just curious how a QB forces a reciever to catch the ball if the ball hits them in the hands.

I'm not a JC apologist or anything. I don't think he's very accurate in general, and certainly not on deep throws. But you can't quibble with the 2 throws into the end zone to Thomas and Sellers. No QB could have thrown them better. And they were dropped.

So how does JC fix that. I'd sure like to know.

[paintrain]

With our awful playcalling and dropped passes (an NFL high last year and on a similar pace this year) I don't think it matters who is at QB.

[Smurf85]

I'm not glad we missed Sanchez. He is breaking out in New York.

Cutler is a different story. Gunslinger had a great opening day game. Good job there champ

Breaking out give me a break. Sanchez is being asked to make a play here or there and he is making it. Rex Ryan knows how to coach a QB and it shows. The only deference between JC and Sanchez is the fact the Rex shows confidence in his QB. Zorn on the other hand has no balls and plays soft, because he has no confidence. If Rex Ryan was our coach this team would be 2-0 as well.

[Smurf85]

Ironically for a team that is known to be interested in EVERYONE, it was more the moves we did NOT make which may hurt this team in the future?

I'm hearing things like 'JC played respectable' and 'JC didn't make mistakes' but with either Cutler or Sanchez as our QB we would have a lot better future don't you think?

We haven't had a franchise QB in almost 20 years (B. Johnson doesn't count). IMO looking back on things Cutler was probably the answer along with getting Shanahan next year. After all we love to deal with the Broncos anyways!

Discuss yet again!

Culter sucks and turns the ball over all the time. Turn overs lose games why don't you ask Romo about that. Cutler has never been that good it's fans like you that read into the hype. To bad for us Skins fans our owner reads into the hype too. JCs passer rating last year was just as good as Culters and the completion rating was the same. The only diference is that Culters coach let him throw the ball over a 100 more times than JC. Vick on the other hand is good if you want a running back. When it comes to passing Vick sucks I mean just look at the stats. His last 3 years before he got into trouble go like this. In 2004 Vick had a 78% PR in 2005 he had a 73% PR and in 2006 he had a 75% PR. So I mean come on Vick has never been a good QB. This is you again reading into the hype.

[illone]

At this point this teams struggles go way beyond QB and coach.

This organization is rotten at the top and nothing will ever change as long as Snyder owns the Skins.

It would have been nice to talk about making the biggest TWO off-season splashes with Haynesworth AND Cutler/Sanchez but I will save my excitement for when Snyder leaves town.

[Smurf85]

At this point this teams struggles go way beyond QB and coach.

This organization is rotten at the top and nothing will ever change as long as Snyder owns the Skins.

It would have been nice to talk about making the biggest TWO off-season splashes with Haynesworth AND Cutler/Sanchez but I will save my excitement for when Snyder leaves town.

I think Snyder would be fine. He just needs to fire Vinny. That is the biggest problem with Snyder is keeping Vinny around.

[illone]

I think Snyder would be fine. He just needs to fire Vinny. That is the biggest problem with Snyder is keeping Vinny around.

What makes you think Snyder would be fine?

He is a meddling owner who only lures players here via the big payday, not to come win championships.

[Smurf85]

What makes you think Snyder would be fine?

He is a meddling owner who only lures players here via the big payday, not to come win championships.

There is nothing wrong with getting big name players. Portis, Moss, Fletcher these are some of our big name players. The only problem we have is we trade all our draft picks away, I blame that on Vinny. If Snyder woke up and got a real GM we would be fine. Snyder wants to win and will spend money to do it. There is nothing wrong with that he just needs the right bug in his ear. That will help him make good decisions. You need to learn how to build from both the draft and free agency. That and find the right coach for the job.

[.THEkid.]

Campbell is performing "ALRIGHT". All I have to say is 1st pass against the RAMs. Granted Sanchez or Cutler makes that throw for 6. I'm glad we don't have none of them ( wasn't trying to give up the farm for them). QB is not really the BIG issue. It's indeed a problem, but not the biggest. The playcalling must get better. When JC is in rythem, he is very good. Can't just call plays to where he throws ONLY on 3rd downs. We need to let him create his game.

[darklight1216]

You think you've had quarterback problems? Try going through 16 in 13 years.

[Sekhmet728]

I agree those guys have the potential to be great, but nothing I've seen from them would've justified giving Campbell AND high draft picks in a trade.

[iMeast]

Surprisingly enough I am going to come to Jason Campbell's defense. Campbell hasn't played bad football over the last two games really. The mistakes he made against the Giants i.e. not running when he had the chance and trying to force the ball downfield and not stepping up in the pocket he corrected in last weeks game. Campbell showed field awareness, great mobility, and the ability to make time for his receivers.

On another note ARE did a great job of coming back to the ball against the Rams and not giving up on routes until the whistle was blown. He is really impressing me this year in the slot.

HTTR

[illone]

There is nothing wrong with getting big name players. Portis, Moss, Fletcher these are some of our big name players. The only problem we have is we trade all our draft picks away, I blame that on Vinny. If Snyder woke up and got a real GM we would be fine. Snyder wants to win and will spend money to do it. There is nothing wrong with that he just needs the right bug in his ear. That will help him make good decisions. You need to learn how to build from both the draft and free agency. That and find the right coach for the job.


Snyder's ways have gotten the Skins nowhere.

Portis, Moss and Fletcher have brought the Skins exactly ZERO lombardi trophies so I am not so sure you want to hitch your trailer to that wagon.

Wanting to win, and actually winning are two completely different concepts that I am surprised many of you here continue to blindly, hopefully stick up for.

What have the Skins won since Snyder has been here?

[C26 Run]

Absolutely not. Just because it's two games in the year and I'm not ready to regret losing out on anyone. I think Campbell is doing a very good job. :helmet:

[ALLWORLD]

Absolutely not. Just because it's two games in the year and I'm not ready to regret losing out on anyone. I think Campbell is doing a very good job. :helmet:


Sarcasim?