RI: Allen:"We're going 100mph getting ready for free agency"

[MattFancy]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/bruce-allen/allen-were-going-100-mph-getti.html



In case there was any doubt, Redskins fans can expect to see a very different product on the field next season.
"We are going to have a new style of defense, we are going to have a new style of offense," general manager Bruce Allen said today on ESPN 980.
"It's going to be Redskins football, and the pieces we can acquire this year will be the first steps to building that philosophy."
Allen made his comments during an in-person appearance on "The John Thompson Show," this afternoon in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Allen made a quick visit to radio row at the Super Bowl media center, making stops by the ESPN 980 table and the Sirius booth.
He offered few specifics but when he was asked about Clinton Portis' status with the team, Allen noted that the running back has met with Coach Mike Shanahan, and "we're looking forward to seeing Clinton help us win," Allen said.
Allen said he's meeting with officials from other teams in south Florida, formulating early trade ideas and plans for this fall's roster. "We're going 100 miles an hour getting ready for free agency," Allen said.

[santana_4_prez]

Oh doctor, I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

[MattFancy]

Definitely sounds like CP is going to be sticking around. I like that they are talking to other teams about trades. Nothing wrong with seeing what might be available.

[TheREALJBird]

Good to hear, Allen and Shanny have certainly hit the ground running.

[TheLongshot]

Eh, just a bunch of words right now. Call me back when the action is happening.

[HRNY4ZRNY]

Sounds good to me. Going to talk about trades?

[RenegadeTK]

GREAT to hear about the changes.... but actions speak louder than words. Either way, im pumped.

[JohnnyUtah]

I love our new FO. Things are finally heading in the right direction!

[authentic]

:munchout:....this is the best popcorn i've had in a while...more salt please!!!

[authentic]

GREAT to hear about the changes.... but actions speak louder than words. Either way, im pumped.

A name was dropped around here not too long ago. But you'll have to do some digging to find out who. :)

[JohnnyUtah]

A name was dropped around here not too long ago. But you'll have to do some digging to find out who. :)

How about a hint? I don't have a shovel.

[authentic]

How about a hint? I don't have a shovel.

Bro. how in the world do you not have a shovel and we're about to turn into the north pole in less than 24 hours? :doh:

[Hiro]

Can't wait ... can't wait ... can't wait .... :D:D:D

It feels like waiting for Christmas ...

[Taylor 36]

Interesting. Still, he didn't tell us anything. People who used to get mad at Gibbs for his coach speak better get a grip, because now we have coach AND GM speak coming from Ashburn. :)

[JohnnyUtah]

Bro. how in the world do you not have a shovel and we're about to turn into the north pole in less than 24 hours? :doh:


Haha, solid point. I'm saving my money for the bars here in Fed Hill.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

I agree with The Longshot on this one.

Just basic chitter chatter.

[authentic]

Haha, solid point. I'm saving my money for the bars here in Fed Hill.

That can't be. Dannsy boy i need more salt! :munchout:

[MattFancy]

That can't be. Danny boy i need more salt! :munchout:

canbedan? I don't get it?

[styx491]

Maybe we'll see more player for player trades this offseason, especially with us since we have fewer draft picks and with the salary cap situation the way it'll be...

[Rdskns2000]

Trades- I like that. I think it's more of the Redskins trying to trade our players for either draft picks or other teams players.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Bruce Allen basically said nothing :)

Which I think we all like

[authentic]

Trades- I like that. I think it's more of the Redskins trying to trade our players for either draft picks or other teams players.

I have a strong feeling that Carter will be part of those talks. Coming off an 11 sack season, but with no room to put him in the 3-4; common logic would place him at the top of those talks, IMO.

[authentic]

Bruce Allen basically said nothing :)

Which I think we all like

Thats what happens when you have a real and New GM :D

[Rocky21]

Finally something good from The John Thompson Show. :)

Allen has the benefit of the doubt from me at this point because he isn't Snyder or Cerrato. Go Skins!

[holmester]

This is what I saw out of the OP.


In case there was any doubt, Redskins fans can expect to see a very different product on the field next season.
"We are going to have a new style of defense, we are going to have a new style of offense," general manager Bruce Allen said today on ESPN 980.
"It's going to be Redskins football, and the pieces we can acquire this year will be the first steps to building that philosophy."
Allen made his comments during an in-person appearance on "The John Thompson Show," this afternoon in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Allen made a quick visit to radio row at the Super Bowl media center, making stops by the ESPN 980 table and the Sirius booth.
He offered few specifics but when he was asked about Clinton Portis' status with the team, Allen noted that the running back has met with Coach Mike Shanahan, and "we're looking forward to seeing Clinton help us win," Allen said. Allen said he's meeting with officials from other teams in south Florida, formulating early trade ideas and plans for this fall's roster. "We're going 100 miles an hour getting ready for free agency," Allen said.

[Buford]

Here is what's going to happen. Teams that used to play Vinny for a sucker will try to play Bruce.

If it works...we're ****ed.

If it doesn't.....hooray!

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

this is what i saw out of the op.

That quote is certainly something to like.

[robotfire]

Is it just me, or is Bruce Allen a master at getting you pumped up without actually saying anything at all? He's sort of a politician in that way, just like his brother. It's a welcome change from the previous bumbling moron. Allen seems like the kind of manager that people will want to follow.

[holmester]

That quote is certainly something to like.

I hope we go buck-wild with trades this offseason. There are so many players I want gone and some I just feel it is time to get value for in order to rebuild.

[McD5]

Is it just me, or is Bruce Allen a master at getting you pumped up without actually saying anything at all? He's sort of a politician in that way, just like his brother. It's a welcome change from the previous bumbling moron. Allen seems like the kind of manager that people will want to follow.

He is professional. That is the best way to describe him.

As time goes on, fans will realize more and more just how bad we were.

We truly were a joke, that never had any chance of competing for the division.

The media was right, year after year.

Regardless of records, our organization had to be one of the bottom three in the league.

[Hiro]

Here is what's going to happen. Teams that used to play Vinny for a sucker will try to play Bruce.

If it works...we're ****ed.

If it doesn't.....hooray!
You know for some reason ... this:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/080209/GAL-08Feb09-103861/media/PHO-08Feb09-196683.jpg

Doesn't seem nearly as gullible or stupid as ... this ...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/cerratoeagles09bpregame.jpg

Anyone else still overjoyed that he's a goner? :D

[Laxpunk2006]

I expect to see Clinton back as I have all along but that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement that he will be. Herschel Walker helped the Cowboys win, by being traded.

[Rocky21]

He is professional. That is the best way to describe him.So what you're saying is he's no kindergarden ninja?

[Hiro]

So what you're saying is he's no kindergarden ninja?
http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/cerratomovie.jpg
"Nobody messes with our department. Nobody."

[illone]

Nice to hear these guys are working hard to undo the abortion that cer**** gave us the past decade.

[warriorz]

One sentance he says we expect to see Clinton back and helping us win...and the next he says we are talking to teams about trades... *Cue suspense music*

[robotfire]

He is professional. That is the best way to describe him.

As time goes on, fans will realize more and more just how bad we were.

We truly were a joke, that never had any chance of competing for the division.

The media was right, year after year.

Regardless of records, our organization had to be one of the bottom three in the league.Well, we weren't "one of the bottom three", because our record was rarely in the bottom three. We were, however, very very bad and (except for the three seasons we went to the playoffs) we never did anything of value. It's obvious looking back that the problem was always the front office. In fairness, what else could it be? It all starts at the top.

I have a strong hunch that Vinny got rid of Gregg Williams because Williams was competent and brutal. Vinny made Zorn the coach because Zorn was nice and incompetent (at this stage in his career). I'm sure he thought, "This guy Williams is a competent jerk, just like Shottenheimer. I'd better ship him out."

[apickmans]

I have a strong feeling that Carter will be part of those talks. Coming off an 11 sack season, but with no room to put him in the 3-4; common logic would place him at the top of those talks, IMO.

I wonder what kind of draft pick(s) we would get for Carter. I seriously have no idea what kind of draft value he has.

[Mad Mike]

Herschel Walker helped the Cowboys win, by being traded.

:rotflmao:

[SkinsHokieFan]

I wonder what kind of draft pick(s) we would get for Carter. I seriously have no idea what kind of draft value he has.

4th or lower

Santana could get a 3rd (I think Baltimore would be a great partner there)

Carlos? 3rd or lower

Jason Campbell? 3rd or lower

Just off the top of my head

[Rufus T Firefly]

4th or lower

Santana could get a 3rd (I think Baltimore would be a great partner there)

Carlos? 3rd or lower

Jason Campbell? 3rd or lower

Just off the top of my head

I disagree on Carter. He's produced double-digit sacks 2 of the last 3 years (was injured the other) and is solid against the run for a pass rushing DE. Plus his contract is very reasonable for the level of player he is. He should be worth more than a 4th.

[apickmans]

4th or lower

Santana could get a 3rd (I think Baltimore would be a great partner there)

Carlos? 3rd or lower

Jason Campbell? 3rd or lower

Just off the top of my head

Your projections sound pretty realistic to me.

[holmester]

4th or lower

Santana could get a 3rd (I think Baltimore would be a great partner there)

Carlos? 3rd or lower

Jason Campbell? 3rd or lower

Just off the top of my head

Landry? high 2nd

Cooley or Davis? high 2nd and 5th

Rocky? low 2nd or 3rd (I would rather not trade him though, hopefully he fits in the teams long term plans)

[boobiemiles]

We don't need a new defense. We need a new offensive line to dominate the line of scrimmage, a running back to chew up the clock the in the 4th quarter, and special teams that gives us great feild position. I hope Bruce Allen doesn't feel he has to re-invent the wheel. Sometimes all you have to do is tweek a few things, and your vehicle can run real nice, and hit a 100mph without mashing your foot on the gas pedal. You don't have to do something drastic to get results. What we need is a Stephen Jackson type back, and a line that can atleast hold the Hogs jock strap.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

I really want to believe all of this change stuff...but really, I can't until I see it in action.

[KokoMike]

I would not be surprised to see a blockbuster package trade or two.

Remember George Allen and his first year? 9-4-1, then 11-3, then 10-4, then 10-4. How did that happen? The future is now! I'm sure his son remembers well.

edit: I ranted here about Jason Campbell, and deleted it because it ticked me off.

George Allen did some package deals and we got a whole new slew of guys who were committed to win, and they did. And, you know, they weren't told they would have time to get it done. It was the future is now. New life was breathed into the team and fans.

So, enough of the guys who are sucking the life out of the team and fans. Let's get some winners in here!!! And, no security blankets nor really, really sensitive guys who need hand holding. (you know who they are)

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

P.S. Vinnie did NOT know what I was talking about.

[RedskinsTime]

edit: I ranted here about Jason Campbell, and deleted it because it ticked me off.

Good. This is actually a legitimate thread, so don't ruin it. Take that JC garbage over to one of the clown threads.

[KokoMike]

4th or lower

Santana could get a 3rd (I think Baltimore would be a great partner there)

Carlos? 3rd or lower

Jason Campbell? 3rd or lower

Just off the top of my head

A package deal could get us a couple of # 2's, even a low # 1, plus a player or two.

[pennyizer]

Trades- I like that. I think it's more of the Redskins trying to trade our players for either draft picks or other teams players.


Seriously? As opposed to what, the Skins trading players for cash considerations, maybe a minor league player to be named later, how about Clinton Portis for a 20oz Dr. Pepper and a Big Bite?

[Warpath11]

I would not be surprised to see a blockbuster package trade or two.

Remember George Allen and his first year? 9-4-1, then 11-3, then 10-4, then 10-4. How did that happen? The future is now! I'm sure his son remembers well.

edit: I ranted here about Jason Campbell, and deleted it because it ticked me off.

George Allen did some package deals and we got a whole new slew of guys who were committed to win, and they did. And, you know, they weren't told they would have time to get it done. It was the future is now. New life was breathed into the team and fans.

So, enough of the guys who are sucking the life out of the team and fans. Let's get some winners in here!!! And, no security blankets nor really, really sensitive guys who need hand holding. (you know who they are)

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

P.S. Vinnie did NOT know what I was talking about.

Even in an uncapped year I think it will be hard to pull of trades of great magnitutde. While possible, and more likely than with a capped year, it will be very hard to actually pull off (with all the unknowns surrounding the new CBA, when it gets put in place).

[KokoMike]

Right around the 1971 draft, George Allen's first with the Skins, he traded for Billy Kilmer, Jack Pardee, Myron Pottios, Maxie Baughan, Diron Talbert, John Wilbur, Jeff Jordan, and Boyd Dowler, and then traded for Ritchie Petitbon and Ron McDole.

Those guys didn't mess around, and you didn't mess with them.

We went 9-4-1, the most victories for the Redskins in 29 years. Then, it was an NFC best 11-3 in 1972.

I would not be surprised to see a major shake-up with the Skins.

[KokoMike]

I will agree that the CBA situation is confusing, but I'll bet some team is going to beat the system and I hope it is the Skins.

[TK]

Cooley or Davis? high 2nd and 5th
Not going to happen.

[holmester]

Not going to happen.

Damn tea leaves. Always shooting down my hopes and dreams. :mad:

[boobiemiles]

You guys referring to 1971 are crazy. The skins sucked so bad back then.

Front-office disarray and integration (1946–1970)
The team's early success endeared them to the fans of Washington, D.C. However, after 1945, the Redskins began a slow decline that they did not end until a playoff appearance in the 1971 season.[17] The Redskins had four different head coaches from 1946 to 1951, including former players Turk Edwards and Dick Todd as well as John Whelchel and Herman Ball, and none were too successful. But this did not stop George Preston Marshall from trying to make the Redskins the most successful franchise in the league. His first major alteration to the franchise in the 1950s happened on June 14, 1950, when it was announced that American Oil Company planned to televise all Redskins games, making Washington the first NFL team to have an entire season of televised games.[26][27] His next major change came in February 1952, when he hired former Green Bay Packers coach Earl "Curly" Lambeau.[27] But, after two seasons, Marshall fired Lambeau following the Redskins loss in their exhibition opener to the Los Angeles Rams and hired Joe Kuharich.[27] In 1955, Kuharich led the Redskins to their first winning season in ten years and was named both Sporting News Coach of the Year and UPI NFL Coach of the Year.[28]

In 1961, the Redskins moved into their new stadium called D.C. Stadium (changed to Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium in 1969). The first game in new D.C. Stadium occurred on October 1, 1961 in front of 37,767 fans. However, the Redskins failed to hold a 21–7 lead and lost to the New York Giants 24–21.[29] That same year, Bill McPeak became the head coach and had a record of 21–46–3 over five seasons. During his tenure, he is helped draft future stars like wide receiver Charley Taylor, tight end Jerry Smith, safety Paul Krause, center Len Hauss, and linebacker Chris Hanburger.[30] He also helped pull off two important trades, gaining quarterback Sonny Jurgensen from the Philadelphia Eagles and linebacker Sam Huff from the New York Giants.[31]

One reason for the team's struggles was disarray in the front office. Marshall, Team owner and President, began a mental decline in 1962, and the team's other stockholders found it difficult to make decisions without their boss. Marshall died on August 9, 1969,[29] and Edward Bennett Williams, a minority stockholder who was a Washington resident and one of America's most esteemed attorneys, was chosen to run the franchise while the majority stockholder, Jack Kent Cooke, lived in Los Angeles and ran his basketball team, the Los Angeles Lakers.[32] Also in 1969, the Redskins hired Vince Lombardi — who gained fame coaching with the Green Bay Packers — to be their new head coach.[33] Lombardi led the team to a 7–5–2 record,[17] their best since 1955, but died of cancer on the eve of the 1970 season.[33] Assistant coach Bill Austin was chosen to replace Lombardi during 1970 and produced a record of 6–8.[17]

Integration controversy
During most this unsuccessful period, Marshall continued to refuse to integrate the team, despite pressure from The Washington Post and the federal government of the United States.[34] On March 24, 1961, Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall warned Marshall to hire black players or face federal retribution. For the first time in history, the federal government had attempted to desegregate a professional sports team.[35] The Redskins were under the threat of civil rights legal action by the Kennedy administration, which would have prevented a segregated team from playing at the new D.C. Stadium, as it was owned by the U.S. Department of the Interior and thus federal government property.

In 1962, they became the final professional football franchise to integrate. First, the Redskins drafted Ernie Davis, the first black player to win the Heisman Trophy.[35] With their second pick in the draft, the Redskins chose another black halfback, Joe Hernandez from Arizona. They also took black fullback Ron Hatcher in the eighth round, a player from Michigan State who became the first black football player to sign a contract with the Redskins.[35] But, in mid-December, Marshall announced that on the day of the NFL draft he had traded the rights to Davis to the Cleveland Browns, who wanted Davis to join the league's leading rusher, Jim Brown, in their backfield. Davis was traded to the Browns for running back Bobby Mitchell (who became a wide receiver in Washington) and 1962 first-round draft choice Leroy Jackson.[35][36] The move was made under unfortunate circumstances - as it turned out that Davis had leukemia, and died without ever playing a down in professional football.[35] Mitchell was joined by black stars like receiver Charley Taylor, running back Larry Brown, defensive back Brig Owens, and guard John Nisby from the Pittsburgh Steelers.[35] The Redskins ended the 1962 season with their best record in five years: 5–7–2. Mitchell led the league with eleven touchdowns, and caught 72 passes and was selected to the Pro Bowl.


Barring a repeal of the Civil Rights bill, and Dan Snyder doing his Dr. Jerkle routine, we should be ok with a dominate offensive line, and clock burning running game.

[daveakl]

Landry? high 2nd

Cooley or Davis? high 2nd and 5th

Rocky? low 2nd or 3rd (I would rather not trade him though, hopefully he fits in the teams long term plans)

Landry will get at best a 3rd. Think it like this, would you rather pay Landry big money or draft a guy in the 1-3 round to play the same spot at a fraction of the cost. Esp. with not knowing how the cap will/will not play out in the future.

Cooley at best a 2nd, again, a guy coming off an injury and being in line for a big contract vs. a 1-2 round TE that is cheap and long term.

Rocky at best a 4th. Teams can draft 1-3 LB's that are as good as Rocky and much much cheaper.

This all is the same for CR, CP, JC, AC, etc.

Teams do not want to trade draft picks for guys that are about to hit big contracts.

(well, we did, but good teams do not)

[TheLongshot]

You know for some reason ... this:

[Removed image of Allen]

Doesn't seem nearly as gullible or stupid as ... this ...

[Removed image of Vinny]

Anyone else still overjoyed that he's a goner? :D

Well, right now things are just perception. Allen says some rah-rah stuff of little substance and people get excited because he happens to be a pretty good public speaker.

As I said, words mean little and there is little of substance that has happened so far to suggest that things will get better. I mean, we were all excited when Gibbs got here and thought great things were going to happen under him. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. There is no guarantee that it will happen this time either.

What has to happen for long-term success is actually having a long-term plan that you stick to. Whether if it was by choice or not, Snyder hasn't been able to do that.

[holmester]

Teams do not want to trade draft picks for guys that are about to hit big contracts.

(well, we did, but good teams do not)

Thats why we need to get the Al Davis on the phone ASAP.

[daveakl]

Thats why we need to get the Al Davis on the phone ASAP.

Maybe we can trade CR and a 7th next year for Asomugha ;)

[maskedsuperstar]

We don't need a new defense.

Yeah, you are right. The defense was so dominant.:(

[thesubmittedone]

Can't wait to see what we do.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Not going to happen.

Well, that's the price Winslow and Shockey netted (except those were mid 2nds as opposed to high 2nds)

[SkinsFanMania]

Bro. how in the world do you not have a shovel and we're about to turn into the north pole in less than 24 hours? :doh:

yeah, you are right. I think mother nature lost her map. This is the DC area not Buffalo. I love snow, but I can't stand shoveling it, and my dog hates it as she can't find a blade of grass.

[TheLongshot]

Well, that's the price Winslow and Shockey netted (except those were mid 2nds as opposed to high 2nds)

I think he was suggesting that neither player is going anywhere.

[Blue Collar Skins]

Eh, just a bunch of words right now. Call me back when the action is happening.

Definitely agree

[Braxford]

This is just typical FO speak. What was he supposed to say? "We are all just hanging around Redskins Park playing cards and knocking back cold ones." He is talking about trades even if he is not meeting with other teams to "put it out there" that the Skins are a potentially willing partner. Still it is nice having competent people in charge of the organization. Good things will come.

[The Tris]

A package deal could get us a couple of # 2's, even a low # 1, plus a player or two.

I think we are going to try and get a bunch of lower round picks than a single first round pick.

redskinsblog (http://twitter.com/redskinsblog)

On @ESPNRadio980 (http://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980), Bruce Allen: "Right now, this team, we do need an infusion of youth onto this team." Alludes to picking up extra picks.

We need lots of young players, not one or two. So I see Allen trying to trade multiple vets for realistic picks, SHF seemed pretty realistic about those expectations.

and this was pretty awesome, if true:

redskinsblog (http://twitter.com/redskinsblog)

On @ESPNRadio980 (http://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980), Bruce Allen says he and Shanahan have total autonomy on decisions. Appreciates Daniel Snyder's willingness to spend.

[HigSkin]

I think he was suggesting that neither player is going anywhere.

Bingo, err can't use that one anymore...on point or exactly!

[Rufus T Firefly]

I think he was suggesting that neither player is going anywhere.

Well, that's an odd thing to an add to a discussion of what certain players' trade value would be.

[authentic]

canbedan? I don't get it?

You asked for a clue didn't you. I'm not giving more than that.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

A name was dropped around here not too long ago. But you'll have to do some digging to find out who. :)

For those of us slower than the rest, did this ever get cleared up?


You asked for a clue didn't you. I'm not giving more than that.

...and I guess that's a no :(

[TheLongshot]

Well, that's an odd thing to an add to a discussion of what certain players' trade value would be.

I think the whole discussion is odd when no one here knows what teams would pay for certain players. They also don't know at what point the team would actually trade a player.

Really, it is what the market will bear, and we have no clue what the market actually is, and to paraphrase Jim Mora, we will never know.

[cphil006]

That sounds much better than Vinny's motto of: "Identify and Attack"

:doh: it was ridiculed across the land.

[HigSkin]

For those of us slower than the rest, did this ever get cleared up?



...and I guess that's a no :(

dans be the LB......

[STBonecrusher21]

For those of us slower than the rest, did this ever get cleared up?



...and I guess that's a no :(

I know who it is

I know who it is

Nah na na nah na!

:evilg:

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

dans be the LB......

:high5:

[Rufus T Firefly]

I think the whole discussion is odd when no one here knows what teams would pay for certain players. They also don't know at what point the team would actually trade a player.

Really, it is what the market will bear, and we have no clue what the market actually is, and to paraphrase Jim Mora, we will never know.

I don't think it's odd at all for a discussion of what people think certain players value would be if they were traded. we don't "know" any more than we know what college players will play well in the pros or what coaches will do a good job, etc. In other words, if that kind of thing is too odd to be discussed, then I'm not sure what the point of a football message board in general should be.

But to the original point- we have a discussion of what players' trade values might be if they were dealt. You have someone single out one scenario of the many and say "not going to happen". If the point was just to say that that one certain player isn't going to be traded, I'm not sure what the 'point' is (no one said any of them would be traded, just discussing what their values might be) or why it wasn't made more clearly. Hence, my assumption that it was a post about value and my reply.

[The Rook]

Does anyone else see the irony of so many ESers talking about trading players for draft picks when Allen's dad concept of "The Future is Now" was to trade draft picks for players.

:hysterical:

Maybe you are misreading the trade comment. Chew on that.









:helmet:The Rook

[skinpride1]

I hope we don't trade Cooley! I would rather see Moss go than Cooley.

[Hitman#21]

I hope we don't trade Cooley! I would rather see Moss go than Cooley.
Agreed.

[SWFLSkins]

Here is what's going to happen. Teams that used to play Vinny for a sucker will try to play Bruce.

If it works...we're ****ed.

If it doesn't.....hooray!

Buford? Is that you? I can't believe your stating that. Bruce is no Vinny, and everyone in the NFL knows that. :helmet:

[Rypien1191]

Look for us to try and trade #4 to Seattle for #14 and #40.

Likely landing us 2 OL and a RB, or 3 OL.

FA and lower rounds will be Defense oriented.

[SWFLSkins]

I hope we don't trade Cooley! I would rather see Moss go than Cooley.

Depends on what we get. I mean Cooley is great and I would love to keep him, but this team needs two starting lineman at the least.

[authentic]

Depends on what we get. I mean Cooley is great and I would love to keep him, but this team needs two starting lineman at the least.

like TK said...scratch Cooley off your trade scenario.

[SWFLSkins]

We don't need a new defense. We need a new offensive line to dominate the line of scrimmage, a running back to chew up the clock the in the 4th quarter, and special teams that gives us great feild position. I hope Bruce Allen doesn't feel he has to re-invent the wheel. Sometimes all you have to do is tweek a few things, and your vehicle can run real nice, and hit a 100mph without mashing your foot on the gas pedal. You don't have to do something drastic to get results. What we need is a Stephen Jackson type back, and a line that can atleast hold the Hogs jock strap.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

I do agree, but I don't think they do-with the Defense part anyway. This vehicle has all new drivers who are going with different tires all around. Get in, Get on, or get run over.

[SWFLSkins]

like TK said...scratch Cooley off your trade scenario.

TK may indeed be right, but you never really know, which is good. If some team does value Cooley too high, they would pull that trigger. And yes, Herschel Walker did help the Cowboys win, only by being traded.

[authentic]

TK may indeed be right, but you never really know, which is good. If some team does value Cooley too high, they would pull that trigger. And yes, Herschel Walker did help the Cowboys win, only by being traded.

But how many teams are that desperate for a TE?

[Ashburn Dave]

Bruce Allen basically said nothing :)

Which I think we all like

We most definitely do!

[LeftCoast Skinz FAN]

The more I read about Allen and Shanahan the more excited I get about next season. I can't wait to see what the Skins are going to look like in the 2011 season. I am expecting to see some serious changes going on.

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

I really like what the man is saying. At first, I was kind of skeptical of signing Allen because he was fired from the Bucs (even though they were much better last year than this year) and because he's not known for his personnel decisions, but that doesn't really matter because you can always hire people to scout and look for talent that fits our team. Bruce seems like a great leader in the front office and it looks like he definitely knows what he is doing.... as opposed to Vinny "I, uh.... Samuels, its all mental. he'll be fine". Whomp

[CooleyKnight]

I agree with the people that are waiting to see some action. Words are words.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I agree with the people that are waiting to see some action. Words are words.

Start drinking the Kool-Aid :cheers:

I believe everything that Allen says. At this point I want him to have my children.

[authentic]

Start drinking the Kool-Aid :cheers:

I believe everything that Allen says. At this point I want him to have my children.

I hope you are a female.

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

I hope you are a female.

He probably isn't. That's the beautiful thing

[skinsince72]

Here's my two cents:

I think the changes/acquisitions/draft picks will not wow us a bit. I think it will be in a direction we've never seen before. We've come to expect big signings and big names. Allen and Shanny should make smart moves that have vision and not the wow factor.

[Hail-to-da-skins-21]

Here's my two cents:

I think the changes/acquisitions/draft picks will not wow us a bit. I think it will be in a direction we've never seen before. We've come to expect big signings and big names. Allen and Shanny should make smart moves that have vision and not the wow factor.

I think a linemen who could block would wow every skin fan :drooley:

[TheLongshot]

I don't think it's odd at all for a discussion of what people think certain players value would be if they were traded. we don't "know" any more than we know what college players will play well in the pros or what coaches will do a good job, etc. In other words, if that kind of thing is too odd to be discussed, then I'm not sure what the point of a football message board in general should be.

But to the original point- we have a discussion of what players' trade values might be if they were dealt. You have someone single out one scenario of the many and say "not going to happen". If the point was just to say that that one certain player isn't going to be traded, I'm not sure what the 'point' is (no one said any of them would be traded, just discussing what their values might be) or why it wasn't made more clearly. Hence, my assumption that it was a post about value and my reply.

The difference with the draft is that we at least have the input from "draft experts" to weigh where players are likely to be. We also know what our team's needs.

What are you using to judge the value of a player? I guess you can use historical data as a starting point, but that doesn't say anything about who would be interested and what they would be interested in paying for such a player.

Really, it is all just spitballing with no real data to back it up.

[pilsburypgh]

Sounds good. Except the fact that they are even considering keeping Portis, is to me a bad choice.

[Laxpunk2006]

Sounds good. Except the fact that they are even considering keeping Portis, is to me a bad choice.

We have to pay him either way so even if his only use is as JC's personal protector (remember Archuletta being the "personal punt protector" :ols:) then he's getting us better value than letting him walk.

[wvufootball1976]

Oh doctor, I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

Yea I'm getting pretty pumped too. Just a whole different feeling than I've had for about the last 15 yrs. Got excited when Gibbs came back and we went to the playoffs twice. But between Allen and Shanahan I'm feeling even better about next season than I ever have. We deserve a great year.

[SAli457180]

I feel like whenever Allen speaks, it's a must listen. As opposed to Vinny where I felt like :doh: and WTF is guy even talking.

[sens11]

Would you expect them to say anything else? Maybe that they are going 110 MPH? :evilg:

[Assassin 21]

Well if andre carter is really being traded it seems we are really going for the 3-4 thing.

I reallly hate the idea of the 3-4, this is the one thing that has really disturbed me this offseason...

[styx491]

Well if andre carter is really being traded it seems we are really going for the 3-4 thing.

I reallly hate the idea of the 3-4, this is the one thing that has really disturbed me this offseason...

Yea, as much as I would not like Carter to leave, he can be expended due to age and scheme.

I think we should keep in mind that Shanahan spent some weeks looking over what he wanted to do and analyzing this offense and defense to see if it was feasible. It's definitely a major change since our players don't seem to fit it but like many has said, its time some genuine trust came back into our franchise, and I feel like this time it's for real. I hope I'm not wrong but we have a couple of years until I'll admit to that haha.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

Despite my NAME and SIG, I would like to see Landry get traded- but I don't think that will happen right now.

He played SO poorly last season that our best bet is to try to get one more (IMPROVED) season out of him and see if we can increase his trade value. Every team we played seemed to go directly at #30 once it became obvious that he was terrible in coverage.

When that happens, I'm changing over to:

SippinOnGinNBruce

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

Despite my NAME and SIG, I would like to see Landry get traded- but I don't think that will happen right now.

He played SO poorly last season that our best bet is to try to get one more (IMPROVED) season out of him and see if we can increase his trade value. Every team we played seemed to go directly at #30 once it became obvious that he was terrible in coverage.

When that happens, I'm changing over to:

SippinOnGinNBruce

lol great choice. careful, or someone might steal it!

[CAPT_CHAOS47]

hehehehehehe...i am gitty like a school girl..hehehehehehe

[KokoMike]

After 4-12, the thing that would disturb me most is status quo. I like an aggressive offseason. As far as the team is concerned, competition will be something new, and I hope they say it and mean it.

The culture of the 2009 Skins was soft. We really do need to get an edge.

[Shiv]

Is it just me or does it sound like we actually have competncy running the FO now. Allen just sounds like a real leader. I can't remeber the last time we had that.

[GIBBS LIVES]

Allen really makes me feel confident in the FO. For the first time in 10 years. But I want a message sent by trading Portis and getting his premodonna @ss out of here. I want them to send a message that the coach and GM run this team now. Not Snyder!

[Redskins4ever]

This past season, there wasn't hardly anything to cheer about. With Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan in place, there's renewed optimism that the Redskins will be a winner on the field again. I can't wait until free agency and the NFL draft to see this team remade before our very eyes.

[Spartacus87]

Is it just me or does it sound like we actually have competncy running the FO now. Allen just sounds like a real leader. I can't remeber the last time we had that. I don't think a lot of people around the league can remember it.

I doubt guys like Bill Polian and Scott Pioli even had Vinny's phone number.

It's hard to put into words how much greater the Redskins' credibility is as an organization today compared to a few months ago.

[Coolio47]

I like that they are talking to other teams about trades. Nothing wrong with seeing what might be available.

With the talk of Joey Porter wanting out of Miami, I wonder if he would be one of the possibilities of a trade since he has experience in the 3-4. Just a thought.

[Oldskool]

You all are acting like kids at Christmas eve, but don't get your hopes up.

Free Agency with no CBA is Christmas Day at a welfare house.

[Coolio47]

You asked for a clue didn't you. I'm not giving more than that.
Pssssh, clearly you're talking about Carlos Dansby. :evilg:

[AC IS ART 2]

Pssssh, clearly you're talking about Carlos Dansby. :evilg:
Would have been so much easier for everyone if he just said that in his first post. He's a very talented player, hope we get him.

[holmester]

I'm still seeing a lot of hope for a one year turn around. Have we not learned our lesson. This is a five year plan. There is a reason we were the fourth worst team in the league. Its gonna take patience. I expect to suck next year and be semi competitive in 2012. Vinny ****ed us, lets give Bruce and shanny time to repair.

[BigMike21]

With the talk of Joey Porter wanting out of Miami, I wonder if he would be one of the possibilities of a trade since he has experience in the 3-4. Just a thought.

God I hope not I seriously hate that guy.

[icbmayday]

Can't wait to see what kind of team they put together

[SkinsTerps26]

his hint sucked because his name is Karlos Dansby

[Wild West]

And you guys thought that they would be conservative this year. It sure doesn't sound like it to me.

[Hokieskins1]

I'm still seeing a lot of hope for a one year turn around. Have we not learned our lesson. This is a five year plan. There is a reason we were the fourth worst team in the league. Its gonna take patience. I expect to suck next year and be semi competitive in 2012. Vinny ****ed us, lets give Bruce and shanny time to repair.


I feel ya on this one. I would love for us to come out next season and do what the Dolphins did two years ago, but I am kind of expecting to take a few lumps for a couple years. I do feel however that we are moving in the right direction.

[MattFancy]

I'm still seeing a lot of hope for a one year turn around. Have we not learned our lesson. This is a five year plan. There is a reason we were the fourth worst team in the league. Its gonna take patience. I expect to suck next year and be semi competitive in 2012. Vinny ****ed us, lets give Bruce and shanny time to repair.

I don't think it will take that long. Teams have turned things around quickly lately.

The Dolphins went 1-15 in 2007, in 2008 they went 11-5 and won the division.

The Panthers went 1-15 in 2001, in 2003 they went 11-5 and played in the Super Bowl.

The Saints went 3-13 in 2005, in 2006 they went 10-6 and were in the NFC Championship game.

The Falcons went 4-12 in 2007, in 2008 they went 11-5.

I'm not saying we'll have instant success, but its not crazy for people to think that it could happen.

[kappaluvacee]

Ladies and gentlemen, that sound you hear coming from Redskins Park is "competence," listen closely!

[AngloSackSon]

Landry is a likely trade option.

With his attitude to offseason conditioning, and his meager contributions on field, I would guess the new regime could use him to make a clear example to the rest of the team, of what is expected.

There are plenty of teams out there that would be very interested in him. Specifically, the top two NFC teams, Minnesota, and NO...:2cents:

edit to say: I feel we could get a 3rd and a 4th, or future pick

[LD0506]

I don't know exactly how people just dismiss this as coach/GM speak. To me the essential comment made was:

"It's going to be Redskins football, and the pieces we can acquire this year will be the first steps to building that philosophy."

Acquiring specific critical pieces to fit within a clear philosophy of what this team should be- that is a HUGE change! Instead on Vinnythe Bobblehead running all over trying to get the latest shiny toy like a magpie on crack, we have a GM and HC working together not just to get players, but rebuild the organization. They have already made some very good choices for assembling their staff, and have done it in the same fashion. Not just picking who the "best" is, but the best ones to fit their team and scheme. It is going to take a few years to carefully assemble everything but doing it from the ground up, building a solid foundation for the next levels? That is a change of cosmic proportions.

[boobiemiles]

++++++++++++++++++++++++

I do agree, but I don't think they do-with the Defense part anyway. This vehicle has all new drivers who are going with different tires all around. Get in, Get on, or get run over.
Which scares me. The comments about the defense is crazy to me. We have a stout defense right now. Our defense may not create turn overs, but we are a 10 ten defense already. I am infering that Allen plans to implement the 3-4 but that is a step back in my opinion. At this time we don't have the personel. Everybody is talking about Sam Bradford being the #4 pick. But honestly if we switch to the 3-4 we are going to need a legitimate nose tackle. Now we maybe able to find a Ratcliff type player later in the draft, but that is rare.

Whatever Allen plans to do, it has to succeed quickly. Dan Snyder has made Redskins fans think we are the Yankees, and we have expectations to win every year. I don't think he has the time to try a rebuilding project, not when it comes to the Redskins.

[jsharrin55]

I think we are going to try and get a bunch of lower round picks than a single first round pick.

redskinsblog (http://twitter.com/redskinsblog)

On @ESPNRadio980 (http://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980), Bruce Allen: "Right now, this team, we do need an infusion of youth onto this team." Alludes to picking up extra picks.

We need lots of young players, not one or two. So I see Allen trying to trade multiple vets for realistic picks, SHF seemed pretty realistic about those expectations.

and this was pretty awesome, if true:

redskinsblog (http://twitter.com/redskinsblog)

On @ESPNRadio980 (http://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980), Bruce Allen says he and Shanahan have total autonomy on decisions. Appreciates Daniel Snyder's willingness to spend.

I'd love to find a way to get a bunch of 3rd/4th rounders.

[texasthunder]

I don't know exactly how people just dismiss this as coach/GM speak. To me the essential comment made was:

"It's going to be Redskins football, and the pieces we can acquire this year will be the first steps to building that philosophy."

Acquiring specific critical pieces to fit within a clear philosophy of what this team should be- that is a HUGE change! Instead on Vinnythe Bobblehead running all over trying to get the latest shiny toy like a magpie on crack, we have a GM and HC working together not just to get players, but rebuild the organization. They have already made some very good choices for assembling their staff, and have done it in the same fashion. Not just picking who the "best" is, but the best ones to fit their team and scheme. It is going to take a few years to carefully assemble everything but doing it from the ground up, building a solid foundation for the next levels? That is a change of cosmic proportions.



Here, Here !!!!!

After going 4-12, being embarresed in prime time games, being the butt of so many jokes and the terrible play calling, I see nothing wrong with some positive enthusiasm.

We may not make the playoffs, we may end up 8-8 next year, but I bet we are alot more competitive, and the team as a whole will perform like a professional orginazation.

[The Tris]

I don't think it will take that long. Teams have turned things around quickly lately.

The Dolphins went 1-15 in 2007, in 2008 they went 11-5 and won the division.

The Panthers went 1-15 in 2001, in 2003 they went 11-5 and played in the Super Bowl.

The Saints went 3-13 in 2005, in 2006 they went 10-6 and were in the NFC Championship game.

The Falcons went 4-12 in 2007, in 2008 they went 11-5.

I'm not saying we'll have instant success, but its not crazy for people to think that it could happen.

Common trait among all four of those teams.....

New QB.

[dahibachi]

they also had new coaches and new philosophies...... so the QB is the next step!

Sam Bradford time

[daveakl]

Common trait among all four of those teams.....

New QB.

rebuilt O-Lines also. lol

[zskins]

As long as BA doesn't get a speeding ticket for reckless driving - I am cool with it.:D

[LD0506]

Common trait among all four of those teams.....

New QB.

True, but more than that, QBs in the right system used to their strengths as a part of a clear overall thought process, not just a bandaid on a broken bone.

I'll accept even a losing season if in the process fundamentals are restored and we build a firm basis for improvement in the coming years.

[endzone_dave]

Allen said he's meeting with officials from other teams in south Florida, formulating early trade ideas and plans for this fall's roster. "We're going 100 miles an hour getting ready for free agency," Allen said.

Now that's Redskins football.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Definitely sounds like CP is going to be sticking around. I like that they are talking to other teams about trades. Nothing wrong with seeing what might be available.

Yeah, me too!

[Arsenic]

Anyone else still overjoyed that he's a goner? :D

VCerrato was such a cokehead.. How the media didnt pickup on that, as critical as they were/are, Ill never know...

[TheMarionBarberHitman]

as much as i like albert haynesworth hopefully they are thinking of trading him :P bc id much rather have wilfork in the 3-4, he has a better work ethic and was brought up in an organization that knows how to win.

[CooleyKnight]

Well if andre carter is really being traded it seems we are really going for the 3-4 thing.

I reallly hate the idea of the 3-4, this is the one thing that has really disturbed me this offseason...


I can't see us making a complete switch to the 3-4. I see us adding situation packages.

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

as much as i like albert haynesworth hopefully they are thinking of trading him :P bc id much rather have wilfork in the 3-4, he has a better work ethic and was brought up in an organization that knows how to win.

Who is going to take on that monstrosity of a contract? MAYBE the Bucs, and I say MAYBE. Apparently, that's what they were gonna pay him anyways, right? And they have a reputation for being cheap! Well, doubt they're getting Suh but they will very likely have the opportunity to land McCoy in the draft.

[Kindred]

It sounds like we finally have a unified vision and a plan to accomplish that vision. i.e. the coach wants to run a certain type of system and the FO works with him to put in places all the right pieces to run that system.

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

I can't see us making a complete switch to the 3-4. I see us adding situation packages.

I agree for the upcoming season, but in two years expect a near complete switch. It's hard to do it in only one year if you don't have all the personnel. Green Bay and Denver did pull it off nicely this season, though.

[BigMike21]

VCerrato was such a cokehead.. How the media didnt pickup on that, as critical as they were/are, Ill never know...

really?

[Boss_Hogg]

I wonder who is on trading block for other teams.

[cphil006]

I can't see us making a complete switch to the 3-4. I see us adding situation packages.

bingo....

[cphil006]

VCerrato was such a cokehead.. How the media didnt pickup on that, as critical as they were/are, Ill never know...

I still remember him talking his strategy regarding the free agency: "we are going to Identify and Attack"

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

I can't see us making a complete switch to the 3-4. I see us adding situation packages.

Actually, perhaps you are right. This is from an article on redskins.com in reference to the same interview:

And asked how the team foresees using Albert Haynesworth, Allen replied: “The coaches will put the players in position to help us win. It’s all about how we prepare for an individual opponent. You might see a different look in Week 3 than you did in Week 1.

That looks to me like they will use different aspects from the 4-3 as well as the 3-4 depending on who they're playing, whatever scheme will be most effective. Sounds complicated...

[CooleyKnight]

Good point, I can see that happening as well if we have success with the 3-4 and bring in the right talent to develop for the scheme.

[CooleyKnight]

I agree for the upcoming season, but in two years expect a near complete switch. It's hard to do it in only one year if you don't have all the personnel. Green Bay and Denver did pull it off nicely this season, though.


I meant to quote this in the message above but hit the wrong button. I'll restate...this is probably true if the packages go well and we have the right talent at our disposal.

[The Tris]

rebuilt O-Lines also. lol

Let's even look at the common blueprint to rebuild. Also remember that these teams were all woeful offensive clubs prior to the turn around, with before and after offensive rankings.

The Dolphins (improved 10 wins):


Finished 2007 28th in total offense
Hired New Ex of Football Ops Bill Parcells
Released aging vets Zach Thomas and traded Jason Taylor
Hired New HC Tony Sparano
Drafted LT Jake Long and QB Chad Henne with first two picks in 2008 draft
Signed QB Chad Pennington in FA
Finished 2008 12th in total offense


The Panthers (2 seasons) (improved 6 wins, then 4 wins):


2002: Hired New HC John Fox
Drafted DE Julius Peppers, RB DeShaun Foster, and LB Will Witherspoon in first 3 round
Finished 2002 31st in total offense (#2 in total defense)
2003: Signed QB Jake Delhomme, RB Stephen Davis, WR Ricky Proehl in FA
Drafted T Jordan Gross in first round, CB Ricky Manning Jr in fourth
Finished 2003 16th in total offense


The Saints (improved 7 wins):


Finished 2005 20th in total offense
Hired New HC Sean Payton
Signed QB Drew Brees in FA
Drafted RB Reggie Bush, OG Jahri Evans and WR Marques Colston in 1st, 4th and 7th rounds
Finished 006 1st (!) in total offense


The Falcons (see sig too) (improved 7 wins):


Finished 2007 23rd in total offense
Hired New GM Thomas Dimitroff
Hired New HC Mike Smith
Released aging vets Alge Crumpler and Warrick Dunn, traded cancer Deangelo Hall
Signed RB Michael Turner in FA
Drafted QB Matt Ryan and LT Sam Baker with 1st round picks, MLB Curtis Lofton in 2nd round
Finished 2008 6th in total offense


Each team added one solid to Pro Bowl starter to their offensive line (2 LT, 1 RT, 1 RG), but to say the lines were completely rebuilt is a stretch. That is certainly a common thread, but don't discount the huge change in performance based on improved play of a new QB by attributing that to one new lineman.

However, a case can be made that Stephen Davis and Michael Turner had as much to do with these teams offensive turnarounds.

[cyfar]

Eh, just a bunch of words right now. Call me back when the action is happening.
Thank you. Too much hulla baloo about nothing here.

[jfr3ek]

lets hope we don't rush into things and end up with over the hill bums.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

as much as i like albert haynesworth hopefully they are thinking of trading him :P bc id much rather have wilfork in the 3-4, he has a better work ethic and was brought up in an organization that knows how to win.

You are nuts. If anything, we add Wilfork. You don't trade Big Al, his presence/name alone forces teams to game plan around him.

He's disruptive and just mean. I agree he may be overpriced and looks out-of-shape at times... but he's already under contract- and until he proves that he doesn't belong here, you don't even think about moving him.

[Stew]

Landry is a likely trade option.

With his attitude to offseason conditioning, and his meager contributions on field, I would guess the new regime could use him to make a clear example to the rest of the team, of what is expected.

There are plenty of teams out there that would be very interested in him. Specifically, the top two NFC teams, Minnesota, and NO...:2cents:

edit to say: I feel we could get a 3rd and a 4th, or future pick

I agree with this for the most part. I think Landry is one of our trading chips. We have capable safteies in Doughty, Moore, Horton and maybe even Smoot. The drop off in production will be minimal if at all.

I think Landry can net us a third round draft pick or the slim chance of trading him for a player like an OL... a stretch, I realize it. Cooley is also a big bargaining chip. The time to trade him is now. Its a hard pill to swallow, however all fandomness aside, its the best move. He would net us a big payoff, Fred Davis makes him expendable, and trading him while he is young and not holding onto him until his trade value deminishes is important. Strike while the iron is hot. We had a chance to make a deal on trading Betts after his big 1000+ yards in six games, season. We could have profitted from unloading hima nd we kept our hands in our pockets. We missed out on recouping draft picks.

I think moving Landry and Cooley should be priorities this offseason. It will be hard to see Cooley go, but I think its the best move for stock piling draft picks and bulding for the future. :2cents:

[MrJL]

I wonder if the top eight teams might be willing to pull off trades with their restirctions on signing free agents. New England always stockpiles draft picks for example.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Same old skins only difference is the skins don't have enough draft picks to fill all their needs ... oh wait..

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

I meant to quote this in the message above but hit the wrong button. I'll restate...this is probably true if the packages go well and we have the right talent at our disposal.

Well as of now, the only players we can really stick at NT are Monty and Haynesworth, which I think would be ineffective to run for the entire season. hence the need for a hybrid system if we can't get a true NT this offseason.

[tmalik3]

If we go after 1 bigtime free agent this offseason then it should be an OLineman. We tender Jason Campbell. Draft Bradford for the future. Round 2 we draft an OLineman. 4th round take a RB. Then other rounds we take best player available. If we make a trade, honestly as much as it hurts, trade Cooley bcuz he would net us a 2nd rounder which we could use for another OLineman.

[Laxpunk2006]

Well as of now, the only players we can really stick at NT are Monty and Haynesworth, which I think would be ineffective to run for the entire season. hence the need for a hybrid system if we can't get a true NT this offseason.

I think its safe to say we'll be a hybrid team. Even NE who many consider a 3-4 team ran a lot of 4-3 this season. New Orleans who is considered a 4-3 ran a lot of 3-4 under Williams this year. Good coordinators show multiple looks to confuse QB's, hopefully Jim Haslett is a good coach.

[bedlamVR]

Like has been said a couple of posts above . I think we will be like many of the modern defenses not stuck in the 3-4 or the 4-3 look but somewhere in between which is smart as it makes the best use of all your personel and also doesn't limit who you go after in the draft or FA ...

[elkabong82]

If we go after 1 bigtime free agent this offseason then it should be an OLineman. We tender Jason Campbell. Draft Bradford for the future. Round 2 we draft an OLineman. 4th round take a RB. Then other rounds we take best player available. If we make a trade, honestly as much as it hurts, trade Cooley bcuz he would net us a 2nd rounder which we could use for another OLineman.

I seriously doubt we will trade Cooley. Rebuilding the OL will be tough, and having 2 solid receiving TEs will be a big help in accumulating short yards over the middle to alleviate some of the pressure on the OL.

If we draft QB or OL in the 1st, either is going to be helped by having both those guys in.

It just seems to make more sense to me that an offensive "mastermind" like Shanny would sooner keep 2 proven commodities for an offense that struggled greatly this recent season.

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

Every analyst on ESPN and NFL network have said that Hayneworth is a DE in the 3-4. he is too tall to play that position and the primary reason he came to us was the 4-3 scheme and the promise he would be in the attacking style not the occupy linemen and let linebackers do the disrupting.


I wouldn't blame him at all if he demands a trade to a team that would utilize him correctly if the new coordinator decides to not play to his strengths.

Would being a DE in the 3-4 allow him to use his same playing style as a 4-3 DT? Disruption instead of occupying blockers?