Problems with Dan Snyder

[I-H8-DALLAS]

This thread may just cause some more negativity that is not needed to this site but I am very intrested in hearing why people think Dan Snyder is a bad owner. I know he want's this team to suceed thats why he spends so much of his money on getting these "top notch" players. I think he is a pretty good scapegoat, for all the problems we have had in the past since he bought the team.

In your eyes, what makes him a bad owner? How could he improve?
(without the easy answers of "sell the team")

[DJD2]

Plain and simple. He thinks he is a "football guy" knows what is best for the team.

Until he understands that he doesn't know jack, and hires a real GM to run this team, then he is the problem.

[skinfan61]

I think my opinion on it is pretty simply, when any company fails and the CEO fails to turn it around it is without any doubt that CEOs fault. Ultimately he is the one with the complete control, the one who can change out the pieces and create a functional organization. Until he does that, likely by surrounding himself with the right "football minds" to right this ship, he has failed the organization no matter how much money or positive intent he pours in.

[ixcuincle]

Greedy **** who jacked up parking prices at Fed Ex, also dabbles too much in football matters

[tshile]

seriously, aren't there enough of these threads?

nothing here is new.

[I-H8-DALLAS]

I think my opinion on it is pretty simply, when any company fails and the CEO fails to turn it around it is without any doubt that CEOs fault. Ultimately he is the one with the complete control, the one who can change out the pieces and create a functional organization. Until he does that, likely by surrounding himself with the right "football minds" to right this ship, he has failed the organization no matter how much money or positive intent he pours in.

I am not a Dan Snyder fan by any means, but this fact is straight from wikipedia. "While Snyder has been owner, the Redskins' annual profit has increased nearly $100 million". To him this is a business, and its far from failed.

[ntotoro]

I am not a Dan Snyder fan by any means, but this fact is straight from wikipedia. "While Snyder has been owner, the Redskins' annual profit has increased nearly $100 million". To him this is a business, and its far from failed.

Financially, it's a no-brainer, all because of idiot fans like us.

Would you call the on-field performance a success? That's the bottom line.

Until he hires a GM and stays hands-off, he'll never get on-field success or the respect of his fans. The fans will never love him. He has done too much to us for it to be any differently, from trying to prevent foot traffic to the stadium to suing the individual fans. If he wants anyone to take him seriously, he has to hire a real, football GM and do nothing more than sign the checks.

[I-H8-DALLAS]

from trying to prevent foot traffic to the stadium to suing the individual fans. .

I read that story in the post how the redskins were suing a women who couldn't pay for her season tickets, after they revoked them and sold them to someone else.....very disturbing. So, they made out twice on one pair of tickets. Way to kick someone when there down.

[skinfan61]

I am not a Dan Snyder fan by any means, but this fact is straight from wikipedia. "While Snyder has been owner, the Redskins' annual profit has increased nearly $100 million". To him this is a business, and its far from failed.

Fair enough, there are certainly multiple perspectives on what defines success and he certainly has succeeded in that one.

[Elessar78]

Part of the problem is that he financed the purchase of the Redskins and that is his main motivator right now. Until he pays that off, his concern will be financial first and winning second.

The difference with a team like the Giants and Steelers is that they can be patient. They build. They hire coaches for the long haul and let them build and go through growing pains. Whose to say that Marty wouldn't have built a long-term winner here had he been given time? Whose to say that Zorn can't (well a lot) but you can't hire a newbie head coach and expect him to "get it" in two seasons.

Dan Snyder fixes last year's problems this year. So the Redskins are always a step behind.

[Koolblue13]

Spurrier and Gibbs stepped down, they weren't fired. Snyder has shown patience there.

We have mostly stopped dealing away draft picks, except JT last year.

We are not signing older vets to high end guaranteed deals. Big Al is the best DT in the league and it's not that large of a contract. He is also just entering his prime.

I don't understand the "he doesn't want to win" comments. He is a fan first most.

I'm as frustrated as the next fan, but I don't understand why it always falls on Danny.

Heck, even Vinny has had some pretty good drafts lately.

[monkeezgob]

Plain and simple. He thinks he is a "football guy" knows what is best for the team.

Until he understands that he doesn't know jack, and hires a real GM to run this team, then he is the problem.

And there you have it. It's as simple as that.

[RedlightG20]

Spurrier and Gibbs stepped down, they weren't fired. Snyder has shown patience there.

We have mostly stopped dealing away draft picks, except JT last year.

We are not signing older vets to high end guaranteed deals. Big Al is the best DT in the league and it's not that large of a contract. He is also just entering his prime.

I don't understand the "he doesn't want to win" comments. He is a fan first most.

I'm as frustrated as the next fan, but I don't understand why it always falls on Danny.

Heck, even Vinny has had some pretty good drafts lately.

Good drafts? His top three picks of 2008 year have yet to make any kind of impact! Don't give Vinny credit. And what about the Jason Taylor and TJ Duckett trades? We got RAPED on those! And we constantly neglect to upgrade the o-line.

Add all this to the fact that Vinny and Dan decided to fire a competent D-coordinator in Gregg Williams (who frankly deserved the HC job), and hire an O-coordinator in Zorn BEFORE hiring a head coach. Then when competent HC candidates laughed in their face, they had no choice but to promote an unready Zorn. This is the epitome of futility!

Not sure how anyone can support these clowns.

[Charlied72]

He's a business man he runs the business side of the team great great . He throws money around to fix problmes

[Koolblue13]

Good drafts? His top three picks of 2008 year have yet to make any kind of impact! Don't give Vinny credit. And what about the Jason Taylor and TJ Duckett trades? We got RAPED on those! And we constantly neglect to upgrade the o-line.

Add all this to the fact that Vinny and Dan decided to fire a competent D-coordinator in Gregg Williams (who frankly deserved the job), and hire an O-coordinator in Zorn BEFORE hiring a head coach. This is the epitome in futility!

Not sure how anyone can support these clowns.

The Zorn thing did work out poorly. We brought Dock back and drafted Rhino. I agree we need to do more, but we can't say it was completely neglected.

Gregg Williams is no HC and we all know it. Heck, most of us couldn't stand the guy as our DC until Gibbs stepped down.

And let the Duckett trade go. Yes it was bad, but should be in the Bruce Smith/ Deon Sanders bucket by now.

The JT trade may not have been so bad, if he was used correctly. Like I said, I agree we shouldn't have made that move.

[Horatio]

I'm sure Snyder DOES want to win, because it would make the team even MORE profitable as he would sell more merchandise and jerseys. The problem is that Snyder REFUSES to relinquish his iron grip on the football operations...there is a smokescreen they are employing to make it look like Vinny is running the show, but anyone who has followed this team since 1999 knows otherwise.

Snyder HATES to be criticized, so he put Vinny in as a buffer between him and the media criticism. (This is also why Snyder has been buying up all the media outlets that criticize him...if only he had enough money to buy the Post, he would be happy. And I'm sure Czaban will get canned from 980 soon because he always bashes Snyder.)

But the fact is this is the 2nd more profitable NFL team around, even while putting an average product on the field. Snyder seems pretty content with that.

[dexter's manley]

Part of the problem is that he financed the purchase of the Redskins and that is his main motivator right now. Until he pays that off, his concern will be financial first and winning second.

The difference with a team like the Giants and Steelers is that they can be patient. They build. They hire coaches for the long haul and let them build and go through growing pains. Whose to say that Marty wouldn't have built a long-term winner here had he been given time? Whose to say that Zorn can't (well a lot) but you can't hire a newbie head coach and expect him to "get it" in two seasons.

Dan Snyder fixes last year's problems this year. So the Redskins are always a step behind.

This is true. Snyder got so heavily leveraged by his deal to buy the team he HAS to focus on profit and revenue just to keep his head above water. Lord knows his business acumen hasn't helped him in his other endeavors - the Redskins are propping up a lot of failing Snyder ventures right now, which is why he needs to bleed us completely dry.

Bottom line is Snyder didn't have the wealth required to buy and properly run an NFL franchise - he borrowed too heavily and that now dictates the direction of this organization. On top of that, he seems like a turd who treats people like crap.

Awarding the team to Snyder will go down as one of the worst blunders in the history of the league. That act has slowly taken down one of the league's marquee franchises - and we're only in the middle of the demise. Rock bottom is still a long way away - this fall under Snyder is nowhere near over.

[JdoubleU]

Just because you can sell a ton of "Sham-Wows" doesn't mean it's a good product. I was dopey enuff to buy into both that POJ and the Skins. Snyder is a bad owner because he is a meddler. A good businessman would see that his product is flawed & make repairs to the product. This owner has no clue.

[Forehead]

Honestly, I have no problem with Snyder as an owner with regards to money and contracts. Hell, at least he wants to win, I'd much prefer that to ownership like the ones that run baseball teams like the Pirates...never caring and always shipping out their best players.

My problem with Snyder lies mostly in his relationships with the players. He shouldn't have any beyond writing checks. It bothers me that he has personal friendships with people like Portis, Bruce Smith before, and other players.

Why? I feel it undermines the coaches authority. Coach yells at Portis and tries to bench him (hypothetically) and Portis can turn around and run to Snyder. Aside from the fact that Snyder wants to meddle in drafting and player acquisition, I honestly believe that this is one of the main reasons we can't get a proven head coach to come to Washington. Why come to a situation where you can't discipline the players?

I truly thought having a guy who grew up a Redskins fan as owner would be great for the franchise. I still do, but he needs to learn that even though these were his heroes growing up, he needs to take a step back and can the interaction. Stay out of the locker room after games, regardless of wins and losses. Just stay in your perch on high and write checks.

[Monkfan63]

His Ego is too big and his size is too short.

[Rocky21]

I got 3 gripes about Dan Snyder.

1. ****ing up the game day experience beyond all recognition.

2. Not putting all of the organization's considerable resources into beefing up the back office structure. There is no salary cap on team personnel. We should have the best personnel guys, scouts, football minds, capologists in the business. We have Vinny Cerrato.

3. For not winning football games. Since Snyder has owned the team, the Redskins have are 77-86, .472 winning percentage. I don't care if he wants to win. He sucks at it. The numbers don't lie. More losses than wins.

HTTR!

[Koolblue13]

Phoward, great points.

[H4172tehR3d5k1n5]

this article pretty much sums it up.

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12171072

[Thiebear]

If i bought the team.
I'd be doing the same thing.
And i'd be "crushed"... just crushed that the peasants don't like me when the team is failing but loves me when i spend 100 million on a triple covered defensive lineman.

Note: I'd have my coaches and personnel back more.. I only win if they win.

[JetSkins]

This thread may just cause some more negativity that is not needed to this site but I am very intrested in hearing why people think Dan Snyder is a bad owner. I know he want's this team to suceed thats why he spends so much of his money on getting these "top notch" players. I think he is a pretty good scapegoat, for all the problems we have had in the past since he bought the team.

In your eyes, what makes him a bad owner? How could he improve?
(without the easy answers of "sell the team")


"top notch" players? :hysterical:

[CrabR]

If we want to send the Danny a message we should boycott all Redskins merchandise and concessions at the stadium

Bet that would get his attention

[bird_1972]

I think my opinion on it is pretty simply, when any company fails and the CEO fails to turn it around it is without any doubt that CEOs fault. Ultimately he is the one with the complete control, the one who can change out the pieces and create a functional organization. Until he does that, likely by surrounding himself with the right "football minds" to right this ship, he has failed the organization no matter how much money or positive intent he pours in.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If this were just a couple of years of dysfunctionality, one could lay blame on the feet of coaches, GM, or even the players if they've been around long enough. No, this one is a culture of failure created by Snyder. Whether he meant to or not, he's not ready for prime time.

And his years with Gibbs has not made him any smarter in this regard.

He's lost his "free pass" and now had better radically change his ways - doubtful considering his personality - or else this franchise will tank.

[paloosa]

The main problem with Dan Snyder is loyalty to Cerrato and ignorrance to the fact.

[bird_1972]

this article pretty much sums it up.

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12171072

Nice article.

This quote sums it up and should become the title of a thread on this board:

"If you're a fan still backing Snyder, you're a sucker."

[bird_1972]

The main problem with Dan Snyder is loyalty to Cerrato and ignorrance to the fact.

No. It runs way deeper than that.

Those are just the easiest to see. Cerrato is a symptom of a larger, deeper problem.

[ttr77]

If I was a stockholder of the company, he is the man.

But, as a fan of his football team, he is a joke.

[Rocky21]

this article pretty much sums it up.

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12171072

Good find. I hadn't read that one before.

"True fans of the team, longtime ones, not the stiffs who discovered the Redskins five years ago, rank Snyder somewhere in the Ty Cobb-Kobe Bryant-Bernie Madoff region of likeability." Wow. The word's out.

[alexey]

Maybe it's just me, but I think Snyder has this unhealthy mentality which trickles down throughout the organization and to the players. Not sure how to describe it... it's some kind of "I have arrived" thing. The way they court players, picking them up in private jets and all. Maybe this is reflected in the type of players that they get (and it doesn't take too many prima donnas to poison the atmosphere)... I just do not sense the "we are here to work hard" attitude.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

$40 for a cheeseburger that is nasty, fries and chicken tender meal at Johnny Rockets.. need I say more? That explains Snyder in a nutshell.

Rape your pockets and put out a mediocre product.

Snyder needs to hire competent people to run the football operations. Go sit in your stupid ass box and enjoy the game and let someone run your organization for you. It's not fantasy football Danny. Dan is ultimately responsible for the people he has running this team..That's why he's at fault here.

I've been a die hard Skins fan since I was a kid and I'm at the point where I don't care if I miss their games. I haven't missed a game since I was a kid.. that's how bad it's getting.

[ttr77]

Good find. I hadn't read that one before.

"True fans of the team, longtime ones, not the stiffs who discovered the Redskins five years ago, rank Snyder somewhere in the Ty Cobb-Kobe Bryant-Bernie Madoff region of likeability." Wow. The word's out.

Personally, I am fond of:

"Snyder has long stumbled through the NFL wilds with his craw full of barbed stupidity and righteous indignation at his critics instead of genuine care for the team's fans. Naysayers are besieged by PR puppets (hello Karl) and message board trolls who dream of the day their tongue can bond with the bottom of Snyder's shoe."

Man, I wish I had written that.

[Yusuf06]

1. ****ing up the game day experience beyond all recognition.

2. Not putting all of the organization's considerable resources into beefing up the back office structure. There is no salary cap on team personnel. We should have the best personnel guys, scouts, football minds, capologists in the business. We have Vinny Cerrato.

**DING!!**


Nice article.

This quote sums it up and should become the title of a thread on this board:

"If you're a fan still backing Snyder, you're a sucker."
:high5:

[dexter's manley]

Danny has it all figured out. He pays people to defend him on the radio. He pays people to defend him on here. And he makes us pay for the privilege of watching the worst product in the entire NFL. He's the smartest guy in the room.

[ttr77]

He's the smartest guy in the room.

Except when the room is full of NFL personnel executives.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Danny has it all figured out. He pays people to defend him on the radio. He pays people to defend him on here. And he makes us pay for the privilege of watching the worst product in the entire NFL. He's the smartest guy in the room.

To his credit, it doesn't appear to me he controls any opinions on 980. They bash him constantly

[Fred Jones]

My opinion has been posted in other similar threads, so I pulled one off the first page of the Stadium thread.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=301822