Quietly - Gregg Williams has gotten Saints to excel at defense

[fosback]

The skins defense sorely misses a Gregg Williams type who came up with creative schemes to overcome deficiencies with our defense.

Gregg Williams has taken a sorry Saints defense and made it look more than respectable.

[Spartacus87]

The Saints score a million points a game with Drew Brees' arm leading the way.

They've always had plain awful defenses. If Williams can just get that defense to average it'd look a lot better than it really is as long as other teams are playing catch up to them and having to pass all the time.

[tiger187126]

week 1 27 PA against detroit
week 2 22 PA against Philly (missing players, westbrook went out injured iirc and mcnabb was out
week 3 7 PA against buffalo, held TO without a drop. (can't resist TO shots)

i'm not seeing what you're seeing, especially since this defense could be feasting on these teams having to throw the ball all day. Kolb ran up 390 on them.

[vainglory]

i miss Gregg Williams and his creativeness........when was the last time a redskins DB had a sack? my point exactly.

if only Blaches defense was as creative as his personality.

[tiger187126]

i miss Gregg Williams and his creativeness........when was the last time a redskins DB had a sack? my point exactly.

if only Blaches defense was as creative as his personality.

i've seen deangelo blitz off the corner a couple times, too bad they end up running the ball each time.

if they do drop back when he's coming it's a sack, because he does some good closing speed.

we don't have the players to corner blitz anymore.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

i miss Gregg Williams and his creativeness........when was the last time a redskins DB had a sack? my point exactly.

if only Blaches defense was as creative as his personality.

I'm not sure DB sacks is how I would rate defensive coordinators...but I do sometimes miss how creative Williams can be.

[mnb123]

I bet their D does pretty damn good against us.

I fear the saints game

[skinsfan_1215]

I bet their D does pretty damn good against us.

I fear the saints game

Hate to say it, but the Saints are going to kick our ass this year.

[akorn22]

Who cares? he would not have been a good head coach. Anyway, the saints D is not that good. They had one good game.

[Outlaw Torn]

Hate to say it, but the Saints are going to kick our ass this year.
I think the saints are gonna kick a lot of asses this year.

[CliffBattles]

Hate to say it, but the Saints are going to kick our ass this year.

Yeah, the Saints' offense will destroy our defense, and Williams will unload all he can at Zorn. I doubt any coaches hate Snyder as much as Williams does.

[Gart Monk]

The skins defense sorely misses a Gregg Williams type who came up with creative schemes to overcome deficiencies with our defense.

Gregg Williams has taken a sorry Saints defense and made it look more than respectable.

GW should have come up with a creative scheme for kissing Dan's ass to get head coach here. Synder was just lucky to snag Zorn when he did.

[HailGreen28]

GW should have come up with a creative scheme for kissing Dan's ass to get head coach here. Synder was just lucky to snag Zorn when he did.It's to GW's credit if he didn't try kissing Snyder's ass. Or maybe you meant too bad GW isn't here. Hell, both statements are probably true.

[NewCliche21]

Ugh, still wish that he would've stayed here.

**** you, Snyder. Have fun watching the Ravens barely beat out the Saints this year for their second trophy while you're still, well, a loser.

I know, I know, Jumbo/TK/zoony/whoever, I'm warned. Whatever. It felt damned good to say.

[Dirk Diggler]

week 1 27 PA against detroit
week 2 22 PA against Philly (missing players, westbrook went out injured iirc and mcnabb was out
week 3 7 PA against buffalo, held TO without a drop. (can't resist TO shots)

i'm not seeing what you're seeing, especially since this defense could be feasting on these teams having to throw the ball all day. Kolb ran up 390 on them.



That's a very simplistic view - to just look a points against. Do you watch football or just look at the scores the next day?

Detroit had a drive that started at the 11 yard line of New Orleans. That GW's fault? Detroit also scored on 70 yard fumble return for a TD. That GWs fault? Detroit had a bunch of big returns in that game and had great field position all day. That GWs fault?

The Eagles had a drive start at the New Orleans 35. They also scored on a safety where Brees was sacked in the end zone. I'd say 20 points allowed in Philly is nothing to scoff at considering how many chances Philly had.

Buffalo scored 0 points on New Orleans defense - their 7 pts came on a fake FG.

It's also important to consider that it's always hardest to play good defense (statistically speaking) when your offense scores quickly. You get no rest and it means that teams are going to get extra possessions against your defense. A more meaningful stat might be yards allowed per play : The Saints are top 10 in that stat. Do I need to discuss the 9 takeaways in 3 games? Does that count for anything?

I'd say they're playing pretty good defense down in the bayou.

[SAli457180]

I believe it was the '05 finale in Philly where the defensive players actually gave Williams a Gatorade bath at the end of the game. They really went to bat for him. The difference between him and Blache is like night and day. Too bad they kept the wrong Greg.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

It's easy to say that the d is better when the offense is scoring so often that the other team doesn't have any choice but to pass the football.

[MattFancy]

week 1 27 PA against detroit
week 2 22 PA against Philly (missing players, westbrook went out injured iirc and mcnabb was out
week 3 7 PA against buffalo, held TO without a drop. (can't resist TO shots)

i'm not seeing what you're seeing, especially since this defense could be feasting on these teams having to throw the ball all day. Kolb ran up 390 on them.

I was gonna say the same thing. Besides the Buffalo game last week, their defense hasn't done much. Plus its easy to be aggressive on defense when you know your offense can score at will.

[tshile]

yeah, greg williams is awesome.

thats why he was ousted here, and why (i think it was the panthers) the panthers got rid of him after one season.

most overhyped guy ever, look up his actual history, you'll see he's inherited awesome defenses, and turned them to **** within 5 years. bottom of the league in turnovers, bottom in the league on 3rd down %. not as big as points or yards, but very important stats. pro-tip: our d is terrible at both these things right now.

[Dirk Diggler]

Besides the Buffalo game last week, their defense hasn't done much.

Another brilliant post :rolleyes:

[icbmayday]

I couldn't see him still being here but his blitz schemes are much better than Blache's. It seems to me sometime that Blache's defense is a watered down version of Greg Williams D

[TotalRecall]

Stop dreaming. Gregg Williams puts out a "bend but don't break" defense. It's easier for the Saints to win with that kind of defense, because they have a high-powered offense. A good passing offense will pick apart Williams' Tampa-2 secondary.

[redskins59]

week 1 27 PA against detroit
week 2 22 PA against Philly (missing players, westbrook went out injured iirc and mcnabb was out
week 3 7 PA against buffalo, held TO without a drop. (can't resist TO shots)

i'm not seeing what you're seeing, especially since this defense could be feasting on these teams having to throw the ball all day. Kolb ran up 390 on them.

Game number 1 : New Orleans held the Detroit offense to less than 300 yards. Detroit scored 20+ points only because of special teams, period. Defense was just stout that game.

Game number 2: The New Orleans defense went prevent mode, because they didn't have to play all 4 quarters. They were trying to run down the clock.

Game number 3: Defense won the game for them. Drew Brees struggled.

[Dirk Diggler]

yeah, greg williams is awesome.

thats why he was ousted here, and why (i think it was the panthers) the panthers got rid of him after one season.

GW was strung along here until February when there was only 1 defensive coordinator job open in the league left. It was in Jville. And he got it. The personnel wasn't a good fit for his scheme and Del Rio completely lost control of the locker room. The offense was horrendous due to Oline injuries and the team imploded - hardly GW's fault.



most overhyped guy ever, look up his actual history, you'll see he's inherited awesome defenses, and turned them to **** within 5 years.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

He built the Tennesee defense into an incredible unit that actually allowed less yards per game then that famous Ravens defense of 2000. And I'm pretty sure they allowed less than 200 points on defense that year - why don't you look up how many teams in history have done that?

He inherited a seriously flawed team that was rebuilding in Buffalo in 2001 and had to jettison all their best defensive players for salary cap reasons. Bruce Smith, Marcellus Wiley, Ted Washington, Henry Jones all shown the door. Best LB Sam Cowart hurt. He turned over most of the roster and when he left they were a top 3 defense. Nice try though.

When he came to Washington, he inherited a defense in the 20s in both points allowed and yards allowed. The 2004 defense was the best defense we've seen here since 1991. When he left we were still in the top 10. HIS defenses carried us to 2 playoff appearances in 4 years. Without GW's defenses here, we would have been a 3-13 team year in and year out. His defenses were the glue of the entire team - they carried us while the offense spun its wheels for 4 years.

[redskins59]

Stop dreaming. Gregg Williams puts out a "bend but don't break" defense. It's easier for the Saints to win with that kind of defense, because they have a high-powered offense. A good passing offense will pick apart Williams' Tampa-2 secondary.

New Orleans had four sacks against buffalo. I think Williams had the bend but don't break defense when he was with us was because Gibbs wanted that type of defense. Gibbs was the type of guy who just didn't wanna take any chances. In 2004, which was Williams's first year as coordinator with us, he brought the heat from all over the place. What changed after that? I think it was Gibbs's fault.

[Loyal2Washington]

yeah, greg williams is awesome.

thats why he was ousted here, and why (i think it was the panthers) the panthers got rid of him after one season.

most overhyped guy ever, look up his actual history, you'll see he's inherited awesome defenses, and turned them to **** within 5 years. bottom of the league in turnovers, bottom in the league on 3rd down %. not as big as points or yards, but very important stats. pro-tip: our d is terrible at both these things right now.
Yeah you obviously didn't watch the defense's GW put on the field here, you know where we were constantly one of the best teams in the league on 3rd downs. When he was DC/HC of Tenn/Buf defense was never an issue. Way to create some facts though.
He wasn't ousted here he was let go because he wouldn't agree to work with Vinny and wanted to keep Al Saunders and have an open QB competition. Do you know the only two guys to agree to Snyders stipulations??? Zorn was one and the other...
Oh BTW it's Jags you are looking for, yeah the Jags... have a good one and remember research is a good thing.

[Dirk Diggler]

Stop dreaming. Gregg Williams puts out a "bend but don't break" defense. It's easier for the Saints to win with that kind of defense, because they have a high-powered offense.

Plus its easy to be aggressive on defense when you know your offense can score at will.



The've had a good offense for years now. Yet they've gone through DCs like tissue paper. If playing defense is so simple when you have a great offense, then any clown with a clipboard should have had success with that group a lot sooner than this.

[[[ghost]]]

I was gonna say the same thing. Besides the Buffalo game last week, their defense hasn't done much. Plus its easy to be aggressive on defense when you know your offense can score at will.

Their defense has played a lot of Prevent throughout the second halves of their first two games.

They only surrendered 20 to the Lions, their safety had a defensive touchdown. And they picked off Stafford 3 times.

Kolb got 150 of his yards in crunch time, so he really had less than 250 yards.

And limiting a HOF WR to no catches for the first time in a while is impresive.

GW has a lot of flaws, but he can coach. The Zorn project never should have been, it should have always been his show.

[Loyal2Washington]

Stop dreaming. Gregg Williams puts out a "bend but don't break" defense. A good passing offense will pick apart Williams' Tampa-2 secondary.
Then explain how his defense was top 5 in 3 of his 4 years here? The only year he ran a cover 2 scheme at times was in 06 when the entire defense had numerous injuries. You don't create top 5 D's playing bend don't break.

Seriously if some of you don't remember GW's defense stop posting and acting as if we sucked on defense. Please stop creating defensive schemes he ran or styles of D based upon a hunch or thought.

[[[ghost]]]

yeah, greg williams is awesome.

thats why he was ousted here, and why (i think it was the panthers) the panthers got rid of him after one season.

most overhyped guy ever, look up his actual history, you'll see he's inherited awesome defenses, and turned them to **** within 5 years. bottom of the league in turnovers, bottom in the league on 3rd down %. not as big as points or yards, but very important stats. pro-tip: our d is terrible at both these things right now.

A) Its the Jaguars.

B) He actually took mediocre defenses and made them outstanding.

The Bills were in the Bottom 5 of total defense his first year, and had them Top 2 in his last season.

The Jaguars were plagued with injuries and new players who still were trying to fit in. As it is, Jacksonville isn't talented on defensively that much, and they lost a Pro Bowl DT as Williams inherited the team.

[rk3025]

Williams would NOT be 1-2 and lose to Detroit.

The skins defense sorely misses a Gregg Williams type who came up with creative schemes to overcome deficiencies with our defense.

Gregg Williams has taken a sorry Saints defense and made it look more than respectable.

[Smurf85]

The skins defense sorely misses a Gregg Williams type who came up with creative schemes to overcome deficiencies with our defense.

Gregg Williams has taken a sorry Saints defense and made it look more than respectable.

GW seems to have a good first year no matter where he goes. We will see what happens next year.

[Santana_89]

];6821526']GW has a lot of flaws, but he can coach. The Zorn project never should have been, it should have always been his show.


I believe it was the '05 finale in Philly where the defensive players actually gave Williams a Gatorade bath at the end of the game. They really went to bat for him. The difference between him and Blache is like night and day. Too bad they kept the wrong Greg.

Gregg Williams was the best choice for this job,and it's a damn shame Synder let him walk because of Vinny.

[Smurf85]

Gregg Williams was the best choice for this job,and it's a damn shame Synder let him walk because of Vinny.

Well if that's the case why is it Williams hasn't got offered a head coaching job anywhere else?

[Santana_89]

Well if that's the case why is it Williams hasn't got offered a head coaching job anywhere else?


How would I have knowledge of what job offers he did or didn't get???

I said Gregg Williams was the best man for this job (this team).

It's what I believed then and still do.

This is by MY OPINION.

[Gart Monk]

Team needed a HC that was here during ST21.

[brian.kim.esq]

Sean Payton was so impressed with Williams that he took a quarter-mil pay cut so that the Saints could sign Williams...wonder what Payton saw that Snyder didn't...?

[SonnyJ]

Sean Payton was so impressed with Williams that he took a quarter-mil pay cut so that the Saints could sign Williams...wonder what Payton saw that Snyder didn't...?

To be fair, Snyder probably would have loved to keep Williams as DC. He paid him very handsomely to serve that role.

He just didn't want Williams as head coach. Now, if Payton stepped aside to become OC so Williams could be head coach, then that would be something ;).