FA's ruining the team?

[rick1796]

I keep hearing how Snyder will go after every expensive free agent and how this will inevitably ruin the team and for many years it has been true. However, I think those who are saying that now are still thinking like there will be a salary cap. I really don't think there will be one ever again if there isn't one this year. So who cares if we bring in all the best players Snyder can buy. (assuming of course that shanny and allen want them here too) Spend every drop of the skins revenue on the team. If there is no such thing as cap hell then it can't screw up the team.

note this is more how the team was built is George Allen's regime. aka the over the hill gang.

so i say spend danny spend.

[Crazy Levi]

I keep hearing how Snyder will go after every expensive free agent and how this will inevitably ruin the team and for many years it has been true. However, I think those who are saying that now are still thinking like there will be a salary cap. I really don't think there will be one ever again if there isn't one this year. So who cares if we bring in all the best players Snyder can buy. (assuming of course that shanny and allen want them here too) Spend every drop of the skins revenue on the team. If there is no such thing as cap hell then it can't screw up the team.

note this is more how the team was built is George Allen's regime. aka the over the hill gang.

so i say spend danny spend.

This post pretty much speaks for itself.

And what is says is "The guy who wrote it has not paid any attention to the Washington Redskins since 2000."

[Hitman21ST]

Because then we'll turn into the Yankees, but without the championships. We don't need to go out and grab the best free agents out there, we need to get what's best for our team.

Save, Danny, save

[Audible_Red40]

That's like saying Snyder would have some say in trading for a player just to keep him away from a division rival. That's crazy talk.............

Oh wait?!?! :doh:

[rick1796]

This post pretty much speaks for itself.

And what is says is "The guy who wrote it has not paid any attention to the Washington Redskins since 2000."

was there a salary cap in those years? was there? maybe there wasn't because i haven't been paying attention. :doh:

What i am getting at here is the whole dynamic of Free agency changes without the cap. You can't really miss-spend the money unless you run out, and that doesn't seem to be an issue for snyder. In the cap years the skins spent money in the wrong areas, and had none left for the right ones. . that won't happen in an uncapped year. I'm sorry if you're not grasping what i am saying here. the mantra that has been true since the cap has been in place is now not true. . things have changed. plus we have better talent evaluator now.

[nebster21]

This post pretty much speaks for itself.

And what is says is "The guy who wrote it has not paid any attention to the Washington Redskins since 2000."

What is also means is that you did not pay attention to the REDSKINS whne they won the superbowls. Now I did not get your age before quoting you so you might be to young to remember.

[rick1796]

for reference to those who don't remeber the over the hill gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Over-the-Hill_Gang_%28American_football%29

[Crazy Levi]

was there a salary cap in those years? was there? maybe there wasn't because i haven't been paying attention. :doh:

What i am getting at here is the whole dynamic of Free agency changes without the cap. You can't really miss-spend the money unless you run out, and that doesn't seem to be an issue for snyder. In the cap years the skins spent money in the wrong areas, and had none left for the right ones. . that won't happen in an uncapped year. I'm sorry if you're not grasping what i am saying here. the mantra that has been true since the cap has been in place is now not true. . things have changed. plus we have better talent evaluator now.

You are completely ignoring the past. In 2000, coming off a team that had just won a division title (it's LAST division title for God knows how many years), Danny spent like there was NO salary cap. And it destroyed the team.

No salary cap does not "save" this team. There's more to building a team than just going out and getting the most expensive guys - there is such a thing as chemistry.

Again, do a little research on that 2000 team and see what bringing in guys like Deion, Mark Carrier, and Jeff George did for us.

[Crazy Levi]

What is also means is that you did not pay attention to the REDSKINS whne they won the superbowls. Now I did not get your age before quoting you so you might be to young to remember.

Those teams were not about outspending every other NFL team, they were about putting the right pieces together.

Apples and oranges - it's almost insulting to compare the Snyder era with the Cooke era.

[rick1796]

You are completely ignoring the past. In 2000, coming off a team that had just won a division title (it's LAST division title for God knows how many years), Danny spent like there was NO salary cap. And it destroyed the team.

No salary cap does not "save" this team. There's more to building a team than just going out and getting the most expensive guys - there is such a thing as chemistry.

Again, do a little research on that 2000 team and see what bringing in guys like Deion, Mark Carrier, and Jeff George did for us.


again you're not getting it. He did NOT spend like there wasn't a cap, because there was one. He spent a flashy skill players and neglected the o-line. it hurts us because those salaries kept us from addressing o-line and d-line needs for years. That doesn't happen if there is no cap. This is how football was done in the pas. not just the recent past. . .

[MLSKINS]

If the FA is a player that we NEED and not a player that we WANT I am all for it. Mostly we have been getting players we wanted. But last year was a good off-season in my opinion, we just didn't do enough of it. Hopefully the success from last year can continue with the new two headed monster "Bruahan". (Yeah it is lame)

[rick1796]

again you're not getting it. He did NOT spend like there wasn't a cap, because there was one. He spent a flashy skill players and neglected the o-line. it hurts us because those salaries kept us from addressing o-line and d-line needs for years. That doesn't happen if there is no cap. This is how football was done in the pas. not just the recent past. . .

they were playing by completely different rules with Cooke having the advantage, not that you care. you just wanna say Snyder is bad.
The skins have a lot of holes and if they can fill every one of the with FA's that would be awesome so that the draft can really be BPA.

the yanks win for a reason. so do the redsox.

[Crazy Levi]

again you're not getting it. He did NOT spend like there wasn't a cap, because there was one. He spent a flashy skill players and neglected the o-line. it hurts us because those salaries kept us from addressing o-line and d-line needs for years. That doesn't happen if there is no cap. This is how football was done in the pas. not just the recent past. . .

Ok you got me convinced...if there is no salary cap this year and the Skins outspend every other team in football I am now 100 percent sure that the Skins will win the Super Bowl.

I've already made hotel reservations.

[RenegadeTK]

football is too much of a team sport to just throw a bunch of free agents together and hope for the best. the key is continuity, which is the one thing Snyder has been allergic to.... well, and winning.

[rick1796]

Ok you got me convinced...if there is no salary cap this year and the Skins outspend every other team in football I am now 100 percent sure that the Skins will win the Super Bowl.

I've already made hotel reservations.

hey now, i am not going there either. All i am saying is if a player fits a hole we have i don't care how much snyder spends to get that player. Also, if he does that for every hole we have i amm fine with that too. There is no cap hell to worry about. .

[BuryYourDuke]

Just b/c 2010 will be uncapped does not mean that we can go spend a ton of money. There are actually more restrictions than usual.

[MLSKINS]

the key is continuity, which is the one thing Snyder has been allergic to.... well, and winningand making the fans happy
Had to throw that in there....

[rick1796]

Just b/c 2010 will be uncapped does not mean that we can go spend a ton of money. There are actually more restrictions than usual.

not on contracts. . just on player availability. I am not sure there is going to be a lot out there to sign, but if they fit then freakin sign them.

[Hitman21ST]

And what happens if we do that and a cap gets added for the year after that? It's back to the old ways of being inexcusably over the cap.

[gmlewis]

rick1796

your point would be good if there were no rules. Even in an uncapped year there are rules preventing teams from going out buying up all the players. There are rules which make some players that were to be unrestricted then restricted. Rules that kick in if teams make the playoff. I can't quote them but i'm sure you can find them on the NFL web site good luck understanding them unless you are a Laywer.

[rick1796]

rick1796

your point would be good if there were no rules. Even in an uncapped year there are rules preventing teams from going out buying up all the players. There are rules which make some players that were to be unrestricted then restricted. Rules that kick in if teams make the playoff. I can't quote them but i'm sure you can find them on the NFL web site good luck understanding them unless you are a Laywer.

don't worry i can quote them. Like i said i know not everyone is available, and if at the end of next year we are in the top 8 teams in the league then i'll be happy regardless.

[gmlewis]

If we are in the top 8 after spending big on FA I will be the first to say you were right.

[NewCliche21]

I'm pretty sure that Shanahan and Allen are not into this.

It's different now, supposedly, with Snyder not running the show. I think that every poster here is ignoring the people who would make these signings.

[rick1796]

Ugh you people are difficult. so none of you would go after Vince wilfolk if he isn't franchised. remember if he is transition tagged that just allows the pats to match. . no draft pick compensations. Given our offensive line you wouldn't go after the best player available cost be damned? I am not saying get every big FA, just the ones we need.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Ugh you people are difficult. so none of you would go after Vince wilfolk if he isn't franchised. remember if he is transition tagged that just allows the pats to match. . no draft pick compensations. Given our offensive line you wouldn't go after the best player available cost be damned? I am not saying get every big FA, just the ones we need.

Why not just draft them?

[smalczak]

One problem with a total spending spree would be preparing for if a cap DID come back. I can't imagine anyone would want to spend that much with the future so much in doubt.

[rick1796]

Why not just draft them?

well for one we just don't have that many draft picks. second, draft picks sometimes bust even for the best talent evaluators. Third, we have the resources i say use them ALL. I am not for trading away picks. or replacing good players with fancy free agents i.e. i don't want ray lewis to replace london fletcher. But we have plenty of wholes and i would rather fill them with vets next year and draft BPA to fill in as they are ready. That's ideal and we will have to start some rookies i am sure, but that's how i would approach things

[rick1796]

One problem with a total spending spree would be preparing for if a cap DID come back. I can't imagine anyone would want to spend that much with the future so much in doubt.

see that'sthe thing i really don't think the cap can come back, and if it did it would have to be huge. The skins aren't the only team looking to spend. The colts are going to extend manning and that will be MASSIVE. i do not the\ink the owners would pass a cap that mean they have to immediately ditch 30mil in salary or something like that. . .Just doesn't make sense for either side.

[derskinsfan]

In a capped league, there were basically two problems with the way Dan spent: 1) It eventually forced the Skins to have to juggle contracts and extensions so precisely that it left the roster stuck with certain players even if they were getting old or were underperforming and it also robbed the roster of depth (see offensive line). 2) Dan spent without having a sound football plan guiding the spending. Vinny was his enabler, so we signed guys for the splash without calculating the impact on on-field chemistry, the system we were running, or lockerroom politics and morale.

In an uncapped league, the first problem could eventually disappear if the league stays "non-capped" under the new collective bargaining agreement. And there needs to be a new collective bargaining agreement or no NFL football in 2011.

The second problem would also be less of an issue if Allen and Shanahan have a plan and are allowed to follow it. That's what most people here are counting on. They will "control" Danny's spending in a more positive way. If that is the case, and Allen and Shanny are good, than the OP is right — Danny's willingness to spend money is an advantage.

[smalczak]

see that'sthe thing i really don't think the cap can come back, and if it did it would have to be huge. The skins aren't the only team looking to spend. The colts are going to extend manning and that will be MASSIVE. i do not the\ink the owners would pass a cap that mean they have to immediately ditch 30mil in salary or something like that. . .Just doesn't make sense for either side.

I'm not so sure. I hate to think what a lock-out year would do to both sides of the equation. I think there would be a lot of pressure to get a deal done in some way, shape, or form. And there will be plenty of owners out there who DONT break the bank on FAs (or otherwise) who probably wouldn't be opposed to the cap coming back.

[SWFLSkins]

I keep listening to the media as to how Snyder will go after every expensive free agent and how this will inevitably ruin the team and for many years it has been true. However, I think those who are saying that now are still thinking like there will be a salary cap. I really don't think there will be one ever again if there isn't one this year. So who cares if we bring in all the best players Snyder can buy. (assuming of course that shanny and allen want them here too) Spend every drop of the skins revenue on the team. If there is no such thing as cap hell then it can't screw up the team.

note this is more how the team was built is George Allen's regime. aka the over the hill gang.

so i say spend danny spend.

The over the hill gangs members these days don't do anything but collect a paycheck and move on into retirement. I say build the team as it should be built, with a fusion of veterans and rookies, all hard workers who actually enjoy winning thus earning their pay. Promote coaches within and go the distance, otherwise the rebuilding process will always be starting from ground zero and not be just tweaking every off-season. Unless you enjoy rebuilding over and over again, like the last twenty years?