Redskins twitter: Haynesworth: I'm ok with 3-4

[heliKCx17]

http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html

Great article...makes you wonder how much of the 'douche-bag' side of Albert is just media speculation.

“At first I was a little iffy to it because I’ve never played in the 3-4. I don’t have a clue to how it’s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I’ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we’re doing that and I’m not just at one position, I’m fine, I’m fine with it.”

"Through my conversation with Haynesworth, I realized he is not the man he is made out to be by most members of the media. He is an extremely caring individual, he is down-to-earth, very talented, unselfish and surprisingly modest. These wonderful attributes of a human being are greatly deceiving to those thinking his off-the-field kindness will translate to on-the-field weakness."

With these coaching changes, Haynesworth now believes his team is more ready than ever to become a contender for postseason dreams in the NFL.

“The players, I think we have the pieces there. We just need a puzzle master to put it together. I don’t think we need a whole lot more changes. Maybe a couple more tweaks here and there. Right now I’m satisfied with the talent that we have.”

[kramdizzle]

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little

[DonMagicJuan]

that means....were all good?

NO! WE WANT DRAMA

TRADE HIM!

kidding....he just realized that he would lose money and waste time moving....

so good thing he said that, i think most fans wanted him out of here....

[Chicken Fried]

I'd still trade him for a first if we can.

[#98QBKiller]

As long as they're using Haynesworth to cause disruption to the opposing offense then we should all be happy. Blache didn't use him like that so he his talents weren't maximized, and I don't blame Big Al for being unhappy about that. I think he just doesn't want to get stuck in a similar role in the new defense, and he shouldn't be.

[SittingBull]

He admits to not having a clue yet thinks its best he's nowhere around to learn with his teammates.

[MattFancy]

I think AH being unhappy was all media speculation. It started with the possible change to the 3-4 and really took off when he did show up to the voluntary workouts. I think Haynesworth will be fine and have another great year.

[TheDiplomat]

he admits to not having a clue yet thinks its best he's nowhere around to learn with his teammates.

qft

[Dan T.]

Now can everybody douse the torches and put the pitchforks back in the shed?

[redskindan07]

As we all know the media has been accussed a time or two of creating drama to enhance stories

[jfr3ek]

now let's get this trade talk out of the air now! AH IS not and WILL not go anywhere.

[Santana_89]

Hasn't Haynesworth already said that he'd play wherever/whatever he was told??? So is this supposed to be "news". The D.C media blew this story way outta porportion ( what a surprise:rolleyes:).

[HigSkin]

Great article...makes you wonder how much of the 'douche-bag' side of Albert is just media speculation.

According to our ES insiders, the majority of it has been media speculation.

[Burgold]

As long as he causes disruption to the opposition and stops causing disruption for the Redskins, we'll all be happy.

He should still get his butt in town and practice with the team. Heck, if he wants a personal trainer, bring him along. It's not like he isn't rich enough to hire one and make him his personal guy.

[Califan007]

He's been saying stuff like this for awhile...the media took an oversimplification of his stance and ran with it because it spiced up articles and rumors. And of course fans ran with that same oversimplification spread by the media because it played into their perceptions of Haynesworth. Nothing about what he said about playing in a 3-4 defense is anything new to me, or to any of us, really. I think Shanahan's main (and possibly only) gripe is his insistence upon skipping anything voluntary...not his views on playing in the 3-4.

[SWFLSkins]

I just hope he is using this all as motivation and comes to camp in great shape. He can be a game changer when he is in there, just ask Carter and Orakpo.

[Califan007]

As long as he causes disruption to the opposition and stops causing disruption for the Redskins, we'll all be happy.

He should still get his butt in town and practice with the team. Heck, if he wants a personal trainer, bring him along. It's not like he isn't rich enough to hire one and make him his personal guy.
I think others have mentioned how the guys he's training with separately now most likely have a list of clients and wouldn't/couldn't just pack up and leave them high and dry because Haynesworth wants them in D.C., though. Which makes sense. If I spent a ton of time, energy, money and other resources building up my own business and attracting numerous clients, it would take an ungodly amount for me to fore go all of it for the needs and desires of one guy.

[Kelvin Bryant]

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little

I was just thinking that's probably not a coincidence.

[Hail-to-da-skins-21]

I'm still not ok with it ......I want someone who wants to win instead of someone who wants to put up good numbers

[Taylor 36]

Don't forget who the main culprit is/was with this AH drama: JLC. Is anyone surprised?

[MGutta]

Great post! Loved the article from start to finish... I really have a newfound respect for Albert. I was never one that wanted to get rid of him, but at the same time, I was never his biggest supporter, either. Put me down for the keep AH side now :)

[Idaho fan]

Good read.. another reminder of how we can't believe half of what we read. He has really been made out to be a whiner lately.

[gutlead74]

I haven't commented a lot on this for the simple fact of people are blowing this way out of proportion and reason wouldn't be heard.
He is working out just with his own trianer he is and always was going to show up for team activities.
He made a huge difference on our D line Carter with 11 sacks Rak as well he pushed the pocket and commanded double teams stats rarely reflect the true impact of a DT.

[Burgold]

I think others have mentioned how the guys he's training with separately now most likely have a list of clients and wouldn't/couldn't just pack up and leave them high and dry because Haynesworth wants them in D.C., though. Which makes sense. If I spent a ton of time, energy, money and other resources building up my own business and attracting numerous clients, it would take an ungodly amount for me to fore go all of it for the needs and desires of one guy.

Well... Haynesworth has an unGodly ammount :pfft:

Seriously though, he should be here if his coach wants him here. In a worse case scenario, he should arrange a schedule where he half times it there and here.

[kappaluvacee]

Actually, the message of this interview is not new. Alber said the same things in his Sirius interview. Search the threads. When you don't hear a guy speak the words yourself, you have to queestion some reporters interpretation. These days you are getting the reporters opinion more than good journalism. It's s bad, the reporters are copying and pasting each other's stories. That's sad. A true journalist wants his own unique perspective on a story, not something to beat the next guy to the beat.

[Audible_Red40]

Doan with the media. I hope AH adapts and continues to be a force.

[authentic]

I'd still trade him for a first if we can.

samehere, but if he's sincerely down with the program, then i'm not opposed to him staying. Because at the end of the day, when healthy, he's most definately a game changer.

[heliKCx17]

that means....were all good?

NO! WE WANT DRAMA

TRADE HIM!

kidding....he just realized that he would lose money and waste time moving....

so good thing he said that, i think most fans wanted him out of here....

But wait, did we ever see a quote from him saying he was pissed? It was 99.9% speculation!!

[Tay]

Actually, the message of this interview is not new. Alber said the same things in his Sirius interview. Search the threads. When you don't hear a guy speak the words yourself, you have to queestion some reporters interpretation. These days you are getting the reporters opinion more than good journalism. It's s bad, the reporters are copying and pasting each other's stories. That's sad. A true journalist wants his own unique perspective on a story, not something to beat the next guy to the beat.

Exactly! This is nothing new. Big Al said these same things a while ago. It's amazing how media "speculation" can cause a fan base to make false judgement of a player. The meeting that Al is speaking of took place shortly after Haslett was hired. I'm all for keeping Al. Even if he were traded for the #1 pick, we could only hope that the player drafted could match Big Al's ability.

[authentic]

Well... Haynesworth has an unGodly ammount :pfft:

Seriously though, he should be here if his coach wants him here. In a worse case scenario, he should arrange a schedule where he half times it there and here.

This is what I believe as well. it wouldn't have been so bad had AH came to a middle ground with the coach..."look coach i would like to work out on my own, but I could work out here at the facility for the first 2 weeks and the next 2-3 weeks work out with my guy. And then I will come back for minicamp in April"...I don't think this would be too much to ask IMO.

[Dick Edds]

I have lost a lot of respect for Jason Reid over this story ... Haynesworth did a Sirius radio interview and said as much a month ago in this twitter message.

Maybe they were trying to trade him because his contract is so ridiculous, and I donlt doubt that those options were explored. This is a business and everyone is expendable. That being said, the level of "anger/resentment" ... coloring the picture as some kind of stand-off between Haynesworth and Shanahan every day for the last 2 weeks by Jason Reid wreaks of unprofessional journalism, something i would attribute to a site like PFT.

But hey, if that's the direction the Post wants to go in, then so be it. I know its the off-season, but I personally think that JReid and Post have sunk to a lower level of reporting with this topic. There are plenty of other constructive topics to discuss. And the thought that "drama" is what gives you the ratings, IMO is only a temporary thing. I want real journalism, real interviews and none of the "anonymous source" BS being the meat behind every article topic.

[dadirtbags]

well im not trying to defend the media...but what is a player to say in this situation if he hates it? "the new 3-4 sucks and i hate my team mates...oh and btw...hate our new coach because he wants me to workout with the team" LOL!!!!!

[Califan007]

Well... Haynesworth has an unGodly ammount :pfft:
:ols:...I was actually thinking that very same thing as I typed that lol :yes:.

Haynesworth: "I'll pay you $20 million to be my personal trainer for a year..."

Me: "SOLD!!"



Seriously though, he should be here if his coach wants him here. In a worse case scenario, he should arrange a schedule where he half times it there and here.

I am of the belief that he should be there 100% of the time, and that there MUST be some sort of possible solution to the whole training issue that would appease both sides. I'm also of the belief that, ultimately, his not being there for anything that's voluntary will mean little in the grand scheme of things, and that if Haynesworth (or any player) really IS genuine and a team-first player and brings all of his incredible talents to the field in practice and during the season, the whole thing will evaporate like a snowflake on a cat's tongue.

I'm just glad that he had a sit-down with Shanahan beforehand instead of doing it the way players did in the past: just don't show up, don't call, have your agent do all the talking in the media and have your coaches always claiming they can't reach you. If a player IS gonna skip those things that they're not required to attend, this was the right way to approach it.

[heliKCx17]

Another quote from the article:

"Through my conversation with Haynesworth, I realized he is not the man he is made out to be by most members of the media. He is an extremely caring individual, he is down-to-earth, very talented, unselfish and surprisingly modest. These wonderful attributes of a human being are greatly deceiving to those thinking his off-the-field kindness will translate to on-the-field weakness."

I don't think the guy is the ass the media makes him out to be. And I'm usually harsh on our players.

[Hardcore Zornography]

For all you old timers, did you all have a huge problem with Dave Butz, John Riggins, and other Redskins greats who never did anything with the team in the offseason, including actual training camp, but finally showed up the day before the season started and did great?

Well, with Albert, we aren't even talking about training camp, we are talking about VOLUNTARY workouts. He has stated from the beginning that he would be here for anything that is mandatory.

So I will admit that yeah I would rather him be here with the rest of the team, but he doesn't have to be at the present time.

And unlike some of the past Skins who are now Ring of Fame and Hall of Famers, he will be here for camp and he will be here for OTA's. This thing has been blown out of major proportions from the beginning, and I am glad that the truth is finally coming out from Albert himself.

[Wyndorf25]

I really hope Al and Shanny will kiss and make up. Al is far too talented to be traded but he also must understand that a new direction for the team as a whole is in order and that is what Shanny is trying to instill in the players.

As long as Al's attitude does not become poisonous, then I expect things to work out fine once training camp starts. This 3-4 switch could really help AL once he realizes that playing all over the line can cause so many match-up problems for opponents.

[sjinhan]

This is what I believe as well. it wouldn't have been so bad had AH came to a middle ground with the coach..."look coach i would like to work out on my own, but I could work out here at the facility for the first 2 weeks and the next 2-3 weeks work out with my guy. And then I will come back for minicamp in April"...I don't think this would be too much to ask IMO.

AH seems like a nice guy but he also seems little stubborn on his ways... AH did comprise on the workout situation last year and he had a subpar year. Even though this is a new set of coaches, AH is probably little cautious about giving ground on the offseason workout program again this year... AH is just going back to old workout program because he KNOWS what the end results will be if he sticks with it.

[SkinFromNepal]

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little

No I don't think so... I think reporters and people like us made a big deal and kept saying whatever we had in mind when in reality he is not that bad a guy and HE IS A GREAT PLAYER for few years to come.

[SkinFromNepal]

AH seems like a nice guy but he also seems little stubborn on his ways... AH did comprise on the workout situation last year and he had a subpar year. Even though this is a new set of coaches, AH is probably little cautious about giving ground on the offseason workout program again this year... AH is just going back to old workout program because he KNOWS what the end results will be if he sticks with it.

Yes you nailed it... he did not take any chance as he knows he doesn't have many years left before he starts sliding down. So I guess did not want to waste a year playing like last year. He is good.

[Califan007]

This is what I believe as well. it wouldn't have been so bad had AH came to a middle ground with the coach..."look coach i would like to work out on my own, but I could work out here at the facility for the first 2 weeks and the next 2-3 weeks work out with my guy. And then I will come back for minicamp in April"...I don't think this would be too much to ask IMO.

AH seems like a nice guy but he also seems little stubborn on his ways... AH did comprise on the workout situation last year and he had a subpar year. Even though this is a new set of coaches, AH is probably little cautious about giving ground on the offseason workout program again this year... AH is just going back to old workout program because he KNOWS what the end results will be if he sticks with it.

I've read others here also say that the only way to truly have a successful training regimen like AH apparently wants to have is to stick with it 100% and not trade off 50% of it...that it's prepared, scheduled and planned out far enough in advance to maximize the results. A "4 weeks with me, 4 weeks with them" approach would ruin everything. Or something like that lol.

[SkinsGuy]

He admits to not having a clue yet thinks its best he's nowhere around to learn with his teammates.

Learn what?

They aren't "implementing" anything yet.

They are just running an exercise routine, weight lifting, and maybe running and tossing a few footballs.

Relax. He's not missing anything important like game planning.

[RedskinTerrorist]

Actually, the message of this interview is not new. Alber said the same things in his Sirius interview. Search the threads. When you don't hear a guy speak the words yourself, you have to queestion some reporters interpretation. These days you are getting the reporters opinion more than good journalism. It's s bad, the reporters are copying and pasting each other's stories. That's sad. A true journalist wants his own unique perspective on a story, not something to beat the next guy to the beat.

Amen.

I remember reading the original transcript from that interview and thinking that Albert wasn't really bagging the 3-4 or any of the changes this offseason. He basically said that the reason he is training on his own is because that is how he did every off season when he was a force. He trained with the team last year, and was not a force. Seems like solid logic.

And to be honest, I heard more speculation of a trade here on ES than ESPN or any other media source.

[nightbird]

The best part of the interview was when AH said:

"during the first hours of free agency, they were telling me I would be allowed to just go dominate and let loose, because they want to be just like the Tennessee defense."

So basically, Vinny was talking out of his arse and blowing all the smoke he could in order to get this notch in his belt and negotiate this ridiculous comment.

Because we all know Blache wasn't on the phone with AH at 2 am telling him that he'd just let him play how he wants.

[GibbsFactor]

"Through my conversation with Haynesworth, I realized he is not the man he is made out to be by most members of the media. He is an extremely caring individual, he is down-to-earth, very talented, unselfish and surprisingly modest. These wonderful attributes of a human being are greatly deceiving to those thinking his off-the-field kindness will translate to on-the-field weakness."

”

I found it hilarious that he still gets qualified as "very talented" with all the other superlatives.

Remember, he is very talented!

[Hitman#21]

Can't wait for these rumors to go away!

[Santana_89]

Don't forget who the main culprit is/was with this AH drama: JLC. Is anyone surprised?


Not at all ,but don't forget his bff J Reid ;) and even Kelli Johnson is/was stirring the pot.
http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn

Shanahan & Jeff Fisher are also very good friends;trading Haynesworth would give Shanny support from lockeroom; more on csnwashington.com 10:01 AM Apr 7th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11765999807) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

NFL source tells me Wash is trying 2 trade Haynesworth 2 Tenn & DL coach Jim Washburn, who I'm told is only coach to earn Albert's respect. 9:56 AM Apr 7th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11765809608) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

Still stand by my source, the Redskins have been shopping Haynesworth, there just aren't any takers right now. 8:19 AM Apr 7th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11761402367) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

@DJShap (http://twitter.com/DJShap) There have been rumblings about Shanahan being interested in reuniting w/B Marshall, but sunday's deal 4 (cont) http://tl.gd/p4452 (http://tl.gd/p4452) 8:47 PM Apr 6th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11737340338) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/) in reply to DJShap (http://twitter.com/DJShap/status/11717577499)

@willharding (http://twitter.com/willharding) I think they want some of that money back! But more than anything, I think Shanahan just wants to get rid of Haynesworth 8:34 PM Apr 6th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11736769043) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/) in reply to willharding (http://twitter.com/willharding/status/11725354789)

@rkmert (http://twitter.com/rkmert) thank you! Had fun interviewing w/ McNabb... Cool guy 8:33 PM Apr 6th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11736690314) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/) in reply to rkmert (http://twitter.com/rkmert/status/11726289231)

I have confirmed that the Redskins are shopping DT Albert Haynesworth, but so far there are NO takers. 4:03 PM Apr 6th (http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11723736624) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

[pray4surf]

he should arrange a schedule where he half times it there and here.

Yes, he should have compromised. If anything at least show the new coach you are willing to meet half way. This was the only thing that disappointed me about AH and this whole episode.

[TK]

:munchout:

[GibbsFactor]

:munchout:

You suck!

[TheShredder]

I don't believe that the media is alone in everything. Let's not be naive about media speculation.... You've got 3 sides to 'rumors' and 'speculation':

1) The media who wants to create a story and drama.
2) The organization who can and does manipulate the media.
3) The player who can and will manipulate the media or get sick of the media and/or not give a damn about BS stories and not say a damn thing.

I tend to believe that the organization through out the AH trade scenario to the Eagles as a negotiating tactic and very well would have required AH to give back some signing bonus to facilitate that trade before it would have been finished.

I tend to believe that AH was pissed about last year and wants to get back in Pro Bowl condition for the 2010 season and is doing what got him there. (I have to add that I don't know if he previously participated in voluntaries in previous years. Maybe someone has that info?) I would add that AH very well could be expected to speak up about being stuck at NT when he witnesses a new system coming into fold that he has no experience with.

I would say that the media got tipped off from someone on the Eagles side that AH's name was in the initial negotiations for McNabb. That would make sense for the Eagles to leak that sort of controversial info to the media. The Eagles knew what they were doing.

With those thoughts I come to the logical conclusion that Mr. Allen and Mr. Shannahan are consistent. When the media or another team attempts to create drama in this new organization the results are always going to be the same. They will say the same thing that they will always say and not reveal their hand. They will not play into the hands of the media or another organization and allow for those issues to create problems within the organization. The catch phrases are going to be:

'We will always do what's best to improve our football team."

'(So and so) is a great player and we have high expectations for him this year.'

This organization is not going to allow one player to poison the team. They will play hardball and require compliance. They will not be forced to do anything and can and will handle attitudes, from anyone, intelligently.

These are not the Redskins we have suffered with over the last number of years. This is a very skilled and intelligent organization and I would expect that we will be very proud!

HTTR!!!
:point2sky

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

I've read others here also say that the only way to truly have a successful training regimen like AH apparently wants to have is to stick with it 100% and not trade off 50% of it...that it's prepared, scheduled and planned out far enough in advance to maximize the results. A "4 weeks with me, 4 weeks with them" approach would ruin everything. Or something like that lol.

That sounds totally reasonable to me.

You always hear players say "I want to be the best player I can be," or "I want to be the best player for my team." But, you rarely hear guys say "I want to be the best player in the league." Haynesworth has very high standards for himself and if you read PART I (http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/3/31/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-i.html) of this article you will see this.

He wants to have the best charity/foundation. He's got the fastest boat with the best paint jobs. He studies homes around the world so that his house will be the best. On his TrainLikeAPro website he says: “I think it could be one of the largest internet companies in the world, literally." He's building the largest motorcycle dealership in Tenn. You get the point... Big Al wants to be the biggest and best around.

After reading this article, I no longer care where he works out. He knows what he's doing and he's going to help us have one of the more dominate defenses in the league this year.

[pray4surf]

:munchout:
I hate when you do that......especially because I don't know what's going on......aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

[CallMeGreen]

How can these latest comments from Haynesworth be anything but good news? It could be a bit of PR work on his part, but I'm hoping it's closer to him coming on board with the new regime. I think we'd all love for him to be here and be all we hoped he would be. I can certainly let all the dirt go away (the rumors and the apparent sniping between AH and team).

Still of concern in my mind is the very idea that AH did seem to be dangled to Philly in the McNabb trade. Perhaps because of the timing of things, that was just to save having to pay the $21M bonus and nothing more than that. Once someone comes up as trade bait, that's often a move that causes irreparable damage.

[#98QBKiller]

Can't wait for these rumors to go away!

They will when Big Al sacks Kevin Kolb for a 7-yard loss on the opening play of opening day in Sept. :D

[TK]

You suck!
Several of us here tried to tell you guys. Don't hate the player, hate the media. :)

[redskins55]

For all you old timers, did you all have a huge problem with Dave Butz, John Riggins, and other Redskins greats who never did anything with the team in the offseason, including actual training camp, but finally showed up the day before the season started and did great?

Well, with Albert, we aren't even talking about training camp, we are talking about VOLUNTARY workouts. He has stated from the beginning that he would be here for anything that is mandatory.

So I will admit that yeah I would rather him be here with the rest of the team, but he doesn't have to be at the present time.

And unlike some of the past Skins who are now Ring of Fame and Hall of Famers, he will be here for camp and he will be here for OTA's. This thing has been blown out of major proportions from the beginning, and I am glad that the truth is finally coming out from Albert himself.

A great way to put it!

Look at the young player now like you looked at your idols growing up. For heavens sake, Riggins and the o-line used to go drink beer after practice.. Come on man! lol

[Hitman#21]

They will when Big Al sacks Kevin Kolb for a 7-yard loss on the opening play of opening day in Sept. :D

Oh how sweet that would be!!!!

[The Tris]

we aren't even talking about training camp, we are talking about VOLUNTARY workouts.

I couldn't help myself....

"Its easy to talk about, its easy to sum it up when you just talk about practice. We sittin' in here, I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talkin' about practice. I mean listen, we talkin bout practice. Not a game, not a game, not a game. We talkin bout practice. Not a game, not a, not a, not the game that I go out there and die for, and play every game like its my last. Not the game. We talkin' bout practice, man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin' bout practice. I know I'm supposed to be there, I know I'm supposed to lead by example. I know that, and I'm not shovin' it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know its important, I do. I honestly do. But we talkin' bout practice, man. What are we talkin' bout? Practice? We talkin' bout practice man. We talk... We talkin' bout practice. We talkin' bout practice. We ain't talkin' bout the game, we talkin' bout practice, man. When you come into the arena, and you see me play, you see me play, don't you? You see me give everything I got, right? But we talkin' bout practice right now. We talkin' bout practice. Man look, I hear you, its funny to me too. I mean, its strange, its strange to me too. But we talkin' bout practice man. We not even talkin' bout the game, the actual game, when it matters. We talkin' bout practice."



More seriously, at the end of the day, I would like him to be here when the coaches want him to be. But we were never going to get fair value or anything close to replacement cost for Albert in a trade for draft picks, so the team is going to have to manage his personality quirks and hope that come mini camps, he is hungry to proven he is still one of the most dominant players in the NFL.

[Orakpophobia]

Shanny the Puzzle Master. I like it.

[jtpop]

The only thing that bothers me about Albert is the fact to be a team leader you need to set the example. Not being with your teammates during off season conditioning I find to be troublesome. As to where he ends up in the 3-4 NT or End he can be effective either place and be disruptive. I would not trade him, I would take someone of his talent and put him in the best situation to succeed.

[heliKCx17]

Several of us here tried to tell you guys. Don't hate the player, hate the media. :)

whoa...maybe this guy does know what he's talking about :silly:

[Blue Collar Skins]

http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html

Great article...makes you wonder how much of the 'douche-bag' side of Albert is just media speculation. Honestly, I think it is mostly the media. The fans read what the media has stated, and take it as fact. It's not. The media does get it wrong...a lot.

[authentic]

I've read others here also say that the only way to truly have a successful training regimen like AH apparently wants to have is to stick with it 100% and not trade off 50% of it...that it's prepared, scheduled and planned out far enough in advance to maximize the results. A "4 weeks with me, 4 weeks with them" approach would ruin everything. Or something like that lol.

Don't get me wrong. I would much prefer 100%....But, the way he handled it, it just seemed that he just didn't care what the coach wanted. It would have been a little better had he compromised some....

[da#1skinsfan]

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little

Riiiiight.

The media has completely twisted Hayesworth's image since the day he got here to whatever will get attention. Haynesworth has always had this attitude...even when he suffered through Blatche's ridiculous misuse of him through umpteen games.

[The Tris]

The only thing that bothers me about Albert is the fact to be a team leader you need to set the example. Not being with your teammates during off season conditioning I find to be troublesome.

I agree with you to a certain point, but I am not sure the intention of signing AH was to get a great player AND a locker room leader. Just because he has the biggest contract on the team doesn't mean he is the biggest leader on the team.

Here (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/top25.aspx?year=2009) are the top paid players in the NFL for 2009.

Outside of QB, a lot of those guys are not what you would call leaders.

Heck, out of the top 4 paid Redskins last year (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?team=32&year=2009) (AH, Moss, Hall, Landry), none are leaders.

Usually your highest paid player is a leader b/c usually your highest paid player is the QB, a natural position of leadership. But much of the time when the highest paid player isn't the QB, they are not the leaders of the team, and Haynesworth is no exception to that.

He wasn't a leader in Tenn, and he's not a leader here. We need to stop expecting Haynesworth to become some sort of leader just because he was paid a lot of money. He is an elite player, and compensated as such. But he's never going to be a lead by example guy, and he's never going to be a bigger leader than London. So let's stop expecting a tiger to change its stripes and instead judge him by his play alone, because that is why we paid him.




EDIT: And thus far, his play has been good, but not best defensive player in the NFL good. We can try and blame this on several things, but bottomline is that he is not playing up to his compensation. And that is only further magnified by these outside distractions. If he plays like he played in 2007 and 2008, this whole "leadership" issue will be moot and will go away.

[kingdaddy]

He admits to not having a clue yet thinks its best he's nowhere around to learn with his teammates.


And he's arguably the key player in the whole thing. Makes you appreciate the Reggie White's and the Bruce Smith's even more

[CallMeGreen]

Several of us here tried to tell you guys. Don't hate the player, hate the media. :)


whoa...maybe this guy does know what he's talking about :silly:
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. J/K, but seriously, the thing that makes me feel better about this is finally hearing something POSITIVE coming directly from Haynesworth.


...And thus far, his play has been good, but not best defensive player in the NFL good. We can try and blame this on several things, but bottomline is that he is not playing up to his compensation. ...
Your points about the leaders of this team are not lost. But while his play wasn't up to the level we expected, few players on this team performed at the level I expected. Let's hope the new leadership from Shanahan on up will change all that.

[darrelgreenie]

Actually, the message of this interview is not new. Alber said the same things in his Sirius interview. Search the threads. When you don't hear a guy speak the words yourself, you have to queestion some reporters interpretation. These days you are getting the reporters opinion more than good journalism. It's s bad, the reporters are copying and pasting each other's stories. That's sad. A true journalist wants his own unique perspective on a story, not something to beat the next guy to the beat.

+1
question:Host/Rich Gannon: “Do you think, if they make the switch, you’re a guy who as you’ve said never played the 3-4. I don’t know that you’d want to play the nose or that would really take advantage of your strengths and your abilities. I don’t see them really moving you outside to play the end position on normal down and distances. Do you think that there would come a situation where maybe you wouldn’t be a good fit for the Redskins?”

Haynesworth: “Well, I don’t want to really say that. I mean, we’ve got a good coach and all that stuff. I’m just going to be, whatever they ask me to do, that’s what I’m going to do. I’m not going to be a distraction or anything so I’m just going to do what they ask me to do.”


http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/03/22/albert-haynesworth-speaks-about-the-3-4-offseason-workouts/


Adam_Schefter: Despite rampant speculation, Redskins NOT shopping Albert Haynesworth and haven't had any trade discussions regarding him since March 31.

[GibbsFactor]

Several of us here tried to tell you guys. Don't hate the player, hate the media. :)

So, hopefully, you're in agreement with this thread and had been trying to tell us all along that all is good in 92land.

[The Tris]

Your points about the leaders of this team are not lost. But while his play wasn't up to the level we expected, few players on this team performed at the level I expected. Let's hope the new leadership from Shanahan on up will change all that.

Agreed, my point was only meet to convey that the flaws he had coming in have only been magnified by the team's, and his, disappointing season.

He was never meant to be a leader, and I think he has become an easy, and to some degree unfair, target for the frustrations of this season.

[jtyler42]

He admits to not having a clue yet thinks its best he's nowhere around to learn with his teammates.

Don't cherry pick the quote...that's intellectualy dishonest...

He then said afterwards that he talked with Haslett to understand how we will run the D and use him in it and he said he was fine...

[Timmy Smith]

A happy Big Al makes me happy. Dude is an absolute monster when he's on his game.

[paloosa]

WOW! The media was wrong. Imagine that. All that talk and Haynesworth comes out to say that he is ok with everything about the team. JLC is an idiot that believes that he has insider information but in reality he is just another weasel just chasing his tail. Vinny Cerrato and Jim Zorn are gone so no knee jerk reactions are going to happen. If they had valid information then wouldn't he have been traded ny now? I think so but the information is like a monkey that flings his poo*. Something will eventually stick.

[Lavarleap56]

Media has a agenda most of the time. Alot of just pure bs speculation out there in regards to al and cp.

[Truant]

People (fans/media) completely overreacted to the situation. The sad thing is that some people won't read this and their opinions won't change.

[Travdaskin]

Kool. Let's get this show on the road. IT'S GO TIME! Be beastly this year Mr. Haynesworth!

[dfbovey]

Did they, or did they not try to send Haynesworth to the Eagles for McNabb?

[RenegadeTK]

interesting read. i hope Big Al stays on this squad because the bottom line is, he will make us better.

[F Landry]

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
Guess that didn't last long...

[Skins4SB]

I think the media has been blowing things out of proportion. I hope Big Al stays here. I believe he will contribute big time this season. If we continue to see what we saw last year, then I'd agree it would be best to ship him.

[Chump Bailey]

Keep Albert. What we get in exchange likely won't be worth it at all.

[Dblock804]

Now can everybody douse the torches and put the pitchforks back in the shed?

Funny. I would like to see some production before he's run out of town. With a little effort big Al could be a force.

[rk3025]

He admits that he is not familar with Shanny's new defensive system but still says he does not want to waste 3 days in camp.
Character???

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little

[Skinsfan4life83]

He admits that he is not familar with Shanny's new defensive system but still says he does not want to waste 3 days in camp.
Character???

And a 3 day voluntary mini camp will teach him everything about the 3-4? Think before you post. And it's actually HASLETT'S scheme not Shanny's

[HailNatsSkinz]

And a 3 day voluntary mini camp will teach him everything about the 3-4? Think before you post. And it's actually HASLETT'S scheme not Shanny's


No it won't but it would be a very good first step in learning the system. I think it's pretty stupid for AH not to attend the first minicamp.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

A first would still be nice for him ;)

[Arsenic]

:)

I've been waiting for this..

HaiL!

[Spear]

People who are prone to hysterics will always be hysterical. This will only sooth them for so long.

[thesubmittedone]

This is why I've hardly responded in any of the "Haynesworth vs. Skins FO" threads. It's just been a massive amount of speculation and nothing more. We'll see how it shakes out from here, he could still end up being traded but I'd still think JLC and others were lying about what they knew the entire time, lol.

[HoggLife]

As long as Haynesworth is okay with playing in the 3-4 I would rather keep him. The only thing that I would be happy is trading him to the Lions for their #2 pick and getting Sue. Haynesworth moving from DT and DE is gonna cause big problems. I think he is right by us having the pieces and now we just need the mastermind (Shanny) to do his magic.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

We'll see how it shakes out from here, he could still end up being traded but I'd still think JLC and others were lying about what they knew the entire time, lol.

Agreed, I would not be shocked if Al were traded but it wouldn't mean the substance of the personality conflicts that JR and JLC are reporting was correct. Don't truss em.

[Probos]

Oh,....I'm glad AH is "OK" with playing in the 3-4.

[herb mul-key]

The media pulls material out of their ass and it pisses me off...J reid, P king...all of them who hate on Albert are lazy full of **** wannabe reporters...do your damn job j reid you lazy ****!

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

He's been saying stuff like this for awhile...the media took an oversimplification of his stance and ran with it because it spiced up articles and rumors. And of course fans ran with that same oversimplification spread by the media because it played into their perceptions of Haynesworth. Nothing about what he said about playing in a 3-4 defense is anything new to me, or to any of us, really. I think Shanahan's main (and possibly only) gripe is his insistence upon skipping anything voluntary...not his views on playing in the 3-4.


I hadn't seen the article, and now that I have I do feel a better, but I gotta be honest the whole article looks like a PR/Puffer piece. I wonder why this was not picked up by other media outlets, even the one's who are NOT pushing these stories of discontent. It's not like that is a reputable news organization, just sayin. Assuming those are really his words than great, still doesn't mean we wouldn't trade him. The certainty that this wouldn't happen is just hilarious though. For the record I hope your right. I'm outta this thread and hope to never return.

[theDCfan]

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little

All he cares about is the money though, so that couldn't be it :pfft:

[SnyderMustGo]

"Through my conversation with Haynesworth, I realized he is not the man he is made out to be by most members of the media. He is an extremely caring individual, he is down-to-earth, very talented, unselfish and surprisingly modest. These wonderful attributes of a human being are greatly deceiving to those thinking his off-the-field kindness will translate to on-the-field weakness.

Who just so happens to stomp on defenseless people's faces with cleats and practically kill people on the highway without remorse. What a sweet guy.

[mi6]

And a 3 day voluntary mini camp will teach him everything about the 3-4? Think before you post. And it's actually HASLETT'S scheme not Shanny's

No it won't make him a master of the system. But, at least he would become more familiar with the nomenclature, and the schemes.

If he was creative, he could give input to the Defensive Coordinator on where and how he could be most effectively used.

That would be a lot better than pouting.

[mi6]

samehere, but if he's sincerely down with the program, then i'm not opposed to him staying. Because at the end of the day, when healthy, he's most definately a game changer.

As other NFL players have noted, "FAT" Al gets gased, and fakes injuries to get off the field. He needs to work really hard on his conditioning, and stamina.

[Califan007]

Who just so happens to stomp on defenseless people's faces with cleats and practically kill people on the highway without remorse. What a sweet guy.

Without remorse, eh? Even you can't...wait a minute, look who I'm talking to lol :ols:...

[authentic]

As long as he causes disruption to the opposition and stops causing disruption for the Redskins, we'll all be happy.

He should still get his butt in town and practice with the team. Heck, if he wants a personal trainer, bring him along. It's not like he isn't rich enough to hire one and make him his personal guy.

^^agreed 100% :)

[AllAboutTheU]

People just need to stop worrying about Albert and let him do his thing as he gets ready for camp. He's not being traded and he's going to be starting as the NT in our 3-4 defense.

[Old Dominion Monarch 06]

Who just so happens to stomp on defenseless people's faces with cleats and practically kill people on the highway without remorse. What a sweet guy.
as long as he doesn't get caught doing something that'd keep him from any amount of games I'm good with him. This defense needs him, period.

[terpfan]

People just need to stop worrying about Albert and let him do his thing as he gets ready for camp. He's not being traded and he's going to be starting as the NT in our 3-4 defense.

No! End! Plug some fat space eater into the middle. Maybe play Albert there on passing downs or something.

[SAli457180]

IMO, the FO really couldn't find the right asking price for Haynesworth and in the end, they realized that he's going to be here for at least 1 more year. Shanahan know they've got a pain in the @ss on their hands, but will have to make due this year.

[Playsmart30]

amazing how talk of being traded to the lions changes the attitude a little


I dont know where fans and media is talking about Big Al Attitude. I see no attitude coming from him. Media is the one saying he dont want to play but all thing from him is saying other wise

[2STaylor1]

rumor has it that hes looking to lose about 60 pounds and play LB.....

[Newera]

After the draft Big Al knew he had lost all leverage. Might as well go with the flow. After all, he has been paid.

[PortlandSkins]

I'm sorry, I missed the part where it says he is reporting to redskins facility tomorrow.

[Pedro]

After the draft Big Al knew he had lost all leverage. Might as well go with the flow. After all, he has been paid.

The OP was way before the draft.

[E-Dog Night]

I don't know why some of you say you'd still want to trade him. He's perhaps the most dominant force at his position in the NFL, and if he's on board with what the new coaching staff is trying to do (and maybe not such a bad guy after all), then why would you want to trade him?

[ABSTRACT]

I don't know why some of you say you'd still want to trade him. He's perhaps the most dominant force at his position in the NFL, and if he's on board with what the new coaching staff is trying to do (and maybe not such a bad guy after all), then why would you want to trade him?


People just need something to ****** about. How about he was out of shape because our strength and conditioning program has been ***** for the past 10 years (see hamstrings)...and the man is in his prime...

Anyways...Albert is gonna rip heads off playing the DE...enuff said.....

[Spartacus87]

I don't know why some of you say you'd still want to trade him. He's perhaps the most dominant force at his position in the NFL, and if he's on board with what the new coaching staff is trying to do (and maybe not such a bad guy after all), then why would you want to trade him?
I don't think that many people actually want to trade him.

It's just a very vocal small group who just keep touting the same old Sam Huff remarks about him being out of shape or lazy, or buying into JLC/Jason Reid's agendas despite how many times JLC and Reid have been incorrect in the past.

[AllAboutTheU]

You don't trade someone that you pay 100 million dollars... some people.

[stoney26]

People just need something to ****** about. How about he was out of shape because our strength and conditioning program has been ***** for the past 10 years (see hamstrings)...and the man is in his prime...

Anyways...Albert is gonna rip heads off playing the DE...enuff said.....

Its pretty crazy that people want to trade our best player because hes not going to voluntary workouts. I wish someone would compile a list of all the players throughout the league that arent working out with the team.

[cphil006]

He's a pretty well-spoken dude that makes a lot of money. He's never done anything while on the Redskins to really cause the hate...

I'm rooting for him to have a great year for us.

[E-Dog Night]

I hadn't seen the article, and now that I have I do feel a better, but I gotta be honest the whole article looks like a PR/Puffer piece. I wonder why this was not picked up by other media outlets, even the one's who are NOT pushing these stories of discontent. It's not like that is a reputable news organization.

This is an excellent point, and shame on me - I almost always check the source in these cases but I neglected to do so here. I've never even heard of them. And the following passage is pretty suspect...can you imagine a Washington Post beat writing using these words? Not in a million years. I think the writer of the piece got a nice check from Albert. :ols:

"Through my conversation with Haynesworth, I realized he is not the man he is made out to be by most members of the media. He is an extremely caring individual, he is down-to-earth, very talented, unselfish and surprisingly modest. These wonderful attributes of a human being are greatly deceiving to those thinking his off-the-field kindness will translate to on-the-field weakness."


Even if this is spoon fed, it still shows a willingness on Haynesworth's part to try and be a team player. I think. :whoknows:

[MurrayH81]

Well, let's see. It's not like many people know first hand what has really happened with AH. Him, his agent maybe, and about 5 people (owner, gm, coach, def coach and position coach). How many reports had him traded as a done deal this last several months. Clearly they were wrong, legit media or not.

I won't pretend to know AH. But perhaps he has a plan to be in the very best shape he can be in to play football and hired a guy for that purpose. Why on earth would he just throw all that in the toilet and subject himself to what is going on at Redskins Park?

As extremely unpopular as it is with our fan base, let's take a step back and focus on the positive, and/or deal with factual stuff for once. The media has wagged us too hard and too long, yes?

[The Diesel]

Count me as one who didn't read this when it first appeared. It changes my perspective on the entire drama. The guy said he doesn't have a problem with the defense after talking to Shanahan and/or Haslett. That's good enough for me to believe this has all been drastically overblown.

That being said, I don't even like the premise that he feels he has the right to "sign off" on how we plan to use him. We're the boss. He is the (extremely well paid) employee. The way it works is we tell him what we want him to do and he tries to do that to the best of his abilities. Period.

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't think that many people actually want to trade him.

It's just a very vocal small group who just keep touting the same old Sam Huff remarks about him being out of shape or lazy, or buying into JLC/Jason Reid's agendas despite how many times JLC and Reid have been incorrect in the past.

Yeah I think you're absolutely right about this. I can't think of many Redskins fans that actually ever wanted him gone (and for such a ****ty return too). The people who did want to trade him never seemed to come up with a good reason to do so other than that he was 28 years old and the thinking was we could get a first round pick for him.

BTW, what's with the signature Spartacus? Did you lose a bet?

[seancarter]

I don't know why some of you say you'd still want to trade him. He's perhaps the most dominant force at his position in the NFL, and if he's on board with what the new coaching staff is trying to do (and maybe not such a bad guy after all), then why would you want to trade him?


Because people are stupid. Look at how our DE's benefited from him. You can't just swap out a player like him.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

group hug for princess Albert, I hope this is true and he is a fantasitic team mate, spends lots of time with sick kids, signs every autograph and plays his rear off. He still needs to be here, period. We will see in a couple weeks, if he shows up with a pissy attitude out of shape, his million dollar butt will ride the bench. If he shows up in shape, motivated we will all never question his training methods again. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have HUGE doubts.....Hail

[Sebowski]

As other NFL players have noted, "FAT" Al gets gased, and fakes injuries to get off the field. He needs to work really hard on his conditioning, and stamina.




1) Although Hayseworth appeared of shape i would venture that when you played more defensive snaps that almost every other DT and face double teams from guys weighing 300+lbs you might get a bit winded now and again, oh your book-DEnds Carter and Orakpo both had 11 sacks and BTW are the No.2 rated DT/NT in the NFL:
[QUOTE=stevemcqueen1;7268455]You know, I've been reading over the stats at profootballfocus.com and one thing that's really useful is they list the number of snaps every defender takes.

One thing I found shocking was how many snaps Albert takes compared to other players. Albert missed 3 games this year: weeks 11, 12, and 14 (or maybe PFF just didn't chart them). Yet he still played 573 snaps or well over 50% of our total snaps for the year. That averages to about 48 snaps a game. In the 12 games he did play and PFF charted, he played an astounding 72% of our defensive snaps.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_p...=25&numgames=1 (http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2008&pos=DT&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1)



He played at a high level too according to their charts: http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&lastname=H aynesworth&surn=Haynesworth&playerid=1022 (http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&lastname=Haynesworth&surn=Haynesworth&playerid=1022)





:owned:

[heliKCx17]

[QUOTE=darrelgreenie;7478517]

1) Although Hayseworth appeared of shape i would venture that when you played more defensive snaps that almost every other DT and face double teams from guys weighing 300+lbs you might get a bit winded now and again, oh your book-DEnds Carter and Orakpo both had 11 sacks and BTW are the No.2 rated DT/NT in the NFL:


:owned:


Yeah, I'm so tired of people talking about how he took plays off. Total BS.

[Hokieskins1]

I think that a lot of peoples hate around here for Albert comes from people being so used to the Redskins being in the headlines and making changes. I have found myself even buying into what the media is saying about him and then I go back and read the article about him being "OK" with the 3-4 scheme. People just want to make changes just to make changes for a false sense of optimism, and "hey maybe this was the move that will put us over the top". I get down on Albert when I read stuff saying we will trade him, he is not getting along with the new staff. Then I say, this guy is dominant when on the field and I really do want him to be here. The guy is the best in the league at his position and he is on our team!! I was shocked this weekend that people wanted a third or fourth round pick for the guy, that to me is just crazy, we would be dominated if something like that went down.

I am hoping that all of this can be put to rest and that he will be a part of this team for years to come. Sorry for the rant....

[jflow78]

A friend, who's a Cardinals fan, brought the "AH doesn't play enough" thing, and, thanks to you guys, I pointed him in the right direction. ("STFU", or something along those lines) :ols:

[U C S D SkinsFan]

Wow, just saw this article for the first time. I hope Fat Al is going to show up in good shape and ready to go when mandatory camp starts. He is a beast and is going to be disruptive if he buys into the system. I'm glad we didn't trade him now that I've read that article. We'll see if he can impress when camp starts.

[bulldog]

the article had me until the last paragraph where the writer opined that 'you don't have to worry about failure. you're a great player, etc.'

sounds like his mother wrote this............or his agent :)

[E-Dog Night]

the article had me until the last paragraph where the writer opined that 'you don't have to worry about failure. you're a great player, etc.'

sounds like his mother wrote this............or his agent :)

[thesubmittedone]

the article had me until the last paragraph where the writer opined that 'you don't have to worry about failure. you're a great player, etc.'

sounds like his mother wrote this............or his agent :)


:ols: I thought the same thing, just didn't mention it, lol. Maybe the guy just ended up really liking him?

[Siven]

Count me as one who didn't read this when it first appeared. It changes my perspective on the entire drama. The guy said he doesn't have a problem with the defense after talking to Shanahan and/or Haslett. That's good enough for me to believe this has all been drastically overblown.

That being said, I don't even like the premise that he feels he has the right to "sign off" on how we plan to use him. We're the boss. He is the (extremely well paid) employee. The way it works is we tell him what we want him to do and he tries to do that to the best of his abilities. Period.

I disagree. Haynesworth is our best player. You don't take London Fletcher and say, hey, you're going to play OLB AND LIKE IT OR ELSE. Players talk with the coaches during practice and games and every time between scheming how to put themselves in the best position to contribute.

Players shouldn't just sit with their mouths shut if they think an idea is bad. If he spoke to Shanahan or Haslett and offered his opinion and backed it up then whats wrong with that? I doubt he told the coaches "hey, no, **** you i'm doing it my way" probably what he told the coaches was "hey, i was used like this in tenn and I was ultra productive for these reasons, if we do this I can contribute to the best of my abilities and be an impact player and we can win some ballgames"

Aren't adults supposed to be able to talk and I don't know, act like adults?

[E-Dog Night]

Aren't adults supposed to be able to talk and I don't know, act like adults?

When their employer pays them 32 million dollars over the course of one year, adults show up at the company picnic, even though it wasn't mandatory.

[Redskins4ever]

As overgrown as Haynesworth is, he should be able to dominate in any defensive type of front, 46, 4-3, 0r 3-4. The fact that he just received a 21 million dollar bonus and then refused to come to minicamp does show he's not a team player. If he cared about the Redskins and winning, he would have shown up for mini camp.

[BadKarma]

Big AL was never the bad guy he was made out to be by the WP and the other local mediots who feel it is their duty to tear down the organization, I dislike Snyder too but I love the team and when the Redskins turn this thing around in 2010 I really hope the fans start voicing their opinion to the critics left who still feel it is their job to disparage our local teams.

[gorebd82]

For anyone that says Al should be here, I have to disagree. While I have complete faith that Shanny and Co. put together an outstanding training regimen, I can't fault Al for wanting to do what got him to the level of most dominant DL in the first place.

He played the good soldier last season and showed up for everything. That left him out of shape and facing criticism from every direction. I'm sure Shanny would get him in great shape, but I can't fault a player for trying to ensure that he will not have back to back "subpar" seasons. He was dominant last year and that was with poor conditioning. This year he will come back with the training that made him a defensive MVP candidate and he will come back to a more aggressive scheme and coaching.

Maybe after he sees the results of some of his teammates he might decide to participate next year, but I can't fault the man for doing what he knows will work.

[Skin'Em84]

When their employer pays them 32 million dollars over the course of one year, adults show up at the company picnic, even though it wasn't mandatory.

Even if they decide to go with their business manager out for dinner because he helps them more?

[ST is my boy]

Sorry for calling you fat, stupid, and lazy Albert......we're cool right?

[CaliforniaSkin]

I don't like AH not being present for minicamp, but I think some of that was simply the media firestorm that surrounds him now. He hasn't said anything negative on the record, and he showed up for the first day of workouts to explain his position to Shanahan.

That said, I'm sure there's at least some fire behind all this smoke. He's played and excelled in the 4-3 his whole career and he's concerned about how he's going to be utilized in the 3-4. Before signing here last year, he made it clear he was only going to talk to teams that play a 4-3. Yes, he's getting paid a lot of money and needs to do what his employers tell him to do, and he likely will.

I do think Shanahan is as much to blame in the situation. Shanny wants full attendance at the team work-outs. That's fine but he can't require it. By contract it is voluntary. And while I agree the 'Skins needed to get away from the different treatment for different players that has plagued the Snyder era, there was nothing to be gained from this. Haynesworth makes the Redskins better. Isn't it at least as much up to the leaders of an organization to avoid problems as it is to the followers?

[kingdaddy]

I don't like AH not being present for minicamp, but I think some of that was simply the media firestorm that surrounds him now. He hasn't said anything negative on the record, and he showed up for the first day of workouts to explain his position to Shanahan.

That said, I'm sure there's at least some fire behind all this smoke. He's played and excelled in the 4-3 his whole career and he's concerned about how he's going to be utilized in the 3-4. Before signing here last year, he made it clear he was only going to talk to teams that play a 4-3. Yes, he's getting paid a lot of money and needs to do what his employers tell him to do, and he likely will.

I do think Shanahan is as much to blame in the situation. Shanny wants full attendance at the team work-outs. That's fine but he can't require it. By contract it is voluntary. And while I agree the 'Skins needed to get away from the different treatment for different players that has plagued the Snyder era, there was nothing to be gained from this. Haynesworth makes the Redskins better. Isn't it at least as much up to the leaders of an organization to avoid problems as it is to the followers?


Interesting perspective. It's not like AH has held out of training camp. Shanahan has made it clear, on record, that AH will not be traded. It would be good to hear AH go on the NFL Network and tell them that he's committed to the new coaching staff and the Redskins organization. It would be a bonus if he sounded excited about the 2010 season. Let's hope that's the case.

[nemocystem]

never thought Haynesorth wouldn't be an absolute beast in a 3-4...especially as long as we still have Golston & Montgomery to spell him at NT, or just to come in & allow him to move to the end.

i was really annoyed with the selfishness though as he didn't display a very intelligent attitude knowing who our new coach was going to be & that he is in his first year.

that said...if he's back on board & can prevent himself from being a cancer.....

can't WAIT to see our new front 7 in the 3-4:

Montgomery -- Komeatu -- Haynesworth
Orakpo/McIntosh -- Fletcher -- Blades -- Carter/McIntosh

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QB's BEWARE!!!

[Skinsfan4life83]

never thought Haynesorth wouldn't be an absolute beast in a 3-4...especially as long as we still have Golston & Montgomery to spell him at NT, or just to come in & allow him to move to the end.

i was really annoyed with the selfishness though as he didn't display a very intelligent attitude knowing who our new coach was going to be & that he is in his first year.

that said...if he's back on board & can prevent himself from being a cancer.....

can't WAIT to see our new front 7 in the 3-4:

Montgomery -- Komeatu -- Haynesworth
Orakpo/McIntosh -- Fletcher -- Blades -- Carter/McIntosh

------

QB's BEWARE!!!

Carriker will start before Monty does, bet on it.

[SkinsTribeVA]

Sorry for calling you fat, stupid, and lazy Albert......we're cool right?

he might stomp on your head...

[2STaylor1]

as a DE in the 3-4, i think AH would be a BEAST...i mean he did ask shanny if he could work out away from home and although shanny didnt give him a flat out yes, he approved of it. in all honesty if AH comes in and returns to probowl form ALL of us will gladly eat our words....

[nemocystem]

Carriker will start before Monty does, bet on it.

you're right...i actually forgot about Carriker until a few moments ago & was coming back into this forum to correct that mistake, lol.

me likey all the same!

[skins2victory]

Good, put the drama to an end. I just hope big Al is going to be in better shape than he was in last year. If he can stay healthy and play more downs he will be a huge play maker for us. Which is why he was signed in the first place. He does nothing for the skins when he is on the bench!

[terpfan]

can't WAIT to see our new front 7 in the 3-4:

Montgomery -- Komeatu -- Haynesworth
Orakpo/McIntosh -- Fletcher -- Blades -- Carter/McIntosh

------

QB's BEWARE!!!

I'm thinking more like

Carter/Wilson --- Fletcher --- McIntosh/Blades --- Orakpo
Golston/Carriker --- Kemoeatu --- Haynesworth

[downbeat87]

phillip daniels would be a very good DE in a 3-4. hes been a run stuffing huge DE for a long time.

AH as a DE is a must. the only time he should be a tackle is when we're in a 4 man front.

[icbmayday]

Definitely a great article...so much media speculation for nothing

[HighOnHendrix]

Interesting perspective. It's not like AH has held out of training camp. Shanahan has made it clear, on record, that AH will not be traded. It would be good to hear AH go on the NFL Network and tell them that he's committed to the new coaching staff and the Redskins organization. It would be a bonus if he sounded excited about the 2010 season. Let's hope that's the case.

It certainly would be nice if AH would clarify his position on certain things. The media speculation is starting to get on my nerves.

[heliKCx17]

never thought Haynesorth wouldn't be an absolute beast in a 3-4...especially as long as we still have Golston & Montgomery to spell him at NT, or just to come in & allow him to move to the end.

i was really annoyed with the selfishness though as he didn't display a very intelligent attitude knowing who our new coach was going to be & that he is in his first year.

that said...if he's back on board & can prevent himself from being a cancer.....

can't WAIT to see our new front 7 in the 3-4:

Montgomery -- Komeatu -- Haynesworth
Orakpo/McIntosh -- Fletcher -- Blades -- Carter/McIntosh

------

QB's BEWARE!!!


Your forgot Carriker. He is a prototypical 3-4 DE. Monty is too sloppy to play 3-4 DE.

[pvkeeper19]

It certainly would be nice if AH would clarify his position on certain things. The media speculation is starting to get on my nerves.
I don't care what his thoughts on the situation are. All I care about is that he shuts his ****ing mouth and does what the coaches tell him to do, the best he can do it. That's why they gave him all that money.

When you sign for $100,000,000, you forfeit your right to complain about which defensive line position your boss wants you to play.

[CaliforniaSkin]

Interesting perspective. It's not like AH has held out of training camp. Shanahan has made it clear, on record, that AH will not be traded. It would be good to hear AH go on the NFL Network and tell them that he's committed to the new coaching staff and the Redskins organization. It would be a bonus if he sounded excited about the 2010 season. Let's hope that's the case.

Sure it would, but I doubt it will happen. However I strongly suspect that if he shows up to training camp in shape and plays hard, all will be forgiven and forgotten - by both sides.

For all the 'fat and lazy' talk, I do think Haynesworth is concerned about his place in the game. He wants to dominate and be a Hall of Famer. I think his major concern about the 3-4 is that he'll be misused and won't be a top player. Now obviously we'd like him to care only about winning and the team, but I can understand his concern. We know he can be a dominating player; now it's up to the coaches to put him in position to do so, and up to him to take advantage.

[nemocystem]

Your forgot Carriker. He is a prototypical 3-4 DE. Monty is too sloppy to play 3-4 DE.

corrected.


aahhhhhhhhh yes! with Carriker i'm even more excite!

man...if nothing else, we should be destroying QB's, stuffing the run, & causing lots of fumbles & pressure misques. i just hope our secondary holds up :: crosses fingers ::

[bulldog]

does anyone think that there won't be another attempt to move Haynesworth before the start of the season? :)

[Skinsfan4life83]

corrected.


aahhhhhhhhh yes! with Carriker i'm even more excite!

man...if nothing else, we should be destroying QB's, stuffing the run, & causing lots of fumbles & pressure misques. i just hope our secondary holds up :: crosses fingers ::

I just hope Landry steps up and finally puts all that talent to use, if he does the secondary should be just fine

[Shadowfire]

Looks like everything I have read lately from our players screams confidence. I am pumped for this upcoming season because if the players are this hungry maybe we will be a contender this year.

[Skinsfan4life83]

does anyone think that there won't be another attempt to move Haynesworth before the start of the season? :)

Me. It would be stupid in my opinion:D

[Mr. Sinister]

does anyone think that there won't be another attempt to move Haynesworth before the start of the season? :)

If he is moved, it will most likely be a training camp move if some other teams starter gets hurt, or he might be moved at the trade deadline. Maybe if someone gets REALLY desperate we can get a 1st rounder, but I'm sure we'd be able to get an extra second.

[TD Riggo]

None of this "we're all good .. can we all hug?" changes the fact that he SHOULD be in Ashburn working out with his teammates and learning the new defense and getting to know the coaches. Just like all of the rest of his teammates are doing right now.

He'd better show up IN shape and able to play a full series for 4 quarters without having to take plays off to suck oxygen!

[terpfan]

I just hope Landry steps up and finally puts all that talent to use, if he does the secondary should be just fine

I still worry about who the heck is gonna play FS. If Landry is the SS who the heck plays free safety? Horton? Doughty? How is that any better than Landry? Are they counting on Kareem Moore or something? I just dont see how we can move Landry to SS and not make some sort of move at safety.

[TD Riggo]

Big AL was never the bad guy he was made out to be by the WP and the other local mediots ...


Aside from that "whole head stomping thingie" a coupla years back! :doh:

[JoeKnowsBest]

He admits to not having a clue yet thinks its best he's nowhere around to learn with his teammates.

Plus refuses to play nose tackle and will only do it if he's compensated by the coach letting him play at the end. Doesn't sound like he has any fire to do any good to me. I'm in the trade him camp. He is not keeping to his end of his deal, not even by a fraction. He better get it together or he'll lose it all. We don't want slackers who don't care on our team. News flash, Albert: IT'S A TEAM GAME AND THE TEAM DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND YOU! There is no I in team!

Doesn't this guy care about winning at all???

[mistertim]

Plus refuses to play nose tackle and will only do it if he's compensated by the coach letting him play at the end. Doesn't sound like he has any fire to do any good to me. I'm in the trade him camp. He is not keeping to his end of his deal, not even by a fraction. He better get it together or he'll lose it all. We don't want slackers who don't care on our team. News flash, Albert: IT'S A TEAM GAME AND THE TEAM DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND YOU! There is no I in team!

Doesn't this guy care about winning at all???

Can you quote when he said he refuses to play NT? And what is this "only do it if he's compensated by the coach letting him play at end" nonsense? They have said from the beginning that they plan to move AH around. If the coaches care more about winning than proving a point they won't put him in there as a block occupying NT most of the time. It is just a complete waste of his talent.

His talent is being a disruptive force and getting into the backfield, not taking up blockers as a 0 tech NT. If we had Randy Moss would you say "ok, Randy, what we're going to have you do is lots of reverses and mostly drawing double teams so we can throw the ball to the other receivers"? Of course not, because it would be a complete waste of a dominant player and be a waste of his skillset.

And how do you know how much he cares about winning? You ever met the guy or played with him? Did you draw this conclusion because he missed a 3 day voluntary minicamp so he could train with a guy who helped get him into the shape he was in when he was his most dominant? To be honest if he just said "whatever, I'll just take up some blockers, don't really care" I would think he cares less about winning and more about picking up a paycheck since he didn't make a case for them using him as he had been when he was a two time All Pro.