An Ideal Draft Scenario

[Fanarchist]

This scenario is relevant in the event Bradford drops to us at #4 or Bradford is taken first overall and Clausen is on the board at #4. Either way a plausible outcome.

Picking #6 in the first round is the Seahawks. Regardless of the acquisition of Whitehurst, there has been ramped speculation regarding Pete Carroll’s intent to draft another QB and expressing a serious interest in Jimmy Clausen. Assuming these rumors denote particles of truth and the other teams in the market for a first round QB fear having their hopes dashed by the Redskins ambiguity or Seattle’s open-door QB draft possibility, this may be the potential hailstorm.

#7 Browns
#8 Raiders
#9 Bills
#10 Jags

Two, if not all of these teams are looking to trade up for the chance to trump the other teams ability to retain one of the two highly touted 1st round QBs. We are seated in the perfect position to field these offers. If there is a bidding war over the forth spot my hope is that we come away with a 1st between picks 7-10, an early 2nd, and a 5th.

With one of the other teams who are still in the market for a QB, we offer up JC for a 3rd or 4th rounder. This gives us a total of 7 draft picks. These two moves would make this draft much more appealing for the whole of Redskins Nation.

Personally, my hope is that with the first round pick that we've traded down to, Trent Williams will still be available. With the second address either FS with Taylor Mays, youth at RB with Javid Best, or another O-lineman like Charles Brown. In the 3rd or 4th, whatever our hypothetical pick/picks may be, QB Skelton or ILB Navarro Bowman (and yes I know he's an OLB, in the 3-4 hybrid you could use him at either position) if he's still there.

Or we could just end up drafting Okung or Williams at 4 and there's our draft.

Thoughts?

[tshile]

way to type in black text.

[terrifNick21]

Do nothing at all?!!?!?!

[HOF44]

Ninja Draft!!

[martytheman]

Go T with the 1st rd pick, LB or NT w the 2nd, then let the rest fall where they may.

[The Diesel]

Bradford is the #1 pick, regardless of who is picking there.

[Fanarchist]

Like I said the scenario still applies if either or both QB/QBs are still on the board at 4.

[bsilman]

I believe the Redskins are going to trade the #4 pick, Haynesworth and Campbell to St. Louis for their #1. The Redskins will then select Bradford.

[Mr. Sinister]

This Is My Perfect Draft Scenario

http://popsop.ru/wp-content/uploads/miller_genuine_draft_64_pack.jpg

The ONLY way to go :pfft:

[littleskins]

If Bradford doesn't go #1, that could be a possibility. Good job........Not to be negitive , but it's very unlikly he's not picked first.

[Hitman#21]

STL dispatch reporting nothing going on between Skins and Rams.

Update: Rick Maese now says, too early to count skins out..

My heads gna blow.

[The Diesel]

I believe the Redskins are going to trade the #4 pick, Haynesworth and Campbell to St. Louis for their #1. The Redskins will then select Bradford.

That would be so effing stupid. We're talking about 3 spots in a draft to pick a QB we don't need and might not need for 3-5 years. Also, one who has been put on IR the last two times he was tackled on his throwing shoulder. Why? Nobody in their right mind considers this guy the next Peyton Manning. That's the only reason you make a crazy trade to get him.

[Mr. Sinister]

Ninja Draft!!

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Championship!

[bsilman]

That would be so effing stupid. We're talking about 3 spots in a draft to pick a QB we don't need and might not need for 3-5 years. Also, one who has been put on IR the last two times he was tackled on his throwing shoulder. Why? Nobody in their right mind considers this guy the next Peyton Manning. That's the only reason you make a crazy trade to get him.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is what we do. Just my opinion.

[Fanarchist]

I believe the Redskins are going to trade the #4 pick, Haynesworth and Campbell to St. Louis for their #1. The Redskins will then select Bradford.

Is this what you would like to see happen, or is it your opinion on what you think is going to happen? Because in all honesty I can't justify giving up what's left of an already desolate draft along with two players who represent mid round picks, for a developmental, injury prone rookie QB who isn't worth his weight in gold.

[bsilman]

Is this what you would like to see happen, or is it your opinion on what you think is going to happen? Because in all honesty I can't justify giving up what's left of an already desolate draft along with two players who represent mid round picks, for a developmental, injury prone rookie QB who isn't worth his weight in gold.
This is what I think is going to happen. We haven't extend McNabb's contract, the Redskins visited with Bradford after we picked up McNabb, the Redskins want to get rid of the headache named Haynesworth and Campbell is an upgrade to anything that St. Louis currently has. The trade would allow St. Louis to pick up DT, a quarterback that is better than anything they currently have at that position and only move down 3 spots. The Redskins would get, who I believe, the guy that they covet.

[Fanarchist]

This is what I think is going to happen. We haven't extend McNabb's contract, the Redskins visited with Bradford after we picked up McNabb, the Redskins want to get rid of the headache named Haynesworth and Campbell is an upgrade to anything that St. Louis currently has. The trade would allow St. Louis to pick up DT, a quarterback that is better than anything they currently have at that position and only move down 3 spots. The Redskins would get, who I believe, the guy that they covet.

The private workout with Bradford was scheduled long before the Skins ever picked up McNabb. It would be a downgrade for us to let go of Haynesworth especially if we are going to play a hybrid defense which seems to be the case. There are other teams beneath us who are also looking for a QB. Why would we move up if in doing so we trample our hopes for a deeper draft? I would lose a lot of faith in our FO if this deal actually came to fruition. Although I can't deny that your standpoint holds some meritorious value, I believe it would ultimately be more detrimental for our team than it would be progressive and forward thinking.

[Dirk Diggler]

I could see someone like San Fran, Seattle, or Cleveland moving up over KC to take Berry. My wet dream scenario would be moving back to 6 or 7, picking up a 3rd rounder and drafting Bulaga.

[bsilman]

The private workout with Bradford was scheduled long before the Skins ever picked up McNabb. It would be a downgrade for us to let go of Haynesworth especially if we are going to play a hybrid defense which seems to be the case. There are other teams beneath us who are also looking for a QB. Why would we move up if in doing so we trample our hopes for a deeper draft? I would lose a lot of faith in our FO if this deal actually came to fruition. Although I can't deny that your standpoint holds some meritorious value, I believe it would ultimately be more detrimental for our team than it would be progressive and forward thinking.
I agree that it would be a downgrade to let Haynesworth go, but Shanahan has shown in the past that if you don't march to his beat then you are no longer welcome. I wouldn't have a problem with trading down, I just think that the FO really likes Bradford. I do think that Bradford is going to be a really good quarterback for a really long time unless he is put in a situation like the one that Ramsey was put in back in the Spurrier days (not comparing Ramsey to Bradford, just the situation that Bradford will experience with the Rams). If the Redskins pick him up (or another team with a good quarterback) and he gets to sit behind the starter for a couple of years, I believe he will become a pro bowl QB. Is it worth trading a guy that doesn't want to be here, a guy that isn't going to be here and our #4 pick to move up to the #1 pick? I think so, but I would be just as happy if we can move back and pick up a couple of OL. I just think the Redskins are looking at Bradford as the center piece to the Shanahan regime.

[Fanarchist]

I agree that it would be a downgrade to let Haynesworth go, but Shanahan has shown in the past that if you don't march to his beat then you are no longer welcome. I wouldn't have a problem with trading down, I just think that the FO really likes Bradford. I do think that Bradford is going to be a really good quarterback for a really long time unless he is put in a situation like the one that Ramsey was put in back in the Spurrier days (not comparing Ramsey to Bradford, just the situation that Bradford will experience with the Rams). If the Redskins pick him up (or another team with a good quarterback) and he gets to sit behind the starter for a couple of years, I believe he will become a pro bowl QB. Is it worth trading a guy that doesn't want to be here, a guy that isn't going to be here and our #4 pick to move up to the #1 pick? I think so, but I would be just as happy if we can move back and pick up a couple of OL. I just think the Redskins are looking at Bradford as the center piece to the Shanahan regime.

I hope you're wrong because our opinions on Bradford couldn't be more polarized. Skelton reminds me much more of a Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco style QB, he's as accurate a QB as Bradford although not as mobile. This kat is going to be the steal of the draft.

I'm fairly certain that Shanahan had his share of personality clashes with Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler. They didn't go anywhere under his regime. Why? Because he believed they where elite and productive players at their respective positions. I think he feels the same way about Haynesworth. The rift between Haynesworth and Shanahan is blow way out of proportion by the media.

[kuraitengai]

With the second address either FS with Taylor Mays, youth at RB with Javid Best, or another O-lineman like Charles Brown.

you know that taking mays as a FS is completely idiotic, right? There was talk earlier that teams would move him to LB cuz he lacks ball skills. and you want to put him at FS? we did that already....remember laron? but he at least had more than 2 ints in college. im pretty sure thats all mays had. so lets put two SS back there and let teams just burn us for the deep ball all day long to go with all the missed tackles.

[TheDarb]

#7 Browns
#8 Raiders
#9 Bills
#10 Jags

Two, if not all of these teams are looking to trade up for the chance to trump the other teams ability to retain one of the two highly touted 1st round QBs. We are seated in the perfect position to field these offers. If there is a bidding war over the forth spot my hope is that we come away with a 1st between picks 7-10, an early 2nd, and a 5th.


The Browns are the only one of those teams possibly looking to trade up. The Jaguars are desperately trying to trade down. I don't think there will be an auction at #4.

[addicted]

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what we do. Just my opinion.

Me either, I think the entire nation is asleep at the wheel right now.

Question....all of you draftniks, please tell me why in the hell haven't we gotten McNugget signed past this year?

Please tell me. I want to know. Were the only team to trade for a player this year who didn't get an extension. What is the McNabb plan?

[Fanarchist]

you know that taking mays as a FS is completely idiotic, right? There was talk earlier that teams would move him to LB cuz he lacks ball skills. and you want to put him at FS? we did that already....remember laron? but he at least had more than 2 ints in college. im pretty sure thats all mays had. so lets put two SS back there and let teams just burn us for the deep ball all day long to go with all the missed tackles.

Haslett said the FS position in his defense is not the prototypical way the position is played in most defenses. FS may play in the box, has the ability to rush the passer and in most zone situations only details half the field. Mays has speed, size and is a solid tackler. If he's not left on an island his versatility and strength are a plus.

It's probably Landry's position next season, so either way you look at it you still have two SS playing in the secondary.

[bsilman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/13/mort-shanahan-planned-to-cut-brandon-marshall

Fanarchist, based on the link, if Shanahan was around he was going to cut Marshall.

[Fanarchist]

The Browns are the only one of those teams possibly looking to trade up. The Jaguars are desperately trying to trade down. I don't think there will be an auction at #4.

Bills won't leave this draft without a QB. They could wait until the second and hope Tebow is available where ever they pick. Trade up out of the 2nd for Tebow. Or they could trade up in the first to a position where they are assured to pick up Clausen. Nobody knows what the Raiders are capable of, so don't speak in absolutes.

[Fanarchist]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/13/mort-shanahan-planned-to-cut-brandon-marshall

Fanarchist, based on the link, if Shanahan was around he was going to cut Marshall.

If it didn't actually happen it doesn't count as evidence. Shanahan can say anything he wants. Clearly he has so far this offseason when he said we haven't been actively pursuing any trades outside of JC. Am I expected to believe that too.

[bsilman]

If it didn't actually happen it doesn't count as evidence. Shanahan can say anything he wants. Clearly he has so far this offseason when he said we haven't been actively pursuing any trades outside of JC. Am I expected to believe that too.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/30/broncos-cutler-shanahan-firing

Fair enough, the cutting of Brandon Marshall did not happen. However, based on this link, Shanahan and Cutler seemed to get along pretty well. So as you were fairly certain that Shanahan had his share of personality clashes with Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler. Based on the previous link I feel that Shanahan would have cut/traded Marshall and based on this link, Shanahan and Cutler got along. As far as Shanahan saying that the Redskins aren't actively pusuing trades outside of Campbell, I would hope we wouldn't be showing our hand on what we are trying to do.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

#4 + Haynesworth to move up 3 spots is ridiculous.

My main goal in the draft is to keep Haynesworth. See what we can get for Jason Campbell, Andre Carter, and any fringe players we feel we can get rid of. I think JC and Carter are our two best bets to get decent (3rd/4th round) draft picks, but you have to weigh the value of those mid-to-late round picks VS. having very good depth on your roster. JC is worthy of starting in some places, and would be a great backup QB with plenty of experience. Carter is the same but is better at his position than JC is at QB. I do not think it is wise to get rid of players that will DEFINITELY make the roster just to bring in some other guys that would then compete for a roster spot. Carter is aged, so he'd be my first choice.

As for the draft, if we don't pick up any draft picks via trade (which I have a very funny feeling we WILL), I'd be okay with Bradford, Suh, Okung, Berry, Williams in any order, doesn't really matter. Someone should punch me in the face, because I've even thought about the fact that I MIGHT be okay with us drafting Clausen.

I think our best bet is, as TC said, to trade back #4 to a pick around #8-#20 while also trying to pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder. If we could still grab Trent Williams or Baulaga with our first, great. I'd really hate to see us come out of this draft with no offensive linemen though. At the worst, we need a late round OL.


We got about 8 hours until we find a future Redskins player with the talent to be a starter on our team. Can't wait.

[Fanarchist]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/30/broncos-cutler-shanahan-firing

Fair enough, the cutting of Brandon Marshall did not happen. However, based on this link, Shanahan and Cutler seemed to get along pretty well. So as you were fairly certain that Shanahan had his share of personality clashes with Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler. Based on the previous link I feel that Shanahan would have cut/traded Marshall and based on this link, Shanahan and Cutler got along. As far as Shanahan saying that the Redskins aren't actively pusuing trades outside of Campbell, I would hope we wouldn't be showing our hand on what we are trying to do.

I was using the example more as a barometer for honesty. Although I agree with you that some of his answers should be deemed a smokescreen, it makes it difficult to use his words as a gauge for truth.

[skinsfan4life7]

Trade down to #6 Seattle, acquiring their 2nd and 4th round picks. Then trade down from 6 to 13 and pick up a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Then we still take a good offensive tackle(maybe bulaga) and we then have two 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th that we didn't have before.

[Fanarchist]

Trade down to #6 Seattle, acquiring their 2nd and 4th round picks. Then trade down from 6 to 13 and pick up a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Then we still take a good offensive tackle(maybe bulaga) and we then have two 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th that we didn't have before.

I really like this one too.

[Forever21]

I think the more likely scenario is Suh or McCoy falling to us at 4 then perhaps we can deal back and land great quality in the form of a an early 1st and 2nd rounder.

[bsilman]

I was using the example more as a barometer for honesty. Although I agree with you that some of his answers should be deemed a smokescreen, it makes it difficult to use his words as a gauge for truth.
I think we both bring up valid points and I just hope, like you, that the Redskins make the right decisions regardless. I just want to see this franchise back where it belongs. Back when it wasn't a question of will the Redskins make the playoffs, instead it was will the Redskins win the Superbowl again this year.

[skinsfan4life7]

I think the only way we can really trade back is if someone drops to us that most people don't expect will be there..AKA Bradford. There has to be a player somebody really really wants if there gonna use all those draft picks to move up..and for teams like Seattle and Cleveland who don't have a QB..it could mean them. Us Having McNabb doesn't make us as QB hungry as other teams.

[[[ghost]]]

In the ideal draft we'd acquire multiple 1sts and 2nds while giving up little and somehow ending up with Suh, Berry, Bradford, Okung, adn Williams.

[Fanarchist]

];7473480']In the ideal draft we'd acquire multiple 1sts and 2nds while giving up little and somehow ending up with Suh, Berry, Bradford, Okung, adn Williams.

Yeah, Haha, I was attempting to operate more in the scope of relatively reality based, but thats cool too.

[Jeff in D.C.]

I believe the Redskins are going to trade the #4 pick, Haynesworth and Campbell to St. Louis for their #1. The Redskins will then select Bradford.

I can't see this scenario taking place, although stranger things have happened.

I'd like to trade down and stockpile picks. As much as I like Okung, the drop-off to the others isn't that huge and we badly need more picks to fill other needs.

The plot continues to thicken. :paranoid:

[skinsfan4life7]

I can't see this scenario taking place, although stranger things have happened.

I'd like to trade down and stockpile picks. As much as I like Okung, the drop-off to the others isn't that huge and we badly need more picks to fill other needs.

The plot continues to thicken. :paranoid:

I like the way you think. That would help us address our other needs too.