Per Schefter Twitter: Boldin to Baltimore

[kevincollateral]

Adam_Schefter
Done deal: Arizona trades WR Anquan Boldin and a 2010 fifth-round pick to Baltimore for Ravens 2010 third- and fourth-round picks.

[ceviker]

You've gotta be s****ing me, that's it?

Baltimore has just become a force to be recogned with.

[darklight1216]

Hey, I didn't have to start a topic.

Now the question is: how will his fragile frame hold up?

[StillUnknown]

you really realize how bad our trades have been when you see what other teams do in deals

[kevincollateral]

you really realize how bad our trades have been when you see what other teams do in deals

for real. they didnt give up much for him. im jealous

[darklight1216]

Baltimore has just become a force to be recogned with.
Sheesh, you act like we haven't done anything in the last couple years.

[OWUeagleMD]

Boldin, Stallworth, Clayton, Williams suddenly represents a pretty formidable group of receivers.

They can go into the draft and look for quality players who won't be expected to produce immediately at CB, LB, and TE.

That organization does things the right way.

[darklight1216]

Boldin, Stallworth, Clayton, Williams suddenly represents a pretty formidable group of receivers.

They can go into the draft and look for quality players who won't be expected to produce immediately at CB, LB, and TE.

That organization does things the right way.
Fragile, Hasn't Played Since 2008, Bust, and Has Never Done Anything in His Career probably won't make many teams tremble.

Mason needs to be re-signed before I can get excited.

[warriorz]

Wow!!! Best offseason move to date. Great move for Baltimore.... Horrible for Arizona



depending on who they draft....most likely won't be a Boldin type guy.

[darklight1216]

I like the trade. Lol, Ozzie got them to give us a pick.

No if he can stay healthy...


Wow!!! Best offseason move to date. Great move for Baltimore.... Horrible for Arizona


depending on who they draft....most likely won't be a Boldin type guy.


It's not horrible at all. They know what they have in Breaston and that Larry Fitz guy is pretty decent too. If Matt Leinhart is under center, you know they're probably going to run more anyway.

All in all they got some valuable mid round picks in exchange for an aging receiver who already gave them his best years.

[Skins4SB]

Arizona has plenty of good receivers. Besides Fitz, they have Breaston and Doucet. Not bad at all. Boldin had already expressed his desire to leave and Arizona was still able to keep him one year longer than they should have thanks to Warner's return.

[TheLongshot]

Boldin's stock has fallen a lot in the past couple years with all the injuries he has had. He can still be productive when healthy, but that's the rub.

[Duckus]

Damn. Good trade.

When do the Redskins ever get to make a trade where they fleece another team? It would be so nice to be on the winning side of one of the these trades........

[brunell]

4/28 is a bargain too.

[OWUeagleMD]

Fragile, Hasn't Played Since 2008, Bust, and Has Never Done Anything in His Career probably won't make many teams tremble.

Mason needs to be re-signed before I can get excited.

Boldin is better than Mason was last year, Stallworth, even a year removed from football, is better than Clayton was last year, Clayton, last year's starter, is now playing from a more natural slot position. Williams is kind of a bum and I agree he isn't making anyone tremble, but since when did teams have 4th receivers who made other teams tremble? Which 4th string receiver in the league currently makes you tremble?

[HitStickTaylor21]

Wow and we have up a 3rd and 4th for Brandon Lloyd

[Perky72]

It's not horrible at all. They know what they have in Breaston and that Larry Fitz guy is pretty decent too. If Matt Leinhart is under center, you know they're probably going to run more anyway.

All in all they got some valuable mid round picks in exchange for an aging receiver who already gave them his best years.

He's only 29. I might be biased because I really like the guy but he could have his best years ahead of him. I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet, and is a bit underrated.

It's not a terrible trade for Arizona (eta: since he was looking to be gone anyway [?] so at least they got something decent for him) but it's a great trade for Baltimore.

[darklight1216]

Boldin is better than Mason was last year, Stallworth, even a year removed from football, is better than Clayton was last year, Clayton, last year's starter, is now playing from a more natural slot position. Williams is kind of a bum and I agree he isn't making anyone tremble, but since when did teams have 4th receivers who made other teams tremble? Which 4th string receiver in the league currently makes you tremble?
Boldin is better than Mason was last year?

Boldin
receptions: 84

yards: 1024

average: 12.2

Tds: 4 (5 with rushes)

Longest reception: 44

first down receptions: 49 (58.3% of catches)


Mason:
73

1028

avg: 14.1

tds: 7

Longest reception: 72

First down receptions: 55 (75.% of catches)



Hey I was just replying to a post that said that group is formidable. I see no evidence of this.


He's only 29. I might be biased because I really like the guy but he could have his best years ahead of him. I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet, and is a bit underrated.



It's not a terrible trade for Arizona (eta: since he was looking to be gone anyway [?] so at least they got something decent for him) but it's a great trade for Baltimore.

I seriously doubt that he has his best years ahead of him. When is the last time he played 16 games? He might not be old in the literal sense, but his body is beat up beyond his years.

[skeenzfan]

Wow and we have up a 3rd and 4th for Brandon Lloyd

My thoughts exactly. We give up 3rd and 4th round picks for Lloyd and Ducket and Baltimore gets a better player and get back a 5th rounder. Wow!

[Perky72]

I seriously doubt that he has his best years ahead of him. When is the last time he played 16 games? He might not be old in the literal sense, but his body is beat up beyond his years.

Well, he's played in 55 games over the past four years. Some comparisons: Andre Johnson played in 57, Steve Smith (Panthers) played in 58, Fitzgerald and Ocho played in 60, Randy Moss in 61. Boldin has the best yards-per-game of any of them, though the worst yards-per-catch, so he's involved quite a bit. [oops, edited to add: the ypg/ypc is for career, not just the last four years, so he may have declined more than I thought, but I don't feel like calculating all of their last four years!]

I don't see any reason to think he won't have very productive years ahead, and if he's the #1 receiver in Baltimore rather than #2 behind Fitz he might have better numbers.

[BurntToast]

Anquan Boldin is on his 2nd team in 7 years what, a bust! Thank god we got Taylor Jacobs 10 picks ahead of him.

[darklight1216]

Well, he's played in 55 games over the past four years. Some comparisons: Andre Johnson played in 57, Steve Smith (Panthers) played in 58, Fitzgerald and Ocho played in 60, Randy Moss in 61. Boldin has the best yards-per-game of any of them, though the worst yards-per-catch, so he's involved quite a bit. [oops, edited to add: the ypg/ypc is for career, not just the last four years, so he may have declined more than I thought, but I don't feel like calculating all of their last four years!]

I don't see any reason to think he won't have very productive years ahead, and if he's the #1 receiver in Baltimore rather than #2 behind Fitz he might have better numbers.
It's not as bad as I thought, although Boldin does have some trouble making through entire games. You might be right...

I doubt his numbers will go up though. Baltimore isn't nearly as pass happy as Ari, and he's not going to have Larry taking away the number one corners anymore.

[Soup]

boldin is washed up and the ravens are cheap. They should have gone after Marshall. What the ravens need to do now is get T.O.

Ernie needs a tall WR, not an over the hill player like boldin.

[chipwhich]

boldin is washed up and the ravens are cheap. They should have gone after Marshall. What the ravens need to do now is get T.O.

Ernie needs a tall WR, not an over the hill player like boldin.

Plus he played in a pro style offense in Arizona...not what he is getting in BMore.

Too bad the Ravens didn't do this while they had a super bowl caliber defense.

[darklight1216]

boldin is washed up and the ravens are cheap. They should have gone after Marshall. What the ravens need to do now is get T.O.

Ernie needs a tall WR, not an over the hill player like boldin.
We don't need an over the hill player, but we need to go after TO?


Plus he played in a pro style offense in Arizona...not what he is getting in BMore.

Too bad the Ravens didn't do this while they had a super bowl caliber defense.
Oh boy, here we go again.

The Ravens offense scored more points than the Cardinals did last year, but I'm sure you'll ignore that.

I'm not sure I should waste my time waiting for a response, but what exactly is your definition of a SB caliber defense? The Saints allowed 341 points in 2009, the Colts allowed 307 in 2009; the Cardinals allowed 426 points in 2008 and the Steelers allowed 224 points in 2008; the Patriots and Giants allowed 274 and 351 points respectively in 2007.

These are superbowl caliber defenses. Baltimore allowed 261 points in their first year with a new defensive coordinator (2009). I'd say it matches up quite well, but you just can't say anthing good about the Ravens so I don't expect you to agree.

[Soup]

We don't need an over the hill player, but we need to go after TO?




And Boldin is what?????

If T.O. wasn't such a pain he would be on a better team. If the ravens were going after a washed up WR, why not T.O. instead. I actually think Lewis would keep T.O. in check or knock him out. Either way he's what the ravens need. They didn't trade a lot for him so its ok, but they should go after T.O.

The ravens defense stinks, your upside is that online and the running game. Flacco is barely touched and if they can get a TALL WR to help him out, the ravens would stop being that boring team everyone doesn't talk about.

[bulldog]

If that's true Baltimore stole Boldin.

Arizona had a chance to trade Boldin to Dallas awhile back as I recall before Jones got Roy Williams and would have received much better compensation.

Cardinals don't appear ready to sustain their recent good play. Too many players are bailing out of Arizona in free agency and in trades for them to keep continuity.

[darklight1216]

And Boldin is what?????

If T.O. wasn't such a pain he would be on a better team. If the ravens were going after a washed up WR, why not T.O. instead. I actually think Lewis would keep T.O. in check or knock him out. Either way he's what the ravens need. They didn't trade a lot for him so its ok, but they should go after T.O.

The ravens defense stinks, your upside is that online and the running game. Flacco is barely touched and if they can get a TALL WR to help him out, the ravens would stop being that boring team everyone doesn't talk about.
Boldin is 7 years younger and more productive and less whiny than TO.

The Ravens already have some unpleasant history with Owens so that's not likely to happen.

What the heck are you talking about? The Ravens had the third best defense in the league. Flacco has been sacked 68 times in two years... not exactly untouched.

Lol @ the Ravens not being talked about. If back to back playoff appearances are boring, bring it on again.

[Soup]

Boldin is 7 years younger and more productive and less whiny than TO.

The Ravens already have some unpleasant history with Owens so that's not likely to happen.

What the heck are you talking about? The Ravens had the third best defense in the league. Flacco has been sacked 68 times in two years... not exactly untouched.

Lol @ the Ravens not being talked about. If back to back playoff appearances are boring, bring it on again.

It completely slipped my mind that the ravens were in the playoffs. When you get to a point where the ravens need a TALL WR and boldin is either injuried or not living up to the hype than you'll say, "soup was right".

Flacco holds the ball tooo long, I'm done with this, I hate the ravens

[BigMike21]

Hey, I didn't have to start a topic.

Now the question is: how will his fragile frame hold up?

Well he did come back a couple weeks after breaking his face once. If he can play he will do it at least. I know the Zona playoff run makes you nervous but he isn't that frail imo.

[darklight1216]

If that's true Baltimore stole Boldin.

Arizona had a chance to trade Boldin to Dallas awhile back as I recall before Jones got Roy Williams and would have received much better compensation.

Cardinals don't appear ready to sustain their recent good play. Too many players are bailing out of Arizona in free agency and in trades for them to keep continuity.
Yeah they're losing alot of good players, but they are in a weak division. If they can hold off San Fran for a little longer, they can go back to the playoffs.

[RenegadeTK]

wow... we should have done this deal. ridiculous.

[BigMike21]

wow... we should have done this deal. ridiculous.

I bet we would have tried something if we had a third round pick.

[RenegadeTK]

I bet we would have tried something if we had a third round pick.

i dont know. it almost seems like we are making a statement with no big acquisitions.

the crazy thing is we offered a 1st for an older chad johnson.

[BigMike21]

the crazy thing is we offered a 1st for an older chad johnson.

This year? I didn't see that, wow. I remember when we offered two firsts a couple years back.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Arizona's window is officially closed. Warner, Boldin, Dansby, Rolle. That's a pretty brutal foursome to lose.

[ciresolstice]

Man that's a nice trade, didn't give up a lot and got a great player at a position they needed. Man I wish our FO made the right moves at proper costs. It seems we go all or nuthin.

[mcarey032]

Adam_Schefter
Done deal: Arizona trades WR Anquan Boldin and a 2010 fifth-round pick to Baltimore for Ravens 2010 third- and fourth-round picks.

That may be it in terms of what the team has to get him, but the cost of ripping up his deal and inking him to a long term deal will be expensive and probably not worth it. Baltimore needs a premier receiver for sure, but they are going to be paying through the nose for this trade.

[BigMike21]

Arizona's window is officially closed. Warner, Boldin, Dansby, Rolle. That's a pretty brutal foursome to lose.

Bidwell is a notoriously cheap owner. I have a feeling he had a hand in this somehow.

[IceDragon38]

Arizona's window is officially closed. Warner, Boldin, Dansby, Rolle. That's a pretty brutal foursome to lose.

I wouldn't say that exactly. Like mentioned earlier, they play in the NFC West. Which team is gonna step up and challenge them? Seattle? Rebuilding. Rams? Puh-Lease. San Fran? Slim chance. If Leinart can play somewhat decently, don't see why they don't at least win the title.

[artmonkforHOF]

Boldin, Stallworth, Clayton, Williams suddenly represents a pretty formidable group of receivers.

They can go into the draft and look for quality players who won't be expected to produce immediately at CB, LB, and TE.

That organization does things the right way.

I'll second that, I think that Ozzie's last few drafts have been spectacular, especially with value BPA in the later rounds. It will be interesting to see what they will do this year.

[acuratl1984]

Wow and we have up a 3rd and 4th for Brandon Lloyd

We also rented Jason Taylor for a 2nd and a 6th.... GOD IM SO FREAKING GLAD VINNY IS GONE

[757SeanTaylor21]

i think that their gonna be a great team to watch this year, especially with big ben in some heated trouble. i feel as cincinatti was a one hit wonder this year, but we'll se. i still dont feel their d is as good as people make it seem to be. but back to subject...thats a great trade.. and now he can be their #1 wide receiver. i think baltimoer will start to pass alot more now like they did in the beginning of the season. not sure why they abandoned it especially against the pats in the playofffs but ray rice was doin DAMAGE.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Yeah Yeah good move but it also makes you wonder if the Patriots and the Chiefs were ever in the mix for him to begin with.

What was it that they did not like about him?

[DexterSackMachine]

They get a proven stud for essentially the same price that the Redskins paid for Brandon Lloyd, who had never even had 1000 yards at the time. What was Joe Gibbs thinking that year?????

This is a great deal for the Ravens. Flaco's face probably hurts right now from grinning for 24 hours straight!

[jthor99]

Last 12 games since the bye last year Flacco averaged 180ypg with 0.8 TDs. In all of his playoff games (5) Flacco has averaged 132ypg with total 1TD and 6INT.

Boldin must be drooling at the thought of grabbing some of that 180ypg pie!

[TheLongshot]

They get a proven stud for essentially the same price that the Redskins paid for Brandon Lloyd, who had never even had 100 yards at the time. What was Joe Gibbs thinking that year?????

That Lloyd was young, had a lot of upside and could be good for many years. Unfortunately, it didn't work out, and Lloyd himself had a lot to do with that.

The value which Baltimore had gotten Boldin goes to speak to how much his value has dropped. A couple years ago, a 1st round pick wouldn't have been enough to dislodge him. It's a good move on Baltimore's part, because when he's healthy he'll still be a good receiver for him, but you do have to question how much he has left.

[#1HIT]

Boldin and a 5th for Ravens 3rd and 4th round picks. Wow what a steal, now i know that majority thinks that we're set at the WR position and i kinda agree with you guys but the two youngsters though got mad potentials are still unproven, and Santana is 30. I mean wouldn't it have been a steal for us for the number of picks that baltimore gave up?
Edit: oh and by the way 2 years ago we were willing to give up 2 first rounders for this guy , but Arizona turned it down, but a 3rd a 4th? a no brainer

[darklight1216]

There's already a thread about this in ATN, where it belongs.

[Fred Jones]

And a day late to the game to boot.

[NOLASKINSFAN]

Boldin and a 5th for Ravens 3rd and 4th round picks. Wow what a steal, now i know that majority thinks that we're set at the WR position and i kinda agree with you guys but the two youngsters though got mad potentials are still unproven, and Santana is 30. I mean wouldn't it have been a steal for us for the number of picks that baltimore gave up?
Edit: oh and by the way 2 years ago we were willing to give up 2 first rounders for this guy , but Arizona turned it down, but a 3rd a 4th? a no brainer

Yeah, it would have stole any potential of this being a sucessful season :)
(join the coversation in ATN :) )

[zskins]

Hopefully the Mods here won't trade your rights to create a thread that is old news. ;)

[cphil006]

Good thing for them that Brandon Lloyd didn't set the going rate.

[morpheusmeyers]

We don't have a 3rd so we would have had to offer something else. But yeah, I was surprised to see Boldin go for a 3rd and a 4th, especially since Baltimore also got a 5th in the deal.

Captain Obvious here, but Boldin will make Baltimore a lot better on offense.

[terrifNick21]

Was he really?! I've not seen one single thread about his nor did I see it once on ESPN last night/this morning.


:evilg:

[spjunkies]

They can have him, he's not exactly young.

[RWJ]

OP, dude you been around here long enough to know this thread belongs in another forum. Gezzz!

[Spade]

They can have him, he's not exactly young.

Yep our young receivers are miles ahead of him.....

[SkinsFanMania]

wrong forum

[#1HIT]

ight sorry guys i was out all night last night and woke around noon and found out about this, the fact that i brought up our receivers thought i could fit it in in this forum somehow. :(

[zskins]

ight sorry guys i was out all night last night and woke around noon and found out about this, the fact that i brought up our receivers thought i could fit it in in this forum somehow. :(

You can sleep all you want just don't forget to use that search feature. :)

[bubba9497]

Search is our friend

[jpyaks3]

I wouldn't say that exactly. Like mentioned earlier, they play in the NFC West. Which team is gonna step up and challenge them? Seattle? Rebuilding. Rams? Puh-Lease. San Fran? Slim chance. If Leinart can play somewhat decently, don't see why they don't at least win the title.

San Francisco dominated Arizona this past year. Beat them twice and almost swept the west. If you don't think that the 49ers are now the favorites in the NFC West I don't know what to tell you. The Cardinals lose Warner who was a huge part of their success, a great linebacker in Dansby, Berry, a good safety in Rolle, and Boldin. The 49ers have 2 first round picks and last year lost 6 of their 8 games by less than a touchdown, something that as the team gets older will change. I just can't see Arizona keeping afloat with Leinart at the helm and an older depleted defense. The 49ers were a hail mary from Favre and a dropped touchdown by Davis in Seattle from winning the division.

[Jeff in D.C.]

Good trade for the Ravens, they should be much improved next season especially with Flacco another year wiser.

[TheLongshot]

To back up what I was saying earlier:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816d7c80&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


"One of the main reasons we really explored that area was because of the ascension of younger players, like Steve Breaston and Early Doucet," Cardinals general manager Rod Graves said. "We really felt like those young guys stepped up and that there is still a lot more potential there. Even so, we weren't just going to give (Boldin) away in a trade. It had to be something acceptable."

A year ago, "something acceptable" was a first-round pick. Arizona was offered a second-rounder in the draft and it told anyone offering that wasn't enough. The Cardinals had just come off a Super Bowl appearance and they didn't want to part with one of their best players. Boldin seethed and publicly complained, which just made things worse for him because the annoyed Cardinals became even more girded to drive a hard bargain.

Fast forward to late last week: Baltimore offered up a third- and fourth-round draft pick for Boldin and the deal was done. Boldin's seven-year career in Arizona was over. Both sides are happy -- sort of. In the aftermath of arguably the biggest player move since free agency started on March 5, let's examine the Boldin trade from information provided by those who drove the trade: Graves and Boldin's agent, Tom Condon.

[TeddyKGB]

Exactly Longshot,

Anyone who watched the Cards late last season could see that Early Doucet basically made Boldin expendable. Goes to show that sometimes developing your own WR's cough*MarkoMitchell*cough pays off in the long run...

[DexterSackMachine]

That Lloyd was young, had a lot of upside and could be good for many years. Unfortunately, it didn't work out, and Lloyd himself had a lot to do with that.

The value which Baltimore had gotten Boldin goes to speak to how much his value has dropped. A couple years ago, a 1st round pick wouldn't have been enough to dislodge him. It's a good move on Baltimore's part, because when he's healthy he'll still be a good receiver for him, but you do have to question how much he has left.

I think his health problems are being overstated. He played in 15 games last year and had over 1000 yards for the 5th time in his 7 year career. Ironically, the time period that you state his value was higher was a two year period where he only played 12 games each season.

He's no ironman, but he's not brittle either.

[spring]

Wow and Mason just resigned. Baltimore is going to be very tough this year. They've had some great drafts and moves in the past three years.

[OWUeagleMD]

Wow and Mason just resigned. Baltimore is going to be very tough this year. They've had some great drafts and moves in the past three years.

Yeah, now they can try to get younger in the front seven or pick up value in the secondary or at tight end in the 1st and 2nd round. They'll be one of the few teams that doesn't have any holes to fill with draft picks.

[TheREALJBird]

Lets see if B-more goes after Gresham now, I figured a while ago they'd look his way.

[OWUeagleMD]

Lets see if B-more goes after Gresham now, I figured a while ago they'd look his way.

They'd have a pretty nice set of skill guys, that's for sure.

If there's a willing partner, they'd be best served to trade out of the first and grab more picks. If they can turn their two picks in the first two rounds into four picks in the first three rounds, they'd be able to draft BPA at tight end, corner, safety, and DT/DE/LB with all of them. Gresham is good, but I'm not sure, from a value standpoint, that he's much better than what will be available at the bottom of round 2/top of round 3.

[darklight1216]

Fragile, Hasn't Played Since 2008, Bust, and Has Never Done Anything in His Career probably won't make many teams tremble.

Mason needs to be re-signed before I can get excited.
Well look at that.

[MattFancy]

As much as I hate to admit it, the Ravens should be really good this year. They just need to hope Reed comes back and that their defense can stay healthy.

[redskindan07]

Yea they should be pretty good but I wonder what the excuses will be when they fail to win it all again next season.

[#1njskinsfan]

Wow and Mason just resigned. Baltimore is going to be very tough this year. They've had some great drafts and moves in the past three years.


2 years? i thought he was retiring last aug? ;)