Snyder's GamePlan

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

Lord I hope and pray that we turn things around, make the playoffs and go on a magical run to a championship. After all there are 14 games left and stranger things have happened.

But while hoping for the best and being optimistic is never a bad thing I am also a realist and I believe in planning for all contingencies without viewing the world through the prism of burgundy colored glasses.

We have the oldest team in the league.

We have a head coach who seems overwhelmed at times and who had never even been considered for the position of offensive co-ordinator by any other team before we hired him as head coach.

We have an Executive Vice President of Football Operations who on his best day is mediocre.

The one thing about this team win or lose that will remain constant is the owner. For better or worse Mr Snyder's going nowhere. It is to him that I humbly offer a gameplan for the future.

Mr. Snyder, If we fail to make the playoffs, accept reality and do what we should have done years ago-- REBUILD this god awful mess from the foundation.

Your Gameplan should be:

1. Fire Vinny or if you can't bare to be without your "buddy" reasign his duties to non-football related endeavors. Make him the Executive VP of hand ball or golf if you have to but GET HIS ASS OUT OF REDSKINS PARK!

2. Zorn must go. Nice guy, good man, free spirit, honest and decent fellow but he is way over his head as an offensive co-ordinator/play caller, let alone as a head coach. The experiment was a bold gamble but it's over, failed, done. End of story.

3. Now comes the most important decision you will make. The decision that will decide the course of our beloved franchise for the next decade and beyond. I want you to use that fat wallet of yours to hire the best football mind money can buy and give him Full Football Authority.

4. Then go on a cruise for 4 months and let the professional you hired do his job without interference. Let him decide who he wants to keep or fire in the front office and what players will be acquired or cut. If a player calls you to complain-- don't answer the friggin phone. The years of being chummy with certain players at the expense of the chain of command and team morale ENDS NOW!

5. STAY OUT OF DECISION MAKING-- including but not limited to who the next head coach will be.Trust the man you hired to get the job done and STAY IN THE BACKGROUND. Your primary job is to sign the checks, sit in your sky box at games, and deal with the non-football side of the business ie make tons of money. ;)

6. Most of all be patient and supportive as we go through the inevitable growing pains of rebuilding. Resist the temptation to believe we are just one big signing away from success-- we aren't now and never have been.

It will take time to build something substantial and it won't come easy, nothing of value ever does.

Hail!

[yellow41]

This is very well put and echoes a lot of what has been said by others.

Problem is, although you and others voice your arguments in a rational and well-constructed manner, there is no evidence that our beloved owner LDS has any intention of loosening his grip on the football decision-making aspect of running a football team. It is sad to think that this could go on for decades to come.

[Skinz4Life12]

his game plan should be to fire vinny, hire a real GM to make all the football decisions and stay out of anything football related.

danny needs to concentrate on selling more $10 beers and leave the football decisions to the experts he puts in place.

[ALLWORLD]

Other then the owner, Bugel and Blache are common denominators... Suspects to me, Bugel may have been good with the group he had back in the day but.. maybe it wasn't Gibbs that the game "passed by"..

Blache, dude is just a watered down Williams. Regardless of how some feel I personally think he was nothing special. Jax/NO will show no difference with him.

[Skins2Win33]

Im not trying to conspire to anything, just wondering in my head. I just have a weird sneaky feeling this is all being set up for Zorn to be our offensive cordinator next year with Shanahan as the coach. Snyder I dont know if he has a gameplan. Then again if you learn from your mistakes, thats a good thing, so who knows.

[Alvin_Walton40]

I love the idea but certain people are wired a certain way and from what I can tell, Dan ain't sitting back to no one.

We need a revolution.

[yellow41]

we need a revolution.

+1

[budski]

If Snyder is the true big redskin fan that he says he is and always was well then I have this to say. Everyone on this board has an opinion as what needs to be done with the team being the passionate fans we all are, and if he is making decisions about what needs to be done like alot of us here are well, what do you expect?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Sell the team to someone who wants to own but not run the Redskins?? Only kidding.

[202Chaz]

I think Dan Synder is a great owner and has the best intentions with the team he just doesn't poccess the greatest decision making skills he has the resouces to get things done interms of aquiring personnel he just needs that person to provide better assesments of personnel to aquire. Until then we will always be a 8-8 9-7 team

[maskedsuperstar]

Im not trying to conspire to anything, just wondering in my head. I just have a weird sneaky feeling this is all being set up for Zorn to be our offensive cordinator next year with Shanahan as the coach. Snyder I dont know if he has a gameplan. Then again if you learn from your mistakes, thats a good thing, so who knows.

Do you think if Zorn gets fired, he will be the OC? wow!

[ALLWORLD]

Do you think if Zorn gets fired, he will be the OC? wow!

Wow would be 41 years old and still lacking the ability to read and not just make up something that was said.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Wow would be 41 years old and still lacking the ability to read and not just make up something that was said.

That's essentially what the guy said...

Maybe the use of the word "fired" isn't completely accurate, but now it's semantics. I still think it's very odd that a head coach would be "demoted" to OC while a new head coach took over the team.

[maskedsuperstar]

6. Most of all be patient and supportive as we go through the inevitable growing pains of rebuilding. Resist the temptation to believe we are just one big signing away from success-- we aren't now and never have been.

It will take time to build something substantial and it won't come easy, nothing of value ever does.

Hail!

Patient and supportive? How about you? I mean, after 2 games, you want Zorn fired. You want all these changes and thats what kept the Skins where they are now.

[ALLWORLD]

That's essentially what the guy said...

Maybe the use of the word "fired" isn't completely accurate, but now it's semantics. I still think it's very odd that a head coach would be "demoted" to OC while a new head coach took over the team.

I don't see it the same way, either way the guy wants to just mock him without getting clarification. It's fair to assume a qb coach that interviewed for the mentioned position is merely waiting for it.

[ALLWORLD]

Patient and supportive? How about you? I mean, after 2 games, you want Zorn fired. You want all these changes and thats what kept the Skins where they are now.

18 games dude, 18 games and a steady decline to say it nicely.

[maskedsuperstar]

Wow would be 41 years old and still lacking the ability to read and not just make up something that was said.

Wow! yeah, maybe you need to go read it again.

[hailskins11]

I think Dan Synder is a great owner and has the best intentions with the team he just doesn't poccess the greatest decision making skills he has the resouces to get things done interms of aquiring personnel he just needs that person to provide better assesments of personnel to aquire. Until then we will always be a 8-8 9-7 team

+1

Fans just love to hate Snyder. For instance, Vinny built a horrible team with so many holes in it. Then when we start slow, this team is way to talented to struggle...off with zorn's head.

My point is there is a large consensus that will always bash Snyder.

[maskedsuperstar]

18 games dude, 18 games and a steady decline to say it nicely.

We will see. I think its too early. Zorn hasn't lost the team.

[Skins PR]

I think Dan Synder is a great owner and has the best intentions

What do you base that off of? Because he goes out and overpays for a lot of big names? You still haven't figured out that's a bad thing, have you?

[ALLWORLD]

Wow! yeah, maybe you need to go read it again.

Did he mention firing, yes or no?

[Alvin_Walton40]

I still think it's very odd that a head coach would be "demoted" to OC while a new head coach took over the team.

TD - to be fair this is the same mgt. team that hired an OC before we hired a head coach. Not that I think it is going to happen but it wouldn't be a stretch.

[Skins PR]

+1

Fans just love to hate Snyder. For instance, Vinny built a horrible team with so many holes in it. Then when we start slow, this team is way to talented to struggle...off with zorn's head.

My point is there is a large consensus that will always bash Snyder.

I hate Snyder because

1) He has transformed our team into a consistent loser
2) Turned one of the most desirable positions in football (head coach of the Washington Redskins) to one of the least desirable
3) Gouges the fans for every cent he can
4) Continues to meddle in everything
5) Has a reputation for being a jerk and an ass

[Skins PR]

I still think it's very odd that a head coach would be "demoted" to OC while a new head coach took over the team.

Didn't that happen in KC years ago? The head coach became defensive coordinator. Gunther Cunningham?

[Skinz4Life12]

We will see. I think its too early. Zorn hasn't lost the team.

i'm still willing to give him more time and make necessary adjustments

[maskedsuperstar]

Im not trying to conspire to anything, just wondering in my head. I just have a weird sneaky feeling this is all being set up for Zorn to be our offensive cordinator next year with Shanahan as the coach. Snyder I dont know if he has a gameplan. Then again if you learn from your mistakes, thats a good thing, so who knows.

Allworld, what part of this don't you understand?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

TD - to be fair this is the same mgt. team that hired an OC before we hired a head coach. Not that I think it is going to happen but it wouldn't be a stretch.

Oh, I need to clarify...

I'm not sure it wouldn't be requested, but what head coach in their right mind would agree to it? He's under contract so he gets his money either way. I don't know that any head coach would agree to take a demotion and stay with the same team.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Didn't that happen in KC years ago? The head coach became defensive coordinator. Gunther Cunningham?

Something happening once or twice in NFL history is the same as it being "very odd" don't you think?

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

Patient and supportive? How about you? I mean, after 2 games, you want Zorn fired. You want all these changes and thats what kept the Skins where they are now.

I guess I should have used larger type to emphasize the point but once more with feeling...


Mr. Snyder, If we fail to make the playoffs...

No, MaskedSuperstar, I am most certainly not calling for Zorn to be fired after 2 games.

In fact, I think it is imperative that he closes out the season even if we don't win another game. There is no benefit in Snyder firing another head coach in mid-season. If anything it would make prospective coaches even more leery of our organization.

The only scenario I offered that would result in Zorn's dismissal is one based on the premise that "we fail to make the playoffs".

Get it? Got it? Good.

[stevemcqueen1]

The irony is that you are telling Snyder to be patient and supportive after only giving Jim Zorn 18 games.

[maskedsuperstar]

I hate Snyder because

1) He has transformed our team into a consistent loser
2) Turned one of the most desirable positions in football (head coach of the Washington Redskins) to one of the least desirable
3) Gouges the fans for every cent he can
4) Continues to meddle in everything
5) Has a reputation for being a jerk and an ass

Are you serious? After the Skins last Super Bowl win, the team was going down hill. That was wayyyyyyy before Synder.
He has given every coach what they wanted. Why after every loss or the Skins didn't blow out an opponent, its Synders' fault. Its getting old.

[Chump Bailey]

IMO, a HC like Gruden or Shanahan could turn this thing around pretty quick. I think that's what we need most.

[stevemcqueen1]

I guess I should have used larger type to emphasize the point but once more with feeling...



No, MaskedSuperstar, I am most certainly not calling for Zorn to be fired after 2 games.

In fact, I think it is imperative that he closes out the season even if we don't win another game. There is no benefit in Snyder firing another head coach in mid-season. If anything it would make prospective coaches even more leery of our organization.

The only scenario I offered that would result in Zorn's dismissal is one based on the premise that "we fail to make the playoffs".

Get it? Got it? Good.

What if we miss the playoffs but go 9-7. Should Zorn be fired then?

[maskedsuperstar]

Didn't that happen in KC years ago? The head coach became defensive coordinator. Gunther Cunningham?

Wade Philips didn't get too pick his coaching staff.

[SkinsFTW]

We have a head coach who seems overwhelmed at times and who had never even been considered for the position of offensive co-ordinator by any other team before we hired him as head coach.


It's not only the coach. Nobody wanted Vinny so he worked at ESPN, nobody hired Blache as a DC so he came here as the DL coach, nobody had hired Bugel for 1/2 a decade before Gibbs wanted him back but his OL looks good I must admit. Hixon? He's developed what WR? We've used more draft picks on WR's since 2001 than the Lions did and what do we have to show for it? Williams was actually wanted by teams so we let him go.

Do we need a GM? We've needed one since Snyder fired Schottenheimer for taking away his toy after he paid him to do exactly that. It's like an addicted person who tells his wife to throw away all the alcohol and then divorces his wife so he can go on a bender. He paid a guy to take full control and then made excuses for why he needed control back after Schottenheimer had the team headed in the right direction.

That was almost 8 years ago. We've won a lot since then, lol. :chair:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

IMO, a HC like Gruden or Shanahan could turn this thing around pretty quick. I think that's what we need most.

We need that and a GM who can actually put together a long-term plan. Not someone who just grabs decent players, but without coherent planning for the future. Every guy we get is to address an IMMEDIATE issue. That's fine, but that's why we have a bunch of aging vets on the OL without too much talented depth behind them.

I would say we need a GM to run ALL football operations AND a tough head coach (preferably younger like Gruden) to commit to being here for 10 years and see us through the transition.

[maskedsuperstar]

The irony is that you are telling Snyder to be patient and supportive after only giving Jim Zorn 18 games.

Bingo!!!!!!!

[Hunter44]

Im not trying to conspire to anything, just wondering in my head. I just have a weird sneaky feeling this is all being set up for Zorn to be our offensive cordinator next year with Shanahan as the coach. Snyder I dont know if he has a gameplan. Then again if you learn from your mistakes, thats a good thing, so who knows.

Why would we want Zorn as the OC?? lol He's calling crap now!! :D

[Skins PR]

Something happening once or twice in NFL history is the same as it being "very odd" don't you think?

Yeah, it's odd. I was trying to point out an interesting bit of info.

After a trip to Wiki, it turns out I was wrong. Gunther was fired as head coach and then went somewhere else before coming back to KC as defensive coordinator a year or two later.

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

The irony is that you are telling Snyder to be patient and supportive after only giving Jim Zorn 18 games.

No, the real irony is that the response I gave to another poster just above your post is the same response I have for you. :D

Once more into the breech...

http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6791237&postcount=29

Edit: For the record Zorn will have had 32 games by the end of the season not the 18he's coached through week 2.

[Skins PR]

Are you serious? After the Skins last Super Bowl win, the team was going down hill. That was wayyyyyyy before Synder.
He has given every coach what they wanted. Why after every loss or the Skins didn't blow out an opponent, its Synders' fault. Its getting old.

They were back on track before Snyder took over. They were division champions with 3 first round picks... ammo to secure the competitiveness of the franchise for years to come. He quickly dismantled that team and brought it every aging vet under the sun. Immediately creating a horrible culture that has haunted us throughout his tenure.

He gives every coach exactly what they want because he hires weak coaches who will not complain when he keeps his little fingers in everything. If there was a strong coach here who wanted a knowledgable GM to handle football operations, he would not be getting exactly what he wants.

You know what's getting old? LOSING!

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

What if we miss the playoffs but go 9-7. Should Zorn be fired then?

Actually that's a very good question.

I'd have to think about it but if that were to happen then I would probably lean towards giving Zorn another year.

You see I am not so bull headed that I can't be flexible when faced with maleable circumstances. ;)

[HailToTheRedskins14]

6. Most of all be patient and supportive as we go through the inevitable growing pains of rebuilding. Resist the temptation to believe we are just one big signing away from success-- we aren't now and never have been.

It will take time to build something substantial and it won't come easy, nothing of value ever does.

Hail!



Irony.

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

Irony.

Indeed it is. :D

[Skins2Win33]

Why would we want Zorn as the OC?? lol He's calling crap now!! :D

I have a feeling his playcalling will improve as the season goes on. I just think with Shanahan as the coach, he can help Zorn more with playcalling, since hes all about the WC offense. Who knows what may happen, thats just the fun part of being a Skin's fan. We never really know what happens till it does. Now if we had T.O. twittering then that would be different, LOL.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

No, the real irony is that the response I gave to another poster just above your post is the same response I have for you. :D

Once more into the breech...

http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6791237&postcount=29

Edit: For the record Zorn will have had 32 games by the end of the season not the 18he's coached through week 2.


Still, you're wanting Snyder to be patient but don't want to be patient yourself. How much is patient for you? 2 years? What is the cutoff?

I said when Zorn was hired that we should give him at least 3 years, maybe 4. No doubt it has been frustrating and I do not think he is the guy, but don't preach patience if you aren't willing to accept it.

If he hires a new head coach who does the exact same thing for two years, then what? Fire him and "be patient" with another new head coach? Sounds like patience to you means be patient while we win a Superbowl in year 1.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

They were back on track before Snyder took over. They were division champions with 3 first round picks... ammo to secure the competitiveness of the franchise for years to come. He quickly dismantled that team and brought it every aging vet under the sun. Immediately creating a horrible culture that has haunted us throughout his tenure.

He gives every coach exactly what they want because he hires weak coaches who will not complain when he keeps his little fingers in everything. If there was a strong coach here who wanted a knowledgable GM to handle football operations, he would not be getting exactly what he wants.

You know what's getting old? LOSING!

Not only did they have 3 first round picks...but they had an extra 3rd from the Ricky Williams trade (I think).

They should have been stocked up for a decade after that trade and by just enhancing the 1999 team.

[Skins PR]

Still, you're wanting Snyder to be patient but don't want to be patient yourself. How much is patient for you? 2 years? What is the cutoff?

Speaking just for myself, I could be patient if I knew we were trying to rebuild the right way. I have lost patience with the current state of the organization.

[Chump Bailey]

We need that and a GM who can actually put together a long-term plan.

I would like that also, but the chances of Dan jettisoning Vinny are very remote so I don't even it mention it anymore. My biggest gripe with VC was the Hall contract. Didn't think he was worth it then and so far my feelings have only been reinforced. It was not a good move IMO, but his attitude seems right - course that could just be the 40 plus million guaranteed money he has pocketed between us and Oakland the past couple of years though :D

[Skins PR]

I would like that also, but the chances of Dan jettisoning Vinny are very remote so I don't even it mention it anymore.

If we lose to the Lions, the chances will increase dramatically. All that needs to happen is for this team to hit rock bottom. This area will go nuts and Snyder won't be able to take it.

It could have happened long ago but too many are resigned to failure.

[VetMinimum+Incentives]

Good post HailToTheRedskins14. I hope we can discuss this while respecting each others opinion.




...I said when Zorn was hired that we should give him at least 3 years, maybe 4.


An admirable, perhaps even noble ideal but don't you think that in the real world actions are often dictated by facts on the ground? That is the circumstances may change so significantly post-hiring that retention becomes counter-productive to the ultimate goal-- building a winning team.

I'm not saying that is necessarily the case in this circumstance, just that an etched in stone, 3-4 years before firing rule, is not practical no matter how noble the intent.



No doubt it has been frustrating and I do not think he is the guy, but don't preach patience if you aren't willing to accept it...

Therein lies the quandry. When it becomes obvious that someone is not suited for the job they have been promoted to-- when and how do you cut your losses and move on?

Taking a Godfather reference I would suggest that Zorn is simply not a wartime consiglieri.

He may be far better suited to the job he was promoted from of QB coach. He's a good one on one guy but when it comes to leading a group of men in battle and making strategic and tactical decisions with bullets flying he is at best suspect.

Despite my doubts I am willing to give him to the completion of the season to prove me wrong and quite frankly I would be elated if he succeeds.

However, I am not willing to go another year with Zorn if he confirms by his record what I believe in my gut. On this point we obviously disagree.

[pastha40]

However, I am not willing to go another year with Zorn if he confirms by his record what I believe in my gut. On this point we obviously disagree.

Therein lies the problem. Zorn got this job by default because none of the top tier coaches wanted to work for Synder. Lets say hes canned at the end of the season after only a 2 year stint; what chance does Synder have of reeling in a top tier coach? By top tier I mean one that has a proven record of success, is willing to put up with Synders meddling, and still be successful despite his meddling.

I'd say none...again. If Synder fires Zorn then we are probably going to become the next St Louis, KC, Oakland. IE not the worst team in the NFL but among the worst. We are probably headed there regardless because this team has thrown away draft picks instead of building depth.

We need to give Zorn a chance to work out his system instead of tossing him aside. Remember he was brought here to be the OC not the HC.

[maskedsuperstar]

They were back on track before Snyder took over. They were division champions with 3 first round picks... ammo to secure the competitiveness of the franchise for years to come.


The Skins won the division in 1999, the same year Synder bought the team.
2000 is when Synder went nuts in FA. 2001 Marty blew it up, correct? Yes!


He quickly dismantled that team and brought it every aging vet under the sun. Immediately creating a horrible culture that has haunted us throughout his tenure.

Marty dismantled the team. Tony Banks was the QB. Geez, what are you talking about? Marty, I thought was a good coach. He lost the team in training camp. Oklahoma drill with vets? Teaching a 20 year corner how to play the position? Come on! Marty is the only coach I know that can take a team to 14-2 and still get fired. That says a lot about Marty.


He gives every coach exactly what they want because he hires weak coaches who will not complain when he keeps his little fingers in everything. If there was a strong coach here who wanted a knowledgable GM to handle football operations, he would not be getting exactly what he wants.

You know what's getting old? LOSING!

I'm with you. I hear you. I think we need to be patient. After 2 games, Zorn is on the hot seat? I can see if he lost the team, but its the little things right now. And it can be fixed. Changing coaches will doom this team again. Constant change will kill any team. So, chill out. Sit back and have some Kool aid. Everything will be good. Trust me!!

[Skins PR]

Marty had ot dismantle the team to erase Snyder's mistakes. He had to play with Tony Banks, Michael Westbrook, and Albert Connel and he still won 8 of his last 11.

[artmonkforHOF]

great OP, agree 100% completely. Dan Snyder does not know how to put a football team together and should not even try. He knows how to make tons of money with a football team, but that is in part due to the more loyal than a puppy fan base.

This team has no direction, only playing for the next season and has no plan for the future. Below is a telling quote from yahoo sports on the Thomas injury, regarding the O line.

Thomas’ injury weakens an offensive line that was fragile from the start of training camp. Thomas already had a long history of injuries, and left tackle Chris Samuels (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5032/;_ylt=AtjyOcxeH_7tvfL3J7z4jSQdsLYF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5032/news;_ylt=Ag9Sw0zUrj3qLntFSdcvHcYdsLYF) has to rest his aching knees from time to time. None of the five backups who made the 53-man roster played a single snap in the NFL last year.

How does that even happen? You have one of the oldest O lines in the league, and we dont even have a guy ready waiting to take over? Unless you plan to be drafting in the top 10 every year, you are NOT going to find a starting LT who can step in once Samuels leaves, and even if you get luck finding a future star at G or C in the later rounds, you still will go through growing pains with those guys. And why did we cut Jon Jansen after not taking a single O lineman in the draft? I have no problem with cutting Jansen on it's own, but to not even draft a kid in the later rounds to fill his roster spot is just plain stupid. No good FA was going to come to the skins after the draft, at that time there was hardly any cap space to sign them.

Most teams look 2-3 years into the future when drafting, but the Skins seem to wait until something catastrophic happens and they have no choice but to fill an obvious hole, or even worse, draft guys a few years after a problem has been identified. Cases in point: drafting the pass catchers 2 years ago when we needed them 4 years ago, or taking Orakpo when this team has been looking for a decent pass rushing DE for the past 3 years, and dont even get me started on moving him to OLB, which only filled a hole they created by cutting MW.

If someone can explain to me how drafting a DE and then switching him to OLB helps fill the hole at DE I would love to hear it.

With all the bashing, Vinny & Co have done a few things right, but as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day, so I dont put much stock in drafting Horton late, when there are so many other glaring mistakes.

[BleedinBurgNGold]

his game plan should be to fire vinny, hire a real GM to make all the football decisions and stay out of anything football related.

danny needs to concentrate on selling more $10 beers and leave the football decisions to the experts he puts in place.
Danny needs to realize that those 10 dollar beers would be alot easier to swallow if the Redskins became a successful franchise again.

[pastha40]

With all the bashing, Vinny & Co have done a few things right, but as the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day, so I dont put much stock in drafting Horton late, when there are so many other glaring mistakes.

The offensive line is going to be a huge problem going foward, and I dont mean just this season. We have zero depth at the tackle positions and are already having trouble getting push off both sides. Samuels or Heyer goes down its gonna get real ugly quik.

[ALLWORLD]

Hey masked guy liking men in tights, whatever your name is..

He explained it wasn't what he meant (since it was obvious he DID NOT SAY IT).

Got it? K.


Now, 18 games with too much talent is plenty of time. Face it, to say our coaching is even mediocre would be a compliment. Any average or better coach could get this team damn good, damn quick.

[yellow41]

I still think it's very odd that a head coach would be "demoted" to OC while a new head coach took over the team.

I think if Zorn is fired here, he won't be asked to stick around.

[Oldfan]

VetMinimum+Incentives,

the plan you offer should prove to be popular in this forum, but I think it's a dumb plan that Snyder has already tried and it failed miserably. Dan brought HOF coach and Redskins icon Joe Gibbs back and gave him full control. Joe had the final say on everything.

Bob Kraft used your approach and struck gold with Belichick, but other owners have turned over the controls and come up empty.

In recent years, you could make a case for the hiring of Scott Pioli. We'll see how that works out, but the earliest return doesn't look promising. Pioli spent $60 mil on Cassel who could be benched for Croyle if he doesn't shape up.

[elkabong82]

what if we go 10-6 and miss the playoffs? It happened last season I believe.

Should we still rebuild then?

What if we have significant injuries, but finish 8-8 or 9-7, and look decent down the stretch?

What would a GM do that would be so radically different from what Vinny does? And if you all are convinced that Snyder is a contorl freak and wants to run everything, then what has you believing any GM he brought in wouldn't be a "lapdog" as you perceive Vinny to be?