Brian Baldinger calls McNabb one of the "Most Overrated QBs" in history

[The Full Monty]

NFL Network panel excerpts here (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d8175aabb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true).

Brian Baldinger: Eagles have no regret
The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course.
Seriously, did this numbnut try to get McNabb's autograph and get turned down or something? Reid covering up for McNabb's flaws for 11 years? This is borderline hate. It doesn't even make sense logically - "It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division." Was he high? He's our QB, not anyone else's...

I've seen legitimate criticism of a QB before, but this is as over-the-top as it gets even by mainstream sports media moron standards.

When we get to the playoffs this year and crap on the Eagles, we can rub it in this guy's face. Seriously this was uncalled for.

[NoCalMike]

Overrated or not, he is an upgrade over any QB we have on the roster.

Look, it's one argument to say McNabb can't and won't win a superbowl, however it is another thing entirely to say McNabb sucks and can't help improve a team that hasn't smelt a NFC Championship game in over twenty years.

In order for us to lose a superbowl, we at least have to get there, and McNabb has led a team there.

I am not the biggest McNabb fan. I think he has shown flaws in his game, but he is better then what we have and will improve this team.

[Timmy Smith]

This kind of anti-McNabb sentiment makes me like the trade even more. It's been only 24 hours and I already feel protective of a player that I used to despise. It would be phenomenal to see McNabb find success with Shanahan, become adored by die-hard Skins fans, to see him as a fan favorite after all the grief he took in Philly, and to watch Eagles fans go bonkers when we beat them.

[hail2skins]

I agree that perhaps McNabb has been overrated; however, to state that the Eagles will be in the playoffs based on, what, two Kevin Kolb career starts, is a bit of a reach.

Philly fans should probably have the mindset we did before Sunday night, and expect a season in the division cellar as Kolb finds his way.

[Symbol]

Maybe we like him more because he was hated in Phillie?

[modazfuk]

Well, BB obviously is exaggerating in expressing his opinion, but I think he's right about McNabb being overrated. When you think about those good Eagle teams McNabb was on, its the defense that comes to mind.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

I concur with Baldi, but not to often do I say that, he's a little off the wall with a lot of his analysis, but I agree wholeheartedly with him here.

But I always felt Steve Young was the most overrated QB in history. A great athlete who spent enough time in an offense designed for simplicity and finally put it together for 1 season, yes he has some numbers but the San Fran version of the WCO made just about anyone look good in it's heyday.

[The Full Monty]

Well, BB obviously is exaggerating in expressing his opinion, but I think he's right about McNabb being overrated. When you think about those good Eagle teams McNabb was on, its the defense that comes to mind.
The thing about Baldinger exaggerating is that I've never,ever known him to talk or write like that. He's been covering Skins games quite frequently since 2001 back with Curt Menefee before both of them moved on, and he was always even-keeled in his analysis.

But that aside, Philly has always had a good defense, true, but I think McNabb wasn't overrated in the sense that he took criticism every year from the Philly fans and the media, lots of it.

[RenegadeTK]

Brian is delusional on this one. It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that mcnabb wasnt THE reason for the eagles success. ask QB guru and eagles expert Jaws what he thinks about mcnabb. Brian must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh during this offseason.

[GothSkinsFan]

But I always felt Steve Young was the most overrated QB in history. A great athlete who spent enough time in an offense designed for simplicity and finally put it together for 1 season, yes he has some numbers but the San Fran version of the WCO made just about anyone look good in it's heyday.
Joe Montana never once threw for 4,000 yards. Jay Schroeder did.

[The Full Monty]

Also, I realize that he's another media numbnut, and people on TV say whatever they want, I get that. It won't be the first time - but my main problem is that this is a sign of how it's gonna be from here on out with regards to the coverage of McNabb and the Redskins. I mean, it starts with Baldinger, who like I said, I've always thought was middle-of-the-road, but this is how this kinda stuff snowballs.

The "media narrative" of McNabb being hand-held by Andy Reid, needing the Coach to hide his flaws for 11 years - and that he can't succeed elsewhere - it's being planted right now, you just saw it.

[modazfuk]

The thing about Baldinger exaggerating is that I've never,ever known him to talk or write like that. He's been covering Skins games quite frequently since 2001 back with Curt Menefee before both of them moved on, and he was always even-keeled in his analysis.

But that aside, Philly has always had a good defense, true, but I think McNabb wasn't overrated in the sense that he took criticism every year from the Philly fans and the media, lots of it.

Yes, as for BB's motive, it does come off as being personal. And yes, I agree, Philly fans have not been the most appreciative of McNabb, so that begs the question:

Why would 'Skins fans be much different especially since one can argue that he's going to be playing with less talent around him?

Just look around this board as of late. Most everyone is giddy over this trade (almost like when Zorn was hired), so I wonder how long will it take for fans to turn on McNabb, Shanny et al? (shrug)

[bedlamVR]

I am perplexed on this sudden learch in direction . But I am not Mike Shanahan and so I err to his judgement . One thing I have to say is the Eagles FO for a number of years did hamstring the O by not giving it toys to play with . Hell before Owens James thrash was the No.1. WR over there . Now I like James thrash but DAMN .

One other thing I know is McNabb is the quintessential WCO QB in the last decade . I can see him being here to help the transition for a new rookie but I don't like the idea of using 2 picks out of 5 on QBs... though I have to say it would give the idea that Tebow may be headed here .

[bedlamVR]

Yes, as for BB's motive, it does come off as being personal. And yes, I agree, Philly fans have not been the most appreciative of McNabb, so that begs the question:

Why would 'Skins fans be much different especially since one can argue that he's going to be playing with less talent around him?

Just look around this board as of late. Most everyone is giddy over this trade (almost like when Zorn was hired), so I wonder how long will it take for fans to turn on McNabb, Shanny et al? (shrug)

About 6 seconds into the preseason ... or the first game in which we strugle or the first game in which Campbell outperforms McNabb .

I would argue also about the talent issue . I think the Eagles are not leaps and bounds ahead of the Skins talent on offense ...

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Brian is delusional on this one. It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that mcnabb wasnt THE reason for the eagles success. ask QB guru and eagles expert Jaws what he thinks about mcnabb. Brian must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh during this offseason.

He could put up some reasonable proofs if need be, like the ability of AJ Feeley to steer the Eagles into the playoffs while Donavan was injured, and Feeley is horrible. Or take a look at what Kolb did in 2 games last season. As far as Jaws goes? Not a big fan of his insight to say the least, but I would say the same about Baldi as well. Now Sterling Sharpe, Merle Hodge and believe it or not C. Casserly whom I wasn't in love with as a GM but is pretty good at breaking down match-ups, are guys who know what they are talking about.

[The Full Monty]

Yes, as for BB's motive, it does come off as being personal. And yes, I agree, Philly fans have not been the most appreciative of McNabb, so that begs the question:

Why would 'Skins fans be much different especially since one can argue that he's going to be playing with less talent around him?

Just look around this board as of late. Most everyone is giddy over this trade (almost like when Zorn was hired), so I wonder how long will it take for fans to turn on McNabb, Shanny et al? (shrug)
That's a good point - we have to realize that this team will need a learning curve no matter what. Will we be patient as Skins fans? I think it depends whether it looks like we're steadily improving or sinking in quicksand.

Like, if we struggle out the gate first couple of weeks but then things start gelling, better rushing attack and scoring, etc, I think we'll be fine. We've got too many holes to fix in one year but progress from 4-12 won't be that hard to measure.

[The Full Monty]

He could put up some reasonable proofs if need be, like the ability of AJ Feeley to steer the Eagles into the playoffs while Donavan was injured, and Feeley is horrible.
Oh wow, one of the teams Feeley beat on that little streak was the Spurrier-led Redskins..

Or take a look at what Kolb did in 2 games last season.
The blowout loss to the Saints and crapping on a horrible, horrible Chiefs defense- wow - now that's the definition of "overrated". :pfft:

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Joe Montana never once threw for 4,000 yards. Jay Schroeder did.

Go ask Terry Bradshaw what he thinks of Montana? Not a big fan of his game because he has always maintained that the San Fran offense was basically meant to compensate for lack of a true QB, or a weak armed QB, either way TB never considered Montana much of a QB, just a guy who was fortuante enough to fall into the right offense, at the right time, now Walsh was a genious.

[SkinsFTW]

Look, it's one argument to say McNabb can't and won't win a superbowl, however it is another thing entirely to say McNabb sucks and can't help improve a team that hasn't smelt a NFC Championship game in over twenty years.


Stop making me feel older than I already am. I've been in my current job for 19 years now and I did watch the Redskins win a SB during that span so it hasn't been over 20 years. :hammer:

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Oh wow, one of the teams Feeley beat on that little streak was the Spurrier-led Redskins..

The blowout loss to the Saints and crapping on a horrible, horrible Chiefs defense- wow - now that's the definition of "overrated". :pfft:

Now was that the same Chiefs team that beat us? He went up an down the field against a team that saw JC finish the game watching from the sidelines, because of QB ineptitude.

He moved the ball well against the Saints at a time when they were playing very good defense, and it was his 1st start, and the Saints did win the Super Bowl to be exact.

[hitmandm]

McNabb is an overrated QB by far. But who cares...he was the face of the Iggles for 11 years. I can never root for this choking wannabe.

[ExoDus84]

Yes, as for BB's motive, it does come off as being personal. And yes, I agree, Philly fans have not been the most appreciative of McNabb, so that begs the question:

Why would 'Skins fans be much different especially since one can argue that he's going to be playing with less talent around him?

Just look around this board as of late. Most everyone is giddy over this trade (almost like when Zorn was hired), so I wonder how long will it take for fans to turn on McNabb, Shanny et al? (shrug)

Less talent around him? Maybe if you consider this past season. Just go back and look at the absolute scrubs at WR he took with him to those NFC championship games. He had zero help on the outside. Furthermore, philly's offense has been so lopsided and one-dimensional it's amazing Mcnabb has such a low INT count, and was able to win in the first place. He's coming here, to play with a team with more talent at WR than he was used to, much more talent at TE, a coach who's known for having an awesome running attack (which philly never really had), and also will be playing for one of the top offensive minds in the game in Kyle. Our O-line right now is worse than what he is used to, but that'll get fixed within the next season or two. All things being equal, you could easily argue he has more talent here than he had prior to 09.

[Buck812]

I too think this love affair with McPOS will be short lived by the fans... This team hasnt changed a bit. Its still fantasy football and bringing in players at the end of their careers who have little left in the tank.

My prediction: Hes done for the season by week 7 and never plays another game for the skins.

[amm11387]

Yes, as for BB's motive, it does come off as being personal. And yes, I agree, Philly fans have not been the most appreciative of McNabb, so that begs the question:

Why would 'Skins fans be much different especially since one can argue that he's going to be playing with less talent around him?

Just look around this board as of late. Most everyone is giddy over this trade (almost like when Zorn was hired), so I wonder how long will it take for fans to turn on McNabb, Shanny et al? (shrug)

The Redskins have some bad egg fans like any team, but this city will respect McNabb a hell of alot more than Philly! He's gonna be shocked to be playing to cheers instead of boos!

[MustangSteve]

This is coming from the dumbest analyst in all of sports, the trade must be a great one.

[MustangSteve]

]McNabb is an overrated QB by far[/B]. But who cares...he was the face of the Iggles for 11 years. I can never root for this choking wannabe.
McNabb has taken a team with "very few" elite players and to the Super Bowl and many NFC Championships. The Eagles have only had 1 real weapon or threat at the WR position each year, and even lost their star RB one of those years. Our receivers are going to flourish under this mans leadership, and our offense will finally be respected by every defense that lines up against us. This team can now contend for a division title, something that was NOT going to happen under the leadership of Jason Campbell.

[jfr3ek]

Brian Baldinger? Brian Baldinger?? he wants to talk about flaws? name a QB that doesn't have flaws. No QB in the NFL is perfect so why pick on the man?? im reading his BIO right now and it wreaks of BIAS. He played for the COWBOYS from 81-87 (years of the skins glory years)....

maybe thats the reason he has nothing good to ever say about our REDSKINS and their acquisitions. Screw this BIAS commentator/analyst.

[Manasseh]

I don't find Baldinger's comments near as shocking as I do the fact that so many people on this board are suddenly McNabb supporters. We've hounded and bashed Eagles fans for years because McNabb disappeared in big moments and couldn't win the big game. And without him playing a single snap in a Redskins uniform, I'm supposed to forget all that and assume that because he's with Shanny now everything will be different?

Baldinger's comments aren't shocking at all. In fact, I'd dare say that if we searched the archives, they're not anything different than what's been posted on this board many times before.

[Califan007]

I don't find Baldinger's comments near as shocking as I do the fact that so many people on this board are suddenly McNabb supporters. We've hounded and bashed Eagles fans for years because McNabb disappeared in big moments and couldn't win the big game. And without him playing a single snap in a Redskins uniform, I'm supposed to forget all that and assume that because he's with Shanny now everything will be different?
Most fans will find--and focus on--the faults of rival players, especially if that rival player tends to find ways of beating your team and has certain "personality" traits that rub them wrong. That was 90% of what motivated the McNabb hate by Skins fans: he always seemed to escape sure sacks and either run for 20 yards or throw a 40 yard completion in the process, all while showing that goofy smile and giving the occasional head-scratching comment to the press lol.

He's in B&G now, so his ability to escape sure sacks and turn them into large gains (or what's left of that ability) no longer irritates most Redskins fans, for obvious reasons. They see it as a positive. His personality traits? That remains to be seen.


Baldinger's comments aren't shocking at all. In fact, I'd dare say that if we searched the archives, they're not anything different than what's been posted on this board many times before.
Some anonymous shmoe on a message board saying this? Eh, who cares. Someone who's supposed to be part of the legitimate media writing an analysis that sounds like little more than poorly thought out message board fodder? We should expect more.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Come on give me a break. He has been one if the best QB in the last 7-8 years. And he's been doing it with nothing. What one year with TO and 2 with D-jack. Other than that he has had no one so dont give me that crap that he's overrated!

[KAOSkins]

I've been up in the air on this trade for a couple days now. Thank you Mr. Labdinger for making it easier for me to be happy with this trade. What a complete moron.

[The Full Monty]

Come on give me a break. He has been one if the best QB in the last 7-8 years. And he's been doing it with nothing. What one year with TO and 2 with D-jack. Other than that he has had no one so dont give me that crap that he's overrated!
Yeah I suppose Andy Reid was hiding McNabb's flaws by having him throw to Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell and James Thrash for all those years. Oh wait, let's not forget Reggie Brown. Aside from Westbrook, and one year of TO, McNabb was the offense.

[Veretax]

Wow, really? Why does the media suddenly Hate McNabb now? Gee, its almost like Limbaugh was right LOL. No that can't be it :ols:

I think this basically proves what Limbaugh was saying, slightly, but I'd argue that Philly gets a pass by the media where as DC doesn't. But its crazy. I don't care what they think, When we win the NFC East this year (yes I just said that) people will be praising our genious. Silly sportswriters, trades are for the Washington Redskins ;)

[da#1skinsfan]

McNabb WAS overrated in certain scenarios, but insanely underrated in others. Did anyone watch that superbowl game??

No blocking whatsoever. Dropped passes. Westbrook looked like he was playing on one leg in the latter part of the game.

Donovan caught the brunt of that whole "choking" thing but I watched those last 6 minutes closely and outside of some fantastic catches on passes Donovan threaded nicely, his team gave him ZERO help. The offensive line was most atrocious, he was running for his life constantly.

[jgarber72]

WOW....its a good thing Rush Limbaugh did not say that....oh wait....

[jgarber72]

Why does it show I only have one post???

[brdawk20]

He could put up some reasonable proofs if need be, like the ability of AJ Feeley to steer the Eagles into the playoffs while Donavan was injured, and Feeley is horrible. Or take a look at what Kolb did in 2 games last season. As far as Jaws goes? Not a big fan of his insight to say the least, but I would say the same about Baldi as well. Now Sterling Sharpe, Merle Hodge and believe it or not C. Casserly whom I wasn't in love with as a GM but is pretty good at breaking down match-ups, are guys who know what they are talking about.

Merril Hoge is the biggest moron doing analysis today. He is the idiot who said that the Eagles, after starting 6-0 back in 2004, would not make the playoffs, pointing out that the Eagles were an overrated team that would be exposed. I guess Hoge was happy when they lost the SB to the Cheatriots.

Jaws and Aikman are the best guys are breaking down a game out there today. Both think letting McNabb go to the 'skins puts the 'skins into the playoff hunt now.

[brdawk20]

Yeah I suppose Andy Reid was hiding McNabb's flaws by having him throw to Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell and James Thrash for all those years. Oh wait, let's not forget Reggie Brown. Aside from Westbrook, and one year of TO, McNabb was the offense.

Get the guy's name right. It's Todd Stinkston.

[Rocky21]

I think Baldinger must have gotten hit in the head one too many times.

One of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game? Seriously? How many championship games did the guy lead his former team to? What a doofus.

[SWFLSkins]

The thing about Baldinger exaggerating is that I've never,ever known him to talk or write like that. He's been covering Skins games quite frequently since 2001 back with Curt Menefee before both of them moved on, and he was always even-keeled in his analysis.

But that aside, Philly has always had a good defense, true, but I think McNabb wasn't overrated in the sense that he took criticism every year from the Philly fans and the media, lots of it.

I disagree, I have heard BB go off on a rant and rave before. HE is just doing his job and I don't think this is far from his opinion on McNabb, though I disagree with him. McNabb is certainly not vastly overrated. Hyped maybe, overrated, NO. Philly is going to pay dearly if Kolb struggles in his first full seaosn.

[SWFLSkins]

Merril Hoge is the biggest moron doing analysis today. He is the idiot who said that the Eagles, after starting 6-0 back in 2004, would not make the playoffs, pointing out that the Eagles were an overrated team that would be exposed. I guess Hoge was happy when they lost the SB to the Cheatriots.

Jaws and Aikman are the best guys are breaking down a game out there today. Both think letting McNabb go to the 'skins puts the 'skins into the playoff hunt now.

I agree with you B. Hoge has an ax grinding every minute he is on TV. I think it immediately gives the Redskins what they lacked most at QB, leadership. I have not heard that mentioned often.

[Veretax]

If the hate for McNabb picks up more in the press then we'll know that Rush Limbaugh was only partly right about McNabb being overrated. He would be wrong on the reason, the media seems to be Philly friendly perhaps?

[pointyfootball]

If the hate for McNabb picks up more in the press then we'll know that Rush Limbaugh was only partly right about McNabb being overrated. He would be wrong on the reason, the media seems to be Philly friendly perhaps?

I haven't heard a lot of media hating on McNabb. Quite the opposite in fact.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

What athlete isn't overrated in today's game.

It's all about production and what it is that person can do to propel a team forward. Who is Brian Ball"hanger" again?!

[FLRedskins]

Of course now that he is a Redskin he is overrated they continue to take shots at skins
Hell if peyton manning signed with us they would probably say the same thing
they just hate on the Skins anytime they can

[LD0506]

Baldinger is just playing to the Philly market, I don't care what he has to say here. We are going to find out whether the problem was McNabb or the coaching staff in Philly. Given Shanny's propensity to build a strong running game (something DM never had) we should see a serious upgrade in QB production this season. Fixing the O-line is the crux of the issue now. More competent, effective line play on O and we are instantly better, and with the maneuvering we have seen so far I am confident that the FO has plans for that as well.

[mdpell]

I used to tell my Eagles fan friends the same thing. I'm sure it is just bitterness as that was the case when i would say it.

I don't know if he is overrated or underrated but I do know that he was underappreciated. I would hate hearing Pilthy fans complain about him every year after he took them to the playoffs.

Bottom line even if the Iggles had moved McNabb to the Raiders I am happier getting to play a McNabbless Eagles twice a year now.

[Probos]

Brian Baldinger said McNabb's overrated? Ok, that's all I need to know,....

Pffffftttttt!

:ols:

[gortiz]

i read this and I almost feel that BB did not write this.

It is not his style. He uses alot more tact and NEVER goes off like this.

plus anyone, i mean anyone knows that mcnabb is a worst a top 10 QB. I mean, how can you bash him that bad?

[Jim Bob]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/04/tom-coughlin-wanted-donovan-mcnabb-out-of-the-division/


"Coughlin's reaction was, 'Please, get him out of the division,'" Schefter said. "'We do not want to face him any more.'"

I think Coughlin has a better handle on how good McNabb is than Baldinger.

:eaglesuck

[rumplestilskin]

I would say that he is a touch overrated. My take on it is that he is inconsistent as of late and his erratic play has been most glaring in games that mean something. In his defense though Andy Reid never set him up with a great bunch of receivers (untill just recently) or established a running attack so I think Donovan did as good as most could based on what he had and how many pass attempts he had to throw in a game. Sometimes you say Wow! and some times you say WTF?

[Slacky McSlackAss]

Baldinger is a dumbass. He was Fox's WORST commentator and doesn't deserve to have his opinion heard.

[Mr. Sinister]

WTF, Really ?? If McNabb was still in Philly I'd be calling this guy a retard.

[rumplestilskin]

WTF, Really ?? If McNabb was still in Philly I'd be calling this guy a retard.

Bang on. Now that he is on the skins so many people are drinking the Mcnabb Koolaid when just two days ago they would have agreed with Baldinger at least to some extent. He is overrated but I will admit he wins games and I am not sad to see him.

[SkinFromNepal]

he is retarded... I think McNabb was little UNDERRATED... he made Eagles Perennial Play Off team...

[SkinFromNepal]

Baldinger is a dumbass. He was Fox's WORST commentator and doesn't deserve to have his opinion heard.

Hmm Baldinger was slightly overrated when you called him the worst commentator in Fox.

[Blue Collar Skins]

Brian is delusional on this one. It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that mcnabb wasnt THE reason for the eagles success. ask QB guru and eagles expert Jaws what he thinks about mcnabb. Brian must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh during this offseason.

Totally agree!!

[RandyHolt]

I always thought he was overrated as well, being a skins fan, it doesnt say much. Regardless, in his 5 trips to the championship games, he should have gotten a ring, right? I thought Philly's defense was what carried the team for the most part, and most teams.

In his defense, McNabb seems to get the most out of what was largely a mediocre WR core in his time there. I suspect he is a slight upgrade to Jason, but 4 years from now? Doubtful.

[Mr. Sinister]

I always thought he was overrated as well, being a skins fan, it doesnt say much. Regardless, in his 5 trips to the championship games, he should have gotten a ring, right? I thought Philly's defense was what carried the team for the most part, and most teams.

In his defense, McNabb seems to get the most out of what was largely a mediocre WR core in his time there. I suspect he is a slight upgrade to Jason, but 4 years from now? Doubtful.

+1 Mcnabb really stated to let the ball fly when the Philly FO decided they needed help on the outside. After '03, Philly's offense became more deadly, but his division got ALOT better, and so did the NFC for that matter. And NOBODY was gonna beat the Pats in '04 anyway.

[CallMeGreen]

Wow, really? Why does the media suddenly Hate McNabb now?... ... I'd argue that Philly gets a pass by the media where as DC doesn't. But its crazy. I don't care what they think, When we win the NFC East this year (yes I just said that) people will be praising our genious.
If this happens, then the media criticism will subside. Think about it. How hard is it to point out flaws in a system/organization with such limited success? It's done on this board daily. Besides highlighting shortcomings is child's play, plus the media that writes these negative things can look 'smart' in the process.

"Hey the Raiders blow!" See, now I'm an expert too.

If Reid starts missing out on the playoffs on a more regular basis they'll be all over his stuff too.

[jbowman]

How do you cover up for a QBs flaws by throwing the ball more than anyone else? Doesn't make sense.

[Sebowski]

NFL Network panel excerpts here (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d8175aabb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true).

Seriously, did this numbnut try to get McNabb's autograph and get turned down or something? Reid covering up for McNabb's flaws for 11 years? This is borderline hate. It doesn't even make sense logically - "It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division." Was he high? He's our QB, not anyone else's...

I've seen legitimate criticism of a QB before, but this is as over-the-top as it gets even by mainstream sports media moron standards.

When we get to the playoffs this year and crap on the Eagles, we can rub it in this guy's face. Seriously this was uncalled for.

Baldinger is 100% right. Did you see those Cowboys games last year? Did you see McChoke throwup and mismanage the clock on that last Super Bowl drive? How about all those Championship games he choked in?

[Rudechain]

Go ask Terry Bradshaw what he thinks of Montana? Not a big fan of his game because he has always maintained that the San Fran offense was basically meant to compensate for lack of a true QB, or a weak armed QB, either way TB never considered Montana much of a QB, just a guy who was fortuante enough to fall into the right offense, at the right time, now Walsh was a genious.

But the kicker is the QB had to know where the receiver was going to be and get the ball to that spot at the right time.

Bradshaw is NOT the the be all end all of football knowledge. One could say that the supporting cast around him helped him win too.


Now as to Baldinger's comments. The guy was an offensive lineman, and has some insight, but not enough to warrant his opinion as completely right.

McNabb may be over rated in some eyes but he still is pretty dang good

[Hubbs]

Now was that the same Chiefs team that beat us? He went up an down the field against a team that saw JC finish the game watching from the sidelines, because of QB ineptitude.

He moved the ball well against the Saints at a time when they were playing very good defense, and it was his 1st start, and the Saints did win the Super Bowl to be exact.

You can't deny that the Chiefs were putrid last year. It's just that our offense was putrid, too.

As for Kolb, two games do not a quarterback make. You certainly couldn't make the argument that he's less likely to be a good QB because of them, but I don't really think they show that he's more likely to be a good QB, either. Billy Volek came in as a backup for McNair a few years ago and absolutely lit it up for the two games he was in. I believe he threw for over 900 yards total. Sage Rosenfels had some great games coming in as a backup for the Texans. Hell, remember what happened to us when Byron Leftwich replaced Ben Roethlisburger? Sometimes there's an advantage to playing a game or two out of the backup role - teams don't have any film of what that team does with that quarterback. The playcalling tendencies are very likely to change, and the decisions made on passing plays are also very likely to change.

[Botched]

Brian Baldinger has one of the most overrated pinkies in history.

[skinzwiz]

Baldinger is 100% right. Did you see those Cowboys games last year? Did you see McChoke throwup and mismanage the clock on that last Super Bowl drive? How about all those Championship games he choked in?
What did you see?? Did you even see those games?? If you did you would know McNabb was running for his life in those games and Jackson was completely shut down.

[skinzwiz]

WTF is Brian Baldinger to diss somebody like McNabb! He sounds like a bitter 40 year old virgin!

[Truant]

A bit hyperbolic, but I don't disagree with him. Pedestrian stats, carried by Reid and Jim Johnson, McNabb was never very special in my eyes.

Better than average, but over-hyped and overrated. He had one stellar season. Aaron Rodgers already has two seasons better than McNabb's best year.

[TotalRecall]

The guy played for Dallas and Philadelphia. What do you expect?

[skinzwiz]

A bit hyperbolic, but I don't disagree with him. Pedestrian stats, carried by Reid and Jim Johnson, McNabb was never very special in my eyes.

Better than average, but over-hyped and overrated. He had one stellar season. Aaron Rodgers already has two seasons better than McNabb's best year.You give McNabb all those Green Bay WR's and see what he does. McNabb had to work with Thrash, Pinkston, and Mitchell his whole career almost. They couldn't start on some high school teams!

[Jim Bob]

I always thought that McNabb got a raw deal.

In 11 seasons he got his team to the playoffs 8 times and to the NFC Title Game 5 times.

Oh yeah, he also has a better overall playoff Won-Loss record than Peyton Manning.

[Larry Brown #43]

For whatever it's worth, if McNabb ever wins a Super Bowl with the Redskins, he's likely to become the most reviled sports figure in Philly history. Which would be kinda fun. :)

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

What did you see?? Did you even see those games?? If you did you would know McNabb was running for his life in those games and Jackson was completely shut down.

Wrong! He he missed Jackson open deep 3 or 4 times in the last game of the season against Dallas, which is why everyone was saying DM had to play better and not miss so many deep balls in the playoff game. Which he did not, he entered the game doing Elvis impersonations for the Dallas fans like the clown that he is, instead of worrying about the Dallas defense and what he had to do to beat them. Which is exactly why IMO that he is now a Redskin.

[Renegade7]

Of course somebody would say something stupid like this. Did ya'll see Sal Palantonio's article? The media hates us, man. McNabb is simple getting lumped in with the rest of us because he's B&G now. It's all BS.

[redskins55]

I love the video when Rich Eisen asks " What if McNabb wins a Sb in Washington?' And Mike Lombardi says .. " OH MY.... oh my.... dont go back to Philly" :ols:

[redskins55]

How do you cover up for a QBs flaws by throwing the ball more than anyone else? Doesn't make sense.

+1

Exactly!!

[redskins55]

I too think this love affair with McPOS will be short lived by the fans... This team hasnt changed a bit. Its still fantasy football and bringing in players at the end of their careers who have little left in the tank.

My prediction: Hes done for the season by week 7 and never plays another game for the skins.

Regardless of what McNabb does here you cant take away his accomplishments. The man has won 60% of his games without a single offensive weapon or running game! Westbrook is the only weapon McNabb had and he was a running back that didnt even run the ball! Noone can succeed in that environment but he did.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Merril Hoge is the biggest moron doing analysis today. He is the idiot who said that the Eagles, after starting 6-0 back in 2004, would not make the playoffs, pointing out that the Eagles were an overrated team that would be exposed. I guess Hoge was happy when they lost the SB to the Cheatriots.

Jaws and Aikman are the best guys are breaking down a game out there today. Both think letting McNabb go to the 'skins puts the 'skins into the playoff hunt now.

Jaws also thought that JC was going to star.

Nobody is right all of the time I don't care how good they may be, but Jaws is more about play catting the fans for popularity than actual football knowledge.

I think aikman is the best in the business of telling it like it is during the game, but I don't think he does a whole lot breaking things down pregame, not because he can't, I just don't think that's what he's asked to do.

Aikman by the way is not a guy who's ever been very high on McNabb, he doesn't think McNabb is to swift. If you remember 2 seasons ago when Donavan ran out of bounds for a 1st down and then ran over to the opposing teams phone on the sideline and acted like he was making a phone call, and Aikman said sometimes he really has no idea what's going through that guy's head.

I think DM is more about being a clown this stage in his career than anything else, and I have said for years long before Baldi said anything, that DM is more of a product of a tremendous organization with great coaching in which he does nothing but hold back, his accomplishments IMO are not nearly what a great QB would have playing in the Eagles system over the same coarse of time, but he will have ample opportunity to disprove all of that.

[SonnySide]

The only I have with Brian Baldinger is his stupid name.
Seriously, who in the hell goes around with a name like "Brian"......:drooley:

[Larry Brown #43]

Wow such rabid loyalty for a guy who just this past Saturday was a member of the hated enemy the iggles.

And still hasn't thrown a pass in training camp yet.

For me, it's more loyalty, or FAITH in, Coach Shanahan and the new regime...and a belief that they'll make sound decisions for this team. Shanny knows QBs, and he knows how to coach them. I trust his judgment.

[laxpck]

DIdnt Rush Limbaugh get absolutely lambasted for saying this exact same thing?

[pvkeeper19]

Baldinger is pretty much an idiot most of the time, so it's easy to discredit a bold statement like this, especially when he overstates his case so badly.

He's partly right--McNabb is highly overrated--but I don't know that this is a downgrade (at least in the short term) from Jason Campbell. McNabb gets a lot of credit he doesn't deserve, and I'm not sure why. But he's not as bad as Baldy would have you believe.

[pvkeeper19]

Jaws also thought that JC was going to star.

Nobody is right all of the time I don't care how good they may be, but Jaws is more about play catting the fans for popularity than actual football knowledge.

I think aikman is the best in the business of telling it like it is during the game, but I don't think he does a whole lot breaking things down pregame, not because he can't, I just don't think that's what he's asked to do.

Aikman by the way is not a guy who's ever been very high on McNabb, he doesn't think McNabb is to swift. If you remember 2 seasons ago when Donavan ran out of bounds for a 1st down and then ran over to the opposing teams phone on the sideline and acted like he was making a phone call, and Aikman said sometimes he really has no idea what's going through that guy's head.

I think DM is more about being a clown this stage in his career than anything else, and I have said for years long before Baldi said anything, that DM is more of a product of a tremendous organization with great coaching in which he does nothing but hold back, his accomplishments IMO are not nearly what a great QB would have playing in the Eagles system over the same coarse of time, but he will have ample opportunity to disprove all of that.
Jaworski was not far wrong on Campbell, and I think with some separation from his time here, you Campbell haters will begin to see that. But I will agree that Jaws is not a great analyst. People think that because he breaks down X's and O's for you on TV, he's a great analyst. Well, no, anyone who's spent any time in a playbook can do that. Fact is, he's generally not a great evaluator of talent.

I disagree with you about Aikman (too many concussions rendered him unable to speak proper English), but I do agree wholeheartedly with his (and your) opinion of McNabb. Overrated? Definitely. As bad as Baldinger says? No.

[ADF]

McNabb is no more overrated than every other QB in the NFL.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Jaworski was not far wrong on Campbell, and I think with some separation from his time here, you Campbell haters will begin to see that. But I will agree that Jaws is not a great analyst. People think that because he breaks down X's and O's for you on TV, he's a great analyst. Well, no, anyone who's spent any time in a playbook can do that. Fact is, he's generally not a great evaluator of talent.

I disagree with you about Aikman (too many concussions rendered him unable to speak proper English), but I do agree wholeheartedly with his (and your) opinion of McNabb. Overrated? Definitely. As bad as Baldinger says? No.

Well regardless, the worst of McNabb is defiently an upgrade over Campbell!

[Santana_89]

Name a QB without a flaw? ;) Peyton,Brady,Warner,Rothesliberger,Elway,Young,Aik man....etc
EVERY PLAYER has strengths and weaknesses. Shanny better than Baldinger or anyone else knows how to play to McNabb's strengths better?

Young,Elway,Plummer,Cutler,Griese and I'm going to take what a noob like Baldy "thinks" over Mike Shanhan:ols::ols:

[pvkeeper19]

Well regardless, the worst of McNabb is defiently an upgrade over Campbell!
Agree to disagree.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

Thought I would drop in my 2 cents...

McNabb, IMHO, had not much to do with the last 2 Dallas losses - losing their C Jamaal Jackson was HUGE - it just crumbled their entire OL. If we had lose Andre Gurode, we would have completely fell to pieces too. If anything, Jackson's the guy who makes all the line calls et al. Nick Cole just looked too scared.

I honestly feel that wk17 game would have turned out differently if Jackson had been in there - Eagles would have had the #2 seed, an extra week's of rest, and they probably would have beaten the Saints in the NFCCG. Reid/Morninweg were doing an outstanding job running a balanced offense when Jackson was in there prior to his injury - injuries CAN change the personality of the entire game plans. It was alot like when we lost Kyle Kosier in 2008 - Jason Garrett was forced to be pass happy b/c Kosier's excellent run blocking skills weren't there.

[paloosa]

Balldinger is a dumbass. He loved him when he was an Eagle and now that he isplaying for the Redskins he is all of a sudden a Donovan McNabb hater. Balldinger was a below average player and now is a below average reporter. No one outside Philly even listens to this guy so who cares what Balldinger says.

[jnhay]

Has Baldinger said similar things before McNabb signed with the Redskins?

[Operations]

McChunky IS overrated, but still he's a HUGE upgrade over Candle. Might actually be fun watching the Skins offense this year. McChunky to Moss deep. Could work!

[19Skins72]

I think I'm going to attack the messenger on this one and point out that his opinion is worth no more than mine.

Unfortunately for Baldinger, the stats favor my opinion on McNabb far more than they support his...

[Skinem]

Mcnabb will not lead us to playoffs with this offense, forget about it.

[terpfan44]

not like Baldy was all that great a player...himself
he is known for having a bent finger...big deal

[mnb123]

Mcnabb will not lead us to playoffs with this offense, forget about it.

you know Zorn got fired, right?

[booballen]

Mcnabb will not lead us to playoffs with this offense, forget about it.

such insight...

[HawaiianTime]

In case anyone is interested on who Brian Baldinger is, http://www.nfl.com/players/brianbaldinger/profile?id=BAL123048, and what his qualifications are. See also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Baldinger.

[bulldog]

Brian Baldinger was an OL, I remember him. He is quite opinionated given his rather mediocre career in the NFL. I guess I missed the part where a GUARD is such a good judge of quarterback talent :laugh:

Maybe we should have asked Mike Williams about the McNabb trade before making it :D

[nemocystem]

asinine...

take a loooong look at the McNabb era in Philly & give me more than 1 above average WR tandem without some dude named T.O. involved...

it's ok...i'll wait.........


while you're at it...tell me how many times during that era did the entire Iggles team rush for over 1,500 yards?

somehow...this is all McNabb's fault & he's simply overrated.

poppycock.

[bulldog]

the most overrated quarterback in the NFL is in fact an NFC East player.... Eli Manning :)

[nemocystem]

the most overrated quarterback in the NFL is in fact an NFC East player.... Eli Manning :)


lol...exactly

[Santana_Fan]

the most overrated quarterback in the NFL is in fact an NFC East player.... Eli Manning :)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/thbends/Eli-Manning.gif

[4skins23]

"Brian Baldinger: Eagles have no regret
The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course."


Love it. Funny stuff.

[4skins23]

the most overrated quarterback in the NFL is in fact an NFC East player.... Eli Manning :)

Good point. I always forget about him cuz he sux sooo bad. :D

[whatmeworry]

Over rated compared to who? Always thought he was the best QB in the NFL east and has been for years. Just hope his legs hold up.

[ciresolstice]

All I need to know is Baldinger and I stop there. He never has anything decent to say about the Redskins and his bias is obvious and he lacks an objective view as a commentator...that and his eyes freak me out. Who cares. moving on.

[Kindred]

Brian Baldinger: Eagles have no regret
The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course.



Cowboys' Brooking backs McNabb
Cowboys linebacker Keith Brooking said that the Eagles would make a mistake if they dealt Donovan McNabb.
Considering the fact that Dallas smoked the Eagles in the regular-season finale and the playoffs last season, you got to wonder if Brooking just wants to see McNabb still at quarterback.
“You don’t know what you got until it’s gone,” Brooking said today on a ESPN radio in Dallas. He added: “It’s not like the Eagles have five or six rings or any championships. That guy’s been getting booed there since he was drafted.”
Brooking placed most of the blame for the Eagles' three losses to the Cowboys on the playcalling. Coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg script the offense and make the calls.
"The way we dominated them, obviously McNabb didn’t play his best, but they were very predictable," Brooking said. "We knew exactly what was coming on every play. A lot of that didn’t have to do with Donovan McNabb."


Eagles had a problem, but it sure wasnt McNabb. You may have joe montana, steve young, or tom brady, it still wont matter if you throw the ball 90% of the time and when you do decide to run, it doesnt do ****. The eagles tanked because they lost their most potent threat to injury: Westbrook. McNabb could always make things happen as long as Westbrook was around. Without him, they were simply predictable.

[ArmchairRedskin]

I can't help but be excited about the Shanhan/McNabb possibilities. I was saying before all this went down that I would be fine with whomever we drafted at QB because of past success that Mike has had with QB's. He's taken bad players to good (Plummer) and good players to great (Elway). So now that he's working with a player that's already good, and is in fact a better player in this point in his career than even Elway was, it's hard not to be excited. People wanted Elway to retire when Shanahan took over the Broncos. Said he was over the hill. Couldn't get his team over the hump. I see a lot of parallels.

Baldinger probably disoriented himself by waving that pinky around. Don't be too hard on him.

[[[ghost]]]

I still find it extremely difficult to associate the Skins with McNabb.

It's not like I don't like Donovan, it's just that all of the years of hearing him as an Eagle makes me imagine him as nothing but one. It probably has something to do with the fact that he was a very successful QB for a fierce division rival.

[SoulRebel]

This kind of anti-McNabb sentiment makes me like the trade even more. It's been only 24 hours and I already feel protective of a player that I used to despise. It would be phenomenal to see McNabb find success with Shanahan, become adored by die-hard Skins fans, to see him as a fan favorite after all the grief he took in Philly, and to watch Eagles fans go bonkers when we beat them.

I wish I could say something original, but that sums up my feelings perfectly. When I first heard of the trade I was pissed because it reminded me of a vinny move and loyalty to Campbell. Well I still think Campbell is a good man and wish him well, but it's obvious he isn't going to be a Redskin anymore so McNabb is our QB and that dumbass baldinger made like the move more now. Always thought McNabb had a superbowl in him, now I'm even more sure with him here. :eaglesuck

[pvkeeper19]

asinine...

take a loooong look at the McNabb era in Philly & give me more than 1 above average WR tandem without some dude named T.O. involved...

it's ok...i'll wait.........


while you're at it...tell me how many times during that era did the entire Iggles team rush for over 1,500 yards?

somehow...this is all McNabb's fault & he's simply overrated.

poppycock.
Two things:

1. Why does McNabb get a pass for "questionable receiver talent" when other guys don't? Nobody here gave Jason Campbell the benefit of the doubt with the Redskins' receiver groups over the last two years.

2. The Eagles had top-10 rushing attacks 3 times during his time in Philly. They were in the top half of the league in rushing 7 of his 11 seasons there. The "no running game" thing is a myth as well.

McNabb is a good QB made to look better by the good teams he played on. That's the definition of "overrated."

[veteranskinsfan]

I am glad Baldinger came out with these comments. It should fire up McNabb and Shanahan. National talking types have been wrong before. Who did Baldinger pick to win the Super Bowl last year? Normally he does not make very many bold statements.

[The Full Monty]

Two things:

1. Why does McNabb get a pass for "questionable receiver talent" when other guys don't? Nobody here gave Jason Campbell the benefit of the doubt with the Redskins' receiver groups over the last two years.
Campbell was given the benefit of the doubt, by many, many, many people. And he has had many, many apologists, who apparently are still active. The flaws with Campbell, for me, will always be his inability to hit receivers in stride and his horrible wind-up throwing motion and slow release. Even when receivers were open, he would hit them too late in their route so they would have to stop and catch the ball - and that's if he didn't overthrow them.

2. The Eagles had top-10 rushing attacks 3 times during his time in Philly. They were in the top half of the league in rushing 7 of his 11 seasons there. The "no running game" thing is a myth as well.
The top half? You mean 7 out of 11 seasons the Eagle ranked somewhere between #1 and #16 rushuing, out of 32? Wow, that's real perspective there. There was no consistent running attack in Philly. Dude talk with some Philly fans - or better yet - watch our games against them - you know exactly well that Reid abandons the run with little hesitation. There was no legitimate running attack and you must really not have watched any of our games vs. Philly all these years to see that.

[skinzwiz]

Wrong! He he missed Jackson open deep 3 or 4 times in the last game of the season against Dallas, which is why everyone was saying DM had to play better and not miss so many deep balls in the playoff game. Which he did not, he entered the game doing Elvis impersonations for the Dallas fans like the clown that he is, instead of worrying about the Dallas defense and what he had to do to beat them. Which is exactly why IMO that he is now a Redskin.So you're telling me he had all day to throw...Wrong!;)

[Mr. Sinister]

Hey pvkeeper, you're missing the point. When the Eagles WANTED TO, they could run the ball. Reid just loved to go the route of the mad bomber with his playcalling. The Eagles also have struggled in short yardage situations for like 4 years now, which also does little to refute the fact that they couldn't run it when the game was on the line ( red zone, goalline, 3rd/4th& Inches)

[jnhay]

Two things:

1. Why does McNabb get a pass for "questionable receiver talent" when other guys don't? Nobody here gave Jason Campbell the benefit of the doubt with the Redskins' receiver groups over the last two years.

2. The Eagles had top-10 rushing attacks 3 times during his time in Philly. They were in the top half of the league in rushing 7 of his 11 seasons there. The "no running game" thing is a myth as well.

McNabb is a good QB made to look better by the good teams he played on. That's the definition of "overrated."
So you're saying that the Eagles were so loaded elsewhere that Mcnabb consistently won without great receivers? Are you also saying that the Eagles don't open up the run with the pass?

[z0eboy]

as a redskins fan im torn between the idea but understand what shanahan did by aquiring mcnabb. coach is new to the nfc east and wanted his qb and felt campbell wasn't it, i feel like its an upgrade but was it worth it? only time with again a new system is what either qb will need but with mcnabb the odds of winning now has increased.


campbell wasn't bad but was never bred in the nfl to be a winner due to unfortunate circumstances forcing gibbs to retire, campbell was gibbs gb and in my opinion sean taylor’s death shifted what could have been campbells greatest years. even now in hind sight the zorn west coast system was elementary needing the aid of a bingo caller.

[pvkeeper19]

So you're saying that the Eagles were so loaded elsewhere that Mcnabb consistently won without great receivers? Are you also saying that the Eagles don't open up the run with the pass?
To your first question, yes. The Eagles have been a top defense pretty consistently during McNabb's tenure there, and I think it's obvious why that makes it easier to win games. Lots of teams win without great receivers. The 2006 Bears come to mind--and they didn't have much at QB either. That's a bit of an exaggerated example, but the fact remains.

To your second question, sure, the pass can open up the run. I don't see how that helps your argument, though. I could just as easily argue that with that pass-first philosophy, when the Eagles had a poor run game, it was McNabb's fault for not being a more effective passer.

[vigilante]

Brian Baldinger is an Eagles fan. He's just pissed they actually traded McNabb to the Redskins.

[jocool1313]

LOVE that McNabb is here in DC!! The real "flaw" in his game was that the Eagles did not run the ball!! and when they wanted to on 4th and one they could not convert. Lets see what McNabb can do with a running game supporting him and really giving the opposing defenses something to think about instead of passing all the time!!

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

So you're telling me he had all day to throw...Wrong!;)

And your telling me he can't hit wide open receivers if there is some pressure?

[SkinsFanJPD]

NFL Network panel excerpts here (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d8175aabb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true).

Seriously, did this numbnut try to get McNabb's autograph and get turned down or something? Reid covering up for McNabb's flaws for 11 years? This is borderline hate. It doesn't even make sense logically - "It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division." Was he high? He's our QB, not anyone else's...

I've seen legitimate criticism of a QB before, but this is as over-the-top as it gets even by mainstream sports media moron standards.

When we get to the playoffs this year and crap on the Eagles, we can rub it in this guy's face. Seriously this was uncalled for.

To be honest, I always thought he was overrated too. Now that he is on the Redskins, I'm not changing my opinion.

[RichmondRedskin88]

I concur with Baldi, but not to often do I say that, he's a little off the wall with a lot of his analysis, but I agree wholeheartedly with him here.

But I always felt Steve Young was the most overrated QB in history. A great athlete who spent enough time in an offense designed for simplicity and finally put it together for 1 season, yes he has some numbers but the San Fran version of the WCO made just about anyone look good in it's heyday.

If Steve Young is overrated I would kill for MR. Overrated Steve Young.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

about the eagles running game, so soon we forget that McNabb used to account for 300-400 yards per season of it.

[authentic]

Less talent around him? Maybe if you consider this past season. Just go back and look at the absolute scrubs at WR he took with him to those NFC championship games. He had zero help on the outside. Furthermore, philly's offense has been so lopsided and one-dimensional it's amazing Mcnabb has such a low INT count, and was able to win in the first place. He's coming here, to play with a team with more talent at WR than he was used to, much more talent at TE, a coach who's known for having an awesome running attack (which philly never really had), and also will be playing for one of the top offensive minds in the game in Kyle. Our O-line right now is worse than what he is used to, but that'll get fixed within the next season or two. All things being equal, you could easily argue he has more talent here than he had prior to 09.

I'm glad somebody gets it. The only knock on McNabb is his inconsistant accuracy and a tendancy to not step up in the Championship games. But the one year where he had that star in TO, they went to the SB. I just can't see how people keep saying he's over rated. I really don't see it.

[authentic]

If Steve Young is overrated I would kill for MR. Overrated Steve Young.

If Steve Young is overrated, then every QB in the HOF is overrated. I would like to know what these people mean specifically by "overrated".

[pvkeeper19]

I'm glad somebody gets it. The only knock on McNabb is his inconsistant accuracy and a tendancy to not step up in the Championship games. But the one year where he had that star in TO, they went to the SB. I just can't see how people keep saying he's over rated. I really don't see it.
Hm, poor accuracy and failure to step up in important situations... those sound like weaknesses in two of the most important areas of quarterbacking. In fact, many of you have spent the past two years blasting Jason Campbell for the same failings.

THAT is why McNabb is overrated.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

uh

McNabb has somewhat inconsistent accuracy on short and intemediate routes but has the knack for the big play, and for putting his WRs in positions to make big plays in the passing game.

Campbell has relatively consistent accuracy on short and intermediate routes but making big plays in the passing game is absolutely not his forte.

btw McNabb has been hit just as much and just as often as Campbell at his worst but you don't hear about it because he WINS.

(going to gloss over for now the fact that mcnabb is one of the most unclutch long-term starting quarterbacks in the last 15 years in terms of the difference in his normal play versus his play in the clutch)

(campbell is dead last)

EDIT: In terms of successful comeback percentage, McNabb looks a lot better, converting on nearly 30% of comeback opportunities (league average) to Campbell's 22%.

[fnkdctr(007)]

What are these horrific weaknesses BALDI. What a Dumbass to make these comments with no specifics. and FYI Baldass MC Dumbass all players have weaknesses thats why we still use humans to play sports.

[Hitman#21]

8 of the past 10 season's he took his team to the playoffs. That my friend's is a telling stat.

[RichmondRedskin88]

What are these horrific weaknesses BALDI. What a Dumbass to make these comments with no specifics. and FYI Baldass MC Dumbass all players have weaknesses thats why we still use humans to play sports.

Perhaps we should switch to Avatars:silly:

[authentic]

Hm, poor accuracy and failure to step up in important situations... those sound like weaknesses in two of the most important areas of quarterbacking. In fact, many of you have spent the past two years blasting Jason Campbell for the same failings.

THAT is why McNabb is overrated.

-32,973 yards passing
-59% career completion
-216 TDs to 100 ints
-3,249 yards rushing
-28 TDs rushing
-5 division titles
-5 NFC Championship game appearances
-1 Superbowl Appearance


....Yeah bro. you're right he's overrated :rolleyes:

[pvkeeper19]

-32,973 yards passing
-59% career completion
-216 TDs to 100 ints
-3,249 yards rushing
-28 TDs rushing
-5 division titles
-5 NFC Championship game appearances
-1 Superbowl Appearance


....Yeah bro. you're right he's overrated :rolleyes:
Averages less than 3,000 yards passing per season, multiple high-profile choke jobs, 25th among active NFL players in completion percentage (behind guys like David Carr, Jake Delhomme, and oh yeah, Jason Campbell). And he did all that on GOOD teams. What's he going to do on a BELOW AVERAGE team like this one?

I'm telling you... he's not terrible, but he's not as good as you're all making him out to be, either.

[dewyane]

If McNabb ever had a dominant running game he would have at least one Superbowl ring.

[dewyane]

Too many fans dis the 59 percent comp. stat....Elway's was lower and he went to 5 SB's...fantasy football mentality corrupts football logic.

[pvkeeper19]

If McNabb ever had a dominant running game he would have at least one Superbowl ring.
Eagles were top 10 in rushing 3 times while McNabb was there. They didn't win a Super Bowl in any of those years.

You are another victim of this myth perpetuated by McNabb apologists.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Averages less than 3,000 yards passing per season, multiple high-profile choke jobs, 25th among active NFL players in completion percentage (behind guys like David Carr, Jake Delhomme, and oh yeah, Jason Campbell). And he did all that on GOOD teams. What's he going to do on a BELOW AVERAGE team like this one?

I'm telling you... he's not terrible, but he's not as good as you're all making him out to be, either.

learn to statistical analysis

You really did just take his career yardage total and divide it by seasons, right? Never mind that McNabb only played in 6 games as a rookie, 10 games in 2002, 9 and 10 in 2004 and 2005, then 14, 15, and 14 games the past 3 years.

McNabb's teams were NEVER good offensively.

Moss/ARE/Cooley >>>>> Pinkston/Thrash/Mitchell. His lines gave up 30-45 sacks a season, or about 2 sacks per game.

Delhomme was a good quarterback from about 2003 to 2006.

Meanwhile, McNabb is 4th among active players in passing TDs, top 10 among his contemporaries in passer rating, 11th among active players in pass yards per game, and 4th among active players in pass yards.

This "McNabb is overrated" meme is just unbelievable.

[SkinsTribeVA]

One of the most overrated QB's in history??! 6 Pro Bowls and 5 conference championship games (4 of them consecutive) say differently. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm calling racism on this one. Another thread here is talking about Trent Dilfer's opinion--Trent Dilfer??--One Pro Bowl and a Super Bowl with one of the best defenses of recent memory... hmm. McNabb is a truly great QB, we just gotta hope he stays great for at least another two years, hopefully 4 or 5.

[illone]

Wrong on this one, Baldy.

Let's see what McNabb can do with a healthy running game. Me thinks McNabb is going to rip teams apart if the Skins are able to provide this guy a running game.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I hope this means this fool never calls another Skins game. Can't stand this dude.

[TheMan CC47]

I am not a McNugget, I mean, McNabb fan. I am very happy he is now a Redskins, as it is a major upgrade at a postition that despertly needed to be addressed, however; I'm not sure that he is my first choice. That being said, to say that Reid has been covering up for him for 11 years is crazy. If anything McNugget has been covering up for Andy's inabiliaty to call a run play.

[ross3909]

The big unknown is what McNabb will look like in a Shanahan offense. IMO, he will be slightly less important because of Shanahan's emphasis on the running game. This will allow McNabb to sit back and make smart decisions instead of throwing every down. This could be a great move for him and us.

[authentic]

learn to statistical analysis

You really did just take his career yardage total and divide it by seasons, right? Never mind that McNabb only played in 6 games as a rookie, 10 games in 2002, 9 and 10 in 2004 and 2005, then 14, 15, and 14 games the past 3 years.

McNabb's teams were NEVER good offensively.

Moss/ARE/Cooley >>>>> Pinkston/Thrash/Mitchell. His lines gave up 30-45 sacks a season, or about 2 sacks per game.

Delhomme was a good quarterback from about 2003 to 2006.

Meanwhile, McNabb is 4th among active players in passing TDs, top 10 among his contemporaries in passer rating, 11th among active players in pass yards per game, and 4th among active players in pass yards.

This "McNabb is overrated" meme is just unbelievable.

Its really no use to go further than this bro. Some people will believe what they want to believe no matter what proof you present to them.

[ross3909]

BTW, isn't this exactly what Rush was kicked off of MNF for saying?

[pointyfootball]

McNabb's teams were NEVER good offensively.

Huh? Eagles NFL Offensive Rank (pts/game):

2000: 12th
2001: 9th
2002: 4th
2003: 11th
2004: 8th
2005: 18th
2006: 6th
2007: 17th
2008: 6th
2009: 5th

2005 was the TO-implosion year. Otherwise the Eagles have been a very good offensive team, even with Mitchell/Pinkston/etc.


Moss/ARE/Cooley >>>>> Pinkston/Thrash/Mitchell. His lines gave up 30-45 sacks a season, or about 2 sacks per game.

As much as I like McNabb, you have to admit that sacks are not always the blame of the OL. AR picks OL that are better pass than run blockers. One of McNabb's weaknesses is his inability to anticipate a WR breaking open. He then hangs on to the ball a little to long at times.


This "McNabb is overrated" meme is just unbelievable.

I agree. Definitely don't think he's overrated. UNLESS...McNabb does so-so in DC and Kolb lights it up in Philly. THen it's a coach/scheme issue, IMO.

[pointyfootball]

BTW, isn't this exactly what Rush was kicked off of MNF for saying?

No he was kicked off for giving his opinion that McNabb is propped up because he is a black QB and the league wants a/the black QBs to do well.

[Rodriggo]

Baldinger can go stick that mutant finger right up his ***

[PorkSkins]

Who cares what Baldy says? Obviously his opinion is distorted by the fact that he lives in NJ and secretly is a G Fan. His boy from NY may be the second most overrated. His one and done for a SB will set another record when he retires. SD got the better end of the deal in that draft.

[LetThePointsSoar]

Just look around this board as of late. Most everyone is giddy over this trade (almost like when Zorn was hired), so I wonder how long will it take for fans to turn on McNabb, Shanny et al? (shrug)

Who was giddy when Zorn was hired??? I distinctly remember a hell of a lot more furious people than giddiness....

...and I'll go on record now as being confusedly lukewarm about this trade...I don't love it, but it is at least an upgrade temporarily, I'm more curious about what our long term solution is going to be....

[LetThePointsSoar]

As much as I like McNabb, you have to admit that sacks are not always the blame of the OL. AR picks OL that are better pass than run blockers. One of McNabb's weaknesses is his inability to anticipate a WR breaking open. He then hangs on to the ball a little to long at times.



Those weaknesses sound eerily familiar....hmmm.....

[SonnySide]

I'm a big McNabb fan and think the change of scenery is going to be great for him. I predict the Skins WILL compete for the division.
As far as the Rush comment, anyone who doesn't think that the NFL and the media really, really wants a black QB to do well is smoking crack or simply not paying attention.

[SonnySide]

BTW, I got called a racist once for saying that McNabb looked like "Worf" (Michael Dorn) from StarTrekNG....I meant it as a compliment!

[dockeryfan]

I have yet to be impressed with Baldinger articles.

Well, he continues his streak.

[pvkeeper19]

learn to statistical analysis
Learn to English. (Cheap shot, I know, but too easy not to take.)


You really did just take his career yardage total and divide it by seasons, right? Never mind that McNabb only played in 6 games as a rookie, 10 games in 2002, 9 and 10 in 2004 and 2005, then 14, 15, and 14 games the past 3 years.
Yep, you're right. You can't help your team when you're not on the field. That's a big part of my point. He gets hurt a lot, and now he's getting old, and thus more likely to get injured.


McNabb's teams were NEVER good offensively.
That's just patently untrue.


Moss/ARE/Cooley >>>>> Pinkston/Thrash/Mitchell. His lines gave up 30-45 sacks a season, or about 2 sacks per game.
I hate to break it to you, but Moss and Randle El aren't really that good--Randle El especially. McNabb has played with elite receivers as well (Terrell Owens and DeSean Jackson), a luxury Campbell never had. This receiving corps is about on par with what McNabb had to work with in Philly in non-TO/Jackson years. He's not going to make them look like superstars, because they aren't, and McNabb isn't Drew Brees. Also, McNabb has a tendency to take unnecessary sacks at times.

[authentic]

Per Rick Maese (http://twitter.com/RickMaese/)


Donovan McNabb throwing with WRs today.


Malcolm Kelly and Chris Cooley both said it feels like Donovan McNabb has already been here couple years

[nemocystem]

Two things:

1. Why does McNabb get a pass for "questionable receiver talent" when other guys don't? Nobody here gave Jason Campbell the benefit of the doubt with the Redskins' receiver groups over the last two years.


the difference not denoted in your rebuttal is that A) JC didn't take those teams to 5 NFC Championship games, B) nobody has ever accused JC of making poor WR's look good.

nobody would ever utter the name Freddie Mitchell again if it weren't for McNabb



2. The Eagles had top-10 rushing attacks 3 times during his time in Philly. They were in the top half of the league in rushing 7 of his 11 seasons there. The "no running game" thing is a myth as well.

McNabb is a good QB made to look better by the good teams he played on. That's the definition of "overrated."

ok...i'll concede the rushing yardage stats, & raise you the football I.Q. factor of understanding that simply by virtue of your rushing totals, you do not instill fear into your opponent.

nobody has EVER been afraid of the Iggles rushing attack...& even less are ever worried that they'll remain committed to it over the course of 4 qtrs.

Brooking made that much clear in his remarks regarding Philly's predictability in their 3 games last year.

looks more to me like a great QB elevating the level of play for the players around him, & less like an overrated QB being held up by the virtue of his system & his teammates.

how many picks does he throw? how many times does he throw the ball?

i'm not sure on this...but he may have one of the best attempt/int ratios in NFL history? i could be wrong.

anyways...

dude is a winner (minus a title), certainly an upgrade over JC, & i suspect that he'll immediately make our WR look better than they may actually be.

that said...let's hope he doesn't fumble 2-3 times a game resulting from a porous offensive line.

i want to see us plug up those issues before i start proclaiming us NFC bEast favorites.

[kubstix]

Mcnabb is very talented despite what anyone says. He makes great receivers out of poor ones. I sense our receiver core will be substantially more effective with Donny5 than JC. You will see this in just our first game guaranteed. Second, Andy Reid's playcalling is downright PATHETIC. 90% pass, 10% run. Much of the Eagle's success is indeed because of Donovan McNabb. Even under Jim Johnson, the defense was terrible UNLESS the Birds got an early lead. The Philadelphia Eagles success was weighted heavily on Donovan McNabb getting out to an early lead. If they caught an early lead, the defense played aggressive and blitzed almost every down with a combination of runs pending the lead difference. No early lead, 100% passing for the rest of the game and abandoning the run. Say what you people want about the birds success, there reason for coming up short was garbage playcalling by the walrus. Believe me though, a few NFC Championships were lost because of McNabb I won't deny this. But who doesn't have a down game every once in awhile? McNabb will be an even better QB on the Redskins due to playcalling.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Learn to English. (Cheap shot, I know, but too easy not to take.)


Yep, you're right. You can't help your team when you're not on the field. That's a big part of my point. He gets hurt a lot, and now he's getting old, and thus more likely to get injured.


That's just patently untrue.


I hate to break it to you, but Moss and Randle El aren't really that good--Randle El especially. McNabb has played with elite receivers as well (Terrell Owens and DeSean Jackson), a luxury Campbell never had. This receiving corps is about on par with what McNabb had to work with in Philly in non-TO/Jackson years. He's not going to make them look like superstars, because they aren't, and McNabb isn't Drew Brees. Also, McNabb has a tendency to take unnecessary sacks at times.

Amazing! JC can't get the ball to proven recievers like Moss, EL, Cooley and it's their fault, you see how the CDT operates, all of JC's short comings are someone else's fault. Any receiver catching balls from JC is going to look less than ordinary.

And McNabb is the guy who takes unnecessary sacks? I find it kind of funny that you would actually bring a comparison like that to the attention of the anti JC crowd?:doh:

In other words any QB out performing JC has elite receivers, inc. McNabbs 1 season with TO, and 2 seasons with D.Jackson, 1 of which was his rookie year? I am surprised MS missed that? You would think he could have evaluated JC a little more fairly, and waited until he was able to get real receivers for JC, instead of looking over some film and dumping him?

Personally I think JC has already taken his last snap in the NFL, that's how bad I think he is!

[The Full Monty]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-redskins/09000d5d8176ed91/No-regrets

Baldinger unrepentant.

[TheMikeReed21]

Brian Baldinger's pinky finger really pisses me off....

[cyfar]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-redskins/09000d5d8176ed91/No-regrets

Baldinger unrepentant.

Baldinger sounds like a bitter fan. We'll see how well they do with Kolb in place.

[AllAboutTheU]

No Baldinger's right it was Freddie Mitchell that led the Eagles to all those NFC Ships

[Probos]

People actually take what Brian Ballicker says seriously?

He's probably the worst color commentator/analyst in the business.

[SonnySide]

People actually take what Brian Ballicker says seriously?

He's probably the worst color commentator/analyst in the business.
He's not the worst color guy, but he's the color guy with the worst name...I mean seriously, who goes around with a name like "Brian"....:drooley:

[Fat Stupid Loser]

overrated or not, he is an upgrade over any qb we have on the roster.

Look, it's one argument to say mcnabb can't and won't win a superbowl, however it is another thing entirely to say mcnabb sucks and can't help improve a team that hasn't smelt a nfc championship game in over twenty years.

In order for us to lose a superbowl, we at least have to get there, and mcnabb has led a team there.

I am not the biggest mcnabb fan. I think he has shown flaws in his game, but he is better then what we have and will improve this team.

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[BIGPHILLY]

One other thing I know is McNabb is the quintessential WCO QB in the last decade . I can see him being here to help the transition for a new rookie but I don't like the idea of using 2 picks out of 5 on QBs... though I have to say it would give the idea that Tebow may be headed here .

* I'll try to be objective here - but let me start by saying that McNabb has not been anywhere near the quintessential WCO QB in the last decade. Most Eagle fans would tell you that he's been a square peg in a round hole for a long time.

That said - he is downright lethal when given time. If you protect him and give him a running game to play off of - he can pick defenses apart. But let's be very clear - when the game is tight and you must make that 7 yard slant in perfect time or fit the ball into a tough spot down the field - he becomes a liability.

The WCO calls for timing and accuracy of which McNabb is quite average in both regards. Given time - he can make almost any throw - that's where he is truly great but it's rare when great defensive teams give an opposing tons of time. That's been the problem in Philly all along. When it matters most - and when they must make a play and the opposing defense tightens up - McNabb cannot make the critical throw on the money or on time.

I predict 3,400 yards - 25TD and a 10-6 season in DC with Donovan in yr 1. But they won't go far in the playoffs.

[Hiro]

I really, really don't understand how Baldinger believes that Reid is that GOOD of a coach that he could cover the weaknesses of a player for 11 years and still be a perennial contender without the league catching on after a few years of this.

McNabb was the deciding factor to that team being so good, despite having **** for receivers for so long, which changed in 2004 and in the past two seasons. Doesn't Baldinger think that Reid would have gotten rid of McNabb if he had to cover for him to that extent?

Moronic statement and truly disrespectful to one of the greatest players (and best QBs ever) in your team's history.

[dadirtbags]

never heard of this Brian Baldfinger fella...

[Probos]

So, you're telling me Andy Reid spent the past 11 year trying to cover up McNabb's flaws? It took him 11 years to figure out that McNabb is flawed??

If that's the case it speaks more to Reid's ineptness as a coach.

[addicted]

If you want to talk over rated QB's none came faster to my mind then that piece of garbage in NY, Mark Sanchez...that dude didn't win his team a single game last year, he threw 12 TD's all year and 20 INT's, and he played like crap in every single game but because his team went far into the paloffs people think the guys good. The JETS were good dispite Sanchez not because of him. Now that they were dumb and gave up on Thomas Jones they are going to be bad this year when they have to rely on that dude more. Anyway most over rated piece of garbage QB in the league today sure as hell isn't McNabb



I predict 3,400 yards - 25TD and a 10-6 season in DC with Donovan in yr 1. But they won't go far in the playoffs.

From a 4-12 season to a 10-6 season and playoffs? Hell ya man we can live with that for sure :)

[BIGPHILLY]

That's kind of where I am. It's win/win. McNabb will make the Skins better. But he won't carry you to a Super Bowl title.

Eagles fans want a title. We aren't stupid enough to think that Kolb will do that in 2010 but we want a new approach because the old one has shown it has fatal flaws.

It's a good move for Washington and Philly.

[theDCfan]

Yeah over rated. I mean hasn't had a real WR core ever and still took them to NFC Championships and even a Super Bowl, not mentioning the retarded coach he's had.

[thecardiacrll]

That's kind of where I am. It's win/win. McNabb will make the Skins better. But he won't carry you to a Super Bowl title.

Eagles fans want a title. We aren't stupid enough to think that Kolb will do that in 2010 but we want a new approach because the old one has shown it has fatal flaws.
It's a good move for Washington and Philly. He couldve carried the Eagles to the title but Andy Reid never got him a good enough running game. And the same thing will happen to Kolb. You cannot pass 90% of the time in this league. Relying on your Qb to pick up 3rd and short all game long is rediculous. And everyone hanging there hat on Kolbs 2 starts where he threw for over 300 yds. didnt he also throw 7 picks? in my opinion McNabb >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kolb and will always be. Eagles fans are so damn stubborn and there never happy.