CNN.com / MSNBC: Shootings, multiple deaths reported at Fort Hood (MET; Merged)

[jpillian]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html


Eleven people plus a gunman were dead and 31 wounded after the gunman opened fire Thursday on a soldier-processing center at Fort Hood, Texas, officials said.

The gunman was a soldier, and two other soldiers have been detained as suspects, Army Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said.

The slain gunman was identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, a law enforcement source told CNN. Licensed in Virginia, Hasan was a psychiatrist who previously worked at Walter Reed Army Medical Center but more recently was practicing at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, according to professional records.

Ten of the other dead also were soldiers, while the remaining one was a civilian police officer who was working as a contractor on the base, Cone said.
Two of the injured were in "very serious" condition, Fort Hood spokesman Christopher Hogue said.

More than one shooter may have been involved, Cone said.
"All the casualties took place at the initial incident, that took place at 13:30 [1:30 p.m. CT], at the soldier readiness facility," Cone said.

The primary shooter had two weapons, both handguns, he said.
"The local police response forces were there relatively quickly and killed the confirmed shooter," Cone said.
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said she was told that the soldiers at the readiness facility "were filling out paper processing to go to Iraq or Afghanistan," according to CNN affiliate KXAN in Austin, Texas.

A senior officer who was playing golf Thursday about 2.5 miles from the attack said he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects.
Shortly after the shooting, military police told him to clear the course, and he saw other MPs surround the building that held the golf carts, he said. He ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying MPs approached, he said.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/


A U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 11 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. The gunman was shot to death, and two other soldiers were in custody.

NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that U.S. officials identified the gunman as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who had been promoted to major in May. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, said military officials told her that the gunman, who was 39 or 40, was about to be deployed to Iraq and was “upset about it.”

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, who briefed President Barack Obama on the shootings, said the gunman used two handguns.

It was unclear why the two other soldiers were taken into custody. A senior administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.

Military and local hospital officials said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least one of those killed was a civilian police officer, Cone said. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, NBC affiliate KCEN-TV of Waco reported.

Two of the victims remained in surgery late Thursday afternoon at Metroplex Hospital in Killeen. One of them, a woman, is an emergency medical worker the base, the hospital said.

Fort Hood, one of the largest military complexes in the world, was on lockdown, as were schools in the area. Dozens of agents of the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the post, federal officials said.

Muslim group condemns shootings
Speaking in Washington, Obama called the shootings a “horrific incident.”

“It’s difficult enough when we lose these great Americans in battles overseas,” Obama said at the Interior Department. “It’s horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil.”

Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”

”No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

Shootings in deployment processing center
Emergency Services officials at Fort Hood said the incident began about 1:30 p.m. CT (2:30 p.m. ET) when the gunman opened fire in the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center on the west side of the base. A spokesman for the base, Sgt. Major Jamie Posten, said the processing center was where soldiers “cycle through as they prepare to deploy.”

Retired Army Col. Greg Schannep, an aide to Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, who was on the post to attend a graduation service, told the Fort Hood Sentinel that he heard “three or four volleys of shots, with eight to 12 shots in each volley.”

“Initially, I thought it was a training exercise,” he said. But then, “a soldier came running past me and said, ‘Sir, there is someone shooting.’

“As he ran past me, I saw blood on his back,” Schannep told the base paper. “I don’t think he even knew he had been shot.”

Fort Hood is adjacent to Killeen, about 60 miles northeast of Austin. The sprawling complex is home to at least 4,929 active-duty officers and 45,414 enlisted. Civilian employees total nearly 9,000.

A spokesman for the Army, Lt. Col. Lee M. Packnett, said he was unaware whether security measures were put in place at other military bases. A spokesman at Fort Lewis, Wash., said the incident was being treated as isolated.



http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/multiple_casualties_at_fort_hood


KILLEEN, Texas - Officials at the Fort Hood Army Base in Killeen say 12 people are dead and about 30 are wounded in a mass shooting on the property.

According to spokesman Lt. Gen Bob Cone from Fort Hood, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center.

"It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries," Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

A civilian police officer was among the deceased. Some of the wounded were military personnel.

"We’re praying that those who are injured … are not seriously injured," Green said.


http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938


Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base in a murderous rampage that officials believe was carried out by an Army officer.

he suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, told Fox News that military sources informed her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.

Hasan allegedly opened fire and killed 11 people on the base before he was shot, bringing the total number of fatalities to 12.

The general said there were "eyewitness accounts of more than one shooter," and the others were tracked to an adjacent facility.

Cone called the attack "a terrible tragedy, stunning." He said the community was "absolutely devastated."

President Obama called the Fort Hood shootings a "horrific outburst of violence."

"It is difficult enough to lose" soldiers overseas, but it is "horrifying that they should lose their lives at an Army base in the U.S.," he said.

"My prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen," said the president.

President Obama also offered his help to Cone.

"We know this is a tremendous tragedy down there," the president told Gen. Cone, according to a White House official. "Our thoughts are with you and all your soldiers."

The Senate and the House of Representatives held a moment of silence this evening for the victims of the Fort Hood massacre.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry ordered flags be flown at half mast until Sunday.

Cone said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is unclear.

Fort Hood, located just 60 miles north from Austin, is the largest U.S. military installation in the world, and has suffered the greatest number of casualities of all American bases in the war on Iraq.

The base is a 340 sq. mile facility located in Killeen, Texas and is home to the 1st Cavalry Division, which was one of the first groups of soldiers deployed to Iraq.

Cone said that a gunman entered a facility known as the Soldier Readiness Facility, where soldiers who are preparing to deploy go for last minute medical check ups and dental treatment. Sources told ABC News that the soldiers gathered there were getting ready to deploy to Iraq.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

"The gunman opened fire and essentially due to the quick respond of the police forces was killed," said Cone.

The shooter was killed by civilian law enforcement and one police officer died in the shootout, Cone said.

The gunman's suspected accomplices were taken into custody in an adjacent facility known as the old SportsDome Complex.

[Madison Redskin]

A shooting rampage at Fort Hood left at least 7 dead and 12 wounded. A couple of soldiers are reportedly in custody.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Spec138]

I'm watching this, this is crazy. Only about 1.5 hours from me.

[Duckus]

Just heard this - very sad.

[ljs]

per Fox, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
DEVELOPING: A mass shooting at Ft. Hood military base in Texas has left at least 7 dead and 12 wounded, officials confirmed to MyFoxDFW.com.

There were two shooters in the Army base massacre and one suspect is in custody, Fox News confirmed.

The attack apparently happened at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, MyFoxDFW.com said.

Army officials didn't know whether the victims were civilians or military personnel.

The men were dressed in Army fatigues, but military officials couldn't confirm that they were Army personnel.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Wow. That's really not good. I was stationed at Fort Hood for two years so I'm really sad to see this :(

[Ellis]

more than one shooter. NUTS!!

[Dan T.]

Edited because better information emerged through the day.

[HailYeah]

Terrorists?

[Ellis]

Terrorists?
it's definitely planned but no one is stating terrorism yet.

[Dan T.]

So Fort Hood is in Kileen. That's where there was a mass shooting at a Luby's restaurant in 1991. A guy crashed his pickup into the restaurant and started shooting, killing 23 people and wounding 20 before killing himself.

[HailYeah]

it's definitely planned but no one is stating terrorism yet.

They're still trying to confirm the multiple shooters. They are saying there "may" be militiple shooters. We know there were groups planning to attack military bases in the past. Hopefully it is more of a rogue thing, and not what everyone is thinking....

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

So Fort Hood is in Kileen. That's where there was a mass shooting at a Luby's restaurant in 1991. A guy crashed his pickup into the restaurant and started shooting, killing 23 people and wounding 20 before killing himself.

That whole place is crazy.

They are saying now that it looks like the shooters are military too. But who knows.

[jpillian]

Terrorists?

Who knows. There are certainly any number of stressed out, and disgruntled soldiers at an Army post at all times.

I'd honestly be very surprised if this was NOT a soldier.

But you never know.

[HailYeah]

Who knows. There are certainly any number of stressed out, and disgruntled soldiers at an Army post at all times.

I'd honestly be very surprised if this was NOT a soldier.

But you never know.

Unconfirmed reports that it was two shooters with M-16s

[Mad Mike]

Watching CNN. Someone at the base (an official) says more than one shooter fired into (if I understand correctly) two locations.

Sounds like terrorism to me. Domestic or otherwise.

[Ellis]

They're still trying to confirm the multiple shooters. They are saying there "may" be militiple shooters. We know there were groups planning to attack military bases in the past. Hopefully it is more of a rogue thing, and not what everyone is thinking....

My heart aches if it is a terror attack...

From what is being said on the radio... this happened around the time of a graduation ceremony and the public was permitted on to the base b/c of the ceremony.

Reports say there could be as many as 3 shooters.

[Madison Redskin]

Unconfirmed reports that it was two shooters with M-16s

AR-15s can be bought on the open market and they look almost identical to M-16s and pretty close to M-4s.

[Predicto]

This is awful. There will be a lot of speculation, and we probably should not indulge in it too much before the facts come out.

With that said, I think that if I was a terrorist, the last place I would bother to attack would be Fort Hood. Give me some nice civilians to terrorize, or a target of symbolic significance like the Statue of Liberty or the Capitol. I suspect this is more of a "Private Pyle" situation.

[Toe Jam]

Terrible terrible terrible.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

This is awful. There will be a lot of speculation, and we probably should not indulge in it too much before the facts come out.

With that said, I think that if I was a terrorist, the last place I would bother to attack would be Fort Hood. Give me some nice civilians to terrorize, or a target of symbolic significance like the Statue of Liberty or the Capitol. I suspect this is more of a "Private Pyle" situation.

What's more symbolic than the largest military base in the world?

But who knows. Wait and see at this point. They're saying 7 dead and 20 wounded now :(

[Ellis]

I suspect this is more of a "Private Pyle" situation.

I WANT to agree with you so badly... but there is more than one shooter.

[Predicto]

I WANT to agree with you so badly... but there is more than one shooter.

True. I guess we will find out soon enough.

[RIPSean]

I feel for the soldiers at Fort Hood. This is terrible.

This is of personal concern to me because I am leaving in the next few months for Army basic training and I will be stationed in Texas at some point next year. Going from high school, where shootings have been in the news plenty, to the Army, it's unfortunate that this type of thing has to be such concern for so many young people in America.

[Predicto]

What's more symbolic than the largest military base in the world?

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I had no idea. To me, it's just one of many army bases.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I had no idea. To me, it's just one of many army bases.

Na man. Fort Hood is HUGE. Tens of thousands of soldiers there.

[Destino]

Any idea why the base announcement system is instructing people to turn off heating and air conditioning systems?

[Ellis]

Na man. Fort Hood is HUGE. Tens of thousands of soldiers there.
radio station said 45,000 soldier capacity.
open to public on most days. only a drivers ID is necessary.

[Toe Jam]

Any idea why the base announcement system is instructing people to turn off heating and air conditioning systems?

Nope. I'd like to know that myself.

[Mad Mike]

As I said before. The reports from an army official are two shooters firing at two different locations. A day when civilians are allowed in for a graduation would be a good time to plan such an attack if you are an outsider.

At a location known to process troops going to and from the ME?

Sounds like some form of terrorism to me.

[jpillian]

Any idea why the base announcement system is instructing people to turn off heating and air conditioning systems?

Where did you hear that, D?

I was there on Sept 11, and that place was a mad house of disinformation (as you can expect for an installation that large).
I can only imagine what's going on there now.

[Ellis]

Any idea why the base announcement system is instructing people to turn off heating and air conditioning systems?
I thought that was odd. Mentioned it to my boss and he said if it was a terrorist attack--foreign or domestic--toxic gas or poison can't get distributed throughout building if air systems are off.

Of course, keep in mind... TOTAL speculation. Just a thought. Not a fact.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

radio station said 45,000 soldier capacity.
open to public on most days. only a drivers ID is necessary.

Yeah man. I used to pull guard duty there on the airfield all the time. They used to give us M-16's with no ammo. I always thought it was really dumb. I think it's the same for the main gates save for the couple of MPs out there. And you definitely need just an ID (military ID, drivers license, whatever) to get on.

This was five years ago though so I'm not sure what has changed since.

[Ellis]

Yeah man. I used to pull guard duty there on the airfield all the time. They used to give us M-16's with no ammo. I always thought it was really dumb. I think it's the same for the main gates save for the couple of MPs out there. And you definitely need just an ID (military ID, drivers license, whatever) to get on.

This was five years ago though so I'm not sure what has changed since.
they mentioned the empty clips on the radio as well.

[Mad Mike]

Any idea why the base announcement system is instructing people to turn off heating and air conditioning systems?

You might do that if you suspect that someone may have put chemicals or biological agents into the system.

[royallypwned]

oh **** oh ****. I have a friend and a cousin (who is like my older brother) there right now. oh **** dude oh ****

[RIPSean]

People are speculating on whether or not this was a terrorist attack, but by definition, isn't this terrorism?

It may or may not be a terrorist from the Middle-East, but it sure sounds like terrorism to me, even if it turns out to be a white guy from Oklahoma with a crew cut.

[Mad Mike]

I thought that was odd. Mentioned it to my boss and he said if it was a terrorist attack--foreign or domestic--toxic gas or poison can't get distributed throughout building if air systems are off.

Of course, keep in mind... TOTAL speculation. Just a thought. Not a fact.

Yeah, speculation is all we have. Could be just a precaution.

Just hearing how they conduct training for terrorists attacks there so Shutting down the air systems would probably be SOP.

[Madison Redskin]

You might do that if you suspect that someone may have put chemicals or biological agents into the system.

A good terrorist attack contingency plan would call for the shut down of such systems, even if you don't suspect that the attackers used chemical or biological agents.

[Ellis]

oh **** oh ****. I have a friend and a cousin (who is like my older brother) there right now. oh **** dude oh ****
prayin they're alright, dude...

[jpillian]

You might do that if you suspect that someone may have put chemicals or biological agents into the system.

If SWAT had to use CS on the guy that's holed up it could be they don't want the inhabitants of surrounding buildings to take that in.

That's a bit of a more benign explanation.

[abdcskins]

This sucks. CNN is saying that the shooters were in military uniform.

RIP to those who were killed. Condolences to those who were wounded(estimated 30).

[Madison Redskin]

UPDATE: According to CNN, there are AT LEAST 7 dead and 30 wounded.

[Corcaigh]

they mentioned the empty clips on the radio as well.

Awesome security; not only that they do it, but that it's common knowledge that they do it. :doh:

[Toe Jam]

This sucks. CNN is saying that the shooters were in military uniform.

RIP to those who were killed. Condolences to those who were wounded(estimated 30).

But it doesn't necessarily mean they were military.

Someone could have stole the uniforms and impersonated a soldier.

[Ellis]

radio station says... FBI says terrorism is not suspected.

[renaissance]

People are speculating on whether or not this was a terrorist attack, but by definition, isn't this terrorism?

It may or may not be a terrorist from the Middle-East, but it sure sounds like terrorism to me, even if it turns out to be a white guy from Oklahoma with a crew cut.

Whether it is a terrorist act depends on the motives of the shooter(s). We don't even know who the shooter(s) is/are so people should really wait before labeling.

[jpillian]

Awesome security; not only that they do it, but that it's common knowledge that they do it. :doh:

It used to be (after Sept 11th) they'd have soldiers at the gates with weapons, but no ammo. However, there was always an MP patrol car at the gate as well, and those guys of course had ammo.

Also, only military personnel with stickers on their cars were allowed at most gates.

Civilians had to go through one specific gate, and their cars were searched.

Who knows what the procedure is these days. My guess is its not as stringent as it was at the beginning of the WOT, and even then this sort of thing could have been carried out by a determined adversary, even on the post's most secure days.

My guess though, is that this was soldier on soldier, and not some sort of external action. I'll leave my speculations at that.

[Toe Jam]

Death toll rises to at least 9 according to BNO.

[lovetoaster]

Local NBC station just reported shots fired at a soldier's residence

[Toe Jam]

Report on NBC: New shots fired in barracks.

[fire5man80]

Local NBC station just reported shots fired at a soldier's residence
Wonder if thats the one that Swat had surrounded?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

What the hell is going on at Fort Hood? It's turning into the Cabrini Green of the military.

[lovetoaster]

Warning sirens going off again

[Toe Jam]

I hope these new reports are false. I hope it's over.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Reports of a sniper rifle now.

[Destino]

Where did you hear that, D?

I was there on Sept 11, and that place was a mad house of disinformation (as you can expect for an installation that large).
I can only imagine what's going on there now.
I heard it on CNN but a military member (don't know who) called in and said it was standard procedure, one of many they have in the event of an emergency of this type. So basically it doesn't necessarily mean anything at all.

[Toe Jam]

FOX NEWS: FBI: No terrorism

[VASkins540]

A woman on lockdown at Ft. Hood just told Wolf Blitzer that approx. 500 soldiers are preparing to sweep the area.

Obama's expected to issue a statement in a few minutes.

[Destino]

People are speculating on whether or not this was a terrorist attack, but by definition, isn't this terrorism?

It may or may not be a terrorist from the Middle-East, but it sure sounds like terrorism to me, even if it turns out to be a white guy from Oklahoma with a crew cut.

Terrorism tends to have a political reason. It's intended to shake the faith people have that their government can protect them and influence them to change their governments behavior. This could turn out to be disgruntled soldiers mad about something... or just plain crazy mass murderers like guy in PA that shot up an LA Fitness because hot women weren't into him.

It's too early to even speculate really. We literally have know idea what happened yet other than some people were shot by an unknown number of shooters.

[jpillian]

FYI -- I'm updating the OP as they occur.

Found this interesting from the MyFox DFW article:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/multiple_casualties_at_fort_hood


According to officials, the incident was a dual attack. One happened at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas. The other shoot happened at a graduation ceremony taking place at a theatre on the base.

"It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries," Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Green said one shooter was still on the loose and that two others were in custody.

However, there were just two shooters according to other reports.



So possibly two separate attacks, and possibly three shooters.

[Toe Jam]

Unconfirmed reports from NBC: Shots now being fired at two separate residences on base.

[Toe Jam]

NBC: First suspect was an officer on the base

[VASkins540]

MSNBC via a local affiliate: one of the individuals apprehended was an officer at the base.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I work on post sometimes and as recently as yesterday. We have a job at Darnall Hospital that is the renovation and expansion of the cafeteria, and the job I was on which is the renovation of the barracks. It's not just a couple of MP's at the gates, its a third party security company and you need a pass to get on Fort Hood. That means if you want to get on for just a day, you go to the visitor's center outside of the Main Gate and show them your driver's license and insurance and tell them what you're planning on doing. They take down your info, including license plate number and give you a pass. Everybody from my company who works on Fort Hood gets a 6 month pass for every vehicle, company or otherwise that needs to get through the gates every day for work.

They've backed off of this recently, but about 2 years ago, commercial vehicles such as my service van would be be pulled over to the side and we'd have to step out and open every compartment in the van. You also opened the hood and they'd take a mirror and sweep around underneath. That wasn't every time you went through the gate, but I'd say it was like 1 in 5 trips.

I wasn't on Fort Hood today, but some of the other guys told me the jobs got shut down around 2. All this is pretty crazy. I hope the worst is over since they have 2 of the guys in custody.

[Toe Jam]

NBC: 500 military personnel sweeping the area

[Destino]

update: 12 dead one of the gunman dead (not sure if he is included in the 12)

[fire5man80]

Army Maj. w/ arabic sounding name. HMMMM....

[VASkins540]

Captured shooter was an Army Major with an "Arabic sounding name"

[Toe Jam]

Captured soldier was a major with an arabic sounding name according to NBC.

No intelligence to indicate a terror plot.

[Ellis]

Captured shooter was an Army Major with an "Arabic sounding name"
I am honestly not surprised.:doh:
And that's sad.

[Toe Jam]

Army Maj. w/ arabic sounding name. HMMMM....

Could just be a coincidence.

Not all Arabs are terrorists. Please try to remember that.

[jpillian]

From MSNBC coverage:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/


Milly Land, who works at the base fitness center, said she was headed for the graduation ceremony at 2 p.m. at the Howze Theater when the campus was locked down. She went back to the fitness center. She said she spoke by phone with friends at the soldier processing center, who said a gunman walked in about 1:30, walked to the medical area of the processing center, and started shooting. A second gunman was shooting at the theater next door, she said.

[Mad Mike]

Random unconfirmed info...

Suspect in custody a 40 yo male. and/or Sgt Major with an Arabic sounding name.

1 killed - 2 captured? All US sodiers. WTF?

[Madison Redskin]

Captured soldier was a major with an arabic sounding name according to NBC.

No intelligence to indicate a terror plot.

Okay, so we have multiple shooters, one gunman with an "Arabic sounding name," and shots fired at a place on base where troops are getting ready to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm making a leap here, but I'm guessing it's terrorism.

[Heisenberg]

I mean the DC Sniper was an ex-military guy with "an arabic" sounding name so this doesn't exactly guarantee what some of you are thinking.

[fire5man80]

Could just be a coincidence.

Not all Arabs are terrorists. Please try to remember that.
Did not say thay they are!!!!!! Please realize that.

[aREDSKIN]

12 dead 31 wounded.

[Toe Jam]

Did not say thay they are!!!!!! Please realize that.

I didn't mean to imply you did.

[Toe Jam]

Obama will give statement at 5 PM ET.

[Madison Redskin]

I mean the DC Sniper was an ex-military guy with "an arabic" sounding name so this doesn't exactly guarantee what some of you are thinking.

And he wasn't a terrorist?

[VASkins540]

Lt. Gen. @ Ft. Hood: Primary shooter used two handguns.

[Toe Jam]

Bno: Bulletin -- official: Ft. Hood shooter killed, two other suspects arrested

[abdcskins]

Two alleged shooters were US soldiers.

Who knows what their motives were. Perhaps they went crazy, or maybe they were angry at their treatment. Whatever it was, may they burn in hell.

[HailYeah]

CNN: uncofirmed reports that it is over. 3 shooters. one dead, two in custody. 12 dead 31 wounded.

[Heisenberg]

And he wasn't a terrorist?


Didn't say that.

Was referring to if anyone thought this was somehow related to AQ or whatever.

[Destino]

And he wasn't a terrorist?

He behaved like a serial killer more than anything else. He ranted about a jihad after he was caught and included drawings of Osama bin Laden but also characters from the Matrix (lol). Investigations never found any terrorist ties and during the attacks there were no terrorist-style communications.

[Toe Jam]

NBC raises a good question.

How the hell do you kill 12 people and wound 31 in a short period of time with just handguns?

[Toe Jam]

U.S. Army official confirms one civilian police officer among the fatalities in Fort Hood shootings.

[China]

NBC raises a good question.

How the hell do you kill 12 people and wound 31 in a short period of time with just handguns?

Military marksmanship training?

[HailYeah]

NBC raises a good question.

How the hell do you kill 12 people and wound 31 in a short period of time with just handguns?

Well I guess if there were three shooters. And it was a confined space. Look at the VTech.

[HailYeah]

Obama on now.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

NBC raises a good question.

How the hell do you kill 12 people and wound 31 in a short period of time with just handguns?

Same way the guy did at Va Tech? You get into a building with unarmed individuals, what are they going to do?

[Madison Redskin]

He behaved like a serial killer more than anything else. He ranted about a jihad after he was caught and included drawings of Osama bin Laden but also characters from the Matrix (lol). Investigations never found any terrorist ties and during the attacks there were no terrorist-style communications.

He wasn't a member of an Al Qaeda terrorist cell, but, in my mind, he was a terrorist. He was sympathetic towards Osama bin Laden, believed that America was a racist nation, he wanted to create an army of young soldiers who would fight a Holy War against America, and, according to Malvo, he wanted to wage a campaign of terror to get money to build his army.

[Toe Jam]

White House spokesman tells BNO News it is "gathering facts" on shooting; not commenting if shooting is terrorism-related

White House Situation Room is "continuing to monitor" Fort Hood situation, Bill Burton tells BNO News.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

He wasn't a member of an Al Qaeda terrorist cell, but, in my mind, he was a terrorist. He was sympathetic towards Osama bin Laden, believed that America was a racist nation, he wanted to create an army of young soldiers who would fight a Holy War against America, and, according to Malvo, he wanted to wage a campaign of terror to get money to build his army.

I thought the whole thing was just a giant scheme to kill his ex-wife?

[HailYeah]

Only one shooter. 2 others are "suspects".

[Heisenberg]

I thought the whole thing was just a giant scheme to kill his ex-wife?


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he and the Malvo kid were just kooks. I'm pretty sure there were several rambling "motives" mentioned or written down but like the earlier posters said - they mentioned crazy stuff like the Matrix movies and other stuff in addition to the AQ and Osama stuff.

I think the real reason was just some crazy elaborate scheme to kill his wife.

[Madison Redskin]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he and the Malvo kid were just kooks. I'm pretty sure there were several rambling "motives" mentioned or written down but like the earlier posters said - they mentioned crazy stuff like the Matrix movies and other stuff in addition to the AQ and Osama stuff.

I think the real reason was just some crazy elaborate scheme to kill his wife.

He wanted to kill his wife and thought the killings might make it difficult for police to pin his wife's murder on him. However, he clearly wanted to terrorize the DC area. He was ****** crazy, but, IMO, that doesn't change the fact that he was a terrorist.

[Heisenberg]

He wanted to kill his wife and thought the killings might make it difficult for police to pin his wife's murder on him. However, he clearly wanted to terrorize the DC area. He was ****** crazy, but, IMO, that doesn't change the fact that he was a terrorist.


I never said that he wasn't.

Like I said - my original post was saying "arabic sounding name" doesn't necessarily mean they were involved in terrorism from the ME.

[Madison Redskin]

I never said that he wasn't.

Like I said - my original post was saying "arabic sounding name" doesn't necessarily mean they were involved in terrorism from the ME.

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that, because the shooter has an "Arabic sounding name," it must be related to terrorism. I was just pointing out that is a very plausible theory since there are reports of multiple shooters and they targeted a center where troops are getting ready to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[aREDSKIN]

Only one shooter. 2 others are "suspects".

Well, reportedly there were eye witnesses to multiple shooters.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well lets just say it

Arabic sounding name=Muslim/Islamic terror

[SkinsHokieFan]

Reading this on another website

The name is

Malik Nadal Hassan

Thats pretty much Pakistani/Indian

[Toe Jam]

Bulletin -- u.s. Army official says its "too premature" to rule out terrorism.

[Destino]

He wasn't a member of an Al Qaeda terrorist cell, but, in my mind, he was a terrorist. He was sympathetic towards Osama bin Laden, believed that America was a racist nation, he wanted to create an army of young soldiers who would fight a Holy War against America, and, according to Malvo, he wanted to wage a campaign of terror to get money to build his army.

That's if you believe him. Most experts tend to think he was just a ranting lunatic that went that route after being caught. Some killer's have claimed that a talking dog told them to do it.

You really have to take the things mass murderers say with a grain of salt. Like I said before while ranting about what you are talking about he mixed in matrix references.

[Jofizz]

Makes me absolutely sick.

[IONTOP]

Major Malik Nadal Hasan...


Damn, here we go again... Cue the "Muslims must diiieee" chants... :(

[Toe Jam]

A U.S. official tells MSNBC that the Fort Hood shooter who was killed has been named as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.

[Toe Jam]

Major Malik Nadal Hasan...


Damn, here we go again... Cue the "Muslims must diiieee" chants... :(

FOX News is saying that perhaps this guy was upset about being send overseas to war. But that's unconfirmed.

[Toe Jam]

FOX News: Soldier was from Virginia. Did convert to Islam..

[abdcskins]

Clearly an Arabic name.

Means nothing at this point, other than it points towards a possible idealogical component to this. Matter of fact, I am gonna go out on a limb an say that he got brainwashed by some Islamic extremist garbage.

He was a Major too. Man...

[Corcaigh]

Bulletin -- u.s. Army official says its "too premature" to rule out terrorism.

Not a useful statement unless there is evidence.

To me, terrorism is violent acts, or threats of violence, performed by an organization to achieve political goals. A serial killer isn't a terrorist.

[aREDSKIN]

FOX News: Soldier was from Virginia. Did convert to Islam..

Another John Mohammad (AKA the DC sniper) episode??

[Toe Jam]

Not a useful statement unless there is evidence.

To me, terrorism is violent acts, or threats of violence, performed by an organization to achieve political goals. A serial killer isn't a terrorist.

I agree with you.

Just posting what I see.

[Corcaigh]

How do you get to be a Major in the US Army if you think like that?

[hawgboy]

Sickening...my heart goes out to families friends and comerades of victims. My spite to the perps.

[UtahSkinsFanatic]

If this is the guy, his Facebook profile is chilling. Take a look at his organizations and pay attention to "forgive me Allah".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609

After further researching, it isn't the guy. I apologize for my error!

[Jofizz]

FOX News is saying that perhaps this guy was upset about being send overseas to war. But that's unconfirmed.

Yeah, so go and murder our own troops. Solves everything.

[Jofizz]

If this is the guy, his Facebook profile is chilling. Take a look at his organizations and pay attention to "forgive me Allah".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609

Oh wow. WOW.

[Destino]

If this is the guy, his Facebook profile is chilling. Take a look at his organizations and pay attention to "forgive me Allah".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609

His facebook friends right now are thinking "oh ****... better prepare for an FBI visit"

[Toe Jam]

BNO News source: Fort Hood shootings took place at processing center and a theater; three shooters in total.

[Corcaigh]

If this is the guy, his Facebook profile is chilling. Take a look at his organizations and pay attention to "forgive me Allah".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609

I'm not sure I understand?

Would membership of a 'Forgive me Jesus' group be viewed the same?

[jpillian]

How do you get to be a Major in the US Army if you think like that?

There are crazies at all ranks. I keep seeing "convert" associated with this guy, so perhaps there's been some instability that led to his conversion (not in anyway saying that converts to anything are inherently unstable -- just that they're looking for a dramatic change in worldview). Perhaps multiple deployments? Perhaps perceived injustices? Who the heck knows.

But you're right, I wouldn't think it'd be as likely from a mid-level officer.

On the other hand, I knew some Maj's in Iraq that darn well nearly had nervous breakdowns.

[Burgundy Burner]

Terrorism. Calling it now - with ME connections.

Put the other two in a small cell with the Fort Dix six for life.

[Destino]

There are crazies at all ranks. I keep seeing "convert" associated with this guy, so perhaps there's been some instability that led to his conversion (not in anyway saying that converts to anything are inherently unstable -- just that they're looking for a dramatic change in worldview). Perhaps multiple deployments? Perhaps perceived injustices? Who the heck knows.

But you're right, I wouldn't think it'd be as likely from a mid-level officer.

On the other hand, I knew some Maj's in Iraq that darn well nearly had nervous breakdowns.
I had a friend that called it that "goon factor". Basically any large group regardless of the vetting process would include a certain number of bad people. If it happens amongst priests (of all people) no group is safe.

[jpillian]

Would membership of a 'Forgive me Jesus' group be viewed the same?

Immediately after committing murder, I'd think it'd take on a different context.

Though I'm not sure I see anything else "chilling" about his associations on that page.

[InsaneBoost]

I'm not sure I understand?

Would membership of a 'Forgive me Jesus' group be viewed the same?

He's Muslim or at least converted, in the AMERICAN military which is fighting his people etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if they used him to get inside and do what happened.

Honestly attacking a Readiness center, correct me if I'm wrong for those who have served. The soldiers wouldn't have been armed in there correct? Giving them a free area for a massacre?

[Toe Jam]

If this Major who allegedly converted to Islam (and if he is black, African-American for those who prefer hyphens, its going to fuel the fire after several other incidents involving Islamic convertees and assaults against the military this year) did this not because of PTS but because of an Islamic idealogy, yes it will be seen as a terrorist act and I hope justice (Death Penalty) will be swift and not slowed by anti war types and the ACLU.

:secret:

He's already dead.

[renaissance]

Um, were not fighting a war against the Muslim people.

[Toe Jam]

Um, were not fighting a war against the Muslim people.

Huge co-sign.

[Destino]

He's Muslim or at least converted, in the AMERICAN military which is fighting his people etc.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda do not represent all Muslims. Come on man...

[Jofizz]

Um, were not fighting a war against the Muslim people.

[jpillian]

He's Muslim or at least converted, in the AMERICAN military which is fighting his people etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if they used him to get inside and do what happened.

Honestly attacking a Readiness center, correct me if I'm wrong for those who have served. The soldiers wouldn't have been armed in there correct? Giving them a free area for a massacre?

99% of soldiers on any Army post are not armed with live ammunition. The only time they have live ammo are for some sort of weapons qualification at a firing range, occurring semi-annually/annually.

So yes, you're right, no one at the Readiness Center would have a loaded weapon to defend themselves.

Then again, no one pretty much anywhere (except at a firing range, or an MP) has live ammo on a military post.

AND ditto the sentiment: Muslim != enemy of the US, in any shape or capacity

[InsaneBoost]

The Taliban and Al Qaeda do not represent all Muslims. Come on man...

I know this quite well. What I'm saying is, if he in fact converted to the extremist style, that's a way they look at things. The West versus them.

[royallypwned]

I think this could be the guy's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hasanthadon

[newage_hog]

Honestly attacking a Readiness center, correct me if I'm wrong for those who have served. The soldiers wouldn't have been armed in there correct? Giving them a free area for a massacre?

^^^^ This statement is correct, but almost ALL soldiers are unarmed on post.




Jpillian beat me to it....lol

[InsaneBoost]

99% of soldiers on any Army post are not armed with live ammunition. The only time they have live ammo are for some sort of weapons qualification at a firing range, occurring semi-annually/annually.

So yes, you're right, no one at the Readiness Center would have a loaded weapon to defend themselves.

Then again, no one pretty much anywhere (except at a firing range, or an MP) has live ammo on a military post.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Jofizz]

I think this could be the guy's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hasanthadon

He has the U.S. Army listed under networks.

[aREDSKIN]

reported that the terrorist was an Army psychologist or psychiatric.

[royallypwned]

He has the U.S. Army listed under networks.

He is the right age, in the Army, in Texas. It is probably the guy. Once CNN releases a picture of him, then we'll know 100% if it is.

[Jofizz]

I think this could be the guy's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hasanthadon

Titled "Iraq '09"

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/23/l_6709980ae60647c1910559104a3ab027.jpg

[ThinSkin]

I think I heard his rank was Sergeant Major. That would make him an Enlisted man, not an Officer.

[jpillian]

Titled "Iraq '09"

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/23/l_6709980ae60647c1910559104a3ab027.jpg

That guy is listed as a SGT from 1996-2003.

From that, I'm doubtful that's the guy.

:whoknows:

[Jofizz]

CNN: Hasan served at Walter Reed before, mental health specialist.

[Jofizz]

CNN: Hasan is an M.D.

[VASkins540]

That guy is listed as a SGT from 1996-2003.

From that, I'm doubtful that's the guy.

:whoknows:

Plus it looks like he lists his MOS as 92Y, which would make him a Unit Supply Specialist.

Assuming I'm reading it correctly.

[NattyLight]

Um guys, his occupation says "contractor".

[VASkins540]

^ That too. :silly:

And it says he went to high school in Maine.

[ljs]

I'm not sure I understand?

Would membership of a 'Forgive me Jesus' group be viewed the same?

If a large group with varied smaller groups around the world who had extreme Christian values, and waged war against those who did not- then yes.


Um, were not fighting a war against the Muslim people.

you are correct, however, The Taliban and Al Qaeda are extreme muslim groups that hate America due to our Christian roots and they hate Christains around the world. Whether people in the US want to believe it, many people see us as Christian nation as they see Afganistan as a Muslim nation, and the Taliban as a Muslim group.

edit: removed myspace comment....If he is Muslim, (I'm not saying he converted as part of the Taliban) but whose to say his religion didn't have something to do with his actions?

its a valid point, its a valid question to ask.

[gunslinger5]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2q8axbn.jpg

[Jofizz]

Looks like false alarm on the Myspace.

[Toe Jam]

Looks like false alarm on the Myspace.

Yep.

Now let's find out who that MySpace guy is and save him from his wretched fandom of the New York Giants.:silly:

[aREDSKIN]

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/ht_hasan_hood_091105_main.jpg

Jordanian



http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/ht_hasan_hood_091105_main.jpg

[royallypwned]

okay oops, sorry for the false alarm. And apologies to the guy whose myspace I linked! haha

[ThinSkin]

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/ht_hasan_hood_091105_main.jpg

Jordanian



http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/ht_hasan_hood_091105_main.jpg

Sleeper cell.

[Jofizz]

Went F. Edward Herbert school of medicine in Bethesda according to CNN.

[NattyLight]

The only silver lining in this whole thing is that this ******* is dead. Otherwise he would have just "allegedly" killed 11 people, even though dozens of witnesses, who are AMERICAN PATRIOTS were witness to it. **** this guy, let's move on to torturing the people in custody.

[Toe Jam]

So this doesn't really add up.

He was a mental health expert so I find it highly unlikely that he just suddenly snapped.

He's Jordanian. Which is kind of out of left field.

[Toe Jam]

The only silver lining in this whole thing is that this ******* is dead. Otherwise he would have just "allegedly" killed 11 people, even though dozens of witnesses, who are AMERICAN PATRIOTS were witness to it. **** this guy, let's move on to torturing the people in custody.

There is only one guy for this type of job.

[Destino]

The only silver lining in this whole thing is that this ******* is dead. Otherwise he would have just "allegedly" killed 11 people, even though dozens of witnesses, who are AMERICAN PATRIOTS were witness to it. **** this guy, let's move on to torturing the people in custody.
If you are thinking about making this political, don't.

[lovetoaster]

If you are thinking about making this political, don't.

I don't think that was the intention at all.

[Burgundy Burner]

So this doesn't really add up.

He was a mental health expert so I find it highly unlikely that he just suddenly snapped.

He's Jordanian. Which is kind of out of left field.

Refer to my earlier statement. ME connections and it was a terrorist strike.

[Toe Jam]

Refer to my earlier statement. ME connections and it was a terrorist strike.

I don't know if I'd go that far.

But it hasn't been ruled out.

Usually the first thing the FBI does is come out and say it wasn't terrorism.

[Burgundy Burner]

I don't know if I'd go that far.

But it hasn't been ruled out.

Usually the first thing the FBI does is come out and say it wasn't terrorism.

It isn't rocket science at this point. I mentioned the ME connections well before the picture of a Jordanian national was made public. Just watch what happens in the coming days/weeks/months, etc.

I didn't mention the Fort Dix six without a reason.

[Duckus]

Refer to my earlier statement. ME connections and it was a terrorist strike.

I seriously doubt it - but you never know.

[NattyLight]

If you are thinking about making this political, don't.

This guy just killed 11 US soldiers on US soil. There is nothing political or circumstantial about this. In most instances, this would be considered an act of or pertaining to war. So yeah, whatever you say.

[Toe Jam]

It isn't rocket science at this point. I mentioned the ME connections well before the picture of a Jordanian national was made public. Just watch what happens in the coming days/weeks/months, etc.

I didn't mention the Fort Dix six without a reason.

It doesn't seem very Al Qaeda-ish though.

[Burgundy Burner]

It doesn't seem very Al Qaeda-ish though.

I'm not saying it is. In fact, I highly doubt it. It's not political either - so, no need to go in that direction.

[SkinsHokieFan]

FOX reporting this guy graduated from Virginia Tech in 1997 :doh:

[ljs]

So this doesn't really add up.

He was a mental health expert so I find it highly unlikely that he just suddenly snapped.

He's Jordanian. Which is kind of out of left field.

I've worked with a lot of people in that field- and it doesnt' mean they are any more stable than the rest of us.

And Jordanians- many/most muslim and there have been people linked to extremism there. not sure why you think its out of left field.

[Toe Jam]

FOX reporting this guy graduated from Virginia Tech in 1997 :doh:

MSNBC just said that too.

Wow.

[ThinSkin]

This seems similar to the Muslim American Army Sgt. who rolled a couple of grenades into a tent full of soldiers at the start of the Gulf War some years ago. Happened in Kuwait I believe.

[Toe Jam]

Chris Matthews:

"In America.. we're having problems"

[aREDSKIN]

What are the nationalities of the other two in custody???

Reportedly, they've been released. A lone gunman IMO.

[Madison Redskin]

This seems similar to the Muslim American Army Sgt. who rolled a couple of grenades into a tent full of soldiers at the start of the Gulf War some years ago. Happened in Kuwait I believe.

Yup. I still remember the video of that **** sitting in cuffs outside a tent.

[nonniey]

Well, interesting watching the News programs fumbling about with their reports. It shows me just how clueless news organizations are on how the military operates. CNN was trumpeting that there would be no need for a Doctor to be armed and were wondering how a he could be armed given his specialty, implying he used military weapons. In reality no-one but MPs would be routinely armed on post. They seem to have missed that the most likely scenario is that he used privately owned weapons. (BTW on a seperate note - doctors can have side arms in War-zones, only chaplains are unarmed).

[Jofizz]

There is a gentleman on Fox-News that worked with this guy, here are some of the things he said that Hasan expressed:

"Muslims will stand up and fight against the aggressors"

"We should not be in the war"

Expressed forms of happiness about shooting in Little Rock at military training center.

"This is what we should do, stand up to the aggressors".

Take it for what its worth.

[Toe Jam]

BNO News: BULLETIN -- OFFICIAL: TWO SUSPECTS IN FORT HOOD SHOOTINGS RELEASED, THIRD PERSON ARRESTED AS "PERSON OF INTEREST."

[Destino]

There is a gentleman on Fox-News that worked with this guy, here are some of the things he said that Hasan expressed:

"Muslims will stand up and fight against the aggressors"

"We should not be in the war"

Expressed forms of happiness about shooting in Little Rock at military training center.

"This is what we should do, stand up to the aggressors".

Take it for what its worth.
Wouldn't this be... I don't know... a bad thing for a member of the military to say? I mean talk about red flags!

[Jofizz]

BNO News: BULLETIN -- OFFICIAL: TWO SUSPECTS IN FORT HOOD SHOOTINGS RELEASED, THIRD PERSON ARRESTED AS "PERSON OF INTEREST."

Interesting.

I wonder why there were multiple on-site sources saying there were multiple shooters. Maybe they are yet to be found if thats true.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Interesting.

I wonder why there were multiple on-site sources saying there were multiple shooters. Maybe they are yet to be found if thats true.

When the Virginia Tech shootings occured there were several reports of "multiple gunmen"

Its just the fog of the action when an event like this initially happens

[Burgundy Burner]

Expressed forms of happiness about shooting in Little Rock at military training center.

Ding, ding, ding. Someone mentioned the granade attack in Kuwait. Fort Dix six.

[Toe Jam]

Cousin of the shooter is on Fox News now.

[Jofizz]

Cousin of shooter on with Fox News now. Apparently this guy grew up in NOVA.

[Jofizz]

"He is a good American".

[Jofizz]

"Dealing with harassment from Military colleagues".

[Jofizz]

"Always been muslim" never converted, always of Islam faith.

[Toe Jam]

He was of Islamic faith before he even enlisted in the military.

[Toe Jam]

The "harassment" got to him..

[Jofizz]

"Went to HS in Northern Virginia".

[Jofizz]

"Never went to Iraq", worked at Walter Reed, dealt with patients that served overseas.

[renaissance]

Wow I can't believe that cousin was even on the news.

[airborneskins]

Wow I can't believe that cousin was even on the news.

I dont think that was his actual cousin. Did you hear how abruptly he ended the interview? Also that guy that said that he worked with him at Ft. Hood seemed a little fishy as well. Didnt the news report that the shooter had worked at Walter Reed until he was transferred to Ft. Hood earlier this year?

[Toe Jam]

CNN source: Fort Hood shooter is a U.S. citizen of Jordanian descent

[renaissance]

I dont think that was his actual cousin. Did you hear how abruptly he ended the interview? Also that guy that said that he worked with him at Ft. Hood seemed a little fishy as well. Didnt the news report that the shooter had worked at Walter Reed until he was transferred to Ft. Hood earlier this year?

I just saw the end of the interview with the cousin. The way the interview ended either someone told him to get off the phone or he realized he needed to stop talking.

If it was the cousin, the guy is an idiot for talking to the media right now.

[Destino]

Being reported now that he was not shooting randomly... he was shooting at specific people.

[ljs]

I also heard on the news that this guy was adament about not wanting to go to Iraq, and was scheduled to be deployed next month. Sounds like he had made comments to people about supporting fellow muslims, was against the US being in the middle east. curious to see how this will continue to pan out.

Just heard Retired Col Terry Lee on Fox, who knew the suspect and had heard him make numerous comments about his feelings against the war, against US foreign policy. Col. Lee also said he was not surprised at todays actions, yet he never felt the need to report anything- he took the comments with a grain of salt.

[cjcdaman]

I also heard on the news that this guy was adament about not wanting to go to Iraq, and was scheduled to be deployed next month. Sounds like he had made comments to people about supporting fellow muslims, was against the US being in the middle east. curious to see how this will continue to pan out.

:peace1:

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Wow. The guy is still alive.

[ljs]

yeah, just heard he is only wounded..

female civilian cop who shot him.

[Toe Jam]

yeah, just heard he is only wounded..

female civilian cop who shot him.

What the eff?

They've been saying "he's dead" for five hours!

[renaissance]

Maybe that's why the "cousin" had to get off the phone so suddenly.....

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Said he was shot multiple times.

[UtahSkinsFanatic]

This is getting more bizarre by the moment.

[Mickalino]

Wow. The guy is still alive.

While 72 Virgins are upset that they have to wait a little longer.

[Duckus]

This is why there is no point watching cable news right after an incident like this. They don't know ****. They just talk and talk to fill up time.

We will know a lot more in 24 hours. People just need to calm down and let authorities do their job.

[hunterr]

I'm stationed at Hood. Live about 5 miles away actually. The base has been locked down and just recently opened again. Things are very confusing to those around here not in the know about what's going on. There will most likely be a lot more info tomorrow after things have calmed down. Everyone wants answers now and that's not going to happen unfortunately. The news speculates on a lot but yeah, kinda surprising they are now saying he's still alive. I also don't really like the "suspected shooter" when there's a bunch of witnesses. Oh well.

[mistertim]

What the eff?

They've been saying "he's dead" for five hours!

Yeah, and I thought it was actually the Army saying he was dead; not just random media speculation. Very odd. Did someone just forget to take his pulse for 5 hours or something?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Still alive?

Uh, something is very fishy here

[Burgundy Burner]

I'm stationed at Hood. Live about 5 miles away actually. The base has been locked down and just recently opened again. Things are very confusing to those around here not in the know about what's going on. There will most likely be a lot more info tomorrow after things have calmed down. Everyone wants answers now and that's not going to happen unfortunately. The news speculates on a lot but yeah, kinda surprising they are now saying he's still alive. I also don't really like the "suspected shooter" when there's a bunch of witnesses. Oh well.

Hey, I'm just glad to see that you are with us and posting here. I'll say some prayers for your fallen brethren this evening. But, it's good to see that you are safe.

[UtahSkinsFanatic]

Here is more info. The female civilian police officer that was reportedly killed actually is alive also. She is the one that shot the suspect.

[StillUnknown]

Here is more info. The female civilian police officer that was reportedly killed actually is alive also. She is the one that shot the suspect.

that is definitely great news


on another note, how did they miss the info that the shooter was still breathing? every report had him as dead, not struggling to survive after being shot

[ljs]

I watched the news conference from the Army- they couldn't really say why everyone reported he was dead- oh well, maybe it will lead to some answers, but no matter what his reasons, it won't make sense to many.


hunterr, glad you are ok.

[Mickalino]

Wow, this is an interesting quote from the brother of one of the surviving victims :

“They shot me! And I’m still here in this country!” Dustin Bono quoted his sister as saying.

Interesting choice of the word "they"

[bishtw]

The only silver lining in this whole thing is that this ******* is dead. Otherwise he would have just "allegedly" killed 11 people, even though dozens of witnesses, who are AMERICAN PATRIOTS were witness to it. **** this guy, let's move on to torturing the people in custody.

Looks like there is no silver lining he is still alive as per yahoo.

[Madison Redskin]

Looks like there is no silver lining he is still alive as per yahoo.

I think that is the silver lining. He'll sit in a jail cell for a few years, knowing that he will be put to death.

[mojo]

The VA Tech curse continues. One of the shooters was a Tech grad!

[Mickalino]

I think that is the silver lining. He'll sit in a jail cell for a few years, knowing that he will be put to death.

Maybe he won't last for years - hopefully he'll be mixed with the general inmates, who will see to it, that Sphincter Boy has a bitter experience in the slammer.

[Enter Apotheosis]

While 72 Virgins are upset that they have to wait a little longer.

That's just unnecessary, Mick.

[Special K]

First, my thoughts and prayers go out to all members of our military, whether stationed in Fort Hood or anywhere (hunterr, I'm really glad to hear you are ok). What a terrible tragedy...the bullcrap that goes on in this world is almost unbearable. I can't imagine what the loved ones of the injured and deceased are going through, I wish I had the power to take peoples' pain away. :(

Secondly, I am actually happy this mentally derranged shooter is still alive. So many times these frickwads have the luxury of going out in their own little blaze of glory. I'm glad this man is going to have to face the music. I hope he's put on suicide watch, rots in a jail cell and dreads the day he is put to death on society's terms, not his.

[royallypwned]

Secondly, I am actually happy this mentally derranged shooter is still alive. So many times these frickwads have the luxury of going out in their own little blaze of glory. I'm glad this man is going to have to face the music. I hope he's put on suicide watch, rots in a jail cell and dreads the day he is put to death on society's terms, not his.

:yes: +∞ :applause:

[jpillian]

I can't imagine the military intentionally misled anyone as to this guy being dead. I imagine it was just a matter of dealing with 40 some odd wounded personnel, trying to figure out security, and trying to start an investigation. Hearing that the officer that shot him is still alive as well also leads me to this conclusion. Lots of confusion I imagine.

What I am wondering at this point: were there "only" 10 that were killed now? Or is the number still at 12?

[renaissance]

I hate when the news people overuse technology. CNN is especially guilty of it in cases like these.

[renaissance]

What I am wondering at this point: were there "only" 10 that were killed now? Or is the number still at 12?

Everything I heard was 11 + the suspect.

[zoony]

well said keastmann and glad you're okay hunterr

[Destino]

First, my thoughts and prayers go out to all members of our military, whether stationed in Fort Hood or anywhere (hunterr, I'm really glad to hear you are ok). What a terrible tragedy...the bullcrap that goes on in this world is almost unbearable. I can't imagine what the loved ones of the injured and deceased are going through, I wish I had the power to take peoples' pain away. :(

Secondly, I am actually happy this mentally derranged shooter is still alive. So many times these frickwads have the luxury of going out in their own little blaze of glory. I'm glad this man is going to have to face the music. I hope he's put on suicide watch, rots in a jail cell and dreads the day he is put to death on society's terms, not his.

I agree with all of this. Well put Keeastman.

[Destino]

I hate when the news people overuse technology. CNN is especially guilty of it in cases like these.

remember the holograms? oh boy... lol

[Skins4SB]

Virginia native and Virginia Tech graduate. Embarassing.

[renaissance]

Virginia native and Virginia Tech graduate. Embarassing.

Yea, it's definitely the Commonwealth and VT's fault :doh:

[Toe Jam]

remember the holograms? oh boy... lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deoOTqT-SMI

[NattyLight]

keeastman, while I applaud your altruism, this dude needs to ****ing be stabbed in the throat. Tax money, exhaustive legal proceedings, and of the other bull**** that goes in to "rotting" in prison is garbage.

But for all I know, the media probably ****ed up that this was the dude that actually committed the murders... but for the next year he "allegedly" killed 10+ people, until thousands upon thousands of dollars are expended to "prove" that he killed people, and after 10's of thousands of dollars he's received the death penalty in the better part of a decade.

I'm down for the constitution and everything, but that **** was written before stuff like video cameras and the internet and widespread up to date accounts of what the **** is going on.

Kill him now, please.

[Ryman of the North]

put him in a pig carcass smother him in lard and bury him in a refuse pile. this will send a message.

this is why people are afraid of Islam, this guy was supposedly an american citizen of jordanian decent, his rampage was triggered by his having to serve overseas against other muslims. now for the truly scary part, given birth rates muslims will outnumber every other religion in less than 15 years.

[skinfan13]

This Maj. should be one of the first cases of wartime execution in a long time. His CO should have him lined up blindfolded against a wall and shot. end of story.

I cannot express how furious I am about this.

[DjTj]

Interesting tidbit in the Post article:
Hasan was an avid Redskins fan. "That was his main entertainment," his aunt said.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110505216_3.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009110504565

Could he have been a member here? The Stadium has certainly been full of unstable personalities recently...

[Toe Jam]

Interesting tidbit in the Post article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110505216_3.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009110504565

Could he have been a member here? The Stadium has certainly been full of unstable personalities recently...

I was here all night.

It wasn't me.

:paranoid:

[Burgundy Burner]

Ok, where's TK?






:D

[skinfan13]

I was here all night.

It wasn't me.

:paranoid:


Ok, where's TK?






:D not. funny. at. all.

[royallypwned]

Don't know if it was already mentioned, but there is a surveillance video of him at a 7-11 the early morning of the shooting. It is on the main page of CNN right now.

[aREDSKIN]

Will he be tried in a military or civilian court??

[twa]

Will he be tried in a military or civilian court??

He is military and it occurred on base...military would seem automatic.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

He is military and it occurred on base...military would seem automatic.

Absolutely.

[aREDSKIN]

Absolutely.

Goodbye & enjoy the 72.



http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2009/11/05/ac.hasan.video.cnn.640x360.jpg


See the video here.................http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[skinfan13]

you know, I don't think I would be that upset if the MP's accidentally let a cattle prod fall on his skin. by accident. multiple times.

[SnyderShrugged]

I'm greatly saddened by these events. I have some friends that live there and they were so scared yesterday. Many. many prayers for all who have been impacted personally in this.

[Rocky21]

Man, what is with Virginia Tech and all the ties to violence? Some kind of crazy coincidence I guess.

[Zguy28]

Wow, this is an interesting quote from the brother of one of the surviving victims :

“They shot me! And I’m still here in this country!” Dustin Bono quoted his sister as saying.

Interesting choice of the word "they"Interesting indeed since the news is reporting that the shooter wanted out of the Army because he has been harassed as a Muslim since 9/11. They are also reporting that some witnesses believe they heard him yelling "God is Great!" in Arabic during the shooting. :(

[Titaw]

He will be tried in both. Military first then civilian. Oh and the Death Penalty is almost a slam dunk because his act will be considered treason and under the UCMJ (Unifocrm Code of Military Justice) it is punishable by death. Not to mention that if he luck boxes past the death penalty in military court he has to face the Texas court system so, like I said, the death penalty is pretty much a slam dunk.

[SnyderShrugged]

some sobering pictures...

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Dramatic-Photos-Fort-Hood-Shooting-69319852.html

[SkinsTerps26]

please don't ignore the fact that he has mental issues.

race/beliefs are not the issue here as much as knowing how to properly identify those individuals with mental health issues, this is what this tragedy should be about. just like the vtech shooter.

not defending him in the slightest, but i would hope this doesn't turn into a bashing of islam, and more importantly, muslim americans.