WP RI - Jason Campbell intends to sign tender as his agent continues to seek trade partner

[HapHaszard]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/jason-campbell-intends-to-sign.html

With so much going on lately, I've been a little behind on checking my email. In trying to get caught up early Friday morning, I answered several questions about quarterback Jason Campbell's tender offer.

As of late Thursday night, Campbell had not yet signed the first-round tender he received from the Redskins, two people familiar with the situation said. He does plan to sign the one-year, $3.14-million contract, the sources said, and is expected to do so no later than Monday.

Campbell actually has until next Thursday (April 15) to sign the tender, which is the last day unrestricted free agents can sign offer sheets with other clubs. Coach Mike Shanahan granted permission for Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, to continue to seek trades that would benefit Campbell and the Redskins after the deadline to sign tenders, indicating he would be willing to move Campbell if Segal could find a better situation for him. And if, of course, the Redskins could get what they want in exchange for him.

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[Devastate]

I'm thinking Segal isn't having much luck.

[Soup]

i feel sorry for jason, he will probably end up here on the bench. I'm hoping Al Davis just losses it and sends a 2nd round pick for campell or a third.

[TheLongshot]

If a trade happens, I don't expect it to happen until draft day.

[mcgraw238]

The article points out that 4/15 is the last day for restricted free agents to sign an offer sheet with another club. Perhaps we will see some deals once this deadline has passed. Maybe B. Marshall.

[Forever21]

If a trade happens, I don't expect it to happen until draft day.

That's what I'm thinking. The Bills or Raiders realize they'd be better off taking a chance on Campbell then Clausen/McCoy/Tebow/Pike/etc/etc.

[wvtbred]

The article points out that 4/15 is the last day for restricted free agents to sign an offer sheet with another club. Perhaps we will see some deals once this deadline has passed. Maybe B. Marshall.

Exactly, it's in his best interest to sign and it opens the way to deal him.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

The expression "NO ****!" comes to mind.

It's his only option of a decent meal ticket for next year.

Segal would be absolute moron to not have him sign that.

Hail.

[Santana_89]

Some guy(didn't catch his name,he wasn't one of the usual members on the panel) on WPL yesterday metioned that it could be a sign that a trade is in the works,if JC signs his tender offer. We shall see.

[Buford]

I think Jason again has handled everything with class.

That said.....it would be better for the Skins if he signed the Tender and was here for at least training camp. If a team has an injury...then he's an attractive trade. If you can't get something of value for him....he's better than Rexy as a backup. Especially with this OL.....McNabb could still get dinged.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

If a trade happens, I don't expect it to happen until draft day.


its a rarity, but i agree with you. :cheers:

[jfr3ek]

lets hope the best for JC. I've always liked him. I really do hope he gets to play for a team that he wants to play for (Panthers).

[santana_4_prez]

If a trade happens, I don't expect it to happen until draft day.

Especially, say, if a team was hoping to get a certain QB (say McCoy) and he goes earlier than expected...

[Chris Worthy]

When Jason signs that tender a trade will be in the works. :)

[DMVSkins]

I'm thinking Segal isn't having much luck.

His agent isn't working hard enough for him

[Chicken Fried]

I think Jason again has handled everything with class.

That said.....it would be better for the Skins if he signed the Tender and was here for at least training camp. If a team has an injury...then he's an attractive trade. If you can't get something of value for him....he's better than Rexy as a backup. Especially with this OL.....McNabb could still get dinged.
True, but how often does a starting QB get injured during training camp. I think we lose leverage if the deal isn't done on or before draft day because teams in need of a QB will go on and draft one.

[Tay]

I'm thinking a trade will happen on Day 2 of the draft.

[Zguy28]

His agent isn't working hard enough for himExactly. He even spelled his name Jason Candle on his fathead.:ols:

[skinsdude]

His agent isn't working hard enough for him

Either that or really no one wants to sign him. I'll go with the latter.

[DCskinFAN]

Quick to complain about how he was treated by this organization..

Even quicker to sign new contract...

Been collecting checks for 5 years, pretty good for someone who hasnt won anything in this league. Honestly i wish i was in his position

[ktball74]

ESPN's Adam Schefter recently named Marshawn Lynch the player most likely to be traded, ahead of Brandon Marshall and Jason Campbell.
"They have a new coach, a new GM and any time there are new people in charge, they bring in their own players," said Schefter. "Marshawn Lynch could be traded on or before the draft." The new regime is less than impressed with Lynch's attitude, and it's looking more and more likely that he'll be replaced by a change-of-pace complement to Fred Jackson.


I would swap JC for Lynch. Lynch is a solid back and is still farely young with little mileage.

[Coolio47]

I would swap JC for Lynch. Lynch is a solid back and is still farely young with little mileage.
We already have Portis, Johnson, and Parker. Combine that with the fact that we are in desperate need of draft picks. No way that happens.

[youngestson]

Either that or really no one wants to sign him. I'll go with the latter.

Why give up a player or draft pick for a guy you can sign for free during training camp. Only Gibbs coughing up a pick for Mark Brunell, a player about to be released and whom nobody wanted, would fall for that.

[ktball74]

We already have Portis, Johnson, and Parker. Combine that with the fact that we are in desperate need of draft picks. No way that happens.

You wouldn't trade JC for a 23 year old stud 1000 yard + back that was a first round pick a few years back?

Portis, Parker and Johnson are old with a lot of wear and tear.

[Dblock804]

I was wondering how long it would take for JC to find a new team. Just wondering if this seems to be normal; or is this not good news for him?

[ntotoro]

ESPN's Adam Schefter recently named Marshawn Lynch the player most likely to be traded, ahead of Brandon Marshall and Jason Campbell.
"They have a new coach, a new GM and any time there are new people in charge, they bring in their own players," said Schefter. "Marshawn Lynch could be traded on or before the draft." The new regime is less than impressed with Lynch's attitude, and it's looking more and more likely that he'll be replaced by a change-of-pace complement to Fred Jackson.


I would swap JC for Lynch. Lynch is a solid back and is still farely young with little mileage.

Lynch will only go wherever he can run over Canadians, Kenny... ;)

[terrifNick21]

Alright TK, where is Campbell going?? :) If you can't tell us that, can you at least give us a time frame? And please no "between now and then." :silly:

[ktball74]

Lynch will only go wherever he can run over Canadians, Kenny... ;)

LOL

Nick,

He is a young stud rb that would be a superstar in Shanahans zone blocking cut back system. If I was Shanny and BA, I would be on the phone pressing the Bills for this trade to happen.

[DiscoBob]

If we don't get any decent offers, hang on to the guy and get a comp pick in 2012 when he signs somewhere else...

[terrifNick21]

If we don't get any decent offers, hang on to the guy and get a comp pick in 2012 when he signs somewhere else...

That pick wouldn't be any better than the offers we'd get now. If anything, it'd be a lower pick.

[TheLongshot]

Why give up a player or draft pick for a guy you can sign for free during training camp. Only Gibbs coughing up a pick for Mark Brunell, a player about to be released and whom nobody wanted, would fall for that.

First off, I doubt Campbell is going to get released. He's better than Sexy Rexy.

Second, as much as some want to believe that Brunell would have gotten released, that is very likely not true, considering he was the best available QB at the time. There were other teams interested in trading for him.

[mcgraw238]

Alright TK, where is Campbell going?? :) If you can't tell us that, can you at least give us a time frame? And please no "between now and then." :silly:

Isn't the bolded the very definition of a time frame? Not to mention, you must think TK is Mike Shanahan because that is the only guy that could give you the specificity that you seem to be seeking. This stuff this time of year changes minute by minute.

[Coolio47]

You wouldn't trade JC for a 23 year old stud 1000 yard + back that was a first round pick a few years back?

Not at this point in time. Maybe if one of our RB's gets cut/traded but for now we are more in need of draft picks imo.

[ntotoro]

LOL

Nick,

He is a young stud rb that would be a superstar in Shanahans zone blocking cut back system. If I was Shanny and BA, I would be on the phone pressing the Bills for this trade to happen.

Oh, no, I agree he could be good in this Offense, Kenny. I've seen him quite a bit when we go visit my in-laws and I watch the Bills. The fans aren't tiring of him up there like they did McGahee. Dude is UGLY, too, so maybe he could scare off opposing D's... ;)

[santana_4_prez]

Alright TK, where is Campbell going?? :) If you can't tell us that, can you at least give us a time frame? And please no "between now and then." :silly:

I've seen two hints from TK that JC is about to get traded...man, I'm kind of becoming a TK stalker... :ols:

[terrifNick21]

Isn't the bolded the very definition of a time frame? Not to mention, you must think TK is Mike Shanahan because that is the only guy that could give you the specificity that you seem to be seeking. This stuff this time of year changes minute by minute.

Yes, it is... Which is why I said "no between now than then." Lol. I should've said a specific date instead......... and :ols:

[mcgraw238]

Yes, it is... Which is why I said "no between now than then." Lol. I should've said a specific date instead......... and :ols:

Hey, I give you credit for trying to pin him down.

[wvtbred]

First off, I doubt Campbell is going to get released. He's better than Sexy Rexy.

JC will never step foot on the park's soil again.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

First off, I doubt Campbell is going to get released. He's better than Sexy Rexy.

Second, as much as some want to believe that Brunell would have gotten released, that is very likely not true, considering he was the best available QB at the time. There were other teams interested in trading for him.


hes clearly not better than grossman in the eyes of the front office because if he were, we'd offer him a small contract to remain on as a backup and cut grossman.

shanahan wants him out of here, thats pretty blatant at this point.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I've seen two hints from TK that JC is about to get traded...man, I'm kind of becoming a TK stalker... :ols:


could you post those two comments? interested to see what he said.

[SMOSS89]

I think Jason again has handled everything with class.

That said.....it would be better for the Skins if he signed the Tender and was here for at least training camp. If a team has an injury...then he's an attractive trade. If you can't get something of value for him....he's better than Rexy as a backup. Especially with this OL.....McNabb could still get dinged.

What'd you think of this trade btw Bu? This whole 'management change' thing was your idea, after all ;)

[santana_4_prez]

could you post those two comments? interested to see what he said.

I'll admit this first one is a stretch, but TK wouldn't bring this up for nothing, plus he usually gets fired up when people mention JC:


Kinda weird that no one is crying about the JC avatars being gone.

Follow this thread carefully, and you'll notice TK doesn't quote the whole quote when he responds with "Yes.":


Yes.

[bedlamVR]

hes clearly not better than grossman in the eyes of the front office because if he were, we'd offer him a small contract to remain on as a backup and cut grossman.

shanahan wants him out of here, thats pretty blatant at this point.

Maybe but I why not have Rex and Jason duke it out to be the back up . KS knows Rex but JC is a hard worker and learns systems quickly .

MS has talked on several occasions that he would welcome JC back as a back up ....

One thing I do not believe is that we will be going into the season with JC, RG, DM and CB . The one who has the most trade value right now is JC which is why he is being activly shopped around . RG and CB are question marks wether they will still be around come september also ...

[wvtbred]

Maybe but I why not have Rex and Jason duke it out to be the back up . KS knows Rex but JC is a hard worker and learns systems quickly .

MS has talked on several occasions that he would welcome JC back as a back up ....

One thing I do not believe is that we will be going into the season with JC, RG, DM and CB . The one who has the most trade value right now is JC which is why he is being activly shopped around . RG and CB are question marks wether they will still be around come september also ...

Obviously he doesn't or isn't on all counts because he is as good as gone.

[Passizle]

hes clearly not better than grossman in the eyes of the front office because if he were, we'd offer him a small contract to remain on as a backup and cut grossman.

shanahan wants him out of here, thats pretty blatant at this point.
You speculate way to often. We did offer him a small contract... it comes with the tender.
It could also easily be that JC wants out of DC. Wants a fresh start. It completley understandable. Perhaps Shanny understands this. Perhaps Shanny did want him as a backup, but JC wants to start. Who knows? Certainly not you. It could be a few different scenarios.
From your stand point though, its just as easy to cut him, "if" Shany wanted him out of here so bad. Your opinion here is that Shanny dislikes JC about as much as you... So please step down from the high horse of righteousness. Your disdain for JC clouds your thinking. You should be celebrating... not trying to further knock the guy.

[Morneblade]

I have a feeling things are going to be very ironic this season. Personally I hope we move JC and we can get something out of it, since we have basically nothing to work with now in the draft.

[Burgold]

Jason's doing the smart thing. At this point, it's better psychologically for him and the team if they got a trade done. Even if it's for lesser than fair value.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Maybe but I why not have Rex and Jason duke it out to be the back up . KS knows Rex but JC is a hard worker and learns systems quickly .

MS has talked on several occasions that he would welcome JC back as a back up ....

One thing I do not believe is that we will be going into the season with JC, RG, DM and CB . The one who has the most trade value right now is JC which is why he is being activly shopped around . RG and CB are question marks wether they will still be around come september also ...

so many have told how clearly much better campbell is than grossman, so there should be no "duking it out". its obvious that they want grossman as the backup and they want campbell out of here. if he was even part of the backup plan, he'd still be practicing with the team, yet hes remaining off the facility grounds and working out on his own. not the way a potential part of the team is handled.



You speculate way to often. We did offer him a small contract... it comes with the tender.
It could also easily be that JC wants out of DC. Wants a fresh start. It completley understandable. Perhaps Shanny understands this. Perhaps Shanny did want him as a backup, but JC wants to start. Who knows? Certainly not you. It could be a few different scenarios.
From your stand point though, its just as easy to cut him, "if" Shany wanted him out of here so bad. Your opinion here is that Shanny dislikes JC about as much as you... So please step down from the high horse of righteousness. Your disdain for JC clouds your thinking. You should be celebrating... not trying to further knock the guy.

shanny probably watched tape on campbell, didnt like what he saw, knew he couldnt win with him, and wanted mcnabb. this was probably figured out awhile ago, and they knew grossman knew the system and could be a solid backup with 0 learning curve, who kyle has history with and most likely prefers.

youre right, everything is speculation. but theres educated speculation and wild speculation. i dont think anything i said is completely out of left field, and if youre following our moves i think its pretty clear whats going on. again, campbell wouldnt be working out away from the team if he was even going to be a backup, theyd have him learning the playbook and still working with guys, which isnt happening.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

I have a feeling things are going to be very ironic this season. Personally I hope we move JC and we can get something out of it, since we have basically nothing to work with now in the draft.


we still have a 1st, and i still believe were going to recoup some picks come draft day. as of now we have 1, 4, 5, 7 (i think). itd be easy for us to recoup a 3rd, 4th, 5th for guys like campbell, carter, rogers, and thats not even counting the potential haynesworth scenarios which would net us a 2nd most likely.

and we could always trade down if somehow clausen is a hot commodity with a few teams.

[Taylor 36]

His agent isn't working hard enough for him
So, now were going from blaming the o-line and everyone else on the team and coaching staff, to blaming JC's agent because JC sucks so bad.:laugh:

[Taylor 36]

Maybe but I why not have Rex and Jason duke it out to be the back up . KS knows Rex but JC is a hard worker and learns systems quickly .

That was a joke, right? JC has NEVER picked up an NFL system quickly, and you apologists have used the excuse of him having to learn so many systems as one of the reasons why we need to give him at least three years to get it right.


MS has talked on several occasions that he would welcome JC back as a back up .... What do you expect him to say, "Yeah, we have no need or desire to keep Jason" ? Talk about throwing all trade leverage away. IT is in MS's best interest to talk up JC and make it seem as though we are going to keep him around. If we let other teams know we are going to cut him, they won't even consider offering their sixth or seventh round picks. They'll just scoop him up for nothing after we let him go.

[Voice_of_Reason]

So, question: What happens if he doesn't sign his tender offer? Does he become a free agent? If that's the case, why would you sign it? He's going to find a team somewhere, being an UFA gives him the ability to go anywhere he wants, and the other team doesn't have to trade.

Help me out here...

[santana_4_prez]

So, question: What happens if he doesn't sign his tender offer? Does he become a free agent? If that's the case, why would you sign it? He's going to find a team somewhere, being an UFA gives him the ability to go anywhere he wants, and the other team doesn't have to trade.

Help me out here...

Obviously that can't be true or else nobody would sign a tender.

[HailNatsSkinz]

So, now were going from blaming the o-line and everyone else on the team and coaching staff, to blaming JC's agent because JC sucks so bad.:laugh:

:ols: Was thinking the same thing. It was Gibbs' offense, then Al Saunders' offense, then Zorn, then the Oline, then the running game, then Shanahan not being classy, now it's his agent's fault no team has shown significant interest. Thank God this is about to be over.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

So, question: What happens if he doesn't sign his tender offer? Does he become a free agent? If that's the case, why would you sign it? He's going to find a team somewhere, being an UFA gives him the ability to go anywhere he wants, and the other team doesn't have to trade.

Help me out here...

As a FA in that circumstance, a team could only sign him by giving up the tender value we put on his (I believe a first and third). So, in short, if he doesn't sign, he doesn't play in 2010.

[Taylor 36]

As a FA in that circumstance, a team could only sign him by giving up the tender value we put on his (I believe a first and third). So, in short, if he doesn't sign, he doesn't play in 2010.
It was a first only.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

It was a first only.

I stand corrected. Even still, I think Campbell would be doing himself a disservice leaving that tender unsigned since I don't believe anyone would give up a first for him.

[wvtbred]

So, now were going from blaming the o-line and everyone else on the team and coaching staff, to blaming JC's agent because JC sucks so bad.:laugh:

It's always someone other then JC (including his commercial) nothing new there.

[Morneblade]

we still have a 1st, and i still believe were going to recoup some picks come draft day. as of now we have 1, 4, 5, 7 (i think). itd be easy for us to recoup a 3rd, 4th, 5th for guys like campbell, carter, rogers, and thats not even counting the potential haynesworth scenarios which would net us a 2nd most likely.

and we could always trade down if somehow clausen is a hot commodity with a few teams.

Funny how you change your tune on things so quickly. JC wasnt worth a ham sandwich but now you think we can get a 3rd for him? Whatever.

Go ahead an count draft picks we MIGHT be able to pick up, or not. I'll count them as being able to help us when we have them. I'd love to trade down as well, that has always been my first option. But it takes two to tango and I'm thinking that teams are looking to trade down more than trade up this year.

[Passizle]

It's always someone other then JC (including his commercial) nothing new there.
Definitley nothing new about the JC hater crew highjacking any and every thread about JC and turning into some bitchfest/insult gallery. You guys need hobbies other than JC.

[HailGreen28]

Definitley nothing new about the JC hater crew highjacking any and every thread about JC and turning into some bitchfest/insult gallery. You guys need hobbies other than JC.*Looks at title* Looks at posts above* The "haters", as you call them, aren't saying anything untrue, Passizle.

Still, thank god when these threads will be a thing of the past.

[wvtbred]

*Looks at title* Looks at posts above* The "haters", as you call them, aren't saying anything untrue, Passizle.

Still, thank god when these threads will be a thing of the past.

Really too bad the ignore feature doesn't work when a post is quoted. Pass obviously has an issue with a couple of us and should just ignore us as we do him.

As for the comment this is a JC thread as you mentioned so don't understand the the problem. I too can't wait until these threads go away which should hopefully be VERY soon.

:point2sky

[Fred Jones]

Really too bad the ignore feature doesn't work when a post is quoted. Pass obviously has an issue with a couple of us and should just ignore us as we do him.



Perhaps if you presented yourself in a better light, criticized less and understand life is not about putting people on ignore and moving on.

[ntotoro]

As for the comment this is a JC thread as you mentioned so don't understand the the problem. I too can't wait until these threads go away which should hopefully be VERY soon.

:point2sky

Until we start seeing people start threads in The Stadium with the title "Jason Campbell and Patrick Ramsey batting for #3 position in Detroit" or something like that... :ols:

[mnb123]

Campbell for Lynch?

The last thing we need is another slow RB

[HailGreen28]

Until we start seeing people start threads in The Stadium with the title "Jason Campbell and Patrick Ramsey batting for #3 position in Detroit" or something like that... :ols:Right, or McNabb/Shanahan/Haynesworth threads here in a couple, few seasons at most, etc. :silly:

[Jumbo]

*Looks at title* Looks at posts above* The "haters", as you call them, aren't saying anything untrue, Passizle.

Still, thank god when these threads will be a thing of the past.

You're right. Except they (either "side") will never really go away entirely. Look at how Ramsey exchanges still occur and draw real energy, often from the same posters saying the same things they already have said a million times, way in excess even back when it was really relevant, but will still trot it out today in true Pavlovian fashion. I'm not talking about folks other then the really obsessive/compulsive inclined. It truly is a message board mental condition. ;) :D

[skinsdude]

Hater. What a worn-out and inaccurate term. I guess that means that Shanahan is a hater because he doesn't want Jason as his starting quarterback. It also means that up to this point every team in the NFL is a hater because they don’t want to sign Jason.

[Jumbo]

I have long wished we could ban hater and homer from the board like we did all the variations of "jock-related" comments. Few things so quickly and so effectively lower the level of conversation than tossing those brain-dead terms around so easily.

[CallMeGreen]

It's a pretty good strategy to bring in a borderline backup like Grossman to be the number 2. It's not like he's a clear upgrade over Campbell, and if there are no offers for JC, or they are too insulting to accept, it's not unreasonable to think that this team could carry all their current QBs into the pre-season. Essentially we'd be keeping some other team's insurance policy on ice if one of their QBs goes down in pre-season.

Now at that point the compensation for JC becomes a 2011 pick, but I think they'd accept that if they couldn't get a 2010 pick.

Knowing the Skins COULD keep Campbell if they had to, should help keep away the something-for-nothing bargain hunters that might be waiting for Campbell to be cut.

[TheLongshot]

You're right. Except they (either "side") will never really go away entirely. Look at how Ramsey exchanges still occur and draw real energy, often from the same posters saying the same things they already have said a million times, way in excess even back when it was really relevant, but will still trot it out today in true Pavlovian fashion. I'm not talking about folks other then the really obsessive/compulsive inclined. It truly is a message board mental condition. ;) :D

Nah, AJ_Skins went away a long time ago, tho Oldfan did have that thread...


Knowing the Skins COULD keep Campbell if they had to, should help keep away the something-for-nothing bargain hunters that might be waiting for Campbell to be cut.

Another aspect to that is that Campbell getting cut would suddenly broaden the market and wouldn't guarantee you a shot at him. As I said before, I don't expect Campbell to be cut at any point. He will either play out the 2010 season or he will get traded to someone at some point.

[Taylor 36]

Perhaps if you presented yourself in a better light, criticized less and understand life is not about putting people on ignore and moving on. True, but that goes for both sides. I've never understand the thought of willingly signing up to be part of a message board where people share their thoughts, views, and opinions, and then putting multitudes of people on an ignore list. What's the point? Either be grown up enough to read the post and IGNORE it by not responding, or respond to it with a counter opinion or view.


I have long wished we could ban hater and homer from the board like we did all the variations of "jock-related" comments. Few things so quickly and so effectively lower the level of conversation than tossing those brain-dead terms around so easily. Though I have been guilty in the past of using such words, I totally agree. I have stayed away from using "homer" and "hater" because I've come to loathe the words. They seem like a cop-out to me.

[Passizle]

Really too bad the ignore feature doesn't work when a post is quoted. Pass obviously has an issue with a couple of us and should just ignore us as we do him.

As for the comment this is a JC thread as you mentioned so don't understand the the problem. I too can't wait until these threads go away which should hopefully be VERY soon.

:point2sky
Its really simple wvt. Have some self control when posting. I should not have to add you guys to "ignore". Ther has been some good debate though its few and far between.
You dont see me in every single JC thread shouting how he has been mistreated and is a great player or anything like that. I stick to the topics represented in the threads.
Unfortunatley, I see poster like yourself, BLC, and a few other "anti-campbellers" (I realize how stupid the "hater" moniker is.. I will no longer use it) in every single ****ing JC thread, spouting the same tag lines over and over. Just wear it as a sig... seriously.
You have your victory. JC is as good as gone, and we have upgraded the position. But to continue to degrade, and berate the guy in just about any thread that has the words JC, Campell, QB, Football, O-line, Redskins, Car commercial, etc... is terribly redundant and I can only speak for myself when saying I am thouroughly sick of "your sides" antics. Its tired, old and clutter up the threads with off topic BS.

[TotalRecall]

I don't really see any starter positions open for him. And I doubt any team will trade for a back-up QB when they can get one from the draft, if necessary. Some teams already have 3 or 4 QBs on the roster.

[terrifNick21]

I don't really see any starter positions open for him. And I doubt any team will trade for a back-up QB when they can get one from the draft, if necessary. Some teams already have 3 or 4 QBs on the roster.

Oakland
Buffalo
Jacksonville
Carolina possibly
St. Louis (despite likely drafting Bradford)
Seattle maybe? Hasselbeck's not getting any younger



EDIT: Scratch Seattle. Just remembered they traded for Whitehurst.

[Geoff_K]

He'd HAVE to be stupid to not sign for 3 Mill a year.

[Passizle]

I don't really see any starter positions open for him. And I doubt any team will trade for a back-up QB when they can get one from the draft, if necessary. Some teams already have 3 or 4 QBs on the roster.
Only possibilities IMO are Cardinals, Bills, Panthers, Browns, Jaguars, Cheifs, Raiders, 49'er, Rans and Titans. Oh... and though itss a longshot, what does Minny do if Favre finally retires?
I can see JC on any of those teams, with a good chance at starting on a few.

[DieselPwr44]

Thank the Lord that when Campbell is moved it's done by ShanAllen instead of having Cerrato still here, working the phones....


Vinny: Big Al?? Ummm, I mean Mr. Davis. What would you offer us for Campbell??

Al: Campbell who? Campbell Brown?? She's pretty. Why you getting rid of her? hubba hubba....

Vinny: No Mr. Davis. Jason Campbell. The kid from Auburn. Tall, big arm...

Al: Big arm? Sweet Jesus!! I'll give ya a 1st round pick!!

Vinny: You got a Dairy Queen there?

Al: Yeah.

Vinny: How bout a conditional 7th and a large Reece's Peanut Butter Cup Blizzard??

Al: A 7th is steep. How bout just a Blizzard?

Vinny: Deal....................................Sucker.

[TotalRecall]

Oakland
Buffalo
Jacksonville
Carolina possibly
St. Louis (despite likely drafting Bradford)
Seattle maybe? Hasselbeck's not getting any younger



EDIT: Scratch Seattle. Just remembered they traded for Whitehurst.

Oakland wanted McNabb. Oakland has 4 QBs on the roster (Frye, Gradkowski, Russell, Walter). I doubt they consider Campbell an upgrade.

Buffalo has Brohm, Edwards, Fitzpatrick. I bet they get a QB in the draft and let them fight for the starting position. Still no significant upgrade by getting Campbell.

Jacksonville has Garrard and McCown. Still no significant upgrade by getting Campbell.

Carolina has Moore and Cantwell. Both are young and inexperienced. I think Carolina is content with giving Moore the starting position, just like Philadelphia is with Kolb.

St Louis has Feeley, Null, and Reilly. St Louis will get a QB in the draft. It would be a surprise if not Bradford. Bradford is likely to start from day 1. Feeley is a 10 year backup. Null and Reilly are scrub 3rd stringers. St. Louis might trade a low-round pick to get Campbell for insurance.

Seattle has Hasselbeck, Teel, and Whitehurst. As you said, they already traded for Whitehurst.

Campbell's best bets are Carolina and St. Louis. But, he will not be a starter. And we will likely only get a 5th or a 6th round pick for him.

[TotalRecall]

Only possibilities IMO are Cardinals, Bills, Panthers, Browns, Jaguars, Cheifs, Raiders, 49'er, Rans and Titans. Oh... and though itss a longshot, what does Minny do if Favre finally retires?
I can see JC on any of those teams, with a good chance at starting on a few.


You're dreaming.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Until we start seeing people start threads in The Stadium with the title "Jason Campbell and Patrick Ramsey batting for #3 position in Detroit" or something like that... :ols:

Hey, Patrick is working out for the Saints to back up Brees. Do I smell comebacK? (brees goes down, Patrick REALLY shows them all how it's done!):ols:

[Passizle]

You're dreaming.
Why? I care less where JC lands. Though I do hope he lands on his feet.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Funny how you change your tune on things so quickly. JC wasnt worth a ham sandwich but now you think we can get a 3rd for him? Whatever.

Go ahead an count draft picks we MIGHT be able to pick up, or not. I'll count them as being able to help us when we have them. I'd love to trade down as well, that has always been my first option. But it takes two to tango and I'm thinking that teams are looking to trade down more than trade up this year.


just for clarification, JC was worth a 5th, i was merely saying that we could possibly get draft picks from those rounds for certain guys. for example i think carter is a 3-4 rounder.

our oline will be addressed, it just wont have 8 first rounders.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I thought even 5 watt light bulbs could figure out that even Shannahan doesn't want a divided locker room which would happen if JC sticks on the team.


:ols: Usually, divided locker rooms occur when there is a crisis of leadership, either a vacuum exists and various factions form around dominant producers/personalities (or coach/player factions) or there are two quality QB leaders who become the locus of coalitions.

Uh, there is no worry here with that. No one is going to take Jason's side. The only possible worry would be Campbell opening his mouth.

But hey, I guess I'm one of those five watt bulbs.

[TheLongshot]

Oakland wanted McNabb. Oakland has 4 QBs on the roster (Frye, Gradkowski, Russell, Walter). I doubt they consider Campbell an upgrade.

Buffalo has Brohm, Edwards, Fitzpatrick. I bet they get a QB in the draft and let them fight for the starting position. Still no significant upgrade by getting Campbell.

I think Campbell is an upgrade for both teams.


Jacksonville has Garrard and McCown. Still no significant upgrade by getting Campbell.

Garrard is 32 and the bloom is off of him. It would be an interesting competition between the two.


Campbell's best bets are Carolina and St. Louis. But, he will not be a starter. And we will likely only get a 5th or a 6th round pick for him.

Personally, I think Jacksonville would be the best place for him to go right now.

[ConnSKINS26]

Hmm so Comcast's RedskinsNation talking heads and Redskinsradio aka 980 were just blowing hot air??

Their job is to blow hot air. They very rarely know anything substantial, its sports talk radio for Christ's sake.

[TheLongshot]

I thought even 5 watt light bulbs could figure out that even Shannahan doesn't want a divided locker room which would happen if JC sticks on the team.

Not really. Campbell is stepping back until his situation is clarified, which it will be after the draft most likely. If he is still here by then, he'll settle into the competition for the backup role on this team. Campbell is a team player and will be a good soldier until his time is up.


Just like with Haynesworth the likelihood of getting fair market value, after the Redskins showing how desperate they are to get draft picks for him, isn't likely.

The team isn't desperate at all with either player and will likely keep them if they don't like the offers they are getting.


Heck I'd offer no more than a 4th rounder or just wait a month when the initial June cuts start.

Uh, you know that there is no salary cap right? No benefits for cutting a player in June. :doh:

[Taylor 36]

If we go 4 years with McNabb and no superbowl appearances would this period be considered a failure???Even if we don't go to the SB, but get to the playoffs three of those four years, it would not be a failure. We would have definitely moved up, seeing as JC can't even get us in contention for a playoff spot. As long as we are grooming our next starting QB while McNabb is winning us games and keeping us competitive, this could not be viewed as a failure.

[rk3025]

I think after his true value hits him that he comes back to work under McNabb and maybe rise to his replacement.

You're dreaming.

[wvtbred]

I think after his true value hits him that he comes back to work under McNabb and maybe rise to his replacement.

JC? No way and as I said before he will not step foot on the soil of the park again. He is mad, he is really upset. Between last year and now this he is done here, period.

[That Redskins Fan]

JC? No way and as I said before he will not step foot on the soil of the park again. He is mad, he is really upset. Between last year and now this he is done here, period.

I agree he is not coming back

[TotalRecall]

JC? No way and as I said before he will not step foot on the soil of the park again. He is mad, he is really upset. Between last year and now this he is done here, period.

He may not have a choice. No trade partner = no trade. I seriously doubt we will get anything more than a 6th rounder for him. He isn't an upgrade for many backups in the league. If truth be told, I bet Shanahan would rather have Grossman as our backup.

[Morneblade]

just for clarification, JC was worth a 5th, i was merely saying that we could possibly get draft picks from those rounds for certain guys. for example i think carter is a 3-4 rounder.

our oline will be addressed, it just wont have 8 first rounders.

No, it will have guys that are "depth" quality only. Like I said, you trying to fix a line with 3 picks we dont even have. 4th, 5th and 7th rounders if they make the team are usually "depth" quality players. That doesnt help the fact that we in effect desperately need 3 new starters and a 4th that really could use a upgrade. Moving tose 3 guys would be great, but I dont see it happening and I dont see a 3rd rounder for anyone at this point (although Campbell might get it).

[wvtbred]

He may not have a choice. No trade partner = no trade. I seriously doubt we will get anything more than a 6th rounder for him. He isn't an upgrade for many backups in the league. If truth be told, I bet Shanahan would rather have Grossman as our backup.

If it comes down to that I believe he will be cut on the way to 53.

[KokoMike]

Jason Campbell is worth about $3.1 million or so, because that is the figure we are going to get stuck with after we learn that nobody is interested. (again: see 2009)

Of course, he is going to sign the one year tender offer from the Skins. (At least it is not guaranteed, so we can cut him loose before the season, if nobody, and I mean nobody, is interested.

Maybe just maybe, Grossman will be named the # 2 QB and Campbell will compete with Colt Brennan for # 3.

We may continue to try and trade Campbell with no takers. if we can't find a taker, who would you keep at # 3, Campbell at dead weight malcontent crybaby $3.1 million or Brennan at $550K, with a total commitment to help the Skins win?

[HailNatsSkinz]

I am actually getting worried that we might not be able to trade him at all. I get the feeling Campbell might be even less respected around the league than I thought.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/little-movement-on-jason-campb.html

[SittingBull]

Reid acts as if a first round tender is worthless. Teams in need of QBs are just waiting until the draft or after to see if Campbell is worth any picks/players. Why waste a pick on Campbell when that pick could have netted you a rookie with potential that fell to you unexpectedly.

[mi6]

And, now we will FINALLY see what the true market value for Jason "soup" Campbell really is!

[Bootleg]

And, now we will FINALLY see what the true market value for Jason "soup" Campbell really is!

We already know Jason Campbell's market value due to last season when we tried to trade him in anticipation of Jay Cutler. The Browns didn't want him, and neither did the Bears, or Broncos.

Which brings up something interesting.

Would you rather have Donovan McNabb or Jay Cutler?

Would you rather have Donovan McNabb for a 2nd and 3rd, or Jay Cutler for a 1st and 3rd?

[terrifNick21]

I am actually getting worried that we might not be able to trade him at all. I get the feeling Campbell might be even less respected around the league than I thought.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/little-movement-on-jason-campb.html

Campbell will be gone.

[TheMan CC47]

His agent isn't working hard enough for him

His agent has clients that will still be in the league next offseason, and I'm sure that he is working hard on them. Nobody is interested in Campbell. His career is all but over.

Enjoy your last payday Campbell

[SkinsFTW]

JC just needs to hurry up and sign that ****. He should be happy to get 3Mil to watch games from the sidelines while making statements like "You know, I could do that better but, you know, I've had 15 different offensives to learn in 15 seasons, you know?"

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

His agent has clients that will still be in the league next offseason, and I'm sure that he is working hard on them. Nobody is interested in Campbell. His career is all but over.

Enjoy your last payday Campbell

You are nuts... Campbell would be an immediate upgrade to at least 3 or 4 different teams right now. To say his career is 'all but over' (at age 28) when his numbers have increased every year makes no sense to me.

[icbmayday]

3rd round pick from the raiders finger crossed lol

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

You are nuts... Campbell would be an immediate upgrade to at least 3 or 4 different teams right now. To say his career is 'all but over' (at age 28) when his numbers have increased every year makes no sense to me.

This always cracks me up, his numbers increase every year, I never get tired of hearing it.

JC is like a little fat kid running a marathon, he improves his time every year but still finishes last.

I think JC has thrown his last pass in the NFL, JC never belonged on the field in the NFL to begin with, and with every team showing absolutly no interest in him only solidifies that statement. Campbell now knows he has zero chance to start for the Skins, he would take any offer which gave him a chance to compete for the starters job, but it seems most teams don't even want to cut a minimal contract to give him a chance to win the starters job, because they know it's just a waste of money.

We don't even hear JC asking for his release? I wonder why that is?

[JustAfan47]

We don't even hear JC asking for his release? I wonder why that is?

Maybe he knows the skins won't do it cuz they at least want to see if they can get something for him...After the draft if he is still on the roster i bet they release him then...

[MrJL]

He may not have a choice. No trade partner = no trade. I seriously doubt we will get anything more than a 6th rounder for him. He isn't an upgrade for many backups in the league. If truth be told, I bet Shanahan would rather have Grossman as our backup.

Charlie WHitehurst got a third. Any time your anti-Campbell feelings pop up, just remind yourself Charlie Whitehurst got a third.

[wvtbred]

Charlie WHitehurst got a third. Any time your anti-Campbell feelings pop up, just remind yourself Charlie Whitehurst got a third.

and what will that mean when we get a 4th or 5th for JC?

[DieselPwr44]

Charlie WHitehurst got a third. Any time your anti-Campbell feelings pop up, just remind yourself Charlie Whitehurst got a third.

Whitehurst has no track record.

Jason's will do enough damage.

[MrJL]

Whitehurst has no track record.

Jason's will do enough damage.


there are guys with worse than a 20-32 record(percentage wise at least) that are still out there fighting for a job. I bet none of them went half a season witout an interception.

[MrJL]

and what will that mean when we get a 4th or 5th for JC?


well for one thing, unless we get something like a 4th AND a 5th I'd say it means Campbell stays as a backup.

[HailGreen28]

and what will that mean when we get a 4th or 5th for JC?I bet teams are holding out till we cut him. We have our starter in McNabb. Our vet backup who already knows the system in Grossman. And a prospect in Brennan. And maybe we'll still draft a QB high like Gibbs did when he brought in Brunnell and Candle.

I agree with you about 4th or 5th round pick at best if we can trade Candle.

[MrJL]

I bet teams are holding out till we cut him. We have our starter in McNabb. Our vet backup who already knows the system in Grossman. And a prospect in Brennan. And maybe we'll still draft a QB high like Gibbs did when he brought in Brunnell and Candle.

I agree with you about 4th or 5th round pick at best if we can trade Candle.

Don't expect Shanahan to be wedded to Brennan. Supposedly he wants to bring in a QB of his own to groom. He can do that next year, cut Brennan this year and just go with three vets, with Grossman sticking around as the guy who knows the system. A think a team waiting for Jason to be cut, at least this year, will be disappointed

[HailGreen28]

Don't expect Shanahan to be wedded to Brennan. Supposedly he wants to bring in a QB of his own to groom. He can do that next year, cut Brennan this year and just go with three vets, with Grossman sticking around as the guy who knows the system. A think a team waiting for Jason to be cut, at least this year, will be disappointedMaybe, but if Candle's still working out away from the team, I think the odds of him staying are low.

How can we get some kind of compensatory pick for him?

[Late Night Roach]

After the draft if he is still on the roster i bet they release him then...

I'm thinking that too...3 mil is 3 mil, lotsa dough for a benchwarmer

[Late Night Roach]

Don't expect Shanahan to be wedded to Brennan.

I'm guessing that he might be charmed by Brennan somewhat though, plus CB is chump change cheap money to keep around.

[RocketCitySkins]

Maybe, but if Candle's still working out away from the team, I think the odds of him staying are low.

How can we get some kind of compensatory pick for him?

He's only doing that for two more weeks unless he's signed by another team. If not, he's already said he would be back at Redskins Park ready to give 100%. If he is back, I'm thinking McNabb, JC and Grossman in competition for 2nd spot, drafted rookie or Brennan in the 3rd spot.

[Late Night Roach]

He's only doing that for two more weeks unless he's signed by another team. If not, he's already said he would be back at Redskins Park ready to give 100%. If he is back, I'm thinking McNabb, JC and Grossman in competition for 2nd spot, drafted rookie or Brennan in the 3rd spot.

Good analysis ~ highly possible.

[skinsince72]

Watching Mike and Bruce work almost gives me chills. We went from the worst stategically planning team in the NFL to the top 10. Mike has put it out there for everyone to know that he is more than comfortable with JC coming back as 2nd string. It's a good plan and it's a luxury that we have and can afford. I think Carolina is trying to wait it out. I would suspect that trade talks are going on as we speak and Schefter will break the story sometime next week.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Maybe he knows the skins won't do it cuz they at least want to see if they can get something for him...After the draft if he is still on the roster i bet they release him then...

Of coarse we would want to get something back for JC if possible, but I think it's more to do with the fact that there is no where for JC to go if we granted it, and he's probably not getting over 3 mil if there was.

Something tells me in the end he will be cut.

[JustAfan47]

Of coarse we would want to get something back for JC if possible, but I think it's more to do with the fact that there is no where for JC to go if we granted it, and he's probably not getting over 3 mil if there was.

Something tells me in the end he will be cut.


I sadly agree....

[MrJL]

Maybe, but if Candle's still working out away from the team, I think the odds of him staying are low.

How can we get some kind of compensatory pick for him?


you think wrong. He's signing his tender. Once he does that his options are play for the Skins or stay at home. He and McNabb get along well. Donovan would call him if nothing else and point out that him sitting at home would be hurting him.

[wvtbred]

well for one thing, unless we get something like a 4th AND a 5th I'd say it means Campbell stays as a backup.

Bet he doesn't. I see no way he steps back on park soil again.

[allannis]

Maybe he could play in Canada or the indoor league.

[Leonard Washington]

JC would be a fool not to take the tender. He should also fire his agent.

[angel2]

I sadly agree....




I have been saying this for awhile now and still think it has legs. It comes down to who amongst the backups will pick up the schemes and able to execute the schemes.

The open competition is for back up at this point. I don't know if Jason Campbell is pipe dreaming or not, stating that he wants to start elsewhere. He will have to learn a new offense again. Can he and flourish, is the question.


Mods, please delete this double post, thanks.

[angel2]

I sadly agree....




I have been saying this for awhile now and still think it has legs. It comes down to who amongst the backups will pick up the schemes and able to execute the schemes.

The open competition is for back up at this point. I don't know if Jason Campbell is pipe dreaming or not, stating that he wants to start elsewhere. He will have to learn a new offense again. Can he and flourish, is the question. I think he is the odd man out.

[Mooka]

Maybe the don't draft a QB in the first round crowd is on to something.

Ramsey, late first rounder, traded for a 6th round pick.
Campbell, late first rounder that we traded into, probably going to be either traded for a mid-round pick or used to move up a little in the draft.

Spurrier even tried to trade Ramsey directly after we drafted him to Chicago.


I have been saying this for awhile now and still think it has legs. It comes down to who amongst the backups will pick up the schemes and able to execute the schemes.

The open competition is for back up at this point. I don't know if Jason Campbell is pipe dreaming or not, stating that he wants to start elsewhere. He will have to learn a new offense again. Can he and flourish, is the question. I think he is the odd man out. Depending on the timeline, I believe we signed Rex while the trade talks for McNabb were on-going. At that point I don't know if it was a 3 team deal with St Louis for the #1 pick though.

I don't think Shanahan envisioned Jason here at all, but of course would take him to compete for the backup spot.

For Campbell, sitting on the bench for a season then entering FA is the absolute last thing he would want to do. Pretty much guarantees he'll lose money in 2011.

[Passizle]

If it comes down to that I believe he will be cut on the way to 53.
So you seriously think that the former starter would get cut before Brennan? Most teams keep 3 QB's on the roster. Even if JC did not beat out Grossman (highly unlikley), he would definitley beat out Brennan.

[Passizle]

Bet he doesn't. I see no way he steps back on park soil again.
Well, its a good thing you have been wrong on about 90% of your previous predictions.

[GenMgr]

So you seriously think that the former starter would get cut before Brennan? Most teams keep 3 QB's on the roster. Even if JC did not beat out Grossman (highly unlikley), he would definitley beat out Brennan.


What about a drafted QB?

[Forever21]

So you seriously think that the former starter would get cut before Brennan? Most teams keep 3 QB's on the roster. Even if JC did not beat out Grossman (highly unlikley), he would definitley beat out Brennan.

Can you imagine if JC went from starter last year to 3rd string next year?

I am humoured by the Colt fans who honestly think if JC isn't traded or cut that Colt has a chance of being on our roster next year.

[onnie007]

Classy individual. I hope he stays and plays a year under McNabb. I think that people forget that McNabb is very injury prone and it would be nice to know that Campbell is our backup. Grossman playing just scares the crap out of me.

[angel2]

Maybe the don't draft a QB in the first round crowd is on to something.

Ramsey, late first rounder, traded for a 6th round pick.
Campbell, late first rounder that we traded into, probably going to be either traded for a mid-round pick or used to move up a little in the draft.

Spurrier even tried to trade Ramsey directly after we drafted him to Chicago.

Depending on the timeline, I believe we signed Rex while the trade talks for McNabb were on-going. At that point I don't know if it was a 3 team deal with St Louis for the #1 pick though.

I don't think Shanahan envisioned Jason here at all, but of course would take him to compete for the backup spot.

For Campbell, sitting on the bench for a season then entering FA is the absolute last thing he would want to do. Pretty much guarantees he'll lose money in 2011.



If he can't execute this new offense as good as everyone else, then he should not be allowed to be a back up. If he can't cut it, we need to find out before we ordain him as the back up like we did when we made him a starter.

To conclude that we were involved in a three team deal is a stretch. Kyle probably was deeply involved watching footage of Jason's handling of the offense last season and began to panic; picked up the phone and called Rex Grossman and said help. Then he proceeded to talk to his dad, Mike, and said this won't work with Jason. We need a back up plan. Mike talked to Bruce and you know the rest.

If you are going to be a back up, you have got to know the play book because you never know when you have to step in and play out the immediate game, not to mention the rest of the schedule.

When Mike and Jason had lunch to discuss Campbell's situation, Jason finally saw the hand writing on the wall and realized that the hangman's rope was about to be put around his neck.

How ever this shakes out will be best for this team.

[Mooka]

To conclude that we were involved in a three team deal is a stretch. Errrr, I didn't conclude anything. ;)

We have no idea what the trade talks were like a month ago. I guarantee we didn't initially want to give up any first day draft picks.


We need a back up plan. Mike talked to Bruce and you know the rest. Not sure when we started the trade talks with Philly, but if we signed Grossman after making a move for McNabb then obviously they didn't envision Campbell in the picture at all.

[angel2]

Errrr, I didn't conclude anything. ;)

We have no idea what the trade talks were like a month ago. I guarantee we didn't initially want to give up any first day draft picks.

Not sure when we started the trade talks with Philly, but if we signed Grossman after making a move for McNabb then obviously they didn't envision Campbell in the picture at all.



You do what you have to do in order to get someone in here who is top banana. I would say that the Grossman signing was the tell tale sign that they were not that thrill with Campbell and wanted to pursue a trade with Philly. That's why they got involve with the trade and had to deal a higher pick for McNabb. Philly had them over a barrel.

The trade talks and Grossman happen about the same time. Think about it.

[Mooka]

You do what you have to do in order to get someone in here who is top banana. I would say that the Grossman signing was the tell tale sign that they were not that thrill with Campbell and wanted to pursue a trade with Philly. That's why they got involve with the trade and had to deal a higher pick for McNabb. Philly had them over a barrel.

The trade talks and Grossman happen about the same time. Think about it. Hmm. I think we're both saying the same thing. That was my point about signing Grossman.

Unless it was pure speculation I thought originally we were offering Haynesworth in the McNabb deal and it was a possible multiple team trade.

[illone]

Eventually some team will cough up a 5th or 6th rounder for him once a starter gets injured in training camp or something crazy happens.

[SkinsFTW]

Eventually some team will cough up a 5th or 6th rounder for him once a starter gets injured in training camp or something crazy happens.

Kinda funny though, didnt a team give a 2nd or 3rd for a NOBODY qb a month ago? I've been hearing for years that JC is a top 15 QB, why can't we get anything for him?

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Kinda funny though, didnt a team give a 2nd or 3rd for a NOBODY qb a month ago? I've been hearing for years that JC is a top 15 QB, why can't we get anything for him?

Perhaps they haven't seen his stats, we should get the CDT on this one and have them fax his stats to the rest of the league, marketing is everything you know!:D

[The Full Monty]

Kinda funny though, didnt a team give a 2nd or 3rd for a NOBODY qb a month ago? I've been hearing for years that JC is a top 15 QB, why can't we get anything for him?
Campbell apologists have no explanation for this.

No explanation for the fact that Jason Campbell and his great stats who would play much better if only he had a great o-line and 10 seconds of protection has generated only minimal trade interest.

Arizona won't even bring this guy in to push Matt Leinart, Buffalo is probably only throwing a 5th or a 6th our way if there are any discussions at all, and Oakland may be willing to let Russell or Gradkowski start rather than bring Campbell in to push for a job.

Pathetic.

[bedlamVR]

How about this as an explanation .. we are less thatwo weeks from the draft and teams will now wait and see how that pans out ... Teams will have grades on specific players and potential RFAs ....

[HailGreen28]

Comedy gold, right here


Really too bad the ignore feature doesn't work when a post is quoted. Pass obviously has an issue with a couple of us and should just ignore us as we do him.

As for the comment this is a JC thread as you mentioned so don't understand the the problem. I too can't wait until these threads go away which should hopefully be VERY soon.

:point2sky

Passizle replying to wvt later same thread

Its really simple wvt. Have some self control when posting. <snip>You dont see me in every single JC thread shouting how he has been mistreated and is a great player or anything like that. I stick to the topics represented in the threads.
So you seriously think that the former starter would get cut before Brennan? Most teams keep 3 QB's on the roster. Even if JC did not beat out Grossman (highly unlikley), he would definitley beat out Brennan.
Well, its a good thing you have been wrong on about 90% of your previous predictions.

Have "self-control" indeed, LOL.

Passizle: #1 She's owned you in the debates. #2 Why don't you follow your own advice "self-control" and about staying on topic, especially the third post of yours I quoted? #3 She's probably got you on ignore after seeing you debate about as well as a brick wall, so why even post that stuff when she won't see it unless you're just trying to backstab and posture to make yourself look bett..... oh, nevermind that's what you are doing.

Look, being a fanatic of anybody in B&G is cool. But not for a guy that the team would've been better off without since 2007. Why not think of the team?

[angel2]

Hmm. I think we're both saying the same thing. That was my point about signing Grossman.

Unless it was pure speculation I thought originally we were offering Haynesworth in the McNabb deal and it was a possible multiple team trade.



Now that you say we are on the same page, lets speculate on Jason Campbell's future.

Coach Shanahan is saying all the right things regarding Campbell's serviceability for the Skins because he really does not know what Jason's agent has in store for his client. Mike is in the dark. I think Campbell is upset with the Skins and wants out at any cost and expressed that to Shanahan.

I can't wait to see how this thing unfolds. McNabb is really an intelligent guy who is all about taking care of business. Donovan has to be forming at the mouth knowing that the Skins have some decent WRs who are capable of making big plays.

[MrJL]

Look, being a fanatic of anybody in B&G is cool. But not for a guy that the team would've been better off without since 2007. Why not think of the team?

the team wouldn't have been better off without Campbell.

[MrJL]

Now that you say we are on the same page, lets speculate on Jason Campbell's future.

Coach Shanahan is saying all the right things regarding Campbell's serviceability for the Skins because he really does not know what Jason's agent has in store for his client. Mike is in the dark. I think Campbell is upset with the Skins and wants out at any cost and expressed that to Shanahan.

I can't wait to see how this thing unfolds. McNabb is really an intelligent guy who is all about taking care of business. Donovan has to be forming at the mouth knowing that the Skins have some decent WRs who are capable of making big plays.


I think it's extremely foolish to think you're that deep inside a strangers head.

[MrJL]

Kinda funny though, didnt a team give a 2nd or 3rd for a NOBODY qb a month ago? I've been hearing for years that JC is a top 15 QB, why can't we get anything for him?


exactly my thoughts. Campbell will be off the market by training camp. Hell, Rich Tandler has a blog today where he says Campbell will be traded by the fourth round. I think he'll be off the market by then, too. The Skins main concern will be getting back into the second or third rounds.

[HailGreen28]

the team wouldn't have been better off without Campbell.We were in 2007. Undeniably.

Two ways, IMO, to look at 2008-2009. #1. Collins outplayed Candle most of the games they both played in, so we'd have been better off with Collins.
#2. No way in hell, old Collins is the answer (nevermind looks like Candle is also gone this same offseason). Fine, if Collins wasn't the short term answer, what does that say about Candle? Shouldn't we have tried somebody else?

[angel2]

I think it's extremely foolish to think you're that deep inside a strangers head.



Whatever, but its pure speculation. I am having anxieties contemplating what might happen next week. These are indeed interesting times we are living in.

[MrJL]

We were in 2007. Undeniably.

Two ways, IMO, to look at 2008-2009. #1. Collins outplayed Candle most of the games they both played in, so we'd have been better off with Collins.
#2. No way in hell, old Collins is the answer (nevermind looks like Candle is also gone this same offseason). Fine, if Collins wasn't the short term answer, what does that say about Candle? Shouldn't we have tried somebody else?

4 games. Including one that was freakishly windy. A quarter of the season. With half a season under Zorn where we were 6-2, one freak play from 7-1 and people still weren't happy with Campbell.

Collins was a goddamn 12 to 13 year vet, who'd never won a starting job in the pros. He was NOT good enough.

Collins not being the answer doesn't say a damn thing about Campbell, because Collins was backing up Campbell.

[Mahons21]

4 games. Including one that was freakishly windy. A quarter of the season. With half a season under Zorn where we were 6-2, one freak play from 7-1 and people still weren't happy with Campbell.
-That freakishly windy game should hurt Collins, not help him if your judging him by his statistics. People weren't upset with Campbell at that point but he certainly wasn't lighting the place up, he was riding the coattails of an MVP like season of a RB (first 8 games).


Collins was a goddamn 12 to 13 year vet, who'd never won a starting job in the pros. He was NOT good enough.
-Yet he out played Campbell.


Collins not being the answer doesn't say a damn thing about Campbell, because Collins was backing up Campbell.

-If someone who is clearly not the answer can out perform your starter, something is very wrong.

[MrJL]

-That freakishly windy game should hurt Collins, not help him if your judging him by his statistics. People weren't upset with Campbell at that point but he certainly wasn't lighting the place up, he was riding the coattails of an MVP like season of a RB (first 8 games).


-Yet he out played Campbell.



-If someone who is clearly not the answer can out perform your starter, something is very wrong.


Actually I'm not going by stats, I'm just saying the freakishly windy game would have hurt the other team, too. Making it impossible to judge who would have won it under normal circumstances.

He out performed him for four games at best.

Obviously not enough to earn him the starting job.

Back ups sometimes get lucky. If they deserved a starting job, they'd earn one.

[Mickalino]

i feel sorry for jason, he will probably end up here on the bench. I'm hoping Al Davis just losses it and sends a 2nd round pick for campell or a third.

Even Al Davis is not that dumb

[LadySkinsFan]

Actually I'm not going by stats, I'm just saying the freakishly windy game would have hurt the other team, too. Making it impossible to judge who would have won it under normal circumstances.

He out performed him for four games at best.

Obviously not enough to earn him the starting job.

Back ups sometimes get lucky. If they deserved a starting job, they'd earn one.

JC was out hurt. JC was the annointed starter by Gibbs and Zorn. There was NO competition for the starting job, so TC didn't have a prayer of getting the starting job unless JC was hurt. You do remember all this, right?

[LadySkinsFan]

Seattle signed Charley Whitehurst to a multi-year contract and he hasn't played a down in a regular season game, kinda like CB15. Why would they take him when they could have had JC who started over 50 games, was an annointed starting QB?

That and the fact that no one has traded for him yet tells me what all the rest of the NFL think of JC.

[MrJL]

JC was out hurt. JC was the annointed starter by Gibbs and Zorn. There was NO competition for the starting job, so TC didn't have a prayer of getting the starting job unless JC was hurt. You do remember all this, right?


If he was as bad in games as you think and had been sucking it up at practice then there would have been competition. He's been pulled in one game.

People change things when they aren't working.

[wvtbred]

-That freakishly windy game should hurt Collins, not help him if your judging him by his statistics. People weren't upset with Campbell at that point but he certainly wasn't lighting the place up, he was riding the coattails of an MVP like season of a RB (first 8 games).


-Yet he out played Campbell.



-If someone who is clearly not the answer can out perform your starter, something is very wrong.

That game in the Meadowlands winds were 30+ and Todd statistically out played Eli I believe. Might be wrong but that was a nasty game for qb's and kickers.

[wvtbred]

JC was out hurt. JC was the annointed starter by Gibbs and Zorn. There was NO competition for the starting job, so TC didn't have a prayer of getting the starting job unless JC was hurt. You do remember all this, right?

This is when my buying Skins merchandise boycott started (beginning of 2008). If Gregg had the job instead of Zorn there would have at least been a competition.

[LadySkinsFan]

This is when my buying Skins merchandise boycott started (beginning of 2008). If Gregg had the job instead of Zorn there would have at least been a competition.

I remember that I bought from NFL.com the 3 Redskins Superbowl games. I figured that if I watched them, at least I would watch the Redskins win games, and not in the 2009 season.

What's really funny is that I got THE INVITATION to buy season tickets, Club level no less, for this season. I wonder what happened to the vaunted "list"? My mom had tickets from 1963 through 1997 seasons. When she died, we sibs decided to turn them in because no one wanted to go to FedEx field. We all loved RFK. I still uncover Redskins stuff every once in a while from my mom, who was a great fan.

With the new GM, coaching staff and team members, I am looking forward to this season for the first time in years.

HTTR!

[wvtbred]

I remember that I bought from NFL.com the 3 Redskins Superbowl games. I figured that if I watched them, at least I would watch the Redskins win games, and not in the 2009 season.

What's really funny is that I got THE INVITATION to buy season tickets, Club level no less, for this season. I wonder what happened to the vaunted "list"? My mom had tickets from 1963 through 1997 seasons. When she died, we sibs decided to turn them in because no one wanted to go to FedEx field. We all loved RFK. I still uncover Redskins stuff every once in a while from my mom, who was a great fan.

With the new GM, coaching staff and team members, I am looking forward to this season for the first time in years.

HTTR!

You and me both because I am now buying Redskins merchandise again :)

[LadySkinsFan]

I think I need a CB15 jersey! It will go good with my 42 Rivera NYY jersey!

[Taylor 36]

If he was as bad in games as you think and had been sucking it up at practice then there would have been competition. He's been pulled in one game.

People change things when they aren't working.

I guess you forgot the part where they changed EVERYTHING but the QB because it wasn't working. Everyone who was brought in to replace Gibbs was on the same page Gibbs was on when he walked out: There would be an open competition at QB. One of the reasons why GW didn't get the job reportedly was because he wanted to replace JC with Collins as did Saunders.

Now, after all that change, most of it being to benefit our QB, we are going under a complete transformation again, and it has only been two years. Only this time, we have real football people in charge, and, guess what? The QB is one one of the biggest changes they set out to make this off season.

So, JC wasn't working. People made the change. Any other questions?

[MrJL]

I guess you forgot the part where they changed EVERYTHING but the QB because it wasn't working. Everyone who was brought in to replace Gibbs was on the same page Gibbs was on when he walked out: There would be an open competition at QB. One of the reasons why GW didn't get the job reportedly was because he wanted to replace JC with Collins as did Saunders.

Now, after all that change, most of it being to benefit our QB, we are going under a complete transformation again, and it has only been two years. Only this time, we have real football people in charge, and, guess what? The QB is one one of the biggest changes they set out to make this off season.

So, JC wasn't working. People made the change. Any other questions?

except they tried to change the QB in the past. This season is actually something different, with Campbell as number 2, instead of Campbell would either be starting or off the roster.

[LadySkinsFan]

except they tried to change the QB in the past. This season is actually something different, with Campbell as number 2, instead of Campbell would either be starting or off the roster.

Until JC signs his tender, he IS OFF the roster. Signed QBs are DM, RG, CB, and Bartel. JC will not be on the 53 man team in September, that is my prediction. Neither will Bartel. Our QB squad will be DM, CB, and RG.

[Taylor 36]

except they tried to change the QB in the past. This season is actually something different, with Campbell as number 2, instead of Campbell would either be starting or off the roster.
They only tried to bring in a new QB last offseason. That is the only time, and , since they failed, Zorn had to stick with his pet project until the end.

[MrJL]

Until JC signs his tender, he IS OFF the roster. Signed QBs are DM, RG, CB, and Bartel. JC will not be on the 53 man team in September, that is my prediction. Neither will Bartel. Our QB squad will be DM, CB, and RG.

This time around though Shanahan has made it very clear Campbell will be welcomed back, unless someone ponies something up. We don't necessarily want him gone.

[Taylor 36]

This time around though Shanahan has made it very clear Campbell will be welcomed back, unless someone ponies something up. We don't necessarily want him gone.
Come on, man. You think Shanny is going to come out and say we're going to cut JC if we don't get any offers? If he says that, we won't get any offers because teams will wait until we do cut him so they don't have to give us any picks. There is nothing else Shanny could say publicly if he is trying to get even a ham sandwhich for the guy.

[angel2]

If he was as bad in games as you think and had been sucking it up at practice then there would have been competition. He's been pulled in one game.

People change things when they aren't working.



Campbell is the best practicing QB in the league. However, when its time to play the game he is MIA. Go figure.

[angel2]

This time around though Shanahan has made it very clear Campbell will be welcomed back, unless someone ponies something up. We don't necessarily want him gone.



Well, someone has to get off the proverbial pot no matter what Shanahan is saying in public. There are too many QBs in the stable. Campbell's future is on the verge of extinction and he knows it. Can he learn another offensive system and be competent to execute it if need be - I have my doubts, but we shall find out.

[RocketCitySkins]

Until JC signs his tender, he IS OFF the roster. Signed QBs are DM, RG, CB, and Bartel. JC will not be on the 53 man team in September, that is my prediction. Neither will Bartel. Our QB squad will be DM, CB, and RG.

If he is OFF the roster then why is his name listed under active Team/Roster? :silly:

He has until April 15th by NFL rule to sign the tender and MS extended the date until April 22nd. Like it or not, as of right now he is still a part of the team. If he doesn't sign the tender by the 22nd, then yes, he is OFF the team.

[HawaiianTime]

I remember that I bought from NFL.com the 3 Redskins Superbowl games. I figured that if I watched them, at least I would watch the Redskins win games, and not in the 2009 season.

What's really funny is that I got THE INVITATION to buy season tickets, Club level no less, for this season. I wonder what happened to the vaunted "list"? My mom had tickets from 1963 through 1997 seasons. When she died, we sibs decided to turn them in because no one wanted to go to FedEx field. We all loved RFK. I still uncover Redskins stuff every once in a while from my mom, who was a great fan.

With the new GM, coaching staff and team members, I am looking forward to this season for the first time in years.

HTTR!

I like you LadySkinsFan. The skins have been part of your entire life and you aren't blinded from knowing Good Football. Which is what we want back in the stadium and the leader of the game to be our Skins. Must have been tough to give up the season tickets? Let's look forward to another Dynasty starting and the tickets being sold out once more. Hail to long time fans, the Faithful.

HTTR

[LadySkinsFan]

I like you LadySkinsFan. The skins have been part of your entire life and you aren't blinded from knowing Good Football. Which is what we want back in the stadium and the leader of the game to be our Skins. Must have been tough to give up the season tickets? Let's look forward to another Dynasty starting and the tickets being sold out once more. Hail to long time fans, the Faithful.

HTTR

Giving up the tickets was bittersweet, I must admit. I moved to Miami (and yes, I follow the 'Fins) when my mom passed in 1997. She did get to one game in the '97 season. Then I decided to move back to DC.

I participate in the Cult of Colt with the rest of the Hawaii group, as Maui is my most favorite place to be. I hope to move there sometime, but this recession isn't helping much.

Aloha!

[Passizle]

Comedy gold, right here



Passizle replying to wvt later same thread


Have "self-control" indeed, LOL.

Passizle: #1 She's owned you in the debates. #2 Why don't you follow your own advice "self-control" and about staying on topic, especially the third post of yours I quoted? #3 She's probably got you on ignore after seeing you debate about as well as a brick wall, so why even post that stuff when she won't see it unless you're just trying to backstab and posture to make yourself look bett..... oh, nevermind that's what you are doing.

Look, being a fanatic of anybody in B&G is cool. But not for a guy that the team would've been better off without since 2007. Why not think of the team?
1. Dont call me out in thread that has nothing to do with you.
2. WVT has never "owned" anybody in any debates. Most of the time, She posts in a hit and run fashion, usually making promises about the future or "piling on" about JC. I did not know we were in a competition here. How old are you?
3. How am I posturing? Do I have access to her ignore list? Sorry fella, but when you add a person to ignore, the system does not notify the ignored person. If they put me on that, then so be it.
4. Your analogies are juvenial, and not on topic. If you would like to discuss the topic, have at it. If not, shut your trap... or heres a novel idea. Dont respond to my post. It was not directed at you in the first place.
5. Self control here about not bashing a Redskin with lies and fabrication in any and every thread even remotley mentioning the word "quarterback".

[icbmayday]

I wonder what JC's value is

[wvtbred]

If he is OFF the roster then why is his name listed under active Team/Roster? :silly:

He has until April 15th by NFL rule to sign the tender and MS extended the date until April 22nd. Like it or not, as of right now he is still a part of the team. If he doesn't sign the tender by the 22nd, then yes, he is OFF the team.

The team has his rights but he is not a signed player. I also think it's pretty obvious he won't be in a Skins uni again.

[RocketCitySkins]

The team has his rights but he is not a signed player. I also think it's pretty obvious he won't be in a Skins uni again.


Only because he doesn't have to be a signed player to be on the team until April 15th.

I think it's obvious that you are immersed in your own fantasy world and totally oblivious to the facts.

1. JC has said he plans to sign his tender this week. Maybe as early as today.

2. JC has said if he doesn't sign an offer with another team he will be back
at Redskins Park at training camp giving 100%.

3. Shannahan has said he has no plans to cut JC.

4. Shannahan has said he would prefer to have Campbell on the roster as a backup for new starter Donovan McNabb, reiterating the team has no interest in releasing Campbell. Although, I do think this will be a competition with Grossman.

5. JC could be gone in a trade deal on draft day, but that would still mean he was a signed part of the team.

As much as I want JC to get a fresh start with another team, it would almost be worth it to sell you a barf bag if JC stays as a back-up, McNabb goes out with an injury and JC is again the starting quarterback. ;)

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Only because he doesn't have to be a signed player to be on the team until April 15th.

I think it's obvious that you are immersed in your own fantasy world and totally oblivious to the facts.

1. JC has said he plans to sign his tender this week. Maybe as early as today.

2. JC has said if he doesn't sign an offer with another team he will be back
at Redskins Park giving 100%.

3. Shannahan has said he has no plans to cut JC.

4. Shannahan has said he would prefer to have Campbell on the roster as a backup for new starter Donovan McNabb, reiterating the team has no interest in releasing Campbell. Although, I do think this will be a competition with Grossman.

5. JC could be gone in a trade deal on draft day, but that would still mean he was a signed part of the team.

As much as I want JC to get a fresh start with another team, it would almost be worth it to sell you a barf bag if JC stays as a back-up, McNabb goes out with an injury and JC is again the starting quarterback. ;)

Is it that you like losing????????????

How much more futility does one have to witness before he says enough?

JC is the 4th best QB on the team if he is to be retained. I also expect Colt to come out of the gate firing on all cylinders to push everyone.

[MrJL]

Is it that you like losing????????????

How much more futility does one have to witness before he says enough?

JC is the 4th best QB on the team if he is to be retained. I also expect Colt to come out of the gate firing on all cylinders to push everyone.


Brennan'll be gone before final cuts.

The guy you saw last year, not the year before is the real Brennan. Not good enough against real NFL players, just against the scrubs

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Brennan'll be gone before final cuts.

The guy you saw last year, not the year before is the real Brennan. Not good enough against real NFL players, just against the scrubs

Really? Keep that thought, and by the way who are the 3 Qb's beating him out of a job with the Skins? I hope your not throwing Campbell back into the mix?

Here is what I think will happen, the second Colt gets some time with the starters he will out play every QB on the team INC. DM, not that he will win the starters job, but he will be 1 injury away from starting, he's to quick with his decision making, and to accurate not to shine in Shannys offense.

[HailGreen28]

4 games. Including one that was freakishly windy. A quarter of the season. With half a season under Zorn where we were 6-2, one freak play from 7-1 and people still weren't happy with Campbell.

Collins was a goddamn 12 to 13 year vet, who'd never won a starting job in the pros. He was NOT good enough.

Collins not being the answer doesn't say a damn thing about Campbell, because Collins was backing up Campbell.So now the latest "Campbell Rapid Response Team"'s excuse for 2007 is that "it was the wind". LOL

If as another poster said, Collins outplayed Eli that game, doesn't that speak well of Collins?

I think you're just missing my point about Collins. I agree there's a reason Collins rode the bench for about a decade. What you're not considering is the consequences of the fact that Collins clearly outplayed Candle. That means JC is even worse than TC is. (In fact, wanna bet whether Candle will last as long in the NFL?)

The small sample size of games to compare is a good point, but those are all the games we have to compare them where they played on the same offense. And it's not uncommon to make changes based on such a small sample size.

An extreme example is when Bledsoe was hurt and Brady stepped in. I think Bledsoe was healthy again by the end of the season, yet there was no way he was seeing the field again the way the Pats were rolling with their backup low-round new starter Brady. Samll sample size of games didn't stop the Pats from deciding then.

Gibbs, and more importantly in this case Saunders was gone after 2007. Vinny brought in Zorn to try to make something out of Candle, and all we have is speculation on whether Collins was even given a chance to compete after that.

And 2008 is obvious in hindsight. It's debatable how much of our great start in 2008 was due our O-Line and Portis making one last hurrah, and how much of it was teams not having enough tape on Zorn's offense. But as others have pointed out, once our running game disappeared, we had nothing. Certainly not a QB that could carry the team.

That's why we would've been better off without Candle since 2007. Not saying Collins is much either. But he was a massive upgrade in 2007, and still an upgrade in 2009. (What we should have done IMO is kept Collins as our vet, and tried to draft a good QB prospect, starting two years ago. We've wasted two seasons since then.)

[HailGreen28]

1. Dont call me out in thread that has nothing to do with you.
2. WVT has never "owned" anybody in any debates. Most of the time, She posts in a hit and run fashion, usually making promises about the future or "piling on" about JC. I did not know we were in a competition here. How old are you?
3. How am I posturing? Do I have access to her ignore list? Sorry fella, but when you add a person to ignore, the system does not notify the ignored person. If they put me on that, then so be it.
4. Your analogies are juvenial, and not on topic. If you would like to discuss the topic, have at it. If not, shut your trap... or heres a novel idea. Dont respond to my post. It was not directed at you in the first place.
5. Self control here about not bashing a Redskin with lies and fabrication in any and every thread even remotley mentioning the word "quarterback".1. Do you realize you're acting like a total hypocrite, Passizle? Those posts of yours I quoted, were YOU QUOTING HER POSTS TO OTHER PEOPLE? If you're upset about me jumping in, why were you attacking her posts WHICH WEREN'T ADDRESSED TO YOU?

2. She's owned you repeatedly. Your repeating the same tired excuses till she gave up trying to reason with you and put you on ignore, doesn't count as any kind of "win" unless you're a troll.

3. You were responding to her posts, but missed or ignored this relevant post in this thread right above the one's you were quoting:
Really too bad the ignore feature doesn't work when a post is quoted. Pass obviously has an issue with a couple of us and should just ignore us as we do him.

As for the comment this is a JC thread as you mentioned so don't understand the the problem. I too can't wait until these threads go away which should hopefully be VERY soon.Now you haven't been the best at reading comprehension when it comes to any Candle-related thread. But was responding to a poster that obviously wouldn't see your replies ignorance or malice on your part, Passizle? Either way, yeah, all it amounts to is posturing on your part.

4. Again hypocrisy thy name is Passizle. Especially about analogies, and responding to posts addressed to other people. See point #1 if you don't get it.

5. Self-control- self-evident above. Not to mention all the times you've thrown around crap like "hater", "how old are you", "shut your trap". Passizle, whatever your passion is, your mind sure as hell isn't on what would be best for the Redskins. Why don't you check your own behavior, and stay on topic instead of trying to insult and posture and "debate" someone who flat out said you were on ignore?

[wvtbred]

Totally agree HG28 that is why I put him on ignore. It just so old that I got tired of the bickering. As for everything else hopefully VERY soon all this JC crap will be some other boards problem and we can finally get back to battling our enemies instead of ourselves.

I will give Pass credit he is sticking to the fight it seems like while other apologists are changing sides and jumping on the McNabb bandwagon in droves.

Oh and the female thing is a shot at me by pass. Only thing female on me is my sig.

[redskinsgod]

Even though he has signed the skins can still cut him and owe him nothing. As per the article on csnwashington.com. I didn't think that was the case but maybe it is.

[MrJL]

Really? Keep that thought, and by the way who are the 3 Qb's beating him out of a job with the Skins? I hope your not throwing Campbell back into the mix?

Here is what I think will happen, the second Colt gets some time with the starters he will out play every QB on the team INC. DM, not that he will win the starters job, but he will be 1 injury away from starting, he's to quick with his decision making, and to accurate not to shine in Shannys offense.

Yes, I'm throwing Campbell back in the mix. Campbell will be here unless we trade him. We won't let him go for nothing.

So it'll be McNabb, Campbell and Grossman. Brennan might make the team if we do trade Campbell, but a rookie free agent could beat him out.

So your thoughts on Brennan are He's good with scrubs and starters but not with second teamers? Because last year he played against second teamers. His first year here he was on the bottom of the totem pole and played with and against camp fodder.

[rumplestilskin]

Oh and the female thing is a shot at me by pass. Only thing female on me is my sig.[/QUOTE]

And that sig makes us smile. Its a gooder

[redskinsgod]

Gee. Based on all the folks that thought campbell was a great QB, you would think he'd be easy to trade. I guess campbells media rabbits went into hiding.

And there is no way campbell comes back this year. The skins will make sure of it. That experiment is over and I wouldn't be surprised to see Campbell in the CFL soon. He's not a pro QB, he's a starting CFL QB.

[elkabong82]

Gee. Based on all the folks that thought campbell was a great QB, you would think he'd be easy to trade. I guess campbells media rabbits went into hiding.

And there is no way campbell comes back this year. The skins will make sure of it. That experiment is over and I wouldn't be surprised to see Campbell in the CFL soon. He's not a pro QB, he's a starting CFL QB.

Never really saw "Campbell is great." Just mostly "Campbell is decent, but could be very good in the right situation." But I guess when your side is deluded to extreme opinions, instead of rational criticism, that it's bound to assume any opposition lies on the extreme opposite, whereas in reality it's been more in the middle.

McNabb was on the market for awhile too. Does it not cross your mind that Shanny/Allen will only trade JC for what they have his worth set at (a 3rd rder), but since we have McNabb teams are going to low ball them right now? And following this, JC signed his tender which means he can now be traded on draft day as well, when his stock will be higher.

There have been 4 teams reported as having interest in the deal, so it's not like nobody wants JC as QB, as you are trying to imply.

"No way Campbell comes back this year. skins will make sure of it." Really? Because Shanny said he wants Campbell back as the back-up to McNabb. I admit that could just be posturing to give the Skins leverage, but if you are going to consider that as a possibility then you have to consider that teams are currently lowballing the Skins.

[wvtbred]

Oh and the female thing is a shot at me by pass. Only thing female on me is my sig.


And that sig makes us smile. Its a gooder

Thanks, glad she is doing her job :)

[HailGreen28]

re-edit: Oh, my apologies. Guess there's no way to tell over the internet sometimes.

Don't see why it should be considered a "shot" one way or the other....

[wvtbred]

Oh, my apologies. Guess there's no way to tell over the internet sometimes.

Don't see why it should be considered a "shot" one way or the other....

Pass and I have a history so it was him not you. Nothing to worry about that's for sure :D

It's all good we have a new leader, one that will pick up the team and carry him on his shoulders and win or lose he gives us something to be really excited about!!!!!

[HailGreen28]

nevermind .

[HawaiianTime]

Just in case somebody missed Haps post in "Bubba's Breaking News", http://www.csnwashington.com/04/12/10/Jason-Campbell-May-Skip-Minicamp/landing_redskins.html?blockID=214740&feedID=272. It doesn't look like Campbell will be back as he doesn't even have the playbook and will not be attending mini-camp this weekend.

[redskinsgod]

"No way Campbell comes back this year. skins will make sure of it." Really? Because Shanny said he wants Campbell back as the back-up to McNabb. I admit that could just be posturing to give the Skins leverage, but if you are going to consider that as a possibility then you have to consider that teams are currently lowballing the Skins.

I don't think Shanny is going to kill any chances of getting rid of him so its not surprising to me that he would say that. Plus, even though campbell has signed, the skins can still cut him if they wish and they don't have to pay him anything, as per an article I read today. My guess is he will be gone and gone soon. The signing of Rex was more of a "sign of no faith" in Jason than it was to Colt, unlike what some here in this forum thought. Too be honest, I don't think I could handle another year of clueless Campbell posts (by a few) like last year so I'm looking forward to him being traded so reality can come back to the QB position.

[wvtbred]

Just in case somebody missed Haps post in "Bubba's Breaking News", http://www.csnwashington.com/04/12/10/Jason-Campbell-May-Skip-Minicamp/landing_redskins.html?blockID=214740&feedID=272. It doesn't look like Campbell will be back as he doesn't even have the playbook and will not be attending mini-camp this weekend.

Like I mentioned when he decided not to go to the park to meet for lunch with Shanny. Shanny left the park to meet with JC then soon after JC decided he wasn't going to workout at the park either. Writing has been on the wall it just depends on how you want to interpret it.

He is not coming back and is having trouble getting the deal he wanted so he signed the tender. Now it's time for Shanny to take over and get whatever he can for the benefit of the team.

[elkabong82]

I don't think Shanny is going to kill any chances of getting rid of him so its not surprising to me that he would say that. Plus, even though campbell has signed, the skins can still cut him if they wish and they don't have to pay him anything, as per an article I read today. My guess is he will be gone and gone soon. The signing of Rex was more of a "sign of no faith" in Jason than it was to Colt, unlike what some here in this forum thought. Too be honest, I don't think I could handle another year of clueless Campbell posts (by a few) like last year so I'm looking forward to him being traded so reality can come back to the QB position.

Again though, if you are going to say Shanny is just saying he wants Campbell back to try and drive up his value, then that means teams have to be low-balling their offers, which invalidates what you said earlier about Campbell not being easy to trade because he isn't as great as you think some claimed.

I disagree on your opinion of the Grossman signing. After Campbell we had Colt and Bartell and that was it. Colt is an unknown commodity, Bartell is not likely a solution. The trading for McNabb was a sign of "not enough faith" to me, the pick-up of Grossman was actually improving the depth at QB and providing at least some competition at the position. JMHO on that though.

[Bootleg]

Are we still debating whether Jason Campbell is a good quarterback or not? The guy is a goner and teams don't have much interest in him. He's unlikely to be relevant to the Redskins ever again once he is traded or cut.

[elkabong82]

Like I mentioned when he decided not to go to the park to meet for lunch with Shanny. Shanny left the park to meet with JC then soon after JC decided he wasn't going to workout at the park either. Writing has been on the wall it just depends on how you want to interpret it.

He is not coming back and is having trouble getting the deal he wanted so he signed the tender. Now it's time for Shanny to take over and get whatever he can for the benefit of the team.

That's revisionist history at best.

http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=320780

According to TK, they were at the Park and left for lunch. There was no indication that JC decided not to go to meet for lunch with Shanny at the Park, unless you got a link that says otherwise.

Shanny decided to have lunch with JC when he traded for McNabb, not only after JC decided to stop working out at the park, as you suggest.

I would imagine JC is having trouble getting a deal done since teams are going to low-ball right now. Unless you think Shanny was being genuine when he said he'd like to have JC back, that he can be succesful here.

[wvtbred]

That's revisionist history at best.

http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=320780

According to TK, they were at the Park and left for lunch. There was no indication that JC decided not to go to meet for lunch with Shanny at the Park, unless you got a link that says otherwise.

Shanny decided to have lunch with JC when he traded for McNabb, not only after JC decided to stop working out at the park, as you suggest.

I would imagine JC is having trouble getting a deal done since teams are going to low-ball right now. Unless you think Shanny was being genuine when he said he'd like to have JC back, that he can be succesful here.

Not going to question TK's inside info but it is only one word "they" other then "he". Everything else I have seen/heard was that Shanny left the park by himself to meet JC. Even if they left together JC has not been back and will not come back to workout or for minicamp. What's more important the thought that he met then left for lunch or the fact he has not come back to workout and will not attend minicamp?

It's over and he is as good as gone so let him go.

[KokoMike]

Campbell talked last Spring about this Inner Dragon we haven't seen. I really kept looking for it ever since then. I looked and looked and looked.

Well, I think this is it. The Inner Dragon is deeply imbedded. The guy is a problem.

Dragon be gone.

[elkabong82]

Not going to question TK's inside info but it is only one word "they" other then "he". Everything else I have seen/heard was that Shanny left the park by himself to meet JC. Even if they left together JC has not been back and will not come back to workout or for minicamp. What's more important the thought that he met then left for lunch or the fact he has not come back to workout and will not attend minicamp?

It's over and he is as good as gone so let him go.

I am supporting McNabb because he is our starting QB. I let JC go already because I can check my own opinion when greater football minds take actions which differ from it, can you say you are capable of the same?

What I won't let go of is when people use false information or revisionist history to further an agenda that should be dead now. You tell me to let him go, yet you're the one posting multiple times in every JC thread about how awful you think he is, still.

Your previous post tries to portray the events as JC refusing to go to the park and forcing Shanny to meet him elsewhere and that JC just decided on his own w/o regard to the team that he wouldn't be working out at the park either. That's not what happened at all, and you won't even provide a link supporting your assertions.

So what's more important: distorting facts to portray JC as some selfish person throwing a fit (ala Jay Cutler) to further an agenda, or being factually honest about events?

The difference, btw, between "he" and they" is the difference between an individual decision and a mutual decision, which is pretty important.

[Passizle]

1. Do you realize you're acting like a total hypocrite, Passizle? Those posts of yours I quoted, were YOU QUOTING HER POSTS TO OTHER PEOPLE? If you're upset about me jumping in, why were you attacking her posts WHICH WEREN'T ADDRESSED TO YOU?

Here a little lesson in post history for the ill informed poster who jumps to conclusions and attacks people...

My first post to wvt (before I knew I was on ignore).
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7438863&postcount=60 (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7438863&postcount=60)

This was in direct response to two posters openly critical of JC starting the JC bashing bandwagon in a thread thats not about the quality of the QB... hence why I made the statment I made. The post was a general address.

In my next post to wvt...
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7439490&postcount=73 (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7439490&postcount=73)
I was explaining the painfully obvious point about not turning any thread into a "lets bash JC" highjacking. Just because the thread has JC's name in it, does not mean that a poster is staying on topic when baching the guy.


2. She's owned you repeatedly. Your repeating the same tired excuses till she gave up trying to reason with you and put you on ignore, doesn't count as any kind of "win" unless you're a troll.

Please use the search function. Find anywhere where they owend anyone. Next... please quote me in this thread where I am repeating my "same tired excuses" for JC. I dare you.
Its only at a level of maturity of yours, where a person is more concerned about "owning", than voicing their opinions. Like I stated in my last post. I did not know I was in a competition. Please point me in the direction of those board "ownage" rules.


3. You were responding to her posts, but missed or ignored this relevant post in this thread right above the one's you were quoting:Now you haven't been the best at reading comprehension when it comes to any Candle-related thread. But was responding to a poster that obviously wouldn't see your replies ignorance or malice on your part, Passizle? Either way, yeah, all it amounts to is posturing on your part.

You are correct. I did miss the part where wvt mentioned i was on their ignore list. Since when is that a crime? Oh... and save your weaksauce, immature attempts at an insult there smart guy. If you were half as smart as you pretend to be, you might see where this whole mess was going in the first place. While your at it, look up the word posturing.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/posturing?&qsrc (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/posturing?&qsrc)


4. Again hypocrisy thy name is Passizle. Especially about analogies, and responding to posts addressed to other people. See point #1 if you don't get it.

I think you need the dictionary.com link saved as a bookmark. How is it hypocritical to request a person stay on topic, when I am staying on topic. I am not asking wvt to do anything I, myself, am not doing. Do you even know what the word "hypocrite" means?
This is an example of a hypocrite. A poster complains about the "hater" term, calling people who use it hypocrites, and and then post this in the same thread.
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7445824&postcount=183 (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7445824&postcount=183)


5. Self-control- self-evident above. Not to mention all the times you've thrown around crap like "hater", "how old are you", "shut your trap". Passizle, whatever your passion is, your mind sure as hell isn't on what would be best for the Redskins. Why don't you check your own behavior, and stay on topic instead of trying to insult and posture and "debate" someone who flat out said you were on ignore?
HG28. You called me out on this. Dont even pretend to take the high road, while you throw out passive aggressive remarks and insults. If you read the rest of my posts with same vigor you have seem to put into this one, you may have noticed that I apologized for using the term "hater" in this very thread.
Please point out where I insulted anyone in this thread.
I did question your age, because your candor suggests a person who is not yet emotionally secure, or mature. Your little "lash outs" and infatuation (sp) with "ownage" speaks volumes...
When my behaviour is in question, I will check it. I have not insulted, slandered, or hurt anyones feelings in this thread. FWIW, I went on the "she" thing, based on your assumption that wvt was a female. I was not trying to insult anyone. My apologies to wvt. Let that example show you that your assumptions about me are just as incorrect as the one you made about wvt.
Now... lets try to stay OT from here on out. If you want to "own" me... take it to PM. The board could use less OT clutter... and this thread is certainly not about your feelings for me.

[HailSkinz1]

JC has finally signed the tender. The Redskins gave him plenty of time to find a team that wanted him, but none came forward. So, he had to sign. Now it's up to the Redskins to find a team who will take him off our hands.

Finally, everyone sees what many of us here have seen all along. JC is a great guy, but mediocre at best QB.

I was hoping we'd get a 2nd for JC because I thought other teams might still be fooled. Now I'm thinking a 4th is the best we'll get for him.

The move to get JC in the draft will go down as one of this franchises worst moves.

Hail,

H

[SonnyJ]

The move to get JC in the draft will go down as one of this franchises worst moves.

As much as I soured on Campbell over the last season and a half, I still don't have a problem with drafting him. You have to get the guy that can stabilize the QB position for the foreseeable future. Risks are taken. Some work out, most don't. But, when it does, it sets the table for the franchise.

The problem wasn't drafting him, IMO. It was sticking with him for too long, especially considering that he never had to earn it.

[HailGreen28]

Here a little lesson in post history for the ill informed poster who jumps to conclusions and attacks people...

My first post to wvt (before I knew I was on ignore).
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7438863&postcount=60 (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7438863&postcount=60)

This was in direct response to two posters openly critical of JC starting the JC bashing bandwagon in a thread thats not about the quality of the QB... hence why I made the statment I made. The post was a general address.

In my next post to wvt...
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7439490&postcount=73 (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7439490&postcount=73)
I was explaining the painfully obvious point about not turning any thread into a "lets bash JC" highjacking. Just because the thread has JC's name in it, does not mean that a poster is staying on topic when baching the guy.



Please use the search function. Find anywhere where they owend anyone. Next... please quote me in this thread where I am repeating my "same tired excuses" for JC. I dare you.
Its only at a level of maturity of yours, where a person is more concerned about "owning", than voicing their opinions. Like I stated in my last post. I did not know I was in a competition. Please point me in the direction of those board "ownage" rules.



You are correct. I did miss the part where wvt mentioned i was on their ignore list. Since when is that a crime? Oh... and save your weaksauce, immature attempts at an insult there smart guy. If you were half as smart as you pretend to be, you might see where this whole mess was going in the first place. While your at it, look up the word posturing.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/posturing?&qsrc (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/posturing?&qsrc)



I think you need the dictionary.com link saved as a bookmark. How is it hypocritical to request a person stay on topic, when I am staying on topic. I am not asking wvt to do anything I, myself, am not doing. Do you even know what the word "hypocrite" means?
This is an example of a hypocrite. A poster complains about the "hater" term, calling people who use it hypocrites, and and then post this in the same thread.
http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7445824&postcount=183 (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7445824&postcount=183)


HG28. You called me out on this. Dont even pretend to take the high road, while you throw out passive aggressive remarks and insults. If you read the rest of my posts with same vigor you have seem to put into this one, you may have noticed that I apologized for using the term "hater" in this very thread.
Please point out where I insulted anyone in this thread.
I did question your age, because your candor suggests a person who is not yet emotionally secure, or mature. Your little "lash outs" and infatuation (sp) with "ownage" speaks volumes...
When my behaviour is in question, I will check it. I have not insulted, slandered, or hurt anyones feelings in this thread. FWIW, I went on the "she" thing, based on your assumption that wvt was a female. I was not trying to insult anyone. My apologies to wvt. Let that example show you that your assumptions about me are just as incorrect as the one you made about wvt.
Now... lets try to stay OT from here on out. If you want to "own" me... take it to PM. The board could use less OT clutter... and this thread is certainly not about your feelings for me.Way to either miss the point of what I was saying, or deliberately try to misrepresent what you did. Again it's either failure or malice on your part. Par for the course for you I guess either way.

To summarize, just in case you still don't get it: You kept responding to wvt's posts TO OTHER POSTERS, even though he'd made it patently obvious you were on ignore. His post on that was right above the ones you responded to in this same thread. So knowing he wouldn't see your responses, you sniped with "wonderful insightful on-topic" posts like "Good thing you've been wrong 90% of the time."

Yes that's posturing on your part, it's wrong to do such a childish thing to try to undermine a poster, so that's why I called you out on it.

Now to explain your hypocrisy: Your first reaction was to tell me not to respond to posts that weren't addressed to me. When you had been doing the exact same thing to wvt multiple times. If you don't see that, then yeah you're choosing to deliberately act stupid.

Your excuse list for why you responded is hilarious BTW, and can be summed up as "I don't agree with what wvt said, so I was just talking in general." That's almost as funny an excuse as the "it was the wind" excuse by another poster earlier.

You've slipped in insults like "shut your trap", "hater", and "how old are you" for awhile, and just like now claimed you never really insulted anybody.

Other posters were talking about candle in a reasonable fashion, why don't you quit your sniping, quit lying about it after the fact, and quit posturing like you're doing now?

Just try to accept: some of us are bigger fans of the Redskins than we are of Jason Candle, wvt has repeatedly owned you, and yeah you've insulted and behaved hypocritically in this thread. 'Nuff said.

[wvtbred]

Now to explain your hypocrisy: Your first reaction was to tell me not to respond to posts that weren't addressed to me. When you had been doing the exact same thing to wvt multiple times. If you don't see that, then yeah you're choosing to deliberately act stupid.

Y

Now you know why he is on ignore and for what it's worth the only one at the moment.

All quiet on the JC front today unless you want to add the speculation about Pittsburgh. Can't wait until draft day!

[Park City Skins]

Now... lets try to stay OT from here on out. If you want to "own" me... take it to PM. The board could use less OT clutter... and this thread is certainly not about your feelings for me

Yes. And should have been done earlier. Thanks. As a result,this one's run its course.