Did the Defense quit for the season or just this week?

[skinsfanno9]

Considering they had a whole extra week off and then flat out quit on the field, you gotta wonder whether the defense just decided to extend their vacation for an extra week or whether they pondered things over the break and just decided to quit for the rest of the season?

Anyone disagree that the defense quit on the field?

My answer is that after looking at the circus that is the Redskins these days, they've probably decided it just doesn't matter, and have tossed in the towel for the season.

[Buford]

They were overrated all last year, and this year. Their stats look usually good. But they give up key plays all the time.

[hail2skins]

Point wise the defense allowed 24.......I wouldn't necessarily call it a horrible effort.

Hopes for the D have been raised because of the decent performance against some of the NFL's bottom feeders. Sooner or later, you have to expect a bit of a letdown, especially against a decent team like Atlanta.

[Hitman#21]

I hope not, that would be very depressing.

[Englands Team]

I dont blame the D. I just think no matter what we do we just find ways to lose. Offence finally shows some signs of life and they cant hold.

It was the same second half of last season. We just find ways to lose.

:doh:

[Oldskool]

Blache's scheme sucks. Period. The players are out of position constantly. The 10 yard WR/CB cushion is appalling. We never blitz when we need to and when we do, they are poorly designed.

Their needs to be a complete culling of the coaching staff including our beloved Dannyboy apologist DC.

[skinsfanno9]

I dont blame the D. I just think no matter what we do we just find ways to lose. Offence finally shows some signs of life and they cant hold.

It was the same second half of last season. We just find ways to lose.

:doh:

I would submit that we found a pretty easy way to lose - we stopped giving effort, and gave up on tackling the opposing players.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Our Secondary has shown poor tackling all season. They are poorly coached. Blache needs to go and Gray is a sorry excuse who is getting too much hype. His unit is the main one on our defesne that can't tackle.

[Rdskns2000]

When you have an offense that can't score beyond 17 and with the team now at 2-6; I will say they will quit. They will just go through the motions for the rest of the year.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

somwhere in the Dome...Greg Williams is smiling

[celticsalmon]

This D has learned very well from Jason Taylor

[Dallascrushers]

I agree the defensive play calling by Blache is a joke...the main reason that Blache hasn't talked to the media is because he knows his scheme sucks and is causing big plays to occur. I think the comments earlier about the cb cushion is a major issue. I understand not wanting to let up the big play but it is like we live and die by protecting against the big play by having landry deep ( I mean we have been playing this defense since gregg williams was here) these guys love playing the safety in center field and the right and left fielders (hall and rogers) are playing on the warning track waiting for a catch at the outfield wall

[bulldog]

the Redskins defense has not faced very good competition over the first 7 games, and now with the better teams coming up schedule-wise I think you are going to see that some of the players on this unit are overrated and overpaid.

even though he is still a force at times inside, it is also clear that Haynesworth is still playing 15-20 pounds above what he did for Tenn last season and that may in part account for his coming in and out of the lineup with nagging injuries.

DeAngelo Hall has 3 interceptions but has shown himself to be a poor tackler in the open field and in run support.

For what the Redskins are paying him his all-around game should be a lot better than it has been at 2-6.

Today, the defensive line was pushed back and allowed Michael Turner to blow by for large gains that deflated any comebacks the team was fashioning.

Yes, Landry and Hall missed tackles on Turner but then again both players were encountering him 15-20 yards down the field.

Where were the DL and linebackers? Where was the strong safety?

[Monkfan63]

They did not quit. They built their reputation on some bad offensive teams. They are an average defense.

[Smurf85]

A lot of people in here think we have some great defense. Well they give up big plays every week. Really when it comes down to it this team just flat out sucks.

[Koolblue13]

The front 7 looks very good and tries hard every play. Some of the guys in the back do to, just not all of them.

[bulldog]

Right now I think the difference is the offense simply lacks the talent to be effective.

Whereas the defense has the talent overall to be effective, but in some cases the players are being played out of position and in other cases you have players that are free-lancing and not playing the scheme and are not being held to account for it.

Haynesworth didn't keep gap control on a couple of the inside rushes that Turner took down the field.

Hall gambles a LOT on the pick and leaves the team in the lurch when he isn't able to get his hands on the ball.

Orakpo is not a natural LB and is frequently out of position as the SAM.

Horton and Doughty are being exposed as neither has the quickness to make plays down the field.

[Bang]

The DL and linebackers played their usual game.
the secondary on the other hand....

Everyone now knows Landry flat out stinks. He takes bad angles and dives at the feet of every single tackle he tries to make, unless it's on a guy who's already out of bounds,, then he blows them up.

Carlos Rogers plays so deep off of receivers and turns his back on so many blocks that I sincerely think he's afraid to play the game. I honestly question his heart and his courage.

Horton can't find the ballcarrier. Doughty is coming around as a pretty good tackler this year, but lining up in the neutral zone is indicative of one thing... BAD COACHING.
Hall got lucky today that the Falcons realized how easy it would be to pick on Rogers all day that they more or less left him alone. One come back out route that Roddy White ran in front of him in the first half had Daryl Johnston telling everyone how Hall was just sitting on the ball and Ryan got lucky.
M<aybe it was just me but i saw White drop a ball that hit him dead in the hands while Hall was lazily turning pirouettes 3 yards away.
His role in the fight was just a punk-ass move.

Our secondary is terrible. Badly coached and severely lacking in talent / heart / guts. No one can convince me LaRon Landry can play football at this level. No one.
I don't think he can tackle ME.

~Bang

[darklight1216]

I'd didn't watch the entire game, but it seems like the Redskins defense just isn't as good as some of the fans think they are. They've been playing practice squads all year long so of course they're going to have some excellent stats, but just like last year, they are prone to giving up big plays.

[ttr77]

This is what happens when you play good offenses. I expect it to get worse as the season goes on.

[SirClintonPortis]

I am entertaining conspiracy theories that Jerry Gray is deliberately doing a ****ty job with the secondary....

[RandyHolt]

Every defense we face is more aggressive than ours. Playing so soft brings out no energy no passion for the game is seen. Our defense gives fans little to cheer about. It spills over to the players. Do you think Wilson wants to chase Gonzo in the end zone or attack Ryan? Both Landry and Orakpo are playing out of their best positions otherwise we are a very strong team on paper.

The only time we get off the field is when the QB throws an errant pass.

Blache calls the most passive defense in the league. Always has always will. Our offense has to play mistake free for Blache's scheme to work. All teams makes mistakes for one, and two, our offense is horrible. GB needed to roll the dice and play aggressive like all other teams do, to pressure teams force turnovers, and gain momentum field position and everything else.

Blache is a failure that is unable to adjust. Same thing every game.

[Mordac]

They didn't quit, they just played a decent offense today. The Falcons only needed their first 2 touchdowns today but they would have scored more if they needed to.

[Monrovia_Redskin]

The defense gives up key plays and big plays too much w/out making big plays of their own like actually causing a few turnovers! The defense can still keep any team with a normal offense in a game, but the redskins offense is extraordinarily CRAPPY so that doesn't really matter. the offense gives up a safety or a TD return every game it seems like and thats no helping things obviously. The redskins D has been pretty weak against the run all season. i wasn't surprised m.turner got those big runs. when is Landry gonna force some turnovers?

[skinsfanno9]

I'd didn't watch the entire game, but it seems like the Redskins defense just isn't as good as some of the fans think they are. They've been playing practice squads all year long so of course they're going to have some excellent stats, but just like last year, they are prone to giving up big plays.

Maybe you guys are right - perhaps the defense didn't quit. You are essentially saying they sucked from the get-go, but it wasn't as noticeable due to playing sub-par teams. That's a reasonable position I suppose.

But it really looked to me like they had a total lack of effort on a number of those running plays. Are you really saying they've had a total lack of effort on the defense all year?

[Iowa Redskin Fan]

I think the offense and defense are just the opposite. The offense's scheme is alright just needs better players and the defense has good players but needs a different scheme.:dallasuck

[jkypoo]

I don't think our defense quit.
I don't think anyone on our defense quit.
I just think that Landry has yet to show up this season.
You can't quit until you show up.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

While our secondary deserves a lot of blame. Haynsworths arrival has meant more pressure on the QB but it also means more running backs getting to the second level on our defense. Under Gregg we stopped the run priority #1 and everybody on the team tackled. The skins lack dicipline Blache and Gray should be put on notice.

[theTruthTeller]

Playing soft only works against teams with weak offenses. You can't do it week in and week out without getting burned by teams with mediocre offenses. And the Falcons are a mediocre offense.

[chunks64]

The D is doing the best that they can. Its the offenses fault for sucking so bad that the Defense plays 40 minutes of the 60. Of course the other teams are going to score when the defense gets tired. You cant blame the defense for how the season has turned out so far

[redskin mark]

Man, today :cry:I really miss Sean Taylor!!!:cry:

[F-16 CHIEF]

This is only the beginning. We're going to start losing games by 40 points because the "easy" part of the schedule is over.

Honestly. Who cares?

[KillaCam21]

we beat maybe the two worst teams in the league at home by a combined 5 points. If we played either the rams or the bucs on the road we would have lost. To everyone blaming the offense, yes it's bad, probably the worst in the league, but even if the offense was as good as the defense we'd still be no better than 3-5, and probably the same 2-6. We've had the easiest schedule so far which is why, even at 2-6, our record is INFLATED:doh:. I'd be very surprised if we won another game all year. This team doesnt just suck, it's agonizingly pathetic. every aspect is pathetic. Just look at how they lost that panthers game. The blocker gets shoved into the returner on a fair catch, are you ****ing kidding me? They face a big running back like turner, he averages 10 YPC, no one wants to tackle him.

Did they give up? who knows, but it doesnt matter anyway. They'd be 4-12 or worse if they tried their hardest. once again, they're not only bad, they're stupid and pathetic. we've known this for weeks though. it's Time to look forward to the offseason and hope that snyder gives us a reason to be optimistic about 2010. honestly, even if we played all of our young backups, we wouldnt know how good they are because the coaching staff is so inept.

end of rant.

[Redskins_Junkie]

The defense was grossly overrated from the beginning of the season.

I'm just glad to see Blache wasting the bye week defending our POS owner instead of preparing the team and helping them to work on basic techniques and fundamentals that they should already know. Only in Washington, where a team is 2-5 and spiraling out of control, would you see this type of "prioritizing". Not surprised by the results on the field.

[Kelvin Bryant]

The Skins back 7 has Guys Who Can Tackle (led by London, Orakpo, Rocky, Doughty and Carlos) and Guys Who Can't Tackle (featuring Hall and Landry, with random appearances by a couple other guys each week). Carlos is also a featured member of another group, "Guys Who Can't Catch a Football Using a Very Large Net," but that's another post.

Bizarrely, the coaching staff doesn't seem to notice any difference between the two groups.

When I become king, Hall and Landry will be out of town so fast you'll see blurry cartoon lines trailing after them.

[mi6]

Blache's scheme sucks. Period. The players are out of position constantly. The 10 yard WR/CB cushion is appalling. We never blitz when we need to and when we do, they are poorly designed.

Their needs to be a complete culling of the coaching staff including our beloved Dannyboy apologist DC.

Agreed. Boy! Do I wish Dan would have treated Gregg Williams with the respect he deserved. I think we would be better on defense, and as a team in general.:doh:

[Capt Rich Fla]

Get used to it. It's not going to get any easier.

[dexter's manley]

This defense sucks. It's just that our offense sucks worse.

Seriously, a good defense doesn't let Detroit go 99 yards for a TD. A good defense doesn't get down 27-7 to Philly. A good defense stops the lowly Chiefs when it matters. A good defense doesn't give up a 60 yard run today just when the team looks like it has somehow climbed back into the ballgame.

This is not a good defense. In fact, it's a very, very bad defense. And it's still the strongest part of the Redskins team - that's how badly we suck.

[Boss_Hogg]

They did not quit. They built their reputation on some bad offensive teams. They are an average defense.

this.

[Veretax]

That last TD was Landry's Fault! The guy needs to go back to fundamentals, Tackle first then worry about how hard.

[SkinnedAussie]

Maybe the defense called a meeting with the offense and advised them that they have one half of football to prove they are fair dinkum, otherwise, they (the defense) will start to play at the same level as the offense.

Maybe the offense didn't take the hint!

[darklight1216]

Maybe you guys are right - perhaps the defense didn't quit. You are essentially saying they sucked from the get-go, but it wasn't as noticeable due to playing sub-par teams. That's a reasonable position I suppose.

But it really looked to me like they had a total lack of effort on a number of those running plays. Are you really saying they've had a total lack of effort on the defense all year?
I don't think it's lack of effort; it seems to be over estimation of their abilities.

[ADF]

The D is doing the best that they can. Its the offenses fault for sucking so bad that the Defense plays 40 minutes of the 60. Of course the other teams are going to score when the defense gets tired. You cant blame the defense for how the season has turned out so far

I'm sick of this excuse. They gave up points on the first drive of the game. This has happened at least the last two weeks. They were barely on the field in the 3rd quarter but managed to allow Turner to gash them when he needed to.

Like some others mentioned, the most glaring issues is that our secondary can't tackle. Landry takes horrible angles and Hall whiffs a lot.

[Duckus]

We are bland and boring. Our scheme is just blah. Our blitzes are blah. Our 10 yard cushion is blah. We are a boring, above average defense.

[seanyt]

Blache's scheme sucks. Period. The players are out of position constantly. The 10 yard WR/CB cushion is appalling. We never blitz when we need to and when we do, they are poorly designed.

Their needs to be a complete culling of the coaching staff including our beloved Dannyboy apologist DC.

Yep that Cushion got exposed (Once again). Hell Matt Ryan went Back to Back passes on that cushion. When the hell will Blache learn??? Atlanta coulda picked that thing apart for 40 minutes up and down the field, then again RB Turner mighta got pissed cause he wouldn't have got his touches...

[veteranskinsfan]

If I was Riggo tomorrow I would come out and say that Blache needs to concentrate on getting his defense ready to play well and spend less time criticizing me (riggo!!).

[Monrovia_Redskin]

I don't think anybody fears the Redskins defense, but then again when has anybody had to play comeback against it? that never happens. this defense is always playing with its back against the wall and id like to see it just once protect a lead see if they really go after the QB. Blache needs to go. Not hiring Gregg Williams on as HC still makes me mad.

[Capt Rich Fla]

You could give the talent on this defense to another team and have the # 1 defense in football. Why can't we have it. >Blache<

[RDSKNfaithfull]

You could give the talent on this defense to another team and have the # 1 defense in football. Why can't we have it. >Blache<

And Gray :doh: How long has he been here? Our secondary was giving these 10yard cushions when GW was here as well. This dude is mentioned as the next interm coach:doh: He coaches the worst unit on our defense and he has talent to work with.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

We are finally starting to play decent offenses. And, at some point, the defense is going to crack if the offense continually does nothing.

Broncos
Cowboys
Eagles
Saints

If we hold those teams to an average of 24, I think you can call us a good defense. I have a feeling that by the time the Saints game gets here, the defense is going to be exhausted.

[SKOALSKIN]

The secondary quit for the season. Rogers is waiting for Free agency. Hall is still talking **** about the falcons and forgot about the actual game. Smoot is selling energy bars and getting old. Landry is buying pet monkeys getting lip piercings and hanging out at the blue oyster. And our other two safetys were UDFAs.
Offseason mission. Offensive line and secondary.

[thewagen]

I am beginning to believe that London is starting to pack it in. His tackling totals have plummeted in three weeks, and he's no longer the beast that he was to begin the year.

His chance for Pro-Bowl is gone. The lack of any credibility by this team will prevent him from making the Pro Bowl. Everylone looks at the Redskins as a Joke anymore.. I honestly was hoping for the Falcons to hang 62 on them! Maybe then Snyder would be so embarrassed that he'd go into hiding FOREVER!!!!

[MaineSkin]

Are you kidding me. They played fine. Offense score one more TD and Falcons would not ba able to run all day. That is their strenght. D intercepted the ball early but O did not capatilize. Com' On Man to everyone who bashes the D. They would bring many teams to the super bowl. #4 in the league in YPG and #2 in PYPG. RYPG inflated because teams run all day to waste time because our offense cannot score.

[MaineSkin]

Fletcher leads the league in tackling going in against Falcons. Teams run away from him or send tackle after him. This basjing of the D is insane. The Skins score pts we win, period.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Are you kidding me. They played fine. Offense score one more TD and Falcons would not ba able to run all day. That is their strenght. D intercepted the ball early but O did not capatilize. Com' On Man to everyone who bashes the D. They would bring many teams to the super bowl. #4 in the league in YPG and #2 in PYPG. RYPG inflated because teams run all day to waste time because our offense cannot score.

Dude they STINK. A defense that can not tackle isn't playing fine. A defense who is supposed to be a strength of your team and can't come through and give up momentum is not fine.
Lay on the stats all you want. It didn't show up when Turner embarresed our Defense the first time and it was called back on a holding call. That doesn't take away the fact it looked like he was playing madden on easy.

[MaineSkin]

We have the best secondary in football. I was excited about this site but cannot listen to retarded remarks. Skins are #2 in pass yards per game! Why would we change anything? Please explain how the D is to blame for any of the losses? Skins avg. 21 pts per game we are 6-2. Offese has gave up 7pts in first half and 14 against G-men in the first game not to mentionall the field position they have give up. Look at the stats, they do not lie!

[Monrovia_Redskin]

I still think the real problem is Blache. If Blache didn't call such a soft defense and would just let all systems go after the QB more often the Redskins would get more turnovers. Of course don't expect C.Rogers to get an INT...or Landry...

[MaineSkin]

What are you talking about? They were on the field all game. Look at the stats. They are a top five defense. The offense has no ball control. I do not understand how anyone can nash the D. Every analyst and every stat say their D is very good and would be better if the offense could score points and capatilize on their turnovers. Bash the offense all you want but give credit where credit is due. Yes, Hall and Landry misseed some tackles but why are they put in a position to tackle a RB like Turner ten to fifteen yards downfield? What CB can tackle Turner in the open field with him running full speed and CB just getting off his block. Look at the stats and what is going on before they are put in a losing battle downfield against top 5 RB.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

We have the best secondary in football. I was excited about this site but cannot listen to retarded remarks. Skins are #2 in pass yards per game! Why would we change anything? Please explain how the D is to blame for any of the losses? Skins avg. 21 pts per game we are 6-2. Offese has gave up 7pts in first half and 14 against G-men in the first game not to mentionall the field position they have give up. Look at the stats, they do not lie!

The best secondary in football:hysterical: Do you honestly believe that? Nobody will argue with you and say our offense is worth a penny. If you think we have a elite type defense you are :silly:

[MaineSkin]

Yes, I believe Blatche makes players play his system and not to players strenght but they still give the offense plenty of chances to tie and win games. Imagine being the D, how long are they supposed to last against NFL offenses. Imagine the D hearing fans saying its thier fault when they are at the top of the league and their record is 2-6. Look at other losing record teams, their D's are terrible. Thats why the SKins will rebound quick if not next year.

[Stugein]

After yesterday:
#5 overall defense (YPG)
#1 overall pass defense (YPG)
#25 overall run defense (YPG)
^^^

That ain't good. Guys are seemingly having a real tough time getting off of blocks. Shedding a blocker to tackle the ball carrier. Often by the time a lineman has gotten off of a block, he barely has a chance to swipe at a runner's leg as he goes by. Rushers seem to frequently make it to the LB level. Insights?

[RDSKNfaithfull]

What are you talking about? They were on the field all game. Look at the stats. They are a top five defense. The offense has no ball control. I do not understand how anyone can nash the D. Every analyst and every stat say their D is very good and would be better if the offense could score points and capatilize on their turnovers. Bash the offense all you want but give credit where credit is due. Yes, Hall and Landry misseed some tackles but why are they put in a position to tackle a RB like Turner ten to fifteen yards downfield? What CB can tackle Turner in the open field with him running full speed and CB just getting off his block. Look at the stats and what is going on before they are put in a losing battle downfield against top 5 RB.

Dude it wasn't one occasion. Hall has not been able to tackle all year. Landry has played some of the worst football a saftey has played in Washington. He looks as bad as Archulleta. RBs have gotten to the second level every week. We have played the worst teams in the league to pad our stats that don't lie.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i think our defense has mailed it in and its only going to get worse. the defense knows that the offense is so terrible it doesnt matter what they do, theyre going to lose.

our secondary is struggling, our dline and LB look lost in run support, nobody is tackling well, guys just dont care. it sucks, but the wind has been sucked out of all of them.

this whole thing needs to be blown up and quick.

[MaineSkin]

Mort, Gruden, Jackson, Aikmen, and every fantasy predictor say the Skins D is a must play if the offense can hold the ball. If the offense will stop turning it over we have a chance. I am asking you to look at the stats. Skins allow under 20pts per game. Take out our offenses turnover we avg 15 pts per game. That is dominate. The offense had the ball in the fourth quarter against the G-men to tie. The same deal against eagles untill El fumbled. I understand how hard it is to watch people miss tackles but the misses are in the open field, ten to fifteen yards downfield, after coming off a block. Orackpo is out of position but if he can learn the LB position he will be All-Pro. There is no evidence of drafting any defenders unless it is DL b/c Daniels, Carter are getting old.

[RandyHolt]

Our DB's are so far downfield, and yet some wonder why Hall et al cant run up and tackle a 230 pound runner. Move all those guys up like teams do to us, and tackling a guy just getting the ball is a lot easier then when they are breaking into the secondary at full speed.

Our passive scheme sucks, the players know it and they play emotionless. The scheme makes us play afraid of even a QB in his first game.

This scheme only works if all players never make a mistake. Mistakes happen, this defense always gives up a big play. And early scores, gives up field position, doesnt blitz, doesnt press, doesnt generate turnovers.

[MaineSkin]

Giants were on a roll in the beginging. Carolina has best RB combo. Stl. has Jackson. I know we have not played good teams but the D is on the field for 45 minutes a game. NFL is to intense to play that long. They need a rest. El fimbl;ing after D shuts down eagles. Same in Carolina. take out those plays and wins are more than capable. I agree that at the ends of games D looks flat but I cannot put it on them. We have a good D which is why we will be 500 next year and win superbowl in five years. OL is killing offense.

[MaineSkin]

D made a big play early yesterday only to see Davis miss a catch that turned into six. BHall said he wanted to come to the Skins b/c D scheme lets players make plays. Losing effects the whole team. D has no confidence but deserves the credit. I am as fustated as you but cannot go after the D untill the offense scores 27 pts and we lose unless it is Campbell throwing picks for TDs. Oh yea, it was not his fault yestareday

[RandyHolt]

What are you talking about? They were on the field all game. Look at the stats. They are a top five defense. The offense has no ball control. I do not understand how anyone can nash the D. Every analyst and every stat say their D is very good and would be better if the offense could score points and capatilize on their turnovers. Bash the offense all you want but give credit where credit is due. Yes, Hall and Landry misseed some tackles but why are they put in a position to tackle a RB like Turner ten to fifteen yards downfield? What CB can tackle Turner in the open field with him running full speed and CB just getting off his block. Look at the stats and what is going on before they are put in a losing battle downfield against top 5 RB.

I guess you didnt hear yesterday's announcers speaking about how Blache needs to do what Atlanta's defense did, attack and press and score TD's. Two different guys bashed us for being so passive, but not so harshly.

How do you expect Hall and everyone else to tackle Turner when they start every play so far downfield? You will certainly agree its easier to tackle a back at the LOS then when at full speed 10 yds downfield.

Sure Landry takes horrible angles, he needs to be at strong safety.

The only stat that matters is wins. The defense stats you name obviously reflect we may have had the easiest schedule to start the year, in NFL history.

[monsta]

Our defense is NOT good. In this case the stats are lying to you. A good defense does not give up MONSTER plays. A good defense gets off the field on third downs. A good defense does not allow a 58 yard TD run after the Offense just got the team back to within 7 points.

The scheme of this defense is all wrong. Orakpo standing up playing linebacker, Wilson Covering Gonzalez. Every third and 5 or less play the DBS playing 8-12 yards outside leverage coverage. Guys getting behind the DBS even when they play that far off and the angles these guys take are terrible. I have never seen such poor angles in my life.

[KillaCam21]

Mort, Gruden, Jackson, Aikmen, and every fantasy predictor say the Skins D is a must play if the offense can hold the ball. If the offense will stop turning it over we have a chance. I am asking you to look at the stats. Skins allow under 20pts per game. Take out our offenses turnover we avg 15 pts per game. That is dominate. The offense had the ball in the fourth quarter against the G-men to tie. The same deal against eagles untill El fumbled. I understand how hard it is to watch people miss tackles but the misses are in the open field, ten to fifteen yards downfield, after coming off a block. Orackpo is out of position but if he can learn the LB position he will be All-Pro. There is no evidence of drafting any defenders unless it is DL b/c Daniels, Carter are getting old.

we've played the rams, bucs, panthers, cheifs, and the lions. those five teams are ranked 21, 25, 26, 28, and 30th on offense. Additionally, no team has to rack up YARDS on this team, they just have to hold the ball. forget about the yards, it's irrelevant. if you cant see that our defense's statistics are totally inflated by watching the games there's really nothing i can tell you except to watch for what happens over these next few weeks as we plummet down the defensive rankings. the only offense we've played all year that was even in the top 15 was the giants. give me a break. the whole team sucks, including the defense.

[Rufus T Firefly]

What are you talking about? They were on the field all game. Look at the stats. They are a top five defense. The offense has no ball control. I do not understand how anyone can nash the D. Every analyst and every stat say their D is very good and would be better if the offense could score points and capatilize on their turnovers. Bash the offense all you want but give credit where credit is due. Yes, Hall and Landry misseed some tackles but why are they put in a position to tackle a RB like Turner ten to fifteen yards downfield? What CB can tackle Turner in the open field with him running full speed and CB just getting off his block. Look at the stats and what is going on before they are put in a losing battle downfield against top 5 RB.

The stats say we won the Time of Possession battle by over 7 minutes yeaterday. We also won it by over 3 and a half minutes over Philly and were winning it against Carolina until the D let themselves get run over for the last 6 minutes of that game.

It's amazing to me that, following a game in which the defense gives up a 75 yard TD drive on the opening possession of the game and then gives up the back-breaking TD drive after they had been sitting on the bench for 15 of the first 17 minutes of the second half, people can actually come here and claim the reason they were bad was because "they were on the field too long".

[dirtyJerz]

remember last year at this point... we looked untouchable, all cylinders we're go, D was clicking, O was clicking, JC wasn't terrible. We all had high hopes of playoffs and how far we would go...

one year later, our D gets run over weekly (honestly, we couldn't stop Detroit?), our O can't put up anything worth while (can't break 17 points a game?) special teams are no help... and our fearless leaders JC & JZ are no where to be found, no one is stepping up and claiming responsibility for the state of this team and someone needs to because heads should roll for an NFL team playing this bad.