Thank you thread for Suisham

[Papabear]

I just wanted to express my deepest thanks to one of the best and most underrated kickers of all time. May the rest of your journeys through the NFL lead you to the Hall of Fame. :)


This one is for Shaun...:cheers:

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[SIXX99]

Are you kidding me?

[HateNMyEyez]

I just wanted to express my deepest thanks to one of the best and most underrated kickers of all time. May the rest of your journeys through the NFL lead you to the Hall of Fame. :)


This one is for Shaun...:cheers:

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suisham is a joke and always has been

[JaimeDeCurry]

Shankopatomus.

[SonOfWashington]

Anti-clutch. Just when you think the p.o.s. has turned it around.

[aREDSKIN]

He's an effing choker. DID ANYONE SEE HIM OVER ON THE SIDELINE after the 50yd. miss JUST sipping water like nothing bothered him? We need players who REALLY want to win not just paycheck collectors.

[isaacis881]

Did you say thank you or !@$% you?

[benskins26]

ditto. **** you very much Suisham

[abdcskins]

I hate him.

How could he miss that 37 yarder before the half? God, then the 50 yarder. He lost us the game today.

[ExoDus84]

He's been solid all year, and picked the worst possible damn game to start shanking kicks. This game should never have come down to a single field goal. Our defense DOMINATED the game. Our offense is such utter and complete trash. If we had even a semblance of an offense, we'd have blown them out.

Suisham better bounce back, otherwise he'll be finding a new team next season.

[Skins4Life47]

**** you Suisham! :hammer:

[SirClintonPortis]

There was no wind at all in the stadium.

[Capt. Kaos]

**** y o u !!!!!!!!

[DexterSackMachine]

This game is on SuiSHAM....100%

[theivorhick]

This thread is ridiculous. Dude hadn't missed all season. He missed a 50 yarder, it happens. The 39 yarder sucks, but you can't even BEGIN to put this loss on him. The stagnant offense is what killed us today. AGAIN.

[InsaneBoost]

The whole team needs to be cut besides about 5.

[fannypackz]

Our usually clutch Folk missed one as well.

Big win for us, man. Didn't look like we'd win it.

[Destino]

He did the one thing redskins can not do... he blew it against the cowboys.

unforgivable.

[Mark The Homer]

He missed two out of four. Generally, you cut kickers who miss 2 of 4. Especially in warm, dry, windless conditions.

[HailGreen28]

Plenty of blame to go around. How bout we get a QB that can lead us to a touchdown once a game?

[NewCliche21]

Anti-clutch. Just when you think the p.o.s. has turned it around.

/thread

[JaimeDeCurry]

Third and fourth string running backs.

Undrafted players at right guard and right tackle, one a rookie.

Castoff at left tackle.

Three dropped interceptions.

And yet, we're still in position to win the game. Thank you for coming through in the clutch, sir.

[RichmondRedskin88]

Yes I'm royally pissed at him but at the same time if he hadn't been with us today we might not have even been in a position to win on a FG. Our offense shouldn't make suisham do everything.

[NewCliche21]

Our usually clutch Folk missed one as well.

Big win for us, man. Didn't look like we'd win it.

Don't confuse you winning with us losing.

World of difference there.

[terpfan]

This thread is ridiculous. Dude hadn't missed all season. He missed a 50 yarder, it happens. The 39 yarder sucks, but you can't even BEGIN to put this loss on him. The stagnant offense is what killed us today. AGAIN.

Yes I absolutely ****ing can.

[StillUnknown]

he cant make them when it matters

[wdcredskins]

when ur offense is so bad at scoring TDs and while suisham did missed two, one questionable since it was from 50, there is no way in hell u blame it on suisham. suisham is the last of our worries . we have more issues on offense than our fg kicker

[Galvatron]

I blame it on the weather. It was almost hurricane katrina in Dallas. Thank you Shaun for at least making 2 of your kicks.

[redskins55]

I dont blame this game on him. Our coach is gutless and did not play to win the game. Right before the first half you have 15 seconds left and you kick the field goal after your kicker has been iced for 15 minutes? Then its 3rd &2 and you run a second consecutive draw play to set up a 50yd field goal??? Just Dumb. Fire Zorn TOMORROW!

[That Redskins Fan]

this game is not suisham yes he missed the field goals but

he should have never been put inot the postion

can somebody explain why a draw play is call on 3rd and 2 and i see dalass is going to blitz out of this world

that is on zorn lewis and cerrato.. termination papers need to be drawn up to tonight

[NewCliche21]

Plenty of blame to go around. How bout we get a QB that can lead us to a touchdown once a game?

1) You have every other thread for this.

2) It was a tipped pass, not a stupid throw. This one's not on Campbell.

Reminder: I don't want Campbell here next year.

[No Excuses]

BLEW THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!!! **** you!!!!!!!

[thehogs]

well the one at the half didnt surprise me. The delay due to incompetent refereeing where they clearly didnt know the rules and someone had to actually phone them in the middle of the game....! didnt surpise me at all that the kick after such a ludicrous delay was missed. I know, should do his job etc but shambolic extended delays like that just lead to bad things.

[W1N_SKINS]

:doh::doh::doh::doh:

[blue collar]

Yes I'm royally pissed at him but at the same time if he hadn't been with us today we might not have even been in a position to win on a FG. Our offense shouldn't make suisham do everything.

He misses when it counts the most.

[TheCool47]

Yes I'm royally pissed at him but at the same time if he hadn't been with us today we might not have even been in a position to win on a FG. Our offense shouldn't make suisham do everything.

Agreed. I don't blame him for missing the 50 yard field goal, but he still should have made that 31 yard one earlier.

[Operations]

1) 2) It was a tipped pass, not a stupid throw. This one's not on Campbell.

They never are, are they?

[fannypackz]

Don't confuse you winning with us losing.

World of difference there.


Many teams can say that they're the ones who lost the game. For example, had Suisham made atleast one of those you still win the game by 2. Then we could have said how Barbers fumble lost us the game, RW can't catch or Folk shanking it.

That's just how it works.

[HateNMyEyez]

suisham has always been crap. he hasnt made many kicks over any kind of distance this yr so his stats are overated

[LoudMouth12thMan]

When no one is paying attention, he's 100%. When everyone's watching....folds like a lawn chair. Sad....

[NewCliche21]

They never are, are they?

I could name close to half of a dozen dumbass throws by Campbell to seal losses.

That's not one of them.

[JFud]

He choked. Plain and simple.

[steve09ru]

I dont blame this game on him. Our coach is gutless and did not play to win the game. Right before the first half you have 15 seconds left and you kick the field goal after your kicker has been iced for 15 minutes? Then its 3rd &2 and you run a second consecutive draw play to set up a 50yd field goal??? Just Dumb. Fire Zorn TOMORROW!
:applause:

/thread

[NewCliche21]

Many teams can say that they're the ones who lost the game. For example, had Suisham made atleast one of those you still win the game by 2. Then we could have said how Barbers fumble lost us the game, RW can't catch or Folk shanking it.

That's just how it works.

Your team played horribly for the entire game save for one drive that our defense blew ass on.

We lost that game; you did not win it. To say otherwise confirms stereotypes about Cowboys fans not knowing what the hell they're talking about.

[StillUnknown]

i haven't trusted him since he missed that chip shot against Seattle

[TMK9973]

The one before the half is on Zorn. After such a delay, and S on the field for the entire time, Zorn should have put his offense back on the field and lest Susiham practice on the sidelines.

Hell- At the VERY least, during the delay Zorn should have had Suisham on the sideline kicking.

[SirClintonPortis]

Good kickers bail their team out when it counts. There's a reason Vinateri has a few rings.

[Dallascrushers]

This post is in two places...****ing whoa...what else is knew it seems like they have personal preference in people placing posts unbelievable.

[GoSkins803]

Leave it up to an ex cowgirl to lose the game for us

I'm usually inclined to spread the blame evenly, but I'd say this loss was solely on Suisham's shoulders. The line played as expected- shaky. Campbell played better than expected. Hell, CARTWRIGHT did a good job. Defense did all they could, and for the most part did not give up the "big plays" that had been troubling them the past couple of weeks.

[HailGreen28]

1) You have every other thread for this.

2) It was a tipped pass, not a stupid throw. This one's not on Campbell.

Reminder: I don't want Campbell here next year.1. Swish shouldn't be made into a scapegoat here. He's the only guy on offense that scored today.

2. Candle was his usual slow-reading slow-releasing self. We had multiple chances to finish drives and score. Trying to make excuses for his last screw up is no answer for the rest of the game.

[Operations]

I could name close to half of a dozen dumbass throws by Campbell to seal losses.

That's not one of them.

BS. He threw a pass where he shouldn't have, and we lost. The guy ALWAYS chokes in the clutch. ALWAYS. But anyway, we're beating a dead horse now.

We suck, and Jason Cancer will be gone next year.

Have a nice evening.

[Operations]

As for Suisham, blame the coaches for having that loser on the roster this year. After last year, he should NEVER have been brought back.

[benskins26]

suisham has always been crap. he hasnt made many kicks over any kind of distance this yr so his stats are overated

I don't think thats it, I think its just that like a lot of people have said, Suisham can't hit water if he fell out of a boat when it actually matters

[Frediemac]

He did the one thing redskins can not do... he blew it against the cowboys.

unforgivable.


That Pretty Much Sums it up

[SirClintonPortis]

1. Swish shouldn't be made into a scapegoat here. He's the only guy on offense that scored today.
Meanwhile, Succop and Tynes won the game for their respective teams.

[skinsfan_1215]

To be fair, Jerry Jones cranked up the AC in the stadium to create a hell of a crosswind on both kicks.:doh:

[NewCliche21]

1. Swish shouldn't be made into a scapegoat here. He's the only guy on offense that scored today.

2. Candle was his usual slow-reading slow-releasing self. We had multiple chances to finish drives and score. Trying to make excuses for his last screw up is no answer for the rest of the game.

1) Uh, he missed twice. In a game that close, you have to make it. A missed field goal is minus three points and a lost 40 yards in field position. Had he made either of those, we'd win. Ask the Patriots how important a kicker is.

2) He played pretty well the rest of the game, and that tip was a tip. I don't see how that's arguable.

[RandyHolt]

we are all sorry Zorn iced you for 6 minutes. And sorry we lost yards playing afraid to lose yards before you tried your fiddy. Zorn cant even handle a kicker. why was SS standing on the field for 6 minutes? why didnt zorn try a quick down and out, just throw it away, milk the clock, take a shot at the endzone?

[MustangSteve]

The man missed 2 field goals that should have been made, but JIM ZORN should have never had him kick on 3rd down with 15 seconds on the clock! We needed another 7 yards and maybe even take a shot into the endzone.

Zorn, Campbell and Suisham cost us this game, but Suisham definitely choked dayum it.

[RenegadeTK]

where is Nick Novak when you need him?

[JaimeDeCurry]

2. Candle was his usual slow-reading slow-releasing self. We had multiple chances to finish drives and score. Trying to make excuses for his last screw up is no answer for the rest of the game.

You, uh, didn't really watch the game today, did you?

Let me remind you of some key offensive personnel today - Rock Cartwright, Quinton Ganther, Levi Jones, Ed Williams.

We were in a position to win that game. Two misses from Shankopotamus killed it. Good kickers make the ones that matter.

[redskin faithful]

I wonder if we can get David Beckham on loan.

[fannypackz]

Your team played horribly for the entire game save for one drive that our defense blew ass on.

We lost that game; you did not win it. To say otherwise confirms stereotypes about Cowboys fans not knowing what the hell they're talking about.

Isn't it confirmed even if I was to drool over the burgundy and gold? I'm a cowboys fan, I'll always be an idiot.

You outplayed us, point blank, but you didn't WIN.

It has happened to us plenty and I'm used to it.

[NewCliche21]

Isn't it confirmed every if I was to drool over the burgundy and gold? I'm a cowboys fan, I'll always be an idiot.

You outplayed us, point blank, but you didn't WIN.

It has happened to us plenty and I'm used to it.

Well, your first sentence isn't exactly making you look brilliant. I don't even know what you're trying to say.

As for the rest, I'm glad that you get that, but you're right: We didn't win, we lost. That was on us.

Saw your edit. Ignore my first sentence.

[scruffylookin]

I don't think thats it, I think its just that like a lot of people have said, Suisham can't hit water if he fell out of a boat when it actually matters

You do realize he's perfect on game winners right?

When Suisham has lined up with the game tied or the Skins down by 3 and it's late in the game, he's perfect.

Kind of blows the whole "he can't make'em when it counts" BS out of the water doesn't it?

I guess if we're going to go with agendas allow me to spew mine:

Thank you Ladell Betts for once again reminding all your foolish proponents as to why you have never and will never be a prime runner in the NFL. Good backs don't constantly get hurt.

Thank you Vinny Cerrato and Joe Gibbs for stocking this team with about as bad a group of offensive linemen as I can remember the Skins ever having.

Thank you Greg Blaaaaah for allowing the Cowboys to march down the field with utter ease and win the game.

Thank you offensive coaches, whichever one of you decided to take the ball out of Jason's hands on 3rd and two and us up by 6 and on the 30 yard line. Jason had been perfect all day on third down, brilliant move to call that draw.

I'll see if I can come up with a few more thank yous

[JaimeDeCurry]

I'm a cowboys fan, I'll always be an idiot.

Nothing else needs to be said.

Don't you have a disgusting blue star to go manually stimulate yourself to?

[WorshiptheMonk81]

I feel the exact same way. I HATE THIS BUM!!! absolutely shocked he was signed back for the 2009 season. we shouldnt even be saying his name. what a P. O. S. he is. Everytime we need it the most too. BIG THANKS u douche

[HailGreen28]

You, uh, didn't really watch the game today, did you?

Let me remind you of some key offensive personnel today - Rock Cartwright, Quinton Ganther, Levi Jones, Ed Williams.

We were in a position to win that game. Two misses from Shankopotamus killed it. Good kickers make the ones that matter.I saw Candle his usual choking self. Including making a dumb throw on his last play.

No TDs and you want to blame the kicker. Equally smart as candle. :doh:

[Papabear]

Should I make a Nick Novak thread? I wasn't sure if he deserved one or not. Considering he missed that kick against Dallas that set them up for the game winning field goal. I just can't forgive him for that. How did that game turn out anyway? 2006 was it?

[Wildbunny]

I wonder if we can get David Beckham on loan.

LOL, he wouldn't have made that 39 yarder as well :)
Not even talking about the 50 one :)

[NewCliche21]

Should I make a Nick Novak thread? I wasn't sure if he deserved one or not. Considering he missed that kick against Dallas that set them up for the game winning field goal. I just can't forgive him for that. How did that game turn out anyway? 2006 was it?

The one where he hit the game-winning field goal?

What the hell are you talking about?

[Papabear]

The one where he hit the game-winning field goal?

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh so I guess he deserves one then.

[NewCliche21]

I saw Candle his usual choking self. Including making a dumb throw on his last play.

No TDs and you want to blame the kicker. Equally smart as candle. :doh:

Every time you or anyone else says "Candle" in reference to Campbell, you lose all credibility. What are we, five?

[Dallascrushers]

cutting out comments isn't very niceeeeee

[Squidley]

I would really love to Thank this sorry ass kicker now. a few times up side the head should do it

[steve09ru]

question for everyone - can you name one game suisham has LOST outside of this (which i still don't believe he should be blamed)

I don't want to hear the seattle game either - we had no shot at that - our offense never did get going (especially since collins was on his back every play)

[HailGreen28]

Every time you or anyone else says "Candle" in reference to Campbell, you lose all credibility. What are we, five?I've said it before. I'll say it again. The name fits.

We need a big play from Candle, he can run OB or try a dumb throw through a couple defenders.

*POOF* Lights out. We lose. Game over. Candle extinguished again.

[21Knock_U_Out]

Guy HAD to BLOW IT during the Cowboys game, so predictable.

[NewCliche21]

question for everyone - can you name one game suisham has LOST outside of this (which i still don't believe he should be blamed)

I don't want to hear the seattle game either - we had no shot at that - our offense never did get going (especially since collins was on his back every play)

So aside from the major game that he blew all momentum for, you want us to name another game?

He lost to DALLAS.

Dude, give it up. We're pissed off because of this game. Get over it.

[JaimeDeCurry]

I saw Candle his usual choking self. Including making a dumb throw on his last play.

No TDs and you want to blame the kicker. Equally smart as candle. :doh:

Campbell missed two field goals, right? Remind me how Campbell did on third down on this game, if you will.

This was one of the few games this season Campbell actually played well. Get off your quarterback-hating tirade for a second to realize that despite incredible odds stacked against the Redskins, they were still in position to have their kicker win the game. Twice. Good kickers don't blow those chances.

[NewCliche21]

I've said it before. I'll say it again. The name fits.

We need a big play from Candle, he can run OB or try a dumb throw through a couple defenders.

*POOF* Lights out. We lose. Game over. Candle extinguished again.

You still sound like you're five. Name-calling is name-calling and can't co-exist with a serious debate or argument.

Campbell's a dumbass? Sure, I'll take that. But trying to skew his name, especially when it was used for an ENDORSEMENT for him, is just stupid.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

So aside from the major game that he blew all momentum for, you want us to name another game?

He lost to DALLAS.

Dude, give it up. We're pissed off because of this game. Get over it.

didn;t he lead the league in misses last year?

[Enter Apotheosis]

The overreaction in this thread is incredible. You guys are expecting way too much out of a kicker. The simple fact of the matter is that you must score TDs to win games. Suisham is not a great kicker but he's also by no means terrible, he's just very average.


where is Nick Novak when you need him?

Kicking a career 63% to Suisham's 80%.


He missed two out of four. Generally, you cut kickers who miss 2 of 4. Especially in warm, dry, windless conditions.

Going 2 for 4 will only get you cut if its a regular statline. Every kicker in the league will have at least one game a season where they miss a few.

[21Knock_U_Out]

I've said it before. I'll say it again. The name fits.

We need a big play from Candle, he can run OB or try a dumb throw through a couple defenders.

*POOF* Lights out. We lose. Game over. Candle extinguished again.

The only reason we were in this game is because of Campbell. He made the throws . He evaded the pressure.Come on guy. No Portis no Betts no O-Line....pull your head out .

[NewCliche21]

didn;t he lead the league in misses last year?

That was last year. He's kicking ass this year.

The problem is that he was kicking his own's team's ass against Dallas.

[Papabear]

Campbell is tall and it was a tipped pass. =o/

[IrepDC]

Suisham broke my heart today

[MoeRedskins]

This game is on SuiSHAM....100%


The game is on the offense, not all Suisham. It sucks, but you should never have to depend on your kicker to score ALL of your points. Suisham deserves some blame. But I don't hear you thanking him for giving us enough points to win the St. Louis or Tampa game.

[HailGreen28]

Campbell missed two field goals, right? Remind me how Campbell did on third down on this game, if you will.

This was one of the few games this season Campbell actually played well. Get off your quarterback-hating tirade for a second to realize that despite incredible odds stacked against the Redskins, they were still in position to have their kicker win the game. Twice. Good kickers don't blow those chances.Did those third downs turn into touchdowns? Typical candle support tactic, focus on a stat. Nevermind if stats were all that counted, Hunter smith would be our QB, and candle never would've played again after collins helped rescue our season in 2007.

But hey that's history. keep defending our QB that couldn't score any TDs today, and made a boneheaded mistake at the end to kill our last drive. :doh:

[redskins55]

Thank you offensive coaches, whichever one of you decided to take the ball out of Jason's hands on 3rd and two and us up by 6 and on the 30 yard line. Jason had been perfect all day on third down, brilliant move to call that draw.

I'll see if I can come up with a few more thank yous


Nope this is enough You are right on the money with this one! :thumbsup:

[steve09ru]

So aside from the major game that he blew all momentum for, you want us to name another game?

He lost to DALLAS.

Dude, give it up. We're pissed off because of this game. Get over it.

"He" didn't lose it - a 50 yarder is not a gimme or even close to a gimme - how about questionable playcalling (prior to both misses)? 2 dropped picks (inside cowboys territory)? the offense? they didn't put us in position to win - the defense did

[NewCliche21]

"He" didn't lose it - a 50 yarder is not a gimme or even close to a gimme - how about questionable playcalling (prior to both misses)? 2 dropped picks (inside cowboys territory)? the offense? they didn't put us in position to win - the defense did

He did lose it. Either of those kicks made = win.

Kickers make those kicks. See: Patriots, New England.

[HailGreen28]

The only reason we were in this game is because of Campbell. He made the throws . He evaded the pressure.Come on guy. No Portis no Betts no O-Line....pull your head out .What throws? None that an average QB couldn't have made. Aaron Rogers and Big ben would love the protection candle gets.

Pull YOUR head out and quit defending a QB that can't score and killed our last drive all by himself.

[21Knock_U_Out]

Nope this is enough You are right on the money with this one! :thumbsup:

+1. Thats GUTLESS football.

[MoeRedskins]

He did lose it. Either of those kicks made = win.

Kickers make those kicks. See: Patriots, New England.

The offense scores TDs too, so...........

[HailGreen28]

You still sound like you're five. Name-calling is name-calling and can't co-exist with a serious debate or argument.

Campbell's a dumbass? Sure, I'll take that. But trying to skew his name, especially when it was used for an ENDORSEMENT for him, is just stupid.The name fits. On that last drive, Candle BLEW IT again.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Did those third downs turn into touchdowns? Typical candle support tactic, focus on a stat. Nevermind if stats were all that counted, Hunter smith would be our QB, and candle never would've played again after collins helped rescue our season in 2007.

But hey that's history. keep defending our QB that couldn't score any TDs today, and made a boneheaded mistake at the end to kill our last drive. :doh:

Hey, do me a favor and see if you can name our starting offensive line today, and where / what position they were playing last year.

Kthx.

If you want additional fun, see if you can name what string Cartwright and Ganther were at the beginning of this season.

Oh also, see if you can name which Redskins players dropped interceptions today.

[SonOfWashington]

The overreaction in this thread is incredible. You guys are expecting way too much out of a kicker. The simple fact of the matter is that you must score TDs to win games. Suisham is not a great kicker but he's also by no means terrible, he's just very average.Is expecting field goals of under 40 yards to be made in a windless, dry situation "way too much?"

[NewCliche21]

What throws? None that an average QB couldn't have made. Aaron Rogers and Big ben would love the protection candle gets.

Pull YOUR head out and quit defending a QB that can't score and killed our last drive all by himself.

The reason that nobody takes you seriously is that you can't give any credit where it's due. Campbell was near 100% on third down. You can't even give him that.

Yeah, he's not a game-winning quarterback, but it's so all or nothing with you that your judgment on quarterbacks is just like watching FOX News.

[Mr_ Skinshead]

There was no wind at all in the stadium.

Sure there was. There was plenty of wind whistling through the ears of Zorn and Campbell.

[VTmike]

Why were we kicking field goals in the first place?

[redskins55]

Did those third downs turn into touchdowns? Typical candle support tactic, focus on a stat. Nevermind if stats were all that counted, Hunter smith would be our QB, and candle never would've played again after collins helped rescue our season in 2007.

But hey that's history. keep defending our QB that couldn't score any TDs today, and made a boneheaded mistake at the end to kill our last drive. :doh:

What's your probelm??

We didnt score TDs because our coaches played safe all game. Campbell did an excellent job driving our team down the field and converting on 3rd downs. I dont blame Campbell or Suisham I blame the coaches for not playing to win the game. They played for field goals and it backfired!

[21Knock_U_Out]

What throws? None that an average QB couldn't have made. Aaron Rogers and Big ben would love the protection candle gets.

Pull YOUR head out and quit defending a QB that can't score and killed our last drive all by himself.

:bsflag: You are full of ****. Love to have the protection?Ha ha , you lose all creditability on that won.

[steve09ru]

He did lose it. Either of those kicks made = win.

Kickers make those kicks. See: Patriots, New England.

we can play that game - what if Folk doesn't miss and Barber doesn't fumble - what good do those 2 field goals do?

[VTmike]

Hey, do me a favor and see if you can name our starting offensive line today, and where / what position they were playing last year.

Kthx.

If you want additional fun, see if you can name what string Cartwright and Ganther were at the beginning of this season.

Oh also, see if you can name which Redskins players dropped interceptions today.

Can you honestly tell me this former 1st-round pick has done anything worthwhile here? Won us any playoff games? Winning record as a starter? Over 20 touchdown passes?

Quit the act, he's not an NFL QB and if you think he is then you are as misguided as this front office for thinking he is.

[IrepDC]

What throws? None that an average QB couldn't have made. Aaron Rogers and Big ben would love the protection candle gets.

Pull YOUR head out and quit defending a QB that can't score and killed our last drive all by himself.

He's drunk. Let him be.

[NewCliche21]

The name fits. On that last drive, Candle BLEW IT again.

You're 42 and can't debate squat without having a zealot's stubbornness and using a pre-juvenile method of name-calling.

Your show is old and your opinions just don't mean anything anymore.

And, here's the kicker: I agree with you that Campbell should be cut!

[Enter Apotheosis]

Is expecting field goals of under 40 yards to be made in a windless, dry situation "way too much?"

Not at all. It's reasonable to expect a kicker to make that because they will more often than not. However, more often than not does not equal 100% of the time. In reality its more like 75-85% of the time when you're talking about a 40-ish yarder.

A 50-something yarder is a less than 50% shot for even the best kickers.

[21Knock_U_Out]

What's your probelm??

We didnt score TDs because our coaches played safe all game. Campbell did an excellent job driving our team down the field and converting on 3rd downs. I dont blame Campbell or Suisham I blame the coaches for not playing to win the game. They played for field goals and it backfired!

No sense in explaining it to this guy. He is a HAAAAAYYYTER. He probably didnt even watch the game.

[NewCliche21]

we can play that game - what if Folk doesn't miss and Barber doesn't fumble - what good do those 2 field goals do?

Those plays aren't dependent on Suisham, so they're irrelevant.

[terrifNick21]

Anyone that thinks this game is on Campbell is ****ing stupid.

[Slacky McSlackAss]

3rd and 2 and you run a draw play. Conservative playcalling never wins a game. Can't put this loss on Suisham at all. He should never have had to kick that 50 yarder. The 39 yarder he got iced by the booth review.

[HailGreen28]

The reason that nobody takes you seriously is that you can't give any credit where it's due. Campbell was near 100% on third down. You can't even give him that.

Yeah, he's not a game-winning quarterback, but it's so all or nothing with you that your judgment on quarterbacks is just like watching FOX News.You think *I* lack credibility? Over Candle's performance when all you can quote is a freakin third down rate. Never mind total lack of TD production, big throws, leadership, man thank god those 3rd downs saved the game for us! :silly:

Only time anyone can believe you is when you admit you screwed up. And yet you're screwing up again, now.

[21Knock_U_Out]

He's drunk. Let him be.

Nope. But your are high on crack.

[redskin faithful]

LOL, he wouldn't have made that 39 yarder as well :)
Not even talking about the 50 one :)
How about T Henry. I might of had a hand in there but he would've made it. lol

[Papabear]

I miss you Tony Banks! <3

[HailGreen28]

Anyone that thinks this game is on Campbell is ****ing stupid.refresh my memory. what happened on our last offensive play?

[eyeball]

this thread is ridiculous. Dude hadn't missed all season. He missed a 50 yarder, it happens. The 39 yarder sucks, but you can't even begin to put this loss on him. The stagnant offense is what killed us today. Again.

he gets paid to make them all dude....

[SirClintonPortis]

Sure there was. There was plenty of wind whistling through the ears of Zorn and Campbell.
What does this have to do with physical air molecules hitting the football?

[JaimeDeCurry]

Can you honestly tell me this former 1st-round pick has done anything worthwhile here? Won us any playoff games? Winning record as a starter? Over 20 touchdown passes?

Quit the act, he's not an NFL QB and if you think he is then you are as misguided as this front office for thinking he is.


All I'm saying, is that I'm not pissed at all at Campbell today.

Levi Jones - Derrick Dockery - Casey Rabach - Ed Williams - Stephon Heyer

How many of those guys were A) Cut by their own team or B) Not drafted?

Yet we were still in a position to beat our biggest rival, until Shankopotamus came out to play.

[HailGreen28]

You're 42 and can't debate squat without having a zealot's stubbornness and using a pre-juvenile method of name-calling.

Your show is old and your opinions just don't mean anything anymore.

And, here's the kicker: I agree with you that Campbell should be cut!So what's your problem? Admit that Candle isn't the answer, but can't stand a nickname based on his performance?

[IrepDC]

Nope. But your are high on crack.

Nice comeback?

[steve09ru]

Those plays aren't dependent on Suisham, so they're irrelevant.
they aren't dependent on suisham directly but they are dependent on what the outcome could have been and that the suisham kicks wouldn't have mattered

- i agree he should have made one of those but to solely put the blame on him and not see the ludicrous play calls (not to mention everyone saying he chokes but cannot list another game outside of the seattle game which we had no business winning anyway)

[Enter Apotheosis]

refresh my memory. what happened on our last offensive play?

I'm predicting this response "it got tipped, it wasn't his fault" despite the fact that JC was scrambling left and trying to throw to the right over the heads of three defenders and in a small window between two more defenders when he had plenty of room to scramble.

[NewCliche21]

You think *I* lack credibility? Over Candle's performance when all you can quote is a freakin third down rate. Never mind total lack of TD production, big throws, leadership, man thank god those 3rd downs saved the game for us! :silly:

Only time anyone can believe you is when you admit you screwed up. And yet you're screwing up again, now.

You don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Just stop.

He didn't win us this game and couldn't score us a damned thing, and that's where it matters. Campbell, once again, didn't lead us to a win. As usual. His touch downs are more rare than his 100+ passer rating games. He misses open receivers or doesn't see them at all and couldn't throw a deep ball or fade route to save his life.

However, he did well on third downs today, so he deserves credit for that.

I don't see how any of that is debatable.

[Painkiller]

I had my head bitten off for calling out Suisham in the game thread, and then he misses another. If you had to win a game with a field goal kicker, you'd be hard pressed to find another in the NFL that you wouldn't rather have than him.

[HailGreen28]

I'm predicting this response "it got tipped, it wasn't his fault" despite the fact that JC was scrambling left and trying to throw to the right over the heads of three defenders and in a small window between two more defenders when he had plenty of room to scramble.If you hadn't said anything, you'd have been right on the money. see if any candle lovers post before they read your comment. Edit: right below mine. You win!

[JaimeDeCurry]

refresh my memory. what happened on our last offensive play?

Campbell's pass was tipped and intercepted.

Now you refresh my memory - what happened when Suisham lined up for a 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?

[NewCliche21]

they aren't dependent on suisham directly but they are dependent on what the outcome could have been and that the suisham kicks wouldn't have mattered

- i agree he should have made one of those but to solely put the blame on him and not see the ludicrous play calls (not to mention everyone saying he chokes but cannot list another game outside of the seattle game which we had no business winning anyway)

Then nobody has ever lost any game for any team ever, because someone else on the team could've always done better.

Your argument doesn't hold water, but I do see what you're trying to say.

[21Knock_U_Out]

Nice comeback?

Thanks, I know.;)

[NOLASKINSFAN]

hate to hijack the thread by talking about Suisham.... but umm 14/16 still one of the best in the league, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[NewCliche21]

hate to hijack the thread by talking about Suisham.... but umm 14/16 still one of the best in the league, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

The only game worth squat this season is Dallas at Dallas, and he blew it.

That IS the baby.

[mi6]

Got two words for Sean Suisham ...**** You!

The guys lost the game for us.

[Roc]

This Lose is on the offense we could not score. We would get a big play then just stalls out. We need to draft a o linemen or a QB or a Rb. Make the pick worth it. Do we have a First round pick?

[HailGreen28]

You don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Just stop.

He didn't win us this game and couldn't score us a damned thing, and that's where it matters. Campbell, once again, didn't lead us to a win. As usual. His touch downs are more rare than his 100+ passer rating games. He misses open receivers or doesn't see them at all and couldn't throw a deep ball or fade route to save his life.

However, he did well on third downs today, so he deserves credit for that.

I don't see how any of that is debatable.Just in case YOU forgot this whole thread: the issue is Candle more to blame than Swish. Try to keep up. :psyche:

[jbowman]

Campbell's pass was tipped and intercepted.

Now you refresh my memory - what happened when Suisham lined up for a 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?

He stood around for over 8 minutes while the refs figured out how to call a game.

[NewCliche21]

Just in case YOU forgot this whole thread: the issue is Candle more to blame than Swish. Try to keep up. :psyche:

The use of the word "Candle" makes your arguments worthless.

Suisham blew the game that Campbell couldn't win.

You can't even understand that we agree because of your blind zeal.

[NOLASKINSFAN]

Now you refresh my memory - whautt happened when Suisham lined up for a 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?

he missed...who scored all the points the first place?

[NewCliche21]

he missed...who scored all the points the first place?

If a quarterback throws two touchdowns and then throws a pick when we need a touchdown, it's his fault.

If a running back scores two touchdowns and then fumbles when we need a touchdown, it's his fault.

[Enter Apotheosis]

He stood around for over 8 minutes while the refs figured out how to call a game.

And lined up for field goals at three different distances before he could finally get his attempt in.

[RunClintonRun26]

Obviously one can look at the score and see that if he had made just one of those 2 FGs we would've won . . . Having said that though (and trust me . . . i'm pretty damn upset with him at Suisham at the moment), I still cannot come to grips with Coach Zorn's decision on the draw before the last miss . . . . or his decision to not take a shot before the half.

That one before the half is particularly interesting, because you have to wonder what the hell is going through his head. Perhaps it was a lack of confidence in JC to make the right decision? Meaning that if he didn't see anything there in the first 3-5 seconds, would he throw the ball away through the endzone to save the attempt for a FG? Probably not.

But I digress. Suisham **** the bed today. No question about it. He was a contributing factor in the loss. Not the sole reason.

[JaimeDeCurry]

He stood around for over 8 minutes while the refs figured out how to call a game.

If the argument becomes that we can't rely on our kicker in a dry, windless environment because he had to wait to kick the ball, then you need a new kicker.

His job is to make field goals.

[HailGreen28]

Campbell's pass was tipped and intercepted.

Now you refresh my memory - what happened when Suisham lined up for a 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?LOL! Like Candle should have even thrown in that situation, at those defenders. You really didn't see the game did you?

Let's try the same description for Suisham: On yet another drive that our offense couldn't score, the FG was missed. That's OK, right?

[TheShredSkinz]

This thread is ridiculous. Dude hadn't missed all season. He missed a 50 yarder, it happens. The 39 yarder sucks, but you can't even BEGIN to put this loss on him. The stagnant offense is what killed us today. AGAIN.

He ALWAYS fails at the most important times and NEVER hits it from beyond 48 coming up short even. They should've been thinking about cutting him after Seattle. He should've been cut after his showing last year.

[NewCliche21]

LOL! Like Candle should have even thrown in that situation, at those defenders. You really didn't see the game did you?

Let's try the same description for Suisham: On yet another drive that our offense couldn't score, the FG was missed. That's OK, right?

That IS what happened.

[SirClintonPortis]

Just in case YOU forgot this whole thread: the issue is Candle more to blame than Swish. Try to keep up. :psyche:

And "Candle" helped get the team into field goal range in the first place.

[JaimeDeCurry]

he missed...who scored all the points the first place?

If Campbell were to throw for two touchdowns, and throw two interceptions in the red zone when we needed to score, he lost the game for us.

If Cooley were to catch two touchdowns and drop two easy passes in the end zone when we needed to score, he lost the game for us.

If Suisham were to kick two field goals, then miss two when we needed to score, he lost the game for us.

[HailGreen28]

The use of the word "Candle" makes your arguments worthless.

Suisham blew the game that Campbell couldn't win.

You can't even understand that we agree because of your blind zeal.Then why are you arguing? Do you even read posts of the nicknames posted here?

Save your eyes young man! Don't even look at posts talking about Suisham, Rogers, Landry, Haynesworth... you won't believe the stuff posted here!

RUN, NEWCLICHE RUN! SAVE YOURSELF!!!! :hysterical:

[JaimeDeCurry]

LOL! Like Candle should have even thrown in that situation, at those defenders. You really didn't see the game did you?

Let's try the same description for Suisham: On yet another drive that our offense couldn't score, the FG was missed. That's OK, right?

Since you didn't answer, I'll ask again.

What happened when Suisham attempted the 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?

[NewCliche21]

And "Candle" helped get the team into field goal range in the first place.

I don't even know why I bother with him. I'm FOR cutting Campbell, but he's just so far out in left field that he couldn't find reality with a map, GPS, and Sherpa.

[HailGreen28]

And "Candle" helped get the team into field goal range in the first place.Yes he did. My point is that's all he was capable of today. I don't know why six points is looked on by some people as candle "growing up" or "played well".

[21Knock_U_Out]

And "Candle" helped get the team into field goal range in the first place.

With out Portis , Cooley, Betts, and starting caliber O- line.

[IrepDC]

Thanks, I know.;)

I really do think he is drunk though. He never liked Campbell but he normally doesn't ramble on this much.

[HailGreen28]

Since you didn't answer, I'll ask again.

What happened when Suisham attempted the 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?I answered the same way you did. Even if you can't admit it. Thing is, candle had a lot more opportunities to make something happen than swish did.

[NewCliche21]

Then why are you arguing? Do you even read posts of the nicknames posted here?

Save your eyes young man! Don't even look at posts talking about Suisham, Rogers, Landry, Haynesworth... you won't believe the stuff posted here!

RUN, NEWCLICHE RUN! SAVE YOURSELF!!!! :hysterical:

Another lesson learned in kindergarten: What is popular is not always right; what is right is not always popular.

Any negative name inspired by the actual name of a person is immature and ruins credibility.

You just happen to post it in all of your thousands of posts. You saturate the market, so you're the one catching the flak.

[21Knock_U_Out]

I really do think he is drunk though. He never liked Campbell but he normally doesn't ramble on this much.

My bad.:D

[IrepDC]

Yes he did. My point is that's all he was capable of today. I don't know why six points is looked on by some people as candle "growing up" or "played well".

The 3rd down before half, after he drove us into FG range, the coaches took the ball out of his hands and kicked the field goal. Missed.

The 3 and 2 in the 4th quarter, after Campbell drove us into FG range, the coaches called a draw and we got stopped. Attempted the 50 yd kick and missed.

[HailGreen28]

Another lesson learned in kindergarten: What is popular is not always right; what is right is not always popular.

Any negative name inspired by the actual name of a person is immature and ruins credibility.

You just happen to post it in all of your thousands of posts. You saturate the market, so you're the one catching the flak.naw, I think there's some issue you have. You don't mind me using a nickname for our kicker......

[21forlyfe]

SS you suck

[IrepDC]

My bad.:D

I just realized you thought I was agreeing with HIM? Haha. No.

[JaimeDeCurry]

refresh my memory. what happened on our last offensive play?


Campbell's pass was tipped and intercepted.

Now you refresh my memory - what happened when Suisham lined up for a 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?


LOL! Like Candle should have even thrown in that situation, at those defenders. You really didn't see the game did you?

Let's try the same description for Suisham: On yet another drive that our offense couldn't score, the FG was missed. That's OK, right?


Since you didn't answer, I'll ask again.

What happened when Suisham attempted the 39-yard field goal to put us up by two scores?


I answered the same way you did. Even if you can't admit it. Thing is, candle had a lot more opportunities to make something happen than swish did.

Care to make any more ridiculous claims?

Or can you just answer the question straightforward, the way I did?

[BurgundyNGold#47]

Yah thanks suisham for the missed fgs...but hey it was mostly our faults...WAYYYY TO CONSERVATIVE...get real, kick w 15 secs left...up by 3 on 3rd down, ummm take a shot for a td first...but hey shank the fg, and get no pts is better than trying i guess....and way to gooooo stalling all our drives in dallas territory...thanks for the conservative playcallling...

[HailGreen28]

The 3rd down before half, after he drove us into FG range, the coaches took the ball out of his hands and kicked the field goal. Missed.

The 3 and 2 in the 4th quarter, after Campbell drove us into FG range, the coaches called a draw and we got stopped. Attempted the 50 yd kick and missed.Coaches called all the game, not just what you want to cherry pick. The coaches had to run other plays cause candle can't be trusted. remember that last pass play?

[21Knock_U_Out]

i just realized you thought i was agreeing with him? Haha. No.

lol.

[HailGreen28]

Care to make any more ridiculous claims?

Or can you just answer the question straightforward, the way I did?The offense stalled and the fg was missed. How is that different from the way you answered my question. And another poster called you on your idiocy. check a couple posts above your lame response to my question.

[IrepDC]

Coaches called all the game, not just what you want to cherry pick. The coaches had to run other plays cause candle can't be trusted. remember that last pass play?

No they ran those plays because they trusted Suicham would make the kick. He didn't.

[NewCliche21]

naw, I think there's some issue you have. You don't mind me using a nickname for our kicker......

I don't know if you've ever played basketball, but a "swish" is a good thing.

Your immaturity pervades every post that you make, which is, again, why nobody takes what you have to say seriously.

[HailGreen28]

No they ran those plays because they trusted Suicham would make the kick. He didn't.Who tries a 50 yarder based on trust in the kicker? Sure if you got Jason elam on the sidelines. If candle played anywhere near good, not average, good, we wouldn't even be arguing this.

[blue collar]

this game is not suisham yes he missed the field goals but

he should have never been put inot the postion

No offense to you personally, but I get tired of hearing that old excuse after the kicker misses a couple of makable FG's. It's his job to make FG's no matter what situation the coach put him in.

[NewCliche21]

The offense stalled and the fg was missed. How is that different from the way you answered my question. And another poster called you on your idiocy. check a couple posts above your lame response to my question.

I don't know why you insult other members. Maybe it's because your arguments are so flimsy that it's the only way that you can make a pathetic attempt to have substantiative posts?

[JaimeDeCurry]

The offense stalled and the fg was missed. How is that different from the way you answered my question. And another poster called you on your idiocy. check a couple posts above your lame response to my question.

On my idiocy?

You asked what happened on the last offensive play. I said Campbell's pass was tipped and intercepted.

If that's not what happened, please correct me. Please.

Take off your blinders long enough to admit that Shankasaurus Rex cost us the game today.

[NewCliche21]

Who tries a 50 yarder based on trust in the kicker? Sure if you got Jason elam on the sidelines. If candle played anywhere near good, not average, good, we wouldn't even be arguing this.

Huh? Every coach goes for that, 10/9 times. Once again, you don't know what you're saying.

Using "Candle" in place of Campbell's name makes you look immature and childish.

[veteranskinsfan]

Will our current kicker still be on the team by this Wednesday? Will Vinny find some competition? Will our punter offer to replace our kicker? Will Zorn take up the punter's offer to be our new field goal kicker? Stay tuned for Redskins drama.

[buenosdiaz]

he always misses when it matters is the problem with him

in no pressure situations he is money

its when the team needs him to make kicks that he sucks

go back to the seattle game and go through all his misses, they are when the game is on the line

[HailGreen28]

I don't know if you've ever played basketball, but a "swish" is a good thing.

Your immaturity pervades every post that you make, which is, again, why nobody takes what you have to say seriously.Call me immature, when you're pouting like a baby. Right. You've admitted you can't argue in candle's favor based on his performance, so what are you arguing about?

The name fits. On our last offensive play, Candle BLEW IT again.

What else is there to say?

[SirClintonPortis]

Yes he did. My point is that's all he was capable of today. I don't know why six points is looked on by some people as candle "growing up" or "played well".

Campbell's main problems are his lack of accuracy and lack of poise in the pocket. I didn't see much of these flaws manifesting itself today as much as the offense in general forced to become more one-dimensional and then unable to hold its own against the D.

But going "ego te absolvo" on a kicker who didn't perform with his chances, and with favorable conditions? When you're in a position to win the game, and you miss, the player deserves the blame.

[HailGreen28]

On my idiocy?

You asked what happened on the last offensive play. I said Campbell's pass was tipped and intercepted.

If that's not what happened, please correct me. Please.

Take off your blinders long enough to admit that Shankasaurus Rex cost us the game today.Ignoring that Candle shouldn't have even thrown that pass is your proble. Sorry you haven't figured that out yet.

Oh no! You used a derogatory name for one of our players! Better edit that quick before newcliche sees it.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Call me immature, when you're pouting like a baby. Right. You've admitted you can't argue in candle's favor based on his performance, so what are you arguing about?

The name fits. On our last offensive play, Candle BLEW IT again.

What else is there to say?


I'm confused. A candle blows? I think candles actually GET blown, right?

Seems like his nickname should be fan. Or volcano. Or something at least humorous and clever.

[HailGreen28]

Campbell's main problems are his lack of accuracy and lack of poise in the pocket. I didn't see much of these flaws manifesting itself today as much as the offense in general forced to become more one-dimensional and then unable to hold its own against the D.

But going "ego te absolvo" on a kicker who didn't perform with his chances, and with favorable conditions? When you're in a position to win the game, and you miss, the player deserves the blame.I just see the usual candle apologists, like IREP, trying to find a scapegoat for this game, anybody but the QB we can't rely on.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Ignoring that Candle shouldn't have even thrown that pass is your proble. Sorry you haven't figured that out yet.

Oh no! You used a derogatory name for one of our players! Better edit that quick before newcliche sees it.

Ignoring that Suisham missed two field goals that would have put us up by two scores is your problem.

You're not actually 42, right? That can't be correct. You flubbed the "age" category when you signed up, yeah?

[HailGreen28]

I'm confused. A candle blows? I think candles actually GET blown, right?

Seems like his nickname should be fan. Or volcano. Or something at least humorous and clever.Well, just a little whiff, and it's lights out. It's relatively fragile. Jc was certainly easy for dallass to blow out at the end. Got any other good suggestions?

[JaimeDeCurry]

Well, just a little whiff, and it's lights out. It's relatively fragile. Jc was certainly easy for dallass to blow out at the end. Got any other good suggestions?

No, no, no. A thousand times no.

Campbell was the only reason we were in this game.

We had a ridiculous amount of 3rd and longs, and Campbell was damn near perfect on the day on 3rd down.

If you don't want to blame Suisham for this loss, fine. Blame Cerrato for putting us in this awful situation. But you can't negate - despite all your incessant blubbering - the fact that twice Suisham was in position to put us up by two scores, and missed both times.

[HailGreen28]

Ignoring that Suisham missed two field goals that would have put us up by two scores is your problem.

You're not actually 42, right? That can't be correct. You flubbed the "age" category when you signed up, yeah?You want to blame the kicker for a 37 yd miss in a dome, justified. for a 50 yd miss even in a dome, no, that's the coaches having little confidence in the rest of the team.

Blaming the kicker for a game we never scored a touchdown = idiocy.

You want to think about it, or rehash "how old are you" insults from elementary school?

[RED06]

I just see the usual candle apologists, like IREP, trying to find a scapegoat for this game, anybody but the QB we can't rely on.

And I see you staying true to form and blaming everything on Campbell. A blind person knows what cost us the game today, and I just see the usual Campbell bashers blaming him week in and week out! You go dude..............


RED06

[HailGreen28]

No, no, no. A thousand times no.

Campbell was the only reason we were in this game.

We had a ridiculous amount of 3rd and longs, and Campbell was damn near perfect on the day on 3rd down.

If you don't want to blame Suisham for this loss, fine. Blame Cerrato for putting us in this awful situation. But you can't negate - despite all your incessant blubbering - the fact that twice Suisham was in position to put us up by two scores, and missed both times.You remember the last offensive play we ran, right?

SHouldn't have come to that, but the same applies to the fg attempts.

Again, you're trying to blame the kicker for a game we couldn't buy a touchdown in. Is this smart?

[HailGreen28]

And I see you staying true to form and blaming everything on Campbell. A blind person knows what cost us the game today, and I just see the usual Campbell bashers blaming him week in and week out! You go dude..............


RED06Do you even read my posts, like the one right above yours that I'm replying to?

[SirClintonPortis]

I just see the usual candle apologists, like IREP, trying to find a scapegoat for this game, anybody but the QB we can't rely on.
You're not a bastion of objectivity either. Suisham doesn't get a free pass for bungling his chances just like JC doesn't get one for the plays he's missed. When it boils down to JUST OBTAINING THE WIN, not how "sound" the win is, Suisham deserves the skewering he's getting. As for JC preventing the team from having "sound" wins, yes, he's had his fair share of games where it's clear he's a liability, but this game today is not the best one since the O-line play also regresssed.

[JaimeDeCurry]

You want to blame the kicker for a 37 yd miss in a dome, justified. for a 50 yd miss even in a dome, no, that's the coaches having little confidence in the rest of the team.

Blaming the kicker for a game we never scored a touchdown = idiocy.

You want to think about it, or rehash "how old are you" insults from elementary school?


You're damn right I want to blame him for those misses. You pay a field goal kicker to do one thing, and one thing only. It doesn't matter if the game is 6-0 or 35-35. However many touchdowns your team has scored is irrelevant. You make the damn kick.

Ask the Patriots how they feel about kickers. Ask Joe Theismann how he feels about Mark Mosely.

[InsaneBoost]

Yeah Suisham didn't make two needed field goals, but the team didn't score touchdowns when they should have.

[Enter Apotheosis]

No, no, no. A thousand times no.

Campbell was the only reason we were in this game.

He was also solely responsible for making a very poor decision that led to a tipped ball for an interception at the end of the game.

Suisham had a bad game, the defense left several potential turnovers on the field, and Campbell did what he always seems to do (just enough to keep it close, not enough to get into the end zone).

The loss is on our coaching staff and inability of anyone on either side of the ball to come up big in the clutch.

[skinfan13]

He's been solid all year, and picked the worst possible damn game to start shanking kicks. This game should never have come down to a single field goal. Our defense DOMINATED the game. Our offense is such utter and complete trash. If we had even a semblance of an offense, we'd have blown them out.

Suisham better bounce back, otherwise he'll be finding a new team next season. what, is he going to magically get better? he's a mediocre player. we haven't had a clutch kicker in years. it's almost worth spending a fourth round pick on a kicker at the draft.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Again, you're trying to blame the kicker for a game we couldn't buy a touchdown in. Is this smart?


Yes. Absolutely yes.

He was in a position to win us the game. He didn't do it. How is it not his fault?

If we need a touchdown to win, and Campbell - who has already thrown two in the game - overthrows Cooley in the end zone, is it his fault? Yes.

If we need a touchdown to win, and Portis fumbles on his way to the end zone despite two rushing touchdowns earlier, is it his fault? Yes.

If we need a field goal and Suisham misses a 39-yarder after making two earlier, is it his fault? Yes.

[HailGreen28]

You're not a bastion of objectivity either. Suisham doesn't get a free pass for bungling his chances just like JC doesn't get one for the plays he's missed. When it boils down to JUST OBTAINING THE WIN, not how "sound" the win is, Suisham deserves the skewering he's getting. As for JC preventing the team from having "sound" wins, yes, he's had his fair share of games where it's clear he's a liability, but this game today is not the best one since the O-line play also regresssed.When did I say swish was blameless? Honestly?

Never claimed to be entirely objective either. I have expressed in other threads my displeasure at the same excuses for Candle four years running now.

I actually give our O-Line a lot of credit today. Seasoned o-Line with plenty of time to gel together, this is not!

I'm mainly marveling at people wanting to blame the kicker when he's the only one to score for us today.

[HailGreen28]

Yes. Absolutely yes.

He was in a position to win us the game. He didn't do it. How is it not his fault?

If we need a touchdown to win, and Campbell - who has already thrown two in the game - overthrows Cooley in the end zone, is it his fault? Yes.

If we need a touchdown to win, and Portis fumbles on his way to the end zone despite two rushing touchdowns earlier, is it his fault? Yes.

If we need a field goal and Suisham misses a 39-yarder after making two earlier, is it his fault? Yes.How about, just hypothetically speaking mind you, a QB that hasn't scored all day making a poor decision to throw, and not a good throw at that, to kill our final drive?

[NewCliche21]

Yes. Absolutely yes.

He was in a position to win us the game. He didn't do it. How is it not his fault?

If we need a touchdown to win, and Campbell - who has already thrown two in the game - overthrows Cooley in the end zone, is it his fault? Yes.

If we need a touchdown to win, and Portis fumbles on his way to the end zone despite two rushing touchdowns earlier, is it his fault? Yes.

If we need a field goal and Suisham misses a 39-yarder after making two earlier, is it his fault? Yes.

Man, just give it up. You're right and you know it; even people who want Campbell off the squad (myself included) can see the truth. Zealots just don't get it.

[jabronijames]

Yeah Suisham didn't make two needed field goals, but the team didn't score touchdowns when they should have.

The offense was pretty sorry today with the exception of Rock. Yes, Suisam really lost us this game, but come on...with any kind of offense we would have been up 35-7 today. Man, this offense sucks!

[NewCliche21]

The offense was pretty sorry today with the exception of Rock. Yes, Suisam really lost us this game, but come on...with any kind of offense we would have been up 35-7 today. Man, this offense sucks!

Probably the most accurate post in the thread.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Man, just give it up. You're right and you know it; even people who want Campbell off the squad (myself included) can see the truth. Zealots just don't get it.

I often feel like this (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png) guy from XKCD.

[HailGreen28]

Probably the most accurate post in the thread.You're just happy with the "Suisham really lost us this game". Like it disproves our last offensive play, or the rest of our offense.

Again, the only player to score, you blame. Meanwhile oh no can't insult Jason Candle.

Please. A QB can make all the difference.

[ZEPHEAD]

I put this loss on whoever called the delay draw when it ws 4th and 2 forcing us to rely on Suisham and then Blatche going to the zone defense on Dallas winning drive. Up to that point Dallas had 99 yards passing, why would you stop playing that defense??? Why does this coaching staff coach not to lose? we are 3-6 going into this game, play to win. Go down swinging. The coaches on both sides of the ball lost this game

[SirClintonPortis]

I'm mainly marveling at people wanting to blame the kicker when he's the only one to score for us today.
When it comes to just winning the game, oh yes, he deserves a skewering, much like how Ravens fans probably skewered Hauschka for missing that one against Minny. Campbell and the O-line have their own respective issues, and those need to be addressed as well come the offseason.

[NewCliche21]

The offense was pretty sorry today with the exception of Rock. Yes, Suisam really lost us this game, but come on...with any kind of offense we would have been up 35-7 today. Man, this offense sucks!


You're just happy with the "Suisham really lost us this game". Like it disproves our last offensive play, or the rest of our offense.

Again, the only player to score, you blame. Meanwhile oh no can't insult Jason Candle.

Please. A QB can make all the difference.

You don't even bother to read. The post quoted clearly states that the offense sucked, and that includes Jason Campbell.

Using "Candle" as the name of Jason Campbell makes you look immature and childish.

If Campbell had scored three touchdowns and then thrown a pick at the end that lost us the game, then you wouldn't use this "the only player to score!" BS.

Then again, logic + your arguments = oil + water.

[buenosdiaz]

im sure ravens fans arent excusing their kicker for missing a 30 yard chip shot in a game where they couldnt "buy" a td

[JaimeDeCurry]

You're just happy with the "Suisham really lost us this game". Like it disproves our last offensive play, or the rest of our offense.

Again, the only player to score, you blame. Meanwhile oh no can't insult Jason Candle.

Please. A QB can make all the difference.

You do know that neither NewCliche or I think Campbell is a very good quarterback, right?

[HailGreen28]

When it comes to just winning the game, oh yes, he deserves a skewering, much like how Ravens fans probably skewered Hauschka for missing that one against Minny. Campbell and the O-line have their own respective issues, and those need to be addressed as well come the offseason.If we had just scored a couple TDs, I'd be in complete agreement. It would be Suisham that didn't hold up his end. An offense should do more, just like a kicker should make a 30-40 yarder.

We got a guy who didn't do his job half the time, versus a guy who didn't produce the whole game.

Dunno why a "thank you" thread got posted on the first.


You do know that neither NewCliche or I think Campbell is a very good quarterback, right?You make me wonder sometimes. The last play was a bad decision and not great throw, and should be characterized as such, not written off as just a "tipped pass", which usually means not the QB's fault. especially since you objected to me using similar terminology to yours describing the missed fg.

[NewCliche21]

You do know that neither NewCliche or I think Campbell is a very good quarterback, right?

Irrelevant. He can't argue to save his life, and unless you're being immature or claiming that Campbell is responsible for the Holocaust, you're wrong.

Notice that nobody's rushing to his aid, even those who hate Campbell with a passion.

You and I, though, just know that he's not the answer. Not being the answer, however, doesn't mean that he missed two kicks or didn't perform very, very well on third downs. Will he be gone next year? Of course. Will you or I slit our wrists over it? Absolutely not; it's what's best for all parties.

It doesn't matter to HailGreen28, though. Just gotta spew that ridiculousness if you want to get anything from him.

[DGREENHULK]

He is what we thought he was bring back Nick Novak at least he could make a clutch kick vs dallas

[rk3025]

Did he owe Dallas money from when he played for them?
Shankopatomus.

[addicted]

This one is on the kicker. He was due for a let down. 12 for 12 straight and he missed two. This was a defensive game and if we had gotten those points we would have won this. He was bound to miss, he was the worst kicker in the league last year. The team still have the same issues, Jason isn't a playmaker and our line isn't good. Playcalling was suspect. All in all not a horrible loss. But anyone excusing Suisham for this loss is crazy

[HailGreen28]

You don't even bother to read. The post quoted clearly states that the offense sucked, and that includes Jason Campbell.

Using "Candle" as the name of Jason Campbell makes you look immature and childish.

If Campbell had scored three touchdowns and then thrown a pick at the end that lost us the game, then you wouldn't use this "the only player to score!" BS.

Then again, logic + your arguments = oil + water.Sure, that's all why Suisham REALLY lost us the game, according to the post you thought was accurate. You don't know what really means, do you?

And since you have consistently failed reading comprehension this thread, maybe if I put this in a different font and color, you won't miss this from another post of mine.

If we had just scored a couple TDs, I'd be in complete agreement. It would be Suisham that didn't hold up his end. An offense should do more, just like a kicker should make a 30-40 yarder.

We got a guy who didn't do his job half the time, versus a guy who didn't produce the whole game.

Dunno why a "thank you" thread got posted on the first.


Learn to read. Meantime I'll be glad when Candle is gone.

[SirClintonPortis]

If we had just scored a couple TDs, I'd be in complete agreement. It would be Suisham that didn't hold up his end. An offense should do more, just like a kicker should make a 30-40 yarder.

We got a guy who didn't do his job half the time, versus a guy who didn't produce the whole game.

Dunno why a "thank you" thread got posted on the first.Ah, what would world do without near-libel...

The pukes only scored 7 points the entire game and that means that in order to JUST GET THE WIN, they only needed 8 or more, and Suisham missed on two of the opportunities.
Even addicted, a clear disbeliever in Campbell, can get this.

[Burgundy Reaper]

As a lurker and one who never posts yet often reads, I just want to say there are several people who need to be thanked.

Thank you Jim Zorn (this was his call, not Sherm's) for attempting a field goal on 3rd and 1 with 15 seconds remaining in the first half. I realize we were out of timeouts but we are 3-6! There is no reason why we shouldn't take a chance. At worst, throw it it out the back of the endzone. This shows zero confidence in the ofense.

Thank you Sherm Lewis for your lack of confidence in our offense by calling an extra conservative play on 3rd down right before Suisham's missed 50-yarder. Honestly, if we get that first down then I feel like we have a significantly better chance of winning the game.

Thank you Rocky for dropping this easiest inteception in the world.

Finally, thank you Shaun for for missing two very important field goals.


I think that the banged up Redskins played hard today but we just don't have very many TRUE playmakers. By this, I mean guys who don't drop easy interceptions/miss important kiss/etc. and can make clutch plays. The coaching staff is clueless. When you're 3-6 you need to being playing to win and not playing not to lose. It's just a rough year as a fan. Alright, I'm done venting.

[HailGreen28]

Ah, what would world do without near-libel...

The pukes only scored 7 points the entire game and that means that in order to JUST GET THE WIN, they only needed 8 or more, and Suisham missed on two of the opportunities.
Even addicted, a clear disbeliever in Campbell, can get this.I fault Suisham for one, not the 50 yarder, and Candle for not scoring himself the whole game. Guess who had more opportunties to win for us?

I don't know why this hard for people to understand. "Kicker" isn't even in our "top 5" of problems. Probably not even top ten if you go position by position.

And on that note, good night redskins fans all. If you want to argue this further, agree or not, I probably addressed it in one of my posts you missed before. Good night!

[21Knock_U_Out]

As a lurker and one who never posts yet often reads, I just want to say there are several people who need to be thanked.

Thank you Jim Zorn (this was his call, not Sherm's) for attempting a field goal on 3rd and 1 with 15 seconds remaining in the first half. I realize we were out of timeouts but we are 3-6! There is no reason why we shouldn't take a chance. At worst, throw it it out the back of the endzone. This shows zero confidence in the ofense.

Thank you Sherm Lewis for your lack of confidence in our offense by calling an extra conservative play on 3rd down right before Suisham's missed 50-yarder. Honestly, if we get that first down then I feel like we have a significantly better chance of winning the game.

Thank you Rocky for dropping this easiest inteception in the world.

Finally, thank you Shaun for for missing two very important field goals.


I think that the banged up Redskins played hard today but we just don't have very many TRUE playmakers. By this, I mean guys who don't drop easy interceptions/miss important kiss/etc. and can make clutch plays. The coaching staff is clueless. When you're 3-6 you need to being playing to win and not playing not to lose. It's just a rough year as a fan. Alright, I'm done venting.

:applause: Thank you for posting.

[SirClintonPortis]

I fault Suisham for one, not the 50 yarder, and Candle for not scoring himself the whole game. Guess who had more opportunties to win for us?

That's quite a subtle fallacy. Not every chance Campbell gets equates to a TD, and almost all the play calls were shorter range plays because the linemen clearly can't hold their blocks long enough for 7-step drops..

[RDSKNfaithfull]

People keep blaming Zorn for getting conservative on the 3rd and 1 are the same people that were irate that we took so many chances earlier in the year and it got us 3-6. This was a close game and was well coached we should have won. I don't blame Suish for the 50yarder because he isn't that good of a kicker but the one before the half has no excuse.

[Flik303]

He is redonkulous.

[Burgundy Reaper]

People keep blaming Zorn for getting conservative on the 3rd and 1 are the same people that were irate that we took so many chances earlier in the year and it got us 3-6. This was a close game and was well coached we should have won. I don't blame Suish for the 50yarder because he isn't that good of a kicker but the one before the half has no excuse.

There is a big difference between being overly conservative on third down and some some of the chances we took earlier in the season (being stopped on fourth down several times). I will respectfully disagree in regards to it being a well coached game.

[h8dacowgirls]

Thanks Shawn Suckham for missing 2 FG's today that would have gave your team a victory over the Dallas Cowboys. I wish I could do half of my job and get paid for it like you do!! Once again a sincere Thanks from Redskins fans everywhere who have to go to work another week and be joked on, and for giving fans a reason to walk around with their head down in shame. Thanks man you piece of $**T!!! I knew the real you was going to come out sooner or later and you were going to start missing again but in a rivalry game like this

[JoeGibbs3.0]

Suiss stinks. Any good team would of cut him after the Seahawks playoff lost. He cost us the game himself.

The pressure gets to him.

[Drockvb]

Suisham screwed up today and it cost the team, but i can't lay this loss on him.

There are these things called touchdowns that most teams use to win games. The lack of touchdowns is a greater problem than 2 missed field goals.

[kentuckyskinsfan]

When is the administration going to realize you can not count on Suisham. He alone was the one who changed and ended the momentum during the playoffs against Seattle when the team was riding on emotion from Taylor's death and he shanked the field goal kick back then.

[cphil006]

Suiss stinks. Any good team would of cut him after the Seahawks playoff lost. He cost us the game himself.

The pressure gets to him.

if a kicker can't kick under pressure... he won't ever kick on a championship team.


He needs to leave.

...along with vinny.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

The blame goes around on this one.

[21forlyfe]

once a cowboy, always a cowboy

[StillUnknown]

suisham = origami

[xraycat7055]

Anti-clutch. Just when you think the p.o.s. has turned it around.

It wasn't even "anti-clutch". It's just his job. He's paid to kick a football through the uprights. He didn't do his job. -_-


This thread is ridiculous. Dude hadn't missed all season. He missed a 50 yarder, it happens. The 39 yarder sucks, but you can't even BEGIN to put this loss on him.

He's paid to kick. He's paid to make field goals and XPs. Our offense has been pretty "meh" all year. I think we can put some of this on him.

[Stophovr6]

It wasn't even "anti-clutch". It's just his job. He's paid to kick a football through the uprights. He didn't do his job. -_-



He's paid to kick. He's paid to make field goals and XPs. Our offense has been pretty "meh" all year. I think we can put some of this on him.

How much money is spent on field goal kickers and how much is spent on an offense that can't score?

[Skins110]

As bad as Suisham was, our offense didn't get in the end zone. You can't win games without scoring TDs. The other team will score no matter how well your defense plays.

[harvey57]

Bye Sean........

Mediocre, and I thought this was something we actually did well

[Papabear]

As a lurker and one who never posts yet often reads, I just want to say there are several people who need to be thanked.

Thank you Jim Zorn (this was his call, not Sherm's) for attempting a field goal on 3rd and 1 with 15 seconds remaining in the first half. I realize we were out of timeouts but we are 3-6! There is no reason why we shouldn't take a chance. At worst, throw it it out the back of the endzone. This shows zero confidence in the ofense.

Thank you Sherm Lewis for your lack of confidence in our offense by calling an extra conservative play on 3rd down right before Suisham's missed 50-yarder. Honestly, if we get that first down then I feel like we have a significantly better chance of winning the game.

Thank you Rocky for dropping this easiest inteception in the world.

Finally, thank you Shaun for for missing two very important field goals.


I think that the banged up Redskins played hard today but we just don't have very many TRUE playmakers. By this, I mean guys who don't drop easy interceptions/miss important kiss/etc. and can make clutch plays. The coaching staff is clueless. When you're 3-6 you need to being playing to win and not playing not to lose. It's just a rough year as a fan. Alright, I'm done venting.

He gets it! +1http://www.shinraonline.com/board/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

[RedskinzOwnU]

I am thankful that Suisham nobly sacrificed his perfect kicking record for the greater good of the team. This team is going nowhere this year, so I appreciate his efforts to keep our draft picks as high as possible. Wins will only promote the status quo.

[SKINSFAN87]

What a joke, this guy cost us the game. Cut his ***.

[skinsgirl26]

As bad as Suisham was, our offense didn't get in the end zone. You can't win games without scoring TDs. The other team will score no matter how well your defense plays.

We can when we play the Rams. :silly: :doh:

Suisham most definitely should have made those kicks but it's not his fault we lost. Half our team sucks and the other half is on IR.

[TheItalianStallion]

What throws? None that an average QB couldn't have made. Aaron Rogers and Big ben would love the protection candle gets.

Pull YOUR head out and quit defending a QB that can't score and killed our last drive all by himself.Ben & Rodgers move around in the pocket and hold onto the ball for a long time, meaning that many of their sacks are their own fault rather than their Olines'. Campbell's protection is just as bad, if not worse.

[Boys_n_Blue]

He's an effing choker. DID ANYONE SEE HIM OVER ON THE SIDELINE after the 50yd. miss JUST sipping water like nothing bothered him? We need players who REALLY want to win not just paycheck collectors.

That is exactly why we got rid of him. It is truly THE reason. He is fine as long as it is not a clutch kick. Time and time again he showed that he chokes when the game is on the line. When I saw that y'all had picked him up, I said to myself, "they are going to be sorry". He just keeps doing it. Y'all need to take heed and punt his ass now.

[michiskin]

he always misses when it matters is the problem with him

in no pressure situations he is money

its when the team needs him to make kicks that he sucks

go back to the seattle game and go through all his misses, they are when the game is on the line

The Skins play a lot of tight, low-scoring games. Therefore, every kick for Suisham is a pressure kick. And he really blew it today with that miss at the end of the first half.

It's always something with this group of Busters in Burgandy and Gold.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Ben & Rodgers move around in the pocket and hold onto the ball for a long time, meaning that many of their sacks are their own fault rather than their Olines'. Campbell's protection is just as bad, if not worse.



Do you watch any Green Bay games? I watched him against the Cowboys last week and that is absolutely not true. They were in Rodgers' face a lot more and a lot quicker than anything Campbell faced. Rodgers is just a better QB.

Anyway, on topic, I figure that Swish wants Vinny gone just as bad as any of us. He was trying to snuff out any false hope.

[tone_dubbz]

That is exactly why we got rid of him. It is truly THE reason. He is fine as long as it is not a clutch kick. Time and time again he showed that he chokes when the game is on the line. When I saw that y'all had picked him up, I said to myself, "they are going to be sorry". He just keeps doing it. Y'all need to take heed and punt his ass now.


He's probably still on your payroll, and purposely missed those FGs :mad:

[phatboy41]

Thank you, Suisham, my memories of you unfortunately only retain those of the game that you lent a HUGE hand in helping us lose. I wish you well, on another team!

[HBnotBlades]

I can't blame Suisham too much for his two misses. He should have made the first one, but he was standing on the field waiting to kick for 14 minutes due to some bizarre officiating. It was like the ultimate icing of the kicker and I feel like he would have made it if he went out and kicked in rhythm.

I can never blame a kicker for missing a 50 yarder, the league average is about 40% so we should know we're flipping a coin when we try to kick a long one.

[HailGreen28]

Ben & Rodgers move around in the pocket and hold onto the ball for a long time, meaning that many of their sacks are their own fault rather than their Olines'. Campbell's protection is just as bad, if not worse.I think it's debatable in Roger's case. Agree that Ben takes a lot of sacks himself. Still, Candle doesn't get hit nearly as much as those other guys do. Those other guys that produce for THEIR team.

[Fat Stupid Loser]

This game is on SuiSHAM....100%

:hysterical: The kicker should never have to score all your points. When they have to, they will fail you.

[SkinFaninOKC]

It's not all Suisham's fault, it would have been nice to see the offense get close to the end zone and score at TD. The offense was undermanned yesterday, if Portis, Cooley, Thomas, and Samules were healthy perhaps, maybe, there would have been a different result.

[munchak21]

Please, can someone find this team a new kicker??? I think Morten Anderson is still alive.

[dmorefield2]

This game is on SuiSHAM....100%

Are you ****ing kidding me, While we would have won if he had made one of those kicks our offense is horrible. This loss falls completely on our offense, plain and simple

[SIXX99]

Are you ****ing kidding me, While we would have won if he had made one of those kicks our offense is horrible. This loss falls completely on our offense, plain and simple

Our offense is terrible but we have to play the hand we are dealt. If all we can manage is field goals we have to be able to capitalize and make those field goals.

[TheItalianStallion]

Do you watch any Green Bay games? I watched him against the Cowboys last week and that is absolutely not true. They were in Rodgers' face a lot more and a lot quicker than anything Campbell faced. Rodgers is just a better QB.Yes it is true; he tends to look for a big play rather than throwing the ball away or checking it down, though I don't deny that Rodgers is better than JC.

[TheItalianStallion]

I think it's debatable in Roger's case. Agree that Ben takes a lot of sacks himself. Still, Candle doesn't get hit nearly as much as those other guys do. Those other guys that produce for THEIR team.No argument here that those two are better than JC, but despite poor Oline play, he's played better than half the QBs in the league.

[Redskinscub]

Suisham is no Mark Mosley but he is also no Max Zendahas. He has had a good year despite have several different holders.