ESPN: Kiper's 'Grade A' Draft -- Redskins

[Riggo#44]

Interesting take...I would much rather have Charles Brown in the 2nd. We have so many holes though...

As much as getting Jahvid Best would be initially exciting, that would be a Cerrato move, and the thought of going into next year with the same gawdawful line gives me nightmares...

Link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4845729


Washington Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was)
Top needs: QB, OT, RB, G, DE
First round (4): Sam Bradford (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25545)
Second-round options (37): OT Charles Brown (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25649), OT Selvish Capers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25681), RB Jahvid Best
Third-round options: No third-round picks (used in the supplemental draft)
Summary: For a roster that really needs an infusion of talent and depth, you could question the quarterback pick so early, but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped. You expect Mike Shanahan to retool the offensive line, and both Brown and Capers are the athletic types Shanahan prefers.

[Brotherz]

Why is DE a priority? Is there an assumption that since we might be going 3-4 we are getting rid of carter? We used our 3rd this year on Jarmon. Same question for RB. Does this assume we are moving portis? We have portis, betts, ganther. With the obvious holes at offensive line, the need to shore up the secondary depending on what they are doing with Carlos, etc I just don't see us using our limited number of picks on things like defensive ends and running backs. I see QB, OT, OT, G, CB. G as making much more sense. Although I suppose what we do in free agency can change some of this.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

This should be interesting given those that have repeatedly argued you can't take a QB at 4 and follow it with a tackle of sufficient quality in the high second.

Hail.

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

If we want Lt first I be all over picking best second

[STBonecrusher21]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)

[jsharrin55]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)

I am torn, but could be happy with Bradford. I also really like the idea of Capers in the 2nd (although, I thought he was more of a RT from something I read).

It would be a big step in the right direction.

[jsharrin55]

If we want Lt first I be all over picking best second

Yeah, Bradford/Best (without getting other picks) would end up with both of them getting injured again (and again).

[Soup]

I don't mind taking Bradford but I'm sure he will slip a few spots, I'm hoping they will trade out and still get bradford. I really like charles brown, raw talent will need polishing but he'll be starting quality in a couple of years

[sjinhan]

Why is DE a priority? .

lol probably DE is burned into his notes for Redskins "need" since we have been ignoring that issue for past 10-15 years...

[HigSkin]

I've been harping on Selvish Capers for the last couple of weeks. WVA runs a ZBS and scouts say he's a bit raw but nasty. He's just under 300 lbs and fast for a big guy. Just not sure I would take him as a high second. I think he's projected in the 3rd unless the combine changes that.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Why is DE a priority? Is there an assumption that since we might be going 3-4 we are getting rid of carter? We used our 3rd this year on Jarmon.

I assume because Orakpo has been playing LB and Jarmon's kind of a question mark. I think Kiper just saw Daniels as a starter on the depth chart and figured that needed an upgrade. I bet he'll change that assessment soon, unless the idea of moving to a 3-4 becomes more of an issue.


Same question for RB. Does this assume we are moving portis? We have portis, betts, ganther.

Portis is aging, fading, expensive and causes problems in the locker room. Betts is 30 and coming off a major knee injury. Ganther might make a decent #3 RB and that's it. RB is certainly a need. Not one I would think we need to address in the first couple of rounds, but calling it a need is hardly a stretch.

[[[ghost]]]

If Bradford is the ideal fit for Shanahan's system then Im all for picking him.

But then we pretty much have to go OL in the second round, and ideally a tackle.

[Redskinzfan30]

Why is DE a priority? Is there an assumption that since we might be going 3-4 we are getting rid of carter? We used our 3rd this year on Jarmon.

Carter is too small to play DE in the 3-4 and Jarmon is a bit undersized but if he puts on a few pounds he could be a good fit. Also Daniels is old and we don't know how much longer he'll be around. But if we do switch to a 3-4 we move Haynesworth to a DE and Jarmon could be the other DE.

[Cooooley47]

I'd have to think the ideal situation is to trade back and get multiple picks for the #4 overall. However, that is not easily done. If that cant be done, I'd prefer to draft OT in the 1st round. I am not opposed to drafting Bradford first either.

I'm wondering if it would be easier to trade the 4th pick of the 2nd round to get a 3rd rounder back so we can draft OL in the 2nd and 3rd round. Pats have what, 3 2nd round picks? Would be nice to somehow snag 2 of those.

The O-Line HAS to be upgraded this offseason. We dont stand a chance if we cant give our QB time and our RB lanes.

[Se7en 8te N9ne]

If we get Jahvid Best in the second I'll be ecstatic.

[frommd]

I'd like to get Bradford down a few spots if possible. It would be nice to pick up another second or even a high third.

I am more worried about the durability of Best than Bradford. Pretty sure they will have due diligence on Bradford from Dr. Andrews.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Why is DE a priority? Is there an assumption that since we might be going 3-4 we are getting rid of carter? We used our 3rd this year on Jarmon. Same question for RB. Does this assume we are moving portis? We have portis, betts, ganther. With the obvious holes at offensive line, the need to shore up the secondary depending on what they are doing with Carlos, etc I just don't see us using our limited number of picks on things like defensive ends and running backs. I see QB, OT, OT, G, CB. G as making much more sense. Although I suppose what we do in free agency can change some of this.


Do you really consider Portis, Betts, and Ganther a good trio of running backs?

[Riggo#44]

I'd have to think the ideal situation is to trade back and get multiple picks for the #4 overall. However, that is not easily done. If that cant be done, I'd prefer to draft OT in the 1st round. I am not opposed to drafting Bradford first either.

I'm wondering if it would be easier to trade the 4th pick of the 2nd round to get a 3rd rounder back so we can draft OL in the 2nd and 3rd round. Pats have what, 3 2nd round picks? Would be nice to somehow snag 2 of those.

The O-Line HAS to be upgraded this offseason. We dont stand a chance if we cant give our QB time and our RB lanes.

If we go Bradford, and it's looking more and more like we will, the 2nd and 4th round picks MUST be used on OL. Maybe Trent Williams falls. I doubt he would fall past the Lions 2nd rnd pick.

I would love to have someone like Best, however, he is a luxury we cannot afford right now.

[Redskinzfan30]

I'd have to think the ideal situation is to trade back and get multiple picks for the #4 overall. However, that is not easily done. If that cant be done, I'd prefer to draft OT in the 1st round. I am not opposed to drafting Bradford first either.

I'm wondering if it would be easier to trade the 4th pick of the 2nd round to get a 3rd rounder back so we can draft OL in the 2nd and 3rd round. Pats have what, 3 2nd round picks? Would be nice to somehow snag 2 of those.

I would think it would be easier to trade our early 2nd there is always someone that falls that is a first round talent and teams always want to trade up and get that guy.

Pats do have 3 2nds.

[wildbill1952]

Of all of this year's QB's, I think Bradford is the best. I don't think he's as good as Locker in next year's draft, but it really comes down to the question "Is Bradford a franchise QB?". I don't think he is. I think he'll be average to even good at times, but I don't expect him to be as good as Locker 4 years from now.

Drafting QB and then a second round tackle (e.g. Jansen was second round) will give you a good player for several years, but it's not going to make a major difference in the team results next year. And I fear that next year it's going to be "we need to draft a RB" and we're going to pick up OL piecemeal.

I really like Bradford. But I see us coming back here 4 years from now, looking for the next "franchise QB" because I don't think Bradford is going to be that guy. I hope I'm wrong. After picking 7 QB's and 8 OL in the past 10 years, I don't think just drafting a QB and making the usual Redskins half-hearted attempt at revamping the OL is going to make a lot of dfference.

[panel]

Why is DE a priority? Is there an assumption that since we might be going 3-4 we are getting rid of carter? We used our 3rd this year on Jarmon. Same question for RB. Does this assume we are moving portis? We have portis, betts, ganther. With the obvious holes at offensive line, the need to shore up the secondary depending on what they are doing with Carlos, etc I just don't see us using our limited number of picks on things like defensive ends and running backs.

I agree with you. Much more needs than RB and DE.

[Larry]

I'd have to think the ideal situation is to trade back and get multiple picks for the #4 overall.

Yeah, my draft fantasy is that we trade completely out of the first, and take 3 OL in the second. (And they play for us for 12 years.)

But if we're on the clock, and the phone doesn't ring, I'm not gonna be ticked at Bradford.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

I don't want Bradford, I think he'll get torn to pieces in the NFL.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

YEAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kiper mentioned Javid Best!!!!! OMG, I would be so AMPPED if we draft Javid Best...

[Brotherz]

Do you really consider Portis, Betts, and Ganther a good trio of running backs?


No, I don't. but I definately don't see it as a primary need in light of the long term view that I have of rebuilding this franchise. Its not dissimilar to my view of the QB issue. I am perfectly fine with taking a franchise QB at #4 AND keeping JC to take the lumps while we groom him. But I am looking at a 3 year rebuilding project here and I don't see why Portis/Betts/Ganther can't be here next year while we reconstruct the most pathetic offensive line in our franchise's history.

The idea that with our 1st rounder we take a QB that in my opinion shouldn't even see the field in his first year, and THEN take a RB in the second to run the ball behind this dilapidated line seems assanine to me.

The second rounder really MUST be a lineman in my opinion unless the first pick is a lineman. We can keep getting skill position people but do you really see that helping us if we don't address the O-line? The ONLY reason I can see not bringing back Portis is if we feel that the uncapped year will give us a get out of jail free card on his contract. Then, OK, and even then, I don't take a RB with the second pick if I take a Qb with our first. I am fine with a mediocre running back group next year while this line learns the ropes.

Ideally, we will upgrade just about every spot on that offensive line next year, groom the QB behind a veteran who gets hit while that line gels and THEN next year draft the speedster RB. The RB isn't going to need a year or two to get his legs under him. A QB will and so will a line that needs to become a cohesive unit. Running back just sounds nuts to me THIS year.

We need upgrades almost everywhere at this point but let's do it in some rational order based on how long the position requires to become competent in this league. Any running back we draft without getting a lineman until the 4th round (remember, we don't have a 3rd) is destined for the label of "bust" behind our line.

As for fixing the line through free agency and THEN drafting Best or another RB at the second pick, maybe, but I think the UFA's all being RFA's due to the lapse on the CBA makes that a tenable assumption. The last thing we can afford to do is give picks as compensation for signing free agents that would otherwise be unrestricted with a CBA in place. We need to use the uncapped year to cut dead wood more than to sign free agents since my understanding of the situation is most of them will require compensation in the form of picks to sign them.

[The Rook]

I agree with you. Much more needs than RB and DE.

Yep - think we need some LB help before DE.







:helmet:The Rook

[Brotherz]

Yeah, my draft fantasy is that we trade completely out of the first, and take 3 OL in the second. (And they play for us for 12 years.)

But if we're on the clock, and the phone doesn't ring, I'm not gonna be ticked at Bradford.

Yea, I like this.

[jnhay]

I don't mind taking Bradford but I'm sure he will slip a few spots, I'm hoping they will trade out and still get bradford. I really like charles brown, raw talent will need polishing but he'll be starting quality in a couple of years

I doubt it. The last time a QB wasn't selected in the top 5 was the 2000 draft.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Do you really consider Portis, Betts, and Ganther a good trio of running backs?


Hell no, but I do hope we are able to keep Ganther as a back up. CP and Betts need to kick rocks....As much as I want Best, yall are making me nervous with all this injury talk.

[Dick Edds]

No, I don't. but I definately don't see it as a primary need in light of the long term view that I have of rebuilding this franchise. Its not dissimilar to my view of the QB issue. I am perfectly fine with taking a franchise QB at #4 AND keeping JC to take the lumps while we groom him. But I am looking at a 3 year rebuilding project here and I don't see why Portis/Betts/Ganther can't be here next year while we reconstruct the most pathetic offensive line in our franchise's history.

The idea that with our 1st rounder we take a QB that in my opinion shouldn't even see the field in his first year, and THEN take a RB in the second to run the ball behind this dilapidated line seems assanine to me.

The second rounder really MUST be a lineman in my opinion unless the first pick is a lineman. We can keep getting skill position people but do you really see that helping us if we don't address the O-line? The ONLY reason I can see not bringing back Portis is if we feel that the uncapped year will give us a get out of jail free card on his contract. Then, OK, and even then, I don't take a RB with the second pick if I take a Qb with our first. I am fine with a mediocre running back group next year while this line learns the ropes.

Ideally, we will upgrade just about every spot on that offensive line next year, groom the QB behind a veteran who gets hit while that line gels and THEN next year draft the speedster RB. The RB isn't going to need a year or two to get his legs under him. A QB will and so will a line that needs to become a cohesive unit. Running back just sounds nuts to me THIS year.

We need upgrades almost everywhere at this point but let's do it in some rational order based on how long the position requires to become competent in this league. Any running back we draft without getting a lineman until the 4th round (remember, we don't have a 3rd) is destined for the label of "bust" behind our line.

As for fixing the line through free agency and THEN drafting Best or another RB at the second pick, maybe, but I think the UFA's all being RFA's due to the lapse on the CBA makes that a tenable assumption. The last thing we can afford to do is give picks as compensation for signing free agents that would otherwise be unrestricted with a CBA in place. We need to use the uncapped year to cut dead wood more than to sign free agents since my understanding of the situation is most of them will require compensation in the form of picks to sign them.

totally agree with this ... we can still pick up a RB in 5th or 7th round if a good prospect falls. Otherwise, any RB off the street will do. OL must be a priority, if not taken in the first.

[Xero21]

We are definitely not going to fill every need in just one draft.

I used to be completely for drafting Okung in the first, but I realized that may not be the best choice.

What we need to do now, is a BPA+Need philosophy. Take all the positions you need, compare the players, and THEN take the BPA.

If Bradford is truly a great franchise QB, then take him at 4. If Okung is a better player than Bradford, take him.

[praise_gibbs]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)

Samtastic!

[slaga]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)If another team wants him and it is percieved that we will take him, we may have some trade bait leverage to get more picks.:fingersx:

[Voice_of_Reason]

Assuming that Samuels retires, they are going to need to 3-4 starters on the offensive line.

Let's assume Dock is good enough to start. That leaves LT as an open question mark, unless they are sold on Levi Jones, which I wouldn't be. Rabach at center probably should have gone 2 years ago. The RG position has been a turnstile. The RT position is BAD.

So, while I personally think that picking Bradford wouldn't be a terrible idea, the thought of somehow transforming that pick into 2 OL in the first and second round seems very good to me.

[Snyder & Co.]

1st - LT Okung
2nd - RB Jahvid Best or Ryan Mathews
4th - G Jon Asamoah (Yes, I've seen mocks putting him in the 4th)
5th - ILB Micah Johnson
7th - QB Levi Brown

I'd rather trade back from #4 and get one or two more picks. Maybe go for Bruce Campbell , a RB, and try and get Asamoah sooner. Then get defense later on and a QB.

[zskins]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)

Except in my mock draft. :evilg:

[Blue Collar Skins]

Why is DE a priority? Because right now, we have Andre Carter and on the other side we have Phillip Daniels. We love Daniels, but Daniels is also aging. Now you could point out Jarmon, but I am not sure Jarmon is an every down DE, as well as depth. Also, Chris Wilson is being used in the same vein as Orakpo, so he would be good as an OLB in a 3-4 but not a DE.

[21Knock_U_Out]

YEAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kiper mentioned Javid Best!!!!! OMG, I would be so AMPPED if we draft Javid Best...

Bradford and Best would be sweeeeeeet!

[NVskinsfan]

I guess it depends on how long we hold on to JC?
1 year maybe a Franchise QB, but not for a JC extension...

Get OL and a WR...Defense can get in FA (if possible)!!!

[laurent]

If we can land Jahvid Best in the 2nd round I'd be ecstatic. I fully expect him to dazzle at the combine though and I highly doubt that he will last that long.

He's easily the most explosive playmaker at the position and somebody is going to be very happy to add him to their roster.

[boobiemiles]

We still have to go through a combine. I have a lot of reservations for a guy that couldn;t stay healthy in the Big 12. Like I said this si the NFC East. Plus, wouldn't Shan feel more comfortable with a guy fimiliar with the West Coast Offense, and not the spread offense?

[boobiemiles]

Plus how much are we going to have to pay Bradford? I know there isn;t a cap, but is he worth the price?

[MaineSkin]

Portis is not worth 7 mil a year. The other two are too small. Skins getting Best would be the best draft ever. He is going to be a Chris Johnson except catches the ball better. Sam Bradford will be a star too. The big pickup will be Worfolk for a NT and Merriman or Bullock at ILB. Moss, EL, Portis, Cooley, Fletcher and Carter need to go. They do not fit into the new regime. I love the guys and the heart they have but its time for the Shanahan era. Chester Taylor is another name to look out for. Shanahan likes two and three GOOD receivers

[paloffs]

As much as getting Jahvid Best would be initially exciting, that would be a Cerrato move
Are we calling all stupid moves Cerrato moves? I highly doubt Cerrato would've drafted Jahvid. When was the last time we draft a RB?

No, Cerrato would probably take the top safety, then the top TE, trade next year's first and second to get back into the second round to then take a LB in case Orakpo gets injured. :)

[icbmayday]

DE being a priority is very puzzling we need LB more, they should have had every O line position as a priority, Kiper is usually off anyway.

[DGREENHULK]

We still have to go through a combine. I have a lot of reservations for a guy that couldn;t stay healthy in the Big 12. Like I said this si the NFC East. Plus, wouldn't Shan feel more comfortable with a guy fimiliar with the West Coast Offense, and not the spread offense?

Bingo...what will we do if Bradford either doesn't throw at the combine or looks bad "under center" due to his exclusive work in the spread? We all see how great that is going for Tebow this week....

1. Okung (If he is there) Needs to be the pick at 4 if not and we can't find trading partners we may be stuck with Bradford.....Which might no be a bad thing but it won't be the best thing....

Others I wouldn't mind would be LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon/ Ryan Matthews RB Fresno State (someone else mentioned him too)in the 2nd or maybe pick of a 3rd round pick via trade (Landry.....maybe).

If we do go with Bradford we better be the off season champs ounce again but this time in the OLINE department. HTTR.

[bulldog]

the Redskins are NOT going to take a DE with a first day pick.

with the investments in Haynesworth, Orakpo and Jarmon in 2009, any further needs on the DL will be addressed in mid-tier free agency.

these picks I would see as being heavily slanted toward OFFENSE this time around, except as Kiper suggests backfield and OL rather than WR.

Santana Moss and Devin Thomas can play in the WCO.

Amazing how an accurate quarterback with a solid line makes receivers look very good.

Think Collie and Garcon would be putting up these numbers with Campbell and the OL here? :laugh:

[Laxpunk2006]

I think the DE priority is more of a depth issue. If you look at it we have Carter on one side, Jarmon coming off a torn ACL mid-season, then the ancient Philip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn, neither of which I expect to be retained now that Blache is gone. Orakpo is listed as a linebacker so I assume this is what Kiper looked at and thought "well that position looks thin." Obviously we aren't going to address 5 positions with two first day picks.

The Bradford pick wouldn't bother me. I'm a Campbell guy but I understand he isn't going to be in our long term future so if our scouts think Bradford is the guy then pull the trigger. In round two I think Best could help us a lot in 2010 but I don't think that is in our long term best interest. Runningbacks have a very quick transition to the NFL and a short shelf life. I think we would be better off taking an OL at that point and working with what we have. 2010 is not a championship year so I don't mind if our running game stalls with Portis/Betts/Ganther/Mason/Alridge/whoever. Then in the 2011 draft continue to take OL and fill in a RB then if someone sticks out.

While finding a great RB is hard, finding a good one is easy. After all the "FIX THE OLINE!" talk I've heard all season I find it hillarious fans are actually advocating he ignore it in the first two rounds again. Vinny must have rubbed off on us more than we thought.

[Looking For Number Four]

Interesting take...I would much rather have Charles Brown in the 2nd. We have so many holes though...

As much as getting Jahvid Best would be initially exciting, that would be a Cerrato move, and the thought of going into next year with the same gawdawful line gives me nightmares...

Link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4845729

Could not agree with you more, on both accounts. For the first time ever I utterly agree with Keiper. This is the same guy that would blather on and on about Jasuckass Russell and I would have to sit there and shake my head. I hate LSU (actually just Les Miles) and there was nothing that please me more than when they would throw the ball further than 15 yards.

I have said it one million times, I love Campbell, but he is never going to hit 4000 yards or 30+ TDs. If anyone would like to debate the importance of this please watch the NY Jets vs IND Colts this past weekend. #1 Defense, #1 Rushing game, sitting at home and sucking down beers to watch the Super Bowl.

[Laxpunk2006]

Could not agree with you more, on both accounts. For the first time ever I utterly agree with Keiper. This is the same guy that would blather on and on about Jasuckass Russell and I would have to sit there and shake my head. I hate LSU (actually just Les Miles) and there was nothing that please me more than when they would throw the ball further than 15 yards.

I have said it one million times, I love Campbell, but he is never going to hit 4000 yards or 30+ TDs. If anyone would like to debate the importance of this please watch the NY Jets vs IND Colts this past weekend. #1 Defense, #1 Rushing game, sitting at home and sucking down beers to watch the Super Bowl.

I'm not disagreeing with you but Peyton Manning is in a league of his own. The only teams that wouldn't drastically benefit from him as QB are NE and NO. Everyone would LOVE Peyton Manning but sadly there is only one.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Heard Kiper tonight on some show on the radio. He got asked about the Redskins and said that he thinks we'll take Bradford BUT he could see a couple of other scenarios:

1) We take Okung or some other linemen at 4 and then take McCoy in the 2nd. Said that before the season he had said that McCoy reminds him of a Shanahan type of QB. In the Jake Plummer mold.

2) We decide that there isn't that big of a difference between Clausen and Bradford and trade down a few spots, collect some extra draft picks and then take whichever one falls.

[JimmyZ123]

we don't need to draft a rb. we'll pick up chester taylor :)

[illone]

I'll be shocked if Jahvid Best makes it to the 2nd round.

That kid is something special if the Skins got him in the 2nd I'd fall out of my skin.

[Looking For Number Four]

Heard Kiper tonight on some show on the radio. He got asked about the Redskins and said that he thinks we'll take Bradford BUT he could see a couple of other scenarios:

1) We take Okung or some other linemen at 4 and then take McCoy in the 2nd. Said that before the season he had said that McCoy reminds him of a Shanahan type of QB. In the Jake Plummer mold.

2) We decide that there isn't that big of a difference between Clausen and Bradford and trade down a few spots, collect some extra draft picks and then take whichever one falls.

Excellent, thanks for the update. I'm pretty sure we are going Bradford. If STL goes Suh, then Claussen certainly makes everything a bit more murky. Sure, Okung is the most talented OT, but I watched Brown all season (huge USC fan, I've watched most every game since Palmer) and there is not a HUGE dropoff. IMO, neither is Capers. We also have the luxury of bringing back Campbell for next to nothing (4M) to give us a run this season while Bradford is groomed. Still have the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and free agency to tighten up the line, LB, FS, and CB demands.

[Looking For Number Four]

I'm not disagreeing with you but Peyton Manning is in a league of his own. The only teams that wouldn't drastically benefit from him as QB are NE and NO. Everyone would LOVE Peyton Manning but sadly there is only one.

I think you might be signing a different tune following the Super Bowl. Peyton will certainly go down as one of, if not the, best QB of all-time. With that said, look at STL before and after Kurt Warner. Then, look at ARZ before, and soon, after Kurt Warner. Look at NE before and after Tom Brady. Brees immediately went to NO and made them perennial playoff and now super bowl contenders, DESPITE LEARNING A NEW SYSTEM. :D Rodgers not only ensure that GB did not miss a beast, but surpassed Farve's single game playoff passing record, I'm also thinking a few more records could be in jeporady. Maybe Peyton is in a league of his own, but any one of the aforementioned signal callers would have taken last year's team to the championship.

[Riggo#44]

Are we calling all stupid moves Cerrato moves? I highly doubt Cerrato would've drafted Jahvid. When was the last time we draft a RB?

Rumor has it, had Cerrato been retained he would have gone 1st round, QB; 2nd round, RB...ignoring the line...again...

And, yes, all stupid moves should be deemed "Cerrato Move"

[fansince62]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)

good to see you smiling!

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Almost every expert Mock I've seen has us getting Bradford.

:)
I think Bradford would be a good QB.

BTW I love your sig it cracks me up, whats it from?

[Blue Collar Skins]

I'll be shocked if Jahvid Best makes it to the 2nd round.

That kid is something special if the Skins got him in the 2nd I'd fall out of my skin. Promise? :silly:

Anyway, I would rather have Mike Iupati if he is still there in the 2nd. I think our Front Office really needs to do a lot of trades and get us a few Second Round picks to get Charles Brown, Mike Iupati, and Mike Tennant all in the Second Round if they are there.

[Riggo#44]

Promise? :silly:

Anyway, I would rather have Mike Iupati if he is still there in the 2nd. I think our Front Office really needs to do a lot of trades and get us a few Second Round picks to get Charles Brown, Mike Iupati, and Mike Tennant all in the Second Round if they are there.

I highly doubt Iupati makes it to the 2nd round...I wouldn't mind dropping back in the 2nd round, picking up a 3rd and getting someone like Ducasse...

[Blue Collar Skins]

I think Bradford would be a good QB.

BTW I love your sig it cracks me up, whats it from?
http://www.offthepost.info/2009/06/video-fat-kid-enjoys-italy-0-3-brazil-by-rubbing-ice-cream-over-his-face/

[redskins55]

If we get Jahvid Best in the second I'll be ecstatic.

Yes if he is available for our second pick we cant pass on him!

[gorebd82]

As much as we need offensive linemen, I think if Bradford is available in the 1st and Best available in the 2nd, we might have to take them both. Bradford is the QB of the future. Best is the type of game-breaker that could single-handedly win an additional 2-3 games for us as a RB/WR/KR.

We would then have to look harder at FAs and mid-round linemen and create a situation where there's a lot of competition in camp instead of an 1st round OT already penciled in as a starter. Maybe we look to trade a vet for a mid-round pick or move up from the 4th to the 3rd. There's plenty of options because this draft is so deep. Also, if Samuels doesn't retire, that gives us the liberty of drafting for depth instead of needing a starter at OT.

I really believe Shanny will go RB by committee and combining Best with CP could give us one of the best running tandems in the league.

[aussieskin]

Is this just another mediot looking into a broken crystal ball, no one knows who the skins will take because no one knows who will be available when we get to choose.

[Looking For Number Four]

As much as we need offensive linemen, I think if Bradford is available in the 1st and Best available in the 2nd, we might have to take them both. Bradford is the QB of the future. Best is the type of game-breaker that could single-handedly win an additional 2-3 games for us as a RB/WR/KR.

We would then have to look harder at FAs and mid-round linemen and create a situation where there's a lot of competition in camp instead of an 1st round OT already penciled in as a starter. Maybe we look to trade a vet for a mid-round pick or move up from the 4th to the 3rd. There's plenty of options because this draft is so deep. Also, if Samuels doesn't retire, that gives us the liberty of drafting for depth instead of needing a starter at OT.

I really believe Shanny will go RB by committee and combining Best with CP could give us one of the best running tandems in the league.

Despite agreeing with you on all accounts, I do not believe we can afford to get greedy here. What happened last year as the result of spending three second rounders on anything but an offensive lineman cannot be replicated. We MUST, IMO, take an o-lineman in either 1st or 2nd. I want Bradford, like Tiger Woods wants sex, so I am going with either Capers or Brown in the 2nd. They are both very mobile tackles that would thrive in Shanahan's scheme, truly a blessing. I watched Brown all year long (thanks ESPN 360), I bleed red and gold in both levels of football, the guy has great footwork, VIOLENT punch, and can handle multiple moves already. He is not a mauler like Jake Long but fantastic pass protector.

Capers really stood out to me when Noel Devine was on a sweep during their bowl game. Devine is one of the fastest players I have ever seen and Capers was out their right one time. Fox would not be bad either, although he is more or a mauler, IMO, which may not fit the ZBS as well.

There are still a few of these gamebreaker types in the 4th (MJD was also drafted here) as undersized speed guys tend to fall more than your Jacobs, Peterson, Dwyer type molds. One guy that immediately jumps out to me is Joe McKnight who will likely be sitting there and is literally Bush 2.0, he was the #1 RB recruit two years ago in the entire country.
http://www.drafttek.com/round42010.asp

I think another huge problem beside Best sitting there is that Kindle and Spikes might both be as well. Either one would probably start immediately and enable Orakpo to jump to the line or make the transition to a 3-4 pretty seemless. With Carter moving back and creating a tandem with Fletcher, Orakpo, and Kindle/Spikes our LB core would look a lot like the Steelers of '08.

[gorebd82]

Despite agreeing with you on all accounts, I do not believe we can afford to get greedy here. What happened last year as the result of spending three second rounders on anything but an offensive lineman cannot be replicated. We MUST, IMO, take an o-lineman in either 1st or 2nd. I want Bradford, like Tiger Woods wants sex, so I am going with either Capers or Brown in the 2nd. They are both very mobile tackles that would thrive in Shanahan's scheme, truly a blessing. I watched Brown all year long (thanks ESPN 360), I bleed red and gold in both levels of football, the guy has great footwork, VIOLENT punch, and can handle multiple moves already. He is not a mauler like Jake Long but fantastic pass protector.

Capers really stood out to me when Noel Devine was on a sweep during their bowl game. Devine is one of the fastest players I have ever seen and Capers was out their right one time. Fox would not be bad either, although he is more or a mauler, IMO, which may not fit the ZBS as well.

There are still a few of these gamebreaker types in the 4th (MJD was also drafted here) as undersized speed guys tend to fall more than your Jacobs, Peterson, Dwyer type molds. One guy that immediately jumps out to me is Joe McKnight who will likely be sitting there and is literally Bush 2.0, he was the #1 RB recruit two years ago in the entire country.
http://www.drafttek.com/round42010.asp

I think another huge problem beside Best sitting there is that Kindle and Spikes might both be as well. Either one would probably start immediately and enable Orakpo to jump to the line or make the transition to a 3-4 pretty seemless. With Carter moving back and creating a tandem with Fletcher, Orakpo, and Kindle/Spikes our LB core would look a lot like the Steelers of '08.

I definitely see where you're coming from. I think in this draft, we have to really target QB, NT and LT. I think we go Bradford in the 1st, but that 2nd round pick might have to be BPA with consideration to team need. And Jahvid Best might be that player. While I like the idea of Charles Brown, Jahvid Best and CJ Spiller are the two elite game changers in this draft. While Joe McKnight is a Reggie Bush type players, these two are more like Chris Johnson. They both can break it long at anytime, but also have a running style that could allow them to be a lead RB. A RB duo of Portis and Best would make our entire offense much more dynamic. Best can significantly improve our running, passing and special teams.

If we don't get a tackle in the second, guys like Capers, Fox, Calloway, Saffold and Tony Washington will still be available in the 3rd or 4th. Those guys won't all go in the 2nd because Bruce Campbell, Iupati, Ducasse, Brown, Asamoah, Spikes, Art Jones, etc. all could still be on the board. The only way we're sitting in the 2nd and I pass on Best would be if Campbell is still on the board and if that's the case, that means that tackles are slipping and we still might take Best and wait on a tackle later.

Our second pick will be the most interesting. We might move up for Bulaga or Dan Williams. We might stay and hope Campbell or Best falls to us. Or we might move back to acquire extra picks. I think the most predictable scenario is we sit there and take Charles Brown.

[P007]

totally agree with this ... we can still pick up a RB in 5th or 7th round if a good prospect falls. Otherwise, any RB off the street will do. OL must be a priority, if not taken in the first.

I come from the notion for drafting the best player available. We have too many holes and if the best player available is a running back you take him. We aren't a playoff team and to rebuild this team from the ground up is going to take more than 3 years imo. I just think we should draft the best available player. Look at all of the successful teams in the league, they draft the best player available and let everything work it self out in training camp.

[P007]

We are definitely not going to fill every need in just one draft.

I used to be completely for drafting Okung in the first, but I realized that may not be the best choice.

What we need to do now, is a BPA+Need philosophy. Take all the positions you need, compare the players, and THEN take the BPA.

If Bradford is truly a great franchise QB, then take him at 4. If Okung is a better player than Bradford, take him.

Totally agreee.

[P007]

Portis is not worth 7 mil a year. The other two are too small. Skins getting Best would be the best draft ever. He is going to be a Chris Johnson except catches the ball better. Sam Bradford will be a star too. The big pickup will be Worfolk for a NT and Merriman or Bullock at ILB. Moss, EL, Portis, Cooley, Fletcher and Carter need to go. They do not fit into the new regime. I love the guys and the heart they have but its time for the Shanahan era. Chester Taylor is another name to look out for. Shanahan likes two and three GOOD receivers

Why should we get rid of Fletcher and Carter, it hasn't been confirmed that we are running a 3-4 defense, and if we decide to do that it will be a mistake considering that our talent on the roster is suited for the 4-3. That type of change has to take time. Personally I am not a fan of the 3-4, and good running team will shred a 3-4 defense.

[Skins93077]

If anything we should be willing to trade campbell, carlos because if we don't sign them we loose them for nothing. Along with cooley when we can get a 2nd and address ot with the colley trade.
We need to drop down and I hope we do and get some really good picks. But just picking 2 times in 2 rounds isn't good. There are some really good talent in the 1st n 2nd round and it woulf be a crime if we didn't fill in as many
Needs possitions as possible instead of going all all qb with our 4th pick.

[Hoover-ball]

Interesting that in January Kiper had us taking Capers possibly in the second. I will take Mcnabb and getting Capers anyway in the 7th!

[SkinFromNepal]

Did Redskins sign any of the undrafted talents? I just read that 49ers and Chargers were active to get undrafted talents...

[laxpck]

Great bump...hard for me to tell how Capers dropped so much in the last 2 months.

I really think that we have all heard that Shanahan finds the OL talent in the late rounds and makes them into starters.

Well, true to form, here come Capers and Cook....both multiyear starters at respectible programs...I am excited to see if these guys can flourish in the ZBS.

While I dont believe our line is dominant, I think our talent level is MUCH improved than it was. Pretty exciting for 3 months of work.

[tiger187126]

Did Redskins sign any of the undrafted talents? I just read that 49ers and Chargers were active to get undrafted talents...

boom:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=322480

[RabidFan]

Capers dropped due to poor Senior Bowl outing. Good for us as we got him for a steal.

[redman]

Capers dropped due to poor Senior Bowl outing. Good for us as we got him for a steal.

I read somewhere that his bench press reps were poor, but I have no details.

That sort of thing can be improved anyway, but the athleticism and quickness that he has basically cannot, so I love the pick especially given our scheme.

The happiest person in the world over his poor combine showing was probably Shanny who knew he could get him late.

[dfbovey]

Anybody an ESPN insider:? I see Mel's final draft grades are up.

[The Diesel]

Capers might turn out to be the prototypical late round steal. This was a guy projected in the 2nd round 4 months ago, but because of one poor game and one poor workout he drops basically off of everyone's board. The talent people saw to originally have him rated so highly is still there. He just needs a little time with professional coaches and we could have something pretty good.

[HailGreen28]

We always get A's by the "experts". The true test will be the next couple years.

[KIMOII]

Looks like alot of speculation by some of you guys back in Jan were dead on. Considering the change of events since then we addressed the areas of concern and some of you guys called it by individual name. Congrads. Maybe the FO is taking note of the fans perspective more than we realize.:logo:

[jflow78]

Interesting that he had Capers going in the 2nd. I think the guy is going to be very good. There's obviously a reason every team, including us, passed on him for 6 1/2 rounds, but the guy is very athletic and could turn out to be a monster at RT if he's willing to work hard and our coaches can put him on the fast track. If not he's good depth at least.

I liked our draft a lot. We'll see how our TE and ILB do, but the ILB should be an instant special teams star, and be able to help out in the 3-4 run support and zone coverage.

I think the difference with this draft as opposed to past drafts is, in the past we've picked people who looked like they might be stars, in this draft we've picked people who fit the scheme best. I think that's why people are complaining, they wanted a star when we got people that can play the offense or defense best.

We'll see how all this turns out.

[Monsterfan]

Interesting that he had Capers going in the 2nd. I think the guy is going to be very good. There's obviously a reason every team, including us, passed on him for 6 1/2 rounds, but the guy is very athletic and could turn out to be a monster at RT if he's willing to work hard and our coaches can put him on the fast track. If not he's good depth at least.

I liked our draft a lot. We'll see how our TE and ILB do, but the ILB should be an instant special teams star, and be able to help out in the 3-4 run support and zone coverage.

I think the difference with this draft as opposed to past drafts is, in the past we've picked people who looked like they might be stars, in this draft we've picked people who fit the scheme best. I think that's why people are complaining, they wanted a star when we got people that can play the offense or defense best.

We'll see how all this turns out.

You know what? I think you've made a very valid point. Okung for instance is the Prototypical pick but, does he fit our SCHEME as well as Williams. It seems in recent years, we've tried to play players out of position, of course results have varied but why not choose the players based on how well their strengths fit the Shanny's scheme.

[AllAboutTheU]

Why is DE a priority? Is there an assumption that since we might be going 3-4 we are getting rid of carter? We used our 3rd this year on Jarmon. Same question for RB. Does this assume we are moving portis? We have portis, betts, ganther. With the obvious holes at offensive line, the need to shore up the secondary depending on what they are doing with Carlos, etc I just don't see us using our limited number of picks on things like defensive ends and running backs. I see QB, OT, OT, G, CB. G as making much more sense. Although I suppose what we do in free agency can change some of this.

We don't have Betts or Ganther anymore. DE is a need because we don't have any true 5 techniques except for Carriker. Jarmon and Carter aren't even big enough right now to play end in a 3-4 and Daniels is old.

[81tothehall]

I think Big Albert certainly could end up playing a lot of DE for us. I think the rotation possibilities for us are all over the place. We can now actually call some effective zone blitz schemes with the personnel packages we can put out there. i think we can be dynamic on defense. The more I look at this draft, the more I really like it. I think we will be much improved this year.

[MartinC]

We don't have Betts or Ganther anymore. DE is a need because we don't have any true 5 techniques except for Carriker. Jarmon and Carter aren't even big enough right now to play end in a 3-4 and Daniels is old.


I disagree. Haynesworth will play more end in our scheme than nose unless we get injuries at that nose spot. Carriker will get first shot at the opposite end. Jarmon is listed at about 280 and Shanny has said he will be playing end - if he puts on 10 lbs thats about the prototype for a 3-4 DE.

Add in Golston who I think will be more of an end than a NT and Daniels and thats a decent DE rotation.

Carter will play OLB and be asked to rush not cover in passing situations.

[terpfan]

Jarmon is listed at about 280 and Shanny has said he will be playing end - if he puts on 10 lbs thats about the prototype for a 3-4 DE.

Has he said this? I thought I heard he was being look at more at OLB. I'd prefer him at end if he can put on the weight.

[littleskins]

I disagree. Haynesworth will play more end in our scheme than nose unless we get injuries at that nose spot. Carriker will get first shot at the opposite end. Jarmon is listed at about 280 and Shanny has said he will be playing end - if he puts on 10 lbs thats about the prototype for a 3-4 DE.

Add in Golston who I think will be more of an end than a NT and Daniels and thats a decent DE rotation.

Carter will play OLB and be asked to rush not cover in passing situations.

Don't forget Phillip Daniels would be in the mix.

[lou4gehrig]

Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

[littleskins]

Jarmon is listed at about 280 and Shanny has said he will be playing end - if he puts on 10 lbs thats about the prototype for a 3-4 DE.

I thought he was 270 when he got here last year. Has he gained 10pounds during the offseason.

[NattyLight]

Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

Yet he had projected Capers to go 2nd to WAS and they got him in the 7th, and doesn't even mention him? **** Mel. He'll be irrelevant in 2 years time. I wouldn't have them pay ME $6 / month to read this garbage.

[thesubmittedone]

Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

lol, yeah, Kiper is definitely Vinny's pal!

[gorebd82]

Kiper gave us a C-. He said that Trent Williams is a riskier pick than Okung and basically criticized us not picking again until 103. He said the other guys are depth so basically if Williams busts then we've done nothing to infuse more youth into our roster.

EDIT: sorry, posted this before I saw the quote of Kiper's comments.

[MartinC]

Kiper gave us a C-. He said that Trent Williams is a riskier pick than Okung and basically criticized us not picking again until 103. He said the other guys are depth so basically if Williams busts then we've done nothing to infuse more youth into our roster.

Which is a fair, if rather obvious, comment on his part. This draft lives or dies on Trent Williams keeping McNabb upright and healthy.

[MartinC]

I thought he was 270 when he got here last year. Has he gained 10pounds during the offseason.

Jarmon is listed as 277 on Redskins.com. With his frame and pro training he can easily get to 290 without losing speed or agility.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

His opinion and everyone elses for that matter mean absolutely nothing.
We picked who we picked and it will all play itself out in due time. The problem with these grades is that noone ever goes back and holds the persons feet to the fire or celebrate their past opinions on the draft. Every year they should be going back and reviewing the hits and misses, and put it on television. Then I would have more respect for these things.
0 accountability.

[ciresolstice]

You know it's uncanny how much he studies and how much info he knows about players coming out of college, but beyond that Mel doesn't know crap. He's wrong so many times it's not even funny.

[Adam291]

You know it's uncanny how much he studies and how much info he knows about players coming out of college, but beyond that Mel doesn't know crap. He's wrong so many times it's not even funny.
Yeah, but most draft gurus are probably wrong 75% of the time. Look through the drafts from 4+ years ago and few of the guys live up to the hype. This year, nearly everyone taken in the 1st (except for the dude the Jags took) was looked at as the best thing since sliced bread. And while most might be starters, they're not going to be the franchise players the draft gurus tout them to be. Just because Mel didn't give us the best grade doesn't mean he's any worse (or better) than any other one.

[Ashburn Dave]

C- who cares what Mel says?

The team will be relevant this year because of Shanny, McNabb and a more aggressive defense.

[BTBIRD 227]

The skins picked some depth and possible starters, especially for OL. Our draft was the Mcnabb trade. Even Gruden on the first night of the draft commented, in his opinion the most far reaching impact on this off season was the B.Allen for Gm and the D.McNabb trade, and not for just the Skins but for the NFL as a whole. Hail

[The Consigliere]

Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

A little annoyed that in his evaluation, he doesn't include Jarmon, who was the third rounder, and Carricker, who was part of the 5th/7th round.

How this can happen i don't understand. Our draft was Williams, McNabb, Jarmon, the LB, a TE/H-Back, two lineman, Carricker, a stupid trade for Jason taylor's one sack, and a lost relatively high draft pick in '11, and a 4th in '12. That's the draft.

When you look at it that way its not bad, Williams is elite potential, McNabb is not what i wanted, but he's a good placeholder till '13 when he will need to be gone (or earlier), Jarmon looked like at worst, a solid to above average rotational back up run stuffing strong side defensive end, the linebacker sounds like he should be a capable backup w/long term starting potential, the hback sounded like a wasted pick, Carricker sounds like a starter or at worst a good backup for at least 2 years, and the seventh rounders, well, 1 of the 3 in Capers sounds good, the others, not so much. That's not bad, and w/a mostly full bevy of picks for 2011 (well our top 2 anyway), hopefully we can get help next year.

The key for me lies in 4 guys: Williams being able to be a good LT, rather than just an RT, Carricker and Jarmon being viable long term, and Capers. If Capers or the tall center/guard can make it long term as a starter this is a very good draft, if just williams/carricker and jarmon are long term answers its a good one, if all we get is Williams, its a disaster, and if williams busts, its nearly Jamarcus Russell caliber disaster.

[HLF]

A little annoyed that in his evaluation, he doesn't include Jarmon, who was the third rounder, and Carricker, who was part of the 5th/7th round.

How this can happen i don't understand. Our draft was Williams, McNabb, Jarmon, the LB, a TE/H-Back, two lineman, Carricker, a stupid trade for Jason taylor's one sack, and a lost relatively high draft pick in '11, and a 4th in '12. That's the draft.



Its Mel Kiper homie, he just likes to here himself talk. :beatdeadhorse:

[TotalRecall]

Kiper's Grade:

Summary: I projected Washington to take Trent Williams with that No. 4 pick, but while I think Williams is likely the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, and should be able to go back to the left side effectively, I felt Okung was the safer pick. He was the guy most likely to take that left tackle position and solidify it from Day 1. Washington didn't pick again until No. 103 -- thanks to the Donovan McNabb trade, which factors into the grade. What also does, however, is that while they like McNabb, they get just a 2012 fourth-rounder for Jason Campbell, their starter of the past two years. So it comes down to Williams, a quarterback swap, and some linebacking and special teams depth. If Williams isn't really good, and early, this could be an empty draft in terms of added youth.

Grade: C-

That's the feeling from what I got from the draft. It looks like they scouted out their #4 pick and decided to bank the whole draft on him. I don't feel like they scouted out the later rounds. I believe we missed out on a lot of diamonds in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds. I'm getting the sense that it's Gibbs 2.0 over again. I think we should have traded down the #4 pick...even if we just got more picks and didn't get the equivalent value as per the draft value chart. I think the Trent Williams pick is still a project pick that will eventually be an effective LT.

[Horton_Predator48]

I know Mel is still angry his boy Jimmy Clausen fell so far. He is never going to give the Skins a good grade. I'm not an expert but I thought they had a terrific draft considering what they had.

[TotalRecall]

I know Mel is still angry his boy Jimmy Clausen fell so far.

I will always question his mock drafts from now on, considering he was/is a big believer in Clausen. I just don't see it.

[clskinsfan]

Mel's grade is accurate. Williams is absolutely a bigger risk than Okung. He also could be better than Okung. Capers was a great pick in the 7th. he had a poor Senior Bowl showing but I still had him in the 3rd round of my mock.

[Horton_Predator48]

Mel has great information, but I don't think it completely translates into NFL success.

[s0crates]

Interesting that Kiper had us picking Capers in the 2nd and we got him in the 7th.

[MartinC]

Has he said this? I thought I heard he was being look at more at OLB. I'd prefer him at end if he can put on the weight.

Quote below from Shanny's speech at the post draft event.

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/04/24/mike-shanahan-recaps-the-draft/

"Next guy, our third-round pick, obviously we didn't have it in the draft, but Jeremy Jarmon -- obviously, he's comin' off an ACL, but -- we really feel that he could help us at the defensive end position next year

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

The more I look at these guys, the more excited I am about our draft.