JLC per Rotoworld: Redskins will make a big move this week.

[GenMgr]

LINK: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

[santana_4_prez]

Sorry, I'm just not buying it.

[SkinzFan007]

i dont believe anything jlc says about the skins anymore.

[frommd]

Hmmmm. Who to believe Schefter & TK or JLC? Hmmmm.

[Skinsfan4life83]

JLC is very unreliable and the whole AH thing is rather old now

[TheLongshot]

At least he's persistent...

[ibarramedia]

Jason LaCanfora blowing smoke or is this for real? Is he going back to the Titans or somewhere else?

[Bootleg]

What if their big move is drafting someone at #4?

[tml6157]

A report based on what we "tend" to do. Priceless. How does this dumb **** still have a job? Seriously?

[HRNY4ZRNY]

Wasnt he dead on about Mcnabb? And people were in a uproar? Just saying.

[santana_4_prez]

Hmmmm. Who to believe Schefter & TK or JLC? Hmmmm.

Exactly. If it happens, no offense to TK, but he loses a little credibility in my book. As of now, I'm a believer in TK/Schefter!

[HigSkin]

If there's a big move, it'll probably be a trade for a tackle but on the offensive side of the ball. I doubt it involves AH but who knows.

[skinsfan242]

Speculation. He has absolutely no Idea what the Skins are going to do. He just wants to stick with his guns and go down swinging.

I can see his Monday Post "The Redskins contacted upwords of 8 teams during the draft to unload Haynesworth, nobody would offer what they wanted"

The whole time not single call was made.

[Old Dominion Monarch 06]

If it's actually anything I'd bet it has to do with Jason.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

It's always interesting around here :)

[terpskins10]

A report based on what we "tend" to do. Priceless. How does this dumb **** still have a job? Seriously?

Intend ≠ tend. Just saying.

[MR2Drift]

I ****ing hate JLC. Honestly if we get only a third rounder after all we paid for AH i'll be angry. If AH doesn't want to be here fine then, let him sit at home until he is ready.

[Byner21]

Hopefully does not involve Haynesworth (given his alleged street value these days) and does involve Jammal Brown.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36650298/ns/sports-player_news/

[gortiz]

honeslty, would this be any bigger than mc5?

this is a real possibility ... at least don't be surprised if/when it goes down.

[dfbovey]

Trading Haynesworth for a 3rd round pick would create a giant crater where talent used to be on the defensive line. That's not a void that will be filled by a 3rd round pick.

JLC is a moron.

[NewCliche21]

Trading Haynesworth for a 3rd round pick would create a giant crater where talent used to be on the defensive line. That's not a void that will be filled by a 3rd round pick.

JLC is a moron.

JLC: When success is not an option

[skns4life]

I hope he's dead wrong. AH is a dominant player and I cant imagine any dlinemen having a better impact on our D than him... even IF he plays at 70% effort! Especially a 3rd pick.

I just dont see the big deal about him not participating in voluntary mini-camps. Every year numerous players work out on their own. Springs would always be absent... a number of players from the U would always skip and work out back in Miami... hell some players (sean taylor) wouldnt even return St. Joe's phone calls! I don't remember the media obsessing over those stories the way they do Haynesworth. EVERYONE in the media is obsessing over this so they can have another "bash the Skins" story *if* they do end up trading Haynesworth.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I also love the idea that a top flight DT who is now at a reasonable salary would only command a third round pick. HA! Seymour, Raiders or no, commanded a first and I'd argue that he, at that point, was not at Haynesworth's level.

I think, honestly, that this is a melding of two distinct items. One is the idea that we will make a move. Fine, this isn't exactly Tablet of Destiny stuff. He's not telling us anything there. The other is the Haynesworth thing, which is his way of pushing this story. If he's wrong, no harm (in his mind) and it's merely a possibility. If he's right, it doesn't even mean it's based on real sources, it could just be the whole "he's not at vol. camp" fact.

I would lose a lot of respect for the FO/Shanahan if they trade someone of Haynesworth's age/talent for a third round pick only. And frankly, I don't think it's going to happen.

[DCdangerous]

Hmm. There was a previous thread about New Orleans might wanting Haynesworth. And specualtion that we get their 2nd round pick (final pick in 2nd round AKA high 3rd Rd pick) and a starting LT. Bushrod? Brown?

[Santana_89]

Hmmmm. Who to believe Schefter & TK :yes: or JLC:jerk: ? Hmmmm.

I'll take Schefter and TK for $ 500 Alex.


JLC: When success is not an option


:)

[SKIN4WAHOOZ]

AH & JC to STL for Carriker (?) and their 2nd

[Timmy Smith]

Sounds like JLC making an educated guess based solely on buzz he's hearing around the league. Who knows? No one can predict draft day stuff because nothing is certain until the day of it.

[terrifNick21]

AH & JC to STL for Carriker (?) and their 2nd

Possible, but I'd want more than one draft pick for Haynesworth.

[DallasSucks19922010]

As much as I didnt like him when he worked for the Washington Post, hes been pretty good and accurate at NFL Network.

[terrifNick21]

Jason La Cantreporta.

[Mr. Sinister]

Thanks to those burritos I just ate, I might need to make a big move too.

[Cooley's Kidz]

jlc speculates, which is what this message board is for. somehow he's been able to get a job at the post and parlay that into being hired by the NFL network. how?????

him and florio just keep throwing s against the wall and surely something will stick.

i don't believe anything unless it comes straight from this organization or from schefter.



if all we get is a 3rd for haynesworth i will be disappointed, but not upset in the slightest. disappointed only because he is a talent (if/when he plays) and we will look foolish, what else is new. but hey, goes to show vinny was a joke too.

[fdarugar]

If I'd have to guess it would be AH for Jamal Brown.

[Passizle]

Are they moving back to DC? One can hope... right? RFK 2.0!!! Imean... tha would qualify for a "Big move". Right?

[SKIN4WAHOOZ]

Possible, but I'd want more than one draft pick for Haynesworth.


it would basically be carriker for JC and a late first round for AH...id take it all day!

[Santana_89]

Thanks to those burritos I just ate, I might need to make a big move too.
:ols::ols:

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the story about Sean's locker moving to Fed Ex Field. Or perhaps it's trading Rocky Mc/JC qualifies as a "big move" now days.

[RabidFan]

AH & JC to STL for Carriker (?) and their 2nd

this plus swap first round picks. A guy can dream.

[Mercuryrising]

Are they moving back to DC? One can hope... right? RFK 2.0!!!

Sweetness!!!!!!! I think you are on to something!

[Hitman#21]

JLC wont back down..well see what happens

[ADF]

Wasnt he dead on about Mcnabb? And people were in a uproar? Just saying.

I believe it was Lombardi who predicted the McNabb trade.

[bobzmuda]

It's interesting that the Skins are loading up on DL BEFORE the draft.

[Mr. Sinister]

JLC wont back down..well see what happens

I kinda feel for the guy. He has high school bully victim written all over him, so I'm sure he thought that he'd be leaving it all behind in his adult years, only to get flamed by evil people like us. Lifes a ***** isn't it? :ols:

[Soup]

I wish there was some sort of fine poeple like JLC can get when they are wrong. Seriously, All the guy has is speculation, nothing more.

I mean they treat JLC as if he's this Big time reporter with ton of connections. How many times has the media been wrong this offseason about the redskins?

[FLRedskins]

Twitter= he said ,she said ,they said blah blah blah blah

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

a BIG MOVE doesn't necessarily involve Haynesworth.

[santana_4_prez]

Twitter= he said ,she said ,they said blah blah blah blah

Well, nothing in this thread really has to do with Twitter...but you are entitled to your own opinion.

[War Paint]

AH is worth a 1st round pick. Period. Anything less, take a hike. If we did trade him for a 3rd, we would be morons. I highly doubt Shanahan and Allen would put us in that situation. I fully expect a fair trade, if a trade is going to happen.

[Blue Collar Skins]

JLC is really hoping we do something. :doh:

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

AH is worth a 1st round pick. Period. Anything less, take a hike. If we did trade him for a 3rd, we would be morons. I highly doubt Shanahan and Allen would put us in that situation. I fully expect a fair trade, if a trade is going to happen.

Somebody mentioned a couple possible trades with the Saints I remember, one of them being AH for Jermon Bushrod and a 2nd or 3rd. I would be fine with that, because then we could stick bushrod at RT and draft either okung or williams at #4, with a 2nd or 3rd to spare.

[Diggs43]

I honestly think we will be making a lot of moves. I just don't see the FO staying put with 1 pick in the top 100. I also don't believe they would deal a 2nd for McNabb without a plan to replace that pick.

[terrifNick21]

I wish these next 72 hours would just fly by...






EDIT: LOL @ 75 guests viewing this. Getting their next stories together I see.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I honestly think we will be making a lot of moves. I just don't see the FO staying put with 1 pick in the top 100. I also don't believe they would deal a 2nd for McNabb without a plan to replace that pick.

Regardless of AH being involved in a trade or not, this is spot on.

[Zarger]

I totally agree 1st or 2,3rd, and 5th

[1972FAN]

That same line is used every year LOL. There going to make a big move. I guess it's covering your bets.

[santana_4_prez]

That same line is used every year LOL. There going to make a big move. I guess it's covering your bets.

Yep...see Sanchez, Mark.

[Darth Tater]

i dont believe anything jlc says about the skins anymore.

I have a hard time believing what anybody says at this time, especially this week. At best, you really got to parse words right now.

[jkypoo]

At this point, drafting Okung #4 could be considered a big move.
So...good reporting JLC.

[jimster]

Hmmmm. Who to believe Schefter & TK or JLC? Hmmmm.


Schefter is the most informed on this insider info. Add to that he's known Shannahan for a very long time from when Schefter was at the Denver Post.

[MrJL]

A report based on what we "tend" to do. Priceless. How does this dumb **** still have a job? Seriously?

It doesn't say TEND, it says INTEND

[SWFLSkins]

Has Sean Salisbury walked naked back to ESPN HQ yet? I wanna see a bet from JLC like that one.

[elkabong82]

JLC hasn't scooped anything yet with the Skins this offseason, other than turds, so I don;t see much reason to believe him now personally.

[texasthunder]

As much as I didnt like him when he worked for the Washington Post, hes been pretty good and accurate at NFL Network.


WHEN ????????????


Oh you mean like when he reported that Jim Zorn will be fired at the end of last season?

Or when he reported that Mike Shanahan is in the running for the HC job with the Skins?

ETC, ETC, ETC.........................


All he has written about has either been previously discussed on ES, or some other news source.

[Larry Brown #43]

a BIG MOVE doesn't necessarily involve Haynesworth.

Read the OP-- that's exactly what it says.

[jflow78]

Hey, you know what, if we got Bushrod or Brown for Haynesworth AND their 2nd, I'd take it easy. Then we'd be free to do whatever we can/want with the #4, wether Suh or Berry or Okung or whoever is there, plus we could pick up a solid guy in the 2nd (one of the huge NTs that aren't supposed to go until round 2).

I'd be all for it. I'm not a supporter of trading AH, but that would be WAY more than I'd expect at this point.

[Laxpunk2006]

Speculation. He has absolutely no Idea what the Skins are going to do. He just wants to stick with his guns and go down swinging.

I can see his Monday Post "The Redskins contacted upwords of 8 teams during the draft to unload Haynesworth, nobody would offer what they wanted"

The whole time not single call was made.

The other side of the coin is he does know what the skins want to do. If Haynesworth isn't moved it doesn't mean we weren't trying to move him. If he is moved it doesn't mean we were trying to move him, someone might have just come up with an offer out of nowhere we couldn't refuse.

I think the personal attacks on JLC are unneccessary. He informs us what his sources tell him. Not every trade that is discussed materializes so it's foolish to get mad at a reporter everytime they are wrong or misinformed. We should be thankful that there are people filling us in using their sources that we don't have.

[TV aka TeeVeli aka BAMBAM30]

Hey, you know what, if we got Bushrod or Brown for Haynesworth AND their 2nd, I'd take it easy. Then we'd be free to do whatever we can/want with the #4, wether Suh or Berry or Okung or whoever is there, plus we could pick up a solid guy in the 2nd (one of the huge NTs that aren't supposed to go until round 2).

I'd be all for it. I'm not a supporter of trading AH, but that would be WAY more than I'd expect at this point.
haha I was just about to say this...definitely if that was an option we would take that.

And thats the thing, the redskins might be telling Adam S or WHOEVER that they aren't trading him...but if a team contacted them with a trade like that they would have to change their mind.

RIGHT?!!

Idk just please let this ****ing draft get here.

[herb mul-key]

A report based on what we "tend" to do. Priceless. How does this dumb **** still have a job? Seriously?

this

[Burgundy Burner]

Jason La Chumpfora swings at the air - and somehow misses again.

[TLusby]

This would be the dumbest fxxxing move in the history of this franchise. The most dominant DT in the NFL with 80% of his guaranteed money paid and we let him walk for a 3rd rounder. There is no way in hell!

[wvtbred]

I can't believe JLC is getting paid for this. Who couldn't have thought or predicted what he wrote?

[Ajamrani]

The Skins will acquire LT Jamaal Brown from the saints by trading Rocky Mcintosh and a pick next year...just what i think..

[Stadium-Armory]

A big move this week? Wow, its draft week, what a scoop.

[Santana_89]

I think the personal attacks on JLC are unneccessary. He informs us what his sources tell him. Not every trade that is discussed materializes so it's foolish to get mad at a reporter everytime they are wrong or misinformed. We should be thankful that there are people filling us in using their sources that we don't have.

Tell that to your buddy when he's reporting about the Redskins that it's UNPROFESSIONAL and unnecessary to take shots at Dan Synder for things that happend in 2001 or Vinny Cerrato when he's no longer with the organization. Jason LaCaLoser is a jackass and so is his bff J Reid.

Yes I am grateful for Schefter,and our very own league sources here at ES.

[MrJL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tml6157 http://www.extremeskins.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=7463358#post7463358)
A report based on what we "tend" to do. Priceless. How does this dumb **** still have a job? Seriously?

this


This would be the dumbest fxxxing move in the history of this franchise. The most dominant DT in the NFL with 80% of his guaranteed money paid and we let him walk for a 3rd rounder. There is no way in hell!


http://www.cracked.com/article_18388_6-logical-fallacies-that-cost-you-money-every-day_p2.html

Read number three

And also can I ask if people here don't know the difference between the words tend and INtend?

People who tend to do things have a history of performing a certain action. People who INtend to do something plan on doing something.

[TV aka TeeVeli aka BAMBAM30]

per Russellmania09 on twitter

#NFL source who said on Haynesworth "He ain't gonna be there. He's a prima dona. He's not going to play the nose tackle position."


I just don't know what to think anymore lol...the media is killing me

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

Read the OP-- that's exactly what it says.

I understand.... however, he could be hearing buzz for a big trade from team sources, and it is most likely his OWN speculation in claiming that it will be Albert Haynesworth included in the trade.

[illone]

What, JLC, McNabb trade not a big enough move for ya?

[MrJL]

I understand.... however, he could be hearing buzz for a big trade from team sources, and it is most likely his OWN speculation in claiming that it will be Albert Haynesworth included in the trade.


that's exactly what it does suggest.

[Blue Collar Skins]

This just in.....The Redskins will draft someone this week. Oh my gosh! I am right more than JLC. Give me a job NFL Network! At least I would be more accurate and credit TK and JSteelz! :silly:

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

that's exactly what it does suggest.

lol my bad... just saw the words "best bet". Either way, I do believe him in that regard. Not only do we need more draft picks, but the new regime wants to establish their own team. A great majority of the team will stay though.

[GibbsFactor]

Thought we had a big move on Easter. Perhaps we draft a tackle? That would be big news.

:whoknows:

[MustangSteve]

Didn't Shanahan say Nobody was getting traded? Only JC was told to go look somewhere else.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Now JLC is going so far as to say, that Haynesworth was told that if he got more than 2 sacks or so, that something was wrong and that he WOULD be eating up space not attacking.

Thing is, that sounds IDIOTIC. ANY coach who is not a complete ******* - moron would not be asking Haynesworth to eat up space and blockers. But hey, I've been fooled by "great" coaches before, I'm interested in seeing what happens.

[Idaho fan]

I just can't imagine Big Al being traded away for a third or even a second round pick. I just want to see AH come to camp in shape, ready to play and cause the havoc he always talks about causing. I think he had an impact last year and if in better shape this (and in a better Defensive scheme) year would be a potential pro bowler and a huge part to any defensive success.

[MrJL]

I just can't imagine Big Al being traded away for a third or even a second round pick. I just want to see AH come to camp in shape, ready to play and cause the havoc he always talks about causing. I think he had an impact last year and if in better shape this (and in a better Defensive scheme) year would be a potential pro bowler and a huge part to any defensive success.

I'm indifferent. I think our D will be good with or without Haynesworth. But at the same time everyone talks about him coming back "in shape." What would you want done with him if he comes back in the same shape as last year, which I never heard anyone on the team or in the media claim was any different from the shape he was normally in.

[MrJL]

Didn't Shanahan say Nobody was getting traded? Only JC was told to go look somewhere else.


Shanahan said only Campbell had permission to seek a trade. Which says absolutely nothing about who the Redskins might be trying to trade.

[Yeen80]

Haynesworth needs to just STFU and play. Im sick of his attitude and crying

[dfbovey]

The other side of the coin is he does know what the skins want to do. If Haynesworth isn't moved it doesn't mean we weren't trying to move him. If he is moved it doesn't mean we were trying to move him, someone might have just come up with an offer out of nowhere we couldn't refuse.

I think the personal attacks on JLC are unneccessary. He informs us what his sources tell him. Not every trade that is discussed materializes so it's foolish to get mad at a reporter everytime they are wrong or misinformed. We should be thankful that there are people filling us in using their sources that we don't have.

La Confora hides behind annonymous sources in his articles... but seeing as how he's almost always wrong it looks like he really doesn't have sources at all. Just makes things up on the fly.

If he had legit sources, he'd be right more often than he is.

He's F.O.S.

[terrifNick21]

How many times have people said player x wouldn't get traded and then player x gets traded? Several. It's just a wait and see deal. No one knows what's gonna happen. But I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing what happens. :)

[Blue Collar Skins]

La Confora hides behind annonymous sources in his articles... but seeing as how he's almost always wrong it looks like he really doesn't have sources at all. Just makes things up on the fly.

If he had legit sources, he'd be right more often than he is.

He's F.O.S. Sssshhh! Then no one here would have anything to freak out about! :silly:

[HLF]

Ill take Schefter's word before I even consider JLC's but I do expect something to happen before draft day.

[Veretax]

Well let me see, AH is over 300 pounds right? So if he ate a butt load of chinese food the night before the draft, by the time he's on the clock he might have to make a huge move, of bowels that is... LOL Okay maybe that's not what JLC means but this story is getting old.

[The Cowboy Bamma Rocker]

Well let me see, AH is over 300 pounds right? So if he ate a butt load of chinese food the night before the draft, by the time he's on the clock he might have to make a huge move, of bowels that is... LOL Okay maybe that's not what JLC means but this story is getting old.

I could have just as easily went on with my day without picturing that, thanks... lol

[iXiBrianiXi]

What the heck...wrong topic. delete. >,>

[kmast000]

With Spags loving a good D-lineman it will be Haynesworth, Campbell, and our 4th overall pick for Carriaker and there 1st pick. And we will draft Bradford with that pick.

[terrifNick21]

With Spags loving a good D-lineman it will be Haynesworth, Campbell, and our 4th overall pick for Carriaker and there 1st pick. And we will draft Bradford with that pick.

You can't be serious.. :ols:

[BuryYourDuke]

If the best defensive lineman in the league only brings a 2nd, then I say keep him.

[HailGreen28]

We already made the huge downpayment right?

It's not about sunk cost, but if he's relatively cheap NOW and the NEAR FUTURE, and can still perform, why trade him now?

We should probably thank JLC for running this screen for us, to divert attention from what our front office is really doing.

Our FO better be regaining at least some of our picks, though. We should have fired them for giving good picks for a "win now" QB already.

[thecardiacrll]

We already made the huge downpayment right?

It's not about sunk cost, but if he's relatively cheap NOW and the NEAR FUTURE, and can still perform, why trade him now?

We should probably thank JLC for running this screen for us, to divert attention from what our front office is really doing.

Our FO better be regaining at least some of our picks, though. We should have fired them for giving good picks for a "win now" QB already. I agree just keep him because right now his stock is low but if he comes out in shape and dominating like he did his last year in Tennesee then his stock skyrockets and then if you want to get rid of him you can get a first. But getting rid of him just out of spite for him not working out with the team is hardheaded and very dumb.

[Chicken Fried]

I agree just keep him because right now his stock is low but if he comes out in shape and dominating like he did his last year in Tennesee then his stock skyrockets and then if you want to get rid of him you can get a first. But getting rid of him just out of spite for him not working out with the team is hardheaded and very dumb.
It just shows his attitude that he's more focused on his own performance than the good of the team. If he wasn't getting paid $21 in one check, I would understand.

[DallasSucks19922010]

WHEN ????????????


Oh you mean like when he reported that Jim Zorn will be fired at the end of last season?

Or when he reported that Mike Shanahan is in the running for the HC job with the Skins?

ETC, ETC, ETC.........................


All he has written about has either been previously discussed on ES, or some other news source.

He covers 32 teams at NFL Network not just the Redskins. Im not saying hes Adam Schefter who reports things way before the team even knows they will do it but to say everything he reports is inaccurate is stupid. You also dont have to act like it was a personal attack, get over your childish JLC hatred.

[BLEED-B&G]

How long does Canfora keep the NFL gig, he better hope something happens cause he's been screaming this for over a week. J Reid better stop running behind this guy or he'll be gone right after him.

It seems that's what sports journalism has turned into anyway, throw as much **** out there as you can you are bound to be right about something.

None of this is news and barely even an educated guess, I highly doubt JLC has any contacts with management knowledge.

If he's right......bravo ********

[skins2victory]

I think AH for a 3rd would be a huge mistake on our part!!!!!! That just is just plain not enough for him.

[Califan007]

Wasn't it being reported that the Redskins were going to make a "big splash" at the very beginning of free agency and were going to spend like it was "Monopoly money"?...That big splash was supposed to be Julius Peppers, and we were going to go "all out" to get him.

Yeah, I saw how that went lol...

Not to mention, I would think that it would somewhat sabotage any trade negotiations having Shanahan say publicly that he hopes the player he's trying to trade shows up in shape lol...

[iMeast]

No way I give him up for a third. Not worth it in my opinion. You know what you are getting with Haynesworth. In the draft it is always a gamble.

HTTR

[icbmayday]

JLC has no inside scoop

[SWFLSkins]

http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=321902

Did he really mean this^

[VaBeachRedskin]

JLC vs Schefter

the battle lines have been drawn

[Spartacus87]

JLC vs Schefter

the battle lines have been drawn
Haha, that's basically what it is.

Schefter, and to a small extent, our very own TK vs JLC.

[thesubmittedone]

^^Yup. It's definitely a war, and JLC is hedging his bets that AH will be traded due to Shanahan's past. It's actually logical... but annoying on his part. He may end up right but not because he knows anything. I hope AH comes in great shape and this fool gets humiliated!

[DexterSackMachine]

Trading Haynesworth for a 3rd round pick would create a giant crater where talent used to be on the defensive line. That's not a void that will be filled by a 3rd round pick.

JLC is a moron.

I agree with every word.

I'm all for moving players that don't blend into the team, but I say keep AH for another year or two until the talent level rises if all we can get is a 3rd rounder for him. That's a gyp.

[skinny21]

The Skins will acquire LT Jamaal Brown from the saints by trading Rocky Mcintosh and a pick next year...just what i think..

This was my exact thinking as well.

I would love to have an able LT, but I'm afraid of what pick we would have to give up.

[artmonkforHOF]

well the Saints need a DT, and rumour has it Jammal Brown is on the trade block in New Orleans, since he has not signed his tender and the Saints have Bushrod &some other guy ready to compete for the LT job.

Am I dreaming too big if the Skins trade Big Al for ProBowl LT Brown? then get BPA, (Berry?) at 4 if your LT is gone. Wow, in a perfect world I guess.

[LadySkinsFan]

My take on JLC: he looks at each team, checks out the players to see who is trade bait and then makes it all up in head so that he has something to "report" in his on air appearances. If he makes it sound logical, then the host of either Path to the Draft or Total Access tells him he did a good job finding that nugget. To us that know of his past with The Washington Post "reportage" we know a snow job when we hear it. Now JLC gets to do it for all 32 teams and not just the Redskins. Although because of his Redskins "expertise" we still have to listen to his prognostications.

[we_want_56]

Haha, that's basically what it is.

Schefter, and to a small extent, our very own TK vs JLC.


Well in the spirit of the WWE it's a good ole fashioned tag team match...

Adam Schefter and TK vs. JLC and Jason Reid.

When you look at it that way, I think it's safe to invest in an Albert Haynesworth jersey.

[JoeKnowsBest]

Come on Thursday!:munchout:

[lzeis24]

I cannot believe the Skins would move Haynesworth for a third round pick? Even a second rounder. I want AH to stay as a Skin. He is dominant player, and makes the entire defense that much better.

[LightningBuggs]

well the Saints need a DT, and rumour has it Jammal Brown is on the trade block in New Orleans, since he has not signed his tender and the Saints have Bushrod &some other guy ready to compete for the LT job.

Am I dreaming too big if the Skins trade Big Al for ProBowl LT Brown? then get BPA, (Berry?) at 4 if your LT is gone. Wow, in a perfect world I guess.

I've been dreaming of this scenario for weeks now. Would be a great trade for both teams.

[f_trizzy]

Well in the spirit of the WWE it's a good ole fashioned tag team match...

Adam Schefter and TK vs. JLC and Jason Reid.

When you look at it that way, I think it's safe to invest in an Albert Haynesworth jersey.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s200/Chip_Horton/EWR/JimRoss.jpg

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

[crank]

I wish I got paid to make up rumors.

[anar-k21]

ahhh draft day speculation!!!!! my favorite... i wouldnt listen to anything ya hear... just wait till thursday! interesting hypothetical though

[D-Day]

I wouldn't be surprised if the skins are playing JLC like a fiddle.

[kmast000]

You can't be serious.. :ols:

Yes I am serious. PFT just reported that the Rams are willing to move down for cheap. At #4 they can still get the man they want and not feel the pressure from not taking Bradford. Plus they would get a dominant DT in Haynesworth. Spags is known for collecting D-line. Adam Carraiker has fallen out of favor in STL and remeber a couple of months ago Haslet spoke about how great Carrakier was. The Rams also need a QB. Jason Campbell fits that bill for the short term. This will allow the Rams to get a QB and not have to break the bank on the last year before a rookie wage scale is put in place. With the Redskins having that #1 pick they will choose Bradford to groom behind McNab for the next two years. Do you think the signing of all these NT's was just for depth? The Redskins are ready to move on without Haynesworth.

[CallMeGreen]

Adam Schefter and TK vs. JLC and Jason Reid.

When you look at it that way, I think it's safe to invest in an Albert Haynesworth jersey.
I have no way of knowing about anything behind the scenes going on, BUT, somehow when someone makes a bold statement like this in the face of the rampant trade rumors...let's just say I could see this comment coming back to haunt.


I wouldn't be surprised if the skins are playing JLC like a fiddle.
Wouldn't be first time. Here's the JLC vs. Schefter breakdown. JLC formerly had some inroads to Redskins Park, but has lost some sources with the front office turnover. Schefter has a long history with Shanahan from their Denver days, and now Shanahan is entrenched in DC. You do the math on who's more likely to be connected. From the moment BA and MS got here Schefter's accuracy ratings started going up.

Still, despite the many, many times TK has come into these Haynesworth rumor threads and refuted them, I can't help but notice his absence here. Has he just grown tired of the same retread posts, or has something behind the scenes maybe changed this time?

[kmast000]

I have no way of knowing about anything behind the scenes going on, BUT, somehow when someone makes a bold statement like this in the face of the rampant trade rumors...let's just say I could see this comment coming back to haunt.


Wouldn't be first time. Here's the JLC vs. Schefter breakdown. JLC formerly had some inroads to Redskins Park, but has lost some sources with the front office turnover. Schefter has a long history with Shanahan from their Denver days, and now Shanahan is entrenched in DC. You do the math on who's more likely to be connected. From the moment BA and MS got here Schefter's accuracy ratings started going up.

Still, despite the many, many times TK has come into these Haynesworth rumor threads and refuted them, I can't help but notice his absence here. Has he just grown tired of the same retread posts, or has something behind the scenes maybe changed this time?

I think we rely on TK to much as an insider. I would not consider him as in the loop. Yes he has access that others dont but it's not like he is in the inner circle.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I think we rely on TK to much as an insider. I would not consider him as in the loop. Yes he has access that others dont but it's not like he is in the inner circle.

At some point I'm just going to stop caring about this. It may have already happened. I have no invested interest in AH so to me as long as he shows up ready to play and in shape I could careless. However, if the Skins decide to trade him for more picks and the skins get some offensive linemen I won't be upset at all.

AH represents the past mistakes of the franchise and everything wrong with the current roster full of me first players. I hope that has all changed since SHanny came onboard but there is no evidence yet to the contrary. I can't wait until the skins actually have draft picks and a roster stocked with young players, a franchise qb from this year or next years draft (or cb15 lol).

[Skinsinparadise]

Wouldn't be first time. Here's the JLC vs. Schefter breakdown. JLC formerly had some inroads to Redskins Park, but has lost some sources with the front office turnover. Schefter has a long history with Shanahan from their Denver days, and now Shanahan is entrenched in DC. You do the math on who's more likely to be connected. From the moment BA and MS got here Schefter's accuracy ratings started going up.

Schefter obviously has that tie to Shanny but that cuts both ways -- if Shanny and Allen are as Machiavellian as some purport them to be -- one theory about trading players is that you don't want to look like you are aggressively shopping them but do it in a more understated way to get value.

If you play it like we want to get this guy out of here, teams will have the upper hand from a leverage stand point in trades. If you play it below the radar, do enough to indicate that you are willing to listen to a trade, but you aren't active shopping that player and would be perfectly happy having him on the team -- then some would say its a better way to maintain leverage.

And if so, wouldn't Schefter be a good tool to get that message out? I don't think its a secret to Shanny that other people know that he's close with Schefter so he can use that to game something like this out. You have sources talking about them trying to trade AH, apparently they tried to do so with Philly. So there is just enough out there to indicate to the NFL that he is on the market, but they use Schefter to balance it out some. Just a theory.

[Veretax]

I tell you one thing, Draft Day can't get here soon enough. Which actually, I know a lot of people like Okung, but its interesting that he played against Rak in the Big 12, are there any other matchups like that where we drafted one guy one side of the ball, and another guy the other side of the ball in our history? I couldn't think of any.

[Soup's Uncle]

It'd be so awesome to trade Haynesworth for a player and a pick.

[Buford]

I believe they are attempting to move some guys, and trade down if they can.

But if neither happen, it won't be from lack of trying.

Also, with Haynesworth.....I would look at teams with solid OL's to trade with. I would be happy with a lower pick if a OL came with it.

[wvtbred]

It'd be so awesome to trade Haynesworth for a player and a pick.

How about to move up in the first? :)

[Soup's Uncle]

How about to move up in the first? :)
Anything to get a better (or more) pick(s).

[Titaw]

When was the last time JLC was right?

[CallMeGreen]

...are there any other matchups like that where we drafted one guy one side of the ball, and another guy the other side of the ball in our history? I couldn't think of any.
I can't recall any right off the top of my head. I know there have been cases where a team researches particular player for drafting purposes, then becomes enamored with one of that guy's teammates. Can't say if that's ever happened here with either drafted or UFAs, but it certainly seems possible.

Closest I could find was two USC guys. Dallas Sartz, LB (2007) would've played against Fred Davis, TE (2008).

Here's a link that shows the Redskins Draft history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_draft_history), but it doesn't have the UFAs they picked up. One matchup I was looking for was Stephon Heyer, OL (2007, UFA) having played against Del Cowsette, DT (2000), but they were too many years apart.

[santana_4_prez]

Interesting thought.

TK hasn't commented on this thread...he was strongly denying any trade rumors before regarding Big Al, but now...crickets...

[wvtbred]

Anything to get a better (or more) pick(s).

I think there is a good chance that we may work something out with the Rams. Let's say they take Bradford so he and his agent are happy (getting 1st money) then they trade him to us for Haynesworth and JC plus maybe another player.

[CallMeGreen]

How about to move up in the first? :)
I really, really hope we're not planning a 'Ricky Williams' draft maneuver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NFL_Draft) just to slide up to get Bradford.

[redskindan07]

No kidding, we have too many needs on this team for that

[kmast000]

I really, really hope we're not planning a 'Ricky Williams' draft maneuver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NFL_Draft) just to slide up to get Bradford.

Nope Just getting rid of the trash (Haynesworth, and Campbell) to move up to #1. And maybe aquire a piece of the puzzle in Carriaker for our 3-4 Defense.

[santana_4_prez]

I just hope we don't sell the farm just to draft a QB. We can draft one next year.

[RumbleSkinsRumble]

What if the coaches saying we're keeping AH is the real smoke screen. We have to act like we want him to get what we want in return. If teams think we're just trying to dump him we won't get much of an offer

[jimster]

what if the real smokescreen is making everyone think we're creating a smokescreen but the real smokescreen is the fake smokescreen, then everyone else will be smokescreened.

[Soup's Uncle]

TK said he's not going to give us any more info, I believe.

[DCranon21]

Thursday can't get here any sooner. I don't understand why we want the overall #1 pick this year. Besides, there is another QB crop coming out next year, that will be solid, and don't have to sell the farm for.

[NattyLight]

Dumbest move ever. Plus, I don't understand why the Skins would trade their starting nose tackle.

[dadirtbags]

hopefully the big move is one 6-6.... 350 lbs...aka Fat Albert

Dont get me wrong...he is talented...just not into the fact that our new head coach wants our team leaders to lead...for that type of money he is making ....if It were me..I would set up a sleeping bag next to my locker if I thought it would help

[skinnyfan57]

I'm not saying this will happen, I don't want this to happen, but I won't be surprised if we trade Cooley.


1. We need picks

2. That's the ONLY position where we could trade a player and still have a quality starter

3. He hasn't done much since 2007

4. Cooley has been unusually quiet recently




P.S. Expect JLC to read this post and run with it.

[DCranon21]

hopefully the big move is one 6-6.... 350 lbs...aka Fat Albert

Dont get me wrong...he is talented...just not into the fact that our new head coach wants our team leaders to lead...for that type of money he is making ....if It were me..I would set up a sleeping bag next to my locker if I thought it would help


My question is, who do you replace him with? You won't get any real value for him if you trade him away. I hear everyone saying trade him, but remember this, without him last season Orakpo and Carter wouldn't have 11 sacks a piece. You don't trade Grade A talent, because the media wants to report he didn't show up for a voluntary workout. I've said this before, lets see what he looks like when the mandatory workout comes about and the first pre-season game.

[Taylor 36]

It's JLC. Why should anyone believe this? Even if Big Al is traded this week, I'm not buying that JLC had any info on it ahead of time. It will just be that some of the **** he threw against the wall finally stuck.

[GibbsFactor]

The only way I'd be happy with trading Haynesworth is for Detroits first two picks.

Seriously.

For Rocky, Carter? Nothing short of a second rounder.

JC? I'd like to get a 4th but it looks like a ham sandwich may be more appropriate.

[santana_4_prez]

I'm not saying this will happen, I don't want this to happen, but I won't be surprised if we trade Cooley.


1. We need picks

2. That's the ONLY position where we could trade a player and still have a quality starter

3. He hasn't done much since 2007

4. Cooley has been unusually quiet recently




P.S. Expect JLC to read this post and run with it.

Well Scheffler's trade value was about a 5th rounder. Cooley isn't THAT much better than him.

That would be a huge mistake IMO.

[MattFancy]

I'd rather believe Schefter or anything Skins related. He's been spot on all offseason. What does JLC know?

[wvtbred]

I just hope we don't sell the farm just to draft a QB. We can draft one next year.

Not if they believe Bradford is THE ONE.

[bobzmuda]

Yes I am serious. PFT just reported that the Rams are willing to move down for cheap. At #4 they can still get the man they want and not feel the pressure from not taking Bradford. Plus they would get a dominant DT in Haynesworth. Spags is known for collecting D-line. Adam Carraiker has fallen out of favor in STL and remeber a couple of months ago Haslet spoke about how great Carrakier was. The Rams also need a QB. Jason Campbell fits that bill for the short term. This will allow the Rams to get a QB and not have to break the bank on the last year before a rookie wage scale is put in place. With the Redskins having that #1 pick they will choose Bradford to groom behind McNab for the next two years. Do you think the signing of all these NT's was just for depth? The Redskins are ready to move on without Haynesworth.

I agree with your thinking. I'm not saying it is certain to play out like that, but I agree with your reading of the situation.

I do wonder about how negotiations with McNabb for a new deal would go after the draft if they took Bradford. Not well I would think.

If the Skins do sign McNabb to a new deal/extension before the draft I would expect the Skins to take a QB in the draft at some point. Even if they did sign him to an extension, I wonder if they would announce it.

[kmast000]

I agree with your thinking. I'm not saying it is certain to play out like that, but I agree with your reading of the situation.

I do wonder about how negotiations with McNabb for a new deal would go after the draft if they took Bradford. Not well I would think.

If the Skins do sign McNabb to a new deal/extension before the draft I would expect the Skins to take a QB in the draft at some point. Even if they did sign him to an extension, I wonder if they would announce it.

There was a post talking about a McNabb extension on here and they said they are not even close. I think they don't give him the extenion and then franchise him the next year if Bradford is not ready by then. That way they have all of there bases covered.

[bulldog]

so, a team coming off 4-12 trades #2 and #3 picks for McNabb to have him for one season and then uses a #4 overall pick or equivalent on ANOTHER quarterback for the future? :)

this would be great thinking if this were the NBA and we were talking about franchise centers or point guards.

But in the NFL you do have to cobble together a 53 man roster.

It would be foolish for this team to invest that much in one position and then go with street free agents, 3 low draft picks and some waiver wire picks to balance out the roster.

If Allen and Shanahan were to do that, they would show themselves to be no better than Vinny Cerrato and Co. who decided that the team need only draft skill players and ignore both OL and DL.

Ironic isn't it that the final pick of the Cerrato years, Brian Orakpo (finally a DE), will probably turn out to be the best since Chris Samuels in 2000.

[Chicken Fried]

Well Scheffler's trade value was about a 5th rounder. Cooley isn't THAT much better than him.

That would be a huge mistake IMO.
We can't trade Cooley for anything less than a high 2nd. Still, if that's all we get, we might as well keep him and implement a 2 TE set.

[Chicken Fried]

so, a team coming off 4-12 trades #2 and #3 picks for McNabb to have him for one season and then uses a #4 overall pick or equivalent on ANOTHER quarterback for the future? :)

this would be great thinking if this were the NBA and we were talking about franchise centers or point guards.

But in the NFL you do have to cobble together a 53 man roster.

It would be foolish for this team to invest that much in one position and then go with street free agents, 3 low draft picks and some waiver wire picks to balance out the roster.

If Allen and Shanahan were to do that, they would show themselves to be no better than Vinny Cerrato and Co. who decided that the team need only draft skill players and ignore both OL and DL.

Ironic isn't it that the final pick of the Cerrato years, Brian Orakpo (finally a DE), will probably turn out to be the best since Chris Samuels in 2000.
We might be forced to invest that much in the QB position because we were stupid enough to trade for McNabb. We have no QB of the future to be grooming right now. I'd love to really, really, give Colt a real shot, but we all know that won't happen. Looking ahead, I think next year's QB class is horrible.

[skinsfan913]

Are you kidding me?!! $31m already paid to AH and we would let him go for a 3rd? PASS!!

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Um big Al for a 3rd! Thats just funny!!

[dadirtbags]

you know what...I do believe something big is going to happen...I have a feeling we are going to package a group of players for the number one and another draft pick with the rams

something like

rams get: Campbell, AH, Portis, Carter, Rocky and our 4th
Redskins get: first pick, 2nd round pick and Adam Carriker

[Hardcore Zornography]

you know what...I do believe something big is going to happen...I have a feeling we are going to package a group of players for the number one and another draft pick with the rams

something like

rams get: Campbell, AH, Portis, Carter, Rocky and our 4th
Redskins get: first pick, 2nd round pick and Adam Carriker


I fear you misunderstood. JLC was talking about real life. Not Madden.

[dadirtbags]

I fear you misunderstood. JLC was talking about real life. Not Madden.

LOL!!!! I dont do madden...but I do do common sense...but I do admit...I dont know the numbers or what deals fall thru....draft chart and value of players ..all im saying is i think some kind of big move will be made with the rams if there is a big move...

lets break it down (minus your madden gamecube...LOL!!!) heard rumors that the rams want Carter (a 4-3 DE)...also looking for a QB (possibly campbell)...also heard rumors of the Rams interested in AH...also read that the rams looked at Willie Parker and really liked him. (tells me they would like to add a vet RB behind Sjack)

Redskins...rumored... they would like a franchise QB (although we have Mcnabb now) we would like extra draft picks..rumored that we are interested in Adam Carriker.

Like I said...i dont know the value chart for players and all...but if there is a big move like this thread is suggesting...I think we will see something of this magnitude.

The irony of the whole thing would be...get this...this did happen in the early 70s...with both these two exact teams...George ...father of Bruce traded our (redskins draft picks) for Ram players (btw...that was even before your Madden gameboy was in existance ;) )



"Shortly after joining the Redskins Allen began remaking the roster to his liking; he made a series of trades with his former Ram team and brought seven 1970 Los Angeles players to Washington, including the starting linebacker corps (Maxie Baughan, Myron Pottios, and Pardee). Sportswriters nicknamed the team the "Ramskins" or the "Redrams." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(American_football_coach)

[Hardcore Zornography]

LOL!!!! I dont do madden...but I do do common sense...but I do admit...I dont know the numbers or what deals fall thru....draft chart and value of players ..all im saying is i think some kind of big move will be made with the rams if there is a big move...

lets break it down (minus your madden gamecube...LOL!!!) heard rumors that the rams want Carter (a 4-3 DE)...also looking for a QB (possibly campbell)...also heard rumors of the Rams interested in AH...also read that the rams looked at Willie Parker and really liked him. (tells me they would like to add a vet RB behind Sjack)

Redskins...rumored... they would like a franchise QB (although we have Mcnabb now) we would like extra draft picks..rumored that we are interested in Adam Carriker.

Like I said...i dont know the value chart for players and all...but if there is a big move like this thread is suggesting...I think we will see something of this magnitude.

The irony of the whole thing would be...get this...this did happen in the early 70s...with both these two exact teams...George ...father of Bruce traded our (redskins draft picks) for Ram players (btw...that was even before your Madden gameboy was in existance ;) )



"Shortly after joining the Redskins Allen began remaking the roster to his liking; he made a series of trades with his former Ram team and brought seven 1970 Los Angeles players to Washington, including the starting linebacker corps (Maxie Baughan, Myron Pottios, and Pardee). Sportswriters nicknamed the team the "Ramskins" or the "Redrams." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(American_football_coach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_%28American_football_coach))


I think the "big" move could be the signing of Me.O. I have a bad feeling we are going to let McNabb waltz in here and start granting his every request. So that would be my best guess.

[bobzmuda]

I think the "big" move could be the signing of Me.O. I have a bad feeling we are going to let McNabb waltz in here and start granting his every request. So that would be my best guess.


Why would you think that? Shannahan is barely tolerating the same attitude from a much, much more talented player at a much, much more desirable position (DL).

TO is not coming to DC.

[StepyagameuP]

you know what...I do believe something big is going to happen...I have a feeling we are going to package a group of players for the number one and another draft pick with the rams

something like

rams get: Campbell, AH, Portis, Carter, Rocky and our 4th
Redskins get: first pick, 2nd round pick and Adam Carriker

That is way too much to give up, imo. I would say our 4th and AH is enough to move to the #1 position. Throwing everybody else in for a 2nd rounder and Carriker is overkill...

I wouldnt be suprised at all if a complicated trade SIMILIAR to this went down...

[SonnyRules]

JLC has been wrong so many times; why does anyone still listen o this guy?

[jimster]

I dont see how Shanahan and Allen, wanting to change the me first culture, bring in a player like TO or let a player (McNabb) tell them who to sign. That would be doing the opposite.

The only players I think could be traded are Carter and/or Rocky. I don't know that those two combined would get us high 2nd round pick, but I'd be ok with it it did.

[Hardcore Zornography]

Why would you think that? Shannahan is barely tolerating the same attitude from a much, much more talented player at a much, much more desirable position (DL).

TO is not coming to DC.


I hope you are right. I already can't stand McNabb, but I am willing to tolerate him since he is a Skin. But TO would be the knife to the heart and swift kick to the grapefruits.

I just have a weird feeling, and hope I am wrong.

[gutlead74]

I love how JLC claimed to call the McNabb to DC by saying there is a mystery team involved, his swollen smug smirk makes me sick. Now he buzzes a headline that the skins are going to do something big, the same general statement fortune tellers have used to scam for thousands of years.

[Homercles82]

I hope you are right. I already can't stand McNabb, but I am willing to tolerate him since he is a Skin. But TO would be the knife to the heart and swift kick to the grapefruits.

I just have a weird feeling, and hope I am wrong.
He hasn't even played a down and you cannot stand him? He is a major upgrade and maybe he feels the Skins can win this year with someone of TO's caliber.

I see the Skins trying to package their 4th pick plus 2 players to the Rams for the 1st pick and a 2nd or 3rd rounder. It may even be one less because I have read reports that the Rams are willing to take less to get out of the 1st pick.

If they feel they can take Suh, McCoy or Clausen at 4 then why wouldn't they trade?

[dadirtbags]

I think the "big" move could be the signing of Me.O. I have a bad feeling we are going to let McNabb waltz in here and start granting his every request. So that would be my best guess.

you could be right...but I have been doing a ton of reading (searching on Rams news) due to the rumors I have been hearing about a possible trade with us....and the interest they have had with our players as well as free agents

the one huge issue with the rams...they need to turn things around fast...there franchise is hurting with ticket sales...I dont think a rookie QB who is wet behind the ears is going to do it for them in the now catagory...IMO...they need vets ...but have a ton of draft picks

I can actually see us grouping up a handful of players (which shanny does not see fit with his scheme within our organization) and trade them for draft picks and Adam Carriker...(btw...rams have a ton of draft picks)

one thing that stood out ..I heard Bruce Allen say that the trade chart is messed up...is not trade friendly...that he really isnt too concerned with following that guide...this morning ...I read some news about the Rams are still rumored to trade that number one pick (they need to fill a ton of positions vs just one)...and within that article..someone from the rams organization said they are not too concerned with the chart rating... that if the right trade were to happen...they would do it...JMHO

[Probos]

Sorry, I'm just not buying it.

You should really say -- you don't WANT to buy it,...but it your gut you know it's probably gonna happen.

[Merlin Emrys]

I'll take Schefter and TK for $ 500 Alex.

This is not in defense of JLC, but since when is TK on Schefter's level? The guy is no Andyman.

[Blue Collar Skins]

This is not in defense of JLC, but since when is TK on Schefter's level? The guy is no Andyman.

No one is like Andyman but TK is so much closer to Andyman than JLC can hope to ever be.


you know what...I do believe something big is going to happen...I have a feeling we are going to package a group of players for the number one and another draft pick with the rams

something like

rams get: Campbell, AH, Portis, Carter, Rocky and our 4th
Redskins get: first pick, 2nd round pick and Adam Carriker I would be shocked if this was the case. How could we afford to have 2 high draft choices? We will be getting the cap back sometime soon, and that is a ton of money to tie up with 2 players.


That is way too much to give up, imo. I would say our 4th and AH is enough to move to the #1 position. Throwing everybody else in for a 2nd rounder and Carriker is overkill...

I wouldnt be suprised at all if a complicated trade SIMILIAR to this went down...

He never mentioned us giving up our #4 overall pick. He was saying he thinks we would trade all those players for the 1st overall, a 2nd round, and Carriker.

[Portis for 6]

Well gee... AH is all over NFL network right now, and rumors about a trade have been swirling around for weeks now. There's a chance somthing Big may go down.... NO CRAP!!!!

[skinnyfan57]

I would be shocked if this was the case. How could we afford to have 2 high draft choices? We will be getting the cap back sometime soon, and that is a ton of money to tie up with 2 players.



He never mentioned us giving up our #4 overall pick. He was saying he thinks we would trade all those players for the 1st overall, a 2nd round, and Carriker.

Read it again.

[pjfootballer]

Per my league sources, JLC is an asshat! And he could get traded to the Versus network sometime this week.

[dadirtbags]

Read it again.

you are right...like I said...not sure how many players or what we would have to get to move up to number one...the above was only an example...but I do find it interesting with all the articles/rumors...it could be nothing...maybe I am just reading too much into it or something

http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2010/04/14/report-rams-should-trade-for-redskins-qb-campbell/

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2009/11/11/1126013/more-thoughts-on-jason-campbell

http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/125413-redskins-dangling-de-andre-carter-towards-rams.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/378801-the-rams-must-do-the-deal-for-albert-haynesworth

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/20/talk-increases-that-rams-would-trade-down-on-the-cheap/

there are many more articles too...just did a quick look up...JMHO

[bulldog]

How about this?

We acquired McNabb. Now we trade up to draft Bradford and THEN to cover all the bases package a deal to Buffalo at #9 including next year's #1 and #2 plus players to draft Clausen and MAKE SURE we have the quarterback position covered :D

[bobzmuda]

I think JLC has gotten lots of rumblings from other teams, and from his sources with the Skins that something big is brewing. I just don't think he's got enough anything specific to call it.

[martytheman]

IF the skins could package players/picks for #1 overall, and it didnt break the bank, the #1 would be worth a ton to a team looking for bradford, id trade that #1 in a heartbeat if it'd bring in a boatload of picks, and leave us in a better overall position as a TEAM. Contrary to popular opinion around here, a super high priced rookie is NOT what we need at the moment, id be willing to wait a year or two for another one after shoring up other positions first (read:OL)

[TD_washingtonredskins]

IF the skins could package players/picks for #1 overall, and it didnt break the bank, the #1 would be worth a ton to a team looking for bradford, id trade that #1 in a heartbeat if it'd bring in a boatload of picks, and leave us in a better overall position as a TEAM. Contrary to popular opinion around here, a super high priced rookie is NOT what we need at the moment, id be willing to wait a year or two for another one after shoring up other positions first (read:OL)

I suppose that would be an option if the net gain at the end of both transactions leaves you in better shape. It seems like a lot of maneuvering to unload players and picks in order to acquire the #1 simply to then unload the #1 in order to acquire picks.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Why doesn't Florio employ JLC as his second in command, b/s charlatan journo extraordinaire and be done with it?

Hail.

[Hardcore Zornography]

He hasn't even played a down and you cannot stand him? He is a major upgrade and maybe he feels the Skins can win this year with someone of TO's caliber.

I see the Skins trying to package their 4th pick plus 2 players to the Rams for the 1st pick and a 2nd or 3rd rounder. It may even be one less because I have read reports that the Rams are willing to take less to get out of the 1st pick.

If they feel they can take Suh, McCoy or Clausen at 4 then why wouldn't they trade?

I hated him before he came to Washington. I hated him when he was at Syracuse, hated him when he was at Philly, so I can't just flip a switch and force myself to like him because he is a Skin now. It's not that I don't think he is an upgrade over our current crop of QB's...I just don't like the guy. There has just always been something about him that I can't put my finger on.

[ST is my boy]

Adam Carriker = big move?

[Merlin Emrys]

No one is like Andyman but TK is so much closer to Andyman than JLC can hope to ever be.

That comparison still isn't accurate, but I was questioning a poster who put TK in the same sentence with Schefter, not JLC.

[CallMeGreen]

Adam Carriker = big move?
In JLC's mind, probably yeah, it does. I guess technically it's a pretty big deal around here right now, given the posting traffic.

[fdarugar]

Why doesn't Florio employ JLC as his second in command, b/s charlatan journo extraordinaire and be done with it?

Hail.

Whats up with the english slang? Watch too much green street hooligans?

[nemocystem]

Adam Carriker = big move?

i was skimming through this thread wondering how long it took somebody to post a quip about the Carriker trade that went down this morning.

lol...

hardly the "BIG TRADE" i think JLC was boasting about.

still...not too enthralled about giving up yet ANOTHER pic, even though it is a 5th rounder.

that said, i think this hints at more trades for sure. getting Carriker makes AH getting gone an almost forgone conclusion, & i'm assuming it may be for 2 early to mid-rounders.

it also completely eliminates the Rams as potential AH trade partners (unless there's some sort of trade contingency based on them picking somebody with their first & then making the swap official when our 4th comes around so long as the player they want is still around).

still...too much to speculate with less than 2 days until draft-time. i'm ready to just sit & watch.

here's to hoping we know what the eff we're doing.

Hail

[dadirtbags]

well IMO...we have a handful of talent which we can now trade for draft picks...AH...JC...and AC...JMHO

[Jacoby6644]

There is going to be more than a swapping of 5ths and Carriker. Stay tuned!!!!!!!!

[capt1an chaos]

Whats up with the english slang? Watch too much green street hooligans?

He is in England......;)

[JC#17]

Adam Carriker = big move?

No, it's not the big deal....just wait

[fdarugar]

He is in England......;)

If you put me in Africa, I wont start talking African...just saying.

[fdarugar]

No, it's not the big deal....just wait

u some sort of insider?

[mcgraw238]

u some sort of insider?

I'd check his posting history and make your own conclusions whether he has any info. It seems best to leave it at that on these type of things.

[fdarugar]

I'd check his posting history and make your own conclusions whether he has any info. It seems best to leave it at that on these type of things.

Based upon this...I'm gunna say this JC#17 guy thinks we have a big trade involving AH coming up.

[santana_4_prez]

john_keim

Heard their name again today as well. RT @TheRedzoneorg Titans have been talking to Redskins about Haynesworth http://tinyurl.com/y7g36cz

[fdarugar]

http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2010/04/20/haynesworth-trade-would-buck-trend/

Thats the article he is taking this info from, doesnt look like anything new.

[VaK9Trainer]

Just a thought here but how about Haynesworth and the #4 pick to move up to #1 and draft Bradford? It could happen! Cant wait til thursday.

[JC#17]

AH and Tenn, don't be suprised if it happens

[jflow78]

No, it's not the big deal....just wait

:ols: I agree, if anyone give credit to JLC for the Carriker trade, I'm going to beat a kitty to pulp. That's ridiculous, Carriker is NOT a big move. He's got potential, but that is most definitely not a big move.

Well, unless it was like JLC's "bombshell" when Denver apologized to Jay Cutler or Marshall or whoever.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=295075&page=3

Oh man, that was one of the most embarrassing moments for a sports journalist I've ever seen, I enjoyed it thoroughly.

[santana_4_prez]

AH and Tenn, don't be suprised if it happens

Well they have a #1 and two #3s...we better either get their #1 or both their #3s...

or they better throw in a player to sweeten it up.

[mcgraw238]

Well they have a #1 and two #3s...we better either get their #1 or both their #3s...

or they better throw in a player to sweeten it up.

One of the 3's is a comp pick for losing AH; TK noted that comp picks can't be traded.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Well they have a #1 and two #3s...we better either get their #1 or both their #3s...

or they better throw in a player to sweeten it up.

Tennessee won't give up their #1 for Haynesworth. He's not going anywhere anytime soon if Shanahan and Allen appreciate fair value (and it certainly seems like they do).

[santana_4_prez]

One of the 3's is a comp pick for losing AH; TK noted that comp picks can't be traded.

Gotcha. Thanks!

[MrJL]

Tennessee won't give up their #1 for Haynesworth. He's not going anywhere anytime soon if Shanahan and Allen appreciate fair value (and it certainly seems like they do).

we could get the third and a pick or two next year.

[bulldog]

I still think the trade of AH to the Saints for Jamaal Brown is a better option. The Saints can't give all of their restricted free agent OL long-term deals and they have 3 of them, all have been key contributors the past couple of years.

With Brown on board at LT, the Redskins would be free at #4 overall to perhaps trade down and draft Clausen at #9 or #13 and pickup a #2 selection to grab another OL or WR.

[HigSkin]

I still think the trade of AH to the Saints for Jamaal Brown is a better option. The Saints can't give all of their restricted free agent OL long-term deals and they have 3 of them, all have been key contributors the past couple of years.

With Brown on board at LT, the Redskins would be free at #4 overall to perhaps trade down and draft Clausen at #9 or #13 and pickup a #2 selection to grab another OL or WR.

I wonder if this might involve Michael Roos, TN's LT?

[bulldog]

Albert Haynesworth has gradually put himself up there to where Deion Sanders was after the 2000 season. I wanted him and his act OUT of town and fast.

I don't know when in the future the Redskins will win the Super Bowl or be a top contender but it won't be with this bum in the lineup.

He is nothing but a pain in the ***.

And whatever he contributes on the field is done in a way that he pollutes the locker room and takes away from it off the field.

Just look at this team right now.

Even questionable characters like Clinton Portis and Larry Johnson are step with what is going on at Redskins Park.

But Haynesworth is going to continue to set himself apart.

And the Redskins need to excise him but do it in a way where we get value back for him :)

[DCdangerous]

And I think the only minimum compensation we should get for Haynesworth is a 2nd AND a 3rd round pick.

[bulldog]

I think a pro bowl caliber LT is adequate compensation :)

[Horton_Predator48]

I'll take draft picks. 2nd and 3rd for this year.

[bulldog]

won't get both picks.

again, rather have an established but still young (26) player in return.

[ConnSKINS26]

I think a pro bowl caliber LT is adequate compensation :)

So do I. And maybe a fourth round pick, just for kicks :cool: This type of deal would really give us the freedom to hit on that #4 pick, no matter the player chosen, or trade down in any way we see fit.

[TK]

and a pick or two next year.
Unless there's a lockout next year which makes those picks useless.

But it'd mean we only gave up a 2nd for McNabb. :)

[Mr. Sinister]

I'll take draft picks. 2nd and 3rd for this year.

I'd take that

[U C S D SkinsFan]

I'd love for us to get the Saints LT. I know AH is good and all, but he's a cancer. I'd even take a 2nd rounder for him. Get fat boy outta here.

[MrJL]

Unless there's a lockout next year which makes those picks useless.

But it'd mean only gave up a 2nd for McNabb. :)


there'd still be a draft I'm sure.

[TK]

I still think the trade of AH to the Saints for Jamaal Brown is a better option.
Brown hasn't sided his tender yet so he's untradable until he does. Oh & a certain someone there would actually want to have AH.

[SkinsFanMania]

Unless there's a lockout next year which makes those picks useless.

But it'd mean only gave up a 2nd for McNabb. :)

According to Goodell, the 2011 draft WILL still happen, even if their is a lockout. Hence, the picks will not be useless.

[Burgundy Burner]

Brown hasn't sided his tender yet so he's untradable until he does. Oh & a certain someone there would actually want to have AH.

Reading the tea leaves or just idle gossip - or wishful thinking?

[bulldog]

The Redskins have dumped a lot of salary and commitments for 2010.

I don't think signing Brown to a long-term deal will be that much of a problem for this organization if Shanahan tells Snyder he needs Brown.

[MrJL]

Can't teams trade players rights?

[HigSkin]

Unless there's a lockout next year which makes those picks useless.

But it'd mean we only gave up a 2nd for McNabb. :)

I've had a theory about your point for a while but to go along with the threat of a lockout. More to do with the rush of JR's this year because of the potential rookie cap next year. We probably won't see a flood of them next year. I think beyond round 1 it's likely to be pretty week draft. So yea, some lower rounds picks could just be garbage.

[VaBeachRedskin]

I've had a theory about your point for a while but to go along with the threat of a lockout. More to do with the rush of JR's this year because of the potential rookie cap next year. We probably won't see a flood of them next year. I think beyond round 1 it's likely to be pretty week draft. So yea, some lower rounds picks could just be garbage.

Next year's draft is going to be way stronger than this year's draft. Better QBs, RBs, WRs, OGs, Cs, DEs, and CBs. The OT, OLB, and S classes look to be equal. This year's class has better TEs, DTs, and ILBs.

[dfbovey]

Next year's draft is going to be way stronger than this year's draft. Better QBs, RBs, WRs, OGs, Cs, DEs, and CBs. The OT, OLB, and S classes look to be equal. This year's class has better TEs, DTs, and ILBs.

I disagree. Due to the threat of a rookie wage scale being put in place, this year had a record number of underclassmen declare for the draft and is considered the deepest draft in quite some time because of it. And that depth comes at the expense of quality in next year's draft. Next year's draft is going to be a dud.

[VaBeachRedskin]

I disagree. Due to the threat of a rookie wage scale being put in place, this year had a record number of underclassmen declare for the draft and is considered the deepest draft in quite some time because of it. And that depth comes at the expense of quality in next year's draft. Next year's draft is going to be a dud.

Here is a quick list I threw together with 75 names of draft eligible guys next year (obviously all of the underclassmen won't declare, but there will still be a fair amount). I left some players out that I don't really like and threw a couple wildcards in. I will stack that up against the top 75 from this year in a heartbeat.

Jake Locker
Christian Ponder
Jerrod Johnson
Pat Devlin
Ryan Mallett
Blaine Gabbert
Nick Foles
Andrew Luck
Noel Devine
Daniel Thomas
Mark Ingram
Ryan Williams
Julio Jones
A.J. Green
Michael Floyd
Jonathan Baldwin
Ryan Broyles
Luke Stocker
Kyle Rudolph
Blake Ayles
Gabe Carimi
Nate Solder
Anthony Castonzo
Clint Boling
Joseph Barksdale
Derek Sherrod
Lee Ziemba
Matt Reynolds
Nate Potter
Tyron Smith
Rodney Hudson
Justin Boren
Stefen Wisniewski
Kris O’Dowd
Mike Pouncey
Mike Brewster
Cameron Heyward
Adrian Clayborn
Greg Romeus
Pernell McPhee
Christian Ballard
Robert Quinn
Marcel Dareus
DaQuan Bowers
Jack Crawford
Aldon Smith
Marvin Austin
Allen Bailey
Stephen Paea
Jerrell Powe
Phil Taylor
Jurrell Casey
Jared Crick
Bruce Carter
Mark Herzlich
Michael Morgan
Travis Lewis
Akeem Ayers
Nigel Bradham
Greg Jones
Donta Hightower
Prince Amukamara
Rashad Carmichael
Ras-I Dowling
Kendric Burney
Patrick Peterson
Aaron Williams
Brandon Harris
Deunta Williams
Chris Culliver
Rahim Moore
Will Hill
DeAndre McDaniel
Mark Barron
Kai Forbath

[bedlamVR]

Albert Haynesworth has gradually put himself up there to where Deion Sanders was after the 2000 season. I wanted him and his act OUT of town and fast.

I don't know when in the future the Redskins will win the Super Bowl or be a top contender but it won't be with this bum in the lineup.

He is nothing but a pain in the ***.

And whatever he contributes on the field is done in a way that he pollutes the locker room and takes away from it off the field.

Just look at this team right now.

Even questionable characters like Clinton Portis and Larry Johnson are step with what is going on at Redskins Park.

But Haynesworth is going to continue to set himself apart.

And the Redskins need to excise him but do it in a way where we get value back for him :)

Wait a minute here what has BIG AL done to generate such hate ... skip a voluntary work out because he had made previous plans before the current coaching staff was even put in place .

Shanahan knows exactly where Albert is he has not just disappeared as players did under Gibbs (Sean Springs, Sean Taylor, Santana Moss leap to mind)

Haynesworth has never thrown his team mates under the bus . In fact in the couple of incidents on the field he was one of the only players to stick up for his own ... ( I am thinking of the DHall mugging in Atlanta) ...the only thing he has done is be critical of strength and conditioning program the Redskins put him through last season ...those of you sick of him sucking air after every play have to admit that conditioning was an issue and he has made an effort to rectify the problem ....

We have had much worse douche bag players on the team and no-one bats an eye about those players because it was a different time ... Players like the Riggins and Dexter Manley spring to mind ..

What we have now is a situation where the press want to make football a year round story so players are under the microscope all the time more than they have ever been . In Washington you have piss poor beat journalists who have gotten to the point where they have alienated themselves from Redskins park so spend all their time on the outside shaking their magic 8 ball throwing stuff at the window hoping that something will stick ... then you have internet bloggers who also don't know whats going on stirring the pot .... if you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at those people . They want to stir up controversy because it is the old addage that bad news sells ...good news is boring . Who would read an article about there not being a problem between star player X and the head coach ... a blog or an article a bout the state of the pitch ...it is much more sexy to trash a player and to hell with the consequences than actually wait to see what happens ...

Remember .... Hayensworth hasn't killed anyone, raped anyone, tortured animals, assaulted his wife, done drugs or even been arrested on a DUI since moving to Washington...(although there was the reckless driving incident DOH) but the level of venom on here is way over the top .

I am not saying we wont trade him but if we do it will be a mistake . It doesn't make sense in term of putting the best team on the field (where I think he will play almost exclusively a DE on a 3-4 front and will kick inside as we play 4-3) ... or financially .

[TheShredder]

JLC hates the Redskins and spends all his time stirring the pot to be a thorn in their side. He has no credibility and is a joke. Don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

[HigSkin]

Just heard Mel Kiper on Mike & Mike say the Rams really like Clausen but don't want to take him at #1. He went on to say he wouldn't be surprised to see Skins getting Bradford as part of a Rams trade down. He wasn't speculating exactly how that would happen but interesting, never the less.

I'm speculating here but this could be why the rumor came out about Skins taking a QB at #4. Perhaps we draft Clausen and do one of those San Diego/Giants trade like happened with Rivers/Manning.

[CallMeGreen]

Just heard Mel Kiper on Mike & Mike say the Rams really like Clausen but don't want to take him at #1. He went on to say he wouldn't be surprised to see Skins getting Bradford as part of a Rams trade down. He wasn't speculating exactly how that would happen but interesting, never the less.

I'm speculating here but this could be why the rumor came out about Skins taking a QB at #4. Perhaps we draft Clausen and do one of those San Diego/Giants trade like happened with Rivers/Manning.
So Clausen and Albert for Bradford and what else? Straight up without an additional pick isn't enough in my opinion.

At least if AH doesn't go to Tenn, we might not have to face him next season. All speculation though.

[HigSkin]

So Clausen and Albert for Bradford and what else? Straight up without an additional pick isn't enough in my opinion.

At least if AH doesn't go to Tenn, we might not have to face him next season. All speculation though.

Who knows but Mike & Mike are getting ready to discuss the Kiper "bombshell" per Greeny on ESPN2. You can hear what was said.

[KingGibbs]

I'll be glad when they trade this lousy excuse of a team player. Type all you want Bedlam, but hearing Far Al's teammates say that he will become a distraction is enough for myself and others realize he isn't worth the trouble.

BTW bedlam, if you want to bring up character issues? Let's not forget how your saint was a coward and spiked another players head while he was on the ground causing a gaping wound.

Fat ass spoke of wanting to be like Reggie White at his introductory press conference. He couldn't spit shine Reggie's shoes because one, he doesn't have anywhere near the heart Reggie had and two, his work ethic has Reggie looking down shaking his head.

[Hitman#21]

I have problem taking a QB in the 1st, as long as they get a LT in a trade.

[tshile]

Wait a minute here what has BIG AL done to generate such hate ... skip a voluntary work out because he had made previous plans before the current coaching staff was even put in place .

shocker, the media has played this out during the offseason to be their big story.

CP is working hard, everyone else is here. JC has already been replaced by McNabb. Outside of McNabb there's been no big signings or overspending.

AH is the only one left, and the majority of the people are foaming at the mouth for more.

I'm surprised they haven't been following him 24/7 to post updates. People would probably pay attention.

I'm with you. Lets care, and discuss the situation, when he shows up and we can see if he's out of shape or not.

If he comes in and is a beast due to his own personal training, and wrecks havok, and is healthy, then everyone else is going to look awful stupid.

He complained that he was injured so much last year because the Redskins off season conditioning people sucked.

If thats true, and we have no way of proving it was or wasn't, then I'm happy he's getting himself taken care of.

Springs did the same thing AH is doing, and went from an injury riddled season, to having a great performance the next year.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Wait a minute here what has BIG AL done to generate such hate ... skip a voluntary work out because he had made previous plans before the current coaching staff was even put in place .

Shanahan knows exactly where Albert is he has not just disappeared as players did under Gibbs (Sean Springs, Sean Taylor, Santana Moss leap to mind)

Haynesworth has never thrown his team mates under the bus . In fact in the couple of incidents on the field he was one of the only players to stick up for his own ... ( I am thinking of the DHall mugging in Atlanta) ...the only thing he has done is be critical of strength and conditioning program the Redskins put him through last season ...those of you sick of him sucking air after every play have to admit that conditioning was an issue and he has made an effort to rectify the problem ....

We have had much worse douche bag players on the team and no-one bats an eye about those players because it was a different time ... Players like the Riggins and Dexter Manley spring to mind ..

What we have now is a situation where the press want to make football a year round story so players are under the microscope all the time more than they have ever been . In Washington you have piss poor beat journalists who have gotten to the point where they have alienated themselves from Redskins park so spend all their time on the outside shaking their magic 8 ball throwing stuff at the window hoping that something will stick ... then you have internet bloggers who also don't know whats going on stirring the pot .... if you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at those people . They want to stir up controversy because it is the old addage that bad news sells ...good news is boring . Who would read an article about there not being a problem between star player X and the head coach ... a blog or an article a bout the state of the pitch ...it is much more sexy to trash a player and to hell with the consequences than actually wait to see what happens ...

Remember .... Hayensworth hasn't killed anyone, raped anyone, tortured animals, assaulted his wife, done drugs or even been arrested on a DUI since moving to Washington...(although there was the reckless driving incident DOH) but the level of venom on here is way over the top .

I am not saying we wont trade him but if we do it will be a mistake . It doesn't make sense in term of putting the best team on the field (where I think he will play almost exclusively a DE on a 3-4 front and will kick inside as we play 4-3) ... or financially .
He lays around mortally injured only to pop back up a few plays later. Why? Because he's a fat, out of shape mess. This annoys me. I love his attitude and his drive when he actually cares - the problem is does he actually care?
Remember before the Atlanta game how he was SNARLING at players. That look said it all, it was awesome! I haven't seen a player that mad in a long time and I actually enjoyed seeing a Redskin with that attitude before a game.

Do I want him out of town? I don't know. DO I want him to come back in shape and ready to play and live up to a 100 mil contract. HELL YES. Do I care if he is traded for draft picks? Nope. He's been here one year. Whatever

[Veretax]

So Clausen and Albert for Bradford and what else? Straight up without an additional pick isn't enough in my opinion.

At least if AH doesn't go to Tenn, we might not have to face him next season. All speculation though.


my guess would be they include Andre Carter or Jason Campbell and potentially next years 1st or 2nd. I mean if the skins really want Bradford, if they've decided they want him now then it makes sense to trade JC, Carter, andyou are going to have to give up at least one high pick next year. (I figure AH is worth a 1st Rounder, but noone wants to give up a 1st Rounder this year.

[jsharrin55]

I'll be glad when they trade this lousy excuse of a team player. Type all you want Bedlam, but hearing Far Al's teammates say that he will become a distraction is enough for myself and others realize he isn't worth the trouble.

BTW bedlam, if you want to bring up character issues? Let's not forget how your saint was a coward and spiked another players head while he was on the ground causing a gaping wound.

Fat ass spoke of wanting to be like Reggie White at his introductory press conference. He couldn't spit shine Reggie's shoes because one, he doesn't have anywhere near the heart Reggie had and two, his work ethic has Reggie looking down shaking his head.

Where did you see/hear this?

[tshile]

He lays around mortally injured only to pop back up a few plays later. Why? Because he's a fat, out of shape mess. This annoys me. I love his attitude and his drive when he actually cares - the problem is does he actually care?
Remember before the Atlanta game how he was SNARLING at players. That look said it all, it was awesome! I haven't seen a player that mad in a long time and I actually enjoyed seeing a Redskin with that attitude before a game.

Do I want him out of town? I don't know. DO I want him to come back in shape and ready to play and live up to a 100 mil contract. HELL YES. Do I care if he is traded for draft picks? Nope. He's been here one year. Whatever

the thing about everything you say though, is that we knew that going into it.

and we got him anyway.

and whether you agreed with it at the time or not, we now have him.

we can't just let him go for nothing. he's still the best DT in the league. we still paid him 42 million already.

Again... last year was a disaster on MANY fronts, and AH was a very very small part of it. Thats why the whole organization was cleaned out.

Lets wait and see what shape he comes in as, and if he's here when his contract requires him to be here.

Everyone can project their morals and work ethic onto him all day long, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you think about him not being here for voluntary things. They are voluntary. We knew he wasn't the most morally straight, ethical, or even the hardest worker. He's not hte kid that shows up to class 5 minutes early (an analogy i heard on 106.7 last night). So lets not all pretend that he was, and now he's not acting like he used to. He's the same old AH.

Even the coach is giving him the benefit of the doubt. And all these trade rumors just because they're signing extra bodies are ridiculous. You need bodies for camp, and you need depth especially at D line in a 3-4.

[KingGibbs]

Where did you see/hear this?

I read it in one of the articles in the "Breaking News" section.

[HigSkin]

I read it in one of the articles in the "Breaking News" section.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-to-titans-chatter.html#more

.....In text messages to a reporter Monday, several Redskins veterans expressed concern that Haynesworth's situation could become a distraction if he remains on the team.

[TheismannQuote]

I have to agree with tshile here... I don't see us trading AH this year. He has too much upside versus what we would get in return. That, and what the redskins already have vested in him.


The only problem is - he may be the only player on our roster that would garner a reasonable trade (talent and a good contract)

[KingGibbs]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-to-titans-chatter.html#more

.....In text messages to a reporter Monday, several Redskins veterans expressed concern that Haynesworth's situation could become a distraction if he remains on the team.

Thanks HigSkin.

[tshile]

but the distraction of AH is caused by the media, and by the fans showing the media thats what they want to hear about.

lets be honest here... the media in this town is capable of a lot of things. turning the fan base, and in the process the other players, against one player would not be difficult to do.

quit buying into this bull****. we're making it a distraction, not AH.

[rd421]

I love Big Al on the field but off the field he is becoming bad ju ju.... Im glad Shanny is taking a hard line and saying its about team not the player...

[J-bomb]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-to-titans-chatter.html#more

.....In text messages to a reporter Monday, several Redskins veterans expressed concern that Haynesworth's situation could become a distraction if he remains on the team.


That article is speculation from the Tennessean and JReid no where in there does it say the Skins players said it would be a distraction.... Unless I'm misreading it but I didn't find your little text message quote in that article you pasted. It seems you may have bought into the hype and are riding the wave of media specualtion with this haynesworth BS.

I hope we don't trade him and if he is moved I have faith that we will get more than enough in return for his services so we will not be the losers in the deal.

[KingGibbs]

but the distraction of AH is caused by the media, and by the fans showing the media thats what they want to hear about.

lets be honest here... the media in this town is capable of a lot of things. turning the fan base, and in the process the other players, against one player would not be difficult to do.

quit buying into this bull****. we're making it a distraction, not AH.

OMG dude. Are you serious? If you don't think that him not being there with his teammates whom are busting their tails while trying to show the new coaching staff that they want to be a part of this new culture isn't a distraction amongst those said players and coaches w/out the persuasion of media and fans?

Then you haven't experienced everyday workplace animosity that exists in the real world. You know, the one person that eveyone talks about because they aren't pulling their weight?

[KingGibbs]

That article is speculation from the Tennessean and JReid no where in there does it say the Skins players said it would be a distraction.... Unless I'm misreading it but I didn't find your little text message quote in that article you pasted. It seems you may have bought into the hype and are riding the wave of media specualtion with this haynesworth BS.

I hope we don't trade him and if he is moved I have faith that we will get more than enough in return for his services so we will not be the losers in the deal.



If it was one, two or three media outlets that were reporting this "speculation" I'd have my doubts, but this smoke is about to turn into a raging fire IMO.