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Griff
November-13th-2009, 01:40 PM
Byline: Thom Loverro, THE WASHINGTON TIMES

It's hard for Washington Redskins fans to figure out where their best interests lie these days.
Do they ROOT for their team to win Sunday against Denver, or do they ROOT for it to lose? Do they want their team to try to secure a modicum of respectability? Or do they want a total meltdown, embarrassment and shame so deep that it forces significant change in the way the team operates?

It's not exactly Sophie's Choice, but no fan should have to choosebetween whether it is better for a team to win or lose (save for those times when a team is in the final days of the race for the No. 1 draft pick).

This whole dilemma of rooting for change rather than rooting for results is complicated. Did Redskins fans realize Saturday that they should have been rooting against Navy at Notre Dame?

Navy's victory set in motion the real possibility that Irish coachCharlie Weis will be fired at the end of the season, leaving one of the most coveted jobs in sports open. And according to reports, the leading candidate for the Notre Dame job is one of the speculative saviors out there for Washington: former Tampa Bay coach and current Monday Night Football analyst Jon Gruden.

And so suddenly this pool of Super Bowl coaches - so plentiful weeks ago that you couldn't walk down the street without falling over one - may be shrinking. Gruden may be out of the mix now.

You think that's confusing for Redskins fans? How about the reality that they should be cheering for the Dallas Cowboys to have a greatseason - save for losses to the Redskins , of course - and go on to playoff success, though stopping short of a Super Bowl championship? (Some rationales are impossible to live with.)

Consider this: If the Cowboys go deep into the playoffs, it will be difficult for owner Jerry Jones to fire Wade Phillips. Jones may beDan Snyder's stiffest competition this winter for a star coach or Football operations boss.

There has been speculation that former Denver coach Mike Shanahan,a two-time Super Bowl winner, will become the target of a bidding war between Jones and Snyder. But Jones can't fire Phillips, who has been seen as a caretaker coach during his time in Dallas, if the Cowboys manage to have their best season since the Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer Super Bowl days. So success in Dallas likely eliminates a rival bidder for the next Redskins coach/Football operations chief.

Redskins fans, how 'bout them Cowboys?

Then there are the Cleveland Browns, who are determined to out-dysfunction the Redskins . Speculation is that coach Mike Holmgren, a Super Bowl winner with Green Bay and three-time participant with the Packers and Seahawks, is a candidate to take a Bill Parcells-like job there to run the entire Football operation. But it is difficult to imagine Holmgren working for Snyder after the embarrassment Holmgren's friend and former assistant, Jim Zorn, has been put through by management.

The position they put Jim in, it shouldn't happen, Holmgren told ESPN Radio in Chicago last week. "You can be upset with me as a play caller or how the team's going, [then] fire me. But don't do that. Don't pull the rug out from under me, tie my hands, make me look foolish.. take away

what I came there for to do in the first place Don't do that."

That would seem to take Holmgren out of the running to be the Redskins' Football guy unless Snyder somehow can lay all of this at the feet of executive vice president of Football operations Vinny Cerrato and say he was letting his Football guy make the decisions.

No one talks about Bill Cowher anymore. No one ever talks about Brian Billick, the least-respected Super Bowl coach of the bunch. And Tony Dungy seems to be on an entire different career path these days, although maybe his close friend and Washington's favorite son, broadcaster James Brown, can convince him he has a higher calling at Redskin Park.

There are a lot of scenarios for Redskins fans to think about. At least they serve as a distraction from what they are living with now.

At least it is the illusion of hope.

CAPTION(S):

Mike Shanahan could be wanted by both Washington and Dallas after this season.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10362962/Now-stuck-in-a-win-lose-situation

PorkSkins
November-13th-2009, 02:02 PM
I'm not thinking about any of these scenarios. I'm thinking about my Redskins winning a game on Sunday. Winning is what matters. Everything else takes care of itself. If a GM or coach is coming here next year, then he has already decided to come here. Only money will entice them more. I want to beat the Broncos, Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys twice, then think about next year. The media has had a lot of fun this year with the situation in DC, but next year, hopefully, you will find something else to write about. Countless speculation and nonfactual opinions can be found anywhere there is a keyboard.

Fat Stupid Loser
November-13th-2009, 02:03 PM
The 80's were great.

Duckus
November-13th-2009, 02:07 PM
All I want is a fun, exciting, and entertaining game.

Honestly, I don't care at all if we win. I just want us to look like an NFL team. No ****ing stupid mistakes. Explosive plays on offense. Turnovers on defense.

I just want to watching something that is FUN. Something I have not seen us produce in well over 1 year. Redskins games are ****ing boring right now. It is like watching paint dry.

At this point something fun is all I need.

pjfootballer
November-13th-2009, 03:55 PM
The 80's were great.

They were. And I feel like I might die before we win another SB.


All I want is a fun, exciting, and entertaining game.

Honestly, I don't care at all if we win. I just want us to look like an NFL team. No ****ing stupid mistakes. Explosive plays on offense. Turnovers on defense.

I just want to watching something that is FUN. Something I have not seen us produce in well over 1 year. Redskins games are ****ing boring right now. It is like watching paint dry.

At this point something fun is all I need.

I've been saying that for weeks. At least give me something to cheer for. It's been nothing, nada, nil, zip, zero, zilch. This is proabably the worst and hardest season I've ever endured as a Redskin fan. Even Norv's 3-13 season wasn't this bad.

Phixius
November-13th-2009, 05:00 PM
All I want is a fun, exciting, and entertaining game.

Honestly, I don't care at all if we win. I just want us to look like an NFL team. No ****ing stupid mistakes. Explosive plays on offense. Turnovers on defense.

I just want to watching something that is FUN. Something I have not seen us produce in well over 1 year. Redskins games are ****ing boring right now. It is like watching paint dry.

At this point something fun is all I need.Yeah, I don't care if they don't win another game this season, as long as they play like a football team and not the crap I've seen the past month.

prufRock
November-13th-2009, 05:07 PM
I want them to wind up with a record they can't spin their way out of.

The Rook
November-13th-2009, 05:22 PM
I want them to wind up with a record they can't spin their way out of.

Sort of like hoping all the kids in your child's class fail so the teacher and principal quit or get fired?








:helmet: The Rook

Spaceman Spiff
November-13th-2009, 05:58 PM
All I want is a fun, exciting, and entertaining game.

Honestly, I don't care at all if we win. I just want us to look like an NFL team. No ****ing stupid mistakes. Explosive plays on offense. Turnovers on defense.

I just want to watching something that is FUN. Something I have not seen us produce in well over 1 year. Redskins games are ****ing boring right now. It is like watching paint dry.

At this point something fun is all I need.

I agree with this.

Talkin with a buddy of mine a few weeks ago, we both pretty much said we don't care if we win or lose. It's always great to see the Skins win but another loss brings more pressure on Danny to get things changed.

Skinlanta
November-13th-2009, 06:14 PM
I'm not thinking about any of these scenarios. I'm thinking about my Redskins winning a game on Sunday. Winning is what matters. Everything else takes care of itself. If a GM or coach is coming here next year, then he has already decided to come here. Only money will entice them more. I want to beat the Broncos, Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys twice, then think about next year. The media has had a lot of fun this year with the situation in DC, but next year, hopefully, you will find something else to write about. Countless speculation and nonfactual opinions can be found anywhere there is a keyboard.
I am with you on the first 2 sentences.......WIN....PERIOD.....I dont give a flip if we're 2-6 or not....Next coach, Next GM, John Gruden, **** that speculation. Live in the present for God's sake people. I went to Notre Dame so I'm getting it on 2 sides now. We have a game on Sunday...all you Nostradamus's please knock it off.