Redstate: Final thoughts on Birther Issue

[SkinsHokieFan]

You know when Redstate.org finds the birthers to be complete loons, its time to stop :beatdeadhorse:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/02/14/my-final-thought-on-the-birther-issue/



A lot of you have asked if I’ve gotten any more emails. Below the fold, a compilation of emails that have come in. But above the fold, my final word.

Based on the facts, it is very clear that President Obama is our lawfully elected President and the Office of President of the United States of America requires that though we may disagree with him and oppose him, we recognize and respect his position as President — a position entrusted to him by 69,456,897 voting Americans, or 52.9% of the popular vote.

As early at 1350, the British Parliament approved statutes recognizing the rule of jus sanguinis, under which citizens may pass their citizenship by descent to their children at birth, regardless of place. Similarly, in the its first naturalization statute, Congress declared that ‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.’ 1 Stat. 104 (1790) . . . . Notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s discussion in Wong Kim Ark (1898), a majority of commentators today argue that the Presidential Eligibility Clause incorporates both the common-law and English statutory principles, and that therefore, Michigan Governor George Romney, who was born to American parents outside of the United States, was eligible to seek the Presidency in 1968.
Meese, Edward, Heritage Guide to the Constitution, p. 190 (2005).

Even were the American public to fall under the belief that Barack Obama was born in a foreign country and 49 years ago his associates fabricated a narrative, a birth record, and placed birth announcements in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin on August 4, 1961, to ensure that 49 years later he could become President of the United States, it is undisputed that Barack Obama’s mother is and has always been an American citizen. Therefore Barack Obama is and has always been an American citizen.

The leaps of logic and reason to arrive at such a conspiracy are unbefitting the credibility of anyone and not worthy of further discussion.

Notwithstanding the same, no American should ever sanction what would amount to a judicial coup — the removal of the President of the United States after 52.9% of the American public instructed their Electoral College representatives to place their votes for him. The time to even be willing to entertain these issues from those who claim a conspiracy has long past.

A conservative movement worthy of leading this nation must be willing to cast aside those who, for whatever reason, cannot and will not be persuaded that the President is our legitimately, constitutionally elected President.
And now, a final sampling from the mailbag. My personal favorite is the last one


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[DeanCollins]

so what kind of "loon" does one have to be to be reading at redstate regularly, and especially reading about the birther non-issue? :ols:

[ThinSkin]

The article is saying that even if he was born outside the US, he should be considered a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother being a US citizen. I don't agree with that opinion, but let's put that aside. So the author's contention is that Obama could have been born outside the US and still be eligible to be President, and we should just shut up and accept that, even if that makes Obama a liar......Because he did say he was born in Hawaii, didn't he?

[Henry]

So the author's contention is that Obama could have been born outside the US and still be eligible to be President, and we should just shut up and accept that, even if that makes Obama a liar......Because he did say he was born in Hawaii, didn't he?

I think this is pretty clear.


Notwithstanding the same, no American should ever sanction what would amount to a judicial coup — the removal of the President of the United States after 52.9% of the American public instructed their Electoral College representatives to place their votes for him. The time to even be willing to entertain these issues from those who claim a conspiracy has long past.

If the one complaint you can still muster is that he may or may not have lied about where he was born, even though it has no relevance on his eligibility to become President, it's time to let it go.

[Burgold]

The article is saying that even if he was born outside the US, he should be considered a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother being a US citizen. I don't agree with that opinion, but let's put that aside. So the author's contention is that Obama could have been born outside the US and still be eligible to be President, and we should just shut up and accept that, even if that makes Obama a liar......Because he did say he was born in Hawaii, didn't he?

Apparently, the answer is no, SHF. Some will forever hold on to the birther conspiratorial myths. Afterall, you can never :beatdeadhorse: enough. Not unless you have a wooden stake, bacon, and a gattling gun full of silver bullets.

[Midnight Judges]

The article is saying that even if he was born outside the US, he should be considered a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother being a US citizen. I don't agree with that opinion, but let's put that aside. So the author's contention is that Obama could have been born outside the US and still be eligible to be President, and we should just shut up and accept that, even if that makes Obama a liar......Because he did say he was born in Hawaii, didn't he?

Dude, us Palin supporters know better! Redstate.com is just part of the liberal media conspiracy. I'm going back to worldnetdaily! :mad:

[Larry]

so what kind of "loon" does one have to be to be reading at redstate regularly, and especially reading about the birther non-issue? :ols:

I'm just admiring the irony involved in having the words "Birther", "thought", and "final", in the headline.

:)

[greenspandan]

The article is saying that even if he was born outside the US, he should be considered a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother being a US citizen. I don't agree with that opinion, but let's put that aside. So the author's contention is that Obama could have been born outside the US and still be eligible to be President, and we should just shut up and accept that, even if that makes Obama a liar......Because he did say he was born in Hawaii, didn't he?

lol keep it up, this issue is a winner.

[aREDSKIN]

Apparently, the answer is no, SHF. Some will forever hold on to the birther conspiratorial myths. Afterall, you can never :beatdeadhorse: enough. Not unless you have a wooden stake, bacon, and a gattling gun full of silver bullets.

Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and put this issue to rest.

[ThinSkin]

I think this is pretty clear.



If the one complaint you can still muster is that he may or may not have lied about where he was born, even though it has no relevance on his eligibility to become President, it's time to let it go.

Yes, but if he indeed lied, he would have done so knowing at the time he was perpetuating fraud on the American people. I know a lot of you are OK with that, but I'm not.

[Burgold]

Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and put this issue to rest.


Yes, but if he indeed lied, he would have done so knowing at the time he was perpetuating fraud on the American people. I know a lot of you are OK with that, but I'm not.

I don't have the energy for this conversation again. Please do a search on Predicto's three page obliteration of the birther arguement that was researched, anotated, and pretty comprehensive.

The degree of conspirasy that would have to take place between so many levels of government, government agencies, the media, and all the guys Obama grew up with is mind blowing. People don't appear out of a vacuum. All you do by clinging to the tin foil is weaken every legit criticism you have of the man or his policies.

[greenspandan]

Obama should just release his long form birth certificate and put this issue to rest.

ahahaha

[Bang]

Yes, but if he indeed lied, he would have done so knowing at the time he was perpetuating fraud on the American people. I know a lot of you are OK with that, but I'm not.

Does it ever enter into your mind that he may NOT have lied? you know,, "If" he didn't, then your paranoia is pointless?
Your "if" is a big one, and the usage of the word means that there is at minimum a second side to be considered. Basing your view on one side of an "IF" all the time... you can convince yourself of just about anything.
Keep chasing your tail. Let us know when you've caught something.

~Bang

[Prosperity]

I'm amazed people are still talking about this. I though the whole thing was dumb a year ago. I over estimated the reasoning skills of a lot of people, and I'm a fairly cynical person.

[Henry]

Yes, but if he indeed lied, he would have done so knowing at the time he was perpetuating fraud on the American people. I know a lot of you are OK with that, but I'm not.

If he lied about something that has no relevance on his eligibility to be president, he's a liar, not a criminal. And lying alone is not enough to remove a president from office. If it were, we'd never have a president for more than a few weeks.

And that's if he lied about it, which has not even been remotely established.

[Burgold]

If he lied about something that has no relevance on his eligibility to be president, he's a liar, not a criminal. And being a liar alone is not enough to remove a president from office. If it were, we'd never have a president for more than a few weeks.

And that's if he lied about it, which has not even been remotely established.

Besides, the GOP spends 100's of millions of dollars on the Presidential campaign. You don't think that if they could have discredited the Democratic Nominee and had his candidacy declared illegal they wouldn't have. McCain and Palin would have skipped into the White House?

For you to believe this, you have to believe that the Republicans are major allies in the Obama birth Conspiracy.

[ThinSkin]

If he lied about something that has no relevance on his eligibility to be president, he's a liar, not a criminal. And lying alone is not enough to remove a president from office. If it were, we'd never have a president for more than a few weeks.

And that's if he lied about it, which has not even been remotely established.

Thank you Henry for being the only one from the left here to at least keep the argument to the point I was making, and not go off on a tangent. But I still believe "if" he knowingly provided false information in order to perpetuate fraud on the American people ( which is sort of the basis for the article), he deserves to be removed from office.

[Prosperity]

No One Cares

[Henry]

Thank you Henry for being the only one from the left here to at least keep the argument to the point I was making, and not go off on a tangent. But I still believe "if" he knowingly provided false information in order to perpetuate fraud on the American people ( which is sort of the basis for the article), he deserves to be removed from office.

Removing a president from office is a very very big deal. It's only been done once in the history of our country, and even then the president chose to resign rather than put the nation and himself through the process.

If Obama knowingly misled the American people, the truth should come out, and the American people should then decide how important it is to them at the next election.

If he committed no crime, he should absolutely not be removed from office. That sets an extremely dangerous precedent.

[ThinSkin]

No One Cares


To people like you, Obama could be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and you'd just blow it off.

[Henry]

To people like you, Obama could be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and you'd just blow it off.

Equating the slight possibility that Obama may have lied about something that has no bearing on his ability or legal right to hold office to being a necrophiliac pedophile is not going to help you make the case that this is, in fact, an important issue.

[ThinSkin]

Equating the slight possibility that Obama may have lied about something that has no bearing on his ability or legal right to hold office to being a necrophiliac pedophile is not going to help you make the case that this is, in fact, an important issue.

In deference to you, because you may be my only "friend" on the left here, I will retract that statement.

[Bang]

But I still believe "if" he knowingly provided false information in order to perpetuate fraud on the American people ( which is sort of the basis for the article), he deserves to be removed from office.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Again, however, that is a big "if" without a shred of actual proof to back it up. Accusations don't mean anything. Dismissing answers that disprove the hope that he is lying doesn't mean anything. That's all that is going on here.
I could demand you prove you're not from another planet, and then disregard every bit of proof I'm given by simply clinging to the "if" of the situation. I could say you're from Planet Froobalip all day, "if" your birth certificate is a forgery, and "if" you're apparent human body is just a hologram that we can't detect. And "if" we could see through it, you'd be exposed for the alien you are.

~Bang

[ThinSkin]

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Again, however, that is a big "if" without a shred of actual proof to back it up. Accusations don't mean anything. Dismissing answers that disprove the hope that he is lying doesn't mean anything. That's all that is going on here.
I could demand you prove you're not from another planet, and then disregard every bit of proof I'm given by simply clinging to the "if" of the situation. I could say you're from Planet Froobalip all day, "if" your birth certificate is a forgery, and "if" you're apparent human body is just a hologram that we can't detect. And "if" we could see through it, you'd be exposed for the alien you are.

~Bang

The gist of the article is that he could have been born outside the US and still be eligible. Great. Fantastic. My point is, if that were the case, he had to knowingly falsify documents stating he was born in Hawaii. Some are OK with that, and some not. This is all about the article people.

[Bang]

The key words there being "could have".
This is an age old media trick.
These words, and the word "may" are used all the time to forward hypotheses that might not have a shred of evidence to back them up, but the usage of those words change the dynamic of the statement. It becomes speculation as opposed to fact.
It is used many times in articles that contain facts, or are reporting on legit stories, and as such tend to lead the reader down a path.
I'm as skeptical as the next guy, but this 'issue' has been put to bed, and the only way it has stayed alive is through stringalongs like "may", "if", and "could have".

~Bang

[aREDSKIN]

Equating the slight possibility that Obama may have lied about something that has no bearing on his ability or legal right to hold office to being a necrophiliac pedophile is not going to help you make the case that this is, in fact, an important issue.

Your point about Obama being born outside the US to just one US citizen thereby making Obama a "natural" born citizen is wrong.

[Henry]

Your point about Obama being born outside the US to just one US citizen thereby making Obama a "natural" born citizen is wrong.

It's not my point. It's the point of the article.

Thinskin was arguing that even conceding that point, he had issues. I was addressing those issues.

[aREDSKIN]

It's not my point. It's the point of the article.

Thinskin was arguing that even conceding that point, he had issues. I was addressing those issues.

Ok.

[aREDSKIN]

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Again, however, that is a big "if" without a shred of actual proof to back it up. Accusations don't mean anything. Dismissing answers that disprove the hope that he is lying doesn't mean anything. That's all that is going on here.
I could demand you prove you're not from another planet, and then disregard every bit of proof I'm given by simply clinging to the "if" of the situation. I could say you're from Planet Froobalip all day, "if" your birth certificate is a forgery, and "if" you're apparent human body is just a hologram that we can't detect. And "if" we could see through it, you'd be exposed for the alien you are.

~Bang


That's not what's going on here. The proof of where Obama was born is available but the Obama camp refuses to provide or let it be provided. The long form or "original" birth certificate is available at the Hawaii DOH. This long form BC is not what the Obama camp has offered as a birth certificate.
Obama needs to allow the Hawaii DOH to "release" the original long form BC that he received in 1961, in paper or electronic form, to quell this brouhaha.

[greenspandan]

god please let threads on this topic persist through november 2011 -- i'm really hoping for another obama landslide.

[zoony]

The birther issue is really no different than, say, loonies on the left such as code pink and those who said that Bush was never going to willfully leave office, etc.

Best not to meet them head on- better to just give them the rope and let them hang themselves.

....

[Prosperity]

To people like you, Obama could be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and you'd just blow it off.

:ols: huh?

One, Obama didn't lie, two even if he did he'd still be born a US citizen, three No One Cares

[Jumbo]

The birther issue is really no different than, say, loonies on the left such as code pink and those who said that Bush was never going to willfully leave office, etc.

Best not to meet them head on- better to just give them the rope and let them hang themselves.

....

Like at least one post in this thread demonstrates, there's no getting around the fact that a large number of people are fairly ****ed in the head at times, and certainly discussing politics draws them like **** draws flies. And I agree with your strategy. It works well in a variety of situations. :pfft:

[ACW]

To people like you, Obama could be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and you'd just blow it off.Nice homophobia there :rolleyes:

Anyway, Predicto's rebuttal: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=305983

[greenspandan]

That's not what's going on here. The proof of where Obama was born is available but the Obama camp refuses to provide or let it be provided. The long form or "original" birth certificate is available at the Hawaii DOH. This long form BC is not what the Obama camp has offered as a birth certificate.
Obama needs to allow the Hawaii DOH to "release" the original long form BC that he received in 1961, in paper or electronic form, to quell this brouhaha.

why in the world would he want to shut you loonies up? he couldn't ask for better PR.

[SkinsHokieFan]

god please let threads on this topic persist through november 2011 -- i'm really hoping for another obama landslide.

I don't think it really matters to be honest. The President will get a 5-8 point win regardless in 2012. Especially if he gets the gift of a Republican congress this November

[techboy]

Obama needs to allow the Hawaii DOH to "release" the original long form BC that he received in 1961, in paper or electronic form, to quell this brouhaha.

Why would he want to quell this "brouhaha"?

[Rudechain]

The gist of the article is that he could have been born outside the US and still be eligible. Great. Fantastic. My point is, if that were the case, he had to knowingly falsify documents stating he was born in Hawaii. Some are OK with that, and some not. This is all about the article people.


So let me get this straight. Because the article ponders that he MIGHT have been born outside the US, then you are going with it?



In order to become the President, you have to meet certain requirements.


Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn't have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.

Now the Republican party and the media had a lot of resources available during the election, yet nobody was able to provide anything of substance questioning Obama's being a native born citizen.


One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. John F. Kennedy was the youngest person to be elected president; he was 43 years old when he was inaugurated in 1961. There is no maximum age limit set forth in the Constitution. Ronald Reagan was the oldest president; at the end of his term in 1988, he was nearly 77.

That same birth certificate from the state of Hawaii proves he is at least 35 years of age

Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen. The Constitution is vague on this point. For example, it does not make clear whether those 14 years need to be consecutive or what the precise definition of residency is. So far, however, this requirement has not been challenged.
These are the only explicit criteria in the Constitution.

and again, this one did not seem to be a problem, the Republican party nor the media with all the resources available to them could disprove citizenship


Let's really think about what it would take to have a foriegn born, some say muslim that cowtows to terrorist win the election of 2008.

First, this would have had to been set up so far in the past it makes "manchurian candidate look like fools play"

first you would have to get doctors in the state of hawaii to play along, doctors in Kenya, the imam at the mosque would have to keep his mouth shut, and countless others would have to be quieted to keep this conspiracy intact.

you know the problem with a secret? The more that know the tougher it is to keep it a secret. Do you honestly think there is any way that this could actually be accomplished. ( And sorry but IF is not a valid argument)

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

It’s Official: Obama “Born in the U.S.A.”
November 1, 2008
Of all the nutty rumors, baseless conspiracy theories and sheer disinformation that we’ve dealt with at FactCheck.org during campaign 2008, perhaps the goofiest is the claim that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” and therefore not eligible to be president under the constitution.

[heyholetsgogrant]

So let me get this straight. Because the article ponders that he MIGHT have been born outside the US, then you are going with it?



In order to become the President, you have to meet certain requirements.


Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn't have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.

Now the Republican party and the media had a lot of resources available during the election, yet nobody was able to provide anything of substance questioning Obama's being a native born citizen.


One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. John F. Kennedy was the youngest person to be elected president; he was 43 years old when he was inaugurated in 1961. There is no maximum age limit set forth in the Constitution. Ronald Reagan was the oldest president; at the end of his term in 1988, he was nearly 77.

That same birth certificate from the state of Hawaii proves he is at least 35 years of age

Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen. The Constitution is vague on this point. For example, it does not make clear whether those 14 years need to be consecutive or what the precise definition of residency is. So far, however, this requirement has not been challenged.
These are the only explicit criteria in the Constitution.

and again, this one did not seem to be a problem, the Republican party nor the media with all the resources available to them could disprove citizenship


Let's really think about what it would take to have a foriegn born, some say muslim that cowtows to terrorist win the election of 2008.

First, this would have had to been set up so far in the past it makes "manchurian candidate look like fools play"

first you would have to get doctors in the state of hawaii to play along, doctors in Kenya, the imam at the mosque would have to keep his mouth shut, and countless others would have to be quieted to keep this conspiracy intact.

you know the problem with a secret? The more that know the tougher it is to keep it a secret. Do you honestly think there is any way that this could actually be accomplished. ( And sorry but IF is not a valid argument)

:beatdeadhorse: Thinskin just doesn't like Obama and thinks he's not a natural born US citizen, plain and simple. Nothing will convince him to the contrary, NOTHING.

[JimboDaMan]

For a while there I was concerned that rational thought would win out and this issue would fade away. I see I needn't have worried.:ols:

[techboy]

Nothing will convince him to the contrary, NOTHING.

It's always fun to watch this kind of scenario play out when I'm not actually involved. :ols:

[Jumbo]

It's always fun to watch this kind of scenario play out when I'm not actually involved. :ols:

I propose a Thinskin vs. Midnight Judges debate on any topic of anyone's choice. :silly:

[ThinSkin]

I propose a Thinskin vs. Midnight Judges debate on any topic of anyone's choice. :silly:

Fine by me, but I must warn you all.......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/cage-fighter-sticker.jpg

[aREDSKIN]

why in the world would he want to shut you loonies up? he couldn't ask for better PR.

Ah yes the ol name calling jibe when one does not have an ounce of substance to bring to the table. Good one Danny. And as an aside-the "most transparent president ever?? Sure believe whatever you want Danny it's obvious where your political predispositions are.

[greenspandan]

now THAT'S irony -- a birther believer telling me i'm not bringing any substance to the table.

sort of baffled by you repeatedly calling me "danny" though, as if that's some kind of pointed barb?

[techboy]

sort of baffled by you repeatedly calling me "danny" though, as if that's some kind of pointed barb?

This is a Redskins board, you know. :)

[Jumbo]

Fine by me, but I must warn you all.......




Nicely played, TS. Just to the aside on a personal note, there are few more redeeming qualities humans can have then be able to easily step back and not take themselves too seriously and apply a sense of humor and perspective on things.:)

[Larry]

The birther issue is really no different than, say, loonies on the left such as code pink and those who said that Bush was never going to willfully leave office, etc.

Actually, there is at least one difference.

Obama was born in the US. This was proven two years ago.

This would be more like Code Pink claiming, today, that W would not leave office.

[aREDSKIN]

now THAT'S irony -- a birther believer telling me i'm not bringing any substance to the table.

sort of baffled by you repeatedly calling me "danny" though, as if that's some kind of pointed barb?

You see I am not a "birther' per se. I have no idea where Obama was born. I have never claimed that he was born any where else but Hawaii as he claims but I have made the point that he can provide substantiation, other than what has been offered so far, as to his birth place. The Hawaii DOH has claimed that they have, in paper or electronic form, Obama's "ORIGINAL" ie issued in 1961- birth certificate. My contention has always been lets see this document to decide once and for all the veracity of claims out there. Pretty simple but the name callers and deflectionists out there are numerous and loud.

[Larry]

Also still admiring the birthers who try to claim that they're birther-hood is all Obama's fault, because, well, even though the State of Hawaii has already issued legal, documented proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, well, the state didn't use the form that the birthers claim they want. But that, if the State of Hawaii would just release the identical information they've already released, from the identical computerized database, produced by the same government agency, but with the identical data arrainged a bit differently and printed onto a different blank form, then well, they'd believe that one.


Really enjoy that one.

[aREDSKIN]

Also still admiring the birthers who try to claim that they're birther-hood is all Obama's fault, because, well, even though the State of Hawaii has already issued legal, documented proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, well, the state didn't use the form that the birthers claim they want. But that, if the State of Hawaii would just release the identical information they've already released, from the identical computerized database, produced by the same government agency, but with the identical data arrainged a bit differently and printed onto a different blank form, then well, they'd believe that one.


Really enjoy that one.


The differences in the documents are substantial. I know you don't realize that or you would haven posted what you did. But you'll believe anything that comes from the Obama camp I understand that I just don't. And Obama has to release the document the Hawaii DOH cannot without Obamas' authorization.

[greenspandan]

ahahahahha awesome keep it up.

[Midnight Judges]

You see I am not a "birther' per se. I have no idea where Obama was born.

Pardon me, but I'm pretty sure that makes you a birther. :ols:

[zoony]

The differences in the documents are substantial.


I'm genuinely curious- what are they? (damnit I didn't want to get sucked in to this :ols: )

[techboy]

I'm genuinely curious- what are they? (damnit I didn't want to get sucked in to this :ols: )

Judging by the names, I'm guessing that one is longer than the other. :D

[DjTj]

I'm genuinely curious- what are they? (damnit I didn't want to get sucked in to this :ols: )One is a legal document, and the other is an oily fish of the genus Clupea found in the shallow, temperate waters of the North Pacific and the North Atlantic oceans with scarlet-colored scales.

[Teller]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. McCain is not a natural-born citizen. The Panama Canal zone wasn't considered U.S. territory then; and the law that made it so was NOT retroactive.

That being said, the LAST thing I want to do is try to dig for a reason to remove Obama from office. He's doing to much good for us Republicans. :)

[ACW]

Birthers??? Why is this even still a topic??

Yes it is difficult to believe that a Citizen of the USA and POTUS would be align himself with radicals that side with agendas that are not pro USA or pro Capitalist as well as push agendas that could severely damage our nation but you people have to just wake up and accept it.

Yes a citizen of the USA aka POTUS can spend us into oblivion and go from being bowed at to bowing at everyone.

There is a way to fix this, its called 2010 / 2012 ElectionsOkay, see, if even NavyDave thinks the Birthers are wrong...:ols:

[Dan T.]

Thermite! Melting point of steel! Missiles!

...oops, wrong thread.

[zoony]

Thermite! Melting point of steel! Missiles!

...oops, wrong thread.


:ols:

exact same thought process, you nailed it.

[Kilmer17]

Thermite! Melting point of steel! Missiles!

...oops, wrong thread.

Not just Thermite- SUPER thermite!

[greenspandan]

i heard it was NANO thermite. according to wikipedia, it may have also been those darned shapeshifting reptillian extra terrestrials. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy#Reptilian_shape-shifting_aliens)

[mistertim]

I heard it was UBER-THERMITE. All you have to do is look at it and it will make a building collapse.

[Buford]

There is zero benefit to Obama to even comment on this stuff.

The people that want this wouldn't vote for him if he cured cancer, ended world hunger, and caught Bin Laden by himself. Hell, I wouldn't vote for him if he released this.

But.....it helps him politically to have these folks coming out of the fringe. Especially when the odds are they can be connected to some GOP something.

[Skin'Em84]

I heard it was UBER-THERMITE. All you have to do is look at it and it will make a building collapse.

If the building looks at Uber-thermite, do you collapse?

[Mad Mike]

What I think is funny is that (from what I understand) there are two birth announcements for him in Hawian papers. Do birthers think they were planted all of those years ago by someone who knew he would one day run for president? LOL!

[ThinSkin]

What I think is funny is that (from what I understand) there are two birth announcements for him in Hawian papers. Do birthers think they were planted all of those years ago by someone who knew he would one day run for president? LOL!

That question always bothered me too, so I went a-huntin'. You can make of this article what you want, but I'm just laying it out there. I report, you decide, ya know.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121136

http://www.wnd.com/images/header_exclusive.gif BORN IN THE USA?
Newspapers' birth announcements: So what?

Critics rely on routine published statements in Honolulu

Posted: January 07, 2010
12:30 am Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Contrary to the claims of critics of citizens who demand Barack Obama produce evidence of his presidential eligibility, newspaper birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 did not necessarily indicate a baby was born in the state. As WND reported (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=120992), Glenn Beck ridiculed the so-called birther movement on his nationally syndicated radio show Monday, pointing to identical birth announcements published in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin as evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and, therefore, is a natural-born citizen as required by the Constitution.
Beck, and two colleagues, mocked "birthers" for purportedly believing a wild conspiracy in which Obama's parents, knowing he would someday be president, "preemptively" collaborated with two separate newspapers to publish phony announcements stating he was born in Hawaii.


But the birth announcements offer no proof of citizenship, because they might reflect nothing more than information a family filed with the Hawaii Department of Health to obtain a state Certification of Live Birth for a baby born outside Hawaii. Any parent presumably would see the benefit of securing American citizenship for their child.
Further, the information in the two newspapers would be identical not only because the papers drew from the same source but because they had an agreement to share classified advertising.

How Hawaiian papers published announcements
WND discovered the following in previous discussions with the two Honolulu newspapers (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104678):


Neither newspaper had an editor to vet birth announcements;
Neither newspaper independently checked the truthfulness or accuracy of birth announcement information derived from Hawaii Department of Health vital statistics records;
Both newspapers merely published birth announcements, as received, from information published in Hawaii's Department of Health vital statistics announcements.
Hawaiian hospitals did not report to newspapers any birth information;
Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth do not typically list the hospital of birth or attending physician;
Errors and misstatements in birth announcements published in the two Hawaiian newspapers have been documented, stemming from incorrect information recorded by the Hawaiian Department of Health.

The Advertiser and Star-Bulletin began collaborating on reporting birth announcements in 1961. On June 1, 1962, they signed a Formal Letter of Agreement to create the Hawaiian News Agency to jointly publish both papers, an agreement that remains in place even today.
A comparison of the Obama birth announcement in the two newspapers shows they are identical in every detail, including the order of other announcements preceding and following the Obama listing.
http://www.wnd.com/images/100106birthannouncement.JPG
Birth announcements from the Star-Bulletin (left) and Honolulu Advertiser (right), with Barack Obama's announcement marked

[Jumbo]

What I think is funny is that (from what I understand) there are two birth announcements for him in Hawian papers. Do birthers think they were planted all of those years ago by someone who knew he would one day run for president? LOL!

Ther are those of us in The Order who do not take such mocking of our works lightly. :mad:

Don't make me call the Persuasion Arm of the Hall of Secret Long Forms and have their Re-Educators pay you a visit. ;)

[luckydevil]

Damn, I thought this board was free of birthers.

[ACW]

Jerome Corsi? Seriously? :doh::doh::doh:

[luckydevil]

Pretty sure Corsi is a truther as well.

[aREDSKIN]

Jerome Corsi? Seriously? :doh::doh::doh:

Yep, I agree he's been pretty much compromised. Of course it is only my opinion.

[Jumbo]

Damn, I thought this board was free of birthers.


Of course, someone who chooses to celebrate Satan in their screen name would be against the righteous side of the matter. What a coincidence that at the same time you may be supporting a closet Muslin as POTUS.

Wait.

That's a cloth, isn't it?

Ok. Well, there could be that kind of cloth in his closet.

Anyway, you know what I meant.

[ACW]

Pretty sure Corsi is a truther as well.:yes:
When the uberleft Truthers and uberright Birthers meet each other.

[Larry]

I heard it was UBER-THERMITE. All you have to do is look at it and it will make a building collapse.

Wanna get me some of that UMA THURMANITE. I hear it's smokin' hot.

[greenspandan]

ahahahhha thinskin cited worldnetdaily, the only site funnier than the onion.

[Fergasun]

This issue had its day in court and had no legs to stand on. Interesting in that the McCain case came first.

[Duckus]

Because of my job I get a couple of calls from Birthers each month demanding documents under the Freedom of Information Act. I wish I could record my conversations with these people - hilarious.

Easiest way to piss off a Birther? Reference "you and your movement" - they immediately scream "I AM PART OF NO MOVEMENT - I JUST LOVE FREEDOM." Hahaha, always a good time.