I hate Conference Championship Sunday.

[MontanaSkins]

18 years since our Skins have been to this round and today is a horrible reminder how they haven't come close to getting back to the Super Bowl.

I am getting a touch more bitter towards other teams every year.

[skinfan2k]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL

[GIBBS LIVES]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL

It obviously DOES take alot because we haven't been their in Eons.


The Jets have a great defense and a real, between the tackles, running game. When was the last time you saw that from us???

[Hitman#21]

Well said 2K, anythings possible from year to year.

[GIBBS LIVES]

Well said 2K, anythings possible from year to year.



In case you didn't know, the Jets did win 9 games last season. They are not an overnite sensation.

[skinfan2k]

It obviously DOES take alot because we haven't been their in Eons.


The Jets have a great defense and a real, between the tackles, running game. When was the last time you saw that from us???

2005 and end of 2007. We finally have a legit modern coach and not a joke running the front office.

[GIBBS LIVES]

2005 and end of 2007. We finally have a legit modern coach and not a joke running the front office.

Portis has never been a real between the tackles runningback. That's been one of the problems.

Portis has been a RB that gets taken down by fist tackles. Portis is all fluf and will be jettisoned very soon.

[4skins23]

2005 and end of 2007. We finally have a legit modern coach and not a joke running the front office.


Better bite your tongue. Coaches and Front office hasn't done anything yet to help this team. They are still the 4-12 team of a few weeks ago.

[kvarlo12000]

Shanahan has not stayed in the leauge this long by being boneheaded like the other coaches we have had around here.

[MontanaSkins]

I should clear one thing up. 364 days a year I am the biggest kool aid drinking homer around. But today is my yearly pity party. I like everyone else here put a lot of emotional investment in this team and I think we are due some pay off.

[SWFLSkins]

I love championship Sunday, those teams deserve it and I will enjoy the games. Besides Dallas is not there either.

[GIBBS LIVES]

I should clear one thing up. 364 days a year I am the biggest kool aid drinking homer around. But today is my yearly pity party. I like everyone else here put a lot of emotional investment in this team and I think we are due some pay off.

True dat.

Hopefully with the hiring of Shanny, our ship has finally came in.

[ixcuincle]

Good day today, the Skins are not participating but these teams usually show up and provide some entertainment

Speaking of Skins and Championship Sunday

AW8aXD9I300

[SWFLSkins]

I should clear one thing up. 364 days a year I am the biggest kool aid drinking homer around. But today is my yearly pity party. I like everyone else here put a lot of emotional investment in this team and I think we are due some pay off.

Based on that formula it will be the JETS vs. the Saints in the SuperBowl.

[smitity]

No Dallas and no Ravens (both got CREAMED last week too :)), so this sunday isn't as bad as it could have been.

Always look on the bright side

[Ashburn Dave]

Better bite your tongue. Coaches and Front office hasn't done anything yet to help this team. They are still the 4-12 team of a few weeks ago.

We are not even close to the 4-12 Jim Zorn team. We now have true leadership and our coaching IQ has doubled.

[Santana_89]

Well said 2K, anythings possible from year to year.
Indeed it is.


I love championship Sunday, those teams deserve it and I will enjoy the games. Besides Dallas is not there either.


Not to mention no Philly or Giants:D.

I'm actually kinda torn on one hand I would love to see Gregg Williams/Brunell get a shot at a SB ring(London Fletcher would get into the Pro Bowl as well,which he should be without the Saints having to win).
Then it would be nice to see Brett Favre make it back to the SB at age 40 with the best season of his career. Whoever wins between these two I hope wins it all.


I'm sick of Rex Ryan..I liked him better when he didn't talk so much. I like Peyton but I'd rather see Favre or Brees win the ring this year.

As a Redskins fan hopefully there won't be but maybe another 2 years of rooting for other teams.Maybe in 2012-13 WE can ROOT for our team to win it all baby!!

[4skins23]

Shanahan has not stayed in the leauge this long by being boneheaded like the other coaches we have had around here.


He hasn't been in the league as you say. He was fired then working as a sportscaster. In that case maybe Terry Howie or Jimmy would do just as well as our new HC!

With that being said, are we in for Shanny 2.0 just the same as Gibbs 2.0? A HC that is afraid to be agressive?

[zskins]

18 years since our Skins have been to this round and today is a horrible reminder how they haven't come close to getting back to the Super Bowl.

I am getting a touch more bitter towards other teams every year.

In 2005 we were in the Divisional Playoffs and lost to the seachucks or else we would have been in Conf. Championship. So that was like 5 years ago.

We are not that far being back in it again. :)

[4skins23]

We are not even close to the 4-12 Jim Zorn team. We now have true leadership and our coaching IQ has doubled.


I'll agree to the coaching only. However, it is still the same leader-less, bunch of quitters that went 4-12 a few weeks ago. They have leaders in coaches but none on the field. That is why this team quit. That is why in part,this team went 4-12. NO leaders ON the field.

[Darth Tater]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL
Are the Jets truly a Cinderella team? In 2006, they were a 10 win team. Last season, they went 9-7 also and have many of the same people back. If you look at the Jets for the whole decade, they certainly weren't bad for the most part.

Cinderella's are like the Rams in 1999 who hadn't even been at least 500 for 10 years. Maybe the Dolphins who went 1-15 following a 10 loss season before turning it around. The Cardinals who went 10 years without even a sniff of the playoffs until last year and played in their first championship game since before I was born, before my parents had even met. The Jets have either been in the playoffs or got a sniff of them 7 out of the last 10 years!

[Darth Tater]

2005 and end of 2007. We finally have a legit modern coach and not a joke running the front office.

The first half of 2008 and, although spotty and not in-sync, a couple of times this year.

[Darth Tater]

Portis has never been a real between the tackles runningback. That's been one of the problems.

Portis has been a RB that gets taken down by fist tackles. Portis is all fluf and will be jettisoned very soon.

So, you must not have watched any games.

[Santana_89]

Better bite your tongue. Coaches and Front office hasn't done anything yet to help this team. They are still the 4-12 team of a few weeks ago.


I disagree. We've already made some significant coaching changes
that make us better already. Once Shanny/Allen start to revamp the roster,I expect a far better product than 4-12. Not saying it will be above .500 and superbowl contenders,but loads better than the 2008-2009 Redskins for sure.



Mike Shanahan (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Mike_Shanahan.jsp) Executive Vice President/Head Coach... a damn good coach

Kyle Shanahan (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Kyle_Shanahan.jsp) Offensive Coordinator....an actual coordinator with NFL experince

Jim Haslett (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Jim_Haslett.jsp) Defensive Coordinator...great d coordinator

Bobby Turner (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Bobby_Turner.jsp) Assistant Head Coach/Running Backs... the best in the business look at his entire body of work

Matt LaFleur (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Matt_LaFleur.jsp) Quarterbacks...seems like an nice addition plus he's young

Chris Foerster (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Chris_Foerster.jsp) Offensive Line... we'll have to see about this one as well

Jon Embree (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Jon_Embree.jsp) Tight Ends..resume is okay he coached Tony Gonzalez a few years
Jacob Burney (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Jacob_Burney.jsp) Defensive Line...heard good things about him as well

Lou Spanos (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Lou_Spanos.jsp) Linebackers...his pedigree is intriguing

Bob Slowik (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Bob_Slowik.jsp) Defensive Backs.... from what I've heard from Broncos fans/players he's damn good

Steve Jackson (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Steve_Jackson.jsp) Safeties...:mad: I'm going to trust Shanny on this one

Kirk Olivadotti (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Kirk_Olivadotti.jsp) Defensive Assistant...like KO as well he's a keeper

Danny Smith (http://www.redskins.com/gen/coaches/Danny_Smith.jsp) Special Teams Coordinator..I like Danny glad he's staying

[icbmayday]

You hate it..........FOOOL lol
You must not like football then
I love the skins with all my heart but today is going to be some good football....hopefully

[grhqofb5]

http://bluebuddies.com/smurf_fun/smurf_personality_test/jpg/Grouchy_Smurf.jpg

[Ned Flanders]

Speaking of Skins and Championship Sunday



God I miss JKC......that was an owner who had it all

Thanks for posting that link

[skinfan2k]

We have probably a top innovative genius running our team and will cater plays to our players not vice versa. Saunders and Zorn tried to implement schemes that this team couldn't handle. Shanny will not do that I bet u that. Just with him we are a 7 win team by default

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

at least it means that its almost next season...just looking on the bright side. Not to mention, the Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants are watching like us...

[DCranon21]

Good vid right there ix. Memories.


Here is another memory on Championship Sunday(think this game was actually played on a Saturday)

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[lucky*13]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL

It's so watered down that the redskins have not been close for 18 years,haha..

[The Full Monty]

In 2005 we were in the Divisional Playoffs and lost to the seachucks or else we would have been in Conf. Championship. So that was like 5 years ago.

We are not that far being back in it again. :)
Although Brunell was physically useless by that point - if frickin Carlos Rogers hadn't dropped that pick 6 it would've been momentum for our side argggh

[Santana_89]

http://bluebuddies.com/smurf_fun/smurf_personality_test/jpg/Grouchy_Smurf.jpg
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:


good one

[GIBBS LIVES]

So, you must not have watched any games.

That's why Shanny's going to get rid of him. Speaks for itself. You don't know what your talking about. Portis was only healthy one season out of six at the end of the year.

How did Portis do in playoffs games? He sucked. He's never healthy at the end of the regular season so subsequently, he never performed in the post season.

What would John Riggins have been if he didn't perform in the post season Einstein? :doh: You obviously don't know real RB when you see them.

[Riggins77]

He hasn't been in the league as you say. He was fired then working as a sportscaster. In that case maybe Terry Howie or Jimmy would do just as well as our new HC!

With that being said, are we in for Shanny 2.0 just the same as Gibbs 2.0? A HC that is afraid to be agressive?

Do you even understand the difference in Gibbs 2.0 vs Shanny 2.0? I really don't think that you do or you wouldn't have made this post. So, since you are out of tune, let me break it down for you.

Gibbs 1.0 ended in 1992 in a completely different era than the modern day NFL. Back then, you could win games playing not to lose with an excellent running game and decent defense/passing game.

Gibbs 2.0 started in 2004, twelve (12) years after the first stint. Do you realize how much the game changed since then? Did we make the playoffs twice under Gibbs 2.0, yes. Were we anywhere close to a contender, no.

Shanny 1.0 ended in December of 2008 where he spent the last 14 years as a head coach in the NFL.

Shanny 2.0 started in January 2010 with the Redskins. He has been out of coaching for one (1) year and continued to watch and break down game tapes/film the entire year as he knew he would land another head coaching job.

This is nothing like being removed for 12 years to casually watch football while building a NASCAR team. Also, do you care to back your statement that Shanny is not aggressive? I seem to remember him taking shots down the field and producing top 10 offenses year in and out. :doh:

[FunBunch7]

It obviously DOES take alot because we haven't been their in Eons.


The Jets have a great defense and a real, between the tackles, running game. When was the last time you saw that from us???

Look at the Cardinals run last year...Edge was "okay"...but their defense isn't as good as ours...

The Jets were 4-12 two years ago...

None of the final 4 Conference Championship participants even won a playoff game last year...

We could be at the top in no time at all...

...so could the Lions...so could the Browns...so could the Rams...this is the nature of the NFL nowadays

[Ashburn Dave]

I'll agree to the coaching only. However, it is still the same leader-less, bunch of quitters that went 4-12 a few weeks ago. They have leaders in coaches but none on the field. That is why this team quit. That is why in part,this team went 4-12. NO leaders ON the field.

I have faith that Shanny will find some leaders in our current locker room and bring in some others either through the draft or free agency that will turn into leaders too.

We can only hope that he figures out who the real quitters where and flushes them too.

[ciresolstice]

No Dallas and no Ravens (both got CREAMED last week too :)), so this sunday isn't as bad as it could have been.

Always look on the bright side


That's how I feel! I'm kinda sick of Who Dat though now. :silly:

[Ashburn Dave]

Do you even understand the difference in Gibbs 2.0 vs Shanny 2.0? I really don't think that you do or you wouldn't have made this post. So, since you are out of tune, let me break it down for you.

Gibbs 1.0 ended in 1992 in a completely different era than the modern day NFL. Back then, you could win games playing not to lose with an excellent running game and decent defense/passing game.

Gibbs 2.0 started in 2004, twelve (12) years after the first stint. Do you realize how much the game changed since then? Did we make the playoffs twice under Gibbs 2.0, yes. Were we anywhere close to a contender, no.

Shanny 1.0 ended in December of 2008 where he spent the last 14 years as a head coach in the NFL.

Shanny 2.0 started in January 2010 with the Redskins. He has been out of coaching for one (1) year and continued to watch and break down game tapes/film the entire year as he knew he would land another head coaching job.

This is nothing like being removed for 12 years to casually watch football while building a NASCAR team. Also, do you care to back your statement that Shanny is not aggressive? I seem to remember him taking shots down the field and producing top 10 offenses year in and out. :doh:

You beat me to this.

Gibbs 2.0 vs Shanny 2.0 is not even close by 1 thousand miles.

[RememberOsaka]

I can feel the pain. Since Dan Snyder bought the Skins in 1999, only 4 of the 16 teams in the NFC have failed to play in an NFC Championship Game.

Redskins
Cowboys
49ers
Lions

How's that for a decade plus of incompetence?

Note: Since Snyder has owned the team the Eagles have appeared in 5 NFC Title Games and the Giants in 2.

[Bubble Screen]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL

This is how I feel. I even mentioned this to a co-worker the other day. We don't have as good a defense as they do. But we're only a piece or two from having a top flight defense. And we could very well start a rookie next year. We don't really have a great running game though. And that's what makes it all work for the Jets. But Shanahan could get that area turned around. Just need some big uglies up front.

[GIBBS LIVES]

Look at the Cardinals run last year...Edge was "okay"...but their defense isn't as good as ours...

The Jets were 4-12 two years ago...

None of the final 4 Conference Championship participants even won a playoff game last year...

We could be at the top in no time at all...

...so could the Lions...so could the Browns...so could the Rams...this is the nature of the NFL nowadays

And did the Cardinals win anything last year??

And 3 out of the 4 had their QB's in place too right?? We need to get our QB situation resolved because most likely, until that's done, we don't have a realistic shot at winning.

You see, I'm not interested in just "being in the hunt". I want to win it.

"being in the hunt" is for organazations not used to wining championships.

Go ask the Yankees, The Steelers, The 49ers,..teams that have won are not just happy to "be in the hunt".

[Hiro]

He hasn't been in the league as you say. He was fired then working as a sportscaster. In that case maybe Terry Howie or Jimmy would do just as well as our new HC!

With that being said, are we in for Shanny 2.0 just the same as Gibbs 2.0? A HC that is afraid to be agressive?
Shanahan's only been out of football for ONE year. During that ONE year, he has had a coaching office set up, has studied film and kept up to the date on what's been happening in the league.

Shanahan is a different case from Gibbs 2.0. Keep in mind that the current Super Bowl winning coach, Tom Coughlin, was out of a football for a year before he was hired by New York, after being fired from Jacksonville the year before. I think if anything, that's a better comparison than a Shanahan/Gibbs comparison.

[Redskins4ever]

Things are going to get better with the Redskins. It's just a matter of time. They are headed in the right direction.

[FunBunch7]

And did the Cardinals win anything last year??

And 3 out of the 4 had their QB's in place too right?? We need to get our QB situation resolved because most likely, until that's done, we don't have a realistic shot at winning.

You see, I'm not interested in just "being in the hunt". I want to win it.

"being in the hunt" is for organazations not used to wining championships.

Go ask the Yankees, The Steelers, The 49ers,..teams that have won are not just happy to "be in the hunt".

The Cardinals were one Big Ben to Santonio Holmes drive away form winning it all...I only wish the Redskins were in THAT position a couple times in the next 5 years.

And although I DO remember vividly the "Glory Years", we as a fan base are not "used to" being in the hunt...

As great as Peyton Manning is...the Colts have only won a single Super Bowl with him...that could change in 2 weeks...but the thing about the Colts, Steelers, Patriots, Eagles...they are always " in the hunt".

Think of it like this...MOST of the time...Peyton Manning fails...MOST of the time, Tom Brady fails...MOST of the time, Ben Roethilsberger fails...but these guys are ALWAYS IN THE HUNT...and they have each won their share...

All I'm saying..."Shanny, get us in the hunt...I'll take the law of averages..."

[Chicken Fried]

Same. But I still want Brett Favre to finish well.

[GIBBS LIVES]

The Cardinals were one Big Ben to Santonio Holmes drive away form winning it all...I only wish the Redskins were in THAT position a couple times in the next 5 years.

And although I DO remember vividly the "Glory Years", we as a fan base are not "used to" being in the hunt...

As great as Peyton Manning is...the Colts have only won a single Super Bowl with him...that could change in 2 weeks...but the thing about the Colts, Steelers, Patriots, Eagles...they are always " in the hunt".

Think of it like this...MOST of the time...Peyton Manning fails...MOST of the time, Tom Brady fails...MOST of the time, Ben Roethilsberger fails...but these guys are ALWAYS IN THE HUNT...and they have each won their share...

All I'm saying..."Shanny, get us in the hunt...I'll take the law of averages..."


Gotcha. Walk before you can run. I get it. Well, if we want that, the teams you mentioned have their franchise QB in place. And that what we need also. Hopefully Bradford or Clausen will be evaluated as such by Shanny. If not, then we build the lines like we used to have back in the glory days.

[CM916]

London Fletcher is in the Pro Bowl now, right?

[Chicken Fried]

****! I hate the Saints. All of their games are rigged.

[6DaveButz5]

The Saints fans bugged me at FedEx this year. All that Who Dat crap.

[GIBBS LIVES]

The Saints fans bugged me at FedEx this year. All that Who Dat crap.

Come on guys. Let them have their moment. They've NEVER had anything like this. Be happy for them.

[lucky*13]

Come on guys. Let them have their moment. They've NEVER had anything like this. Be happy for them.

I'm happy for the saints and the city of New Oreleans....But i wanted favre to have a better ending to his Great career,maybe he will play one more season..

[redskins55]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL

The Jets remind me of the 2005 Redskins. Ball control offense with occasional big play material and a stingy defense.

I still remember how Carlos Rogers dropped that sure fire pick 6 of that divisional game. We could've got up on the seahawks early and never looked back. I still believe we beat the Panthers to go to the SB, but regardless we wouldve been in the NFC Championship game.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Come on guys. Let them have their moment. They've NEVER had anything like this. Be happy for them.

I'll be blunt....**** them.

They've never given a **** about that team until recently. I hope the Colts blow them away in the Super Bowl. I'm going to boo every Saints fan I see walking around down here for the next two weeks.

[Grimm]

I couldn't even bring myself to watch, seems like the season has been over forever, once the Skins are done I lose serious interest.

[pjfootballer]

God I miss JKC......that was an owner who had it all

Thanks for posting that link

I loved JKC, but he was full of hot air most of the time:D. I say that with a chuckle because I loved him as an owner, but his postgame or pregame interviews were a riot to watch because most people had no friggin idea what he was talking about. :laugh:

[pjfootballer]

...so could the Lions...so could the Browns...so could the Rams...this is the nature of the NFL nowadays

I don't know about the Lions. I think the curse of Bobby Layne will be with them for a while.:evilg::D

[pjfootballer]

And did the Cardinals win anything last year??

And 3 out of the 4 had their QB's in place too right?? We need to get our QB situation resolved because most likely, until that's done, we don't have a realistic shot at winning.

You see, I'm not interested in just "being in the hunt". I want to win it.

"being in the hunt" is for organazations not used to wining championships.

Go ask the Yankees, The Steelers, The 49ers,..teams that have won are not just happy to "be in the hunt".

I do agree with you that the goal is to bring home a Lombardi. But if the last 18 years taught me anything, I'd love to be "in the hunt" at this point. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be like the Eagles and never win, more like the Colts, who may not always win it, but with Manning, you know you'll at least make the playoffs. It was that way in the 80's. I didn't mind losing playoff games (it sucked), but you always knew we'd be in it the next year. I think we need to take baby steps and get back to respectability first. Then I'll take in the hunt. Then we contend.

[clarkskin]

Do you even understand the difference in Gibbs 2.0 vs Shanny 2.0? I really don't think that you do or you wouldn't have made this post. So, since you are out of tune, let me break it down for you.

Gibbs 1.0 ended in 1992 in a completely different era than the modern day NFL. Back then, you could win games playing not to lose with an excellent running game and decent defense/passing game.

Gibbs 2.0 started in 2004, twelve (12) years after the first stint. Do you realize how much the game changed since then? Did we make the playoffs twice under Gibbs 2.0, yes. Were we anywhere close to a contender, no.

Shanny 1.0 ended in December of 2008 where he spent the last 14 years as a head coach in the NFL.

Shanny 2.0 started in January 2010 with the Redskins. He has been out of coaching for one (1) year and continued to watch and break down game tapes/film the entire year as he knew he would land another head coaching job.

This is nothing like being removed for 12 years to casually watch football while building a NASCAR team. Also, do you care to back your statement that Shanny is not aggressive? I seem to remember him taking shots down the field and producing top 10 offenses year in and out. :doh:


Care to back up your statements about Gibbs 1.0? Go back and look at numbers. He didn't "play not to lose" with an "excellent running game and decent passing game." That is an all too common misperception. Look at the year before he retired--our last Super Bowl. They scored a league high 485 pts. You don't do that "playing not to lose." Plus, the passing game was ranked 5th in the NFL, and the running game 7th. The defense was ranked second, and gave up only 224 pts. Go back and look throughout his tenure and you'll see that more often than not, his passing game was ranked in the top 10. Usually higher than the run. To sum up his career saying that he was able to "play not to lose" is an insult to a HOF'er.

You can make stupid generalizations all you want, but you might want to actually know something about what you are talking about first.

[scruffylookin]

Portis has never been a real between the tackles runningback. That's been one of the problems.

Portis has been a RB that gets taken down by fist tackles. Portis is all fluf and will be jettisoned very soon.

You have no clue what you're talking about do you?

If I really gave a damn I would go over each and every game with you, and other like minded nimrods, that Clinton has played as a member of the Redskins. If we did that you would find how Clinton made the Oline look a hell of alot better than they deserved with his shifty moves in traffic that netted extra yards that simply were not there if an average back had been running.

As for the subject of the thread, it really is amazing how pathetic the Redskins have been for twenty years now. To never have even made a title game appearence is a feat reserved for the bottom dwelling organizations and unfortunately that is exactly what we've been since 1993.

[APSkinIt]

Anything can happen next year.

[DaMuller7]

I should clear one thing up. 364 days a year I am the biggest kool aid drinking homer around. But today is my yearly pity party. I like everyone else here put a lot of emotional investment in this team and I think we are due some pay off.

I'm right there with you bro... I put a lot of effort into loving this team but then get let down by disappointment, but somehow and someway I'll keep investing a lot of my emotion into them.

[artmonkforHOF]

Just look at the Jets and think the redskins could be that Cinderella team next year.. It doesn't take long to get back to the top in this watered down NFL

don't start with that crap, that is how we got into this mess in the first place, thinking we where only 1 player away from turning things around. The rebuilding of this team will take time to do it properly. any success this team has in the near future should be considered a bonus, not part of the overall plan.

If you go into an offseason with a cinderella mentality, you are playing for next season only, and you might get everything right and be successful, or more likely, one tiny thing goes wrong and then everything starts to spin out of control.

If you decide that you are going to build a good team, which the Skins are far from that point right now, then you dont need the stars to align just right for 1 season, you will be prepared to be competitive for many year to come, then once you lose a NFC championship because your D line or O line sucks, or dont have good enough pass catchers, or need better LB's, then taht is the time to start filling holes with free agents.

[Timmy Smith]

Here's how I always look at it. The Redskins have 3 Super Bowl titles and 5 NFL championships. That puts us in an elite group of franchises in the NFL (Pittsburgh, Dallas, San Francisco, etc.) and as long as no other team either catches up to us, or puts more distance between us and them, I'm happy. Thank God Dallas pooped the bed in Minnesota, for example... and that the Steelers aren't going for a 7th Super Bowl. Sure, I'll be jealous of the Saints if they win, but they haven't won anything in their history, so they can have their first Super Bowl. The Colts, however...

[Rodriggo]

I don't know, I feel pretty positive.

Considering the Jets, Vikings, built something literally overnight and the Saints being able to exist in a city that is still rebuilding itself five years after Katrina, you have to be positive about our chances to get better with everything we have going for us.

We strike gold with one or two players and we could really take off now that our coach's previous work experience is considerably more than just "Matt Hasselbeck's personal trainer" and our GM is not Snyder's *** monkey.

[GIBBS LIVES]

You have no clue what you're talking about do you?

If I really gave a damn I would go over each and every game with you, and other like minded nimrods, that Clinton has played as a member of the Redskins. If we did that you would find how Clinton made the Oline look a hell of alot better than they deserved with his shifty moves in traffic that netted extra yards that simply were not there if an average back had been running.

As for the subject of the thread, it really is amazing how pathetic the Redskins have been for twenty years now. To never have even made a title game appearence is a feat reserved for the bottom dwelling organizations and unfortunately that is exactly what we've been since 1993.

You have no real knowledge of football whatsoever. Your the type of guy who goes for fluff over substance. Which has been the problem of this organazation for a decade. Falling in love with "name" players instead of guys who really produce on a consistant basis.

Numnuts like yourself can't see that Portis hasn't ever ran well between the tackles and out of six years with the redskins, he ended the season healthy just ONCE!!!!!!!!!!

When Shanahan traded him, he sited the fact that Portis couldn't stay healthy anymore. And when Shanahan ships Portis out of here again, it will be further afermation of how light in the loafers Portis really is.

Shanahan says that Portis was an injury prone RB. Are you going to argue with him too? It's fluff minded posters like you that keep the redskin empire weak.