Cooley's blog: "Its all Bull ****"

[ljs]

I didn't see this posted already, quite interesting.
http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/

Alright, I've spent the last two days listening to never ending gripe about how terrible the Washington Redskins are. Our coaching is dreadful. Zorn is on the hot seat. Our play calling is outright awful. Anyone can call better red zone plays. Our team is a bunch of overpaid bums. Getting booed by a bunch of "dim-wits." And I don't even need to mention the way fans despise our ownership. IT'S ALL BULL****.

First of all we lost to an outstanding Giants team in New York. Bummer, yes, but not the end of the world. Secondly, we actually won the Rams game. A win for us is like a Van Gogh, it doesn't matter if it's pretty, it's having it. Now, of course it's obvious that we didn't score tons of points, but by no means were we terrible. We put together five different drives of over 10 plays. It doesn't matter who your playing, that's hard as hell to do in the NFL. We work our asses off and we can play!

With that little rant over I would like to add that we're fine as a team.
click link for entire article.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Interesting. They should be able to show it against the Lions.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

The last bit is the best part ;)

[MattFancy]

I actually think its a good thing the team is on the road this week. It gives them a chance to get away from the local media and all of us fans. It seems like the booing has had an impact on the players and maybe they'll be fired up on Sunday. I really hope we come out firing on all cylinders and get the lead early. We don't want the Lions to hang around and gain confidence.

[boofMcboof]

Cooley needs to be careful.

[More Complete]

What? I thought the season was over? Doesn't he know we suck? :rolleyes:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I don't mind his sentiments, but I think athletes should just keep it to themselves and play on Sundays.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Cooley needs to be careful.I am unable to read Cooleys blog at work so what exactly does he need to be careful about?

[Skins PR]

Okay, if anyone would like to discuss Cooley's love life do it somewhere else. Don't do it here.

If anyone would like to discuss the way SkinsPR was handled, send a PM. However I suggest that before you do you'd better know what you're talking about. Because there's nothing worse than getting a PM from someone who has 1/10th of the picture and wants to talk about it. That puts me in a bad mood.

Either way, stop derailing the thread. Which is EXACTLY what SkinsPR comment did to begin with.

Consider that a final warning.

-zoony

Trolling/slanderous comments removed by ES Staff


WTF? you got proof to back up that statement?

Uh..... yeah.


Screw you Cooley. You adulturous pig. Admit that we suck and that our coach & owner are horrible.

I'm not being sarcastic.


This is not the place for unfounded slander.


This is not the place for unfounded slander.

It's not unfounded. He was married when he came here from Utah. He cheated on his wife with that cheerleader and then she left him. It's a proven fact.


Screw you Cooley. You adulturous pig. Admit that we suck and that our coach & owner are horrible.

I'm not being sarcastic.


DC is an unappealing place to play if you care about winning. If you want to get paid a ton of dough to sit on your ass and jackoff, this is the place to be.


So I decided to check out your user notes, and found that this is a habit for you. So consider this your 6th and final ban.

This isn't the place for you, and that's fine with us.

[MassSkinsFan]

I am unable to read Cooleys blog at work so what exactly does he need to be careful about?

+1 - help us please!

[ljs]

I am unable to read Cooleys blog at work so what exactly does he need to be careful about?
What I posted is the majority of the blog, and the only mention of the fan reactions. The rest of the blog is funny answers to fans questions.

I'm not sure what he needs to be careful of either.

[zoony]

Cooley needs to be careful.

careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

[yellow41]

At what point do ill feelings between players and fans impact the decision of the players to sign here or to renew their contracts? I would think that when it comes down to it, the almighty $ is the overriding factor, but for the first time I'm wondering whether all this nonsense is going to make DC a less appealing place to play.

[MattFancy]

careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

He has to say we suck. According to most here, we do!

[Saqs]

Lock this dude up as a lifetime Skin please Danny.

[ST is my boy]

I remember a similar tone from him weeks 8-16 last year. He's a great player who gives his all, but I do not get a "winning is everything" vibe from the guy.

In other words, if you gave him the choice of going 16-0 but giving up his blog, website, shows, etc. I have a feeling I know what route he would take.

You cant be serious?

[Skins PR]

At what point do ill feelings between players and fans impact the decision of the players to sign here or to renew their contracts? I would think that when it comes down to it, the almighty $ is the overriding factor, but for the first time I'm wondering whether all this nonsense is going to make DC a less appealing place to play.

DC is an unappealing place to play if you care about winning. If you want to get paid a ton of dough to sit on your ass and jackoff, this is the place to be.

[KingGibbs]

Love 47, but his talk doesn't carry over to the field in terms of the rest of the offense.

[Alvin_Walton40]

Glad he has a circle the wagons approach. But I would love some more fire. Silver linings are fine for when you miss the playoffs.

[mnb123]

Cooley is a Homer

[Skins PR]

Alright, I've spent the last two days listening to never ending gripe about how terrible the Washington Redskins are. Our coaching is dreadful. Zorn is on the hot seat. Our play calling is outright awful. Anyone can call better red zone plays. Our team is a bunch of overpaid bums. Getting booed by a bunch of "dim-wits." And I don't even need to mention the way fans despise our ownership.

Ok, I'm with you so far and agree with all that you have written.



IT'S ALL BULL****.

WHAT?!?!?!? Screw you Cooley. You should have stopped while you were ahead. We're horrible and you know it.

[andyburd]

At what point do ill feelings between players and fans impact the decision of the players to sign here or to renew their contracts? I would think that when it comes down to it, the almighty $ is the overriding factor, but for the first time I'm wondering whether all this nonsense is going to make DC a less appealing place to play.

There is nothing appealing about playing here except for the money.
The owner won't hire a GM and keep his nose out of football operations. The stadium sucks, not even in DC. And the local media here stinks also, so $$$$$ is the only reason some are lured here

[ljs]

You adulturous pig.

WTF? you got proof to back up that statement?

[yellow41]

Come to think of it, maybe the problem is that he's actually listening to what people outside the locker room think.

[BigMike21]

That's fine. I don't mind opinions as long as you aren't insulting your fan base.

[Rhodus333]

First week the one line excuse was "we only had 4 or 5 plays in the first quarter. Thats why we lost".

This weeks one line excuse that Ive heard from Zorn, Cooley, and Campbell - "There are no bad teams in the NFL, scoring touchdowns in this league is tough"

Sure its tough, but its what your paid to do. If your not able to do it, then expect fans to want someone else broght in who can do it.

I understand Cooley not liking the booing, but the fact that he's mystified by it and doesn't understand why people are upset is pretty ridiculous.

[Jeffro]

I think he is a good TE.. But I'm going to be 100% honest, I've never been a fan of his antics. I think his candor is overrated and he's stuck on himself a hell of a lot more than he should be.

They can make excuses all they want, and they can hide behind horrendous play all they want. Bottom line, they are a bad team, and have been a bad team. They don't show and intensity or heart in any game I watch.

Don’t call me a "bad" fan.. I've been a diehard Redskin fan for 30 years. I've stuck behind this team everyday, all day but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.. it's a freaking duck... calling it anything else is rose-covered glasses.

[kevinklein]

Let 'em have it Cooley. Our fans have been acting like ignoramuses, and they deserve every scolding handed out to them.

[RedlightG20]

I don't like players with all of these outlets. Blogs. Twitter. Whatever.

Fans will be fans. Media will be media. For guys who make millions of dollars playing a rough game, some of them sure do have some thin skin.

[terpfan]

I'm kinda liking the way this team feels backed into a corner. I only worry that it won't last if they start winning.

[HigSkin]

careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

I agree, at least he's showing a pulse.

Now, hope the disrepectful media, angry fans, etc. galvinizes this team with a "us against the world" attitude.

[Pedro]

Cooley needs to be careful.

All Cooley's saying is they work hard, back us.

It's his personal opinion, same as all the people who are dissing the team.

Some funny questions at the end :D

[mnb123]

Let 'em have it Cooley. Our fans have been acting like ignoramuses, and they deserve every scolding handed out to them.

Yeah, its ignorant to think that our offense, who scored less points than the 0-16 Lions last year, and looks on pace to do the same this year, is just not very good.

[haithman]

Frankly tired of the excuses and the "Yeah but we still won." Great, if you accept and live in a world of mediocrity. We should be putting up AT LEAST double digits against the rams and if we don't do so against the lions heads are gonna roll. We came into this season full of expectation and you guys have shown NOTHING so far Cooley. Less blogging more practicing so that we cant start putting up some TD's on offense.

[pastha40]

Screw you Cooley. You adulturous pig. Admit that we suck and that our coach & owner are horrible.

I'm not being sarcastic.

Lets not be unreasonble. Would you go tell your boss(es) like it is if you were in a similar situaion? I dont think so. Asking Cooley to publicly codemn management is just silly, counter productive, and wouldnt solve a thing. At the end of the day they are what they are...that hasnt changed since Synder took over this team.

[21forlyfe]

Cooley is a beast...but if he had fumbled against the Rams again he would have gotten his ASS BOOED TOO! THE Booing from the fans was classic...now Coach Corn will be forced out of his conservative ways..if he continues to do so he will get axed...Fans letting Jim Corn know that if he is planning on running on first & goal every single time..he will get BOOED!

[zoony]

I wonder what Riggo would have written in 1981 on his blog.

.......

[CPortJGibbs89]

I'm kinda liking the way this team feels backed into a corner. I only worry that it won't last if they start winning.Hell yea man maybe this will light a fire under there asses. The past few years everyone thought we would blow out ****ty teams and we never do. Well this time around no one thinks we will blow them out and alot of people think we will lose. Maybe this will grab there attention.

[Da Truth]

I can understand why HE'S heated about whats going on fortunately for him, he's 1 of the best on the team so he's good $..if he don't wanna hear all the rants and raves then tell his entire team (staff and all) to step it up and stop playing all weak

[CPortJGibbs89]

I wonder what Riggo would have written in 1981 on his blog.

.......He would probably get so **** faced at night he would write **** you wouldnt even understand! LOL.

[ntotoro]

I wonder what Riggo would have written in 1981 on his blog.

.......

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[mnb123]

It really shows the overall attitude of this team when they say they are happy with a 9-7 win over one of the worst teams in the NFL.

That attitude is the acceptance of mediocrity. It has been that way ever since I remember

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Come on guys, it's Wednesday.

We are supposed to start shaking off the frustration of this past weekend and get ready to kick the Lions' asses!

[zoony]

He would probably get so **** faced at night he would write **** you wouldnt even understand! LOL.



"**** you joe gibbs and **** you washington and **** you all you stupid fans and **** you JKC and **** you for reading this. pass me a beer, i'm retired from this stupid ****"

[Madison Redskin]

careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

Apparently, pout like a baby, blast his teammates, coaching staff, and owners or not say a word.

[ljs]

Uh..... yeah.
you're lying. Like Zoony said, don't come in here with unfounded slander, unless you are ready to back that up with proof. Til you do- I'll consider you just a hater.


I wonder what Riggo would have written in 1981 on his blog.

.......


He would probably get so **** faced at night he would write **** you wouldnt even understand! LOL.
dang, beat me too it.

[RedskinInExile]

I'm with Cooley on this one. From the reactions of the media and some on this sites like this, it's as if we're 0-8. Are things perfect? No, far from it. But we're not terrible, and we're actually in a good position to rack up a couple solid wins over the next few weeks and march into the rest of the season with a little confidence. I hope Cooley and his teammates take all of this frustration and just dismantle the Lions this weekend.

[Alvin_Walton40]

I wonder what Riggo would have written in 1981 on his blog.

.......

He would have etch a stetched a middle finger taken a polariod of it then run down to his local highschool to carbon copy said finger. All while shotgunning a beer.

[akorn22]

Cooley needs to be careful.

I agree. God fobid we lose to the lions. Then what's he gonna say. We gotta remember that they almost beat us last year. And it's not like our team is much improved from last year.

[KDawg]

You know, I agree with him.

We have some weaknesses, some of which ARE glaring... which he doesn't care to acknowledge (good team player, if you ask me) but a win is a win is a win. The bottom line is, we won. We don't know how the Rams are going to be this year yet, either.

From 20 to 20 we were great.

Let's see what happens. No need to dump on the team yet.

[GaryGreenMonk]

There's a simple solution Cooley...

give a team like the Rams or Detroit a hard core beat down... like you should if you are a "good" team...

then everyone will be like... hey.. maybe they are good and you won't have to listen to it anymore.

the last beat down handed down by this team was not measured in games.. but years ago.

[Bang]

Ah yes, lets just hate Cooley now,, after all, how dare he tell any of our loyal smart super fans to shut their insulting traps.

How wonderful for some of you to love your team so much that it now hates you.

Way to go.

~Bang

[IbleedBnG83]

I love Cooley, but he isn't looking at the big picture. This team consitantly plays to the level of the opponent, for better or worse. His entire tenure with the Redskins has been this way. A good season followed by a poor season. Each "good" season usually ends in a near playoff make or miss.

The good franchises or teams on the rise are building and getting better or sustaining. This team hasn't been in a consistant positive direction. So after an 8-8 year, coming off a playoff year, when the team is starting off slower than last year...its concerning.

Yes, its hard to have success in the NFL, but thats what they get paid a ton of money to do.

Cooley can shut up to and just keep playing. Have some accountability. Sure you're doing fine, but the team isn't. How many times is a close game going to come with a W at the end of the day? Pathetic.

[iMeast]

Screw you Cooley. You adulturous pig. Admit that we suck and that our coach & owner are horrible.

I'm not being sarcastic.

Oh boy ...

HTTR

[pez]

let 'em have it cooley. Our fans have been acting like ignoramuses, and they deserve every scolding handed out to them.

+10000

[21forlyfe]

Ah yes, lets just hate Cooley now,, after all, how dare he tell any of our loyal smart super fans to shut their insulting traps.

How wonderful for some of you to love your team so much that it now hates you.

Way to go.

~Bang
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :laugh:

[Da Truth]

hahahahahahaha

[JaimeDeCurry]

This is not the place for unfounded slander.

To be fair, its not COMPLETELY unfounded (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108750&highlight=Cooley+cheerleader). Inappropriate and uncalled for absolutely though.

Props to Cooley for sticking up for his team...now I just hope they go out there and prove it.

[Maximus71]

adulturous? What does that mean? You mean adulterous? What did he do to make him an adulterous?

[pez]

So I decided to check out your user notes, and found that this is a habit for you. So consider this your 6th and final ban.

This isn't the place for you, and that's fine with us.

At this point Zoony.... Get as liberal as you want twith that ban hammer... time to thin the herd out...

I agree that we have some issues in personnel, team performance, and playcalling.... but some of the people here are just plain ridiculous... I almost wonder if they feverishly anticipate something to go wrong so they can just spout off non-stop...

I am with cooley and portis... I don't think it will take too much to turn this team into something special.

[akorn22]

I wish cooley would just understand our frustration. I mean he gets payed millions win or lose. But we have to sit at home watching our division rivals get better and watch highlights of other teams score points. Meanwhile the leading scorers on our team are cooley, a field goal kicker and a punter.

[MattFancy]

At this point Zoony.... Get as liberal as you want twith that ban hammer... time to thin the herd out...

I agree that we have some issues in personnel, team performance, and playcalling.... but some of the people here are just plain ridiculous... I almost wonder if they feverishly anticipate something to go wrong so they can just spout off non-stop...

I am with cooley and portis... I don't think it will take too much to turn this team into something special.

I agree 100%. I wonder why some of the people on here are Redskin fans. If all you do is ***** and moan about the team, why do you still cheer for them??

Yeah we're not perfect and even I have complained about things from time-to-time. But we've played 2 games so far. We have 14 more to go. Anything can happen. We proved that last year, its a long season.

[Maximus71]

I wish cooley would just understand our frustration. I mean he gets payed millions win or lose. But we have to sit at home watching our division rivals get better and watch highlights of other teams score points. Meanwhile the leading scorers on our team are cooley, a field goal kicker and a punter.

I am sure players are frustrated as well, its just not us! Some people are making this sound like Cooley doesnt care.. He does and must! You know why? No person will work as hard as he does and expect failure! People work hard to achieve one thing, Success! This goes with sports, business and life.

[Maximus71]

I agree 100%. I wonder why some of the people on here are Redskin fans. If all you do is ***** and moan about the team, why do you still cheer for them??

Yeah we're not perfect and even I have complained about things from time-to-time. But we've played 2 games so far. We have 14 more to go. Anything can happen. We proved that last year, its a long season.

This reminds of the guy from Major League 2 (I think) they guy that keep #$#$#$ and moaning when things went wrong and only cheered when it went well lol...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Cooley's job is to play football.

My job is to hate Cooley until he scores a game-winning TD which makes me love Cooley until I hate him again.

I don't understand why fans are supposed to have some kind of code to live by. These guys are entertainers. If I went to Radio City Music Hall and the Rockettes came out, sat down, and started smoking cigarettes, I'd be pissed off.

So, when the Skins don't play well, I get pissed off.

And yes, in my mind, a Redskin and a Rockette are the same thing.

[IbleedBnG83]

Players should be more understanding. They need to look at it from a fans standpoint. We have invested time, money, heart, and soul. They are getting paid A LOT of money to PLAY this game. Sure they have some sort of vested interest in terms of pride and overall competition, but their pockets are getting fat in the process.

The owner is getting rich to but a winning product on the field. This team consistantly has the talent to be in the playoffs every year. But their performance on Sunday does not show this. Its sickening.

What Cooley needs to be saying is "Everything is not as bad as they seem. We need to score more points and that will come. We are a good team and should be playing better. We are not going to beat every team, but should be performing at a higher level. We believe in our coach and fans. I understand fans are passionate. But its early. We are 1-1. There is no reason to panic. We have time to fix things that are easily correctable. We are taking things one game at a time. This week our focus is on the Lions. The main goal is to win. In the process, we hope to improve week to week. Keep chearing us on and I promise that we will have success this year."

[elkabong82]

I wish cooley would just understand our frustration. I mean he gets payed millions win or lose. But we have to sit at home watching our division rivals get better and watch highlights of other teams score points. Meanwhile the leading scorers on our team are cooley, a field goal kicker and a punter.

What, you don't think a player hates a loss, or a close win to an opponent they should've beaten handily?

Just because they don't come out and say "we stink" doesn't mean they don't feel the need to improve. Heck, Cooley even said they need to keep getting better.

Just because a player doesn't say exactly what you want them to, doesn't mean they don't understand.

And regradless of frustrations, Cooley is right in that the reactions are extremely exaggerated right now. This team is better than many will admit right now.

[Maximus71]

And yes, in my mind, a Redskin and a Rockette are the same thing.

That is a scary picture, watching grown men dancing like the Rockette's do in those tight outfits and all...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

This reminds of the guy from Major League 2 (I think) they guy that keep #$#$#$ and moaning when things went wrong and only cheered when it went well lol...

That was Randy Quaid and that is one of the more accurate descriptions of fandom ever.

I hate my teams 99 percent of the time. I hate the fact that I spend so much time watching them and caring about them and thinking about them and really - at the end of the day - get nothing out of them.

I love watching football except when Penn State and the Redskins are playing, because those are my favorite teams. I hate football for every minute of those games. It's torture.

The Penn State-Iowa game last year was one of the more unpleasant afternoons of my life. It was like drowning slowly and knowing that you aren't going to be saved.

[haithman]

I'm with Cooley on this one. From the reactions of the media and some on this sites like this, it's as if we're 0-8. Are things perfect? No, far from it. But we're not terrible, and we're actually in a good position to rack up a couple solid wins over the next few weeks and march into the rest of the season with a little confidence. I hope Cooley and his teammates take all of this frustration and just dismantle the Lions this weekend.

You know I want to believe you, but looking at the past two games I still think we look pretty bad. There seems to be a couple instances in each of our games where you hold your head and say "omg wtf are we doing?" Its almost unbelievable at times.

I think the team could have done without raising expectations this offseason. All I kept hearing about was Campbell hitting Kelly in the red zone and how nasty our defense looked to the point that our o-line couldnt handle it. Now we get to the season and the o-line looks alright but our defense is still playing 15 yds off, our play calling in the red zone is cowardly and we aren't calling anything that shows we have any sort of confidence in our QB. I feel like all they did was blow smoke up my ass this off season and I feel kind of dumb for believing it (yet again).

So here we get to the season and our team seems to be settled with its mediocrity. I don't give a **** if we're playing the 18-0 patriots, you dont say "oh well they are one of the best teams in the league." So what? If you want to be the best you have to play the best and believe you are up to par and you dont go around acting as if its ok to lose to good teams because to me that just says "you know we arent on that level so it doesnt bother us to lose to em because we are comfortable being middlers and bottom feeders." I hate that ****ing attitude.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Cooley's job is to play football.

My job is to hate Cooley until he scores a game-winning TD which makes me love Cooley until I hate him again.

I don't understand why fans are supposed to have some kind of code to live by. These guys are entertainers. If I went to Radio City Music Hall and the Rockettes came out, sat down, and started smoking cigarettes, I'd be pissed off.

So, when the Skins don't play well, I get pissed off.

And yes, in my mind, a Redskin and a Rockette are the same thing.


its gotta be even tougher for cooley since hes one of the most consistent performers in the NFL, and hes getting lumped in for our teams overall bad offensive performance. and its not like he can come out and say "well at least im the man". so i understand his frustration.

i thought i saw phillip daniels say or "tweet" something after the game saying something along the lines of "hang in there everyone, we'll get it and we understand your frustration", which i thought sounded much more mature. the animosity of cooleys blog isnt the best way to go about it IMO.

[zoony]

Cooley's job is to play football.

My job is to hate Cooley until he scores a game-winning TD which makes me love Cooley until I hate him again.

I don't understand why fans are supposed to have some kind of code to live by. These guys are entertainers. If I went to Radio City Music Hall and the Rockettes came out, sat down, and started smoking cigarettes, I'd be pissed off.

So, when the Skins don't play well, I get pissed off.

And yes, in my mind, a Redskin and a Rockette are the same thing.


Where did Cooley say you had to live by a code?

And wtf kind of guy goes to see the Rockettes? What's wrong with you? :slap:

[Dan T.]

At this point Zoony.... Get as liberal as you want twith that ban hammer... time to thin the herd out...

I agree that we have some issues in personnel, team performance, and playcalling.... but some of the people here are just plain ridiculous... I almost wonder if they feverishly anticipate something to go wrong so they can just spout off non-stop...

I am with cooley and portis... I don't think it will take too much to turn this team into something special.


I agree 100%. I wonder why some of the people on here are Redskin fans. If all you do is ***** and moan about the team, why do you still cheer for them??

Yeah we're not perfect and even I have complained about things from time-to-time. But we've played 2 games so far. We have 14 more to go. Anything can happen. We proved that last year, its a long season.


So you advocate banning people who don't share your same rosy outlook for this team? Really?

[Sandman69]

I would love to take 19, 9 to 7 wins in a row anyday!

Some of our fans make me wonder why they **** they even consider themselves fans.

I don't know if I would have booed at the game. I know I was frustrated watching it on the tube. It wasn't a pretty win by any stretch of the imagination, but it was much better than a loss.

[Rhodus333]

I'm with Cooley on this one. From the reactions of the media and some on this sites like this, it's as if we're 0-8. Are things perfect? No, far from it. But we're not terrible, and we're actually in a good position to rack up a couple solid wins over the next few weeks and march into the rest of the season with a little confidence. I hope Cooley and his teammates take all of this frustration and just dismantle the Lions this weekend.

Fans are mad because we dont look any better or more cohesive as a team since midseason last year. Unless they show improvement each week this team easily could go 0-8. THATS whats frustrating. We get our wins and losses almost by chance and the players play like they have no control over how the game will turn out.

[brianm23]

Trolling/slanderous comments removed by ES Staff


In all fairness, if the guy got busted with cheerleaders before he was seperated, then what made the comment slanderous?

[pez]

On the lighter side, I love one of Cooley's questions/answers:

-For a million dollars would you be willing to not have sex for a year (this is with or without a partner)? (If no, how about 10 million)?

I would have to turn down a million for the no sex thing (Christy would be pissed). Offer me ten million and Fred Davis might have a new job.

[MattFancy]

So you advocate banning people who don't share your same rosy outlook for this team? Really?

Not banning them. But I don't know why people come on here and constantly bash every thing the team does. Like I said, I've had my shar of complaints, but it seems like some people love to come on here and ***** about something Snyder, Vinny, Zorn, JC, Portis, etc. said/did.

[pez]

So you advocate banning people who don't share your same rosy outlook for this team? Really?

No I advocate banning people who like to just ***** and ***** without saying anything constructive...

The whole.... "We suck" and "So and so is a loser" over and over again really gets old...

[JaimeDeCurry]

In all fairness, if the guy got busted with cheerleaders before he was seperated, then what made the comment slanderous?

Nothing...it should just be trolling, which it certainly appeared to be.

[Skinz4Life12]

no i advocate banning people who like to just ***** and ***** without saying anything constructive...

The whole.... "we suck" and "so and so is a loser" really gets old...

+1

[SkinsHokieFan]

Again, fans aren't just mad at week 1 and 2 of this season

Its the entire picture of how this team has been run for a decade.

The frustration of the fans is just starting to really come out and rear its ugly head

Thats why I say the organization has lost the fan base. We are all pissed now

[Maximus71]

That was Randy Quaid and that is one of the more accurate descriptions of fandom ever.

I hate my teams 99 percent of the time. I hate the fact that I spend so much time watching them and caring about them and thinking about them and really - at the end of the day - get nothing out of them.

I love watching football except when Penn State and the Redskins are playing, because those are my favorite teams. I hate football for every minute of those games. It's torture.

The Penn State-Iowa game last year was one of the more unpleasant afternoons of my life. It was like drowning slowly and knowing that you aren't going to be saved.

My question to you is why do you put your self through it? Love your team and support them, but to get so down about a loss will only ruin your personal life and work etc... Once Sunday has come and gone I look forward to the following week ether way. I know what you are talking about though, I have been there plenty of times.

Here is to a big win Vs. Lions :point2sky

[RiggosMohawk]

I wonder what Riggo would have written in 1981 on his blog.

.......

This is thread worthy just by itself.

Riggo, a Blackberry and Twitter would have been priceless.

[ccsl2]

Do some of you guys realize who you are criticizing for making his opinion known? Cooley! Arguably the best player on his team and one of the top 5 TEs in the NFL. His on field play speaks for itself. How he plays on the field is a testament to how hard he works. I think he has EARNED the right to voice his frustration of the perceived "Sky is falling" mentality displayed by some fans and some sporstalk media.

Most of us ask Snyder to be patient, how about us fans dial it back a notch, give the team support, and lets go beat Detroit.

HTTR!!!

[Bifflog]

Cooley's job is to play football.

My job is to hate Cooley until he scores a game-winning TD which makes me love Cooley until I hate him again.

I don't understand why fans are supposed to have some kind of code to live by. These guys are entertainers. If I went to Radio City Music Hall and the Rockettes came out, sat down, and started smoking cigarettes, I'd be pissed off.

So, when the Skins don't play well, I get pissed off.

And yes, in my mind, a Redskin and a Rockette are the same thing.

The Rockettes don't have anyone out there trying to stop them from entertaining.

Sports is entertainment, but not in the traditional sense. You're supposed to glean entertainment from watching the act of competition.

You can be ticked that the Redskins aren't playing well (I am too), but I would hope you wouldn't expect some contrived sense of entertaining to take precdence over getting the W, no matter how "ugly" it may be.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Players should be more understanding. They need to look at it from a fans standpoint. We have invested time, money, heart, and soul. They are getting paid A LOT of money to PLAY this game. Sure they have some sort of vested interest in terms of pride and overall competition, but their pockets are getting fat in the process.

The owner is getting rich to but a winning product on the field. This team consistantly has the talent to be in the playoffs every year. But their performance on Sunday does not show this. Its sickening.

What Cooley needs to be saying is "Everything is not as bad as they seem. We need to score more points and that will come. We are a good team and should be playing better. We are not going to beat every team, but should be performing at a higher level. We believe in our coach and fans. I understand fans are passionate. But its early. We are 1-1. There is no reason to panic. We have time to fix things that are easily correctable. We are taking things one game at a time. This week our focus is on the Lions. The main goal is to win. In the process, we hope to improve week to week. Keep chearing us on and I promise that we will have success this year."
It seems like that's pretty much the gist of what he, and all the other players have said. Unfortunately most of the fans don't care about that.

Also to LKB technically these guys are competitors. Their job is to win by (just about) any means necessary. That's it. The NFL's job is to help make watching these competitors do their job more fun. If we win every game 9 - 7 all the way into the Superbowl I'll take it. I'm fine with that.

I know we all want the team to look better, I was disappointed with how the team won on Sunday, because they should have won that game running away, with no issues. A few mistakes kept that from happening, but they still overcame and won the game. At the end of the day winning is all that matters in this sport. It seems like a lot of fans forgot about that.

[IbleedBnG83]

I'm not mad at any players for their reaction right now, including Henson (minus his comment about working at McDonalds as if it were demeaning or beneathe him). They are showing that they care as much as fans do. Thats what I want to see. But at the same time, they need to understand.

[Chachie]

Interesting. They should be able to show it against the Lions.



That's about the long and short of it. :applause:

[sgf21]

What, you don't think a player hates a loss, or a close win to an opponent they should've beaten handily?

Just because they don't come out and say "we stink" doesn't mean they don't feel the need to improve. Heck, Cooley even said they need to keep getting better.

Just because a player doesn't say exactly what you want them to, doesn't mean they don't understand.

And regradless of frustrations, Cooley is right in that the reactions are extremely exaggerated right now. This team is better than many will admit right now.


I don't agree with you at all. I've been getting the vibe from most of the players that they were satisfied with just beating the Rams. D. Hall is the only one who's come out and said that they played bad. Chris mentions that we did a lot of good things, being able to move the ball and not having to punt often, but our team still isn't in CONTROL of the football game.

There is a big difference between how the Giants beat us by controlling the game, and how we escaped with a win against the Rams. Remember, the Rams are a yard away from sacking our QB for a safety that would of tied the game. If Horton doesn't cause that fumble the Rams are in position to take the lead. Even at the end of the game a better throw to Avery could of won them the game.

This team isn't playing sound football, and we let them hear that during and at the end of the game.

[Dirty#30]

I don't mind his sentiments, but I think athletes should just keep it to themselves and play on Sundays.

yeah...just shut up and play....yeah while a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks, many of which if they were to honestly answer never played organized football before (....and no Madden doesn't count nor does your church league). Have them sit back and complain about something they wouldn't be able to do themselves. Yeah let's listen to that week in and week out.

Honestly, I kinda feel for these guys and those who are famous. How would you like to have someone come to your job and complain without taking into account of the measures that are taken to even perform on that level or do what ever it is you do. Not everyone can play in the NFL, that's why it's glamorized so much. There's a lot more going on behind the scenes than many of us know about. I may not agree about the exorbitant amounts of money shoveled at these guys for playing a game that was initially played just for fun at some point. At the same time I guess it's a part of what makes them special. To be able play this game better than a majority of the population, get paid well to do it and take all the crazy fan criticism. It almost doesn't seem fair but at the same time the bar is set pretty high. This team has all the talent they need. Not everyone thinks that or sees that but it's true. I believe they will get it together.

It's easy to criticize sitting in your living room with a remote in your hands. There's a reason why those who commentate football do what they do......cause they are no longer deemed capable of playing the game or no one wants them around to help with their organization. Only thing left is to critique those who are doing it. If they were truly talented in their expertise, seems to me that someone would have them as a part of their organization in some capacity. Sorry, but it's true..............

[MattFancy]

Most of us ask Snyder to be patient, how about us fans dial it back a notch, give the team support, and lets go beat Detroit.

HTTR!!!

I think thats the problem. We want Snyder to be patient, yet we demand results right away. We rag on Snyder for signing all these FAs every year, yet anytime someone gets released we see a thread pop up, "So and So released, should we???".

Yes we haven't been an elite team in awhile, but we're not as bad as people make us out to be. We're also not Super Bowl contenders every year. For the time being, we're a middle of the pack team. Yes I'd like to see it change, but we need to relax. The sky isn't falling after 2 games.

[Bzapf]

careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

Prove it. Kinda tired of the talking.

[21forlyfe]

So you advocate banning people who don't share your same rosy outlook for this team? Really?

Thats what they do....Espically if you make them look like a fool for loving a scrub...Remember i got banned for saying Warrick Holdman is a bumb,if he gotten hurt it would have been best for the team....


Just like Rak at the Sam position...It's Stupid....But for some strange reason..Lets say Rak has a good game against the sorry Lions you will see post about how Rak is better off at the SAM position.lol...the fans are Game to Game fans...

[Rhodus333]

And regradless of frustrations, Cooley is right in that the reactions are extremely exaggerated right now. This team is better than many will admit right now.

Thats exactly WHY so many fans are pissed off. Because we know the team is better than theyre playing on the field. Theyre only holding themselves back. Winning games in the NFL is hard enough without beating yourself each week.

[zoony]

Prove it. Kinda tired of the talking.

Cooley is #1 among all TE's for catches and 2nd in total yardage thru week 2.

And if you're tired of the talking, why are you here talking? :)

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[21forlyfe]

Cooley is #1 among all TE's for catches and 2nd in total yardage thru week 2.

And if you're tired of the talking, why are you here talking? :)

....
Who dosen't know that Cooley is a freaking Monster?:doh: do they even watch Cooley?:cool2:

[bikie]

cooley's a great player and am glad he's a skin, but I can't stand when players use "we work our asses" off as validation for their performance (for the money they get, that's the least I'd expect them to do muchless anyone in any profession) and I REALLY miss the days when players didn't have tweets or myspace or blogs...

[Riggo#44]

careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

Post pictures of Christy!

[Maximus71]

Cooley is #1 among all TE's for catches and 2nd in total yardage thru week 2.

And if you're tired of the talking, why are you here talking? :)

....

You know someone will #$#% why he doesnt have any TD's lol :chair:

[Alvin_Walton40]

The argument is silly. We are doing what we do as fans. We criticize, we idolize, we love we hate.

I just hope that this whole 'booing' thing turns into some kinda catalyst for the season.

[Dirty#30]

Prove it. Kinda tired of the talking.

but see, that's just it! You're tired of the talking and want action. They are tired of people complaining too! Fans complaining doesn't always compute to positive results on the field. You keep beating a dog, at some point that dog will snap back!!!! Think about it................

[Maximus71]

The argument is silly. We are doing what we do as fans. We criticize, we idolize, we love we hate.

I just hope that this whole 'booing' thing turns into some kinda catalyst for the season.


If that does happen, they should play the boo's on the speakers at practice every week:laugh:

[Bang]

Again, fans aren't just mad at week 1 and 2 of this season

Its the entire picture of how this team has been run for a decade.

The frustration of the fans is just starting to really come out and rear its ugly head

Thats why I say the organization has lost the fan base. We are all pissed now

Speak for yourself. If you think the team has lost you as a fan, then GTFO.
It's one thing to criticize, it's another to say "you've lost me as a fan" based on the play on the field.
If that's the way it is, jump on with the Steelers. They win a lot. You'll be plenty happy.

When a fan base is as smart as this

Unless they show improvement each week this team easily could go 0-8. THATS whats frustrating.
I can't WAIT for the team to lose you.

Clue to Rhodus333, we can't possibly go 0-8 because believe it or not, we won on Sunday. You're invited to pay attention.

~Bang

[Dan T.]

Thats what they do....Espically if you make them look like a fool for loving a scrub...Remember i got banned for saying Warrick Holdman is a bumb,if he gotten hurt it would have been best for the team....


I want to believe you, I really do. But something tells me there's more to the story. Because 39,000 other people who knew Holdman was a "bumb" - and said so - did not get banned.

[RiggosMohawk]

I don't know if I would have booed at the game. I know I was frustrated watching it on the tube. It wasn't a pretty win by any stretch of the imagination, but it was much better than a loss.

I know I wanted two things to happen after a 9-7 win over an inferior team: ANYBODY to step up and say "yeah its a win but I/we played poorly in certain areas. that doesnt cut it and we're fixing it"... and second, for somebody to actually do something about it. The good NFL teams have games like this, but not the same reaction to the game. Their team leaders make themselves accountable both publicly and privately for the mistakes, and they force, either through example, call-outs, whatever is needed, everybody to play better. I don't see any public evidence of these types of actions from this group.

[brianm23]

Cooley is #1 among all TE's for catches and 2nd in total yardage thru week 2.

And if you're tired of the talking, why are you here talking? :)

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I think he's referring to the "scoring" and offense overall. If he was talking about Cooley's play...well... :chair:

[Skinz4Life12]

Cooley is #1 among all TE's for catches and 2nd in total yardage thru week 2.

And if you're tired of the talking, why are you here talking? :)

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Bzapf got :owned:


You know someone will #$#% why he doesnt have any TD's lol :chair:

actually he does

[Bzapf]

Cooley is #1 among all TE's for catches and 2nd in total yardage thru week 2.

And if you're tired of the talking, why are you here talking? :)

....

Not just Cooley the whole team. Today Portis said on paper we are the best team in the NFL. This team does a lot of talking and is underachieving. They all come out and say how good the team is they need to back it up. But Cooley is one of the best TE in the NFL no doubt.

[KingGibbs]

No I advocate banning people who like to just ***** and ***** without saying anything constructive...

The whole.... "We suck" and "So and so is a loser" over and over again really gets old...

I agree Pez, but why take those people seriously? I don't. I read what they say and then move on to a post I think is worthy of responding to.

[fansince62]

The art expert speaks out

[skinnyfan57]

Whats the big deal.......I think SkinsPR was making a joke about Cooley and how he met his new wife when he already had an ole lady in Utah?? Weird joke.....but true I do believe.....

[lashondajones]

First Henson, now Cooley, and even Campbell is talking about how it doesn't matter what the fans or media thinks. And then their is Zorn who is in a battle of wits and words with Sonny J. Who knew it would take the fan base to finally motivate the players and coaches to come together and light a fire under them. Normally it takes a fired up coach or a fired up Ray Lewis type player to get his team motivated and intense.

Who knew it would be the fan base? Its US? Lets pat ourselves on the back!

[Maximus71]

Bzapf got :owned:



actually he does

I know he does, but from that post it only stated the catches and yardage and not the TD' and someone surely would have said it. Or complained that he is not a true leader or ..... you get the picture.

[MattFancy]

Not just Cooley the whole team. Today Portis said on paper we are the best team in the NFL. This team does a lot of talking and is underachieving. They all come out and say how good the team is they need to back it up. But Cooley is one of the best TE in the NFL no doubt.

He said we had the most talent in the NFL. Which can be argued that we do. Portis, Moss, Cooley, Sellers, Samuels, Haynesworth, and Hall have all been to a Pro Bowl and Fletcher should've been to a few. We have the players in place, they just need to produce. Is that on them or the coaches? Maybe a little of both. The more I think it about, the more I wouldn't want to be the Lions this week. The Skins are pissed and are gonna take it out on them.

[fansince62]

Not just Cooley the whole team. Today Portis said on paper we are the best team in the NFL. This team does a lot of talking and is underachieving. They all come out and say how good the team is they need to back it up. But Cooley is one of the best TE in the NFL no doubt.

cooley is good...he also has his limits....his vetical leap in uniform under game conditions doesn't compare with some other TEs.....

[Bang]

I know I wanted two things to happen after a 9-7 win over an inferior team: ANYBODY to step up and say "yeah its a win but I/we played poorly in certain areas. that doesnt cut it and we're fixing it"... and second, for somebody to actually do something about it. The good NFL teams have games like this, but not the same reaction to the game. Their team leaders make themselves accountable both publicly and privately for the mistakes, and they force, either through example, call-outs, whatever is needed, everybody to play better. I don't see any public evidence of these types of actions from this group.

I'm not sure where you expect to see any evidence of this.
If a player around here speaks his mind, he's hung out to dry. So our players (almost) all toe the company line and remain as plain bland vanilla as possible when talking to anyone.
When the press is your biggest enemy, and your fan base wants to boo you after a win, you can't really blame them.

So until you're a fly on the wall in the private meetings or locker room when there are none of the jackals around, you really aren't going to know anything about what they really think or feel.

Course, two players have told you how they feel this week, and look what is happening to them. One, a no name linebacker and the other, a pro bowl tight end and seeming fan favorite, and both are told by their "fans" to shut the **** up and play.

Such a classy group we are.

~Bang

[I_Bleed_B&G]

At this point Zoony.... Get as liberal as you want twith that ban hammer... time to thin the herd out...

I agree that we have some issues in personnel, team performance, and playcalling.... but some of the people here are just plain ridiculous... I almost wonder if they feverishly anticipate something to go wrong so they can just spout off non-stop...

I am with cooley and portis... I don't think it will take too much to turn this team into something special.
So you just want to start banning people because we are speaking our mind and think that this team is no good. Just because you think we aren't that bad, doesn't mean I have to think the same thing. I think this team is horrible. Same inconsistency we have seen from this team forever. If that floats your boat then thats great for you. I expect this to be a good to great team. We pay out the wazooo for some of these players and they pretty much always amount to nothing. Why should I settle for mediocrity? Why should I watch the games every year and see the same garbage year in an year out and not complain. You want me to smile about it and laugh it off? I have been a fan for a long time and I love this team. Just because I love them does not mean I must support the crap performance they put on the field. I'll speak my mind and let everyone know how I feel. I want to win and get to the playoffs and superbowl. With the performances we have been putting forth as of late, we may not even have a .500 season and I'm not OK with that.

[MattFancy]

Maybe all this is what our team needs to come together this season. Maybe they'll all play with a chip on their soulders from here on out.

[zoony]

cooley is good...he also has his limits....his vetical leap in uniform under game conditions doesn't compare with some other TEs.....


You're right, but in fairness, I'm trying to remember a time where a QB threw him a high ball that he had to go up for and missed.

[Jeffro]

I'd venture to guess that Cooley's numbers wouldn't be as good if Campbell could actually throw a completed pass to a reciever in stride.

(I'm not taking anything away from him (Cooley), he's a very hard working TE and the top 3 in the league IMO)

[JaimeDeCurry]

You're right, but in fairness, I'm trying to remember a time where a QB threw him a high ball that he had to go up for and missed.

He had to go up for the one TD against the Giants and snagged that one like a champ. Cooley is our best offensive player, hands down IMO.

[BuryYourDuke]

I know how frustrating it was when my team wasn't meeting fan expectations in college...I can't imagine what it must be like for guys like Cooley who are doing their job, and have such tremendous scrutiny. Getting paid millions is really nice, but it doesn't make you less human.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Speak for yourself. If you think the team has lost you as a fan, then GTFO.
It's one thing to criticize, it's another to say "you've lost me as a fan" based on the play on the field.
If that's the way it is, jump on with the Steelers. They win a lot. You'll be plenty happy.



~Bang

I think you misread me Bang

If the only issues with the organization was the on field play, I don't think fans would be as angry as I have seen this week.

And I'll be honest, I have been on this board a very long time, since 2002, and this is as pissed as I have ever seen the fan base.

Its not just because of a 9-7 win over the Rams. Thats the least of the problems with the team

[BayouBrave86]

Good, I hope the team is pissed off and is eager to show something Sunday. Maybe they can score more than 30 points for a change.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Where did Cooley say you had to live by a code?

And wtf kind of guy goes to see the Rockettes? What's wrong with you? :slap:

I was speaking more generally than anything. I didn't even read what Cooley said. Though I do love the idea of athlete blogs and athlete twitters.

And everyone needs to see the Radio City Christmas Special once in their life.

[pez]

You know someone will #$#% why he doesnt have any TD's lol :chair:

He did have a TD... in the Giants game

[BuryYourDuke]

Good, I hope the team is pissed off and is eager to show something Sunday. Maybe they can score more than 30 points for a change.

Let's start with 10, or 20 :)

[bikie]

one thing about cooley I think is incredibly underrated is his ability to break tackles... the guy flat out breaks 2-3 tackles per catch... it's uncanny the way he sheds them and I never hear him recognized for it... he gets in that low wrestling-shoot position and guys just bounce or slide off him... love watching it...

[zoony]

I was speaking more generally than anything. I didn't even read what Cooley said. Though I do love the idea of athlete blogs and athlete twitters.

And everyone needs to see the Radio City Christmas Special once in their life.


I don't know about you anymore LKB... first you say you like musicals, now the rockettes christmas special.


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[Rhodus333]

Speak for yourself. If you think the team has lost you as a fan, then GTFO.
It's one thing to criticize, it's another to say "you've lost me as a fan" based on the play on the field.
If that's the way it is, jump on with the Steelers. They win a lot. You'll be plenty happy.

When a fan base is as smart as this

I can't WAIT for the team to lose you.

Clue to Rhodus333, we can't possibly go 0-8 because believe it or not, we won on Sunday. You're invited to pay attention.

~Bang

When there's 14 games left in a season, losing 8 in a row is completley possible. Maybe you should double check your math. My point was that right now our team isn't playing well enough to hope for anything more than nailbiter endings to every game, regardless of the opponent. Thats whats scary. There isn't a "safe" game on the schedule for a team playing like we are.

Keep your snazzy one liners for the cartoons and stop telling others how to cheer for their team.

[BayouBrave86]

Let's start with 10, or 20 :)
:hysterical::(

[sgf21]

Good, I hope the team is pissed off and is eager to show something Sunday. Maybe they can score more than 30 points for a change.

Before we get up to 30 points maybe we should just be happy to see anything over 20. I don't even really care about scoring a ton of points. I just want to see the team in control of what they are doing.

[thesubmittedone]

Good for Chris. Good for the team.

Chris should be a team captain.



Then again, maybe not, lol.

[abdcskins]

Maybe all this is what our team needs to come together this season. Maybe they'll all play with a chip on their shoulders from here on out.

That's what I was thinking. This is a good thing. I am with Cooley.

[Shilsu]

I like Chris Cooley. He is one of the most productive members on the Washington Redskins. He is also one of my favorites.

However, he (and Robert Henson and whoever else) are taking their frustrations out on the wrong people. Yeah, we booed. Yeah, we're pissed. But so what? There's no reason to make excuses or try to rationalize your games with the same crappy reasons that you might find on this board ("Oh yeah, a loss is okay because we played the Giants...") . I mean seriously... That is the worst reason I have ever heard in professional sports aside from, I think it was Dirk Nowitzki who made an excuse for his poor shooting by saying how talented the guy guarding him was.

Hey, we play the Giants one more time. I guess it's okay to lose against them the second time around? Hell no.

Like I said, I like Cooley (and the Redskins), but they've got to get mad at the right people which is themselves. Santana Moss gets a lot of hate lately also, but you never see him blaming anyone. When a reporter asks him if the quarterback is the issue or the coach is the issue or whatever is the issue about his lack of production, he says "It's my job to get the ball." When asked about the booing, he said "I have to play my game. I'm out there to do my job."

I know many Redskins and their friends and their family read this forum, but please... No more of this loser talk.

[BayouBrave86]

The Skins have yet to score 30 points under Zorn, but I do think that changes this week. If this team struggles to another victory, it is going to be a LONG season.

[Bang]

I think you misread me Bang

If the only issues with the organization was the on field play, I don't think fans would be as angry as I have seen this week.

And I'll be honest, I have been on this board a very long time, since 2002, and this is as pissed as I have ever seen the fan base.

Its not just because of a 9-7 win over the Rams. Thats the least of the problems with the team

Believe me, I'm just as unhappy with the performance as most here. I see the problems just like everyone, even if we all have our ideas as to their cause.
But I can't abide the fans deserting the team, which what the phrase "they've lost the fan base" implies. I can't abide booing the players after a win to send a message. It sends the wrong message, as is evidenced by the reaction of the players who have bothered to speak out.
Some folks here seem to believe that the team is lollygagging, not trying, that the players are somehow satisfied with the lack of scoring. I've never met a single athlete in my life who is happy with a poor performance even in a win.. I have to think these athletes are no different.

~Bang

[KingGibbs]

This thread is the perfect measuring stick as to how divided this fanbase is. It's sad really.

[Dirty#30]

As a "Real" fan...........I believe in this team! I have and will continue to see the possibilities of this team. It may be frustrating from time to time to watch but I always remain hopeful and eager to watch each and every game.............

[boofMcboof]

I am unable to read Cooleys blog at work so what exactly does he need to be careful about?


careful about what? Telling everyone that he believes the Redskins are a good team?

What would you rather him do?

All I'm saying is that he needs to watch it. He's right on that line between standing up for his team and making excuses. Most of us are fed up with this kind of middle of the road, moderated, attitude. This was the same attitude he carried in the last half of last season. Comments posted in this thread mirror my statement. Telling everyone that the Redskins are a good team is valueless. It used to be players laid it all on the field. No excuses. Put up or shut up. That's the mentality of a winner. Not blogging about this and that.



All Cooley's saying is they work hard, back us. It's his personal opinion, same as all the people who are dissing the team.

If sellouts at every home game doesn't tell him that the fans back them I don't know what will. Fans have every right to boo to voice their displeasure and 'Skins fans are amoung the smartness and classiest in all of sports.

Very recently, I booed my beloved Lakers because of the effort in one particular game. You know what happened? The Lakers responded. They got their ass in gear. They didn't blog "things get better trust us." When Rudy Tomjanovich was the coach and the team chucked up 20 three pointers a game, you better believe the season ticket holders and long time fans booed. That's because knowledgeable passionate fans know better. Ownership and the front office got their ass in gear.

We refuse to have the wool pulled over our eyes. Detroit fans got fed up with Millen and stated their displeasure by holding up Fire Millen signs. You know what happened? He finally got fired mid-season.

We want action. We boo because we care. We voice displeasure because we care. He should be more concerned if no one complained. The resulting indifference would only make it easier for the organization to be complacent. If players don't understand that urgency they shouldn't be communicating to the public in the first place.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Very recently, I booed my beloved Lakers because of the effort in one particular game. You know what happened? The Lakers responded. They got their ass in gear. They didn't blog "things get better trust us." When Rudy Tomjanovich was the coach and the team chucked up 20 three pointers a game, you better believe the season ticket holders and long time fans booed. That's because knowledge passionate fans know better. Ownership and the front office got their ass in gear.

We refuse to have the wool pulled over our eyes. Detroit fans got fed up with Millen and stated their displeasure by holding up Fire Millen signs. You know what happened? He finally got fired mid-season.

We want action. We boo because we care. We voice displeasure because we care. He should be more concerned if no-one complained. The resulting indifference would only make it easier for the organization to be complacent. If players don't understand that urgency they shouldn't be communicating to the public in the first place.


very good point. would somebody call a lions fan a "fake fan" because they staged walkouts and fire matt millen rallies? people use him as a punch line on this board and in the media constantly, but ive never seen anyone claim a lions fan was "fake" for booing and trashing their team. they wanna see results, same as we do, and they obviously got sick of it.

orioles did the same thing, staged that walkout, embarrassed angelos to the point where now hes hired andy mcphail and theyre attempting to build a winner. the fans negative voice matters more than some seem to think it does.

[KingGibbs]

Believe me, I'm just as unhappy with the performance as most here. I see the problems just like everyone, even if we all have our ideas as to their cause.
But I can't abide the fans deserting the team, which what the phrase "they've lost the fan base" implies. I can't abide booing the players after a win to send a message. It sends the wrong message, as is evidenced by the reaction of the players who have bothered to speak out.
Some folks here seem to believe that the team is lollygagging, not trying, that the players are somehow satisfied with the lack of scoring. I've never met a single athlete in my life who is happy with a poor performance even in a win.. I have to think these athletes are no different.

~Bang

Bang. With the way we've played the last 10+ years sooner or later the fanbase was going to grow tired of the mediocre play. Every year we succumb to the hype of our offseason acquisitions only to be disappointed a majority of the time.

There is just too much ammuniton for the fans from what I mentioned above to the lack of an actual "GM." This team has NO identity and that's the biggest problem with this team. Teams that are consistently winning have an identity whether it be on the offensive or defensive side of the ball.

I mentioned it before, but why do people like yourself let your blood pressure rise over the comments of some anonymous fans? If anything, maybe the fans showing their displeasure Sunday will wake them up because nurturing them like we have certainly hasn't inspired them.

[HailYeah]

Maybe all this is what our team needs to come together this season. Maybe they'll all play with a chip on their soulders from here on out.

Yeah this is what we need. Imagine a world where a team needs to get pissed off at their own fan base for booing a pathetic football performance in order to actually play well just to stick it to them.

In all honesty, I would have never seen this coming. Only in DC.:doh:

[tshile]

could you imagine a staged walkout at fedex field.

just everyone go hang out in the parking lot...

things would have to get worse before I'd be up for that - not sure how much worse though... the season isn't lost, but if come that last home game its evident its going to be another 8-8 season, i'd walkout.

[Shilsu]

Do you guys remember Michael Vick flicking off his own fans... lol...

[pez]

This thread is the perfect measuring stick as to how divided this fanbase is. It's sad really.

I think everyone here pretty much understands we have problems... I don't think there is
a single person that will say that we have nothing wrong with the team or playcalling...

But you're right, I think there is a division

There are those that say yes, we have problems, but I think that we can fix them and do
better. As a fan, that's all you can really do is hope for the best when there are problems.

Then there there are those on this board that for some reason love to revel in misery and
spout we suck, so and so is a loser, we will go nowhere, etc, etc. This is not the attitude
to take. No... the organization does not take cues from this board or anyone calling in...
It is their organization and they will do what they will do. Having this attitude will make you
bitter as a fan, and you will have to re-examine yourself as a fan and say is it worth it to
make my life completely miserable over something I cannot control?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

could you imagine a staged walkout at fedex field.

just everyone go hang out in the parking lot...

things would have to get worse before I'd be up for that - not sure how much worse though... the season isn't lost, but if come that last home game its evident its going to be another 8-8 season, i'd walkout.


anything to actually show snyder real disgust im down with. it took a long time for peter angelos to finally figure it out in baltimore and get his hands out of the cookie jar. it took something of that magnitude for him to see just how ugly the fans felt, so maybe something to that effect is not a bad idea.

[MattFancy]

Yeah this is what we need. Imagine a world where a team needs to get pissed off at their own fan base for booing a pathetic football performance in order to actually play well just to stick it to them.

In all honesty, I would have never seen this coming. Only in DC.:doh:

If it means making the playoffs and playing well, then whatever. Maybe its a wake up call that we're not just happy with sneaking out a win. I just hope we turn things around this week.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

There there are those on this board that for some reason love to revel in misery and spout we suck, so and so is a loser, we will go nowhere, etc, etc. This is not the attitude to take. No... the organization does not take cues from this board or anyone calling in... It is their organization and they will do what they will do. Having this attitude will make you bitter as a fan, and you will have to re-examine yourself as a fan and say is it worth it to make my life completely miserable over something I cannot control?


in your opinion, do you think the walkouts for the detroit lions and baltimore orioles had anything to do with them firing their GMs?

[I_Bleed_B&G]

I think everyone here pretty much understands we have problems... I don't think there is
a single person that will say that we have nothing wrong with the team or playcalling...

But you're right, I think there is a division

There are those that say yes, we have problems, but I think that we can fix them and do
better. As a fan, that's all you can really do is hope for the best when there are problems.

Then there there are those on this board that for some reason love to revel in misery and
spout we suck, so and so is a loser, we will go nowhere, etc, etc. This is not the attitude
to take. No... the organization does not take cues from this board or anyone calling in...
It is their organization and they will do what they will do. Having this attitude will make you
bitter as a fan, and you will have to re-examine yourself as a fan and say is it worth it to
make my life completely miserable over something I cannot control?
I disagree with the second part. As a fan, I ***** and moan because of the product we have but it doesn't make my life miserable. The redskins are a product. You pay and support the team and you expect results, improvement or new release (fix the bugs). We haven't seen that. What we have seen is the organization trying but failing.

If an electronics company put out a inferior product and its known that it is inferior, they will try to fix it to appease to the people buying it. If they continue to fail, they will fire whoever it is running the dept and bring in someone who knows what the **** they are doing. The redskins don't understand this concept. Why should the consumer be happy with an inferior product. We will ***** and moan until something gets resolved then we will be happy again.

[pez]

in your opinion, do you think the walkouts for the detroit lions and baltimore orioles had anything to do with them firing their GMs?

I think that that process was well on its way already.... they realized something was wrong... I think the walkout could have had some impact, but I think our situation is different...

I don't think (based upon the majority of the types of fans at fedex) that a walkout would ever happen. Too many casual fans at fedex field...

[HailYeah]

If it means making the playoffs and playing well, then whatever. Maybe its a wake up call that we're not just happy with sneaking out a win. I just hope we turn things around this week.

Me too. This whole things just feels ugly. Its making everyone sick, actually. We are Skins fans for life, we're not going anywhere. I hope they STOMP the Lions on Sunday and reel off three more wins after that. Just win baby. I promise there will not be another victory booed this year. Mark it down. That was a unique situation last week (first game after the whole summer ticket fiasco, terrible opponent, new parking situation that is weak, offense that didnt capitalize all day, questionable play calling, really all-around boring game, hot weather, etc.)

[MattFancy]

I think that that process was well on its way already.... they realized something was wrong... I think the walkout could have had some impact, but I think our situation is different...

I don't think (based upon the majority of the types of fans at fedex) that a walkout would ever happen. Too many casual fans at fedex field...

And those 2 teams have been losing for years. The O's haven't had a winning season in 12 years. The Lions are also perennial losers. The Skins haven't been great, but we haven't been that bad.

[tshile]

anything to actually show snyder real disgust im down with. it took a long time for peter angelos to finally figure it out in baltimore and get his hands out of the cookie jar. it took something of that magnitude for him to see just how ugly the fans felt, so maybe something to that effect is not a bad idea.
do you actually have tickets?

[chicagoskins]

Agreed with Cooley.

And, reading some of what you people write, I have a hard time understanding how it is you consider yourselves Skins fans. You don't believe in your players. You want the coach gone. You despise the owner, The FO, even the stadium (ok, i miss RFK too...).

What other than the unis do you like?

Support. This. Team.

Week 3 is coming. THREE!! Drop the pitchforks and cheer.

[elkabong82]

I don't agree with you at all. I've been getting the vibe from most of the players that they were satisfied with just beating the Rams. D. Hall is the only one who's come out and said that they played bad. Chris mentions that we did a lot of good things, being able to move the ball and not having to punt often, but our team still isn't in CONTROL of the football game.

There is a big difference between how the Giants beat us by controlling the game, and how we escaped with a win against the Rams. Remember, the Rams are a yard away from sacking our QB for a safety that would of tied the game. If Horton doesn't cause that fumble the Rams are in position to take the lead. Even at the end of the game a better throw to Avery could of won them the game.

This team isn't playing sound football, and we let them hear that during and at the end of the game.

Well, if you look past some of the players saying they aren't happy that fans were booing after a win, Cooley has said they need to step it up, Portis has said so, Zorn has said players need to execute better, he even said, though it's been largely ignored, that while he believes his playcalling was ok, he'd go back and look over things and see if he can improve, I've heard the call for improvement from Smoot and others as well.

Really, to me what it looks like, is the players recognize the need for improvement, but they also recognize they aren't as bad as some people are claiming. I think that's a healthy way to look at things. I also think their comments about needing to improve are being glossed over because players like Cooley are saying they aren't that bad.

Can a player not believe the team needs to improve while also beleiving the team is pretty good?

And if you want to play the "If this happened then this would have happened" game as you've done with the Rams game, I can just as easily claim had receivers held onto passes in the redzone, the booing doesn't even happen.

[Shilsu]

do you actually have tickets?

Surprisingly enough (or not surprisingly) he does seem to attend games and goes to away games, as do many people who are supposedly "haters". Meanwhile, it's usually the people who throw around the term "haters" that don't attend games.

I guess it makes sense. It's easier to root for your team no matter what if you have no vested interested in them, whether it be time or money.

[Fat Stupid Loser]

Cooley needs to be careful.

Yes, denial is a dangerous defense mechanism.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Me too. This whole things just feels ugly. Its making everyone sick, actually. We are Skins fans for life, we're not going anywhere. I hope they STOMP the Lions on Sunday and reel off three more wins after that. Just win baby. I promise there will not be another victory booed this year. Mark it down. That was a unique situation last week (first game after the whole summer ticket fiasco, terrible opponent, new parking situation that is weak, offense that didnt capitalize all day, questionable play calling, really all-around boring game, hot weather, etc.)
If you think fans won't boo again, you got another thing coming my friend. The boo birds will be flying high and loud. I can guarantee that

[Bang]

Bang. With the way we've played the last 10+ years sooner or later the fanbase was going to grow tired of the mediocre play. Every year we succumb to the hype of our offseason acquisitions only to be disappointed a majority of the time.

There is just too much ammuniton for the fans from what I mentioned above to the lack of an actual "GM." This team has NO identity and that's the biggest problem with this team. Teams that are consistently winning have an identity whether it be on the offensive or defensive side of the ball.

I mentioned it before, but why do people like yourself let your blood pressure rise over the comments of some anonymous fans? If anything, maybe the fans showing their displeasure Sunday will wake them up because nurturing them like we have certainly hasn't inspired them.

Well, my blood pressure is fine, thanks for the concern.
Everyone has every right to boo the players after a win that isn't up to standards. Fans have every right to try and send messages to ownership.
And fans should expect that when they do, they run the risk of alienating the very players we claim to cheer for.
And here we are.
Like I said earlier,, people love this team so much that now it is beginning to hate them. What a lovely state of affairs.

~Bang

[pez]

I disagree with the second part. As a fan, I ***** and moan because of the product we have but it doesn't make my life miserable. The redskins are a product. You pay and support the team and you expect results, improvement or new release (fix the bugs). We haven't seen that. What we have seen is the organization trying but failing.

If an electronics company put out a inferior product and its known that it is inferior, they will try to fix it to appease to the people buying it. If they continue to fail, they will fire whoever it is running the dept and bring in someone who knows what the **** they are doing. The redskins don't understand this concept. Why should the consumer be happy with an inferior product. We will ***** and moan until something gets resolved then we will be happy again.

They have made so many attempts to fix it, that it is almost mind boggling.
We have had a coaching carousel since Snyder has come here trying to find
the right one to lead the team... He has gone out and paid probably upwards
of billions of dollars trying to bring in stud players. Now here is the thing... do
I agree with every decision that has been made? Hell no.... Do I criticize
these? Hell yes! Do I wallow in that over and over in every single post I have
here... no. I look forward... I pray that a player, or a coach has a
breakthrough, and things start clicking.... that is all we can do!

[tshile]

your're right bang.


we should sit around for another 18 years and enjoy a team that routinely finishes 3rd or 4th in their divison. a team that only makes the playoffs when another team in the division decides to play worse through a season than ours, and then when theyf inally do make the playoffs, a team that plays lik ehighschoolers and puts up 130 yards total offense.

that sounds like a much more productive way of going about it - waiting for change, instead of trying to help spark some.

[Rocky52Mc]

Cooley needs to be careful.

This right here is incorrect.

Cooley can say what he wants because he's earned the respect of many and he performs well not only week in and week out but this past Sunday he bailed us out on a ton of situations.

You're saying this simply because Henson has got himself in trouble, and you are a clear example of problems going on in this internet era where we the fans have a closer relationship to what we want, whenever.

No your opinion doesn't matter, but as a WHOLE especially in this organization, OUR collective opinion does matter. As you can tell, Campbell, Cooley, and Zorn are asked about absurd questions unrelated to football more then ever. It's becoming a joke, and there's no way to really stop it.

[FrFan]

Cooley is immature, sometimes he better shut his mouth and do what he does best: play football.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

Well, my blood pressure is fine, thanks for the concern.
Everyone has every right to boo the players after a win that isn't up to standards. Fans have every right to try and send messages to ownership.
And fans should expect that when they do, they run the risk of alienating the very players we claim to cheer for.
And here we are.
Like I said earlier,, people love this team so much that now it is beginning to hate them. What a lovely state of affairs.

~Bang
If the players get hurt by the boos, then they should do something about it and win some games and not just eek out a victory on poo poo teams. They deserve to get booed. If they don't like it they can grow some thick skin or actually work harder and perform better. The workplace for them is not suppose to be all about fun and games. Its a job, sometimes heat is applied and you have to climb out of it.

[KingGibbs]

I think everyone here pretty much understands we have problems... I don't think there is
a single person that will say that we have nothing wrong with the team or playcalling...

But you're right, I think there is a division

There are those that say yes, we have problems, but I think that we can fix them and do
better. As a fan, that's all you can really do is hope for the best when there are problems.

Then there there are those on this board that for some reason love to revel in misery and
spout we suck, so and so is a loser, we will go nowhere, etc, etc. This is not the attitude
to take. No... the organization does not take cues from this board or anyone calling in...
It is their organization and they will do what they will do. Having this attitude will make you
bitter as a fan, and you will have to re-examine yourself as a fan and say is it worth it to
make my life completely miserable over something I cannot control?


My father has an old saying Pez. "Everybody handles situations differently." I have lived by those words when it comes to judging others. I know how big of a fan I am and I might choose to react differently than the next guy. In the end they don't effect my fanhood either way. If they want to *****, let 'em *****. I don't care either way.

Too many people on here seem to focus on what the fans are saying more so than what the team is doing.

[HailYeah]

If you think fans won't boo again, you got another thing coming my friend. The boo birds will be flying high and loud. I can guarantee that

I didnt say they wouldnt boo again. I said they wouldnt boo for a victory again.

[thesubmittedone]

Well, my blood pressure is fine, thanks for the concern.
Everyone has every right to boo the players after a win that isn't up to standards. Fans have every right to try and send messages to ownership.
And fans should expect that when they do, they run the risk of alienating the very players we claim to cheer for.
And here we are.
Like I said earlier,, people love this team so much that now it is beginning to hate them. What a lovely state of affairs.

~Bang


We are at a tipping point it seems. This is where champions take their places as such, and losers fade out.

I'm honestly excited. :)

[Pedro]

lol reading some of these threads brings it home, we aren't good enough to moan about how we win. Take it and keep working.

[Bang]

your're right bang.


we should sit around for another 18 years and enjoy a team that routinely finishes 3rd or 4th in their divison. a team that only makes the playoffs when another team in the division decides to play worse through a season than ours, and then when theyf inally do make the playoffs, a team that plays lik ehighschoolers and puts up 130 yards total offense.

that sounds like a much more productive way of going about it - waiting for change, instead of trying to help spark some.

Well, you and your buddies been very productive this week, haven't you? Managed to piss off our best offensive player, eh?
As I said numerous times, I don't have a problem with booing. But there's a time and a place, and after a win is neither.
But hey, what do I know. Cooley's just a dumbass jock who should just do his job and shut up.
And when he decides to go do it elsewhere, oh well.
How stupid of the team to let him get away!

~Bang

[tshile]

that is all we can do!
no

thats not all we can do.

those of us that go to the game can do more.

we can show our frustrations to the organization, in person, on game day.

i don't think you get it...

do you remember what the lions fans did? how they turned their owner/organization into an embarassment?

the same can, and probably will, be done to snyder if things don't change. 18 years is a long time... and people are getting fed up. People are already abandoning season tickets, teh skins are struggling to fill seats, and if this continues for another few years I would seriously expect blackouts - hell it might not even take that long. the stadium had WAY too many open season for an home opener... and thats because the people with tickets didn't even bother to come. They ate the cost, and just didn't even come. I'm not talking about the cheap seats either, there were plenty of open seats in the lower levels all game long.

when people start wearing bags over their heads, and the stadium is empty, snyder will have turned this organization into a laughing stock - and will be forced to fix it one way or another.


like you, i pray that doesn't happen - i really really really do. but to think that the fans are helpless to force/spark change, is a little naive. Washington plays a lot of prime time games this year at home. 3 against division rivals. there is plenty of oportunity to embarass snyder if we (the ticket holders) choose to do so.

[KingGibbs]

Well, my blood pressure is fine, thanks for the concern.
Everyone has every right to boo the players after a win that isn't up to standards. Fans have every right to try and send messages to ownership.
And fans should expect that when they do, they run the risk of alienating the very players we claim to cheer for.
And here we are.
Like I said earlier,, people love this team so much that now it is beginning to hate them. What a lovely state of affairs.
~Bang

Therein lies the problem Bang. We love this team so much it hurts. Which is why I can understand the frustrations some fans are showing. I guess I'm an open-minded person.

[Rocky52Mc]

Cooley is immature, sometimes he better shut his mouth and do what he does best: play football.

So in a sense could anyone say to you:

"FrFan is immature, sometimes he better shut his mouth and do what he does best: his day job."

Just curious?

[I_Bleed_B&G]

They have made so many attempts to fix it, that it is almost mind boggling.
We have had a coaching carousel since Snyder has come here trying to find
the right one to lead the team... He has gone out and paid probably upwards
of billions of dollars trying to bring in stud players. Now here is the thing... do
I agree with every decision that has been made? Hell no.... Do I criticize
these? Hell yes! Do I wallow in that over and over in every single post I have
here... no. I look forward... I pray that a player, or a coach has a
breakthrough, and things start clicking.... that is all we can do!
I understand. But I "wallow" because nothing positive is coming out from it. I mean bringing in a QB coach as an O-Coordinator is one thing, but then anoint Zorn as the head coach of the washington redskins is ridic. This is the washington redskins. Thats like saying you brought in a teacher and because you had no other choice gave him the position of the president of the university. These types of decisions by the front office is what is killing this organization. Who does that? Are we that bad of an organization that we could hire someone who was qualified to be a head coach. Zorn is over his head. He is clueless and you can see that in how the team performs. Those are the decisions that piss me off and a lot of other fans.

[HailNatsSkinz]

he had to go up for the one td against the giants and snagged that one like a champ. cooley is our best offensive player, hands down imo.

+1

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Well, my blood pressure is fine, thanks for the concern.
Everyone has every right to boo the players after a win that isn't up to standards. Fans have every right to try and send messages to ownership.
And fans should expect that when they do, they run the risk of alienating the very players we claim to cheer for.
And here we are.
Like I said earlier,, people love this team so much that now it is beginning to hate them. What a lovely state of affairs.

~Bang

It's been pointed out already, but if you want to see what the future could possibly hold for the Redskins...just drive an hour north to Camden Yards.

In 1996, the Orioles had a fanbase that seemed impossible to alienate. Angelos did it.

We may still be a decade or ten years away from that...and in the NFL, you have to try very hard to stink for ten years...but it's possible that at some point, the fans will just say "Enough of this!" DC is not the city it was in 1980. You have baseball and basketball and a real hockey team and more entertainment options and more transplants than ever. The Skins don't own the South anymore thanks to Carolina and New Orleans and Atlanta and Tennessee. The Ravens keep pushing their fanbase further south. (If I am ten years old and live in a Maryland suburb, I might become a Ravens fan at this point). The Steelers keep pushing further west. (Harrisburg and the Eastern Panhandle of WV seem to be firmly in Steeler Country right now).

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Giants fans booed their team to a superbowl victory over the Pats. Sunday reminded me a lot of Giants home games a couple of years ago.

[tshile]

Well, you and your buddies been very productive this week, haven't you? Managed to piss off our best offensive player, eh?
As I said numerous times, I don't have a problem with booing. But there's a time and a place, and after a win is neither.
But hey, what do I know. Cooley's just a dumbass jock who should just do his job and shut up.
And when he decides to go do it elsewhere, oh well.
How stupid of the team to let him get away!

~Bang
?

i have no problem with cooley saying what he said. as far as I'm concerned, Cooley's one of the few who's actually doing their job and living up to expectations.

But you keep holding on to your precious 2 point wins, and hope for better. I'll keep demanding this team return to being anything other than the laughing stock of the NFL.

Players come here to get paid - not to win. Players take paycuts to go to the patriots and steelers. They leave the team they've been with for 5-8 years to come here for a bigger contract.

Lavar said it himself - someone who loves the redskins, and the players on it. Thats the way the other players in the NFL look at the redskins.

Yeah, you keep being ok witht he current ownership. Let me know how many years you need - personally 10 is enough for me.

[Dirty#30]

It's been pointed out already, but if you want to see what the future could possibly hold for the Redskins...just drive an hour north to Camden Yards.

In 1996, the Orioles had a fanbase that seemed impossible to alienate. Angelos did it.

We may still be a decade or ten years away from that...and in the NFL, you have to try very hard to stink for ten years...but it's possible that at some point, the fans will just say "Enough of this!"

Well considering most have been fans since birth....
It would appear rather shady to stop being a fan now all of the sudden. We should be use to this. Look at the Cleveland Fanbase they have been mediocre for a while, fans still line up and go ApeS%!t on Sundays.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I think that that process was well on its way already.... they realized something was wrong... I think the walkout could have had some impact, but I think our situation is different...

I don't think (based upon the majority of the types of fans at fedex) that a walkout would ever happen. Too many casual fans at fedex field...


what makes you think that process was on its way? millen had been failing for almost a decade with no change in sight. same with the orioles and angelos was going on almost 15 years of failure.

and what makes our situation any different than the lions situation? i think its pretty much degrees of failure, and remember the lions did go 7-9 two seasons ago.

[Rocky52Mc]

If the players get hurt by the boos, then they should do something about it and win some games and not just eek out a victory on poo poo teams. They deserve to get booed. If they don't like it they can grow some thick skin or actually work harder and perform better. The workplace for them is not suppose to be all about fun and games. Its a job, sometimes heat is applied and you have to climb out of it.

You shouldn't boo your damn team after a win. You should celebrate that you won the game, we'll ****ing take it.

I swear to god, half the stadium who was booing was doing so because we were kneeling, because they're that stupid. There was legit people in my section BOOING because we weren't running the ball on the last play.

I was doing it right, I was in section 200 something and was not effected by the boo's because I didn't hear them. I was too busy running up and down my isle high fiveing everyone. I don't want to come off as an *******, but that's what fans DO when you win.

A win doesn't have to be perfect, a win doesn't have to not be questioned, all that matters is that there's a ****ing W next to that team you played on your schedule.

[MurrayH81]

I will have to say two things, after commenting in a wide variety of these threads:

1. If any player on the current Redskins roster thinks that the fans last Sunday were "booing" because the team "won" the game, they are too damn stupid to be wearing the Redskins uniform on gameday. I am sure that the players did not like to hear that (I know I wouldn't), and I am sure that they were very upset and angry at the end and directly after the game. They should reflect on their favorite cliche "This is a business". Well guess what, the customers spontaneously told them what they thought of the currently offered product. Now the organization can fix it, and get back to offering effort commensurate with the Product the fans want. I can totally guarantee they wouldn't be booed putting in the type of effort (win or lose) that fans expect.

2. Passionate fans and customers often offer feedback that is uncomfortable or difficult to hear. It is because they are passionate that they spend the effort to provide that feedback. Blindly accepting what you are offered as a consumer, regardless of your expectations or the diminishing quality/suitability of the product is just, plain dumb as well.

It's time for the organization and fans to be united again. Alas, only the organization can make the initial improvements.

[HailYeah]

It's been pointed out already, but if you want to see what the future could possibly hold for the Redskins...just drive an hour north to Camden Yards.

In 1996, the Orioles had a fanbase that seemed impossible to alienate. Angelos did it.

We may still be a decade or ten years away from that...and in the NFL, you have to try very hard to stink for ten years...but it's possible that at some point, the fans will just say "Enough of this!" DC is not the city it was in 1980. You have baseball and basketball and a real hockey team and more entertainment options and more transplants than ever. The Skins don't own the South anymore thanks to Carolina and New Orleans and Atlanta and Tennessee. The Ravens keep pushing their fanbase further south. (If I am ten years old and live in a Maryland suburb, I might become a Ravens fan at this point). The Steelers keep pushing further west. (Harrisburg and the Eastern Panhandle of WV seem to be firmly in Steeler Country right now).

(sigh). My two favorite sports teams. :doh:

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

do you actually have tickets?


i did in 07 and i was on the road too much last year to get them.

but theyre easy to get. its harder to get a table for 4 in tysons corner for dinner on friday night than it is to get skins season tickets from someone around here.

[Alvin_Walton40]

Well, you and your buddies been very productive this week, haven't you? Managed to piss off our best offensive player, eh?
As I said numerous times, I don't have a problem with booing. But there's a time and a place, and after a win is neither.
But hey, what do I know. Cooley's just a dumbass jock who should just do his job and shut up.
And when he decides to go do it elsewhere, oh well.
How stupid of the team to let him get away!

~Bang


I love Cooley but if that is why he leaves, so be it. That's the rub - he can leave to another team if he so chooses at the end of his contract. I will be a Skins fan long after he retires.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Surprisingly enough (or not surprisingly) he does seem to attend games and goes to away games, as do many people who are supposedly "haters". Meanwhile, it's usually the people who throw around the term "haters" that don't attend games.

I guess it makes sense. It's easier to root for your team no matter what if you have no vested interested in them, whether it be time or money.


i travel to philly every year for the skins game in full skins gear and take a verbal beating for four hours with my brother in the upperdeck.

but im not really a fan. lol

[fansince62]

Hey King...Bang......I can't speak for others.....but I know I have been following this team longer than 90% of those on this board. I find all the gibberish about "loving the B&G"...."B&G until death"..."speaking as one fandom".....to be silly. I grew up with these cats. There is loyalty. There are emotional runs up and down the spectrum. But there is the appreciation for execution...for well laid plans...for athletic excellence......I demand the most from myself in everything I do and expect the same from others. This is my team...born into them you might say.....but that doesn't mean I drop my standards and ways of approaching life. this team has achieved very little of substance for nigh on 17 years now. it is high time we all started demanding execellence and stopped making excuses.

[Dan T.]

I'll say it again. The booing was the result of unrealistic expectations. People really believed this team might be good. And a good team shouldn't struggle in their home opener against the lowly St. Louis Rams.

As the players have told us, our expectations were too high. We should have been happy for that win.

And now we know that this team really isn't very good, that they will have to fight hard for any win they get, regardless of the opponent. I'll still root for them every Sunday. The difference is that now I know that they really aren't a very good football team, so I won't be quite so frustrated when they do struggle to pull out a win against the Lions.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Well considering most have been fans since birth....
It would appear rather shady to stop being a fan now all of the sudden. We should be use to this. Look at the Cleveland Fanbase they have been mediocre for a while, fans still line up and go ApeS%!t on Sundays.


they had a nice 8 year break didnt they?

[sgf21]

Really, to me what it looks like, is the players recognize the need for improvement, but they also recognize they aren't as bad as some people are claiming. I think that's a healthy way to look at things. I also think their comments about needing to improve are being glossed over because players like Cooley are saying they aren't that bad.

Can a player not believe the team needs to improve while also beleiving the team is pretty good?

And if you want to play the "If this happened then this would have happened" game as you've done with the Rams game, I can just as easily claim had receivers held onto passes in the redzone, the booing doesn't even happen.

My point was the we played bad; our players were dropping balls, our QB was almost sacked for a safety, we couldn't get into the end zone. It took some luck (Horton causing the fumble) for us to be able to escape with the win.

Cooley is right we aren't that bad. But a 8-8 team ends up watching the playoffs just like a 2-14 team. We finished last in our division last year. We aren't playing sound football. We aren't playing the kind of football that will take our team deep into the playoffs or to the playoffs at all.

[jkypoo]

It seems like the booing has had an impact on the players and maybe they'll be fired up on Sunday.

No. No it didn't.
The only thing the booing did was prove that drinking and cheering is a dangerous combination: It's easy to get it wrong.
Nothing the Redskins do this season will be the result of what a small number of fans with questionable intelligence did last Sunday.
If the Redskins go on a winning streak where they consistently put points (TDs?) on the board, then it is because they are a legitimately good football team that has been working out some "kinks."
The boo-birds get credit for nothing except for discrediting Redskin fans.

[drtdrums]

All I would say to the team, in response to Chris, is, "Show me, don't tell me."

If the offense lays another egg like that, you'll have to seriously reconsider your "Bull****" position.

[Destino]

It is really unusual for me to line up on the homer side of the ball but lately I've had no choice. Things need to get back to normal before I get used to this.

I can't support booing the team AFTER they win they game however. Cooley is 100% correct in his statement.

[skinsdude]

No. No it didn't.
The only thing the booing did was prove that drinking and cheering is a dangerous combination: It's easy to get it wrong.
Nothing the Redskins do this season will be the result of what a small number of fans with questionable intelligence did last Sunday.
If the Redskins go on a winning streak where they consistently put points (TDs?) on the board, then it is because they are a legitimately good football team that has been working out some "kinks."
The boo-birds get credit for nothing except for discrediting Redskin fans.

Wow, this one really got a laugh out of me. Thanks.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Again, fans aren't just mad at week 1 and 2 of this season

Its the entire picture of how this team has been run for a decade.

The frustration of the fans is just starting to really come out and rear its ugly head

Thats why I say the organization has lost the fan base. We are all pissed now

But Zorn and Cooley and Portis and Robert Henson shouldn't have to answer for things that went on before their time here. I understand you feel that Snyder does which is much more reasonable...but when you boo the front-office, it's going to seem like you're booing the guys on the field.

[fansince62]

My point was the we played bad; our players were dropping balls, our QB was almost sacked for a safety, we couldn't get into the end zone. It took some luck (Horton causing the fumble) for us to be able to escape with the win.

Cooley is right we aren't that bad. But a 8-8 team ends up watching the playoffs just like a 2-14 team. We finished last in our division last year. We aren't playing sound football. We aren't playing the kind of football that will take our team deep into the playoffs or to the playoffs at all.

sgf21....giving Elk his due as an optimist.....the problem I have with the quoted post is that is what we observe every season. when is this team going to move from learning mode into contender (if not championship) mode? it's just been one unending litany of excuses every year. it's well past time to move off that stick and into professional mode where bonehead penalties, dropped passes, QB fumbles, etc., are the seldom seen freak ocurrence....not the "needs improvement" focus area we have been observing for what seems like forever.

we have been watching this same act forever....long before JC ever arrived on the scene.

[Bang]

?

i have no problem with cooley saying what he said. as far as I'm concerned, Cooley's one of the few who's actually doing their job and living up to expectations.

But you keep holding on to your precious 2 point wins, and hope for better. I'll keep demanding this team return to being anything other than the laughing stock of the NFL.

Players come here to get paid - not to win. Players take paycuts to go to the patriots and steelers. They leave the team they've been with for 5-8 years to come here for a bigger contract.

Lavar said it himself - someone who loves the redskins, and the players on it. Thats the way the other players in the NFL look at the redskins.

Yeah, you keep being ok witht he current ownership. Let me know how many years you need - personally 10 is enough for me.

You really read a lot into what I've actually said.
Really. I've never said even ONE of the things you're alluding to.

Far as I'm concerned you've said you plan on shooting the Pope. Don't deny it. Its all right there in what you've not said.
And until you own up to it, I see no point in continuing a discussion if all you'll do is fall back on what I haven't said to try and make your point.

Once more, with feeling.
I have no problem with fans booing. I don't think booing after a win is good form. I don't see it as the time or the place.
With me so far? I hope so, but in case you still don't understand I will be publishing Cliff's Notes.

As it is, we the fans in our demand for better have caused one big fat distraction for a team that has a lot of work to do.

~Bang

[Destino]

All I would say to the team, in response to Chris, is, "Show me, don't tell me."

If the offense lays another egg like that, you'll have to seriously reconsider your "Bull****" position.

Chris Cooley so far

Tied for 1st in receptions with 14.
3rd in receiving yards with 151.
Currently tied for 7th with 1 TD behind 6 way tie for 1st with 2TDs

I'd say he's shown it pretty damn well.

[ST is my boy]

no

thats not all we can do.

those of us that go to the game can do more.

we can show our frustrations to the organization, in person, on game day.

i don't think you get it...

do you remember what the lions fans did? how they turned their owner/organization into an embarassment?

the same can, and probably will, be done to snyder if things don't change. 18 years is a long time... and people are getting fed up. People are already abandoning season tickets, teh skins are struggling to fill seats, and if this continues for another few years I would seriously expect blackouts - hell it might not even take that long. the stadium had WAY too many open season for an home opener... and thats because the people with tickets didn't even bother to come. They ate the cost, and just didn't even come. I'm not talking about the cheap seats either, there were plenty of open seats in the lower levels all game long.

when people start wearing bags over their heads, and the stadium is empty, snyder will have turned this organization into a laughing stock - and will be forced to fix it one way or another.


like you, i pray that doesn't happen - i really really really do. but to think that the fans are helpless to force/spark change, is a little naive. Washington plays a lot of prime time games this year at home. 3 against division rivals. there is plenty of oportunity to embarass snyder if we (the ticket holders) choose to do so.

I dont think the right way to spark change is calling players and coaches idiots, terrible, overpaid morons.....ect.

It just makes all of us fans look totally retarded as a whole. It sucks we are getting made fun of on almost every messege board and radio station out there. Not the players or the organization......but the fans.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Well considering most have been fans since birth....
It would appear rather shady to stop being a fan now all of the sudden. We should be use to this. Look at the Cleveland Fanbase they have been mediocre for a while, fans still line up and go ApeS%!t on Sundays.

Cleveland won't put up with the losing forever.

I have a feeling that when November rolls around and Lebron is putting up triple doubles while Brady Quinn is throwing passes to himself, the Dawg Pound is going to be a little quiet.

Cleveland has a long-time, dedicated fanbase. And it was energized when the team was taken away.

But give them two or three more years of awful football and see if they still want to fill that joint?

This is not 1978. Fans are smarter, more fickle and have a lot more options now.

[HailYeah]

I will have to say two things, after commenting in a wide variety of these threads:

1. If any player on the current Redskins roster thinks that the fans last Sunday were "booing" because the team "won" the game, they are too damn stupid to be wearing the Redskins uniform on gameday. I am sure that the players did not like to hear that (I know I wouldn't), and I am sure that they were very upset and angry at the end and directly after the game. They should reflect on their favorite cliche "This is a business". Well guess what, the customers spontaneously told them what they thought of the currently offered product. Now the organization can fix it, and get back to offering effort commensurate with the Product the fans want. I can totally guarantee they wouldn't be booed putting in the type of effort (win or lose) that fans expect.

2. Passionate fans and customers often offer feedback that is uncomfortable or difficult to hear. It is because they are passionate that they spend the effort to provide that feedback. Blindly accepting what you are offered as a consumer, regardless of your expectations or the diminishing quality/suitability of the product is just, plain dumb as well.

It's time for the organization and fans to be united again. Alas, only the organization can make the initial improvements.

Good post. Sunday's booing wasn't about winning, or not winning by enough points. Of course we like winning and are not taking it for granted. Sunday was about the whole damn product being piss poor.

When you go to a boxing match, you want to see a good fight - or at least one guy get his ass beat. Thats what you're paying for. When you go to an NFL game with all its inconveniences - the ticket costs, the parking, the traffic, the crowd, the walking, the heat, the TV timeouts (oh, God! the TV timeouts!) - the very least you expect is to see two teams fight it out for glory. I witnessed two girls in an open-palmed slapping contest on Sunday. Boo.

[xMONKx]

I love my man Cooley.. But man, show some professionalism. We haven't won a Divisional Championship in this century. Do you think we have reason, Mr. Cooley!?

How can we get Haynesworth and still be atrocious, yet the Giants get a scrub like Canty and they are world beaters.

And what's up with that dude Manningham on Sunday nite? Did someone do a stem cell transfer, from the Manning brothers Momma, and put it in his cool aid? That kid is no joke.

Now if only Cooley can drink from the same bottle...which i am going to do now -- Snyder has me going back to AA meetings...

[pez]

You know, I think KingGibbs is right... I am just gonna start ignoring the folks who want to piss and moan the entire time... I am tired of trying to convince people that they don't need to sit in their own cesspool of misery.

I myself will continue to be optimistic that things can and will turn around. I will still critique things after games and after the season is over (no not with rose colored glasses), but I will not let it turn me into a bitter fan and I will never boo my team.

[JaimeDeCurry]

This is a team that's scored 3 touchdowns in their last 5 home games, and just beat conceivably the worst team in the NFL by 2 points while yet again not getting into the end zone.

At some point the people associated with the team have to realize that there is going to be gross fan dissatisfaction. If it weren't for our defense over the past few years, this team would be being mentioned in the same sentence as the Lions, Raiders, Rams, etc.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

It just makes all of us fans look totally retarded as a whole. It sucks we are getting made fun of on almost every messege board and radio station out there. Not the players or the organization......but the fans.


most other teams fans know that the general consensus in redskins land is that we always think everything is ok and "getting better", which is why we get laughed at when we fail.

and the media isnt making fun of the fans, the fans didnt score 9 points against the rams.

[Maximus71]

I love my man Cooley.. But man, show some professionalism. We haven't won a Divisional Championship in this century. Do you think we have reason, Mr. Cooley!?

How can we get Haynesworth and still be atrocious, yet the Giants get a scrub like Canty and they are world beaters.

And what's up with that dude Manningham on Sunday nite? Did someone do a stem cell transfer, from the Manning brothers Momma, and put it in his cool aid? That kid is no joke.

Now if only Cooley can drink from the same bottle...which i am going to do now -- Snyder has me going back to AA meetings...


Nice try, go back to the Giant's message board.

:finger::banhim::troll:

[Bang]

It's been pointed out already, but if you want to see what the future could possibly hold for the Redskins...just drive an hour north to Camden Yards.

In 1996, the Orioles had a fanbase that seemed impossible to alienate. Angelos did it.

We may still be a decade or ten years away from that...and in the NFL, you have to try very hard to stink for ten years...but it's possible that at some point, the fans will just say "Enough of this!" DC is not the city it was in 1980. You have baseball and basketball and a real hockey team and more entertainment options and more transplants than ever. The Skins don't own the South anymore thanks to Carolina and New Orleans and Atlanta and Tennessee. The Ravens keep pushing their fanbase further south. (If I am ten years old and live in a Maryland suburb, I might become a Ravens fan at this point). The Steelers keep pushing further west. (Harrisburg and the Eastern Panhandle of WV seem to be firmly in Steeler Country right now).
I'm an Orioles fan. The differences between Snyder and Angelos are legion.
Snyder actually tries. We can debate all day to his methods, but he tries.
Angelos quit. He decided that having the team was enough to make him happy, and he spent five years getting rid of every single decent prospect that ever came to Baltimore. He wanted to keep payroll low, and make a higher profit as a result.

There's HUGE differences between the two.

Now, if anyone wants to claim that the Redskins aren't trying, that would be laughable. They have plenty of problems, but I really don't think anyone is just loafing it.

~Bang

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Well, my blood pressure is fine, thanks for the concern.
Everyone has every right to boo the players after a win that isn't up to standards. Fans have every right to try and send messages to ownership.
And fans should expect that when they do, they run the risk of alienating the very players we claim to cheer for.
And here we are.
Like I said earlier,, people love this team so much that now it is beginning to hate them. What a lovely state of affairs.

~Bang

I think this hits the nail on the head.

Fans pay good money and can choose to conduct themselves any way they see fit. But they have to be OK with the consequences. You can't have it both ways...booing the team and ripping them on message boards and then always be referred to as "the best fans in the NFL" by players, coaches, and ownership.

It's a free country so you can boo all you want...but nobody has to like it or respect you for doing it.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Cleveland won't put up with the losing forever.

I have a feeling that when November rolls around and Lebron is putting up triple doubles while Brady Quinn is throwing passes to himself, the Dawg Pound is going to be a little quiet.

Cleveland has a long-time, dedicated fanbase. And it was energized when the team was taken away.

But give them two or three more years of awful football and see if they still want to fill that joint?

This is not 1978. Fans are smarter, more fickle and have a lot more options now.


thats whats even worse about having the ravens down the street, who now seem to have some high powered offense from out of nowhere. the younger kids who have no loyalty yet are going to shift to them because theyre the better team which is what young kids generally do without parental guidance of who to root for.

im praying this is a wake up call for snyder. i know that gets said every season, but i dont remember this much disappointment early on in a season.

[DieselPwr44]

And some of you here wonder why Joe Gibbs wanted everything kept in-house and wanted players speaking in "coach speak" only..................

[skinsdude]

most other teams fans know that the general consensus in redskins land is that we always think everything is ok and "getting better", which is why we get laughed at when we fail.

and the media isnt making fun of the fans, the fans didnt score 9 points against the rams.

I agree. I refuse to sit in the corner trying to convince myself that everything is going to be fine.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I'm an Orioles fan. The differences between Snyder and Angelos are legion.
Snyder actually tries. We can debate all day to his methods, but he tries.
Angelos quit. He decided that having the team was enough to make him happy, and he spent five years getting rid of every single decent prospect that ever came to Baltimore. He wanted to keep payroll low, and make a higher profit as a result.

There's HUGE differences between the two.

Now, if anyone wants to claim that the Redskins aren't trying, that would be laughable. They have plenty of problems, but I really don't think anyone is just loafing it.

~Bang


being an O's fan, dont you think bringing in mcphail who seems completely dedicated to restocking the farm system proves that he "cares"?

[KingGibbs]

I think this hits the nail on the head.

Fans pay good money and can choose to conduct themselves any way they see fit. But they have to be OK with the consequences. You can't have it both ways...booing the team and ripping them on message boards and then always be referred to as "the best fans in the NFL" by players, coaches, and ownership.

It's a free country so you can boo all you want...but nobody has to like it or respect you for doing it.

You know what the ironic part is? Philthy fans boo their team any chance they get even when they are winning. Yet, they are considered some of the most loyal and diehard fans out there. Go figure.

[Tennessee Ed]

Wow. What a long week.
Anybody remember the Hall Of Fame Game in Canton last year?

Winning cures everything. I'm with Cooley on this one.

:bsflag:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

You know, I think KingGibbs is right... I am just gonna start ignoring the folks who want to piss and moan the entire time... I am tired of trying to convince people that they don't need to sit in their own cesspool of misery.

I myself will continue to be optimistic that things can and will turn around. I will still critique things after games and after the season is over (no not with rose colored glasses), but I will not let it turn me into a bitter fan and I will never boo my team.

I might have to join you bro. It's becoming way too tiring trying to share optimism with people who'd prefer to assume the worst is about to happen. Things are far from perfect, but I'd rather hope and think that the good times are right around the corner.

[xMONKx]

I have been a long time lurker and joined a year ago.. If your calling me out as a troll my friend, you have bigger issues than the fans who are getting the bad press. I'll keep my comments to myself. You guys are harsh..

[Bang]

being an O's fan, dont you think bringing in mcphail who seems completely dedicated to restocking the farm system proves that he "cares"?

Yes it does, finally. I was talking about the years in which he flat out let the team flounder. Angelos finally figured out that winning made more money then just showing up.

The difference between him and Snyder isn't results, it's methods. Snyder has tried, we have to give him that. Again, we can argue his method all day long, but he does try to field a competitive team, which is something Angelos couldn't be bothered with for a good while.
(one of the first things Snyder should do is take a cue from Angelos and hire a real GM)

~Bang

[TD_washingtonredskins]

You know what the ironic part is? Philthy fans boo their team any chance they get even when they are winning. Yet, they are considered some of the most loyal and diehard fans out there. Go figure.

I think Philly fans have a horrible reputation. Passionate, yes. Loyal, no.

[Rocky52Mc]

I think Philly fans have a horrible reputation. Passionate, yes. Loyal, no.

They're actually pretty overrated to be honest with you. :eaglesuck

[KingGibbs]

I think Philly fans have a horrible reputation. Passionate, yes. Loyal, no.

I would think that passionate and loyal go hand in hand? Just my opinion.

[MattFancy]

Yes it does, finally. I was talking about the years in which he flat out let the team flounder. Angelos figured out that winning made more money then just showing up.

The difference between him and Snyder isn't results, it's methods. Snyder has tried, we have to give him that. Again, we can argue his method all day long, but he does try to field a competitive team, which is something Angelos couldn't be bothered with for a good while.
(one of the first things Snyder should do is take a cue from Angelos and hire a real GM)

~Bang

As an O's fan too, I agree with you. The main difference is that Snyder honestly thinks he's helping the team and doing everything he can to win. He isn't worried about spending money, which alot of owners don't do. You can't fault Snyder for trying. Maybe he's doing do it the "right" way, but he's at least putting in the effort.

[titus3]

Things are far from perfect, but I'd rather hope and think that the good times are right around the corner.

Couldn't agree with you more on this one. After all, we've played only 2 games an we're 1-1.

[blue collar]

It really shows the overall attitude of this team when they say they are happy with a 9-7 win over one of the worst teams in the NFL.

That attitude is the acceptance of mediocrity. It has been that way ever since I remember

Amen brotha.

[Shilsu]

Amen brotha.

It's no different from when the Redskins started the season 3-1 in 2003 and everyone from the coach to the player to the fans spit out the mantra "I rather be lucky than good". Idiots.

[Rhodus333]

I'll say it again. The booing was the result of unrealistic expectations. People really believed this team might be good. And a good team shouldn't struggle in their home opener against the lowly St. Louis Rams.

As the players have told us, our expectations were too high. We should have been happy for that win.

And now we know that this team really isn't very good, that they will have to fight hard for any win they get, regardless of the opponent. I'll still root for them every Sunday. The difference is that now I know that they really aren't a very good football team, so I won't be quite so frustrated when they do struggle to pull out a win against the Lions.

Who's responsible for those unrealistic expectations though. All offseason all we heard from the players was how much easier everything was with a year of zorns offense under their belt. How teams are gonna have to account for kelly and thomas, how campbell looks light years ahead of last season, how Hall will have double digit interceptions, etc. The fans had high expectations because of the players, and when they didn't back it up on the field, of course they were dissapointed. They dug their own grave so to speak. I don't think theyre not trying, but it doesn't look like theyve improved at all since last seasons dissapointing ending and fans want to know why the players continue to think theyre the best when they haven't proved it in a long time.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Who's responsible for those unrealistic expectations though. All offseason all we heard from the players was how much easier everything was with a year of zorns offense under their belt. How teams are gonna have to account for kelly and thomas, how campbell looks light years ahead of last season, how Hall will have double digit interceptions, etc. The fans had high expectations because of the players, and when they didn't back it up on the field, of course they were dissapointed. They dug their own grave so to speak. I don't think theyre not trying, but it doesn't look like theyve improved at all since last seasons dissapointing ending and fans want to know why the players continue to think theyre the best when they haven't proved it in a long time.

I disagree with this. They SHOULD believe they are going to be good. They SHOULD believe that every off-season acquisition should upgrade this roster.

It's on the fans to watch the scrimmage and pre-season games and come up with their own expectations. Don't look to the team for reasonable expectations. Every team should EXPECT to make the playoffs and contend. If they don't, there are problems.

I had (and still have) double-digit win expectations. If I'm disappointed in November or December, it's my fault. Not Snyder's, not Cooley's, not Campbell's, and not Zorn's.

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

I don't like players with all of these outlets. Blogs. Twitter. Whatever.

Fans will be fans. Media will be media. For guys who make millions of dollars playing a rough game, some of them sure do have some thin skin.

Really man, this is starting to irritate me. Just do your job as players and shut the hell up. I am so sick of hearing almost every player this week say something along the lines of "we are 1-1 and this whole town has given up on us" or "boo us when we lose not when we win". Every player I hear with the exception of Fletcher and a couple others has made a little comment about how this fanbase and town has already given up on them, and how ridiculous it is.

Do not even comment on it as players, you should be saying "we have to go out and do better" that’s it. You don’t come on your blogs or whatever and tell us fans and media that what we have been thinking and saying is "all bulls***".

Portis talks about jumping on and off the bandwagon, and stop throwing them all under the bus. What bandwagon!? When you have been bad for as long as the skins have, anyone that is still here showing anger and frustration with the team is on whatever bandwagon there is.

These players act like we should give them undying faith and support, and that it’s just our job to cheer them on no matter what. We are 1-1 and the season might turn out to be a great one, and if it is I better not hear from any players I told ya so. You can’t say told ya so when you have shown us little to no reason to have any sort of faith.

It is freedom of speech so say what you want Cooley and Portis, and all of you other players. I for one however, am sick of all of you not being able to take heat from fans and the media when you haven’t done a damn thing in the years you all have been here to defend your stance.

Win a division for us and then complain about how we are giving up on you at 1-1. Until then shut up.

[MattFancy]

Who's responsible for those unrealistic expectations though. All offseason all we heard from the players was how much easier everything was with a year of zorns offense under their belt. How teams are gonna have to account for kelly and thomas, how campbell looks light years ahead of last season, how Hall will have double digit interceptions, etc. The fans had high expectations because of the players, and when they didn't back it up on the field, of course they were dissapointed. They dug their own grave so to speak. I don't think theyre not trying, but it doesn't look like theyve improved at all since last seasons dissapointing ending and fans want to know why the players continue to think theyre the best when they haven't proved it in a long time.

Honestly, what did you want them to say?

"Well we're not going to be very good this year. So instead of having you guys suffer through all 16 games, we're just going to tell you now we're not going to win much."

It's only the 3rd week of the season. We're 1-1, just like we all thought we'd be after 2 games. Maybe we haven't played as well as we thought we would at this point, but we're still 1-1. The season is far from over.

[tshile]

I dont think the right way to spark change is calling players and coaches idiots, terrible, overpaid morons.....ect.

It just makes all of us fans look totally retarded as a whole. It sucks we are getting made fun of on almost every messege board and radio station out there. Not the players or the organization......but the fans.

i'm not saying we should call them terrible, idiots, and over paid morons.

but booing at the end of a terrible looking game seems fine to me.

there's no better way to show your disapointment with snyder than at the game. he's there, and he can't avoid the fact that its happening, or the reasons its happening.

complaining on the internet, or just refusing to buy tickets just doesn't seem as good of a way to do it. but thats my opinion.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Yes it does, finally. I was talking about the years in which he flat out let the team flounder. Angelos finally figured out that winning made more money then just showing up.

The difference between him and Snyder isn't results, it's methods. Snyder has tried, we have to give him that. Again, we can argue his method all day long, but he does try to field a competitive team, which is something Angelos couldn't be bothered with for a good while.
(one of the first things Snyder should do is take a cue from Angelos and hire a real GM)

~Bang


and im sure as an O's fan it feels pretty good to know that your owner FINALLY realizes how to attempt to build a winner. and i like the orioles as they were the only team around when i was a little kid, so as much as im die hard for the nats, i still have a soft spot in my heart for the orioles.

*dreams of chris hoiles walk off grand slam against the young arod and the mariners*

but back to football, youre saying that snyder is trying, but could you agree that his method does not seem to working? at the end of the day, trying and failing results in the same thing as not trying and failing. i guess the means are better in that snyder is attempting to win in a way that has proven to fail, but at the end of the day, the skins and Os are very similar.

and i agree, hiring a real GM would be ideal, which is exactly what angelos did after the orioles embarrassed him with that walkout. which leads back to my point that maybe snyder would get a clue with an intense message like that?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Honestly, what did you want them to say?

"Well we're not going to be very good this year. So instead of having you guys suffer through all 16 games, we're just going to tell you now we're not going to win much."

It's only the 3rd week of the season. We're 1-1, just like we all thought we'd be after 2 games. Maybe we haven't played as well as we thought we would at this point, but we're still 1-1. The season is far from over.


if youve read any comments from the nationals organization, you know what it sounds like to hear a team basically say "yeah, were gonna struggle". and im completely fine with that, when the team says 'were gonna struggle", i prepare my expectations based on them. anyone expecting the nats to contend was insane.

so when the skins come out and claim everything is firing away and how good its gonna be and how much better we are and blah blah, and then we see the making of a team thats really struggling, its hard to stomach.

and the nats issued a public apology for playing so poorly, snyder might wanna think about that (although its 99% that he wont do it). reading that apology from the nats showed that the front office cared and wanted to do anything to make the team better.

[jphilipj]

So what is Cooley gonna say after we lose to Detroit??

[Skinz4Life12]

So what is Cooley gonna say after we lose to Detroit??

:wtf: why would u say that?

[Rhodus333]

Honestly, what did you want them to say?

"Well we're not going to be very good this year. So instead of having you guys suffer through all 16 games, we're just going to tell you now we're not going to win much."

It's only the 3rd week of the season. We're 1-1, just like we all thought we'd be after 2 games. Maybe we haven't played as well as we thought we would at this point, but we're still 1-1. The season is far from over.

No. Like I said It doesn't suprise me that the players aren't happy with fans booing them. And its not that I don't think theyre trying. But if you say those types of comments in the offseason, then don't produce on the field, you have to expect that the fanbase will show its frustration. THATS what annoys me. Not that the players are upset by the booing, but that its so unexpected to them. That they don't understand why the fans would boo a 9 to 7 victory over arguably the worst team in the league when they themselves have told us to expect better from them.

[ST is my boy]

if youve read any comments from the nationals organization, you know what it sounds like to hear a team basically say "yeah, were gonna struggle". and im completely fine with that, when the team says 'were gonna struggle", i prepare my expectations based on them. anyone expecting the nats to contend was insane.

so when the skins come out and claim everything is firing away and how good its gonna be and how much better we are and blah blah, and then we see the making of a team thats really struggling, its hard to stomach.

and the nats issued a public apology for playing so poorly, snyder might wanna think about that (although its 99% that he wont do it). reading that apology from the nats showed that the front office cared and wanted to do anything to make the team better.

Baseball and Football are totally different.

You dont hear ANY football teams claiming they are going to struggle.

Pretty sure dudes on the Lions said they were going to the playoffs this year....

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

i'm not saying we should call them terrible, idiots, and over paid morons.

but booing at the end of a terrible looking game seems fine to me.

there's no better way to show your disapointment with snyder than at the game. he's there, and he can't avoid the fact that its happening, or the reasons its happening.

complaining on the internet, or just refusing to buy tickets just doesn't seem as good of a way to do it. but thats my opinion.

I agree. Declines in sales for the team can be attributed to a bunch of things, the economy being one of them. Internet complaining is fun, but I doubt Snyder pays too much attention to it. (Though Fassel is a good argument otherwise) Sitting at the game hearing the fans boo after a win has to be the best way to get Snyders attention, and also the teams. It lets them know this isnt one or two angry fans that are emailing or calling in, this is a seriously upset fan base.

[Pick6]

I would love to see more from the Skins, but with that said, if we won our next 14 games with a score of 9 - 7, then who am I to care. I am not going to go ****crazy over a win. And everyone who says the players just care about being paid, you should think about how much more money comes their way if they get in the playoffs.

[ACW]

Post pictures of Christy!:applause:

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Baseball and Football are totally different.

You dont hear ANY football teams claiming they are going to struggle.

Pretty sure dudes on the Lions said they were going to the playoffs this year....


how are they totally different in terms of expectations?

players saying things are different than organizations saying things. im pretty sure the lions know this is an "assess" season, which is why nobody is expecting anything crazy from them.

[HailYeah]

and im sure as an O's fan it feels pretty good to know that your owner FINALLY realizes how to attempt to build a winner. and i like the orioles as they were the only team around when i was a little kid, so as much as im die hard for the nats, i still have a soft spot in my heart for the orioles.

*dreams of chris hoiles walk off grand slam against the young arod and the mariners*



ah, you're one of the traitors! :silly:

[ST is my boy]

how are they totally different in terms of expectations?

players saying things are different than organizations saying things. im pretty sure the lions know this is an "assess" season, which is why nobody is expecting anything crazy from them.

The Nats players and organization might be saying "yea its going to be a tough year", and "were just a young team" after game 110 when they are already 20 games out of the division, but I doubt they have ever said it by game 3.

The skins are 1-1.....albeit an unimpressive 1-1.....but I still dont expect Cooley to come out and say "yea guys....get ready its gonna be a loooooooooong year" When there is only 16 games you are almost always still in it......

[[S.S.F. | Nero]]

I think Cooley has a good point.

98% of the people that form an opinion on football have absolutely no idea what is actually going on on a football field.

If they did, they would not be so quick to judge.

Losses are frustrating.

Winning when you don't play your best, makes you a winner.

We should expect to see a better game against Detroit.

Detroit has played 2 tough games so far, and they feel as if they are just a few plays away from being a solid team.

Any given sunday...

[bubba9497]

Cooley is a Homer


:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[Bang]

and im sure as an O's fan it feels pretty good to know that your owner FINALLY realizes how to attempt to build a winner. and i like the orioles as they were the only team around when i was a little kid, so as much as im die hard for the nats, i still have a soft spot in my heart for the orioles.

*dreams of chris hoiles walk off grand slam against the young arod and the mariners*

but back to football, youre saying that snyder is trying, but could you agree that his method does not seem to working? at the end of the day, trying and failing results in the same thing as not trying and failing. i guess the means are better in that snyder is attempting to win in a way that has proven to fail, but at the end of the day, the skins and Os are very similar.

and i agree, hiring a real GM would be ideal, which is exactly what angelos did after the orioles embarrassed him with that walkout. which leads back to my point that maybe snyder would get a clue with an intense message like that?

I'll agree with you all day on that. I do think Snyder gets a bit of a bad rap for being nothing but a fantasy player, and my main arguments against his method comes from the GM slot, in evaluatingt talent and finding pieces that fit together.

We'll argue about the QB, BLC, but not this. A first rate GM/ Head Coach team is essential. I don't know what Dan sees in Vinny, but it ain't workin'. I hope it's not because Vinny is a toady that will do as his master says.. I have to hope as a fan that when the day comes that Snyder DOES wise up to Vinny, he'll hire a pro and work with him, rather then forcing the new GM to work with him.

~Bang

(On a side note, it really IS good to have McPhail in Baltimore. I have faith the pitching will take time, but he'll find it. then we can think about getting over .500 for a change.)

[Bang]

;6792856']

Winning when you don't play your best, makes you a winner.



Imagine that!

Fine post.

~Bang

[elkabong82]

My point was the we played bad; our players were dropping balls, our QB was almost sacked for a safety, we couldn't get into the end zone. It took some luck (Horton causing the fumble) for us to be able to escape with the win.

Cooley is right we aren't that bad. But a 8-8 team ends up watching the playoffs just like a 2-14 team. We finished last in our division last year. We aren't playing sound football. We aren't playing the kind of football that will take our team deep into the playoffs or to the playoffs at all.

And I agree with you on this. We need to play better. The players have said the same thing. But that also doesn't mean a player, especially a good one who plays his ass off every game, can't express displeasure in the fans booing after a win when the team is in victory formation, nor does it mean a player can't highlight the positives and believe in his team.

They know they need to get better, but they also know they have the ability to be great, it seems many of the fans have forgotten that. And booing during a lousy performance is fine, but not at the very end when the team is sealing the deal. That's why so many have been upset with the fans, it's not that they booed, it's that they did so as the team was kneeling for the win. Any point before then is fine. It's clear distinction, I guess some get it and some don't.

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

;6792856']I think Cooley has a good point.

98% of the people that form an opinion on football have absolutely no idea what is actually going on on a football field.

If they did, they would not be so quick to judge.

Losses are frustrating.

Winning when you don't play your best, makes you a winner.

We should expect to see a better game against Detroit.

Detroit has played 2 tough games so far, and they feel as if they are just a few plays away from being a solid team.

Any given sunday...

So you come out and say that a lot of what the fans are saying and media is saying is "all bs"?

When did these players feel the right to tell people they are over reacting or giving up too easy when they have not shown us anything to think otherwise? It is one thing to have this kind of fanbase/media reaction to a team that has won divisions recently and won some playoff games. It is quite another to get on a blog and tell a bunch of people there giving up and negative comments are all bs when the team has not given the fans anything for years. If we we had the wins the eagles did in the last decade, then I would say we are over reacting. Fact is, we have not won anything for a long time now so dont tell me some of the things I feel are a bunch of bs.

When Cooley and the team win playoff games, and then the next year we go 1-1 and people are mad like we are now, THEN he can tell us all to chill out.

[Dirty#30]

So you come out and say that a lot of what the fans are saying and media is saying is "all bs"?

When did these players feel the right to tell people they are over reacting or giving up too easy when they have not shown us anything to think otherwise? It is one thing to have this kind of fanbase/media reaction to a team that has won divisions recently and won some playoff games. It is quite another to get on a blog and tell a bunch of people there giving up and negative comments are all bs when the team has not given the fans anything for years. If we we had the wins the eagles did in the last decade, then I would say we are over reacting. Fact is, we have not won anything for a long time now so dont tell me some of the things I feel are a bunch of bs.

When Cooley and the team win playoff games, and then the next year we go 1-1 and people are mad like we are now, THEN he can tell us all to chill out.

Well.....put the shoe on the other foot Bud! I still can't believe we have this much turmoil after a win. Funny if you really think about it. WE WON PEOPLE!!!!!!! good grief...........

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I'll agree with you all day on that. I do think Snyder gets a bit of a bad rap for being nothing but a fantasy player, and my main arguments against his method comes from the GM slot, in evaluatingt talent and finding pieces that fit together.

We'll argue about the QB, BLC, but not this. A first rate GM/ Head Coach team is essential. I don't know what Dan sees in Vinny, but it ain't workin'. I hope it's not because Vinny is a toady that will do as his master says.. I have to hope as a fan that when the day comes that Snyder DOES wise up to Vinny, he'll hire a pro and work with him, rather then forcing the new GM to work with him.

~Bang

(On a side note, it really IS good to have McPhail in Baltimore. I have faith the pitching will take time, but he'll find it. then we can think about getting over .500 for a change.)


:cheers:

agreed 100%. snyder has no clue what he could have in this town. look at the fan base that was handed to him, its enormous, storied, and loyal even through all this nonsense. all he needs to do is a hire a GM and say "this is my guy, i trust him to build a winner". if it doesnt work at first you wont see me complaining, all i wanna see is a different approach. i get what you were saying about the trying vs doing nothing at all, but snyders way does not and has not worked. id be in snyders corner if he simply just tried something else.

and how can anyone around here not like the Os even if theyre a nats fan? who wants to root for the sox or the yankees!! *gags*