OK, why isn't Charlie Sheen being turned into a monster?

[blue collar]

Anyone who's heard the 911 call from his wife know where I'm coming from. She claimed he was holding her up with a knife and was scared for her life. And this is a man who have negative history. Why isn't he getting the Chris Brown and Tiger Woods treatment? Granted, what Chris Brown did was horrible and he is a piece of s**t. I just want to know where's the wall to wall coverage with this case?

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

I agree......it's bs

[mojo]

Tiger Woods and Chris Brown are major celebrities. Charlie Sheen is the guy from the Hanes undershirt commercials.

I think people were more suprised at the antics of the "Sham-Wow" guy than Charlie.

[The Evil Genius]

Anyone who's heard the 911 call from his wife know where I'm coming from. She claimed he was holding her up with a knife and was scared for her life. And this is a man who have negative history. Why isn't he getting the Chris Brown and Tiger Woods treatment? Granted, what Chris Brown did was horrible and he is a piece of s**t. I just want to know where's the wall to wall coverage with this case?

Maybe because the police might think (as well as a few in the media) that the story was made up? Allegedly, she was blitzed when the cops arrived.

Who knows though..

[MattGeorge85]

Interesting, I brought this up the other day with my dad.

We couldn't figure it out either. He certainly comes across as Teflon. Not really sure why.

[StillUnknown]

Tiger Woods and Chris Brown are major celebrities. Charlie Sheen is the guy from the Hanes undershirt commercials.

I think people were more suprised at the antics of the "Sham-Wow" guy than Charlie.

Sheen is one of the, if not the highest paid actors on TV

he's not bigger than tiger, but he's definitely bigger than Chris Brown

[War Paint]

I still think the truth is up in the air. Supposedly he has denied the knife charges. His wife was supposedly very drunk and acting crazy from what I've heard, but I haven't really followed this closely to know what really happened.

[boobiemiles]

I completely understand where you are coming from. It will be interseting to see if Hanes drops him. Honestly what do you expect, other than this thread to get lost in the countless ones that deals with these descrepancies that have a racial over tone?

[Dan T.]

Interesting question. Not sure why.


Tiger Woods and Chris Brown are major celebrities. Charlie Sheen is the guy from the Hanes undershirt commercials.


Disagree. Sheen comes from the biggest Hollywood acting family not named Baldwin, with his dad Martin and his brother Emilio Estevez. He's the star of Two and a Half Men, which has lasted 7 years, a lifetime for a TV sitcom. He's a star.

[War Paint]

I do think that Tiger was considered more of a role model for kids. Charlie Sheen was always considered wild, so I think the public was expecting more from Tiger. It's kind of like a straight A student getting a C, the parents would probably be disappointed. If a D student gets a C, he'll probably be rewarded.

[boobiemiles]

I do think that Tiger was considered more of a role model for kids. Charlie Sheen was always considered wild, so I think the public was expecting more from Tiger. It's kind of like a straight A student getting a C, the parents would probably be disappointed. If a D student gets a C, he'll probably be rewarded.
This is exactly what i mean. It seems that people can rationalize this situation, but "Tiger is a role model for kids bs" makes him a target for the highest degree of scruntiny. What kid you know plays golf? It's a joke. We live in a hypocrasy, and when people try to voice concern they are branded as being racially sensitive. Come on, call it what it is.

[Burgundy Burner]

Disagree. Sheen comes from the biggest Hollywood acting family not named Baldwin, with his dad Martin and his brother Emilio Estevez. He's the star of Two and a Half Men, which has lasted 7 years, a lifetime for a TV sitcom. He's a star.

You're halfway there.

The Sheen/Estevez family is well known and they do generate a lot of success in Hollywood. Here is why Charlie Sheen receives a pass: This acting dynasty is very liberal and supports liberal causes. Hence, the pass.

If it was a conservative in Hollywood, the press would be relentless.

Just stating a fact.

[E-Dog Night]

Yeah, the difference is that we expect Charlie Sheen, based on past experience, to be a total nut job when it comes to relationships. Dude almost married a porn star for chrissake, and was linked in the death of another porn star. He has long been known to be a self indulgent, chemical ingesting playboy.

Tiger was squeaky clean. Was...

[War Paint]

This is exactly what i mean. It seems that people can rationalize this situation, but "Tiger is a role model for kids bs" makes him a target for the highest degree of scruntiny. What kid you know plays golf? It's a joke. We live in a hypocrasy, and when people try to voice concern they are branded as being racially sensitive. Come on, call it what it is.

Yeah, it's just the way it is. Getting the "role model" label just comes with the territory for some famous people,whether they like it or not.

[boobiemiles]

...and yet for all Charlie's fault people felt he was upright enough to be in Hanes Commercial itching to carry Michael Jordan's Hanes Briefs.....come on please stop the nonesense. Why is it ok for one person to be bad, and not the other? Last I checked we are all human. I think Charlie said that in Platoon.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

This is run of the mill behavior from Charlie Sheen...it wasnt for the Tiger or Chris. Why is everything being turned into something about race?

[boobiemiles]

Yeah, it's just the way it is. Getting the "role model" label just comes with the territory for some famous people,whether they like it or not.
We as a society makes people role models. But it seems that one type of role model is judged differently than the other. If you think about it, there are a few African Americans you can classify as role model, each has demons in ther closet. However in regards to Tiger, or Chris Brown (I mean damn Chris Brown!) have lost a lot more than Brad Pitt who cheated on his wife, or Charlie Sheen acting he's Jack the Ripper.

[PokerPacker]

I'm not really surprised to hear this stuff about sheen. Tiger Woods, on the other hand, is not someone you would necessarily expect it from.

[boobiemiles]

This is run of the mill behavior from Charlie Sheen...it wasnt for the Tiger or Chris. Why is everything being turned into something about race?
Because it is always about race.

[E-Dog Night]

...and yet for all Charlie's fault people felt he was upright enough to be in Hanes Commercial itching to carry Michael Jordan's Hanes Briefs.....come on please stop the nonesense. Why is it ok for one person to be bad, and not the other? Last I checked we are all human. I think Charlie said that in Platoon.

It all comes down to the old definition of news:

Dog bites man? Not news. Man bites dog? Now that's news.

Charlie Sheen involved in relationship turmoil of his own making = dog bites man.

Tiger Woods banging countless sluts and hookers while his wife raises the kids = man bites dog.

Tiger started a Learning enter for underprivileged kids. Charlie Sheen has legal problems involving booze, weapons & women every few years.

What sells copies of gossip magazines? Shock. Shock increases hits on websites. The public isn't shocked when Charlie Sheen f**** up for the umpteenth time. When Tiger falls 10,000 feet from his lofty perch in a heartbeat, that sells, because it's shocking.

I'd say that Charlie Sheen isn't being turned into a monster; he was already a monster, and we all knew it. What we didn't know was that Tiger was dipping his noodle in every 6 and 7 he could get his hands on. That's surprising, and the public is understandably more interested in that story.

[SoCalSkins]

Rob Lowe and Sean Penn were made out to be monsters.

Charlie Sheen has a bad reputation to begin with.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Tiger's incident was somewhat of a perfect storm in terms of the way it began and just how quickly it all unraveled. Initial reports were very suspicious, the direction it took was unexpected, the magnitude of his problem was shocking, and it was completely over the top from start to finish. As others have said, Sheen routinely puts himself in these kinds of situations and in this particular case his wife's credibility is slightly less than stellar given her BAC at the time. Repeat offenders aren't going to garner nearly as much attention.


Here is why Charlie Sheen receives a pass: This acting dynasty is very liberal and supports liberal causes. Hence, the pass.

Only you could trot this out into the conversation :doh:

[PokerPacker]

Only you could trot this out into the conversation :doh:

I can think of a number of people off the top of my head, but I'm not gonna name names.

[Bang]

...and yet for all Charlie's fault people felt he was upright enough to be in Hanes Commercial itching to carry Michael Jordan's Hanes Briefs.....come on please stop the nonesense. Why is it ok for one person to be bad, and not the other? Last I checked we are all human. I think Charlie said that in Platoon.
Not everything is the insidious whitey hanging around the corner.
First off, Jordan has had his fair share of controversy too, including questions that have never been totally answered surrounding the very shady murder of his father. Most people thinki it was over his gambling problems.. such a nasty vice, yet he's still one of the most beloved figure in America, and he still makes commercials. People have gone out of their way to preserve Jordan's image.
As pointed out, Sheen has always been known as a wild guy who isn't afraid to play in the shadows. He's been linked to all sorts of things, prostitutes, mostly.

Fact: Sex sells. And there's no race involved in that. The fact that Tiger Woods is at the center of such a juicy sex-based scandal with a ton of incredibly beautiful women is perfect tabloid fodder, and also factor in he's one of the most recognizable and famous people on the entire planet, not just here in the US.
That is why his story is all over the tabloids. That's why he's losing sponsors. He held a higher image, and so has a further fall from grace. Nevermind it's such a tawdry story.
Tiger is definitely held up as a role model. To pretend he's not is completely ignorant, or totally naive,, I'm not sure which. Golf as a sport has enjoyed a huge new popularity as a direct result of Tiger Woods, and the fact that his father taught him makes it a very role-model like story for a lot of people who love golf, and want their kids to love golf. It's impossible to ignore that unless you do it purposely. (also interesting is how I've never heard you remark on his across-the-board success and being beloved by people of all races all over the world in a sport that has long been held up as an elitist activity which still has "whites only" clubs, etc. ..but complain when his own actions cause his downfall. Whitey just loves to tear a brother down, but the fact he's been held up as one of the most famous and respected people on the planet just gets shuffled under the bed.)
Charlie Sheen on the other hand is an actor who got his shot because of his father's name, not his teaching or dedication. No one holds actors up as role models, not like they do athletes. Most people view actors as shallow fools insulated from the real world (especially when they speak their mind on anything or throw their name in as activists.. How many people do you know who respect Madonna for adopting African kids? Most people think she and Angelina Jolie, and all the others who have done this are doing it for publicity. Whether they are or not isn't the point, the fact is because they're entertainers, that is what people assume, because deep down they really don't have much respect for them as people.) Fact is Charlie Sheen was the star of TWO Best Picture Oscar winning movies in the 80s (Wall Street and Platoon), and as soon as his name showed up in Heidi Fleiss' little hooker book, he immediately got shoved right out the door, and has never been offered a single serious film role since. After being shot down the Q list of Hollywood he settled for TV almost 20 years later.)
Sheen has been in the news since Christmas, so it's not like anyone's ignored it. It may very well be he loses Hanes next week. Even his role in those commercials is that of an irresponsible spoiled rich boy, as opposed to Tiger, who's role in commercials is to be the consummate professional dedicated to perfection. You know, driving golf balls in slow motion in the pouring rain, hydrating with Gatorade after another intense round..even his most frivolous commercial was about how intently he chooses deodorant in the store.. complete with announcers falling all over themselves in awe of his perfection in making the choice.

And of course, I will be told in so many words that I'm crazy, that racism still exists, blah blah bah. Another easy whitewash job, simply blame race, and you don't even have to think beyond that.
And I'm saying even though it does still exist, that it is NOT the factor behind everything, and certainly not the factor behind Woods. Unless of course you want to completely ignore the persona he's built up and how much different it is of the persona Charlie Sheen has built.
Fact is, Sheen may end up in jail, which will likely cost him his sponsors and very successful TV show. (in which he plays a shallow playboy,, big surprise.)

~Bang

[Burgold]

I think this is a completely fair complaint as far as the court of public opinion goes.

[TheDoyler23]

Not everything is the insidious whitey hanging around the corner.
First off, Jordan has had his fair share of controversy too, including questions that have never been totally answered surrounding the very shady murder of his father. Most people thinki it was over his gambling problems.. such a nasty vice, yet he's still one of the most beloved figure in America, and he still makes commercials. People have gone out of their way to preserve Jordan's image.


I hate conspiracy theories, but Jordan's gambling thing and the *Wink Wink* retirement to play baseball is one I believe.

As for Sheen; his situation doesn't have the Q rating. Tiger's celebrity is in the top 1% of celebrities. Chris Brown and Rihanna were seen as a power couple.

Charlie Sheen? Who cares besides fans of a lousy tv show? He's been visiting hookers and getting into dumbass fights for years.

[OU_skins]

Sheen is one of the, if not the highest paid actors on TV

he's not bigger than tiger, but he's definitely bigger than Chris Brown

I don't know about that. Chris Brown probably isn't a big deal to you but he is to millions and millions of teenage girls. Add that to the fact that he did that to Rihanna who is also a major superstar, what he did is obviously gonna get more attention than Sheen.

[Switchgear]

Because it is always about race.

Translation: I always make it about race.

[Mooney]

Carlos Irwin Estevez is Hispanic.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Translation: I always make it about race.

ding ding ding. Winner.

Claim your prize - :1stplace:

[Vicious]

Everyone knows Charlie Sheen is a weirdo, no one knew Chris Brown and Tigers Woods were.

Charlie Sheen didn't pretend his **** didn't stink either. Chris Brown and Tiger Woods did.

[Mickalino]

Tiger Woods and Chris Brown are major celebrities. Charlie Sheen is the guy from the Hanes undershirt commercials.

Really ?

You actually think the underwear commercial was his most notorious acting accomplishment ?

[Enter Apotheosis]

I can think of a number of people off the top of my head, but I'm not gonna name names.

You're probably right :doh:

[Chachie]

His worst crime is being an absolutely miserable actor who phones in every episode of his baaaaad sitcom. He harms the comic sensibilities of millions every week which is far worse than scaring his star-"F"ing, gold-digging wife with a kitchen implement. :)

[jnhay]

How come white people are never criticized?

[Destino]

I think it's because everyone already knew Charlie Sheen was a PoS.

[Mickalino]

Ok, so for everyone who believes a TV commercial and/or a sitcom is the only major acting Sheen has done -
Here's the 64 or so movies he's acted in, including 2 movies that he was the Executive Producer and Writer, along with 5 Awards he won, and 16 Awards he was nominated for :

I'm not defending his off-the-job antics, just sayin he aint the rookie actor everyone seems to make him out to be. He's got quite a resume.

1989 Won Bronze Wrangler Award Theatrical Motion Picture Young Guns
1994 Awarded Star on the Walk of Fame Motion Picture Star
1999 Nominated Screen Actors Guild Awards Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Theatrical Motion Picture Being John Malkovich (1999)
1999 Nominated Online Film Critics Society for Best Cast
2001 Nominated ALMA Award Outstanding Actor in a Television Series
2002 Nominated ALMA Award Outstanding Actor in a Television Series
2002 Won Golden Globe Award for Best Actor
2002 Nominated Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards Favorite Television Actor
2005 Nominated Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance
2005 Golden Globe Award for Best Actor –
2006 Won Golden Icon Award Best Actor
2006 Nominated Primetime Emmy Awards Outstanding Lead Actor
2006 Nominated Golden Globe Award for Best Actor
2007 Nominated People's Choice Awards Favorite Male TV Star
2007 Nominated Teen Choice Award Choice TV Actor: Comedy
2007 Nominated Primetime Emmy Awards Outstanding Lead Actor
2008 Nominated People's Choice Awards Favorite Male TV Star
2008 Nominated Teen Choice Award Choice TV Actor: Comedy
2008 Nominated Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actor
2008 Won ALMA Award Outstanding Actor in a Comedy Television Series
2010 Nominated Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance

Acting :

The Execution of Private Slovik
Apocalypse Now
Red Dawn
Silence of the Heart
The Fourth Wise Man
Out of the Darkness
The Boys Next Door
Lucas
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
The Wraith
Platoon
Wisdom
Wall Street
No Man's Land
Three for the Road
Grizzly II: The Predator Concert
Never on Tuesday
Eight Men Out
Young Guns
Tale of Two Sisters
Major League
Catchfire
Cadence n
Courage Mountain
Men at Work
Navy SEALs
The Rookie
Hot Shots!
Beyond the Law
Oliver Stone: Inside Out
National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1
Deadfall
Hot Shots! Part Deux
The Three Musketeers
Charlie Sheen's Stunt Spectacular
Terminal Velocity
The Chase
Major League II
Loose Women
Frame by Frame
All Dogs Go to Heaven 2
The Arrival
Money Talks
Shadow Conspiracy
Bad Day on the Block
Postmortem
A Letter from Death Row
No Code of Conduct
Free Money
Junket Whore
Lisa Picard is Famous
Five Aces
Being John Malkovich
Rated X
Good Advice
Last Party 2000
The Making of Bret Michaels
Pauly Shore Is Dead
Scary Movie 3
The Big Bounce
3 & 3: The Guilty Hearts
Scary Movie 4
Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps
Foodfight!

[jnhay]

Who thinks he's a rookie actor?

[Mickalino]

Who thinks he's a rookie actor?

Based on several quotes, some people are at least acting like it, if not, actually believing it.

It's hard to tell which is the case.

[twa]

I think this is a completely fair complaint as far as the court of public opinion goes.

Wait, ain't you part of that liberal media?

Well of course you do:silly:

I've always considered Sheen to be akin to something on the bottom of my shoe,Tiger is still above him on my scale.

[Predicto]

You're halfway there.

The Sheen/Estevez family is well known and they do generate a lot of success in Hollywood. Here is why Charlie Sheen receives a pass: This acting dynasty is very liberal and supports liberal causes. Hence, the pass.

If it was a conservative in Hollywood, the press would be relentless.

Just stating a fact.

That's not a fact, that's a paranoid right wing fantasy. :D

The reason Charlie Sheen isn't getting attention now is because Charlie Sheen has been a screw up his whole life, and no one is at all surprised when he screws up again.

Tiger Woods is 100 times the star that Sheen is, and also was Mr. Squeaky Clean Image. Of course the media went nuts.

And Chris Brown on his own wouldn't have been a big deal - but Chris Brown whacking on Rhianna, another big music star - that's a 2fer, and automatically becomes a big deal. Kind of like Alex Baldwin and Kim Basinger.

[ST is my boy]

This is why. Rihanna is huge as well and she was the one who got beat up.

If there was a 911 call about Charlie Sheen threatening to cut Eva Mendes's throat......it probably would have been a little bigger.

Just please tell me your not implying that its because hes white.

[Ryman of the North]

Bang got it right, FFS its not about race. Its about people , people love when someone who comes off as perfect is found to be less than perfect. Nobody freaked out when Charles Barkley got caught trying to get a hummer but when Hugh Grant was it was all anyone could talk about, why? because Hugh is a prissy englishman who was married to an uber hot woman and Charles is a known wildman who played in the NBA (who pretty much everyone knows have groupies). not because one is black and the other was white.

Tiger was always marketed as the perfect person and as someone to be looked up to not just for golf but for the way he pretended to be, now we know he likes the strange tang. this fascinates people.

[Predicto]

Plus if it was about race, we wouldn't have had to hear about those idiots Jon and Kate Gosselin and their stupid problems all freaking summer.

[Dan T.]

Not everything is the insidious whitey hanging around the corner.
First off, Jordan has had his fair share of controversy too, including questions that have never been totally answered surrounding the very shady murder of his father. Most people thinki it was over his gambling problems..

~Bang

Bang, I've got to respond to this part of your post. When the murder of Jordan's father first happened, there was wild speculation that it might have been related to Jordan's gambling.

That proved to be totally NOT the case. So there are no lingering questions about a "shady" murder. Two young thugs wanted to steal a car, came upon James Jordan sleeping in his car at a rest stop, so they shot him and stole the car.

Those who still speculate about his murder are ignorant of the facts.

[BG]

Cocain is a helluva drug

[Dan T.]

As a counter to the question of whether it's race related, I'm trying to think of a hypothetical white sports personality of Tiger Woods' equal for comparison.

It's a bit dated, but imagine if Cal Ripken found himself in the same situation. I think the ****storm would be just about as intense as it has been for Tiger. I really don't think race is much of a factor here. Hell, it's easy to forget that Tiger is even black.

[Mickalino]

Bang, I've got to respond to this part of your post. When the murder of Jordan's father first happened, there was wild speculation that it might have been related to Jordan's gambling.

That proved to be totally NOT the case. So there are no lingering questions about a "shady" murder. Two young thugs wanted to steal a car, came upon James Jordan sleeping in his car at a rest stop, so they shot him and stole the car.

Those who still speculate about his murder are ignorant of the facts.

I'm curious, why would the father of a million dollar basketball player need to be sleeping in a car ?

[twa]

and blue:hysterical:

[Chachie]

Who thinks he's a rookie actor?


Based on several quotes, some people are at least acting like it, if not, actually believing it.

It's hard to tell which is the case.



I don't know where your getting this from, Mick. A few of us said he's a terrible actor. Here's my beef with him though- he could have been amazing. He had the pedigree, the presence, and the talent. He completely stopped practicing his craft after Wall Street and Platoon. I don't mean he stopped working. I mean he became a hack, taking work on his fame. He stopped trying. It's painfully obvious every week on that show that he thinks it's beneath him and yet that very notion makes him worse than all the other members of the cast, despite his past achievements.

[Dan T.]

I'm curious, why would the father of a million dollar basketball player need to be sleeping in a car ?

If I remember correctly he was on a long road trip. It was presumed he got tired so pulled over at a rest area to sleep.

[War Paint]

Better yet, think if Peyton or Eli was caught nailing hookers or if one of them beat their wife to a pulp. That would be huge news.

[Thiebear]

with the one (she was beat the hell up) and it was real.
With the other one (he was beat the hell up) and it was real.

with Charlie Sheen: its hesaid/shesaid and hersaid is thought to be drunken lies.
(it maynot be real)... Prosecutors may go after Charlie Sheen even without wife's help

thats what i have so far from whitey central.

And if your going to get in trouble, do it when 30% of the people are not at work to talk about it ;)

[Chachie]

Tiger Woods +bad news = $$,$$$,$$$.$$

Charlie Sheen + bad news = $.$$

[WALEOVECHKIN]

Except for oh I don't know, the fact that his wife admitted she made it up:

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... Brooke Mueller was legally drunk when she called 911 on Charlie Sheen ... and, we've learned, Brooke has fessed up that her allegation was phony.

Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller
Sources say authorities gave both Charlie and Brooke blood alcohol tests. Brooke registered a .13 while Charlie registered a .04. By the way, the 911 call came in at 8:34 AM on Christmas day.

We're also told Brooke recanted her story to a female officer just before the bail hearing, telling the cop she was drunk when she made the 911 call. Nevertheless, law enforcement sources say police will still pursue the case -- at least for now.

[Dan T.]

...

thats what i have so far from whitey central.


I laughed. Out loud.

[Thiebear]

Mueller's lawyer said he was specifically hired to make sure prosecutors don't "overreact" and charge Mueller with lying to police during later questioning after her husband's arrest.

Galanter told the site that Mueller, like many women in similar circumstances, played down her story to a female officer hours after her 911 call, but added she did not recant her statement.


She hired OJ's lawyer so SHE didnt get into trouble is the latest?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/30/brooke.mueller.sheen/index.html?section=cnn_latest


Tiger Woods +bad news = $$,$$$,$$$.$$
Charlie Sheen + bad news = $.$$

Charlie Sheen is the highest paid actor on TV, pocketing a whopping $825,000 per episode for his hit comedy Two And A Half Men, according to a new poll. The star’s huge earnings include profits for ownership rights of the program. 23 episodes a year.. not chump change.

[Mooka]

Chris Brown involved Rihanna. It would be hardly such big news if he had beaten an unknown women. Like this current story would be huge if it was Denise Richards.

Tiger had a squeaky clean image.


Charlie Sheen has a history of drugs, strippers, porn stars, and whatever the hell else. No one really cares.

[Gracelander]

Chris Brown = Scum
Tiger Woods = Scum
Charlie Sheen = Scum
OJ Simpson = Scum
Robert Blake = Scum
Roman Polansky = Scum
Bobby Brown = Scum
Tom Sizemore = Scum
The list goes on and on...


There is no Rooney rule in being an A-Hole.. either you are or you aren't.

[DRSmith]

How come white people are never criticized?


No it is only liberal whites that are not and that is because they pay their dues and are protected, and for this one time only I am offering you and any others the chance to be protected like liberal whitey. But you better act fast as in this not only will you get saved from bad pr but since I will be on the death panels that come with healthcare I can make sure you will get real medicine and not just sugar pills :D

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Yeah, it's not fair that black people like Eliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford, and Bill Clinton get talked about so much for their indiscretions!!

When are we going to see this standard applied to white people?!

[Bang]

Yeah, it's not fair that black people like Eliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford, and Bill Clinton get talked about so much for their indiscretions!!

When are we going to see this standard applied to white people?!

:hysterical:

excellent

~Bang

[Chachie]

Charlie Sheen is the highest paid actor on TV, pocketing a whopping $825,000 per episode for his hit comedy Two And A Half Men, according to a new poll. The star’s huge earnings include profits for ownership rights of the program. 23 episodes a year.. not chump change.



I was referring to tabloid profit, not network smudge.

[Jumbo]

How come white people are never criticized?


I can't be everywhere.

[Burgundy Burner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27apfmh5Qw0

[techboy]

I can't be everywhere.

I see the therapy is finally starting to work. Keep it up, those God complexes are hard to shake. :)

[Mickalino]

How come white people are never criticized?

Maybe we could discuss that in another thread, considering that Charlie Sheen is actually Hispanic.

[jnhay]

Maybe we could discuss that in another thread, considering that Charlie Sheen is actually Hispanic.

He has white skin though.

[ardowling]

He has white skin though.
You sir, are a dumbass. Happy New Year!

[Mickalino]

He has white skin though.

White skin, like Derek Jeter ?

[jnhay]

You sir, are a dumbass. Happy New Year!

Please. I'm more hispanic than he is, and I just say I'm white. Why? Because that's what I'm labeled as being. It's not important, it's just a label.

[ardowling]

Please. I'm more hispanic than he is, and I just say I'm white. Why? Because that's what I'm labeled as being. It's not important, it's just a label.
No its a label you accept, I am more than 1/2 Native American but I don't bring it up, why? Because I am an American first and foremost and I don't let anyone put labels me

[Dan T.]

No its a label you accept, I am more than 1/2 Native American but I don't bring it up, why? Because I am an American first and foremost and I don't let anyone put labels me

Well lah-dee-freaking-dah for you.

[Mickalino]

Well listen up, every one of you fellas.
I am Italian-American, and don't you forget it pal !!

[Ryman of the North]

LOL

Ok so I thought about an athletic example that would be on par with Tigers getting busted.

Pete rose.

Tiger is at the moment the biggest "star" in Golf, he was marketed as a family values type and a professionals professional.

Pete at the time was regarded as MR baseball, was marketed as an ethical professionals professional.

when Pete got busted gambling it was the only thing in the news for weeks.

nuff said.

[jnhay]

No its a label you accept, I am more than 1/2 Native American but I don't bring it up, why? Because I am an American first and foremost and I don't let anyone put labels me

That's not the point. People look at Charlie Sheen and see a white guy. Racists would act accordingly. That's all I'm saying.

[Hubbs]

Sheen is one of the, if not the highest paid actors on TV

he's not bigger than tiger, but he's definitely bigger than Chris Brown

...but Rihanna is bigger than either of them, and she's the one Chris Brown beat up.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

...but Rihanna is bigger than either of them, and she's the one Chris Brown beat up.

I don't know. My mom knows Charlie Sheen. She thinks Rihanna is an old Fleetwood Mac song.

I would say that Rihanna's Q rating with people above 30 is very low. And those that do know her, know her as the girl that got beat up by her boyfriend.

Charlie Sheen is someone everyone knows.

And the reason Sheen's commercial is still on? He's white.

[Peeping Wizard]

Tiger Woods and Chris Brown are major celebrities. Charlie Sheen is the guy from the Hanes undershirt commercials.

I think people were more suprised at the antics of the "Sham-Wow" guy than Charlie.

Bingo.

[addicted]

Because the media has it's favorites and Sheen is well liked by someone high up in the media food chain. They only tell us what they want us to know and this one's being ignored. Sucks but at least you know

[mcsluggo]

bla bla blablablaabla bla...

Just stating a fact.

do you know the meaning of the word....?

[mcsluggo]

Hmmmm..... yoda says: strong the stupidity in this thread is...

[Thiebear]

And the reason Sheen's commercial is still on? He's white.

So your saying the only reason Charlie (Carlos Irwin Estévez (born September 3, 1965) gets to keep his wifebeater tshirt commercial is because he's white?

Can you name someone that is less "white" than Charlie that lost their sponsorship of say cigs in a sleeve or car in the yard, for something equal to this?

[Kosher Ham]

Whoop that trick...

Go Charlie!!!

:doh:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Can you name someone that is less "white" than Charlie that lost their sponsorship of say cigs in a sleeve or car in the yard, for something equal to this?

Equal? This is a man with a history of violence towards women who was accused of threatening to kill his wife. And he is in a commercial with Michael Goddamn Jordan, of all people.

Just a hint: If Jordan is hawking your product, it's a big-time product.

[Bang]

And the reason Sheen's commercial is still on? He's white.

Could be that it's Jordan's commercial, too. After all, he is the Hanes spokesman, not a supporting character in the commercial. And he does carry considerable weight.

~Bang

[Thiebear]

Equal? This is a man with a history of violence towards women who was accused of threatening to kill his wife. And he is in a commercial with Michael Jordan, of all people.
Just a hint: If Jordan is hawking your product, it's a big-time product.


Wait, this man has a HISTORY of violence towards women.
then why would it be big news if he allegedly did it again?
And Jordon disses him on his Korean BBQ all racist like?

(you like that, what an easy card to play it is...)

Ohh, and way to partially quote what i thought was well thought out funny response....

[#98QBKiller]

Yeah, it's not fair that black people like Eliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford, and Bill Clinton get talked about so much for their indiscretions!!

When are we going to see this standard applied to white people?!

:laugh:

[jnhay]

Let's boycott his show! Seriously. Why would anyone watch it anyway?

He gets way too much respect considering everything he's done.

[Thiebear]

Let's boycott his show! Seriously. Why would anyone watch it anyway? He gets way too much respect considering everything he's done.

I'm guessing you don't watch his show to begin with?
I'm not getting where your putting any real effort into this.
Can you show where he's actually done something?

[Major Harris]

race thread is to lkb what http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/apple.media/thumb/250/250/iamthenight-Batman-Bat-Signal-CEL.jpg is to bat-man.

[boobiemiles]

I haven't heard Hanes say they will disassociate themselves based on allegation against Charlie Sheen yet. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Charlie is on TV every week. The media is barely covering this story. This society is crazy. We glorify shows that are about adultry like Desperate House Wives, Sex in the City, Californication, etc. Tiger cheated on his wife, Charlie beat and put a knife to his wife. How is Tiger actions worst than Charlie's? And they are not, why is Tiger offense seen as paramount, and Charlie threatening a life as trivial?

[boobiemiles]

It all comes down to the old definition of news:

Dog bites man? Not news. Man bites dog? Now that's news.

Charlie Sheen involved in relationship turmoil of his own making = dog bites man.

Tiger Woods banging countless sluts and hookers while his wife raises the kids = man bites dog.

Tiger started a Learning enter for underprivileged kids. Charlie Sheen has legal problems involving booze, weapons & women every few years.

What sells copies of gossip magazines? Shock. Shock increases hits on websites. The public isn't shocked when Charlie Sheen f**** up for the umpteenth time. When Tiger falls 10,000 feet from his lofty perch in a heartbeat, that sells, because it's shocking.

I'd say that Charlie Sheen isn't being turned into a monster; he was already a monster, and we all knew it. What we didn't know was that Tiger was dipping his noodle in every 6 and 7 he could get his hands on. That's surprising, and the public is understandably more interested in that story.

Then why is he in a position to market products? Why isn't this society as appalled by Charlie as they are with Tiger? Charlie is a spokes person for Hanes, and is in the national spotlight. Society has not rejected him for his actions like they did Tiger. And yeah, I like how you watered down the fact Charlie threaten his wife with a knife. And are we over embelishing the amount of women Tiger was with in the 1st place. That makes you guys feel better huh?

[boobiemiles]

We don't even know what Tiger really did, but we condemned him anyway. I know that feeling.

[Kosher Ham]

We don't even know what Tiger really did, but we condemned him anyway. I know that feeling.

He pretty much admitted his issues. Him hiding away does not change that.

It's not about race at all. It's about consistency, shock and awe.

[boobiemiles]

Not everything is the insidious whitey hanging around the corner.
First off, Jordan has had his fair share of controversy too, including questions that have never been totally answered surrounding the very shady murder of his father. Most people thinki it was over his gambling problems.. such a nasty vice, yet he's still one of the most beloved figure in America, and he still makes commercials. People have gone out of their way to preserve Jordan's image.
As pointed out, Sheen has always been known as a wild guy who isn't afraid to play in the shadows. He's been linked to all sorts of things, prostitutes, mostly.

Fact: Sex sells. And there's no race involved in that. The fact that Tiger Woods is at the center of such a juicy sex-based scandal with a ton of incredibly beautiful women is perfect tabloid fodder, and also factor in he's one of the most recognizable and famous people on the entire planet, not just here in the US.
That is why his story is all over the tabloids. That's why he's losing sponsors. He held a higher image, and so has a further fall from grace. Nevermind it's such a tawdry story.
Tiger is definitely held up as a role model. To pretend he's not is completely ignorant, or totally naive,, I'm not sure which. Golf as a sport has enjoyed a huge new popularity as a direct result of Tiger Woods, and the fact that his father taught him makes it a very role-model like story for a lot of people who love golf, and want their kids to love golf. It's impossible to ignore that unless you do it purposely. (also interesting is how I've never heard you remark on his across-the-board success and being beloved by people of all races all over the world in a sport that has long been held up as an elitist activity which still has "whites only" clubs, etc. ..but complain when his own actions cause his downfall. Whitey just loves to tear a brother down, but the fact he's been held up as one of the most famous and respected people on the planet just gets shuffled under the bed.)
Charlie Sheen on the other hand is an actor who got his shot because of his father's name, not his teaching or dedication. No one holds actors up as role models, not like they do athletes. Most people view actors as shallow fools insulated from the real world (especially when they speak their mind on anything or throw their name in as activists.. How many people do you know who respect Madonna for adopting African kids? Most people think she and Angelina Jolie, and all the others who have done this are doing it for publicity. Whether they are or not isn't the point, the fact is because they're entertainers, that is what people assume, because deep down they really don't have much respect for them as people.) Fact is Charlie Sheen was the star of TWO Best Picture Oscar winning movies in the 80s (Wall Street and Platoon), and as soon as his name showed up in Heidi Fleiss' little hooker book, he immediately got shoved right out the door, and has never been offered a single serious film role since. After being shot down the Q list of Hollywood he settled for TV almost 20 years later.)
Sheen has been in the news since Christmas, so it's not like anyone's ignored it. It may very well be he loses Hanes next week. Even his role in those commercials is that of an irresponsible spoiled rich boy, as opposed to Tiger, who's role in commercials is to be the consummate professional dedicated to perfection. You know, driving golf balls in slow motion in the pouring rain, hydrating with Gatorade after another intense round..even his most frivolous commercial was about how intently he chooses deodorant in the store.. complete with announcers falling all over themselves in awe of his perfection in making the choice.

And of course, I will be told in so many words that I'm crazy, that racism still exists, blah blah bah. Another easy whitewash job, simply blame race, and you don't even have to think beyond that.
And I'm saying even though it does still exist, that it is NOT the factor behind everything, and certainly not the factor behind Woods. Unless of course you want to completely ignore the persona he's built up and how much different it is of the persona Charlie Sheen has built.
Fact is, Sheen may end up in jail, which will likely cost him his sponsors and very successful TV show. (in which he plays a shallow playboy,, big surprise.)

~Bang
If these thoughts make you sleep better so be it. It is long winded and still does not answer the question.

[Kosher Ham]

If these thoughts make you sleep better so be it. It is long winded and still does not answer the question.

After all of that, that was your best response ?

How many people look up to Charlie in comparison to Tiger ? I am not saying it's right, but it is real.

Tiger messed up, Charlie was just being Charlie. There is a big difference.

[boobiemiles]

Translation: I always make it about race.

Our society put Tiger on a pedestal. I mean the reason we are so astonished by Tiger is he's a black man excelling in a white person's sport initially. To think there isn't some underlying resentment for him doing so is naive. Race is part of the foundation of this country.

[Kosher Ham]

Our society put Tiger on a pedestal. I mean the reason we are so astonished by Tiger is he's a black man excelling in a white person's sport initially. To think there isn't some underlying resentment for him doing so is naive. Race is part of the foundation of this country.

It had nothing to do with him being black or bi-racial.

The guy is simply that damn good.

Are you seriously trying to make this point real ?

There is no sport that has a racial bound.

[boobiemiles]

After all of that, that was your best response ?

How many people look up to Charlie in comparison to Tiger ? I am not saying it's right, but it is real.

Tiger messed up, Charlie was just being Charlie. There is a big difference.

Why is Charlie's action acceptable, and Tiger's isn't? I mean isn't it about principle. So if Charlie stabbed his wife it's ok. I can expect him to be in the next Hanes commercial asking for Jordan's boxers? By the way, who saw Tiger as a role model? Tiger isn't a role model now because he cheated on his wife? But Charlie Sheen still has a platform to be a role model without retribution? Does anyone remember John Wayne?

As fopr the post, to think our society see athletes are profound enlightened individuals compared to movie stars is garbage. I am speaking about that long winded bs post trying to convince me this isn,t what it is.

[boobiemiles]

The list is endless. We condemned Kobe Bryant for allegations of rape, but Ben Rothlesberger gets a slap on the wrisk for the same allegations.

[Kosher Ham]

No one is condoning Charlie's actions or even applauding him.

Difference in stardom between the two is night and day though. Thus the reason for bigger news story.

If it was Jack Nicholson vs. Queen Latifah...Nicholson would get the headlines more in this scenario. It's not about race, it's about star power.

[Kosher Ham]

The list is endless. We condemned Kobe Bryant for allegations of rape, but Ben Rothlesberger gets a slap on the wrisk for the same allegations.

Yet Kobe leads the NBA with All-Star voting this year.

Big Ben was/is still a question mark and had dirt on him already. All Kobe had was being a brat and not wanting to share the spotlight with Shaq.

You are really reaching.

[boobiemiles]

Yet Kobe leads the NBA with All-Star voting this year.

Big Ben was/is still a question mark and had dirt on him already. All Kobe had was being a brat and not wanting to share the spotlight with Shaq.

You are really reaching.
I am speaking in the mind of public opinion. Kobe was condemned for these allegations. The media jumped all over the story. Rothlisberger's story was only covered by ESPN. I understand what you are saying about star power, and it keeps coming back to what our socuety wants. The news is business, and people will pay to read or watch what they want. For some reasons the stories our socuety wants to hear is athletes getting in troubles, but not all athletes. What question marks did Roth have before the rape charge.....riding a Harley into an old ladies car?

[Forehead]

So if Charlie stabbed his wife it's ok.

I guess you missed the part where his wife admitted she made it up? Or did you ignore it because it doesn't help you with the mini-crusade you're on in this thread?

[Thiebear]

So Boobiemiles:

What is charlie Sheens role in this commercial he is in.

he tries to talk to Jordan that doesn't want to talk to him.
he knocks things down and crashes and creates a mess with everything he does.

Sounds to me like its a great fit compared to his real life?


Can you show me a commercial he's in where they don't make him out to be an idiot?

And again: hes offering Korean BBQ (We all know this as the White mans goto food in Maryland?). ;)


Seems to me you really didn't think this one through.
1. he's not white = please remove the race card, unless your going solely on your perception of him which makes YOU the racist.
2. All of the facts aren't in so lets not persecute so fast.
3. What is the difference between being portrayed as an idiot in the commercial vs. idiot in real life?

[Bang]

I haven't heard Hanes say they will disassociate themselves based on allegation against Charlie Sheen yet. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Charlie is on TV every week. The media is barely covering this story. This society is crazy. We glorify shows that are about adultry like Desperate House Wives, Sex in the City, Californication, etc. Tiger cheated on his wife, Charlie beat and put a knife to his wife. How is Tiger actions worst than Charlie's? And they are not, why is Tiger offense seen as paramount, and Charlie threatening a life as trivial?

What more would you like them to cover? They covered his arrest, they covered his jailing, we've all been told about all of his past indiscretions a few times, and we've also been told of his wife's drunkenness on the night of gthe arrest, and we've been told about her recanting her story.
Is there some other info they haven't told us about?
Tiger had a new mistress falling out of the tree every day, which kept adding to the story. You know, NEW information, new people involved to investigate and report on. The Sheen case involves two people, and e've been told everything about it, including dragging Sheen around the mud.

What would you like to see in the news today that would add to the Charlie Sheen story?
Don't you realize thyat as far as news goes, they're two different things? One was fiite.. one event that led to an arrest, and then we got to be reminded of all of his past problems again.
The other had new information every day for two weeks.

No one is saying Tiger's is worse, but you have to be able to realize the differences in the stories.
As far as Hanes dropping him, as I said befoee, Michael Jordan is Hanes spokesman. Charlie Sheen made two commercials. Cuba Gooding made a couple of Hanes commercials with Jordan too, but he hasn't for a few years now. Jordan keeps making them, and Hanes never bothered to announce that Cuba Gooding would not be involved anymore.
Know why?
Because he's NOT the spokesman. And neither is Sheen.
Now if Hanes puts out any more commercials with Charlie Sheen you can *****, but until then, how about thinking a little bit?

~Bang

[redskins55]

The media picks and chooses who they keep on the top story.

Bill Clinton
Tiger Woods
Sarah Palin
Chris Brown

They all were top stories at the right season. If Tiger Woods had run his SUV into a tree a month later during the holiday there would've been far less coverage of it. I didn't hear about the attempted terror attacks until two days after it happened because Christmas occupied my time. It's wrong and biased which is why I get my news from the internet.

[Major Harris]

The list is endless. We condemned Kobe Bryant for allegations of rape, but Ben Rothlesberger gets a slap on the wrisk for the same allegations.
wow. just wow.

did you stop paying attention to the big ben story after it broke? the woman was a nut bag.

and as noted, kobe is the leading vote getter. get real dude.

[Xameil]

LOL

Ok so I thought about an athletic example that would be on par with Tigers getting busted.

Pete rose.

Tiger is at the moment the biggest "star" in Golf, he was marketed as a family values type and a professionals professional.

Pete at the time was regarded as MR baseball, was marketed as an ethical professionals professional.

when Pete got busted gambling it was the only thing in the news for weeks.

nuff said.

you are comparing gambling to sleeping with anything with 2 legs? wow...

oh and did you see the awesome Pete Rose exhibit in the baseball Hall of Fame? I mean Mr. Baseball should be in it right...especially since his gambling incident has been swept under the rug and all...

[Bang]

If these thoughts make you sleep better so be it. It is long winded and still does not answer the question.
I think "long winded" means "I get confused if I have to read more than a few sentences".

You're no different than the people who took 100 years to see that people of all races are the same. You're no different than the remaining racists who still believe they're not.
You want to see who helps keep these problems alive? Go look in the mirror.
I honestly wonder if you truly believe the idiocy of your narrow minded ignorance, or if you're just too stupid to understand what is being said.

Here, this assessment should be short enough for you to get:
Wallow in your racism. It's obvious nothing can change it at all. The world is leaving you behind.

~Bang

[Xameil]

We don't even know what Tiger really did, but we condemned him anyway. I know that feeling.

Tiger admitted he did it....Charlies wife admitted she lied about what Charlie did.


so in that respect you are associating more with Charlie then Tiger....being condemned by something you didn't do...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

wow. just wow.

did you stop paying attention to the big ben story after it broke? the woman was a nut bag.

and as noted, kobe is the leading vote getter. get real dude.

And Kobe's accusor had see from half the men in Colorado in her panties.

The way ESPN handled the Roethlisberger story is a disgrace. A total disgrace.

[Thiebear]

And Kobe's accusor had see from half the men in Colorado in her panties.
The way ESPN handled the Roethlisberger story is a disgrace. A total disgrace.

ESPN? the only network on TV that has a stake in how he does? Sure.
Same with the Golf Channel showing Tiger in every tournament since he was 12 now.

[Duncan]

Because it is always about race.

It is when you are a racist.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It is when you are a racist.

Or an American.

Seriously, every issue in America always has a racial undertone. Always.

[jnhay]

Or an American.

Seriously, every issue in America always has a racial undertone. Always.

You're exaggerating.

[jnhay]

I'm guessing you don't watch his show to begin with?
I'm not getting where your putting any real effort into this.
Can you show where he's actually done something?

Exactly. It was a joke.

But, you can look at his record and see what he's done. This isn't an isolated incident. He gets too much respect, but I don't think it's because he's white (yes, he is white despite his last name).


We don't even know what Tiger really did, but we condemned him anyway. I know that feeling.
Yeah, that voice mail really made me a Tiger supporter!

[SkinzFoLife]

1.) Photo of Rihanna was leaked which really shocked everyone.
2.) Tiger for some reason has a squeaky clean persona, so people couldn't wait to bring him down.

Charilie Sheen is Charlie Sheen, so perhaps it surprised no one and thats why it wasn't major news or perhaps all the facts and/or evidence hasn't come out yet and the sharks are just waiting for that so they can pounce.

[jnhay]

1.) Photo of Rihanna was leaked which really shocked everyone.


Good point. Maybe if Charlie Sheen's wife came out with a beat up face then everyone will be outraged. People are dumb.

[Mooka]

Why is Charlie's action acceptable, and Tiger's isn't? I mean isn't it about principle. So if Charlie stabbed his wife it's ok. I can expect him to be in the next Hanes commercial asking for Jordan's boxers? By the way, who saw Tiger as a role model? Tiger isn't a role model now because he cheated on his wife? But Charlie Sheen still has a platform to be a role model without retribution? Does anyone remember John Wayne?

As fopr the post, to think our society see athletes are profound enlightened individuals compared to movie stars is garbage. I am speaking about that long winded bs post trying to convince me this isn,t what it is. Neither is acceptable. Tiger is a bigger story because it was more surprising.

No one care's about Charlie Sheen. He's not a mole model.

After this dies down you'll see Tiger in commercials again.

[Major Harris]

And Kobe's accusor had see from half the men in Colorado in her panties.

The way ESPN handled the Roethlisberger story is a disgrace. A total disgrace.

has kobe really been made into a villain? how long did that last?

seriously, i hope there comes a point in your life where you aren't infatuated with race. i can't imagine being so caught up in it that i see it in everything. it's unreal, i read you and boobie in threads like this and just shake my head.

i know, i know. you've never met a racist on the internet. i've never met a white apologist, either.

what was disgraceful about their coverage in your eyes?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

what was disgraceful about their coverage in your eyes?

ESPN was disgraceful in that they refused to cover the Big Ben story. At all.

But for some reason, Jayson Williams' DWI is on their headlines on the front page.

So...the QB of the reigning Super Bowl champions is accused of sexual assault. And that is not worthy of coverage.

But a basketball player who retired in 1999 gets a DWI...and that is covered?

That makes sense.

Compare the coverage Matt Jones got compared to...I don't know...any black wide receiver.

I don't think ESPN is overtly racist. I just think that they steer their coverage to white fans. And "thug athlete" stories always get more mileage when the athlete is black.

Seriously, how can a Redskins fan know the way that Sean Taylor was covered after his death and NOT think that race played a factor in it. Talking heads were lining up to call Taylor a thug who essentially got what he deserved.

Do you think Brett Favre would have gotten that kind of coverage if he had been shot in his home?

PS. Forbes Magazine (and why is Forbes covering sports?!?!?) has already called Gilbert Arenas a "thug."

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

You're exaggerating.

Name a story that doesn't.

I don't see how anyone can think that you can have a situation where 75 percent of the athletes are black and 85 percent of the spectators are white and not think that there will be a racial complexity to it.

I give Bill Simmons credit. In "The Book of Basketball," he writes honestly about the impact race has on the NBA.

[Major Harris]

Seriously, how can a Redskins fan know the way that Sean Taylor was covered after his death and NOT think that race played a factor in it. Talking heads were lining up to call Taylor a thug who essentially got what he deserved.

they turned out wrong with egg on their face. you're lying if the thought didn't cross your mind. he definitely gave everyone multiple reasons to be suspicious. he was no choir boy at all.

as far as big ben, it came out very quick the woman was a nut job trying to get paid. i don't know why you'd expect more.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

as far as big ben, it came out very quick the woman was a nut job trying to get paid. i don't know why you'd expect more.

A. The case is still pending.
B. No one knew she was a nutcase until about a week after the story broke. ESPN refused to cover it from the filing.

Bryan Burwell:



And if this woman has falsely accused Roethlisberger, then she is the one who ought to go to jail, and for a long time to send a message that wrongful suits ought to carry a stiff penalty, too.

Yet another rather curious aspect of the Roethlisberger story is the story itself. While every other major sports news operation has reported that the lawsuit has been filed, the biggest sports news organization in the country — media giant ESPN — has been mysteriously silent.

The same network that gave the Bryant case intense wall-to-wall coverage had failed to report anything about the Roethlisberger civil suit as of early Tuesday evening. Why ESPN chose to stay on the sidelines on this developing news story is a puzzle. According to Pro Football Talk.com, which originally reported the lawsuit, ESPN news executives issued a “do not report” directive to all its outlets and reporters, instructing them not to discuss the case. (In the interest of full disclosure, I am employed by an ESPN-affiliated radio station and also appear on many of ESPN’s studio shows.)

[#98QBKiller]

Good point. Maybe if Charlie Sheen's wife came out with a beat up face then everyone will be outraged. People are dumb.

Or maybe if she admits she was drunk and blew the incident out or proportion...wait a minute....

[Predicto]

You're no different than the people who took 100 years to see that people of all races are the same. You're no different than the remaining racists who still believe they're not.
You want to see who helps keep these problems alive? Go look in the mirror.
I honestly wonder if you truly believe the idiocy of your narrow minded ignorance, or if you're just too stupid to understand what is being said.

Here, this assessment should be short enough for you to get:
Wallow in your racism. It's obvious nothing can change it at all. The world is leaving you behind.

~Bang

Boobie's not racist. He's highly sensitive to race issues and sees unfairness where it might not exist. He is the Honorary Hog of black guys.

He's not a racist - he does not think that white people are inferior to his race. He thinks that his own race is treated unfairly (in fact, he might even be paranoid about the subject). But it's not the same thing as racism, race hatred.

Some people here are stupid enough to think its all the same thing, but I would not have put you in that group, Bang.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Or maybe if she admits she was drunk and blew the incident out or proportion...wait a minute....


Because if anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to beating up women, it's Charlie Sheen.


Mueller's statements are remarkably consistent with Sheen's ex-wife Denise Richards' accounts of the actor's behavior, including an incident where he told her "I hope you ****ing die, *****. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0421061sheen1.html) You are ****ing with the wrong guy," and threatened to have her killed. Sheen also served two years' probation for a 1996 assault (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/charlie-sheens-1996-domestic-violence-incident-in-la-could-become-factor-in-new-case.html) on then-girlfriend Brittany Ashland. In 1995, he settled a case out of court with a woman who claimed he'd hit her (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/12/28/2009-12-28_brooke_mueller_tells_cops_that_husband_charlie_ sheen_threatened_her_with_a_knife.html) when she refused to have sex with him. And in 1990, in an incident deemed an accident, he shot his fiance Kelly Preston (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b159724_charlie_sheens_women_troubles_are.html) in the arm.

[twenty-eight]

Because he isn't young, black, & successful.

[Major Harris]

A. The case is still pending.
B. No one knew she was a nutcase until about a week after the story broke. ESPN refused to cover it from the filing.

[/I]

a. it's america. all cases are pending. :)
b. i don't know, it seemed like the turn-around was much quicker than a week. i could be wrong. and as how i don't look for things to cry race about, i'm sure you were paying more attention. :)

[ljs]

Because he isn't young, black, & successful.

:doh::doh:

[Predicto]

I will concede that there is sometimes an unfair disparity in the way that black and white celebrities are treated by the media, just as there is sometimes a disparity in the way that black and white people are treated by society in general.

But this is just not a compelling example. Charlie Sheen is a non-story because he always gets in trouble and he is not that big a celebrity. He has no pedestal to be knocked off from.

Tiger Woods is the squeaky clean, most famous athlete in the world, and no one saw this coming. His pedestal was very, very high, so the fall was very, very big.

[MissU28]

Some of the stuff in this thread is RIDICULOUS. My opinion mirrors Bang's.

As someone who reads Perezhilton daily, I pay a lot of attention to celebrities and their lives. I love the stuff. The Tiger Woods story was some good ****. Every day it just got worse and worse. If it had just been one woman, I don't think the case would have been blown up as much as it had. It would have faded away in a couple days. It wouldn't have been THAT shocking to hear about Tiger cheating on his wife. After all, he is an athlete. It's expected. I was no fan of Tiger's to begin with anyway, though.

Now with Charlie... I read about it on Perez the day it happened. I had always known Charlie was a dick, so while it was a little shocking to hear about a weapon being involved, it wasn't big news. I just thought to myself, "good, seems like Denise Richards was right about the whole situation even after HE was trying to smear HER".

I haven't been following the Charlie Sheen case, though. Why? Because to me that's not scandalous! Tiger boning chicks all over the place whilst cheating on his wife is scandalous! It's juicy and entertaining.

I mean, what if it was Brett Favre doing this stuff??? People would be going NUTS! Imagine ESPN's Brett Favre coverage after THAT!

But....Tiger Woods is more famous than Brett Favre. So it makes it even juicier. I'd much rather hear about Angelina Jolie sleeping around than Kim Kardashian.

[Mooka]

So, yea, do I not remember Michael Phelps being bashed left and right, losing sponsors because he smokes pot?


:whoknows:

[jnhay]

Or maybe if she admits she was drunk and blew the incident out or proportion...wait a minute....

Because beaten wives never change their stories.

[Bang]

Boobie's not racist. He's highly sensitive to race issues and sees unfairness where it might not exist. He is the Honorary Hog of black guys.

He's not a racist - he does not think that white people are inferior to his race. He thinks that his own race is treated unfairly (in fact, he might even be paranoid about the subject). But it's not the same thing as racism, race hatred.

Some people here are stupid enough to think its all the same thing, but I would not have put you in that group, Bang.

Well, perhaps we have a different viewpoint on what the word means. I don't necessarily think it means that one has to feel superior over another or hate someone else, but when one sees race as the catalyst to EVERY issue, I think that is also racism. Especially when it is negative all the time. Every problem he discusses boils down to the white man doing something wrong. And it's his FIRST impression. I sincerely doubt by reading everything he writes that he ever even considers anything else.
Take a look at his response to my first post. You're a thinking man, do you think I made any valid points? Boobie doesn't. Not one. He wouldn't even address it. He thinks I'm just lying to myself about what i wrote so I can sleep at night. One sentence reply to five paragraphs of thought. I sincerely doubt he even read it. He just saw i disagreed and immediately classified me as a racist who has to say anything to help keep my conscience clear. (Which in turn could be taken by myself has having been called a racist in my own right.)

By the man's own words, everything is about race. Everything is a pretty broad all encompassing word, It in fact, means everything.
Persecution complex? Definitely, but born from what? A notion that whites are always out to get him, which while true in some cases, is not true in "everything".

In my book, that's as racist as anything. There is no discussion about the issue with the man. His mind is made up ahead of time. What is that if not racist in thought?

~Bang

[twenty-eight]

So, yea, do I not remember Michael Phelps being bashed left and right, losing sponsors because he smokes pot?


:whoknows:

And Phelps was on top of the world when that came out

[#98QBKiller]

Because he isn't young, black, & successful.

Or maybe he didn't beat the piss out of his wife and bite her face like a *****. Only to have the pictures leaked onto the internet?

[KAOSkins]

Charlie Sheen was already seen as a loser. I don't think anyone considers tiger a monster, just someone who ****ed up really badly, aka a loser.

[Thiebear]

So, yea, do I not remember Michael Phelps being bashed left and right, losing sponsors because he smokes pot?
:whoknows:

People should really use this tool called Google or Bing and just type in the question first...
Michael Phelps was shown worldwide and ridiculed for taking a bong hit.
and lost the biggest sponser he had of the whopping 3 total.
Speedo and Omega kept him. Wow.
Kellogg dropped him

Why do you hate swimmers?



Bang:
but when one sees race as the catalyst to EVERY issue, I think that is also racism. Especially when it is negative all the time. Every problem he discusses boils down to the white man doing something wrong. And it's his FIRST impression. I sincerely doubt by reading everything he writes that he ever even considers anything else.

I would agree with this for one or two people on both sides.

[Kosher Ham]

Charlie Sheen was already seen as a loser. I don't think anyone considers tiger a monster, just someone who ****ed up really badly, aka a loser.

Tiger, although an idiot, is far from a loser.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

If Charlie Sheen is such a loser, why is he the highest paid actor on tv and why do I see his Hanes commercial 65 times a weekend?

Everyone here is treating Charlie Sheen like Corey Haim. Charlie Sheen was probably one of the ten highest paid actors in LA last year.

[KAOSkins]

Tiger, although an idiot, is far from a loser.

Not on the golf course perhaps, but at life in general I would vehemently disagree with you. He lost his wife and kids, you can't lose any bigger than that.

[KAOSkins]

If Charlie Sheen is such a loser, why is he the highest paid actor on tv and why do I see his Hanes commercial 65 times a weekend?

Everyone here is treating Charlie Sheen like Corey Haim. Charlie Sheen was probably one of the ten highest paid actors in LA last year.

Again, he's successful at acting but the rest of his life? It's a freaking mess and I wouldn't change places with him for a second.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Again, he's successful at acting but the rest of his life? It's a freaking mess and I wouldn't change places with him for a second.

I'm not sure that was ever an option.

But the argument is that Charlie Sheen is ignored for being a women beater and can keep his lucrative job and lucrative endorsements because he is known as a woman beater.

Tiger Woods was thought to be a good guy. So his being an adulterer means that he loses his endorsements. And according to one columnist, should be banned from the tour for a year.

This makes no sense to me.

[KAOSkins]

I'm not sure that was ever an option.

Nor do I. :D

But the argument is that Charlie Sheen is ignored for being a women beater and can keep his lucrative job and lucrative endorsements because he is known as a woman beater.

Sadly there's some truth to that. Kinda like hearing that Teddy (RIP) was a drunk or a womanizer wasn't big news but Sanford was.

Tiger Woods was thought to be a good guy. So his being an adulterer means that he loses his endorsements. And according to one columnist, should be banned from the tour for a year.

This makes no sense to me.

It's certainly not fair but I think I'm right about the why. Familiarity makes for acceptance. If tiger had been a jerk throughout his career he'd still have his endorsements.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It's certainly not fair but I think I'm right about the why. Familiarity makes for acceptance. If tiger had been a jerk throughout his career he'd still have his endorsements.

There is an element of that.

But I still believe that if you are a black celebrity, you can never make any mistakes and expect to be welcomed back with open arms.

(For some reason I cannot explain, Charles Barkley appears to be the exception to this rule).

[KAOSkins]

(For some reason I cannot explain, Charles Barkley appears to be the exception to this rule).

He was a jerk from day one.

I rest my case. ;)

I'll add, I don't think blacks and whites are necessarily treated the same and the difference at my level is undeniable. Also, Tiger wasn't considered, and I'm stepping in it here I know, ghetto. I couldn't think of a better way to put it.

[Thiebear]

If Charlie Sheen is such a loser, why is he the highest paid actor on tv and why do I see his Hanes commercial 65 times a weekend?

Everyone here is treating Charlie Sheen like Corey Haim. Charlie Sheen was probably one of the ten highest paid actors in LA last year.

Again:

Charlie Sheen commercials portray him as an idiot that Michael doesnt want to be around.
Charlie Sheen Television is a drunken character that sleeps with every woman and nobody wants to be around.

Seems to me he is being portrayed correctly?
He's a train wreck people want to see crash and burn quarterly.

[jnhay]

Some of you guys are starting to sound like you're defending the *******s who happen to not be white.

[ljs]

I'm not sure that was ever an option.

But the argument is that Charlie Sheen is ignored for being a women beater and can keep his lucrative job and lucrative endorsements because he is known as a woman beater.

Tiger Woods was thought to be a good guy. So his being an adulterer means that he loses his endorsements. And according to one columnist, should be banned from the tour for a year.

This makes no sense to me.

Charlie Sheen's BAC level was .04- half of what it would be to be considered too impared to drive. His wife's was .13- almost double imparement. She was wasted drunk, he was basically sober. She has no physical marks on her, nothing to indicate he did anything wrong. Its only her word vs his. Its a drunk angry woman, mad at her husband. You think she wouldn't lie???

BIG difference between that and Tiger who has a dozen or so women, some with overwhelming proof, of their ongoing affairs with him. Tiger's responsible for creating a public persona that everyone thought was perfect- has been like that ever since he was at Stanford- I remember watching him in several college and amatuer contests. His fall from grace is completely his fault.

this isn't about race at all- its about evidence and proof of a wrong doing. There's no evidence at all that Charlie Sheen did anything, can't say the same for Tiger. And trust me, I'm one of the first to bash anyone for hitting their spouse.

[ljs]

Do you think Brett Favre would have gotten that kind of coverage if he had been shot in his home?

PS. Forbes Magazine (and why is Forbes covering sports?!?!?) has already called Gilbert Arenas a "thug."

1- are you too young to remember when Brett admitted his pain pill addiction? I'm not, and he was lambasted in the media. Matter of fact, I lived in Mississippi when it happened. It was all over the media for a long time.

2- Arenas is a thug- always has been and now bringing guns into the locker room coupled with his tweets about it- and completely dismissing the incident- just solidfies most people's opinons that Areanas is a pile of poo- Including AL SHARPTON!!


A. The case is still pending.
B. No one knew she was a nutcase until about a week after the story broke. ESPN refused to cover it from the filing.

Bryan Burwell:

[/I]
um, you aren't real good with the media, b/c I read about the nutjob lady the same day the story broke- but on TMZ. They reported way more than ESPN. You do realize there are multiple news outlets right??


I guess you missed the part where his wife admitted she made it up? Or did you ignore it because it doesn't help you with the mini-crusade you're on in this thread?

Thank you- somehow I missed where she finally admitted that she lied.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

this isn't about race at all- its about evidence and proof of a wrong doing. There's no evidence at all that Charlie Sheen did anything, can't say the same for Tiger. And trust me, I'm one of the first to bash anyone for hitting their spouse.

Okay. Let's accept that he didn't hit or threathen anyone this time. (I think it's more likely that his wife and he are in some sick co-dependent relationship, but whatever).

He has three other public incidents of violence against women. A history of spending hundreds of thousands on prostitutes. And a history of drug abuse. It took all of one day for Pepsi to crack.

How is he still getting work as an endorser with that resume?

Bill O'Reilly launched a successful campaign to stop Ludacris from advertising Pepsi because he sang songs about violence, hos and drugs.

Charlie Sheen actually lives those three concepts on a daily basis.

[DjTj]

Charlie Sheen lack of outrage thread, meet Duke lacrosse players lack of outrage thread:
It's just white kids that were harrassed and offended here. They need to have been a minority of some type to get press conferences and TV specials about their case
This was a case of 3 rich WHITE boys being accused by one black woman. There is no outrage because they are white. plain and simple. had a black man been accused with no evidence and treated the way these 3 white boy were,which regardless of race is a travesty of justice, there would be hell to pay!!!
At least when white Americans complain about the state of affairs in this country, it's because someone has been ACTUALLY damaged as a result of someone else's stupidity. Not because someone hurt our wittle feewings.http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=195547

Sometimes stories get big, and sometimes stories fall by the wayside. Is race a factor? Sure, everything is a factor: race, money, reputation, timing, speed, accuracy, arm strength, pocket presence ... but race certainly isn't the only factor, and it's not even a major factor in most cases.

Kobe gets accused of rape, admits to adultery, it's a huge story, then he later wins the MVP Award and a championship. Duke kids get accused of rape, it's a huge story, it turns out to be a fraud, and we never hear from them again. Tiger Woods tries to cover up a domestic dispute, admits to adultery, and it becomes a huge story. Charlie Sheen tries to cover up a domestic dispute, doesn't admit to anything, and it isn't much of a story.

In many ways, it's all pretty random, and a little bit of hype can easily spin any given situation completely out of control. Trying to draw big societal conclusions from these events isn't going to get us anywhere.

[boobiemiles]

Ok. I have been called a racist, stupid, and ignorant. It always made me laugh how people can call you a racist when you make comments. Like my words lead to the actions that can influence those who have, and those who have not. I am not sure if you guys feel in order for something to have racial overtones the people involved have to get nibbled on by German sheppards, or hosed down by the local fire department like the images we saw in those grainy black and white images from the civil rights movement. You guys that try to tell me what this is, are funny as you know what. I am laughing over here. To have somebody tell me that I am racist because I see a contrast between Charlei Sheen and Tiger tickles me. It's funny how the women in Rothelisberger and Charlie Sheen situation retracted their statements. That is perfect. Listen, this whole situation is racial. I am not even going to talk about Charlie Sheen anymore. If that makes you guys feel better I will leave him alone. It's clear the concensous is he didn't do what he did because his wife was drunk and didn't know what a knife was, or Charlie was going crazy because she wanted a divorce. That is fine. Like I said what ever lets you sleep at night.

My question is what do people mean "Tiger fooled them"? What does that mean? He fell from grace because they thought he was "squeaky clean". What is our society saying? Because Tiger wears Polo Shirts, and swings a golf club, he is suppose to be what exactly? And why is everone so intent on watching this train wreck. Last I checked Tiger played Golf. A lot of people say Tiger is more prominent than Charlie Sheen, which I disagree with. Tiger is only a story during Golf season. And let's not forget this is golf. I can count four events, and one in particular that gets the layman fan's attention, that being the Masters. Charlie Sheen is on TV every week, and even more in cindication. He has high visibility. Plus Charlie is an accomplished actor. We all know about Platoon, and some have seen Wall Street. Plus Charlie is in commercials with the one of the greastest athletes in all sports. That kind of publicity can't hurt, no matter how insignificant you guys make it out to be. So why is Tiger on everyones lips, and not Charlie? I guess Charlie's past indiscretion have no barring on the present situation. I guess the media gets tired about talking of his sorted affairs, porn stars and all. Charlie had porn stars crying on TV aching for the loving. But Tiger is a bigger target, because he plays "GOLF". Who watches golf? A whole lot of people watch Two and a Half men. Last I checked it's one of the most watched shows on tv. Yet Charlie is less of media darling than Tiger.

And lets get back to the fact many are saying "Tiger fooled me", especially after they saw him pumping Iron, shirt off, complete with scully, and the jail house grill on the cover of Vanity Fair. "He fooled me". What does that mean exactly? What were you thinking Tiger was? What do you think he is now? And if all he is guilty of is sleeping around why is everyone dropping him like a bad habit. Was Tiger suppose to be one of the "safe ones"? One of the Talented Tenth? One of those guys that fit into the connotation that "we are all the same" until we do something to show we were always different? I mean really why is Tiger not suppose to be human, or a certain type of human? And if he was seen as human before, why does some humans feel his action were the most aggregous, when he didn't threaten anyone with a knife. He doesn't have porn stars on Current Affair. Tiger isn't accuse of sexual assualt. All he did was cheat on some woman that he married to soon. Now you have people making her into the jilted woman, the holy Virging herself. What is Tiger's wife doing, how is she coping? Man, that woman was broke before she layed own with a guy that wasn;t suppose to excel at a sport for a few! The magazines are littered with her image, blonde hair blue eyes, and it's hard not to miss her. Which is a feat in itself if you look at all the blonde hair blue eyes that grace your magazine cover. Tiger isn't getting to much coverage on BET. That one channel that specially caters to the African American community. That channel that has people saying "look how racist it is, they have a black channel, now let me go back to watching ABC, CBS, or any host of National Networks that say they show programing that reflects the taste of their audience". It's a lot more sudtle now ladies and gentlemen. Gone are the whips, and confederate flags.....well one out of two isn't bad. We are at the hearts and minds stage now. We are at a point where people's expectaion are built from connotations that are engrained in the fabric of this country. We don't have black and white schools.....well maybe a little depending on district. Instead we have one group saying "we don't wear white hoods anymore, so racism is dead".....easy my friend....I feel racism everytime I push the gas on my BMW 328i to an audience that ask "what do yo do for a living", with that look in there eye. We have expectations. We wanted Tiger to be one of the safe ones, instead of "that one". I know I know. I am a racist. I make the rules we live by. I regergitate people's expectations and feed it back to them in a host of mediums that fit their ideas. I know I know, racism is dead.

[boobiemiles]

I think "long winded" means "I get confused if I have to read more than a few sentences".

You're no different than the people who took 100 years to see that people of all races are the same. You're no different than the remaining racists who still believe they're not.
You want to see who helps keep these problems alive? Go look in the mirror.
I honestly wonder if you truly believe the idiocy of your narrow minded ignorance, or if you're just too stupid to understand what is being said.

Here, this assessment should be short enough for you to get:
Wallow in your racism. It's obvious nothing can change it at all. The world is leaving you behind.

~Bang
Yeah I was looking for this post. To have a 46 year old man call me names is alarming. To have a 46 year old man have time to even post response is quiet surprising. I am sorry if I wasn't able to get back at your earlier I was working.

I look in the mirror everyday. I like what I see. I accomplished a lot. I don't blame whitey for anything. I make my own fate, regardless of the misinformed, or miseducated may thing. I know you are older than me. I know you have a different experience when it comes to life. We all do. People are suppose to come together and say what is on their minds without retribution. This is America, last time I checked. But I guess you felt slighted by my statements, tough! You learn patients as you get older. You learn that people come from different walks of life. They expereinced things differently. To feel everyone shoudl see things the way you do is ignorant to me.

[Kilmer17]

I think Im the only guy who used to root against Tiger in every tournament. Im an underdog fan at heart. But now????? I'll be in red shirts every Sunday cheering for him. He's human now. And the underdog....sortof.

As for Sheen, meh. Par for the course imo......

[Kilmer17]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/images/12/07/jaguars-mascot.jpg

[Bang]

All well and good Boobie, but you know as well as anyone that SEX SELLS.
And a juicy scandal involving one of the most famous people in the world with a dozen beautiful women is a story that will sell papers.

If this was an equally famous white athlete with so MANY women who are as attractive as Tiger's mistresses are, it would be just as big a story.

This is about sex, not race. People love salacious dirty stories, and they love to thumb up their noses at people involved in such tawdry scandals. (Even if a lot of them are no saints themselves.) Remember the wringer Bill Clinton went through? Sex is what drives public interest in these stories.

I apologize to you personally if you feel I've misjudged you. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on that matter.

I still disagree that this story is about race, but I don't whitewash everything clean of racial overtones as has been implied. And I don't believe that EVERYTHING boils down to race as you've definitely declared. As to the names,, what do you call someone who views everything thru the spectrum of race? What do YOU call a person who ignores every other aspect of the story to assign blame SOLELY on the basis of race? I know what I call them, and it apparently has offended you, even though you have focused only on race and have ignored everything else. If you don't want to be called ignorant, if you don't want to be called racist, then don't exhibit their traits so prominently.


I know what exists in this country and around this world, I just think that the fame of Tiger Woods and the sexual nature of the story makes it something that writes itself. Everyone is curious for a variety of reasons.

As to the dropping of sponsors, again, I attribute that to the sexual nature of the story, and race aside, you know there's a good percentage of the population who still pretend to hold Puritanical values when it comes to that.

Peace

~Bang

[#98QBKiller]

Ok. I have been called a racist, stupid, and ignorant. It always made me laugh how people can call you a racist when you make comments. Like my words lead to the actions that can influence those who have, and those who have not. I am not sure if you guys feel in order for something to have racial overtones the people involved have to get nibbled on by German sheppards, or hosed down by the local fire department like the images we saw in those grainy black and white images from the civil rights movement. You guys that try to tell me what this is, are funny as you know what. I am laughing over here. To have somebody tell me that I am racist because I see a contrast between Charlei Sheen and Tiger tickles me. It's funny how the women in Rothelisberger and Charlie Sheen situation retracted their statements. That is perfect. Listen, this whole situation is racial. I am not even going to talk about Charlie Sheen anymore. If that makes you guys feel better I will leave him alone. It's clear the concensous is he didn't do what he did because his wife was drunk and didn't know what a knife was, or Charlie was going crazy because she wanted a divorce. That is fine. Like I said what ever lets you sleep at night.

My question is what do people mean "Tiger fooled them"? What does that mean? He fell from grace because they thought he was "squeaky clean". What is our society saying? Because Tiger wears Polo Shirts, and swings a golf club, he is suppose to be what exactly? And why is everone so intent on watching this train wreck. Last I checked Tiger played Golf. A lot of people say Tiger is more prominent than Charlie Sheen, which I disagree with. Tiger is only a story during Golf season. And let's not forget this is golf. I can count four events, and one in particular that gets the layman fan's attention, that being the Masters. Charlie Sheen is on TV every week, and even more in cindication. He has high visibility. Plus Charlie is an accomplished actor. We all know about Platoon, and some have seen Wall Street. Plus Charlie is in commercials with the one of the greastest athletes in all sports. That kind of publicity can't hurt, no matter how insignificant you guys make it out to be. So why is Tiger on everyones lips, and not Charlie? I guess Charlie's past indiscretion have no barring on the present situation. I guess the media gets tired about talking of his sorted affairs, porn stars and all. Charlie had porn stars crying on TV aching for the loving. But Tiger is a bigger target, because he plays "GOLF". Who watches golf? A whole lot of people watch Two and a Half men. Last I checked it's one of the most watched shows on tv. Yet Charlie is less of media darling than Tiger.

And lets get back to the fact many are saying "Tiger fooled me", especially after they saw him pumping Iron, shirt off, complete with scully, and the jail house grill on the cover of Vanity Fair. "He fooled me". What does that mean exactly? What were you thinking Tiger was? What do you think he is now? And if all he is guilty of is sleeping around why is everyone dropping him like a bad habit. Was Tiger suppose to be one of the "safe ones"? One of the Talented Tenth? One of those guys that fit into the connotation that "we are all the same" until we do something to show we were always different? I mean really why is Tiger not suppose to be human, or a certain type of human? And if he was seen as human before, why does some humans feel his action were the most aggregous, when he didn't threaten anyone with a knife. He doesn't have porn stars on Current Affair. Tiger isn't accuse of sexual assualt. All he did was cheat on some woman that he married to soon. Now you have people making her into the jilted woman, the holy Virging herself. What is Tiger's wife doing, how is she coping? Man, that woman was broke before she layed own with a guy that wasn;t suppose to excel at a sport for a few! The magazines are littered with her image, blonde hair blue eyes, and it's hard not to miss her. Which is a feat in itself if you look at all the blonde hair blue eyes that grace your magazine cover. Tiger isn't getting to much coverage on BET. That one channel that specially caters to the African American community. That channel that has people saying "look how racist it is, they have a black channel, now let me go back to watching ABC, CBS, or any host of National Networks that say they show programing that reflects the taste of their audience". It's a lot more sudtle now ladies and gentlemen. Gone are the whips, and confederate flags.....well one out of two isn't bad. We are at the hearts and minds stage now. We are at a point where people's expectaion are built from connotations that are engrained in the fabric of this country. We don't have black and white schools.....well maybe a little depending on district. Instead we have one group saying "we don't wear white hoods anymore, so racism is dead".....easy my friend....I feel racism everytime I push the gas on my BMW 328i to an audience that ask "what do yo do for a living", with that look in there eye. We have expectations. We wanted Tiger to be one of the safe ones, instead of "that one". I know I know. I am a racist. I make the rules we live by. I regergitate people's expectations and feed it back to them in a host of mediums that fit their ideas. I know I know, racism is dead.

You sound like a sad, paranoid man.

[jnhay]

My question is what do people mean "Tiger fooled them"? What does that mean? He fell from grace because they thought he was "squeaky clean". What is our society saying? Because Tiger wears Polo Shirts, and swings a golf club, he is suppose to be what exactly? And why is everone so intent on watching this train wreck. Last I checked Tiger played Golf. A lot of people say Tiger is more prominent than Charlie Sheen, which I disagree with. Tiger is only a story during Golf season. And let's not forget this is golf. I can count four events, and one in particular that gets the layman fan's attention, that being the Masters. Charlie Sheen is on TV every week, and even more in cindication. He has high visibility. Plus Charlie is an accomplished actor. We all know about Platoon, and some have seen Wall Street. Plus Charlie is in commercials with the one of the greastest athletes in all sports. That kind of publicity can't hurt, no matter how insignificant you guys make it out to be. So why is Tiger on everyones lips, and not Charlie? I guess Charlie's past indiscretion have no barring on the present situation. I guess the media gets tired about talking of his sorted affairs, porn stars and all. Charlie had porn stars crying on TV aching for the loving. But Tiger is a bigger target, because he plays "GOLF". Who watches golf? A whole lot of people watch Two and a Half men. Last I checked it's one of the most watched shows on tv. Yet Charlie is less of media darling than Tiger.

Their salaries show that Tiger is way more prominent than Charlie Sheen. It's not even remotely close.

And lets get back to the fact many are saying "Tiger fooled me", especially after they saw him pumping Iron, shirt off, complete with scully, and the jail house grill on the cover of Vanity Fair. "He fooled me". What does that mean exactly? What were you thinking Tiger was? What do you think he is now? And if all he is guilty of is sleeping around why is everyone dropping him like a bad habit. Maybe because they think that's wrong? Was Tiger suppose to be one of the "safe ones"? I mean really why is Tiger not suppose to be human, or a certain type of human? And if he was seen as human before, why does some humans feel his action were the most aggregous, when he didn't threaten anyone with a knife. More interesting, not egregious.

He doesn't have porn stars on Current Affair. Tiger isn't accuse of sexual assualt. All he did was cheat on some woman that he married to soon (Yeah, that's an awesome thing to do!.

We don't have black and white schools.....well maybe a little depending on district. Instead we have one group saying "we don't wear white hoods anymore, so racism is dead".....easy my friend....I feel racism everytime I push the gas on my BMW 328i to an audience that ask "what do yo do for a living", with that look in there eye. We have expectations. We wanted Tiger to be one of the safe ones, instead of "that one". I know I know. I am a racist. I make the rules we live by. I regergitate people's expectations and feed it back to them in a host of mediums that fit their ideas. I know I know, racism is dead. Racism is not dead, but Charlie Sheen not being a huge news story is not an example of racism. The Ben Roethlisberger story was flimsy from the very start. Kobe Bryant had a squeaky clean image and was found to be cheating on his wife. People loved Kobe Bryant before the whole scandal! Should they continue to love him because he cheated on his wife, but happens to be black?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

If this was an equally famous white athlete with so MANY women who are as attractive as Tiger's mistresses are, it would be just as big a story.


You don't think that is an interesting element here in that it is a black man having sex with multiple white women?

Question for the group: If Tiger had a black wife and was cheating with black woman, would this be a bigger story or a smaller story?

Keep in mind that Michael Jordan cheated on his wife every single day of his life. But he had a black, non-supermodel wife.

[Bang]

You don't think that is an interesting element here in that it is a black man having sex with multiple white women?

Question for the group: If Tiger had a black wife and was cheating with black woman, would this be a bigger story or a smaller story?

Keep in mind that Michael Jordan cheated on his wife every single day of his life. But he had a black, non-supermodel wife.

He's not, so it isn't even worth bringing into the discussion.
But since you did, why isn't Tiger's obvious racism being called into question? He is only banging white women, so he must be a racist.
You'd actually have to prove Michael Jordan cheated every day of his life. And then you'd actually have to prove none of them were white, and none of them were supermodels.

We can make up hypothetical situations all night
How big of a story would it be if it turned out he was screwing the neghbor's dog?
Do you think it would matter if it was a black dog or a white dog?
I'm sure there's been athletes who have banged dogs, but we never hear about them In fact, Reggie Jackson used to bang dogs every day of his life. We don't hear about it because they were mutts. If they were pedigree dogs, the story would definitely have been exposed in more than Bestiality Monthly Magazine.
There's obviously a conspiracy afoot.

What if Tiger is actually a woman? I've never seen his penis. Have you? How do we know he hasn't been having lesbian affairs?

Let's stick to reality and not make up supposed situations to try and make our point.
Reality: He's the most famous athlete on earth.
Reality: His wife is smoking hot
Reality: so are all twelve of his girlfriends
Realty: People love a juicy sex scandal, and this one is as juicy as any I can remember.

~Bang

[ljs]

You don't think that is an interesting element here in that it is a black man having sex with multiple white women?

Question for the group: If Tiger had a black wife and was cheating with black woman, would this be a bigger story or a smaller story?

Keep in mind that Michael Jordan cheated on his wife every single day of his life. But he had a black, non-supermodel wife.

the race is playing a part in this only for those that bring it up, like you and the boobiles guy. See, you guys are the kind that will find a race issue no matter what, because you want to. I'm not saying it never exsits, but some of you think thats the only factor.

And for anyone to think that Charlie sheen is more famous than Tiger...you gotta be on crack.

[ljs]

Okay. Let's accept that he didn't hit or threathen anyone this time. (I think it's more likely that his wife and he are in some sick co-dependent relationship, but whatever).

He has three other public incidents of violence against women. A history of spending hundreds of thousands on prostitutes. And a history of drug abuse. It took all of one day for Pepsi to crack.

How is he still getting work as an endorser with that resume?

Bill O'Reilly launched a successful campaign to stop Ludacris from advertising Pepsi because he sang songs about violence, hos and drugs.

Charlie Sheen actually lives those three concepts on a daily basis.

I agree with you that Sheen is a poor choice for a commercial star, I'm sure there are better people.

Tiger still has sponsors, and makes WAYYY more than Sheen ever will in that arena.

[Redd]

Because Charlie Sheen always seems to be in trouble that's why. Tiger for the most part at least has been squeaky clean imo. That's why it was such a shock that he had so many women even though he was married. Oh an if Tiger wasn't married it really wouldn't be such a big deal. All imo of course.

[Xameil]

Charlie Sheen's BAC level was .04- half of what it would be to be considered too impared to drive. His wife's was .13- almost double imparement. She was wasted drunk, he was basically sober. She has no physical marks on her, nothing to indicate he did anything wrong. Its only her word vs his. Its a drunk angry woman, mad at her husband. You think she wouldn't lie???

BIG difference between that and Tiger who has a dozen or so women, some with overwhelming proof, of their ongoing affairs with him. Tiger's responsible for creating a public persona that everyone thought was perfect- has been like that ever since he was at Stanford- I remember watching him in several college and amatuer contests. His fall from grace is completely his fault.

this isn't about race at all- its about evidence and proof of a wrong doing. There's no evidence at all that Charlie Sheen did anything, can't say the same for Tiger. And trust me, I'm one of the first to bash anyone for hitting their spouse.

there ya go again...spouting off rational arguments and facts. You are going to confuse people.
The tiger story would have been a dead issue if:
1) they didn't lie to police about what happened and told the truth right from the start...you give no fuel for a story, and no story exists. Instead things didn't add up, so reporters dug deeper (Gary Hart comes to mind right now for some reason)
2) Tiger came clean about all his women up front. For a week or so there was a new woman coming out and claiming she was with him. There were even liars in that I believe for their 15 mins of fame.
3) Tiger wasn't in hiding now. Reporters are on a 24 hour watch of him because he is making his story sell newpapers, so they report his every move.
Lastly, none of this would have happened if Tiger used AshleyMadison.com ;) (Stern fans get this one)

[Predicto]

Well, perhaps we have a different viewpoint on what the word means. I don't necessarily think it means that one has to feel superior over another or hate someone else, but when one sees race as the catalyst to EVERY issue, I think that is also racism. Especially when it is negative all the time. Every problem he discusses boils down to the white man doing something wrong. And it's his FIRST impression. I sincerely doubt by reading everything he writes that he ever even considers anything else.
Take a look at his response to my first post. You're a thinking man, do you think I made any valid points? Boobie doesn't. Not one. He wouldn't even address it. He thinks I'm just lying to myself about what i wrote so I can sleep at night. One sentence reply to five paragraphs of thought. I sincerely doubt he even read it. He just saw i disagreed and immediately classified me as a racist who has to say anything to help keep my conscience clear. (Which in turn could be taken by myself has having been called a racist in my own right.)

By the man's own words, everything is about race. Everything is a pretty broad all encompassing word, It in fact, means everything.
Persecution complex? Definitely, but born from what? A notion that whites are always out to get him, which while true in some cases, is not true in "everything".

In my book, that's as racist as anything. There is no discussion about the issue with the man. His mind is made up ahead of time. What is that if not racist in thought?

~Bang

It's hypersensitivity. It's the Honorary Hog syndrome in reverse.

I talk about legal issues on here all the time, because that is what I know the most about. That is what I feel most strongly about. That is where I feel I can sometimes provide some insight. My experiences make the issue more significant to me than some others. I have no doubt that Boobie feels the same way, but the issue that get his goat is the silly idea that some white guys have that racism is dead, blacks have it great, and only reverse racism still exists in America. I bet that chaps his hide something fierce.

And what is it born from? What do you think? From growing up black in our society. Maybe from reading about Abner Loiuma in the newspaper and wondering if it was going to happen to him. Or maybe from being stopped by police for "driving while black." Or maybe a thousand other possibilities.

Sure, it's easy for us white guys to say that "A notion that whites are always out to get him, which while true in some cases, is not true in "everything"" but I bet it is hard to feel that way in real life if you are black. I've never suffered racial persecution, but I bet that if I had, I would be seeing it all around me a lot more often, whether or not it was really there in that particular instance.

This is not a good thing, of course. But it is not the same as "racism" in the sense of "my race is superior" and it is not as bad as that either.

Sometimes I think that there is a conscious effort going on to redefine racism to that us white guys can claim to suffer from it as much as black guys do. "oooh ooh they are the REAL racists because thay are always complaining about race...." Well, sorry, that is bull. We don't have the same experience that they do. And playing around with the definition doesn't change that.

Race is a powerful issue in this country, and we all just have to muddle through it the best we can. Boobie may not be doing a perfect job of it (none of us are) but he is hardly a racist for what he has said here. I simply cannot accept that.

[Xameil]

Perhaps I need my memory refreshed...but right after Kobe was proven innocent....did it all go away...of course right after he bought the ring for his wife. yeah people still make the occasional comment about him...but they make the same comment about Charlie Sheen as well...

[cjcdaman]

The liberals in this thread are so funny.

[MissU28]

happy now, boobie?

Hanes Suspends Charlie Sheen's commercials

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20334845,00.html



man, those white people get all the breaks!

[Bang]

Uh oh. Pop goes the outrage!

~Bang

[Ryman of the North]

Bang- you couldnt be more right. Its all about SEX.
Predicto- you can be a minority and be racist, part of being racist in my opinion is seeing racism where there isnt any or attributing everything to racism.

[Tweedr01]

Don't forget, they never found Tupac or Biggie's killer, and how dare they try and frame OJ! What has he done to anyone except set records?! All of you are racists for even opening this thread and posting anything!

[blue collar]

happy now, boobie?

Hanes Suspends Charlie Sheen's commercials

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20334845,00.html



man, those white people get all the breaks!

Well, it's about time. Tiger didn't even do anything illegal and they're trying to destroy his career.

[Thiebear]

Charlie lost his wifebeater tshirt commercial?
tssk tssk.

[blue collar]

there ya go again...spouting off rational arguments and facts. You are going to confuse people.
The tiger story would have been a dead issue if:
1) they didn't lie to police about what happened and told the truth right from the start...you give no fuel for a story, and no story exists. Instead things didn't add up, so reporters dug deeper (Gary Hart comes to mind right now for some reason)
2) Tiger came clean about all his women up front. For a week or so there was a new woman coming out and claiming she was with him. There were even liars in that I believe for their 15 mins of fame.
3) Tiger wasn't in hiding now. Reporters are on a 24 hour watch of him because he is making his story sell newpapers, so they report his every move.
Lastly, none of this would have happened if Tiger used AshleyMadison.com ;) (Stern fans get this one)

Why do Tiger have to come clean? What he did was cheat on his wife. He did NOTHING illegal.

[blue collar]

Okay. Let's accept that he didn't hit or threathen anyone this time. (I think it's more likely that his wife and he are in some sick co-dependent relationship, but whatever).

He has three other public incidents of violence against women. A history of spending hundreds of thousands on prostitutes. And a history of drug abuse. It took all of one day for Pepsi to crack.

How is he still getting work as an endorser with that resume?

Bill O'Reilly launched a successful campaign to stop Ludacris from advertising Pepsi because he sang songs about violence, hos and drugs.

Charlie Sheen actually lives those three concepts on a daily basis.

THANK YOU!!! But Charlie's a "bad boy" so we should just accept it.

[Bang]

Well, it's about time. Tiger didn't even do anything illegal and they're trying to destroy his career.

"They" aren't trying to destroy his career.
"They" are only trying to protect their product image by not having it endorsed by a philandering adulterer.
HE put himself in this situation. "They" are only reacting to what HE has done.

As to his golf career, as far as I know he's still the best golfer in the world, and no one has told him he can't play.

~Bang

[blue collar]

"They" aren't trying to destroy his career.
"They" are only trying to protect their product image by not having it endorsed by a philandering adulterer.
HE put himself in this situation. "They" are only reacting to what HE has done.

As to his golf career, as far as I know he's still the best golfer in the world, and no one has told him he can't play.

~Bang

Tiger has taken an incredible beating on talk/news shows across the board that I've seen and I don't even watch FOXNEWS anymore. I can just imagine what they've said.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

the race is playing a part in this only for those that bring it up, like you and the boobiles guy. See, you guys are the kind that will find a race issue no matter what, because you want to. I'm not saying it never exsits, but some of you think thats the only factor.

I've never said it's the only factor.

My argument is that race is always "A" factor. Always.

Gilbert Arenas own stupidity is largely to blame for the mess that he finds himself in. However, race is an important factor in the public reaction to it.

Tatooed black guys playing with guns is always going to scare the hell out of the mainstream media and the mainstream public.

[Bang]

Tiger has taken an incredible beating on talk/news shows across the board that I've seen and I don't even watch FOXNEWS anymore. I can just imagine what they've said.

Well, that's what happens when famous people go running around with a dozen women other than their wife.
I know it may be hard to believe, but people tend to frown upon adultery, and when it's such a famous person with so many beautiful women involved, it makes for quite the sensational scandal. No embellishment necessary, so to speak.

~Bang

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I know it may be hard to believe, but people tend to frown upon adultery.


...when it's convenient.

[Bang]

...when it's convenient.

... or when it's such a scandal as this. No one said the public wasn't hypocritical, since so many people cheat.
but sensationalism rules our 'news' and this one has every single ingredient.

To pretend he's just being singled out unfairly is to ignore the reality of humanity's fascination with sex scandals throughout history. Nothing is sacred once the story comes out, and the more famous the person, te more interest.
Don't you remember the President of the United States having the shape of his dick discussed in tabloids? Big bold headlines about the presidents penis in the checkout lines at the grocery store for MONTHS. The presidents' bent dick being joked about on late night talkshows for months, and every other week some new woman popped out of the woodwork with more salacious tales of the president's sexual promiscuity. Society doesn't care, they want the scandal. Always have, and always will.

But then again, ignoring reality is also par for the course among some of the public.

~Bang

[MissU28]

...when it's convenient.

what???? when do people act like adultery is okay? And how is Tiger's situation JUST "adultery"??? His situation goes far beyond just regular old adultery. His situation includes drugs, multiple partners, and violence (getting hit in the face with a golf club), all while projecting a picture-perfect family at home and a multi-billion dollar career.

And isn't adultery technically illegal? Tiger lives in Florida, right?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0798/ch0798.htm



The 2009 Florida Statutes


CHAPTER 798

ADULTERY; COHABITATION

798.01 Living in open adultery.

798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.

798.01 Living in open adultery.--Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section.

History.--s. 1, ch. 1986, 1874; RS 2595; GS 3518; RGS 5406; CGL 7549; s. 772, ch. 71-136.

798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.--If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

History.--s. 6, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2596; GS 3519; RGS 5407; CGL 7550; s. 773, ch. 71-136.


And if that's not illegal enough for you, Tiger taking Extacy and abusing Vicodin certainly is.

His situation is just craziness. People are fascinated. I don't get what some of you don't get. When Jon Gosselin was galavanting around after he and Kate separated, he was lambasted as well. Oh, wait, he's Asian, so he doesn't count, right?

[Bang]

When Jon Gosselin was galavanting around after he and Kate separated, he was lambasted as well. Oh, wait, he's Asian, so he doesn't count, right?

Technically, so is Tiger. Half of him anyway.

And we know what kind of pervs the Japanese can be! :silly:

~Bang

[blue collar]

what???? when do people act like adultery is okay? And how is Tiger's situation JUST "adultery"??? His situation goes far beyond just regular old adultery. His situation includes drugs, multiple partners, and violence (getting hit in the face with a golf club), all while projecting a picture-perfect family at home and a multi-billion dollar career.

And isn't adultery technically illegal? Tiger lives in Florida, right?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0798/ch0798.htm




And if that's not illegal enough for you, Tiger taking Extacy and abusing Vicodin certainly is.

His situation is just craziness. People are fascinated. I don't get what some of you don't get. When Jon Gosselin was galavanting around after he and Kate separated, he was lambasted as well. Oh, wait, he's Asian, so he doesn't count, right?

If it's so illegal, why hasn't he been arrested? And please, spare me. Jon Gosselin was not blasted the way Tiger is. But I'm not really complaining because Gosselin is just somebody with a bunch of kids anyway. The same goes for Jane.

[MissU28]

If it's so illegal, why hasn't he been arrested? And please, spare me. Jon Gosselin was not blasted the way Tiger is. But I'm not really complaining because Gosselin is just somebody with a bunch of kids anyway. The same goes for Jane.

Who's Jane?

Really? Jon Gosselin was not blasted the way Tiger is?? I would say Jon got it WORSE....but maybe that's because I pay a lot of attention to celebrity stuff. He was on the front cover of US Weekly for WEEKS, if not MONTHS. You just think he wasn't treated similarly because it doesn't prove your opinion. The Gosselins were ALL over the tabloids.

And he hasn't been arrested because it's TECHNICALLY a misdemeanor but no one really follows through on those laws. Don't play so dumb.

[Forehead]

Charlie Sheen in trouble? That's a gig for Bean, and gigs mean trouble!!

[DjTj]

I've never said it's the only factor.

My argument is that race is always "A" factor. Always.Gender is also always "A" factor, and so is age and appearance and reputation. Heck, the day of the week a story breaks is always "A" factor, and the slow reaction to Sheen has as much to do with it happening on Christmas than anything else. The difference, I suppose, is that we don't have a bunch of threads pointing out how things would be different if Sheen were a woman (although sometimes we have those), or much older, or whatever ... people are fixated on race.


Gilbert Arenas own stupidity is largely to blame for the mess that he finds himself in. However, race is an important factor in the public reaction to it.

Tatooed black guys playing with guns is always going to scare the hell out of the mainstream media and the mainstream public.Why didn't David Stern come down hard on Delonte West?

http://sharing.fox54.com/sharewttg//photo/2009/09/18/act_delonte_west%5B1%5D_20090918161723_320_240.JPG

What color is he? The difference there isn't race as much as it is Gilbert's own actions, the actions of the Wizards, the fact that he is a bigger star, and the fact that it happened in the locker room. Race is "A" factor, but probably not even one of the five biggest factors.


His situation is just craziness. People are fascinated. I don't get what some of you don't get. When Jon Gosselin was galavanting around after he and Kate separated, he was lambasted as well. Oh, wait, he's Asian, so he doesn't count, right?Jon Gosselin is half-Asian, like Tiger. Charlie Sheen is Hispanic. White guys actually never get into any trouble at all.

[blue collar]

Who's Jane?

Really? Jon Gosselin was not blasted the way Tiger is?? I would say Jon got it WORSE....but maybe that's because I pay a lot of attention to celebrity stuff. He was on the front cover of US Weekly for WEEKS, if not MONTHS. You just think he wasn't treated similarly because it doesn't prove your opinion. The Gosselins were ALL over the tabloids.

And he hasn't been arrested because it's TECHNICALLY a misdemeanor but no one really follows through on those laws. Don't play so dumb.

Whatever. Adultry is illegal. That's news to me. Forgive me, her name is Kate.

[MissU28]

Whatever. Adultry is illegal. That's news to me. Forgive me, her name is Kate.

great rebuttal.

For the record, I was much more engrossed in the Jon and Kate scandal than the Tiger scandal. The Tiger scandal could have lasted a day and been news for a day, but women were coming out of the woodwork for days. I haven't read much about him in at least over a week. New hoochies have stopped coming out and dishing their dirt. People will get over it.

[Bang]

Whatever. Adultry is illegal. That's news to me. Forgive me, her name is Kate.

It actually is. In Maryland it carries less than a twenty dollar fine, but it IS illegal, or at least it was when I went through my divorce 10 years ago.

As far as Gosselin goes,, the only reason I even know who they are is because of the scandal and the fact that it was and still is tabloid fodder that can be read in any supermarket checkout lane nationwide on any day of any week since their story broke.
I've never seen their show, don't even know what channel it was on, but I know about lots of their marital problems by glancing at headlines every time I'm in the Giant.

~Bang

[zoony]

I've never said it's the only factor.

My argument is that race is always "A" factor. Always.

Gilbert Arenas own stupidity is largely to blame for the mess that he finds himself in. However, race is an important factor in the public reaction to it.

Tatooed black guys playing with guns is always going to scare the hell out of the mainstream media and the mainstream public.


Gender is also always "A" factor, and so is age and appearance and reputation. Heck, the day of the week a story breaks is always "A" factor, and the slow reaction to Sheen has as much to do with it happening on Christmas than anything else. The difference, I suppose, is that we don't have a bunch of threads pointing out how things would be different if Sheen were a woman (although sometimes we have those), or much older, or whatever ... people are fixated on race.




Two lawyers going at it now, should be interesting :munchout:

[blue collar]

It actually is. In Maryland it carries less than a twenty dollar fine, but it IS illegal, or at least it was when I went through my divorce 10 years ago.

~Bang

From what I've found out, it depends on the state you live. But anyway, it's not like he was caught sniffing cocaine or he held a knife to his wife's neck. Tiger's being railroaded for what a lot of these guys in his position have done. Even Bill Clinton didn't recieve this kind of scruntiny. O'Reilly anyone?

[Bang]

From what I've found out, it depends on the state you live. But anyway, it's not like he was caught sniffing cocaine or he held a knife to his wife's neck. Tiger's being railroaded for what a lot of these guys in his position have done. Even Bill Clinton didn't recieve this kind of scruntiny. O'Reilly anyone?

Clinton didn't receive this kind of scrutiny?
Are you serious?
Bill Clinton has a BENT PENIS. How do we know this? Is it something we found out because of his other duties? Do you know any details about any other presidential penis? How do we know Clinton had secret service agents pulling women for him when he was a governor? His infidelity is STILL the subject of jokes whenever his wife is in the news.
Oh, and he was IMPEACHED over it. Months and months of public hearings about a blowjob. His semen on a dress, preserved for everyone to see. Public statement after public statement after inteview after interview after interview. Has any other president ever had to lie to define "is" or what he considers sexual intercourse? They took away his power. Something that only two other Presidents have dealt with (I think it's only two)

You've just gone right off the deep end. Your credibility is gone.

~Bang

[DjTj]

Clinton didn't receive this kind of scrutiny?Bill Clinton was black.
Do you regret referring to Bill Clinton as the first black President?

Toni Morrison: People misunderstood that phrase. I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated, vis-à-vis the sex scandal that was surrounding him. I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp. I have no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race. http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1738303,00.html#ixzz0bwxI7yY9

[blue collar]

Clinton didn't receive this kind of scrutiny?
Are you serious?
Bill Clinton has a BENT PENIS. How do we know this? Is it something we found out because of his other duties? Do you know any details about any other presidential penis? How do we know Clinton had secret service agents pulling women for him when he was a governor? His infidelity is STILL the subject of jokes whenever his wife is in the news.
Oh, and he was IMPEACHED over it. Months and months of public hearings about a blowjob. His semen on a dress, preserved for everyone to see. Public statement after public statement after inteview after interview after interview. Has any other president ever had to lie to define "is" or what he considers sexual intercourse? They took away his power. Something that only two other Presidents have dealt with (I think it's only two)

You've just gone right off the deep end. Your credibility is gone.

~Bang

Was Clinton(a president I liked I might add) removed from office? Tiger stands to lose way more over this than Clinton has and it's not even near close. How much do you think Clinton gets for appearances? Any brand name would love to have Clinton endorse their product right now. Tiger will never again have the endorsement deals he once had. Never. And yeah, people still make jokes about Clinton, but no one really cares.

[Bang]

Was Clinton(a president I liked I might add) removed from office? Tiger stands to lose way more over this than Clinton has and it's not even near close. How much do you think Clinton gets for appearances? Any brand name would love to have Clinton endorse their product right now. Tiger will never again have the endorsement deals he once had. Never. And yeah, people still make jokes about Clinton, but no one really cares.

"Credibility gone" means credibility gone.
Next?

~Bang

[Major Harris]

Two lawyers going at it now, should be interesting :munchout:
logic vs. agenda. always fun. :munchout:

[blue collar]

"Credibility gone" means credibility gone.
Next?

~Bang

And who are you?

[Bang]

And who are you?

Someone who no longer respects your opinion on this matter.
I thought that was pretty clear. We can discuss anything else, but as far as this topic goes, I don't think you've got a clue. Clinton was put through a wringer so bad that it was a national embarrassment to us as a people. It adversely affected foreign relations, and was a flash point for how divided as a country we've become politically. His indiscretions damaged us all, and it was played out shamelessly, with no regard to how much egg we threw on our own faces. \
Seriously, the National Enquirer with a weekly story about the President of the United States DICK. It's as low as it gets.
That's a damn sight more than losing a couple of sponsorships.

~Bang

[blue collar]

Someone who no longer respects your opinion on this matter.
I thought that was pretty clear. We can discuss anything else, but as far as this topic goes, I don't think you've got a clue.

~Bang

The feeling is very mutural. Have a good day.

[Rdskns2000]

Charlie Sheen is in complete denial. Just watch his ABC interview- he's a complete loon. CBS should just move on and cancel the show.

[Duckus]

"I am not bi-polar, I am bi-winning." :ols: :ols:

[renaissance]

it's about the moments within the moments. lol

he's really skinny now.

[War Paint]

lol, I thought about this thread. I'm kind of mixed on my opinion. On one hand it's like "Charlie, chill out! Come on man!" On the other hand, he's banging hot chicks half his age, is loaded with wealth and seems to be enjoying it. How is that any different from rock stars? Yeah, he does seem cocky, but he's kind of like, "I like my lifestyle. I like to party. If you don't like it eff off".

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

this link deserves it's own thread... dont miss it

http://www.livethesheendream.com/

[War Paint]

"I am not bi-polar, I am bi-winning." :ols: :ols:

lmao, there is going to be a book of his one liners by the time this is over with haha.

[Destino]

Even Bill Clinton didn't recieve this kind of scruntiny.
Your memory is starting to fail you man. I'd be hard pressed to name anyone that got as much scrutiny as Bill Clinton. We knew literally ever detail of what went down. Parents were up in arms at the amount of adult themed front page headlines they literally couldn't keep their kids from seeing because they were everywhere all the time. It lasted for a long time too it wasn't like a week and then done, it was endless. We heard about cigars, the shape of his penis, the locations, secret service behavior during the affair all from MAJOR newspapers.

[Major Harris]

Your memory is starting to fail you man. I'd be hard pressed to name anyone that got as much scrutiny as Bill Clinton. We knew literally ever detail of what went down. Parents were up in arms at the amount of adult themed front page headlines they literally couldn't keep their kids from seeing because they were everywhere all the time. It lasted for a long time too it wasn't like a week and then done, it was endless. We heard about cigars, the shape of his penis, the locations, secret service behavior during the affair all from MAJOR newspapers.

i don't remember the shape of his penis, but i definitely agree with you that it was pretty well covered and scrutinized.

edit: i'm calling no tooc thread. lol

[Destino]

Was Clinton(a president I liked I might add) removed from office? Tiger stands to lose way more over this than Clinton has and it's not even near close. How much do you think Clinton gets for appearances? Any brand name would love to have Clinton endorse their product right now. Tiger will never again have the endorsement deals he once had. Never. And yeah, people still make jokes about Clinton, but no one really cares.
Was Tiger suspended from golf when I wasn't looking? Tiger's problem is that he's not a great golfer anymore. Clinton got caught and never lost his mojo which is why he still can do his thing. Tiger on the other hand can't win a game of rock paper scissors these days! Plus let's face it of all the men you've ever heard of getting caught cheating, how many appear to have been assaulted by their tiny wives? How many panic and crash the get-away car less than two houses down the street?

Tiger Woods is on punk watch.

[Sticksboi05]

Do you look back at your use and feel shame?

No, I'm proud, it was radical! I give people magic!

[fullnelson9999]

this link deserves it's own thread... dont miss it

http://www.livethesheendream.com/

Holy. ****.

[Destino]

edit: i'm calling no tooc thread. lol
lol:ols::ols::ols:

[ixcuincle]

At first I did not embrace Sheen

I was tired of the TMZ treatment of dude

His comical rants and misguided egotistical perceptions have changed my opinion though. "Bi-winning"

"F18 Bro"

"Defeat is not an option"

I mean who are you, a NFL coach or an actor

LOL

Either way, loving it

[Spartacus87]

lol, I thought about this thread. I'm kind of mixed on my opinion. On one hand it's like "Charlie, chill out! Come on man!" On the other hand, he's banging hot chicks half his age, is loaded with wealth and seems to be enjoying it. How is that any different from rock stars? Yeah, he does seem cocky, but he's kind of like, "I like my lifestyle. I like to party. If you don't like it eff off".
He's loaded up on drugs, he beats up the women he's in relationships with, and he's now obsessed with emphasizing to everyone how much he's "winning" and that he's a "rockstar from Mars."

I'm not a professional psychiatrist, but I'd bet that he's not nearly as genuinely happy with his life as he's making it out to be in these interviews. Seems more like he's just really overcompensating for something.

[deejaydana]

Man, he looks really, really haggard in those recent interviews. Almost like he hasn't slept for days and weeks. Oh, wait he hasn't. Get this man some help.

[mboyd784]

Joaquin Phoenix, this is how it's done.

[Henry]

I never pay attention to tabloid fodder but I have to admit I cannot look away from the Charlie Sheen train wreck. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.

[sherrardsd]

Joaquin Phoenix, this is how it's done.

Haha, this is EXACTLY what i thought as I was watching the 20/20 special tonight.

[Skin'emAlive]

Joaquin Phoenix, this is how it's done.

!!!!!!!!! I didnt even think about that. Well done sir!

---------- Post added March-2nd-2011 at 03:35 AM ----------

" Im so tired of pretending my life isnt perfect and bitchin! " hahaha

[Bibby]

winning...

[Burgold]

Someone who no longer respects your opinion on this matter.
I thought that was pretty clear. We can discuss anything else, but as far as this topic goes, I don't think you've got a clue. Clinton was put through a wringer so bad that it was a national embarrassment to us as a people.

Have to agree with Bang here. Clinton was scrutinized and put through such a gauntlet that George W. Bush won... TWICE. He beat Clinton's successor despite a strong economy, peace in the world, and prosperity. One of Bush's main campaign arguments was "cleaning up Washington" and getting rid of the corruption (meaning the Clintons and everyone who had anything to do with them) and a lot of people who would normally would have voted for Gore voted Bush on that basis or stayed home. For six years, Bush skated without any Republican criticism at all and everything was blamed on Clinton.

My guess is that you don't remember the degree of insanity because you were just too young. That was ten years ago and you may have been in elementary school at that point. You were luckily shielded from a lot of it.

Think of it though, Clinton was so hated and despised at the time that Bush became an acceptable choice as President. Bush who went AWOL, was a failed baseball owner, was a poor governor for Texas, and really had nothing behind his name except for his name. Sure, Gore ran an absolutely boring and uninspired campaign, but Geez...

[Bang]

I admit I'm enjoying watching this flaming wreckage as it spins around.
However, seeing those two barely-out-of-high-school girls he's sleeping with... that gave me the shudders.

~Bang

[MattFancy]

That interview last night was epic. Charlie Sheen is a total trainwreck but he is still WINNING!!!

[Bang]

I think my favorite line of all of them has been when the guy on Today (or whichever show) asked him if he was clean,, and he did that "look at me" shtick.
I about fell out of my chair.
Dude looks like he just tooted up an 8-ball before they turned on the camera.

~Bang

[dockeryfan]

I admit I'm enjoying watching this flaming wreckage as it spins around.
However, seeing those two barely-out-of-high-school girls he's sleeping with... that gave me the shudders.

~Bang

I actually don't care about the age difference at all. 45 sleeping with a 20yo? Go for it if it makes you smile.

But the abusing and threatening of women? Yeah that's bat-shat crazy right there. I think he shot one of his wives once, correct? The guy's is a nut job, and way too misogynistic if you ask me. If someone has multiple restraining orders, that's someone I'll just pass on thank you.

[Forehead]

You know, if we were going to have a death pool this year (I'm not suggesting it since there's already a Babe Draft and a Mock GM Draft going on) I think Charlie Sheen would have to be a Top-5 choice at this point.

[MattFancy]

You know, if we were going to have a death pool this year (I'm not suggesting it since there's already a Babe Draft and a Mock GM Draft going on) I think Charlie Sheen would have to be a Top-5 choice at this point.

He can't die, "dying is for fools", plus he has tiger blood so he's fine.

[dockeryfan]

F-18s cannot die

[SKOALSKIN]

Because Charlie is awesome. He is what he is. He's never hid from his party past or denied anything. I'd hardly consider Brooke Muller to be credible. She's a crack addict just like "good time." As for the hotel incident, that porn star obviously stole his 200k watch (prolly thought it was some bull**** rollex). Charlie is pushing himself to the edge and past it. I don't think we've approached the clif yet, but I love him he's a true American hero and role model.

[edgun88]

ETA of Charlie Sheen's death? I'll give him a year.

[Bang]

I think the original question is moot by now.. he's definitely been put out as a freak show by anyone who can get a camera or a microphone on him.

~Bang

[War Paint]

I admit I'm enjoying watching this flaming wreckage as it spins around.
However, seeing those two barely-out-of-high-school girls he's sleeping with... that gave me the shudders.

~Bang

They are in their 20's. Bree Olson is 24.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

For whatever reason, violence against women does not get the same emotional response from people as other bad behaviors unless there is some graphic photographic evidence a la Chris Brown.

Mel Gibson was already persona non grata when his threatening phone calls came out. But I would guess that the negative press for his drunk driving/anti-Semitic rant was far larger than his rant against his girlfriend.

You could probably get a better answer for this from a tenured professor in the Women's Studies Dept at Brown.

I do think that celebrities who are violent against women get a pass because of a societal belief that "These women were looking for a pay day" or "These women knew what they were getting into."

Look at the way Dennis Hopper was treated at death. He was a woman beater for 50 years and no one really cared.

[Forehead]

Man...I was curious as to who Charlie Sheen's women were...DO NOT GOOGLE BREE OLSON AT WORK PEOPLE!!! dammit.

[rictus58]

Look at the way Dennis Hopper was treated at death. He was a woman beater for 50 years and no one really cared.

That's totally because he was white.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

That's totally because he was white.

You could probably make a case there is a racial element to this. Ike Turner and Chris Brown versus Charlie Sheen and Dennis Hopper. You could certainly make a case that a black star would not be getting the latitude that Sheen has in his career.

Then again, Jim Brown and Wesley Snipes could apparently beat women senseless with little damage to their reputations so maybe not.

It does blow my mind that Charlie Sheen shot a woman once and that rarely if ever gets mentioned.

[More Complete]

Hello? Winning!

[No Excuses]

Tiger blood homie. :beavisnbutthead:

[Chachie]

It does blow my mind that Charlie Sheen shot a woman once and that rarely if ever gets mentioned.


He's definitely getting off easy then because I never heard of this. Wow.

[Thiebear]

People that make a million+ for 22minutes of work always have it better than those of us that work 12hours a day for a fraction of a fraction. I think its been written down since the beginning of time somewhere.

I hadn't heard of the wife shooting.. Though i didn't know he was married and had kids that were taken away either.
He's an alcoholic rich kid from birth with no morals... were shocked hes always in trouble.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

He's definitely getting off easy then because I never heard of this. Wow.

He shot Kelly Preston when they were engaged. You would think that John Travolta could have some of his Scientology Commando Squads take care of this.

[dockeryfan]

He shot Kelly Preston when they were engaged. You would think that John Travolta could have some of his Scientology Commando Squads take care of this.

You know they did. They hooked Preston up to an E meter and removed all the bad joo joo from her.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

His history of violence against women is staggering.

-Shot Kelly Preston in the arm in 1990
-Settled out of court with a UCLA student who alleged he struck her when she refused to have sex him in 1995.
- A woman goes to the hospital with a busted lip that she claims she received from Sheen. He posted $20,000 bail.
-Assaulted girlfriend Britney Ashland in 1996. Received two years probation.
-Allegedly beat up Denise Richards and threatened to kill here. Restraining order filed in 2006.
-Held a knife to Brooke Mueller's throat and strangled her in 2009.
-Choked the escort he hired at the Plaza Hotel in 2010.

This does not include his relationship with Ginger Lynn or his involvement with Heidi Fleiss or whatever the hell he is doing with Bree Olsen. It seems like he does not get arrested for abuse when he dates porn stars and hookers - possibly because deeply damaged women don't fight back or call attention to it.

So, that's at least seven on the record incidents of violence against women, one high profile involvement with a bordello, and several relationships with porn stars. The only logical conclusion is that Charlie Sheen hates women and that it is a minor miracle that he has not killed one yet.

[zoony]

who was his mom? What's her deal? Frued would have a field day.

[War Paint]

You could probably make a case there is a racial element to this. Ike Turner and Chris Brown versus Charlie Sheen and Dennis Hopper. You could certainly make a case that a black star would not be getting the latitude that Sheen has in his career.

Then again, Jim Brown and Wesley Snipes could apparently beat women senseless with little damage to their reputations so maybe not.

It does blow my mind that Charlie Sheen shot a woman once and that rarely if ever gets mentioned.

Wow, I've never heard about him shooting anyone.

I just looked it up. It was ruled an accident.

"I put my .22 in the pocket of my pants when I went to check it out. I forgot about the gun, left my pants in the bathroom, and the next evening Kelly was moving my clothes when the pistol went off." (Source: Orange County Register)

That's supposedly what happened anyways.

[Destino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aSa4tmVNM

If you haven't seen that you HAVE to watch it. It's amazing.

"droopy eyed armless children"