via redskinsblog twitter - C Los loves the new environment at Redskins Park

[c4man5282]

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Carlos Rogers loves the new environment at #Redskins Park. Also, the new strength and conditioning program. http://is.gd/br7TK #NFL 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck

[Burgundy Burner]

Good. Lock him up to a long term deal asap.

[Hiro]

The man had better be religiously working on his coverage skills with Coach Slowik.

You can be a top player if you work at it Carlo.

[santana_4_prez]

He will have some chances at some pick 6es...will he catch the ball is the question...

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't care what people say about Carlos. I've seen him be an elite cover corner, and shut down top recievers for games at a time. Confidence in being able to do that is huge for a corner, and Carlos obviously didn't believe in the coaching and scheme under Zorn/Blache. And they obviously didn't believe in him. Without that two-way confidence, his performance, and give-a-**** in terms of improving it, got worse. I expect big things from him this year, because he knows if he deserves it, this regime will extend him and lock him up.

[ST is my boy]

How are the jug machine drills going los?

[dadirtbags]

great to hear and a great read...imo...all we need now is get a few more players that also feel this way...and get rid of those who are MIA...JMHO

[sjinhan]

Carlos can tackle and cover.. but I STILL CANT UNDERSTAND WHY HE CANT CATCH!!!

ok sorry for the yelling... but seriously catching is one of those things in my mind that can be taught and learned through repetition... Not sure if Rogers don't care about it or if the coaches didn't really press the issue with before.... LEARN TO CATCH THE BALL CARLOS!!!

[authentic]

I don't care what people say about Carlos. I've seen him be an elite cover corner, and shut down top recievers for games at a time. Confidence in being able to do that is huge for a corner, and Carlos obviously didn't believe in the coaching and scheme under Zorn/Blache. And they obviously didn't believe in him. Without that two-way confidence, his performance, and give-a-**** in terms of improving it, got worse. I expect big things from him this year, because he knows if he deserves it, this regime will extend him and lock him up.

the dude needs to learn how to catch. 6 picks in 5 seasons is unacceptable. All other aspects of his game i like.

[HapHaszard]

You can see the article in Redskins Breaking News just posted.

[authentic]

good stuff :munchout:


"I can say for one thing, everybody's dedicated. You know, [head coach Mike] Shanahan came in and put that foot down from the get-go. It's like, he wants guys that are here and dedicated. He don't care about [if] you got in your contract that you're supposed to be here 85%, you know? He wants guys here 100%. At times you may have to miss because of stuff, but you got guys here -- he sees the dedication of guys here that wanna work. And I know as a secondary, we said 'We're all gonna be here, we're gonna do it.' You've got a couple guys missin' for their various reasons, but in his eyes, guys that don't wanna be here, you know, he's gettin' rid of. And you can only respect that. And everybody's dedicated."

[Byner21]

He will have some chances at some pick 6es...will he catch the ball is the question...

My thoughts exactly!

Can they just train him to punch the ball up in the air high enough so that D Hall has time to run under it?

[FunBunch7]

Carlos can tackle and cover.. but I STILL CANT UNDERSTAND WHY HE CANT CATCH!!!

ok sorry for the yelling... but seriously catching is one of those things in my mind that can be taught and learned through repetition... Not sure if Rogers don't care about it or if the coaches didn't really press the issue with before.... LEARN TO CATCH THE BALL CARLOS!!!

I agree whole heartedly!!!!

I have said it many times...Carlos would drop a newborn baby if you handed it to him !!!!

[Assassin 21]

My thoughts exactly!

Can they just train him to punch the ball up in the air high enough so that D Hall has time to run under it?

Hahaha I like this idea!

[LD0506]

Carlos is another one of those guys that has suffered from coaching. He has good skills but having to worry all the time about the criticism from mistakes has made him gunshy, which only makes him more nervous and prone to error. I genuinely expect him to flourish under a coach like Haslett that understands the psychology of playing.

And Hap? That new avatar is great!

[authentic]

3 days 'til the first minicamp, can't wait!!! :)


.... When the new strength and conditioning staff came in, "everybody was hurtin', I guess, the first week, week and a half, but after that you understand what they're doin', how they're building you to last the whole season. It's not just, 'Oh, I'm throwin' this weight on you, get up in weight, get up in weight.' It's not about that. You take our stats and you'll see a steady progress with everybody from week to week. If they ain't goin' up but five pounds or two and a half pounds more, okay. It's a process. We like it. It's tough, but everyday we come here with our minds set on gettin' this job done, and each week it's something better."

The difficult workouts are providing a side benefit as well. "Even though it's tough, everybody's out there grinding," Rogers said. "You're fighting through it. Sled, pushing that sled, that's one of the toughest workouts, but we're all out there fighting and we're gettin' through it, and at the end of the day, we all joke around and have fun, maybe go shoot [baskets], maybe go to L.A. Fitness and play basketball, but you can see everybody just gettin' together. Everybody's got one goal in mind."

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

I think he (and the rest of the D) will be more fit and I am excited to see Hasletts gamplan...I expect big things from los as well as the rest of the D

[Redskinzfan30]

My thoughts exactly!

Can they just train him to punch the ball up in the air high enough so that D Hall has time to run under it?

:ols: that's a good idea!

[Zzj]

I'll be glad if we keep Rogers. He's a great corner. If he learns how to catch he could be considered an elite one.


edit: and not get burned by double-moves...

[Skinz248]

Glad to see Los' tune has changed!! Hopefully a few others follow!!

[Bootleg]

I wonder who the best basketball players are?

[jflow78]

I am curious to see how different our guys look come regular season time if our S&C coaches were THAT bad. Maybe it will make a big difference.

It's great Rogers is excited about the new environment, a definite sign of change, since he was one of the most disgruntled people on the team before the offseason really got under way.

[imseantaylor]

great article. now if we could just throw in some eye hand coordination drills for ole brick hands...

[Oldskool]

Unless Haslett can teach this turd to actually intercept a pass, he needs to be upgraded in next years draft or free agency period.

[Bootleg]

Unless Haslett can teach this turd to actually intercept a pass, he needs to be upgraded in next years draft or free agency period.

Turd? WTF!

[Oldskool]

Turd? WTF!

Has he EVER played like the 9th pick overall? He's not a bust but turd fits the bill.

[Timmy Smith]

I don't put much stock in public statements from players -- all that really matters is how they play. Still, it's always good to see players toeing the company line and not embarrassing the Redskins. Good to see that Shanahan's no-nonsense style is taking hold.

[Bootleg]

Has he EVER played like the 9th pick overall? He's not a bust but turd fits the bill.

Well he did that one game where he started and intercepted Drew Brees twice in his rookie year... I don't know what happened after that, but turd is still too strong. Jason Campbell or Laron Landry are turds based on draft position. Carlos Rogers, not so much...

[Audible_Red40]

I am really excited about the new direction and scheme of this defense.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Has he EVER played like the 9th pick overall? He's not a bust but turd fits the bill.

Last year he obviously didn't but he's shown flashes of that kind of ability, particularly in 2006 and 2008.

[CaptChaos86]

Glad to hear the guys are coming together as a team, we are gonna see a totally different team this year.

[Oldskool]

Last year he obviously didn't but he's shown flashes of that kind of ability, particularly in 2006 and 2008.

:ols: You mean the years he had the whopping 2 INT's!

He averages 43.4 tackles, 0.0 sacks, 1.2 interceptions, .6 FF, 12.8 passes defended per year.

We've beaten this horse to death already, Rogers has to have a pro bowl caliber year or he will be officially a huge reach, if not bordering on bust status.

[Spartacus87]

Carlos can catch a football.

Put him in front of a JUGS machine for an hour and he'll catch most of the balls.

I think it's a lot more to do with a confidence issue than anything else. He knows his hands are this big joke that even his teammates rag on him for.

Rogers needs a lot of sessions with a sports psychologist in my opinion.


Last year he obviously didn't but he's shown flashes of that kind of ability, particularly in 2006 and 2008. 2007 saw him playing maybe his best ball, until he tore his knee up.


:ols: You mean the years he had the whopping 2 INT's!

He averages 43.4 tackles, 0.0 sacks, 1.2 interceptions, .6 FF, 12.8 passes defended per year.

We've beaten this horse to death already, Rogers has to have a pro bowl caliber year or he will be officially a huge reach, if not bordering on bust status. That would probably make sense, if corners were judged exclusively on their individual interception totals.

It's too bad they're not though.

[bedlamVR]

:ols: You mean the years he had the whopping 2 INT's!

He averages 43.4 tackles, 0.0 sacks, 1.2 interceptions, .6 FF, 12.8 passes defended per year.

We've beaten this horse to death already, Rogers has to have a pro bowl caliber year or he will be officially a huge reach, if not bordering on bust status.

In 2007 he was our best player in the secondary until his injury . Then he for whatever reason always been in Blaches dog house . He is a physical shut down corner who plays well in press cover . But Blache seemed to be scarred to change anything from Williams and played almost exclusively in cover 0 and cover 3 cloud formations which didn't play to anyones strengths but did cut down on the big plays .. lets not forget this was the No.1. pass D mid season last year ..

People seem to think a CB can only be judged by highlight real plays and interception stats ... But I would rather have a CB who can stop the best WR on the other team and force the QB to look elsewhere ...preferably to the ball hawking riverboat gambling CB on the otherside ...

Rogers is not a turd or a bust he is a good starting CB ... in the right scheme he could be a top talent who actually wants to be here ... but sure flush him away and spend another top pick on a CB who won't live up to the fans bizzare expectations .

[RichmondRedskin88]

Good to see Los enjoying the new atmosphere. One simple question though. Did Medusa change your hands back from stone?

[Special K]

Well, I sure as crap hope the new regime can pull out some magic drills for his hands.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

I may have missed this, but has he signed his tender yet ? I don't think he has.

[haithman]

I have a difficult time understanding wtf he says in these interviews sometimes.

[Oldskool]

That would probably make sense, if corners were judged exclusively on their individual interception totals.

It's too bad they're not though.

HIs tackles, passes defended and forced fumbles are all very low, but im sure that doesn't matter either.


In 2007 he was our best player in the secondary until his injury . Then he for whatever reason always been in Blaches dog house . He is a physical shut down corner who plays well in press cover . But Blache seemed to be scarred to change anything from Williams and played almost exclusively in cover 0 and cover 3 cloud formations which didn't play to anyones strengths but did cut down on the big plays .. lets not forget this was the No.1. pass D mid season last year ..

People seem to think a CB can only be judged by highlight real plays and interception stats ... But I would rather have a CB who can stop the best WR on the other team and force the QB to look elsewhere ...preferably to the ball hawking riverboat gambling CB on the otherside ...

Rogers is not a turd or a bust he is a good starting CB ... in the right scheme he could be a top talent who actually wants to be here ... but sure flush him away and spend another top pick on a CB who won't live up to the fans bizzare expectations .

Again you completely gloss over his other piss poor stats to try and validate your point.

Rogers is a turd simply because he has never lived up to being worth taking as the #9 overall pick. He plays more like a 3rd rounder and along with Campbell, were a pair of reaching picks that Gibbs made. Is he a decent CB? Sure, I'll give him that much but again has never, ever played like a 1st round pick.

[[[ghost]]]

He was also very good in 2008. He shut down TO in the second half of the First Dallas game, where we pulled off the upset.

Certainly, he needs to create more turnovers, but I'd rather him focus on getting his confidence and coverage skills back up, because when he's at his best, he's a Top 5 corner in the purest sense. He doesn't miss tackles, and he's very physical. Everything you want in a corner.

If he bring that back to the table, and be more of a threat in the turnover department, he would be a Top 3 DB.

[Galvatron]

If that Turd Rogers could have actually caught an INT that hit him in the chest. There is a good chance that the Redskins could have advanced to the Superbowl in 05. I will never forgive him for that!!!

[Santana_89]

Unless Haslett can teach this turd to actually intercept a pass, he needs to be upgraded in next years draft or free agency period.

Old Skool I don't usually agree with you,but on Los I do. I'm not buying the I'm happy to be here bit ,it wasn't that long ago when he wanted to be traded after he was happy about the new changes at Redskins Park. I need to see MORE than lip service from Los before I think about jumping back on his bandwagon.

[TK]

And Hap? That new avatar is great!
Fits him well doesn't it.:)

I wonder what'll happen if I throw a stick his way. :ols:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

HIs tackles, passes defended and forced fumbles are all very low, but im sure that doesn't matter either.

Again you completely gloss over his other piss poor stats to try and validate your point.

Rogers is a turd simply because he has never lived up to being worth taking as the #9 overall pick. He plays more like a 3rd rounder and along with Campbell, were a pair of reaching picks that Gibbs made. Is he a decent CB? Sure, I'll give him that much but again has never, ever played like a 1st round pick.

You have a point, but I'm inclined to keep him.

I think he has the potential to live up to his 9th overall pick and either way he's a solid enough corner that I'm usually comfortable with having him across from a really good WR.

[GeneralStonewallTaylor]

:ols: You mean the years he had the whopping 2 INT's!

He averages 43.4 tackles, 0.0 sacks, 1.2 interceptions, .6 FF, 12.8 passes defended per year.

We've beaten this horse to death already, Rogers has to have a pro bowl caliber year or he will be officially a huge reach, if not bordering on bust status.

Antonio Cromartie - Drafted 19th Overall in 2006 by the Chargers. Averages 41.25 tackles, 0.0 sacks, 3.75 interceptions, 0.0 FF, 10.2 passes defended per year.

I doubt you would consider him a turd...but based on your criteria of stats alone, he is simply a turd with marginally better hands. And because you think those five yearly defensive stats alone tell the story of how good a corner is, it seems to me you don't understand how statistics can be skewed, especially in football when coaching, scheme, etc. play such a vital role in the success of the team as a whole. He averages 2.5 more interceptions per year, that's the only stat he's got Carlos in. Yet he's been to the pro-bowl and is regarded as one of the better corners in the league. It seems to me that how a player is used and what he has around him has just as much to do with his individual success as talent or work ethic.




That would probably make sense, if corners were judged exclusively on their individual interception totals.

It's too bad they're not though.

:applause:


HIs tackles, passes defended and forced fumbles are all very low, but im sure that doesn't matter either.

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Again you completely gloss over his other piss poor stats to try and validate your point.

Tackles, passes defended and forced fumbles are glamour stats, not ones valued by good corners who play with a team-first mentality. If anything, the lower the better in regards to shutting down their side of the field IMO, less chances taken towards his side means less opportunities to but up numbers. I don't need my secondary to have inflated stats, because that means the offense has far too much pressure on the defense as a whole. It's very possible to play well and change the strategy of the offense WITHOUT getting the turnovers that everyone strives for. Find me the stats of opposing receivers and detailed descriptions of the situations Carlos has been put in and then MAYBE we can begin to discuss the totality of the circumstances, something you seem to ignore.

Stats alone NEVER tell the whole story.


Rogers is a turd simply because he has never lived up to being worth taking as the #9 overall pick. He plays more like a 3rd rounder and along with Campbell, were a pair of reaching picks that Gibbs made. Is he a decent CB? Sure, I'll give him that much but again has never, ever played like a 1st round pick.

Really? I think that covering and shutting down some of the NFL's elite receivers qualifies him as having played at a 1st round draft pick level. Now consistency is a different issue completely. I'll agree that we have not seen Rogers' best football, but he does not belong in the toilet bowl.

[pjfootballer]

Maybe one of the coaches bought him a "JUGS" machine for an early birthday present.

[stevemcqueen1]

Good. Lock him up to a long term deal asap.

I don't think so. Let's let him put together a complete season first. He wasn't very good last year.

[stevemcqueen1]

I wonder who the best basketball players are?

I wonder how physical those basketball games are. Maybe they should just play horse or go bowling if they want to bond.

[NewCliche21]

Awesome attitude by Rogers.

Anyone else judging a corner by his stats doesn't know football.

Guess what? If you have a lot of tackles or passes defensed, then that means that the ball was passed your way because your man was open.

Stats + corner = bad.

[stevemcqueen1]

Is he a decent CB? Sure, I'll give him that much but again has never, ever played like a 1st round pick.

This isn't true. He was remarkable in the first half of 2008 and legitimately shut down some excellent receivers. The Arizona and away Dallas games were about as impressive as a CB can have. Aside for the blown coverage where Fitzgerald got open deep and scored (the safeties fault, not Carlos') he completely shut Fitzgerald down. If he can put together an entire season of that kind of play, he'll be one of the best bump and run corners in the league and those guys are extremely hard to find.

[Spartacus87]

This isn't true. He was remarkable in the first half of 2008 and legitimately shut down some excellent receivers. The Arizona and away Dallas games were about as impressive as a CB can have. Aside for the blown coverage where Fitzgerald got open deep and scored (the safeties fault, not Carlos') he completely shut Fitzgerald down. If he can put together an entire season of that kind of play, he'll be one of the best bump and run corners in the league and those guys are extremely hard to find. Totally agreed.

I think he was a terrible fit in Blache's scheme, where he'd have to sit back off the receiver. He played T.O. so well in that Dallas game because he was up on him, punching him at the line. That's Rogers' game.


Maybe one of the coaches bought him a "JUGS" machine for an early birthday present.
Again, I don't think he needs work on the JUGS machine.

I think it's a mental issue.


He averages 43.4 tackles, 0.0 sacks, 1.2 interceptions, .6 FF, 12.8 passes defended per year.
Asomugha's career averages:

41.5 tackles, .28 sacks, 6.8 passed defended, 1.5 INTs, .28 FF.

What a freaking bum that guy must be.

Isn't it fun to use stats to judge defensive backs? You can manipulate them to mean whatever you want!

[NewCliche21]

This isn't true. He was remarkable in the first half of 2008 and legitimately shut down some excellent receivers. The Arizona and away Dallas games were about as impressive as a CB can have. Aside for the blown coverage where Fitzgerald got open deep and scored (the safeties fault, not Carlos') he completely shut Fitzgerald down. If he can put together an entire season of that kind of play, he'll be one of the best bump and run corners in the league and those guys are extremely hard to find.

Hilarious that people forget how amazing Rogers was in the first half of 2007 before he went down. Go look at him in the bump and run in Week 2 against the Eagles. Rogers looked like the best corner in the league save for his interceptions-impaired play.

I can't wait until Rogers and Landry make a lot of posters eat crow. :D

[Warhead36]

I want to see Rogers return to the form he once had. I remember reading on PFT or somewhere that Rogers was among the top five or ten pure cover CBs in the NFL during I believe the 2008 season. I don't care too much if he can't catch as long as he can return to the shutdown form he had. I'll take a CB who shuts down the opposing WR but drops the ball all the time over a CB who can catch but gives up 50 yard touchdowns.

[RenegadeTK]

GREAT! i dont care what anyone says, C-los is legit. Has he had problems with double-moves? yeah. but our secondary had all sorts of issues last season. you live and you learn, hopefully C-los learns from what happpened on and off the field this past year.

[honejc]

buy him new gloves coated in super glue PLEASE

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

There aren't too many DB's in the league who can cover better than Carlos. Yes he has hands made of stone, I know. IMO he's been one of the most underappreciated skins of the last 6 yrs. I would love to keep him around for 3-4 more yrs.

[cphil006]

I'm glad Carlos is complimenting instead of criticizing... I smell a good year ahead.

[Oldskool]

Asomugha's career averages:

41.5 tackles, .28 sacks, 6.8 passed defended, 1.5 INTs, .28 FF.

What a freaking bum that guy must be.

Isn't it fun to use stats to judge defensive backs? You can manipulate them to mean whatever you want!

:ols: The fact no one throws to him factors heavily on this as much as it factors in Rogers horrible numbers because teams threw to him. The sheer fact that more was thrown Rogers way and less to Asomugha completely contradicts any point you tried to make.

I find it amusing the amount of illogical thought that seeps into arguments when it comes to a player on this team.

[kubstix]

:ols: The fact no one throws to him factors heavily on this as much as it factors in Rogers horrible numbers because teams threw to him. The sheer fact that more was thrown Rogers way and less to Asomugha completely contradicts any point you tried to make.

I find it amusing the amount of illogical thought that seeps into arguments when it comes to a player on this team.

Dude you make absolutely no sense in your posts. A simple, "I hate Carlos Rogers" is fine and then leave the thread. We know you hate him, you express this in every post about CLos. However, stop trying to pretend you are educated at the CB position by posting stats of tackles then writing a reply that absolutely makes no sense whatsoever.

[Supreme Wu]

He will have some chances at some pick 6es...will he catch the ball is the question...

No is the answer

[Spartacus87]

:ols: The fact no one throws to him factors heavily on this as much as it factors in Rogers horrible numbers because teams threw to him. The sheer fact that more was thrown Rogers way and less to Asomugha completely contradicts any point you tried to make.

I find it amusing the amount of illogical thought that seeps into arguments when it comes to a player on this team.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2008&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

In 2008, his first season back from his knee injury, he was ranked 36th overall out of 114 total CBs, even though he was targeted the third most often (108 throws his way, because teams will target corners coming off ACL injuries). That includes being 13th in overall coverage ranking.

He did a better job overall than guys like Leon Hall, DRC, Cromartie, etc., even though he was thrown at much more often then they were. And he didn't have the pass rush they did either.

In 2007, he finished 56th overall out of 96, but his ratings were brought down to his ability to play the run. In coverage he finished ranked 10, just behind Charles Woodson and Leon Hall. He had a shortened season due to the injury, but out of his 427 snaps he was targeted 29 times, so he was targeted about once every 14 snaps he was on the field.

Charles Woodson was targeted once every 12 times (40 out of 485 snaps), Terence Newman every 9 times (46 out of 435), Quentin Jammer every 11 times (35 out of 413), Leon Hall every 10 times (36 out of 381 snaps), etc.

Even last year, he finished 52nd out of 107, and taking total snaps into account (he had 888), he finished ahead of guys like Cortland Finnegan, Cromartie, Quentin Jammer, Cedric Griffin, and right behind Corey Webster.

The bottom line is, no matter how you slice it, no statistics play into calling Rogers a "bust."

He's had some up and downs and consistency issues, but overall he hasn't been even CLOSE to as bad as some people around here would like to believe.

As starting corners go in the NFL, he's a good one. And that's without being used to his full strength all the time in press coverage.

[ATCRedskin82]

Carlos runs his mouth too much. Less worrying on your contract, more worrying on your hands and coverage skills...