Time to see if our coaches actually watch tape

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

That was a fun football game last night.

I don't think you can take too much from one game to the next in the NFL, but I will say this.

I need to see the following this week to have the smallest belief that our team has coaches with the minimal qualifications.

1. We need to run - at the very least - four counters, one reverse, and three bootlegs next week. The Broncos defense overpursues like a mother****er. Mendenhall had to have 100 yards on counter plays last night. If we don't even try to take advantage of that, everyone needs to be fired after the game.

2. You can't pressure Orton from the outside. Orton is too quick getting rid of the ball and feels the rush too well. The Steelers figured that out and started bringing all their blitzers over the guard and centers. Orton is simply not athletic enough to deal with that. With Haynesworth, we should be able to get pressure up the middle all day. Let's see if Blache can really bring the heat on Neckbeard. Orton does not have a strong enough arm to throw off his back foot and get any kind of accuracy.

I am convinced that this is a winnable game. And it would send a statement that the team is going to at least try to be competitive for the next eight weeks.

There is really too much football to go to just pack up the tents now. This team isn't going anywhere, but it can still be competitive and entertaining.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

all of that is true and hopefully we see it, but our passing game is still going to be utter garbage. the steelers were heaving it all over the place last night and we cannot do that. so while it would be nice to see some pressure on orton and for betts to have a nice game, we wont be able to win through the air, and i doubt we'll score enough to have a chance.

plus mccdaniels is well aware that blitzing kills campbell, and the broncos have a rabid defense that will be sending the dogs all day. its going to be another ugly one, especially considering this a must win for them to keep ahead of the norvals.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Excellent post. I agree with you after watching bits and pieces of the game last night. It really is impressive to watch the Steelers play defense. It reminded me of the Skins game last season on MNF. The Steelers repeatedly loaded up the outside and sacked, pressured, and knocked down Campbell. They kept doing it because the Skins simply could NOT stop it. Last night, the Steelers exploited a weakness in the Broncos pass protection and being a copycat league the Skins should be able to exploit it as well.

If not, the coaching staff will be gone next year anyway :)

[Zhouse]

All valid points. Hopefully we see an attempt to take advantage of the Broncos weaknesses.

However, I think Orton will still dink and dunk for short gains and keep the chains moving + our secondary can't tackle. This worries me.
I also worry about our horrible Oline. Hopefully Sherm brings the same playcalling style and tempo we had with the Falcons in the second half.

[Thiebear]

Wow, constructive..
can't believe i got 3 minutes back in quality time.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

However, I think Orton will still dink and dunk for short gains and keep the chains moving + our secondary can't tackle. This worries me.
I also worry about our horrible Oline. Hopefully Sherm brings the same playcalling style and tempo we had with the Falcons in the second half.
Agreed, but tackling is all about attitude. You would think that is something easy to correct.

[Zhouse]

Agreed, but tackling is all about attitude. You would think that is something easy to correct.

Like others have said, bench Landry! He's been a starter from day one and I'm starting to believe he feels like he's entitled to be on the field. Bench his ass and make him realize physical ability will only get you so far.

This unit has no identity, they're simulating the bend but don't break attitude our coaches have. IT'S NOT WORKING! How can a unit that has loaded with talent be so inept? They need to come out and get physical and play with a chip on their shoulder. Tackle like you mean it dammit!

[Destino]

The problem with watching tape of the Steeler's and the Broncos is that you are assuming our line can run block as well as the Steeler's. An under appreciated segment of the running game worth considering as well is how well our wide outs run block. The steeler's wide outs block very well and allow their backs to get to break runs if they make it to the outside.

I wouldn't hold my breath on blitz's up the middle from the Redskins. That style of blitz has been very popular through-out the league this season but the skins rarely employ it correctly. Blache is a safe coordinator. He doesn't bring exotic blitz packages and he doesn't take too many risks.

I agree with you that this is a winnable game. I think we need to employ the hurry up offense early in the game. The Broncos don't have a good offense and Orton is not a great QB. A lead would do wonders for us in this game because if we can make them one dimensional we have a chance. Unfortunately 17 points won't be enough IMO. The offense is going to have to produce in order to win football games.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

All valid points. Hopefully we see an attempt to take advantage of the Broncos weaknesses.

However, I think Orton will still dink and dunk for short gains and keep the chains moving + our secondary can't tackle. This worries me.
I also worry about our horrible Oline. Hopefully Sherm brings the same playcalling style and tempo we had with the Falcons in the second half.

The Broncos are going to try to slant us to death, because they probably think that we can tackle Marshall and the other guy who I just blanked on.

[monkeezgob]

Do our coaches actually watch the game? Never mind tape. I almost fell over laughing on Sunday when Zorn said the thought that (the the big plays aside) we did a really good job of handling Turner during the game.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The problem with watching tape of the Steeler's and the Broncos is that you are assuming our line can run block as well as the Steeler's. An under appreciated segment of the running game worth considering as well is how well our wide outs run block. The steeler's wide outs block very well and allow their backs to get to break runs if they make it to the outside.

Well, yes. The talent disparity is a problem.

I'm not saying that running the same plays as the Steelers will lead to the same results. We aren't as good.

But, at the same time, seeing a game plan or what the kids call "a strategy" would be nice. I feel like we haven't out-game-planned a team since the first Eagles game last year.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

this will also be the first 3-4 defense we see. i hope our passing game is ready for the blitzes and zone schemes that come with a 3-4.

again, not looking foward to that lol.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

this will also be the first 3-4 defense we see. i hope our passing game is ready for the blitzes and zone schemes that come with a 3-4.



I find your lack of faith in Will Montgomery disturbing.

Did you ever imagine in August that our starting left tackle would be Levi ****ing Jones?

[DMVSkins]

I am convinced that this is a winnable game. And it would send a statement that the team is going to at least try to be competitive for the next eight weeks.

I remember when I had your enthusiasm but then came week 1-8

[Dan T.]

I loved the Steelers defensive lineup that was, what? not a 3-4, not a 4-3, but a 1-6. The nose tackle was the only guy in a down stance, then they had six guys milling around threatening to rush. It looked like a sandlot pickup football game defense. I almost expected to hear them counting "1 Mississsippi 2 Mississippi" before they rushed.

They would stack guys - all standing up - two by two by two, shift around, and different guys would rush each time. Great fun to watch.

We should do that with Big Al on the nose, and with Orakpo, Chris Wilson, Rocky, Lorenzo Alexander, Fletch, and Jarmon jumping around the line for the jail break. That would be fun to watch.

[Soup]

Will they see it though? They remind of the eagles defense not the blitzing but how they can be so easily caught of guard. Dawkins still gets fooled a lot by play action. I want to see boot leg passes to TEs and play action. They can be run on and caught off guard with a huge play down field if they time it right. Thank you steelers

I mean seriously what a bunch of great coaches they have with the steelers. The first half their game plan was horrible but that second half was great.

1) get some sort of running game going even if it just nets 2 or 3 yards to set up boots and play action

2) run some hurry up offense

3) knock them down with counters or WR screens and make them bite on a play action pass.

I'm actually feeling pretty good about this game, the skins match up well.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I find your lack of faith in Will Montgomery disturbing.

Did you ever imagine in August that our starting left tackle would be Levi ****ing Jones?


dont get me wrong, wil is impressive............most impressive.

and if you wade through my billions of posts, i wanted levi jones to be signed back then and was shocked that he wasnt (same with runyan). ridiculous that we waited this long to sign the guy. lets hope he can at least play ok for us.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I loved the Steelers defensive lineup that was, what? not a 3-4, not a 4-3, but a 1-6. The nose tackle was the only guy in a down stance, then they had six guys milling around threatening to rush. It looked like a sandlot pickup football game defense. I almost expected to hear them counting "1 Mississsippi 2 Mississippi" before they rushed.

They would stack guys - all standing up - two by two by two, shift around, and different guys would rush each time. Great fun to watch.

We should do that with Big Al on the nose, and with Orakpo, Chris Wilson, Rocky, Lorenzo Alexander, Fletch, and Jarmon jumping around the line for the jail break. That would be fun to watch.


lol, i saw that formation last night cause some kids run it in madden. its called a 1-5-5 (at least in madden it is) but you literally have everyone except one guy off the line, then everyone either blitzes or drops into a massive zone coverage.

the pats run this from time to time i think.

[Old Bay]

We should do that with Big Al on the nose, and with Orakpo, Chris Wilson, Rocky, Lorenzo Alexander, Fletch, and Jarmon jumping around the line for the jail break. That would be fun to watch.

:doh: My goodness...the speed we have in that group and it's underutilized. This has gotten to the point where it's time to bench guys who aren't hussling and letting folks who have the desire to play get in the game.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I loved the Steelers defensive lineup that was, what? not a 3-4, not a 4-3, but a 1-6. The nose tackle was the only guy in a down stance, then they had six guys milling around threatening to rush. It looked like a sandlot pickup football game defense. I almost expected to hear them counting "1 Mississsippi 2 Mississippi" before they rushed.

They would stack guys - all standing up - two by two by two, shift around, and different guys would rush each time. Great fun to watch.

We should do that with Big Al on the nose, and with Orakpo, Chris Wilson, Rocky, Lorenzo Alexander, Fletch, and Jarmon jumping around the line for the jail break. That would be fun to watch.

I don't know if our defense is athletic enough to do that. Dick LeBeau must scour college football looking for the freakiest athletes he can find and then figures out something to do with them.

He had a nose tackle covering a running back at one point last night. And it kinda worked.

And Polamalu is the only player in the league who can start the play on the line of scrimmage and end up 25 yards off the line of scrimmage in a zone.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

lol, i saw that formation last night cause some kids run it in madden. its called a 1-5-5 (at least in madden it is) but you literally have everyone except one guy off the line, then everyone either blitzes or drops into a massive zone coverage.

the pats run this from time to time i think.

Belichik and LeBeau seem to steal from each other. BB came up with this in the early part of the decade to combat Manning. All that BS Manning does before the play is to identify the strong side backer, the weakside backer, the strong safety, etc. Belichik just said, "**** you. We're not lining anybody anywhere until the ball is snapped."

What Lebeau did was extend that to the secondary. I saw an interview with Polamalu where he once asked a center what would freak him out. The center said, "If you were facking the wrong way." So, now, Polamalu sometimes lines up with his back to the line of scrimmage pre-snap. The fact that LeBeau lets him do that kind of insane **** is amazing.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Belichik and LeBeau seem to steal from each other. BB came up with this in the early part of the decade to combat Manning. All that BS Manning does before the play is to identify the strong side backer, the weakside backer, the strong safety, etc. Belichik just said, "**** you. We're not lining anybody anywhere until the ball is snapped."

What Lebeau did was extend that to the secondary. I saw an interview with Polamalu where he once asked a center what would freak him out. The center said, "If you were facking the wrong way." So, now, Polamalu sometimes lines up with his back to the line of scrimmage pre-snap. The fact that LeBeau lets him do that kind of insane **** is amazing.


its definitely confusing as hell but you have to run a 3-4 in order to do this, because the nose tackle is the only guy set. but having 10 guys just standing around is pretty hilarious looking.

[SkinsNumberOne]

He had a nose tackle covering a running back at one point last night. And it kinda worked.

Well considering they got a pick on that play, after the NT bumped the RB in the flat and upset the timing before the ball came to where he was going to be... yeah I'd say it worked.

[kingdaddy]

I like what the OP has to say. I also agree that Denver is a winnable game but doubt we'll win. It'll take the same formula the Steelers used; defense scoring a TD and a good running game. Denver also has to make the dreaded trip east on a short week. Everything is in our favor outside of our own internal problems.

[prufRock]

McDaniels is too smart not to know how to attack the Skins' offensive weaknesses. Jones and Heyer will be completely overmatched against Dumerville and either Robert Ayers or Kenny Peterson. Plus, with Brian Dawkins in the secondary, the team will have a strong understanding of Campbell's shortcomings.
Skins' defense might be able to keep the game close in the first half,but the Broncos typically play well in the second half (not these past two weeks, however). Orton gets rid of the ball quickly and Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are both very good at getting yards after the catch. I don't see the Skins being able to confuse Orton the way the Steelers and Ravens have the past two weeks.
The Broncos can run the ball too. Between Correll Buckhalter and Knowshown Moreno, they have a good combination of backs and their o-line is very good.
Broncos have special teams problems. Their punting situation is bad and they have been susceptible to some long returns. Unfortunately, the Skins don't scare anybody with their return game.
Skins' best hope is to keep playing Gibbs-ball like they did in the second half last week. Keep the ball on the ground and try to win the field position battle. I'm not saying that's a guarantee of success, because the defense tends to wear down later in games, but it's the only thing they've been marginally successful at so far.

[REDALERT]

That was a fun football game last night.

I don't think you can take too much from one game to the next in the NFL, but I will say this.

I need to see the following this week to have the smallest belief that our team has coaches with the minimal qualifications.

1. We need to run - at the very least - four counters, one reverse, and three bootlegs next week. The Broncos defense overpursues like a mother****er. Mendenhall had to have 100 yards on counter plays last night. If we don't even try to take advantage of that, everyone needs to be fired after the game.

2. You can't pressure Orton from the outside. Orton is too quick getting rid of the ball and feels the rush too well. The Steelers figured that out and started bringing all their blitzers over the guard and centers. Orton is simply not athletic enough to deal with that. With Haynesworth, we should be able to get pressure up the middle all day. Let's see if Blache can really bring the heat on Neckbeard. Orton does not have a strong enough arm to throw off his back foot and get any kind of accuracy.

I am convinced that this is a winnable game. And it would send a statement that the team is going to at least try to be competitive for the next eight weeks.

There is really too much football to go to just pack up the tents now. This team isn't going anywhere, but it can still be competitive and entertaining.

We don't have coaches that watch tape for stuff you presented. We have coaches that watch tape to try and oppose our will and belief in our systems to win. And that's both on defense and offense. On defense it's the bend and don't break guru and on offense it's the my West coast system works if executed properly guru.

[prufRock]

We don't have coaches that watch tape for stuff you presented. We have coaches that watch tape to try and oppose our will and belief in our systems to win. And that's both on defense and offense. On defense it's the bend and don't break guru and on offense it's the my West coast system works if executed properly guru.

Quite frankly, it's impossible to know who's even running the show at Redskin Park right now. I am wondering if Zorn even has the authority to order lunch for the team.

[pjfootballer]

Good job by everyone on this. I missed most of the game last night, but I do remember seeing those formations. I think if Blache lets our defense be as aggressive as the Steelers are, we can be almost as good as their defense is.

[SkinsNumberOne]

Good job by everyone on this. I missed most of the game last night, but I do remember seeing those formations. I think if Blache lets our defense be as aggressive as the Steelers are, we can be almost as good as their defense is.

I think this is completely and utterly untrue.

Troy Polamalu is as much a difference maker for a defense (when used well) as Sean Taylor was.

That defense is much stronger with Troy back there. And we don't have anything remotely close in our defensive secondary to him this year.

[redskins55]

The Broncos are going to try to slant us to death, because they probably think that we can tackle Marshall and the other guy who I just blanked on.

Your right about that. They are going to test our secondary wit hshort passes to exploit the 8yd cush we give receivers and Brandon Marsall will break every tackle that Hall, roger, or Landry attempt. The Steelers did a wonderful job of tackling Marshall before he could get going downfield. Our secondary can't tackle a worth squat. Our only chance in this game is bump n run and pressure up the middle with Haynesworth and Orakpo stunt that seemed to work to perfection against Atlanta.

[redskins55]

McDaniels is too smart not to know how to attack the Skins' offensive weaknesses. Jones and Heyer will be completely overmatched against Dumerville and either Robert Ayers or Kenny Peterson. Plus, with Brian Dawkins in the secondary, the team will have a strong understanding of Campbell's shortcomings.
Skins' defense might be able to keep the game close in the first half,but the Broncos typically play well in the second half (not these past two weeks, however). Orton gets rid of the ball quickly and Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are both very good at getting yards after the catch. I don't see the Skins being able to confuse Orton the way the Steelers and Ravens have the past two weeks.
The Broncos can run the ball too. Between Correll Buckhalter and Knowshown Moreno, they have a good combination of backs and their o-line is very good.
Broncos have special teams problems. Their punting situation is bad and they have been susceptible to some long returns. Unfortunately, the Skins don't scare anybody with their return game.
Skins' best hope is to keep playing Gibbs-ball like they did in the second half last week. Keep the ball on the ground and try to win the field position battle. I'm not saying that's a guarantee of success, because the defense tends to wear down later in games, but it's the only thing they've been marginally successful at so far.

Denver does not have a good o-line. They had 20yds rushing last night and Orton was flustered all night. The key is disguising the blitz! But Blache's blitzes are so predictable that we wont nearly get as much pressure on Orton as the Steelers did. If the offense is smart they will put Campbell in the shot gun and let him call his own plays and hurry the offense like Big Ben did last night. They got in a rhythm and started scoring at will once they let Ben take reigns of the offense.

[styx491]

Who here thinks our receivers will win the battle against their secondary?

Not me! That secondary is way too good for JC and our smaller receviers (unless one of our 2nd rounders breaks out). There were SOOO many times that Ben had absolutely NO one open, even on 4 person routes, because his receivers were completely blanketed for several seconds, not just the usual 3 seconds needed. JC will NO WAY IN HELL get the time that Big Ben got especially if that ridiculous Broncos secondary plays like they did against Hines Ward and co. He's gonna get rocked, I'm concerned for that.

[TheItalianStallion]

all of that is true and hopefully we see it, but our passing game is still going to be utter garbage. the steelers were heaving it all over the place last night and we cannot do that. so while it would be nice to see some pressure on orton and for betts to have a nice game, we wont be able to win through the air, and i doubt we'll score enough to have a chance.

plus mccdaniels is well aware that blitzing kills campbell, and the broncos have a rabid defense that will be sending the dogs all day. its going to be another ugly one, especially considering this a must win for them to keep ahead of the norvals.Not necesarily. We ran short passes, slants screens, etc against Atlanta with success, and the Oline held up in the 2nd half. If that continues, then I think we have a shot.

[RandyHolt]

There is not a snowballs chance in hell Blache adopts anything done by a successful defense by another team. No chance. Hell he runs the exact same scheme and approach all but maybe one game a year. Last year, it was at Dallas. This year, he has not done anything different. Amazingly, in light of our non productive offense, he refuses to "take chances" and force turnovers to help our scoring woes. Its not even taking chances, its called being mainstream.

He did not follow what Oakland did to Philly the week before we got abused. Philly's D dominated, 4 turns 6 sacks scored a TD, allowed no big plays. Won the game. Our defense did nothing. I think we maybe got one sack actually. Gave up two huge plays to the only guy we needed to stop. We lost. Its not always on the offense folks. Defenses can score despite what Blache's supporters say.

Our passive defensive scheme can work some weeks, but requires mistake free play on both sides of the ball. But Blache tries being super passive every week and it fails. Look at his record. Yd and points are meaningless, he is here to win games, is he not?

[pjfootballer]

I think this is completely and utterly untrue.

Troy Polamalu is as much a difference maker for a defense (when used well) as Sean Taylor was.

That defense is much stronger with Troy back there. And we don't have anything remotely close in our defensive secondary to him this year.

I did say "Almost". ;)

[steamroller#99]

However, I think Orton will still dink and dunk for short gains and keep the chains moving + our secondary can't tackle. This worries me.

Yeah, and if you don't tackle brandon Marshall immediately after the catch, he will destroy you. He may have his best game of the year against us.

[prufRock]

Denver does not have a good o-line. They had 20yds rushing last night and Orton was flustered all night. The key is disguising the blitz! But Blache's blitzes are so predictable that we wont nearly get as much pressure on Orton as the Steelers did. If the offense is smart they will put Campbell in the shot gun and let him call his own plays and hurry the offense like Big Ben did last night. They got in a rhythm and started scoring at will once they let Ben take reigns of the offense.

Let's put it this way, their line is on par with Atlanta's and I think it will be able to impose its will on the Redskin front seven late in the game if they have the lead.

[RandyHolt]

I think pretty much any college QB could dink and dunk us with ease until Blache tightens the coverage when they get near the red zone. Certainly being a new or noob or one armed (Warner) NFL QB hasnt slowed any of our opponents down.

[SkinsNumberOne]

I did say "Almost". ;)
Haha, touche.

Lebeau is amazing at scheming and defensive gameplans, in my opinion, but you add the flexibility Polomalu gives him... it's a ridiculous combination. On MNF that was on display yet again for all to see (interception in Den territory, key tackle for loss, etc).

Landry would never be that complete of a package, because he lacks the raw speed, but there are other aspects that he could improve on and be better with. I feel like he needs to be better coached to realize some of his potential - that I still feel he has.

[Koolblue13]

I hope Sherm decides to stick with the dink and dunk himself. Maybe we can score some points outside of the 3rd quarter.

[httrburgundyandgold]

Our defense should have a decent game while our offense is going to have one of its worst. They will stack the box and stop Betts while the Broncos secondary shuts down our routes and receivers. JC is not Big Ben, he can't scramble for 5 secs shedding tacklers then make a perfect throw into tight coverage off one foot, and I don't see Moss hurdling Champ or even getting separation. Only way we win is with some pick 6s. Can't believe people are actually comparing us to the Super Bowl Champs lol. Denver is still a really good team and were undefeated before facing the TWO BEST TEAMS in the AFC last season. They have beat Cinci, New England, Dallas, San Diego... who have we beat?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Our defense should have a decent game while our offense is going to have one of its worst. They will stack the box and stop Betts while the Broncos secondary shuts down our routes and receivers. JC is not Big Ben, he can't scramble for 5 secs shedding tacklers then make a perfect throw into tight coverage off one foot, and I don't see Moss hurdling Champ or even getting separation. Only way we win is with some pick 6s. Can't believe people are actually comparing us to the Super Bowl Champs lol. Denver is still a really good team and were undefeated before facing the TWO BEST TEAMS in the AFC last season. They have beat Cinci, New England, Dallas, San Diego... who have we beat?

Football is strange. Certain teams matchup well against certain other teams.

In a weird sense, I think we match up better with Denver than we do with, say, Detroit because we are susceptible to big plays on defense...but can shut down teams that aren't terribly explosive.

[gortiz]

No Answer For No-Huddle Puts Broncos In Bind

PAT GRAHAM - AP Sports Writer ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) ― No longer is the Denver Broncos defense so mystifying. The code has been cracked

By turning to a version of the no-huddle in the second alf, Baltimore and Pittsburgh each have gashed the Broncos or big plays and turned close games into runaways.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.denver.broncos.2.1309406.html


DO WE FREAKING SEE ONE NO HUDDLE PLAY??? ONE????

[SkinsNumberOne]

No Answer For No-Huddle Puts Broncos In Bind

PAT GRAHAM - AP Sports Writer ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) ― No longer is the Denver Broncos defense so mystifying. The code has been cracked

By turning to a version of the no-huddle in the second alf, Baltimore and Pittsburgh each have gashed the Broncos or big plays and turned close games into runaways.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.denver.broncos.2.1309406.html


DO WE FREAKING SEE ONE NO HUDDLE PLAY??? ONE????
We don't scheme for teams.

We dictate [suckage].

[gortiz]

We don't scheme for teams.

We dictate [suckage].

I swear, what us not run one freaking no huddle play, not one. brutal.

i bet they are going to do the old out think themselves and be like, "oh they think we are gonna run it, soooooooooo LETS NOT RUN IT, that will show them!"

[pastha40]

That was a fun football game last night.

I don't think you can take too much from one game to the next in the NFL, but I will say this.

I need to see the following this week to have the smallest belief that our team has coaches with the minimal qualifications.

1. We need to run - at the very least - four counters, one reverse, and three bootlegs next week. The Broncos defense overpursues like a mother****er. Mendenhall had to have 100 yards on counter plays last night. If we don't even try to take advantage of that, everyone needs to be fired after the game.

2. You can't pressure Orton from the outside. Orton is too quick getting rid of the ball and feels the rush too well. The Steelers figured that out and started bringing all their blitzers over the guard and centers. Orton is simply not athletic enough to deal with that. With Haynesworth, we should be able to get pressure up the middle all day. Let's see if Blache can really bring the heat on Neckbeard. Orton does not have a strong enough arm to throw off his back foot and get any kind of accuracy.

I am convinced that this is a winnable game. And it would send a statement that the team is going to at least try to be competitive for the next eight weeks.

There is really too much football to go to just pack up the tents now. This team isn't going anywhere, but it can still be competitive and entertaining.

Thats a good analysis. That being said I think we will get dominated on Sunday. The steelers and ravens are SUPERIOR football teams when compared to the skins; on both sides of the ball and on the sidelines.

While I think the defense will hold up for the most part; the offense will not move the ball. Denvers revamped front seven will punish our o line, dumervill might have 3-4 sacks alone. I also think we have zero favorable matchups when it comes to our wideouts vs their secondary.

Skins also stink vs afc teams. We all remember the KC debacle, they came in here with the 32nd ranked defense that week and we managed 2 fg's. Skins are 5-12 including that game vs the AFC since 2005.

I think a shutout is very possible Sunday. Although we will probably manage a fg, maybe two!

23-3 F

[pastha40]

Haha, touche.

Landry would never be that complete of a package, because he lacks the raw speed, but there are other aspects that he could improve on and be better with. I feel like he needs to be better coached to realize some of his potential - that I still feel he has.

Never is right, but its not speed, its football IQ. Landry is a headhunter, always has and always will be. Hes also probably playing a bit scared since Brandon Jacobs ran him over. He wont hesistant to try to crush matt ryan out of bounds but dives at the feet of Michael Turner.

[DallasSucks19922010]

Ofcourse they dont watch tape. They havent changed anything since week 8 of last year. The coaches are way too arrogant and they believe that they are the best. They dont create mismatches, they dont attack weaknesses, they just do what they do and that dont work.

[RandyHolt]

Ofcourse they dont watch tape. They havent changed anything since week 8 of last year. The coaches are way too arrogant and they believe that they are the best. They dont create mismatches, they dont attack weaknesses, they just do what they do and that dont work.

+1, its quite remarkable actually. On both sides of the ball. Nor do they adjust midgame. Against Philly we saw Donovan missed DeSean deep. Next drive, they go back to it for 7. We miss Moss deep when a corner jumps a slant, we never went back to it. Maybe next game against Philly? Thats a laugh. Oakland blitzed and attacked Philly the week before we played them, Blache sat back. And got abused. We didnt force turnovers and gave up two huge plays and huge our fragile offense out to dry.

Zorn and Blache know that they are going to do and nothing alters the plan. Especially Blache, he wont change even though our offense is struggling and needs him to generate turnovers, try and shut down teams early. Not shut them down when are down 17. Blache couldnt be doing any less than he is to help our floundering offense.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Through 8 games, we have given up these starts to teams during the first half alone.

Giants, down by 17
Lions, down by 13
Bucs, down by 10
Eagles, down by 20
Falcons, down by 21

Player errors have contributed to this, but it does make you think we are going into games under prepared. Our first half displays have been mostly dreadful so far this season.

[seanyt]

Excellent post. I agree with you after watching bits and pieces of the game last night. It really is impressive to watch the Steelers play defense. It reminded me of the Skins game last season on MNF. The Steelers repeatedly loaded up the outside and sacked, pressured, and knocked down Campbell. They kept doing it because the Skins simply could NOT stop it. Last night, the Steelers exploited a weakness in the Broncos pass protection and being a copycat league the Skins should be able to exploit it as well.

If not, the coaching staff will be gone next year anyway :)

Something tells me Blache is just going to try it his own way, because he believes that way works...

[pjfootballer]

I found the problem. Our coaches are still looking at tape, when all the other teams are watching DVD's. I knew that old projector from the George Allen days would eventually break down.

[Wyvern]

I thought this thread was worth bumping, seeing as the game is in on in a few hours.

How to beat the Broncos . . . will the Redskins learn from what Pittsburgh showed the NFL? Or will Blache stick with his current formula?

I definitely think we can pressure Orton up the middle -- and we've got a good enough D-line to play pressure defense. The question is whether we're going to play tight coverage, or rely on the old 10 yard cushion.

I don't want to be as negative as some of those posting in this thread, however, I think Campbell will be tested hard today. Moss isn't going to be open much today -- so it will become finding the second and third receivers today. Can Jason do it in time.

Here's hoping he can, we need this win badly.

[SkinsFTW]

Or will Orton get hurt after starting hot and then our Punter and Betts pull out a win for us?

Unbelievably, JC finally gets his 2nd 10 point win, and Hunter the Punter had more to do with it than he did.