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ohioskinsfan
February-10th-2010, 04:08 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4901957

Much has been made of the strength of the 2010 defensive tackle class, and the fact that the first two picks in Scouts Inc.'s latest first-round projection are defensive tackles is no surprise.
However, the offensive tackles are coming on strong, and we now project four offensive tackles to come off the board in the first eight picks. Add a pair of defensive ends to the players mentioned above, and you have eight linemen among the first 10 picks.
That leaves little room at the top for skill players and defensive backs, and some of the biggest names on our board have slipped significantly in our latest projection.
Here's how we see things shaking out now that the college all-star games are over and prospects are preparing for the upcoming NFL combine.

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http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/1.png St. Louis Rams

Record: 1-15

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Gerald McCoy (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25395)*, DT, Oklahoma

The Rams have a poor track record when it comes to drafting defensive linemen early, and now they have a tough choice to make between the stronger, more instinctive Ndamukong Suh and the quicker, more disruptive McCoy. Coach Steve Spagnuolo is looking for defensive linemen who can penetrate, which is why we think McCoy could be the top overall pick.


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Record: 2-14

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Ndamukong Suh (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25542), DT, Nebraska

The Lions will gladly take Suh here. He won't provide the pass-rush production of McCoy, but he is a force versus the run and he consistently disrupts passing windows thanks to his excellent instincts and long arms.


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Record: 3-13

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Jason Pierre-Paul (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25733)*, DE, South Florida

The Bucs will consider Tennessee S Eric Berry here, but they are in dire need of a speed rusher and Pierre-Paul is the most explosive one this draft class has to offer.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/4.png Washington Redskins

Record: 4-12

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Anthony Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25731)*, OT, Rutgers

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford has enough physical and mental tools to develop into a good NFL starter eventually. However, he also enters the league with enough question marks (shoulder injury, spread offensive system, etc.) for a team like the Redskins to pass and fill one of several other holes. Solidifying its offensive line should be Washington's top priority, and Davis is the most naturally gifted tackle in this year's deep group. Two other options at tackle are Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Bryan Bulaga (Iowa).


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Record: 4-12

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Russell Okung (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25396), OT, Oklahoma State

Berry could make a huge impact in the Chiefs' secondary as well, but Kansas City has too much work still to do at core positions to spend No. 5 money on a safety. The offensive line needs to be solidified, and that could happen by bringing in Okung, who has a quick first step, good power and a mean streak.


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Record: 5-11

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Bryan Bulaga (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25726)*, OT, Iowa

Look for Seattle to pass on a quarterback in the top 10 for the second straight year. Finding a replacement for Walter Jones at left tackle is the more immediate need, and the team will get a safer prospect there than at quarterback. Bulaga still has room to improve in pass protection, but he displays the feet and balance to develop into a very good overall starting left tackle in the NFL.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/7.png Cleveland Browns

Record: 5-11

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Eric Berry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25753)*, S, Tennessee

Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant will be tough to pass up here, but the Browns did spend a pair of second-round picks on WRs Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi last year. Berry has the talent and experience to make the kind of impact for the Browns that perennial Pro Bowler Ed Reed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3552) made for the Ravens early in his career.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/8.png Oakland Raiders

Record: 5-11

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Trent Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25689), OT, Oklahoma

Considering the team has used high draft picks on a quarterback (JaMarcus Russell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10446)), running back (Darren McFadden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11238)) and wide receiver (Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12570)) in recent years, it would make sense to shift the focus to the offensive line this April. Both of the Raiders' starting offensive tackles (Mario Henderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10535) and Cornell Green (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2471)) are below average, and Williams has the physical tools and toughness to provide an upgrade at one of those two spots immediately.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/9.png Buffalo Bills

Record: 6-11

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Sam Bradford (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25545)*, QB, Oklahoma

Offensive tackle and quarterback are chief among the Bills' needs, and they should draft a tackle if Davis, Okung or Bulaga is available. This scenario has them selecting the top quarterback prospect in the 2010 class, though. Bradford is a bit of a project because of his slight frame and the spread system he played in at Oklahoma, but he has the football intelligence and accuracy to be molded into a good starter in the NFL.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/10.png Jacksonville Jaguars**

Record: 7-9

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Derrick Morgan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25725)*, DE, Georgia Tech

Morgan will not wow scouts with his results at the combine, but he is a high-motor, technically sound player who can pressure the quarterback and set the edge against the run. He has the physical tools to develop into a good every-down starter at the next level.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/11.png Denver Broncos** (from 7-9 Chicago)

Record: 6-7

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Dez Bryant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25715)*, WR, Oklahoma State

Denver still has needs along its offensive and defensive fronts as well as in the secondary, but it will be tough to pass on the clear-cut No. 1 wideout in this year's class should Bryant fall to the Broncos.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/12.png Miami Dolphins

Record: 7-9

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Rolando McClain (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25721)*, ILB, Alabama

Bryant falling to No. 12 would be a dream scenario for the Dolphins, but if he is off the board, look for Miami to target a top talent in the defensive front seven. McClain is NFL-ready with the size, straight-line speed and work ethic to win a starting inside linebacker job immediately.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/13.png San Francisco 49ers

Record: 8-8

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Joe Haden (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25724)*, CB, Florida

The 49ers could go in several directions with this pick, including quarterback, offensive line or a pass-rusher, but they wouldn't go wrong taking a top-10 skill player like Haden at this spot.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/14.png Seattle Seahawks (from 8-8 Denver)

Record: 5-11

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C.J. Spiller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25503), RB, Clemson

Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen might be a possibility here, but we do not believe he's worthy of a first-round selection. After finding a left tackle at No. 6, it would make sense for the Seahawks to use this pick on a difference-maker like Spiller. Running backs generally are not worth drafting this high, but Spiller has additional value due to his home run ability as a receiver and return man.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/15.png New York Giants

Record: 8-8

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Brian Price (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25777)*, DT, UCLA

The Giants need to retool the middle of their defense, and Price would be a good player to start with. He possesses the quickness and power to develop into a disruptive playmaker who can get into opposing backfields.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/16.png San Francisco** (from 8-8 Carolina)

Record: 8-8

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Mike Iupati (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=24896), OT/G, Idaho

Iupati is a fast-rising guard/right tackle prospect who is strong and nasty and would fit in nicely with coach Mike Singletary's hard-nosed brand of football.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/17.png Tennessee Titans**

Record: 8-8

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Carlos Dunlap (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25723)*, DE, Florida

Dunlap is a bit immature and there are questions about his work ethic, but he also possesses a rare combination of size and athleticism for a defensive end. The Titans have enough veteran leadership on that side of the ball to pull the trigger here on a developmental project like Dunlap.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/18.png Pittsburgh Steelers

Record: 9-7

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Dan Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25439), NT, Tennessee

The Steelers would like to use this pick on a top offensive line prospect like Iupati or Trent Williams, but with both off the board, they will avoid reaching for another offensive lineman. They also will avoid stretching for a tackle like Maryland's Bruce Campbell to go for value with Dan Williams, who has the size and strength to develop into the eventual replacement for NT Casey Hampton, who is set to become a free agent.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/19.png Atlanta Falcons**

Record: 9-7

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Kareem Jackson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25780)*, CB, Alabama

The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/20.png Houston Texans**

Record: 9-7

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Earl Thomas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25729)*, S, Texas

Thomas is undersized but physical enough to play safety in the NFL if used properly. Regardless, he's one of the three most talented defensive backs in the 2010 class, and the Texans could use an upgrade at both free safety and cornerback, so Thomas is a fit no matter where he ends up playing.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/21.png Cincinnati Bengals

Record:10-6

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Jermaine Gresham (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25502), TE, Oklahoma

The Bengals are likely to use an early-round selection on a tight end, and while Gresham is a risk due to knee injuries (torn left ACL in high school, season-ending cartilage damage to right knee in 2009), his combination of size and athleticism is rare and he can stretch the seam effectively.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/22.png New England Patriots

Record: 10-6

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Brandon Graham (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25592), OLB, Michigan

Graham is a bit undersized to play a traditional defensive end role, and he does not have the ideal athleticism you want in an outside linebacker. If used properly, though, Graham can excel in the NFL, and he appears to be in Bill Belichick's wheelhouse with his nonstop motor, excellent technique and good overall football intelligence.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/23.png Green Bay Packers

Record: 11-5

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Bruce Campbell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25750)*, OT, Maryland

Campbell will turn some heads with his performance at the combine. However, while he might have the best combination of physical tools in this year's offensive tackle class, we expect Campbell to slip to the bottom half of the first round due to injury concerns and below-average technique.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/24.png Philadelphia Eagles

Record: 11-5

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Taylor Mays (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25497), S, USC

The Eagles need a replacement for the physical presence former defensive leader Brian Dawkins took with him when he left for Denver. Mays is a bit of a liability in deep coverage and he needs to learn to wrap up more consistently as a tackler, but it is hard to imagine a player with his combination of size, straight-line speed and explosive hitting falling out of the first round.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/25.png Baltimore Ravens

Record: 9-7

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Kyle Wilson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25426), CB, Boise State

Wilson is a fast-rising prospect after showcasing his upper-echelon bump-and-run coverage skills at the Senior Bowl. A cornerback-needy team like the Ravens could easily pull the trigger on Wilson late in the first round.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/26.png Arizona Cardinals

Record: 10-6

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Sergio Kindle (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25595), DE/OLB, Texas

Kindle is a bit overrated, but we do think he is worth a pick at this point in the first round. The Cardinals could put him to work as a situational edge rusher early in his career while he works on getting bigger and stronger in order to hold up better versus the run.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/27.png Dallas Cowboys

Record: 11-5

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Nate Allen (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25378), S, South Florida

Allen is far from a first-round lock, but the Cowboys need to improve their athleticism at safety, and Allen has the right combination of speed and fluidity in coverage to help fix the problem.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/28.png San Diego Chargers

Record: 13-3

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Jahvid Best (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25711)*, RB, California

Best's draft stock could take a big hit depending on how the medical reports (back/neck, concussion) from the combine look. Assuming he checks out, Best likely will be high on the Chargers' board, along with Dan Williams, fellow RBs Ryan Mathews (Fresno State) and Jonathan Dwyer (Georgia Tech), and DT/DE Jared Odrick (Penn State). A healthy Best gets the nod thanks to his game-breaking speed.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/29.png New York Jets

Record: 9-7

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Arrelious Benn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25717)*, WR, Illinois

The Jets need perimeter weapons for QB Mark Sanchez to throw to, and Benn is a better prospect than his 2009 production might indicate. He played through a nagging ankle injury and his quarterback was inconsistent, but Benn shows good initial burst and the ability to generate yards after the catch. Still, he needs to be more consistent catching the ball away from his body and must become a more savvy route runner.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/30.png Minnesota Vikings

Record: 12-4

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Jared Odrick (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25443), DT, Penn State

The Vikings have proved they will take the best player available on the board, and in this scenario, Odrick fits the bill and would be groomed as an eventual replacement for aging DT Pat Williams. Other possibilities include Clausen, ILB Brandon Spikes (Florida), TE Anthony McCoy (USC) and C/G Maurkice Pouncey (Florida).


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/31.png Indianapolis Colts

Record: 14-2

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Maurkice Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25776)*, OL, Florida

Odrick would make sense if he was still on the board, or the Colts could reach for an athletic offensive tackle like USC's Charles Brown. But Pouncey is a gifted interior lineman with the quick feet, versatility and football intelligence to help the Colts solidify their interior offensive line.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/insider/numbers/32.png New Orleans Saints

Record: 13-3

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Sean Weatherspoon (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24890), OLB, Missouri

Weatherspoon is expected to turn some heads at the combine with his speed, and we're hearing that some teams grade him out as a mid-first-round pick. We're not quite as high on Weatherspoon because we question his ability to play in space, but the Super Bowl champs are expected to focus on upgrading the speed and athleticism of their defense, and Weatherspoon fits the mold.

bobzmuda
February-10th-2010, 04:11 PM
McShay also said that Jake Locker would have easily been the number 1 overall player coming out this year. That should tell you what you need to know about McShay and Scouts, Inc.

ohioskinsfan
February-10th-2010, 04:13 PM
McShay also said that Jake Locker would have easily been the number 1 overall player coming out this year. That should tell you what you need to know about McShay and Scouts, Inc.

You are exactly correct, which is why I said let the laughter begin.

SkinsTerps26
February-10th-2010, 04:14 PM
one QB in the first? no way

gorebd82
February-10th-2010, 04:16 PM
I don't know what's up or down, left or right with this year's draft class. I think a lot of it may have to do with there being so many highly ranked juniors. Every mock I've seen is saying drastically different things. Wes Bunting just came out with his mock too and for instance, he has Jason Pierre Paul going #30. He also has Dunlap at #8. Both Bunting and McShay have completely different mocks than Kiper. Same thing with Mayock.

This year's draft will likely be the wildest and most unpredictable one ever. Also add in the fact that there's no salary cap and that round 2 starts on a different day. That means that there's a much higher likelihood of veterans being traded.

The Cowboy Bamma Rocker
February-10th-2010, 04:18 PM
did he just forget about clausen, or what? Both Bradford and Clausen are surely to be drafted in the first. THAT'S a lock. Not saying how far down, but neither will slip to the 2nd.

The Robert Griffin Experience
February-10th-2010, 04:20 PM
McCoy over Suh?

Davis over Bradford?

Bulaga at 6? (granted, he's WORTH #6 to a ZBS but most teams aren't a ZBS)

Pierre-Paul is just laughable.

Take Clausen at #4, I beg you. That tells me all I need to know about his ability to scout. If McShay thinks Clausen isn't worthy to be picked in the first round (yet a guy who is a virtual LOCK(er) to be an NFL bust would have been the best QB if he came out this year) then he is clearly a superstar in the making.

I think he's just like most of the people on this board - McShay thinks quarterbacks just aren't that important.

Brett81
February-10th-2010, 04:24 PM
This is hilarious. Seriously. I would rather have Eric Berry at #4 than any of the OT's listed. Trade back and pick one up middle of first sure, but at #4 hell no.

Rutliff381
February-10th-2010, 04:32 PM
I think he's just like most of the people on this board - McShay thinks quarterbacks just aren't that important.


Or he's just not sold on the top 2 qb's in this years draft. There are a lot of questions facing both. We'll get a better picture of all this after the combine & pro days. I don't take these projections seriously just value them as entertainment and something to look at in the off season. But yes, sometimes they are pretty funny.

NewCliche21
February-10th-2010, 04:34 PM
Man, the Bills get Bradford AND an extra loss (check their record).

bobzmuda
February-10th-2010, 04:50 PM
McCoy over Suh?

Davis over Bradford?

Bulaga at 6? (granted, he's WORTH #6 to a ZBS but most teams aren't a ZBS)

Pierre-Paul is just laughable.

Take Clausen at #4, I beg you. That tells me all I need to know about his ability to scout. If McShay thinks Clausen isn't worthy to be picked in the first round (yet a guy who is a virtual LOCK(er) to be an NFL bust would have been the best QB if he came out this year) then he is clearly a superstar in the making.

I think he's just like most of the people on this board - McShay thinks quarterbacks just aren't that important.

I think Pierre-Paul will vault up in to the top 10 before it's all over with, but I think he's badly wrong overall.

Brett81
February-10th-2010, 04:56 PM
Man, the Bills get Bradford AND an extra loss (check their record).

The reason for the extra loss is because they brought in Chan Gailey. If Gailey were to resign now, the team would forfeit the loss for it to follow Gailey wherever he may roam.

BigMike21
February-10th-2010, 04:59 PM
did he just forget about clausen, or what? Both Bradford and Clausen are surely to be drafted in the first. THAT'S a lock. Not saying how far down, but neither will slip to the 2nd.

I just listened to the Kiper/McShay podcast from the other thread. McShay hates Clausen and said he probably will have him ranked around the 36th prospect on his board when it's said and done

Mr. Sinister
February-10th-2010, 05:01 PM
I don't see what the "laughter" is all about. It's too early at this point to say that someone is right or wrong about a prospect, not to mention that the 1st round is ALWAYS unpredictable, and it's just amock draft anyway . The only feeling I got from your post was that you think you know more than an NFL scout.

jthor99
February-10th-2010, 05:01 PM
You've got to remember these are simply mocks done without any trade scenerios included. It's essentially they're board, and how they value each particular player. Once one trade takes place it really thows each pick after that because teams will constanltly be adjusting their board.

I personally would like to see the Redskins trade down (multiple times if possible), and aquire someone like Matthews in the late teens or early 20's. (while stockpilling picks in the process)

Blue Collar Skins
February-10th-2010, 05:05 PM
I just listened to the Kiper/McShay podcast from the other thread. McShay hates Clausen and said he probably will have him ranked around the 36th prospect on his board when it's said and done

Then trade down multiple times, fix the o-line and grab Claussen at the bottom of round 1? Hopefully Bradford is a franchise QB and Shanahan can see that. If not please trade down.

wilco_holland
February-10th-2010, 05:09 PM
Why do so many people always think that the Raiders are going to draft a player that makes sence.......it is Al Davis, not Polian.
I don't know what we gonna do.....depends on a lot of off-field stuff, difficult to predict. We just need to wait and see.

aubreyjn
February-10th-2010, 05:39 PM
Take Clausen at #4, I beg you.


:doh:........:shot:

Dead Money
February-10th-2010, 05:49 PM
McCoy over Suh?

Davis over Bradford?

Bulaga at 6? (granted, he's WORTH #6 to a ZBS but most teams aren't a ZBS)

Pierre-Paul is just laughable.

Take Clausen at #4, I beg you. That tells me all I need to know about his ability to scout. If McShay thinks Clausen isn't worthy to be picked in the first round (yet a guy who is a virtual LOCK(er) to be an NFL bust would have been the best QB if he came out this year) then he is clearly a superstar in the making.

I think he's just like most of the people on this board - McShay thinks quarterbacks just aren't that important.

Some people are in total agreement with you dude... They are as follows:

Jamarcus Russell
AJ Smith
Matt Leinert
Byron Leftwich
Joey Harrington
Heath Shuler
Ryan Leaf
Chris Weinke
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Cade Mcnown
Tommy Maddux
Dave Brown
Jim Druckenmiller
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Patrick Ramsey
Jim Druckenmiller
Todd Marinovich
Dan McGwire
Jeff George
Kyle Boller
Chad Pennington

You don't know any more than I about this subject, and I, unlike McShay and Kiper will outright admit..... I don't know :pooh:

Its so silly to have an opinion more than "I like this guy" or "I don't like this guy" with draft picks.... Really. :pfft:

Oh and if you're wondering what little click to put me with in your retorts fellas? I can do this with OL, DL, RB, WR whatever, really.

Its a draft. I wish they called it a lottery like in the NBA, cause YOU people (oh no is he getting racial now?) have a much better chance winning a lottery than you do sitting on your couch eating Cheetos admiring Kiper's hair, McShay's boyish looks or Mayocks lisp than climbing up so quickly on that soapbox to tell us all what should and shouldn't happen, and be right? :ols:

shannyman1
February-10th-2010, 06:02 PM
I don't think laughter is likely because much of this could come about. The Rams will certainly draft a defensive lineman first but it could be either McCoy or Suh depending on which one will sign a contract before the draft. I would think that the Lions will actually have the first pick in the draft and be on the clock 30 seconds after the draft begins.

ADF
February-10th-2010, 06:07 PM
Mike Mayock seems to agree with this guy when it comes to McCoy and Clausen. He has McCoy listed as his highest rated DT. I've also heard him say that he doesn't believe Clausen should go in the first round.

VaBeachRedskin
February-10th-2010, 06:15 PM
McShay also said that Jake Locker would have easily been the number 1 overall player coming out this year. That should tell you what you need to know about McShay and Scouts, Inc.

He would have.

Some people on this board laughed at Bucky Brooks' mock that only had 1 QB in the 1st round and a bunch of linemen being highly drafted and now people want to criticize Scouts Inc when they again point out the obvious. The QBs in this draft suck and it is a defense/lineman heavy draft.

Chopper Dave
February-10th-2010, 06:23 PM
It's like he put this mock together in bizarro world.

holmester
February-10th-2010, 07:06 PM
He would have.

Some people on this board laughed at Bucky Brooks' mock that only had 1 QB in the 1st round and a bunch of linemen being highly drafted and now people want to criticize Scouts Inc when they again point out the obvious. The QBs in this draft suck and it is a defense/lineman heavy draft.

Bingo. Both Qb's have huge question marks. Defense and Oline is stacked. This mock isn't that bad.

KokoMike
February-10th-2010, 07:51 PM
Some people are in total agreement with you dude... They are as follows:

Jamarcus Russell
AJ Smith
Matt Leinert
Byron Leftwich
Joey Harrington
Heath Shu...

You forgot Jason Campbell on this list.

icbmayday
February-10th-2010, 07:57 PM
Bradford dropping to 9 that's interesting

BigMike21
February-10th-2010, 07:58 PM
Bradford dropping to 9 that's interesting

Well if we don't choose him the only other team I could see drafting a QB by #9 is Seattle at #6.

The Robert Griffin Experience
February-10th-2010, 08:11 PM
a bunch of nonsense

you mean people guess wrong on QBs? especially when there's an institutional tendency across all sports to get enamored with measurables and "upside" rather than fundamentals and skill? so they take the $5 arm with the $0.10 brain, or the guy with gaudy stats in a spread offense and are surprised when he fails? or the guy with a baseball windup?

gms draft QB busts for 3 reasons

1: they fall in love with his physical profile and overlook the fact that he sucks at playing the position
2: they take a guy who seemingly has it all but a ****ty work ethic or attitude or mental makeup
3: they take a guy from a pure spread school (not all spread offenses are created equal - different ones require different things in terms of footwork, reading defense and such. and don't even bring up bradford getting pre-snap reads from coaches - very, very few QBs in college make their own pre-snap reads, i'd be suprised if somoene like peyton did)

basically, it's actually not that hard to avoid QB busts but the problem is that scouts have a bit of "group-think" in them and once a consensus is reached that a guy will be a stud, it's hard to break away from it. that's why a guy like jamarcus goes #1, and a guy like brady goes in the 6th round or brees in the 2nd.

DallasSucks19922010
February-10th-2010, 08:34 PM
All mock drafts are stupid because there has never been a draft without trades. To give them any creedence, just list the overall talent board and list the teams that need this specific player.

NewCliche21
February-10th-2010, 08:49 PM
You forgot Jason Campbell on this list.

Oh Jesus Christ. Can you keep that bull**** out of this thread and every other that's not explicitly about him? Your point is beaten to death.

Brett81
February-10th-2010, 09:25 PM
...
Jim Druckenmiller
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Patrick Ramsey
Jim Druckenmiller
Todd Marinovich
Dan McGwire...

You really don't like Jim Druckenmiller do you...to have listed him twice? Poor Jim...;)

Genghis Khan
February-10th-2010, 10:31 PM
It doesnt matter what his mock draft says now everything will become more clear after the combine when everybodys stock rises and falls. That will give us a better idea of who we will draft.

bmk588
February-10th-2010, 10:37 PM
pretty accurate..


*sarcasm*

TheLongshot
February-11th-2010, 01:03 AM
you mean people guess wrong on QBs? especially when there's an institutional tendency across all sports to get enamored with measurables and "upside" rather than fundamentals and skill? so they take the $5 arm with the $0.10 brain, or the guy with gaudy stats in a spread offense and are surprised when he fails? or the guy with a baseball windup?

gms draft QB busts for 3 reasons

1: they fall in love with his physical profile and overlook the fact that he sucks at playing the position
2: they take a guy who seemingly has it all but a ****ty work ethic or attitude or mental makeup
3: they take a guy from a pure spread school (not all spread offenses are created equal - different ones require different things in terms of footwork, reading defense and such. and don't even bring up bradford getting pre-snap reads from coaches - very, very few QBs in college make their own pre-snap reads, i'd be suprised if somoene like peyton did)

basically, it's actually not that hard to avoid QB busts but the problem is that scouts have a bit of "group-think" in them and once a consensus is reached that a guy will be a stud, it's hard to break away from it. that's why a guy like jamarcus goes #1, and a guy like brady goes in the 6th round or brees in the 2nd.

There is also a lot of pressure on a team who doesn't have a QB to take one, since if they pass they are probably going to get nailed by the press and fans for it, especially if the guy they passed on turns out to be something.

I'm fine drafting a guy and I'm fine passing as well, as long as they are doing it for the right reasons. The good thing, at least as of right now, we shouldn't be desperate to be drafting the next guy. The team does have the luxury to choose a QB for the right reasons.

illone
February-11th-2010, 01:08 AM
Who's laughing?

Davis at four is legit and will help the redskins win ball games.

mistertim
February-11th-2010, 02:12 AM
3: they take a guy from a pure spread school (not all spread offenses are created equal - different ones require different things in terms of footwork, reading defense and such. and don't even bring up bradford getting pre-snap reads from coaches - very, very few QBs in college make their own pre-snap reads, i'd be suprised if somoene like peyton did)

Actually one of the biggest attributes Peyton was praised for was his ability to adjust to defensive looks and read defenses. He was much more cerebral than Leaf (by far, it turns out). Yes, not all spread systems are the same, but Manning took a lot of snaps from under center when at Tennessee and also played against more talented defenses than Bradford. He also took plenty of hits and kept going which is an area it seems Bradford is lacking a bit. IMO there isn't much of a comparison between them.

Dead Money
February-11th-2010, 02:12 AM
you mean people guess wrong on QBs? especially when there's an institutional tendency across all sports to get enamored with measurables and "upside" rather than fundamentals and skill? so they take the $5 arm with the $0.10 brain, or the guy with gaudy stats in a spread offense and are surprised when he fails? or the guy with a baseball windup?

gms draft QB busts for 3 reasons

1: they fall in love with his physical profile and overlook the fact that he sucks at playing the position
2: they take a guy who seemingly has it all but a ****ty work ethic or attitude or mental makeup
3: they take a guy from a pure spread school (not all spread offenses are created equal - different ones require different things in terms of footwork, reading defense and such. and don't even bring up bradford getting pre-snap reads from coaches - very, very few QBs in college make their own pre-snap reads, i'd be suprised if somoene like peyton did)

basically, it's actually not that hard to avoid QB busts but the problem is that scouts have a bit of "group-think" in them and once a consensus is reached that a guy will be a stud, it's hard to break away from it. that's why a guy like jamarcus goes #1, and a guy like brady goes in the 6th round or brees in the 2nd.

Your quote of me is a blatant lie. I never said anything that you have underneath the quote listed. "nonsense?" Ha! Grow up and re read what I wrote. It wasn't aimed at you alone.

Dead Money
February-11th-2010, 02:15 AM
You really don't like Jim Druckenmiller do you...to have listed him twice? Poor Jim...;)

Yeah your right, that pick must of pissed me off... or I copied and pasted the list from several sources.. ;P

Dead Money
February-11th-2010, 02:19 AM
you mean people guess wrong on QBs? especially when there's an institutional tendency across all sports to get enamored with measurables and "upside" rather than fundamentals and skill? so they take the $5 arm with the $0.10 brain, or the guy with gaudy stats in a spread offense and are surprised when he fails? or the guy with a baseball windup?

gms draft QB busts for 3 reasons

1: they fall in love with his physical profile and overlook the fact that he sucks at playing the position
2: they take a guy who seemingly has it all but a ****ty work ethic or attitude or mental makeup
3: they take a guy from a pure spread school (not all spread offenses are created equal - different ones require different things in terms of footwork, reading defense and such. and don't even bring up bradford getting pre-snap reads from coaches - very, very few QBs in college make their own pre-snap reads, i'd be suprised if somoene like peyton did)

basically, it's actually not that hard to avoid QB busts but the problem is that scouts have a bit of "group-think" in them and once a consensus is reached that a guy will be a stud, it's hard to break away from it. that's why a guy like jamarcus goes #1, and a guy like brady goes in the 6th round or brees in the 2nd.

So Gm I mean imperium, you stand by negating the credibility of every gm who drafted every QB I named above (minus JC) HA! and say that you know better about this particular draft than any of them? Your pompass-ness amazes me. Nice false quote of me too.... weak.

TotalRecall
February-11th-2010, 02:49 AM
I could live with Anthony Davis. He's huge and will be very good. But if we go the OT route, I would rather trade down and get Mike Iupati and possibly Kyle Wilson with the other pick (if we're lucky enough to get two 1st rounders this year), then pick-up Colt McCoy in the 2nd round.

As some have stated, only one QB picked in the 1st round isn't realistic here.

HitStickTaylor21
February-11th-2010, 06:03 AM
I don't see how this is laughable. We need OT and he has us taking OT. Keep in mind McShay projected us to take Devin Thomas when no one else was even thinking about him on the radar. Also keep in mind, that lots of people, myself included, laughed when we read that mock draft and we ended up taking him.

S.T.real,lights,out
February-11th-2010, 06:15 AM
I'd love to see who he has us taking in the 2nd. I dont know much about the OT he has us taking.

Rocky21
February-11th-2010, 07:18 AM
That is one of the most unrealistic mock drafts I have seen this entire off-season.

Hitman21ST
February-11th-2010, 08:05 AM
Your quote of me is a blatant lie. I never said anything that you have underneath the quote listed. "nonsense?" Ha! Grow up and re read what I wrote. It wasn't aimed at you alone.



So Gm I mean imperium, you stand by negating the credibility of every gm who drafted every QB I named above (minus JC) HA! and say that you know better about this particular draft than any of them? Your pompass-ness amazes me. Nice false quote of me too.... weak.

Two rebuttals of the same comment within ten minutes of each other, no one posting in between. There's an edit button for a reason. :)

mhenry41h
February-11th-2010, 08:43 AM
Wow! What a bunch of garbage. Although, if he is correct...could the Skins draft a stud O-lineman with the fourth pick and still draft Clausen in the second round?? I would say its a one-in-a-bazillion chance but wouldnt that be sweet?

Chicken Fried
February-11th-2010, 09:57 AM
I'd rather take Ro McClain. And I'd love it if the Iggles took Mays. He's a lock to be a bust.

jhug
February-11th-2010, 10:04 AM
Makes perfect sense. Most teams have been putting a premium on OL the past few seasons. Duane Brown comes to mind, everyone had him as early to mid second rounder, goes to Houston at 25. the tackle from USC that went to Atlanta late in round one also.

This draft is suppose to be deep in lineman on both sides of the ball and we only have two picks in the top fifty. Considering we have no starting tackles on this team, barring any trade down scenario, I go tackle, tackle in the first and second.

PlayAction
February-11th-2010, 10:09 AM
That is one of the most unrealistic mock drafts I have seen this entire off-season.

What is the basis for your opinion? Is it just because this mock is different than 20 others that you have seen? Wait till the combine.....a lot of the mocks will change significantly. The actual draft will be different than most of the mocks anyway. I don't see how anyone can say at this point that this mock is unrealistic.

Mr. Sinister
February-11th-2010, 10:58 AM
What is the basis for your opinion? Is it just because this mock is different than 20 others that you have seen? Wait till the combine.....a lot of the mocks will change significantly. The actual draft will be different than most of the mocks anyway. I don't see how anyone can say at this point that this mock is unrealistic.

A lot of armchair GM's and scouts would love to disagree with you:)

[[ghost]]
February-11th-2010, 11:53 AM
His mock draft is more about who he thinks each team should draft.

It should be where he projects players will go, not his opinion.

What a fool.

Santana_Fan
February-11th-2010, 12:03 PM
There is always someone in the draft who ends up falling back further than expected. Example, Brian Orakpo. Wonder who's going to be that person this year.

artmonkforHOF
February-11th-2010, 12:09 PM
I don't get what is so funny. McCoy being #1 or us drafting an OT at #4? I don't want a QB with the #4 pick, I don't think anyone in this years draft is deserving of it. If we had the 10th or 14th pick then yeah get the best QB on the board, but right now we have no LT, a possible hole to fill at RT if Heyer is not resigned, and are in dire need of a back up RG, not to mention the backups at every other O line position.

I don't even know why this is debatable at this point, with how bad the O line play has been in recent history, it is the skins most glaring need and good O linemen are not available in free agency, so you have to get them in the draft. This team with a decent O line can go 8-8 or 10-6 with JC at QB, no need to start with a new guy when you have some many other holes to fill.

The way I see this draft is you either take a guy who is over 300lbs at #4 and can play somewhere on the O line- preferably LT, or try to trade down for as many picks as you can get in this years draft.

TheLongshot
February-11th-2010, 12:10 PM
];7292744']It should be where he projects players will go, not his opinion.

Isn't that basically the same thing? I mean, right now these guys don't have any special insight to who will draft what, so it is all going to be opinions based on who is available.

VaBeachRedskin
February-11th-2010, 03:43 PM
];7292744']His mock draft is more about who he thinks each team should draft.

It should be where he projects players will go, not his opinion.

What a fool.

What players/picks do you have a problem with? A lot of what Scouts Inc has is this draft is gelling with what is buzzing around right now.

SWFLSkins
February-11th-2010, 04:08 PM
This is hilarious. Seriously. I would rather have Eric Berry at #4 than any of the OT's listed. Trade back and pick one up middle of first sure, but at #4 hell no.

Thought the same, if ever there was a safety for the Skins to draft in early rounds he would be it. I think Safety is set, but that guy is special for sure. No way the Skins pass on Okung or Bradford, me thinks.

VaBeachRedskin
February-11th-2010, 05:39 PM
You want to talk about a horrid mock draft check out Wes Bunting's first mock of the draft season.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2010-NFL-mock-draft-Take-One.html

Cody, Dwyer, Jones, Hernandez, Best, Jerry, Lafell, and Worilds are all iffy picks for the 1st round along with Clausen and Wilson.

Morneblade
February-11th-2010, 06:03 PM
I could live with Anthony Davis. He's huge and will be very good. But if we go the OT route, I would rather trade down and get Mike Iupati and possibly Kyle Wilson with the other pick (if we're lucky enough to get two 1st rounders this year), then pick-up Colt McCoy in the 2nd round.

As some have stated, only one QB picked in the 1st round isn't realistic here.

I could really live with that. I dont see Colt as having much of a drop off from Clausen and Bradford, and at the same time really addressing our O-line problem.

mistertim
February-11th-2010, 06:34 PM
I could really live with that. I dont see Colt as having much of a drop off from Clausen and Bradford, and at the same time really addressing our O-line problem.

I would love to trade back, get a guy like Bulaga and then somehow land Iupati as well. I think he is generally seen as a mid to low 1st rounder. We would have a nasty left side of our OL. Only way I could see it happening is if someone like Suh fell to us and we were just completely able to fleece someone who had two 1st rounders like the Niners.

Morneblade
February-11th-2010, 06:41 PM
I would love to trade back, get a guy like Bulaga and then somehow land Iupati as well. I think he is generally seen as a mid to low 1st rounder. We would have a nasty left side of our OL. Only way I could see it happening is if someone like Suh fell to us and we were just completely able to fleece someone who had two 1st rounders like the Niners.

I was talking to a 49er fan at work about this a couple days ago. He think's they are really looking for a QB. If Bradford is there at #4, they might bite on that as well. Man, that was be SO nice! Two first round draft picks to play with.:D

mistertim
February-11th-2010, 07:00 PM
I was talking to a 49er fan at work about this a couple days ago. He think's they are really looking for a QB. If Bradford is there at #4, they might bite on that as well. Man, that was be SO nice! Two first round draft picks to play with.:D

That would be awesome but unless he REALLY does something to impress them, I can't see the Niners giving up two 1st round picks to move up and select another spread QB who put up gaudy stats after the bad taste Alex Smith left in their mouths. But yeah, I could see Shanny and Allen drooling over having two mid 1st rounders.

THE HAMMER'IN HOG
February-11th-2010, 07:43 PM
Sorry but Mcshay is as bad as they come, how he got the gig with ESPN is beyond me?

PlayAction
February-12th-2010, 10:35 AM
There is always someone in the draft who ends up falling back further than expected. Example, Brian Orakpo. Wonder who's going to be that person this year.

Anyone who projected Orakpo to fall to the Skins in last year's draft would have been derided as an ignorant fool. McShay's Mock draft is of no more use than any other arm-chair GM or draft "expert". What is potentially useful is his assesment that there are a good number of quality OL and DL players in this year draft. I'm hopeful for the Skins. But I don't care whether they pick up a guy with the #4 pick or in the second round (or later). I just want guys that can play in Shanny's system and provide the QB time to do his job.