Remainder of the Offseason: Your Take?

[heliKCx17]

I know this has been discussed. Or attempted to be discussed. However, I have talked to multiple, multiple members of ES, and we are all annoyed by the CONSTANT hijacking of threads. It is ridiculous. (MESSAGE TO SOME, CERTAINLY NOT ALL)>>Stop talking about your personal agenda in EVERY THREAD. you make think it's cute or funny, but we don't need your self-serving comments in a place we are trying to have real conversations.

NO JC

NO why AH sucks/is great

NO I hate/love Snyder or Allen or Shanny or anyone else.

FOCUS on the OP:

What should we do with the rest of the offseason? Many of you think we should stand pat and draft. If so, what do we do? I want your scenario if you were running the team, and I think it will start great conversations. Here are my ideas, feel free to bash me:

1) Trade player (Moss, Landry, Campbell) and/or a pick (besides #1) in 2011 for B. Marshall.

2) Trade JC and Andre Carter for a 4th and 5th round pick.

3) Now get ready to draft.

4) Trade Down with Cleveland: They have plenty of picks, they could have interest in Clausen, Berry, Suh, McCoy, or Bradford if he falls (yes I know what Holmgren said) (+3rd rounder)

NOTE: IF BRADFORD IS AVAILABLE, DRAFT HIM!

5) Draft Trent Williams with #7.

6) Trade the newly acquired 3rd round pick and a player (Cooley or Davis) for LT Gaither. If need be, add a late rounder next year.

7) 4th round: Draft Montario Hardesty and Jason Fox/Calloway (Great for ZBS)

8) 5th round: Draft Brandon Spikes and Selvish Capers or best OL available

9) 7th round: BPA


Now, I know many of you are thinking, here we go, mortgage our future again, but these trades make us younger (Gaither and Marshall 24), and give us a chance to win now as well as years down the road. Thoughts?

[SKIN4WAHOOZ]

:kickcan:........

[heliKCx17]

:kickcan:........

You're cool! Everyone will think that is funny! Why do you people find the need to comment where you clearly have no interest and just want to ruin threads?

[Doctorfro]

We obviously need help on the starting OL but what is even just as pressing is DEPTH on the OL. With injuries usually running rampant on linemen I think you need a stable full of these fat guys. We need to be signing all kinds of these boys.

[Coolio47]

You're cool! Everyone will think that is funny! Why do you people find the need to comment where you clearly have no interest and just want to ruin threads?

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Sorry, but your efforts are futile. People are gonna voice their opinions on the internet because they can do so with the security of being behind a computer.

[Coolio47]

As for the trades/draft picks, I can see us getting Campbell for sure, probably Landry too. Campbell probably will give us a 4th rounder in the end. Draft a Lineman regardless of how the trades for picks thing turns out.

[Travdaskin]

LT, Depth/Competition at RT. Maybe another receiver. Try and get a 2nd round pick back. And also perhaps another young RB/QB for the future...

[terrifNick21]

Trade away:
Campbell for picks.
Carter for picks.
Haynesworth (IF we get 2 2nd round picks at least)

Trade FOR:
Brandon Marshall (not sure what we'd have to give up. Next year's 1st maybe?)

Sign:
Flozell Adams - Hate the thought, but it'd be a solid move football wise
Damion Cook - solid depth at RT
Ben Hamilton - Not sure why he's not been brought in yet for at least a visit?
Levi Jones - Was solid, not spectacular last season. Possible starter again. Good competition at least
Alfonso Boone - 3-4 defensive end with good experience. Would be good depth.
Jeff Ulbrich - 3-4 ILB with 10 years experience. Another player that would provide depth.
Derrick Burgess - Same as Ubrich except OLB
Khary Campbell - would love to have the special teams ace back.


I realize we can't sign ALL of these, they're just some I would consider.



Draft:
1st round- OT Russell Okung/ OT Trent Williams/ S Eric Berry/ DT Ndamukong Suh
4th round- OG Mike Johnson/ OT Selvish Capers/ DT D'Anthony Smith/ OG Zane Beadles
5th round- DE Clifton Geathers/ ILB Jamar Chaney/ OG Marshall Newhouse/ RB Lonyae Miller
7th round- ILB Darryl Sharpton/ DE/OLB George Selvie/ WR Freddie Barnes/ RB Deji Karim


Now I hope we have more draft picks courtesy of the trades listed above or trading down. Hopefully an additional 2nd or 3rd and another 4th or 5th would be nice along with a high draft pick next year if Haynesworth is dealt.. :2cents:

[Perky72]

Main thing I'd like to see is taking Okung at #4, and if he's not available trading down just a few spots and getting one of the other top LTs. We need more picks, but I wouldn't like to trade way down for them, even if we're unable to get more through pre-draft trades.

Getting at least one young potential ten-year starter is crucial, and we may not be anywhere near pick 4 for awhile (hopefully). We need an Oline equivalent of 'Rak this year from the draft.

[Forehead]

However, I have talked to multiple, multiple members of ES, and we are all annoyed by the CONSTANT hijacking of threads. It is ridiculous. (MESSAGE TO SOME, CERTAINLY NOT ALL)>>Stop talking about your personal agenda in EVERY THREAD. you make think it's cute or funny, but we don't need your self-serving comments in a place we are trying to have real conversations.

You know, this holier than thou attitude would go over better if it was coming from someone with a history of perfect maturity...do you qualify for that, or shall we discuss your thread from awhile back telling people they were fairweather fans and should stop rooting for the team?

Exactly. And I'd love to see a list of all the "multiple, multiple" members you "discussed this" with. What, two...three?

Now then, I will actually discuss what you have asked. The answer is, stand pat and draft Okung at 4, if he isn't available, try to find a trade partner that will still leave us in a position to get a decent OT and another pick or two.

Get whatever you can for JC, he's expendable at this point, as much as I hate to say it.

Really, that's about it. I am not in favor of trading Haynesworth. I don't think we'll be able to get a high #1 for him, we've paid him an assload of money, and trading him for a 2nd or lower is not getting good value. Line his ass up at 3-4 DE and make him play.

I'm also not in favor of trading Carter. I'll take all the depth we can get. Injuries happen, and I don't think we'll get enough for him either. Same for Landry, move him to SS and give him one more year.

[Yeen80]

Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.

[Enter Apotheosis]

NO JC

...

1) Trade player (Moss, Landry, Campbell) and/or a pick (besides #1) in 2011 for B. Marshall.

2) Trade JC and Andre Carter for a 4th and 5th round pick.

:pfft:

[jfr3ek]

this thread is bunk if you think we're willing to part ways with Cooley. Aside from Witten and Gonzales, he's the best TE in the league...ya, i said it. IN THE LEAGUE!

[terrifNick21]

this thread is bunk if you think we're willing to part ways with Cooley. Aside from Witten and Gonzales, he's the best TE in the league...ya, i said it. IN THE LEAGUE!

I don't think Cooley's name was mentioned until you just said it...

[michiskin]

I know this has been discussed. Or attempted to be discussed. However, I have talked to multiple, multiple members of ES, and we are all annoyed by the CONSTANT hijacking of threads. It is ridiculous. (MESSAGE TO SOME, CERTAINLY NOT ALL)>>Stop talking about your personal agenda in EVERY THREAD. you make think it's cute or funny, but we don't need your self-serving comments in a place we are trying to have real conversations.

NO JC



FOCUS on the OP:



2) Trade JC and Andre Carter for a 4th and 5th round pick.

Hard to take you seriously when you break your own rule, Boss.

[Stoox]

Trade:
-Campbell for #4 pick this year (Buffalo or more likely, Carolina).
-Haynesworth & Landry (Detroit #2 overall - Detroit needs DL and a strong safety - they can draft OL in the second round)
-Ask Carter where he will accept a trade to (he has a NTC), and attempt to deal him for a #4 in 2011 to get back the pick lost in the McNabb trade

DO NOT trade for:
-Brandon Marshall (price is too high, and we need to know what Kelly, Thomas and Mitchell can produce in this system. Plus, how many high maintenance guys can you have on one team?)

DO NOT Sign:
-Flozell Adams
-Levi Jones

Consider signing:
-Ken Hamlin
-Damion Cook
-Ben Hamilton
-Alfonso Boone
-Jeff Ulbrich
-Derrick Burgess

Draft:
1st round (2)- DE Ndamukong Suh
1st round (4)- OT Russell Okung/OT Trent Williams
4th round- OT Tony Washington (first round talent from Abilene Christian who will fall because of being a registered sex offender - no risk of recidivism)
4th round (Carolina pick) - FS Robert Johnson (Utah)
5th round- NT Jay Ross (East Carolina)
7th round- WR Stephen Williams (6' 5", productive at Toledo)

Fill out the rest of the 80 man training camp roster with UDFAs

Monitor other teams in May, June and July for players they cut that we can use to fill holes.

[jflow78]

Trade Rogers for Gaither (might require a later round pick to get it done)

Trade Campbell for a 4th or 5th (we'll assume the best :D)

Trade Carter for a 3rd or 4th (same as above)

Use the 1st to trade down (I'd like to pick Okung, but if we can trade down we probably will) with either Seattle (7th, and their 2nd rounder, #60). We then might be able to trade back again, depending on who's might slip.

If not, draft BPA (including Berry, the only scenario I'd be okay with drafting him) either McCoy (DT), or the best OT available (Okung, Bulaga, Davis), maybe even Berry.

From there:
2nd - Take OT if we didn't in the first, if we did, take BPA at either NT, FS, QB (maybe Tebow as a project), OG, or CB
3rd - Take Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
4th - Pick up another OL, DL, DB here
4th - Continue with either OL, DL, or DB
5th - Same
7th - BPA

After the draft, pick up whatever we need that's left. Sign Flozell Adams so that he can hold the position until our rookie is ready at either RT or LT.

I'd go after several FS, DL, and OL as UDFAs so that we have plenty of competition at each area, and maybe we can find some depth players. Then, if we still don't like our FS, sign Darren Sharper.

After this, the only other move I can think of, depending on if we've answered most of our needs would be to trade a 2nd next season for Marshall, and maybe a late pick from the 2012 draft, but definitely not the 1st. I don't even like giving up the 2nd, but Marshall is a game changer and we'd be much improved on offense in nearly every spot. At that point, with AH, Kemoeatu, Daniels starting on DL, then we've got a space to fill at OLB, CB, and FS, if we haven't already filled them. I hope Barnes is ready to take a bigger roll this season, because I'm not sure whether or not we'll be very good at CB without Rogers. I'd love to see Chris Wilson take the OLB spot opposite Orakpo.

We'd have:

OT - Our #1 pick (or Gaither) (Flozell Adams for depth)
OG - Dockery (Reinhardt and Williams for depth)
C - Rabach (Kory Lichtensteiger for depth)
OG - Hicks (Reinhardt and Williams for depth)
OT - Gaither (or our 2nd rounder) (Heyer for depth)
QB - McNabb (Grossman)
TE - Cooley/Davis
RB - Portis/LJ/Parker
WR - Marshall/Moss/Thomas/Kelly/Mitchell

DE - Haynesworth (Alexander)
DT - Kemoeatu (Montgomery)
DE - Daniels (Jarmon)
OLB - Orakpo/Wilson (Carter in pass rushing situations)
ILB - McIntosh/Fletcher (??? Henson maybe)
CB - Hall/Barnes/Buchanon/Tryon
FS - Sharper (Kareem Moore)
SS - Landry (Horton and/or Doughty)

I like the look of that. We get younger at both OT spots and completely redo our OL, Marshall as a #1. Then we could see Jarmon put on 10-15 pounds (287-292) and play DE in the 3-4. Anthony Montgomery is a great size for NT (330).

Our weaknesses would be that we're thin at all our LB spots, and possibly thin at CB. Flozell Adams and Heyer would be decent depth for the year at OT.

Anyway, that's my idea. I didn't add in any of our draft picks, besides the OT, because I'm fairly sure we're getting one, and beyond that, I have no idea. So, add 2 or 3 young draft picks (QB, OL, DL, LB, CB, S, or whatever) anywhere there and we just look that much better. I think this gives us decent youth, depth, and experience to make our team competitive this season, without completely selling the future.

[AllAboutTheU]

Trade AC to one of the 4-3 teams needing a rush DE for a mid 2nd rounder. Why would you trade Landry after he had a great year his rookie season and struggled a bit learning a new position as a free safety?

Instead of that let's maybe consider some options with where we could go with our 2nd rounder and 4th, remember the 3rd is Jeremy Jarmon so that's still considered "building through the draft. Here's my ideal scenario.

1st Round-4th Overall- Russell Okung- OT

2nd round- Nate Allen- FS- South Florida who is widely considered to be a better prospect than Taylor Mays when you get past the future Oakland Raider's measureables which Allen holds his own against. Hopefully Mays can go to a team other than the circus show but Allen is clearly better in coverage which is what we are dying for at the FS position. Landry just put him at SS let him bang around which is what he is best at. You're not a day one starter at every organization you've been a part of in football for no reason.

4th- Navarro Bowman-OLB- Penn State- pleeease fall

5th- Darryl Sharpton- ILB- Miami- Add more depth to linebacking corps.

6th- Montario Hardesty- Tennessee this could be Shanahan's guy he turns into a star out of nowhere.

7th- Kyle Calloway- Iowa- RT prospect provides solid depth who knows what could happen.

[heliKCx17]

You know, this holier than thou attitude would go over better if it was coming from someone with a history of perfect maturity...do you qualify for that, or shall we discuss your thread from awhile back telling people they were fairweather fans and should stop rooting for the team?

Exactly. And I'd love to see a list of all the "multiple, multiple" members you "discussed this" with. What, two...three?



Haha...let go my friend...how long ago was that?

[Skinsfan1311]

Now then, I will actually discuss what you have asked. The answer is, stand pat and draft Okung at 4, if he isn't available, try to find a trade partner that will still leave us in a position to get a decent OT and another pick or two.

Get whatever you can for JC, he's expendable at this point, as much as I hate to say it.

Really, that's about it. I am not in favor of trading Haynesworth. Same for Landry, move him to SS and give him one more year.


Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.

This is how I feel....not much I can add....

[skinsmania123]

We will have an OL but will it have any depth? That needs to be addressed. Perhaps through a bundled trade that adds depth to another team, while addressing this "depth" issue at OL.

I know everyone is saying pick up a decent QB if this option is available to us in the draft but I don't think we should. We have a year or two to address that need for a "fanchise" QB. Go for an OL player or ANY quality player that can upgrade a position. But not at QB this year.

If we do make a deal and pick up later round draft picks, I say pick up another RB, mixing youth with the aging backfield we have chosen to roll with. Could be a great first year return guy for us because we don't have one.

I do not want to trade Albert Haynesworth if we get no value out of it. Cannot believe what we paid for this dude. And on top of that he has a piss poor attitude. And while I want to really get rid of him we need to get something of value out of this. Does anyone know if the Lions or Bucs have someone they can trade with us?

[Buffalo Hunter]

this thread is bunk if you think we're willing to part ways with Cooley. Aside from Witten and Gonzales, he's the best TE in the league...ya, i said it. IN THE LEAGUE!

you forgot antonio gates

[#1 McNabb Fan]

I think the Skins will trade away Albert Hanyesworth and Jason Campbell and will get the picks they need to draft the players they need. I think they should move down from 4 if you can't get a 1st for Hanyesworth so you can use the draft to fill some holes.

[HailfrmDEN]

people seem to turn every thread why and how we should get bradford. Give everything away for bradford but a second is to much for Mcnabb. Some peoples only idea of how we can win is a rookie QB behind a weak line.

[stoney26]

you forgot antonio gates

And Vernon Davis.

[Capt Rich Fla]

Is the OP a mod? I thought that took years to achive.

[jflow78]

people seem to turn every thread why and how we should get bradford.

Which is funny cause, the OP said if Bradford falls take him, and beyond that you're the only person that's mentioned Bradford in this thread. The OP was just giving his theory of what we do for the rest of the offseason, not giving a long speech about why/what we should do to get Bradford. So, I understand what you're saying, but in all honesty, I don't think it applies here.

I get annoyed with that stuff too, but this is one of the few threads (so far) that it really isn't a major issue in, so lets try and leave it at that.

Looking at my previous post, I probably could have said, "Trake Rogers for Gaither, trade Carter if we have to, trade JC for a 4th or 5th, sign Sharper to start at FS, move Landry to SS, sign Flozell Adams (for depth), and draft an OT in the 1st (for LT) or 2nd (for RT and have Gaither at LT). At that point, we have 6 more picks this draft (other than the OT), we kept Haynesworth, and if we want to use Carter as a pass rusher we can (then we'd only have 5 more draft picks after OT). Plus we've got the option of picking up Brandon Marshall.

It makes us better and younger (besides FS). Yeah, that was shorter.

[IS guhn RAIN]

I don't think Cooley's name was mentioned until you just said it...




1) Trade player (Moss, Landry, Campbell) and/or a pick (besides #1) in 2011 for B. Marshall.

2) Trade JC and Andre Carter for a 4th and 5th round pick.

3) Now get ready to draft.

4) Trade Down with Cleveland: They have plenty of picks, they could have interest in Clausen, Berry, Suh, McCoy, or Bradford if he falls (yes I know what Holmgren said) (+3rd rounder)

NOTE: IF BRADFORD IS AVAILABLE, DRAFT HIM!

5) Draft Trent Williams with #7.

6) Trade the newly acquired 3rd round pick and a player (Cooley or Davis) for LT Gaither. If need be, add a late rounder next year.

7) 4th round: Draft Montario Hardesty and Jason Fox/Calloway (Great for ZBS)

8) 5th round: Draft Brandon Spikes and Selvish Capers or best OL available

9) 7th round: BPA


Now, I know many of you are thinking, here we go, mortgage our future again, but these trades make us younger (Gaither and Marshall 24), and give us a chance to win now as well as years down the road. Thoughts?

I dont want to trade cooley or davis. And i really dont want to trade for Marshall. Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell are much better than people think.

[Dro89]

AH + 4 to Seattle for 6th + 14th


JC to Okland for 2/3/4 really doesn't matter i would like a 2nd but a 3rd would be great.

trade AC for a 4th or 5th.

Trade Malcom Kelly + next year 2nd rounder to denver for B Marshall.

6th Pick Draft Eric Berry

14th Pick Trent Williams

SOME HOW GET A 2nd Round pick. - Jahvid Best

4th Round Another OT

4th Round ILB

5th Round. Brandon Spikes

7th Round take a risk on a skill player.


FA.



Sign:
Flozell Adams - Hate the thought, but it'd be a solid move football wise
Damion Cook - solid depth at RT
Ben Hamilton - Not sure why he's not been brought in yet for at least a visit?
Levi Jones - Was solid, not spectacular last season. Possible starter again. Good competition at least
Alfonso Boone - 3-4 defensive end with good experience. Would be good depth.
Jeff Ulbrich - 3-4 ILB with 10 years experience. Another player that would provide depth.
Derrick Burgess - Same as Ubrich except OLB
Khary Campbell - would love to have the special teams ace back.

[HLF]

I think the Skins will trade away Albert Hanyesworth and Jason Campbell and will get the picks they need to draft the players they need. I think they should move down from 4 if you can't get a 1st for Hanyesworth so you can use the draft to fill some holes.

That would be dream scenario #1. Get a 1st from either Det or Tampa, 4th for JC and maybe another for AH?

That would give us 2 #1s, 2 #4s. Im sure coach will be able to make some solid picks with those.

[terrifNick21]

Trade AC to one of the 4-3 teams needing a rush DE for a mid 2nd rounder. Why would you trade Landry after he had a great year his rookie season and struggled a bit learning a new position as a free safety?

Instead of that let's maybe consider some options with where we could go with our 2nd rounder and 4th, remember the 3rd is Jeremy Jarmon so that's still considered "building through the draft. Here's my ideal scenario.

1st Round-4th Overall- Russell Okung- OT

2nd round- Nate Allen- FS- South Florida who is widely considered to be a better prospect than Taylor Mays when you get past the future Oakland Raider's measureables which Allen holds his own against. Hopefully Mays can go to a team other than the circus show but Allen is clearly better in coverage which is what we are dying for at the FS position. Landry just put him at SS let him bang around which is what he is best at. You're not a day one starter at every organization you've been a part of in football for no reason.

4th- Navarro Bowman-OLB- Penn State- pleeease fall

5th- Darryl Sharpton- ILB- Miami- Add more depth to linebacking corps.

6th- Montario Hardesty- Tennessee this could be Shanahan's guy he turns into a star out of nowhere.

7th- Kyle Calloway- Iowa- RT prospect provides solid depth who knows what could happen.


-- There is NO way Andre Carter gets us a 2nd round pick.

-- Agree with the Okung selection, of course.

-- Even if we somehow acquire a 2nd round pick, it doesn't need to be on a safety. The only safeties in this draft I would consider are Eric Berry or Chad Jones, who could be around in the third round.

-- There is absolutely no way in God's name Navarro Bowman gets passed by for three rounds. No way. Besides, he's a lifelong Cowboys fan. No.

-- Darryl Sharpton is more likely a 6th-7th round prospect. Could get a better player than him with the 5th.

-- Montario Hardesty is going AT LEAST before the 4th round. I think some team could possibly take him in the second round due to his great combine.

[gchwood]

I have been hearing alot of crazy rumors that Detroit would be willing to give up their #1(2nd overall) for AH and other considerations (Landry?). So I say pull that trigger.

Then with #2 draft Okung, with #4 draft Clausen for future, Sign Flozell Adams to play RT (never understood why he played LT since he is deaf in right ear), Sign Sharper to play ballhawk for a few years. Use picks gained from trading JC and AC to get depth.

[terrifNick21]

I have been hearing alot of crazy rumors that Detroit would be willing to give up their #1(2nd overall) for AH and other considerations (Landry?). So I say pull that trigger.


Oh dear God I wish that was true. But likely, it's false.

[Dro89]

i wouldnt give up Landry AND AH more like AH and if anything a future 6th round pick. IMO a combination of Eric Berry and Landry will be VERY good.

[SWFLSkins]

You're cool! Everyone will think that is funny! Why do you people find the need to comment where you clearly have no interest and just want to ruin threads?

Why do you start a thread about personal agendas when clearly you have one?

[terrifNick21]

i wouldnt give up Landry AND AH more like AH and if anything a future 6th round pick. IMO a combination of Eric Berry and Landry will be VERY good.

If they did somehow trade Landry to Detroit, I'd want Louis Delmas in return. He's a good leader as well as a good player. But then again, I don't see Landry going anywhere and don't really want him to.

[SWFLSkins]

Haha...let go my friend...how long ago was that?

How is this guy not NNT'dX2d?

[terrifNick21]

I dont want to trade cooley or davis. And i really dont want to trade for Marshall. Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell are much better than people think.

:ols: My bad. Guess I read it too fast.

[Dro89]

i still say that eric berry is a very big asset to this team.. the Oline can be fized with Okung+Flozell+ FA depth. Berry can be a big game changer for us.

[jflow78]

There is NO way Andre Carter gets us a 2nd round pick.......Montario Hardesty is going AT LEAST before the 4th round. I think some team could possibly take him in the second round due to his great combine.

Absolutely agree. Carter might get us a 3rd or 4th if someone needs him and there's a little bidding.

And even before the combine Hardesty would have gone 4th or 5th round, but, like you said, after the combine he's 3rd maybe even 2nd.


i still say that eric berry is a very big asset to this team.. the Oline can be fized with Okung+Flozell+ FA depth. Berry can be a big game changer for us.

I would love to have Berry, I don't see it happening, but if we did trade AH for an early 1st, then I think we could afford to take Berry and Okung, then get a true NT in the 2nd. However, I don't honestly think AH is going anywhere and I don't think that, if he does, we're getting a first. Not this season anyway (I wish).

[Dro89]

we could give up SOMETHING for Shauwn Rodgers. from Cleveland.

[terrifNick21]

we could give up SOMETHING for Shauwn Rodgers. from Cleveland.

I'd rather not. I'd just stick with Kemoeatu and see what we have there instead of giving up something for a player that's somewhat in a legal mess currently.

[jflow78]

Uh, since Shaun Rogers just got arrested for having a handgun at an AIRPORT, I don't know that Shanahan is going to jump on that one. Not to mention, if not showing up for "voluntary" practice or workouts makes Shanahan mad, what do you think having illegal weapons in a public place would do.

No thanks. Haynesworth is a social headache among teammates maybe, but at least he's not a borderline criminal idiot. Oh, and if people don't like Al taking plays off, Rogers is twice as bad.

[Dro89]

i was saying after the legal mess.. if ben can get off with molesting 20 year olds then rodgers can get off with accidental gun.

[terrifNick21]

i was saying after the legal mess.. if ben can get off with molesting 20 year olds then rodgers can get off with accidental gun.

He's 31 and on the downside of his career anyway. I wouldn't give up picks for him. And the Ben insult isn't really necessary. It's two different situations.

[stevemcqueen1]

Commenting on the OP's plan, I don't think Gaither is a great fit here and I've never liked Trent Williams. Also I don't think it's worth it to trade for Marshall. But I do like the idea of drafting Bradford if he falls to four.

As for making my own plan, I've probably come up with a hundred drawn out scenarios over the course of the year and now I'm just worn out with it. All I want is for the draft to be over with so I can move on and start evaluating 2011's class. I'm already sick to death of the offseason and we haven't even hit May yet. I can't wait until college football starts up again.

[Ryko]

-- There is NO way Andre Carter gets us a 2nd round pick.

-- Agree with the Okung selection, of course.

-- Even if we somehow acquire a 2nd round pick, it doesn't need to be on a safety. The only safeties in this draft I would consider are Eric Berry or Chad Jones, who could be around in the third round.

-- There is absolutely no way in God's name Navarro Bowman gets passed by for three rounds. No way. Besides, he's a lifelong Cowboys fan. No.

-- Darryl Sharpton is more likely a 6th-7th round prospect. Could get a better player than him with the 5th.

-- Montario Hardesty is going AT LEAST before the 4th round. I think some team could possibly take him in the second round due to his great combine.

and Kyle Calloway will probably be taken in the 4th round or higher as well. I think he will be a good starting LT someday, so if the skins don't get Okung, I'd be happy to take Suh/McCoy/Berry and get Charles Brown/Kyle Calloway in rounds low 1/2 and 4 ish. That would give us 2 good tackle prospects and a new defensive stud

[heliKCx17]

How is this guy not NNT'dX2d?

Not trying to be a jerk, but what does that mean and why should it happen to me?

[doctorshockalu]

Personally I say pick up these big boys in FA.
Flozell Adams
Damion Cook
Levi Jones

Then on draft day trade down a few spots and pick up two O linemen with those picks. Draft DT and ILB in late rounds.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i often wonder why people feel the need to make threads like this. so lets not talk about campbell, haynesworth, or the front office. instead, lets make 800 threads about drafting what player at #4 or trading our players in insanely stupid scenarios that would never make much sense.

and how ironic is it that the OP said no more talk of JC, and right away hes talking about trading him a few lines down? ES hilarity at its finest.

[Mahons21]

Not trying to be a jerk, but what does that mean and why should it happen to me?

-It means you should be punished with No New Threads. Probably thinks it should happen to you, because it appears more than a few people are annoyed by your thread.

[mbws]

i often wonder why people feel the need to make threads like this. so lets not talk about campbell, haynesworth, or the front office. instead, lets make 800 threads about drafting what player at #4 or trading our players in insanely stupid scenarios that would never make much sense.

and how ironic is it that the OP said no more talk of JC, and right away hes talking about trading him a few lines down? ES hilarity at its finest.

Talking about trading Campbell is not the same thing as endlessly repeating how much and why he sucks. Get it?

[MGutta]

I've been a proponent against signing Flozell Adams, but rumors are rampant both on here and rotoworld that we are interested. If they think he can play the ZBS, then sign him. Immediately.

If anyone else knows more about the ZBS than I, feel free to chime in.

Then sign FS OJ Atogwe to an offer sheet and move Landry to SS.

Also, I'd like to cut a deal with the Raiders for Jason Campbell. If there's a team that would give us a second round pick for him, it's them.

If Okung falls to us at 4, I think we could trade that pick for Buffalo for their 9 and 41. Trent Williams is said to be better for the ZBS and is rated as a higher prospect (by some) anyway. I think Bulaga would go before him, so we would be safe.

Albert Haynesworth and Andre Carter for Tennessee's 1st. They run 4-3 and lost Vandenbosch. This is a deal they have to make.

Our draft then becomes:

1(9) Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
1(16) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
2(39) Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
2(41) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
4(103) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
5(135) LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
7(211) Travis Ivey, NT, Maryland

[Geneva]

I know this has been discussed. Or attempted to be discussed. However, I have talked to multiple, multiple members of ES, and we are all annoyed by the CONSTANT hijacking of threads. It is ridiculous. (MESSAGE TO SOME, CERTAINLY NOT ALL)>>Stop talking about your personal agenda in EVERY THREAD. you make think it's cute or funny, but we don't need your self-serving comments in a place we are trying to have real conversations.

NO JC

NO why AH sucks/is great

NO I hate/love Snyder or Allen or Shanny or anyone else.

FOCUS on the OP:

What should we do with the rest of the offseason? Many of you think we should stand pat and draft. If so, what do we do? I want your scenario if you were running the team, and I think it will start great conversations. Here are my ideas, feel free to bash me:

1) Trade player (Moss, Landry, Campbell) and/or a pick (besides #1) in 2011 for B. Marshall.

2) Trade JC and Andre Carter for a 4th and 5th round pick.

3) Now get ready to draft.

4) Trade Down with Cleveland: They have plenty of picks, they could have interest in Clausen, Berry, Suh, McCoy, or Bradford if he falls (yes I know what Holmgren said) (+3rd rounder)

NOTE: IF BRADFORD IS AVAILABLE, DRAFT HIM!

5) Draft Trent Williams with #7.

6) Trade the newly acquired 3rd round pick and a player (Cooley or Davis) for LT Gaither. If need be, add a late rounder next year.

7) 4th round: Draft Montario Hardesty and Jason Fox/Calloway (Great for ZBS)

8) 5th round: Draft Brandon Spikes and Selvish Capers or best OL available

9) 7th round: BPA


Now, I know many of you are thinking, here we go, mortgage our future again, but these trades make us younger (Gaither and Marshall 24), and give us a chance to win now as well as years down the road. Thoughts?

I hope we never have a #4 draft pick again but this year we need to use it on the best OT in the draft. As there may be two when we pick I don't care which one.

Now comes the problems. First we don't need a QB. We now have the 5th best QB in the NFL. We should be set for the next three seasons.

What we need to do is try to trade Fat Albert for some players and/or draft picks. If Tenn is still interest lets trade. They have offered us a 2nd round pick for him This was his problem from the start. No team in the NFL would have paid him that kind of money. However, I would do this trade only on draft day because you never know what other teams may offer for the top DT in the NFL. Teams that want to draft Sue orthe other top OT may trade for AH as the money would be about the same. We could then take our OT and one of the top DT in the top of the same draft.
Never happen???? Don't bet on it. Tenn may also give us a player along with their 2nd round pick for Fat Albert.

[gorebd82]

Commenting on the OP's plan, I don't think Gaither is a great fit here and I've never liked Trent Williams. Also I don't think it's worth it to trade for Marshall. But I do like the idea of drafting Bradford if he falls to four.


I've been a proponent against signing Flozell Adams, but rumors are rampant both on here and rotoworld that we are interested. If they think he can play the ZBS, then sign him. Immediately.


I really wonder if we are going to the same old Shanny ZBS. Keeping Dockery, re-signing Rabach and BMW, plus targeting Flozell tells me that the scheme is going to have more Power elements than Shanny's old scheme. As for Free Agency, we should bring in Flozell and re-sign Levi Jones. I say all that to point out why I think targeting Gaither might make sense.

I'm becoming more and more of a fan trading back rather than taking Okung. Its hard to trade back and acquire more picks, but I wonder if we can trade back a couple of times to acquire players.

I think we should look to use our #4 pick to move back and acquire Brandon Marshall. Then we should move back again to acquire Jared Gaither. If we send #4 and Malcolm Kelly to the Broncos, we should be able to get #11 and Marshall (550 pt. difference). The Broncos would be in position to get Eric Berry or Gerald McCoy. We should then send #11 to the Ravens for Gaither and #25 (530 pt. difference). The Ravens would be moving up to get Dez Bryant or Joe Haden or Rolando McClain maybe.

At #25, we can take the best fat boy like Mount Cody, Ordrick, Iupati, Pouncey, Bruce Campbell, or Charles Brown. Or we can take a safety or maybe a LB like Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon, or Jerry Hughes.

Brandon Marshall, Jared Gaither and #25 is a much better haul than just Okung. It rids both teams of players they no longer want and they move up for better prospects without losing draft picks.

[papaskin]

Skins currently have 4th overall and 4, 5 and 7 picks.
Skins can both rebuild and reload if they just:

Swap Haynesworth and Carter to Bucs for 3rd overall or to Lions for 2nd overall
Swap Campbell and Moss to Panthers for a 3 and 4
Swap Rogers to Rams for Carriker
Swap Cooley to Balt for Gaither
Swap Landry to Dolphins for a 2
Swap McIntosh to Bills for a 3
Swap Kelly and a 3 to Broncos for Marshall
Swap 3rd overall to anyteam for a 2 and 3 and 20011 1st

Resulting in 4th overall and 2,2,3,3,4,4,5 and 7 picks
to select Okung, OL, QB, RB, ILB, NT/DT, DB, and BPA and BPA
and an extra 1 in 2011.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Talking about trading Campbell is not the same thing as endlessly repeating how much and why he sucks. Get it?


ah, so now its HOW we talk about a certain player. so constantly saying hes a poor QB is bad, but constantly talking about his trade value is ok.

LOL

[skins2victory]

Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.
Rebuild the O-Line.

X2, Would love to see us find a way to bring in Gaither from the Ravens.

[bulldog]

drafting Bradford doesn't do anything for us until 2012 at the earliest.

drafting a safety #1 is a move the Redskins have already made twice in the past 10 years.

safety is simply not one of the 'core' positions on your football team where you need to invest in for the long-term.

the Saints signed Darren Sharper, age 35, off the scrap heap and won the Super Bowl.

but they had the key spots, QB, LT locked down.

[heliKCx17]

-It means you should be punished with No New Threads. Probably thinks it should happen to you, because it appears more than a few people are annoyed by your thread.

Well, I apologize to those who don't like the thread, i think at least some people are interested judging by the responses. Sorry to those who feel otherwise!

[terrifNick21]

Well, I apologize to those who don't like the thread, i think at least some people are interested judging by the responses. Sorry to those who feel otherwise!

It's a good thread. Don't worry about the ones who aren't on the subject and more worried about you getting NNT'd.

[ConnSKINS26]

What we need to do is try to trade Fat Albert for some players and/or draft picks. If Tenn is still interest lets trade. They have offered us a 2nd round pick for him This was his problem from the start. No team in the NFL would have paid him that kind of money. However, I would do this trade only on draft day because you never know what other teams may offer for the top DT in the NFL. Teams that want to draft Sue orthe other top OT may trade for AH as the money would be about the same. We could then take our OT and one of the top DT in the top of the same draft.
Never happen???? Don't bet on it. Tenn may also give us a player along with their 2nd round pick for Fat Albert.

1. Tenn doesn't have a second round pick at all, and its SPECULATED that they've offered only a third. Try again.

2. AH will cost half what it will cost for a top-3 pick this year for a team, not the same.

[ConnSKINS26]

It's a good thread. Don't worry about the ones who aren't on the subject and more worried about you getting NNT'd.

I agree, the thread's not all bad. I think people are irked by the authoritarian tone and stipulations put into the OP. I kind of agreed with it, for the most part. Not the actual plan itself, but the idea of the thread.

[Ryko]

I've been a proponent against signing Flozell Adams, but rumors are rampant both on here and rotoworld that we are interested. If they think he can play the ZBS, then sign him. Immediately.

If anyone else knows more about the ZBS than I, feel free to chime in.

Then sign FS OJ Atogwe to an offer sheet and move Landry to SS.

Also, I'd like to cut a deal with the Raiders for Jason Campbell. If there's a team that would give us a second round pick for him, it's them.

If Okung falls to us at 4, I think we could trade that pick for Buffalo for their 9 and 41. Trent Williams is said to be better for the ZBS and is rated as a higher prospect (by some) anyway. I think Bulaga would go before him, so we would be safe.

Albert Haynesworth and Andre Carter for Tennessee's 1st. They run 4-3 and lost Vandenbosch. This is a deal they have to make.

Our draft then becomes:

1(9) Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
1(16) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
2(39) Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
2(41) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
4(103) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
5(135) LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
7(211) Travis Ivey, NT, Maryland

I really don't agree with trading Carter. Even though he might not be suited for 3-4, he is still a very good player and we can find some way to use him, but if the a fore mentioned situation happens, I would be a BIG PROPONENT of not taking two OT in the first round. Charles Brown, Kyle Calloway, and a few others are SOLID starting OT options in rounds 2+, and instead of using two first rounders on the same position, maybe take one of those first round tackles, and use the other pick on a void that we would now have in DL, say Dan Williams or Everson Griffin. Maybe even Iupati or a playmaker like Bryant or Spiller if they are around.

[terrifNick21]

I really don't agree with trading Carter.


You have to trade him now. He's coming off a double digit sack season and he's not getting any younger. Right now his value is as high as it's going to be. I don't believe he's going to be a good fit for the OLB in the 3-4. You have to get a pick or two for him while you can.

[heliKCx17]

You have to trade him now. He's coming off a double digit sack season and he's not getting any younger. Right now his value is as high as it's going to be. I don't believe he's going to be a good fit for the OLB in the 3-4. You have to get a pick or two for him while you can.

Agreed. This is a time we may get a bit of value for him, even if just a 6th or 7th rounder. We got Marko in that spot last year, so those picks are more valuable than a guy who is declining and isn't right for the system.

[Mahons21]

Well, I apologize to those who don't like the thread, i think at least some people are interested judging by the responses. Sorry to those who feel otherwise!

I didn't mean to insinuate I didn't like the thread. I personally think it has provoked some pretty interesting responses about what to do with the future. Some I feel are just a bit overly optimistic, but I'm excited to see how it all plays out. As one poster pointed out, we now know to expect the unexpected.

[Dro89]

how is it two different situations?

[AllAboutTheU]

I would be for trading Carter but only for a 3rd rounder. Nothing less. I mean the guy did have 11 sacks last year he has to have some sort of value to a 4-3 team.

[terrifNick21]

Teams with multiple 3rd round picks that need a good DE:

Arizona - besides Calais Campbell, they really have no one
Philadelphia - doubt we'd trade Carter there
Tennessee - need a DE to replace Vanden Bosch and Jevon Kearse. Possibility.
Cincinnati - don't really need a DE
Cleveland - they run a 3-4, too. Wouldn't want Carter likely.
Atlanta - see Cincinnati

Teams with multiple 4th round picks:

Cincinnati - see above
Philadelphia - see above


The only team I could see possibly trading for Carter would be Tennessee, but they don't have a 2nd round pick so I can't see them giving up one of their thirds for Carter. The only way I can see Carter dealt is if it's a player for player with us getting a 6th or 7th round pick back also.

[terrifNick21]

Skins currently have 4th overall and 4, 5 and 7 picks.
Skins can both rebuild and reload if they just:

Swap Haynesworth and Carter to Bucs for 3rd overall or to Lions for 2nd overall
Swap Campbell and Moss to Panthers for a 3 and 4
Swap Rogers to Rams for Carriker
Swap Cooley to Balt for Gaither
Swap Landry to Dolphins for a 2
Swap McIntosh to Bills for a 3
Swap Kelly and a 3 to Broncos for Marshall
Swap 3rd overall to anyteam for a 2 and 3 and 20011 1st

Resulting in 4th overall and 2,2,3,3,4,4,5 and 7 picks
to select Okung, OL, QB, RB, ILB, NT/DT, DB, and BPA and BPA
and an extra 1 in 2011.

:laugh: My lord that's a ton of trades.

[KDawg]

Is the OP a mod? I thought that took years to achive.

Geez, I've been here since '03 and I'm not a mod. I wish I had that kind of sway around here! :ols:



I would love to have Berry, I don't see it happening, but if we did trade AH for an early 1st, then I think we could afford to take Berry and Okung, then get a true NT in the 2nd. However, I don't honestly think AH is going anywhere and I don't think that, if he does, we're getting a first. Not this season anyway (I wish).


We can't get a NT in the 2nd. We don't have a 2nd round pick. It's been used on someone already, and he's our new starting quarterback :)

[mbws]

ah, so now its HOW we talk about a certain player. so constantly saying hes a poor QB is bad, but constantly talking about his trade value is ok.

LOL



Don't get that LOL all over yourself. It might leave a stain.
One is a fact, and yours is an opinion.