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DannyUpper90
September-28th-2009, 09:52 AM
I think about teams like Baltimore, Philly, New England, and (with Parcells recently coming there, to an extent) Miami who are able to get successful results because of the personnel that's in place.

I am STILL baffled as to what we were doing in the 2008 draft. Why did we draft 2 wideouts and a tide end and, if we are still convinced that we should have followed this strategy (and not drafted O-Line personnel which is what we really need), here are some offensive players that were available (vs who we drafted) and how they're doing with their respected teams:

34. Washington Redskins- Devin Thomas (1 reception 7 yards)
44. Chicago Bears- Matt Forte (150 rushing yards 73 receiving yards)
48. Washington Redskins-Fred Davis (2 receptions 11 yards)
49. Philadelphia Eagles- DeSean Jackson (48 rushing yards 259 receiving yards 2 receiving TDs 1 return TD)
51. Washington Redskins-Malcolm Kelly (6 receptions 65 yards)
55. Baltimore Ravens- Ray Rice (192 rushing yards 85 receiving yards 1 td)

You can throw every excuse out there... "Eagles have a better QB". Really? Kolb is better than Campbell? Kolb- Round 2 Pick 36 in 2007. Campbell- Round 1 Pick 25 in 2005.

2007 Draft? We took Laron Landry over Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch.

2006 Draft wasn't too bad with Rocky McIntosh probably the best linebacker available but he still hasn't panned out IMO, I'd love for someone to prove me wrong...

2005 Draft we took Campbell and Rogers. Players that were still available include Aaron Rogers, Fabian Washington, Roddy White...

My question is: Are we failing to develop the talent, or are we not scouting the talent well enough in your opinion?

Are we not scouting, or not coaching?

Would Ozzie Newsome, Bill Parcells, or anyone else have done a better job making draft picks, or is it a case where they would have done the same and the draft picks just aren't being coached correctly?

I find it hard to believe that Adrian Peterson is just in a good spot in Minnesota, that Desean Jackson is a marque receiver in his second year just because he has a good QB, and that Matt Forte wasn't the best all-around back in the NFL last year because Chicago had a better coach and not that THEY'RE BETTER PLAYERS and we're making HORRIBLE personnel decisions.
Lombardi's_kid_brother
September-28th-2009, 09:56 AM
Every team can play this "we should have drafted x over y" game. That does no one any good.

Grabbing three pass catcher in the first 51 picks WAS a little strange - even at the time.
Riggo#44
September-28th-2009, 09:59 AM
Two words: Vinny Cerrato.
mnb123
September-28th-2009, 09:59 AM
Rocky has arguably been our 2nd or 3rd best player on D this year, apart from Fletcher and maybe Horton.

Dude is playing out of his mind
Gibbsisgod2006
September-28th-2009, 09:59 AM
I don't blame the Redskins for not taking Desean Jackson he is a small type wr.
MattFancy
September-28th-2009, 10:01 AM
I agree with LKB, you can't sit here after the fact and say we should've drafted so and so. You could do that with any team and any player, it doesn't prove much except for that the draft is a crapshoot.

I do agree to an extent that we seem to not be able to develop talent, especially along the lines. That's mostly due to the fact that we don't draft many players along the OL and DL. That needs to change in a hurry. Will it? Doubtful. Going into next year's draft we'll probably need a QB, OL, and a RB. Portis is getting too banged up and we need some speed at the RB position. So I feel like OL will get ignored again next year.
Buford
September-28th-2009, 10:02 AM
breaking news. Vinny Cerrato wouldn't be hired by another NFL Franchise.
DannyUpper90
September-28th-2009, 10:17 AM
Rocky has arguably been our 2nd or 3rd best player on D this year, apart from Fletcher and maybe Horton.

Dude is playing out of his mind

Not saying much looking at the way our D is playing so far....
Wildbunny
September-28th-2009, 10:20 AM
And Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd Round, 82 overall, which means every teams passed on him at least twice.

Tom Brady? Round 6 Pick 199 in 2000...

Just for these two guys, a lots of people should be fired then no?
deejaydana
September-28th-2009, 10:23 AM
The thing is I feel with our continual coaching carousel that we could draft the real gems and then completely neutralize their talents with our play calling. I'm sure right now on our roster we have a few guys---on both sides of the ball---who would immediately improve their stats were they playing elsewhere.
DannyUpper90
September-28th-2009, 10:31 AM
And Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd Round, 82 overall, which means every teams passed on him at least twice.

Tom Brady? Round 6 Pick 199 in 2000...

Just for these two guys, a lots of people should be fired then no?

Just 2 guys? Name a draft pick that we've made in the past 4-6 years that we could look at and say "he's the best _____ in the NFC east"...
TGI Jef
September-28th-2009, 10:34 AM
i dont thnk you can look at it as narrowly as "name one pick who we can say 'he is the best ______ in the nfc east'"

yes, we have failed to deliver many home runs, but we have made some picks that have really been awesome.

you think dallas or philly fans dont want horton? should their decision makers be fired, or was that a great pick on our part instead of just everyone else pissing the bed?

i think the team has drafted pretty good players - just wish more of them were offensive linemen
Wildbunny
September-28th-2009, 10:48 AM
Just 2 guys? Name a draft pick that we've made in the past 4-6 years that we could look at and say "he's the best _____ in the NFC east"...

Chris Cooley.
Sean Taylor.
DannyUpper90
September-28th-2009, 10:56 AM
Chris Cooley.
Sean Taylor.

Um... Sean Taylor is obviously not the best anything in the any division...

And is Cooley the best tight end in the NFC east right now?
DannyUpper90
September-28th-2009, 10:58 AM
i dont thnk you can look at it as narrowly as "name one pick who we can say 'he is the best ______ in the nfc east'"

yes, we have failed to deliver many home runs, but we have made some picks that have really been awesome.

you think dallas or philly fans dont want horton? should their decision makers be fired, or was that a great pick on our part instead of just everyone else pissing the bed?

i think the team has drafted pretty good players - just wish more of them were offensive linemen

My thing is... other teams who drafted players at the same time as ours are making impacts and helping their teams, specifically the 2008 draft, and ours are not. In my opinion, last year's draft, if it was Cerrato's decision, should be the last straw if the lack of production stays like this.
skinsfan_1215
September-28th-2009, 11:01 AM
Um... Sean Taylor is obviously not the best anything in the any division...

And is Cooley the best tight end in the NFC east right now?

Right, because Sean's death was something we should have foreseen when he drafted him... :rolleyes: What a douche comment.

And Cooley is the best TE in the NFCE, but it's close with Witten.

You could also argue that Landry is the best FS in the NFCE now. He's been hit or miss so far this season, but then again so was Sean Taylor in his 3rd year in the league.
DannyUpper90
September-28th-2009, 01:41 PM
Right, because Sean's death was something we should have foreseen when he drafted him... :rolleyes: What a douche comment.

And Cooley is the best TE in the NFCE, but it's close with Witten.

You could also argue that Landry is the best FS in the NFCE now. He's been hit or miss so far this season, but then again so was Sean Taylor in his 3rd year in the league.

So we have the best TE in the NFC East.

None of our receivers are first or second-team NFC East nor are they showing the potential to be, our running game is among the league's worst let alone the worst in our division, and we have the fourth-best NFC East QB as of right now. Our defense is among the worst in the conference.

Why all of the high expectations? When it comes down to it, we have a few above-average players and a first-time head coach...