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mjah
November-13th-2009, 08:56 AM
Yeah, they're Christmas lights. We don't do "holiday displays" in this house. And they're going up on the house soon.

So the previous owner of this house thought it would be a good idea to smear perhaps 1,500 sq. ft. of the house's front facade with stucco. Truth be told, it looks great and isn't a total maintenance nightmare (after some significant remediation efforts and special elastomeric paint).

But.

Hanging Christmas lights is a total PitA. Driving nails, screws, or any other kind of intrusive fastener into the stucco is an incredibly stupid idea. No type of temporary (totally removable!!!) adhesive that I know of sticks to stucco, which up close is best described as "wavy specialty cement" because that's exactly what it is. If Christmas light bulbs hit the stucco with even moderate force, they tend to shatter. And there's really no avoiding the bulb/stucco proximity without making the house look incomplete.

Now, I can stick lights to the gutters in about a dozen different ways. That's easy. But to outline the house in any attractive scheme, I have to span 25-foot vertical runs of nothing but stucco.

Last year I tried clipping one end of a light string to a gutter, letting it run free all the way down to the ground, and then securing the string at the ground level too. I put some pretty good tension in the line to hold it straight. That was okay, but my initial fears about it were fully realized when the damned thing swung around in the winter wind, smashed into the stucco, and broke about 7 little bulbs. And there's no way to get enough tension in the light string to get the sway out. The string can't handle it.

So I'm looking for recommendations on stabilizing these long open-space light runs. I've thought about clamping a cable in significant tension across the 25' height, and then wrapping the lights around the cable. That might be workable, as long as the cable tension doesn't start creating gutter sag (where else would I attach it up top?). I also thought about really long stretches of 1/2" doweling, with one end of the doweling standing on the ground and the other end clamped up top to hold it vertical. This eliminates any real downforce on the gutter. But where do they sell such long lengths of tiny-diameter material and how would you keep it from sagging with time and weather? I don't really want to stand a much larger diameter pipe in about 8 corners on the front of my house.

Ideas welcome!

IbleedBnG83
November-13th-2009, 08:59 AM
Hang some icicle lights from the gutters with plastic clips and call it a day

AsburySkinsFan
November-13th-2009, 09:01 AM
Turn them on at night.

twa
November-13th-2009, 09:04 AM
You can't find kite string or heavy nylon twine to hold tension?

Insert a eyebolt in the gutter facing(not the gutter itself) and a slanted stake in the bottom and you should be able to get it tight enough to play a tune on it:)

Kosher Ham
November-13th-2009, 09:05 AM
3M makes some good products that are removable.

I would try that or even rubber cement.

Capt Rich Fla
November-13th-2009, 09:34 AM
Wal Mart and Home Depot have good selections of hooks and fasteners.

Ned Flanders
November-13th-2009, 09:48 AM
Crazy Glue and Gorilla Glue work very well ;)

mjah
November-13th-2009, 10:01 AM
Turn them on at night.
Okay, THAT'S crazy talk.

twa, I thought about the twine. It would have to be some seriously high-test stuff, as the winter wind around here is just brutal at times.

I found some 150lb test Dacron kite line. Perhaps that would do the trick. I'd probably knot the line to the slightly slack light string at regular intervals (using knotwork that doesn't reduce the test strength too much), and then hang the resulting assembly with the kite line in heavy tension.

Park City Skins
November-13th-2009, 10:12 AM
Could be a pain in the *** or more than likely already thought of,but hanging the lights from the soffit/fascia. Material that they're made of in consideration of course.

f_trizzy
November-13th-2009, 10:24 AM
might I suggest....

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/f_trizzy/untitled-2.jpg

twa
November-13th-2009, 10:29 AM
They make some high test twine,just make sure it ain't stretchable.

Some of the braided fishing line would work as well.

FerndaleSkins
November-13th-2009, 12:58 PM
You could try using 3m cable tie bases and cable ties. They are adhesive backed and stick to anything, we use them all the time in my work. if you get the small ones and small cable ties you could just cut the cable ties and leave the bases on the house if you wish. You can get them at any electrical supply house and probably Home Depot or Lowes. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=V4NLZMGC1Bbe7 DGP4DVB14gl

mjah
November-13th-2009, 02:00 PM
In the event that I don't want them to be permanent, are the cable tie bases removable? Didn't see much about removing them online.

FerndaleSkins
November-13th-2009, 07:53 PM
Yes they are removable, but you would probably need some rubbing alcohol to remove all of the adhesive. If you want to remove the bases every year this may not be the easiest solution. The bases use a very strong adhesive tape, they will withstand weather and surfaces that are difficult to adhere to, but this also will require some work to clean off adhesive when removed. The smaller mounts are less than 1 inch square, but would be best used if you could leave the bases up permanently in an inconspicuous area.

Special K
November-13th-2009, 08:29 PM
Okay, the "Ditto" picture had me laughing my ass off. HILARIOUS!

Clark, I mean MJAH - I am sorry I don't know much about construction methods needed in complicated Christmas light hanging, I've always left that up to the dudes in my fam. Might I congratulate you on your strenuous effort in pursuing this holy endeavor. You have my respect! :D

Capt Rich Fla
November-14th-2009, 06:25 AM
In the event that I don't want them to be permanent, are the cable tie bases removable? Didn't see much about removing them online.

Like you've said, not much is gonna stick to stucko. I have that too and the 3M stickum things with hooks on them work for a while, but always seem to fall off in a weather change.

mjah
November-14th-2009, 07:22 PM
Like you've said, not much is gonna stick to stucko. I have that too and the 3M stickum things with hooks on them work for a while, but always seem to fall off in a weather change.
Well, poop.

Time to start experimenting with Dacron line and cables, then!

Mickalino
November-14th-2009, 07:24 PM
Soliciting Christmas Light Ideas

Ideas welcome!

Try this.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJW3Jpqjx5s

skinsfan_1215
November-14th-2009, 07:31 PM
Damn just saw this thread and came in to post the "ditto" picture. Too late though. I love that pic.

THEREALTOR1
November-15th-2009, 10:23 AM
http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/christmas-vacation/7.gif