ESPN/Mosley: Berry to Skins talk heats up (M.E.T.)

[gibbsiantheory]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22054/berry-to-skins-talk-heats-up

Although in this little caption Vinny Cerrato suggested we select an offensive lineman.

[Main-Maine]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22054/berry-to-skins-talk-heats-up

Although in this little caption Vinny Cerrato suggested we select an offensive lineman.


I am really warming up to this pick. If this is true Welcome Berry if not welcome Okung!

[Rufus T Firefly]

I'm really to the point of being not so much excited, but rather leery of the upcoming draft.

[MattFancy]

I almost don't want to pick an OL now because Vinny said we should take one.

[1972FAN]

Total faith in the FO, whoever they pick I'm satisfied with it.

[Dr Drunkenstein]

I still believe the people who say this all a smoke screen to coax someone to trade up and to give us their 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick for the #4 overall selection.

[brianforster]

I think this Berry talk is a smoke screen to get Philadelphia to trade up to us.

[Unforgiven]

As much as I've thought "O-Line...O-Line...O-Line" the past 6 months, I wouldn't be terribly upset if we snagged Berry and managed to trade off a few players for picks and grab some more linemen later in the draft.

[brianforster]

I also read somewhere today that the 49'ers might be trading both of their 1st round picks in order to take Clausen.

[Rodriggo]

I almost don't want to pick an OL now because Vinny said we should take one.

Agreed. Whatever HE does, do the opposite.

[Rodriggo]

I also read somewhere today that the 49'ers might be trading both of their 1st round picks in order to take Clausen.

That is bat **** crazy.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

That little bit about Cerrato is spot on.

[Dr Drunkenstein]

I also read somewhere today that the 49'ers might be trading both of their 1st round picks in order to take Clausen.

If excitement were people, I would be China if this happened and we got both of their 1st round picks.

[Main-Maine]

I also read somewhere today that the 49'ers might be trading both of their 1st round picks in order to take Clausen.


That would be stupid of them IMO.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I almost don't want to pick an OL now because Vinny said we should take one.

hmmm...you might be onto something...

[authentic]

no comment until we select...bye ya'll

[1972FAN]

hmmm...you might be onto something...

lol, he did pick Orakpo :/

[brianm23]

http://www.swccgpc.com/cards/cc/ls/smokescreen.gif

[redskin301]

The skins are trying to get Philly to trade down with us

[benskins26]

I think this Berry talk is a smoke screen to get Philadelphia to trade up to us.

Absolutely, and I love it, especially this line:

"I think Shanahan and Allen have thoroughly confused everyone, which was probably their intention. "


Gives me a boner just looking at it. I love our competent FO. I have so much faith in the future, no matter what we do today. This is just one step towards our fourth Lombardi

[DCdangerous]

I wonder how negotiations in trade down works. If team A has an offer for us, do we ask team B if they can top that?

[Rufus T Firefly]

I think this Berry talk is a smoke screen to get Philadelphia to trade up to us.

You know, I don't think smokescreens work at all the way people here seem to think. People seem to think you put out the message that you really want a player, so teams wil trade with you to give up the rights to that player. That makes no sense. If someone thinks we really want Berry, then they will assume we won't give him up and would have to trade ahead of us to get him. I can't imagine any GM worth a damn thinks something like "Oh, (Team A) really wants (Player X), so we better give them an extra 5th round pick to get them to pass on him."

[brianm23]

This quote on that piece was hilarious.



And I love the irony of Vinny Cerrato suggesting the Redskins should select an offensive lineman with the No. 4 pick. I can hear Skins fans yelling a collective, "Then why didn't you do it, Vinny?"

:ols:

[illone]

I almost don't want to pick an OL now because Vinny said we should take one.

HAHA he was right on Orakpo.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day:ols:

[kleese]

Would you trade Ed Reed in his prime for Robert Gallery in his prime?

People forget that while "need" is always a factor, if a FO decides that Player A is going to be a stud and Player B is going to be average at best, should they still take Player B because he fills a more pressing need?

What if the FO grades Berry as an A+ and the available OL at a B- or something like that?

Take the best player.

[gibbsiantheory]

As much as I've thought "O-Line...O-Line...O-Line" the past 6 months, I wouldn't be terribly upset if we snagged Berry and managed to trade off a few players for picks and grab some more linemen later in the draft.

You know I agree with you. Picking up McNabb sort indicates to me that Shanahan has win now attitude. Picking up a player like Berry makes more sense that picking up a QB or offensive lineman if the attitude is win now. You could plug Berry in right away.

[brianforster]

Clausen's situation reminds me a lot of Sanchez that is why I am wondering if somebody is going to come out of nowhere and trade up to get him.

I remember people predicting a Brady Quinn/Aaron Rodgers situation for Sanchez and then viola, 4th overall.

[JC#17]

So this is who we are not drafting

Okung
Williams
Berry
Bradford

Trading back, it's going to happen

[Rypien 91]

I really want OL, esp. Okung, but the more I hear about Berry, the more I am starting to warm up to him. I am also open for trading down and getting more picks and maybe picking OL there. Either way, work on the OL sometime in the next 3 days.

[brianforster]

Look what the cat dragged in
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/montana-talks-clausen/

[bikie]

while I think berry is an incredible talent, I think if there is any truth to these rumors, they are us attempting to get some teams to trade up... I just can't see us going safety again unless we unload LL for a respectable pick...

[redskindan07]

I think this Berry talk is a smoke screen to get Philadelphia to trade up to us.
I agree and hope like heck that it happens so we can add an additional piece to the puzzle

[mdpell]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22054/berry-to-skins-talk-heats-up

Although in this little caption Vinny Cerrato suggested we select an offensive lineman.

We should receive Okung as compensation for the mismanagement of this team over the last few years. Then we can take Berry at 4.

[hailtotheskins69]

I still believe the people who say this all a smoke screen to coax someone to trade up and to give us their 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick for the #4 overall selection.I also think this is a distinct possibility. I almost hope it is, we need more picks, 4 just isn't gonna cut it.

[tshile]

I'm really to the point of being not so much excited, but rather leery of the upcoming draft.
this

[SKINSFAN87]

If vinny suggests an offensive lineman with our pick, it's safe to say that we would have just as good of luck picking a kicker and having him produce to the level of the 4th overall pick. Ha!

[brianforster]

I just feel like the timing is all too clear, I didn't hear jack **** about Berry to the skins until Philly said they wanted to trade up.

[The Full Monty]

Vinny's gone - he was always a decent scout and knows how to identify talent - he just is in over his head as a GM. Like Casserly was, I mean, Houston fired his butt. Doesn't mean the guys aren't good scouts.

[clskinsfan]

Would you trade Ed Reed in his prime for Robert Gallery in his prime?

People forget that while "need" is always a factor, if a FO decides that Player A is going to be a stud and Player B is going to be average at best, should they still take Player B because he fills a more pressing need?

What if the FO grades Berry as an A+ and the available OL at a B- or something like that?

Take the best player.

Been saying the same thing for weeks. And oh. By the way. Free safety is a huge need for us as well. Take the best player. Period. Great Post.

[tex]

Absolutely, and I love it, especially this line:

"I think Shanahan and Allen have thoroughly confused everyone, which was probably their intention. "


Gives me a boner just looking at it. I love our competent FO. I have so much faith in the future, no matter what we do today. This is just one step towards our fourth Lombardi

Vinny who?

[Yeen80]

I honestly dont know what to expect anymore

[Blue Collar Skins]

And I love the irony of Vinny Cerrato suggesting the Redskins should select an offensive lineman with the No. 4 pick. I can hear Skins fans yelling a collective, "Then why didn't you do it, Vinny?" Great quote! :D

[gortiz]

Absolutely, and I love it, especially this line:

"I think Shanahan and Allen have thoroughly confused everyone, which was probably their intention. "


Gives me a boner just looking at it. I love our competent FO. I have so much faith in the future, no matter what we do today. This is just one step towards our fourth Lombardi

:ols: too funny man ...

i loved hearing mike and mike with mcshay say today that the biggest wild card in the draft are the skins because NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR INTENTIONS.

I to pitched a tent.

[iMeast]

If the Redskins could pick up a second or a late first for a package of players (Haynesworth, McIntosh, etc.) I wouldn't mind if they went with Eric Berry at four and then OL with the other pick.

HTTR

[Soup]

Lets say, Suh, Okung, and bradford are gone when the redskins pick, I have no problem in selecting Berry. I'd rather them trade out and get more picks but if they can't Berry is the 5th best player in the draft.

[Yeen80]

As much as I love Berry.....Id rather have an O-Lineman first

[illone]

Trying to get someone to move ahead of KC.

:thumbsup:

[zoony]

Monte Kiffin is on record as saying that Berry is the best player he's ever coached. And that if he were selecting #1 in the draft, he would take Berry "no question" You know- Monte Kiffin- the father of the tampa/cover 2.

I'd say he knows a thing or two about Safeties.

Berry is the real deal. By the end of his rookie year he will be known as the best safety in the NFL.

I'm just not sure if that's what we need.

[lovetoaster]

I'm just not sure if that's what we need.

It's not, but it is tempting. Unfortunately I don't think we can be in "best player available" mode.

[#1njskinsfan]

Monte Kiffin is on record as saying that Berry is the best player he's ever coached. And that if he were selecting #1 in the draft, he would take Berry "no question" You know- Monte Kiffin- the father of the tampa/cover 2.

I'd say he knows a thing or two about Safeties.

Berry is the real deal. By the end of his rookie year he will be known as the best safety in the NFL.

I'm just not sure if that's what we need.

i know we need OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL

but last i saw, the guy in the middle of the field was TERRIBLE

[Pool Shark]

Just so everyone knows, all this speculation on Berry is based off a post by Jason Reid at Redskins' Insider. He said there is a 60% chance that the Skins picked Berry. He also said there is an 80% chance they take Williams and a 75% chance they take Okung. Jason just had his percentages all screwed up and now everyone is taking the Berry info and running with it without doing their homework.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I just feel like the timing is all too clear, I didn't hear jack **** about Berry to the skins until Philly said they wanted to trade up.

And, again, I just don't see what putting this out there falsely does to help that situation. If Philly wants to move up for Berry, they need to worry about the teams picking 5, 6 and 7. So, they need to be making us an offer to begin with. I just don't see how making it sound like we want Berry makes Philly go "Oh, well now we'll give you a good deal for the pick".

[Bangee7]

you know, i don't think smokescreens work at all the way people here seem to think. People seem to think you put out the message that you really want a player, so teams wil trade with you to give up the rights to that player. That makes no sense. If someone thinks we really want berry, then they will assume we won't give him up and would have to trade ahead of us to get him. I can't imagine any gm worth a damn thinks something like "oh, (team a) really wants (player x), so we better give them an extra 5th round pick to get them to pass on him."

+1

[zoony]

i know we need OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL

but last i saw, the guy in the middle of the field was TERRIBLE


I'm with you. Landry was directly responsible for several losses last year. And I can't think of any game he helped us win.

I'd say at this point, he's one season away from being a straight BUST. And I think you could argue he's there already considering where he was taken in the draft.

.....

[TheismannQuote]

Just so everyone knows, all this speculation on Berry is based off a post by Jason Reid at Redskins' Insider. He said there is a 60% chance that the Skins picked Berry. He also said there is an 80% chance they take Williams and a 75% chance they take Okung. Jason just had his percentages all screwed up and now everyone is taking the Berry info and running with it without doing their homework.


You mean the 6 threads and 120 pages are all for naught??! Surely we don't come to ExtremeSkins for speculation and to :deadhorse:

[isaacis881]

Just so everyone knows, all this speculation on Berry is based off a post by Jason Reid at Redskins' Insider. He said there is a 60% chance that the Skins picked Berry. He also said there is an 80% chance they take Williams and a 75% chance they take Okung. Jason just had his percentages all screwed up and now everyone is taking the Berry info and running with it without doing their homework.

So your saying theres a chance.

[FLRedskins]

Let's just get this thing started

[Hooper]

I like Berry.

But what I really like is how clueless Jason Reid is. I really hope the post isn't paying him much. Reid seems to have the same amount of access I do by surfing the web.

[teamcal00]

I dont' think Landry is a 'bust'.....I just think he is playing out of position. My guess is that after Berry is selected and acclimates to our defense, Landry will be very effective closer to the line of scrimmage. Remember his rookie year when he was blitzing and you saw him in the backfield a bunch.....same thing is going to happen next year!

[brianforster]

The idea behind smoke screens is that if you convince people there is a chance we will take him they will be more inclined to trade with us.

The fact that people have no idea whether the Redskins will go QB, Safety, OL, or trade down, also devalues someone trying to trade up with KC.

If we didn't have any smoke screens going and lets say our lock of a pick was Okung, KC's 5th overall becomes more valuable.

The fact that our pick is in question gives our pick more value, hands down.

edit: That is why people are saying the draft starts with us. St Louis showed their hand when they released Bulger, they almost HAVE to draft a QB now. They did this out of respect for Bulger but it certainly devalued their pick. Tampa and Detroit are almost LOCKS to take Suh/McCoy, so that leaves the Skins as the "****, if I really want this guy I better trade up" pick.

[Digger]

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Although in this little caption Vinny Cerrato suggested we select an offensive lineman.

Well of course he does. It's like pissin' on someone for 10 years and when you're done telling them to towel themselves off.

[SkinsHokieFan]

If the worthless VT offense didn't have its best game in years against the Eric Berry led Tenn D, I'd be all for it :ols:

However, from all accounts, he is the real deal. I wouldn't be dissapointed

[Runs with Scissors]

No one has a clue what we're going to do...very smart.

Berry,Williams,Okung,trading up,trading back???

[TheismannQuote]

I dont' think Landry is a 'bust'.....I just think he is playing out of position. My guess is that after Berry is selected and acclimates to our defense, Landry will be very effective closer to the line of scrimmage. Remember his rookie year when he was blitzing and you saw him in the backfield a bunch.....same thing is going to happen next year!


This could happen. I'm also thinking that he can add another 20lbs and get up to 250-260 - he may make a descent ILB. Or, he puts on 50lbs and becomes a DE. it'd be hard to take bad angles from the defensive end position.

He's got one more year to show something.

[MartinC]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22054/berry-to-skins-talk-heats-up

Although in this little caption Vinny Cerrato suggested we select an offensive lineman.

Defintion of irony.

[Harwich Hog]

Isn't it more likely that if the Redskins are touting interest in Berry that they're actually trying to egg a team to trade ahead of them to snag him? Its in the Redskins interest (providing the interest in Berry is a smoke-screen) that Berry is taken at #3 because it guarentees at least one of Bradford, Suh or Okung definitely falling to #4.

[Mister Mean]

I think this Berry talk is a smoke screen to get Philadelphia to trade up to us.

It better be, another top 10 pick on a DB is just stupid.

[TheismannQuote]

Isn't it more likely that if the Redskins are touting interest in Berry that they're actually trying to egg a team to trade ahead of them to snag him? Its in the Redskins interest (providing the interest in Berry is a smoke-screen) that Berry is taken at #3 because it guarentees at least one of Bradford, Suh or Okung definitely falling to #4.


To be fair... there really hasn't been a sure source on this information. Schefter said that there may be a twist to what people are thinking and others are running with other team's GMs saying that the redskins may take Berry. I think Reid is the one that said 60% on berry...but who knows.

[McD5]

Berry is the real deal. By the end of his rookie year he will be known as the best safety in the NFL.

I'm just not sure if that's what we need.

Better than SS Troy Polamalu in his first season?

No chance. That is overly optimistic.

[illone]

I'm with you. Landry was directly responsible for several losses last year. And I can't think of any game he helped us win.


He tackled the philly receiver short of the goalline at the end of a game in 2008.

:thumbsup:

So that's once:ols:

[Rufus T Firefly]

The idea behind smoke screens is that if you convince people there is a chance we will take him they will be more inclined to trade with us.

Again, no. Just saying it doesn't make it so.

If the Eagles (or whoever) are trying to deal with us for Berry and we say, essentially "We really, really want Berry, so you'll have to give up an extra late round pick to move up with us", the other GM says "Then you didn't really want him." These people aren't morons.

Berry is the logical guy teams would deal with us for. The fact that we convince people that we want him accomplishes nothing, except perhaps convincing everyone that there is no way they could deal with us, or that they should deal with Detroit or Tampa to get him.


The fact that people have no idea whether the Redskins will go QB, Safety, OL, or trade down, also devalues someone trying to trade up with KC.

If we didn't have any smoke screens going and lets say our lock of a pick was Okung, KC's 5th overall becomes more valuable.

No, it doesn't. You deal with KC because you want a player at 5. You wait until after we pick and then you know said player is available and make the deal. Not rocket science.


The fact that our pick is in question gives our pick more value, hands down.

No, it really doesn't. It makes things more interesting, but not more valuable. There being a consensus stud available would make it more valuable.


edit: That is why people are saying the draft starts with us. St Louis showed their hand when they released Bulger, they almost HAVE to draft a QB now. They did this out of respect for Bulger but it certainly devalued their pick.

Nonsense. You either want Bradford and are willing to pay the price to acquire the pick or not. No one is saying "Well, we would have given you 4 picks to move up to that spot, but since you really need a QB, we'll only give you 3". That's mularkey.

People say these things about smokescreens, but if you give them a minute to follow the thread of logic, they often make zero sense.

[Snagletooth]

Like a shart, Berry would be quite the surprise.

[Main-Maine]

Well of course he does. It's like pissin' on someone for 10 years and when you're done telling them to towel themselves off.

LOL I like this analogy! Darn you Vinny freaking jerk if you would have drafted some damn O-line in the 2nd or 3rd round, we would be able to draft Eric Berry hands down!

[Rufus T Firefly]

Isn't it more likely that if the Redskins are touting interest in Berry that they're actually trying to egg a team to trade ahead of them to snag him? Its in the Redskins interest (providing the interest in Berry is a smoke-screen) that Berry is taken at #3 because it guarentees at least one of Bradford, Suh or Okung definitely falling to #4.

That makes a lot more sense as smokescreens go. Of course, it seems so unlikely that that would happen, and unlikely that we really want McCoy, that I really doubt we would bother.

There may be a general misdirection play going on- ie. making teams think we'd be happy with so many different players (Bradford, Williams, Clausen, Berry, Okung)- that we are not desperate to move up or down, and hopefully increasing our bargaining position. Or, we could just be doing it out of reflex. Teams are so use to disguising their intentions, they seem to end up doing it even when there is no real benefit to it.

Or it might not be a smokescreen at all.

[Stadium-Armory]

Posturing, to facilitate a trade down.

[Stadium-Armory]

Monte Kiffin is on record as saying that Berry is the best player he's ever coached. And that if he were selecting #1 in the draft, he would take Berry "no question" You know- Monte Kiffin- the father of the tampa/cover 2.

I'd say he knows a thing or two about Safeties.

Berry is the real deal. By the end of his rookie year he will be known as the best safety in the NFL.

I'm just not sure if that's what we need.

If that's true, it doesn't matter if you need him. You don't pass up the best player in the league at his position for a need, even if it is as glaring as ours is at O-Line.

[Mister Mean]

Posturing, to facilitate a trade down.
I hope so.........

[SoulRebel]

I almost don't want to pick an OL now because Vinny said we should take one.

I got the same feeling as do many other people I'm sure

[bedlamVR]

Hmm not sure about this one ... I wanted Berry a while ago but we need a line ... that said i am wondering if we couldn't get value later on in a OL class that is not top heavy but deep ...

I think we could get by with a deeper modified line from last season . I am an OL first guy but the draft has to be ruled by BPA in the early round then fill the holes on day two ....

[hatethe cowboys]

No! My flight got delayed so I will not be able to see our pick. Can someone send up smoke signals so I will know if we drafted berry? Although I guess there are enough smokescreeens going on already so I would just get confused.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

No! My flight got delayed so I will not be able to see our pick. Can someone send up smoke signals so I will know if we drafted berry? Although I guess there are enough smokescreeens going on already so I would just get confused.


For someone with the username "hatethe cowboys", I'm on it.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

I am not in love with the OT's in this draft, there is a lot of good OT's not great. Berry reminds me of S.Taylor with a little less hitting ability, he is far better at his position than any OT is at theirs.

We may be able to trade a player or 2 and get back into the late 1st or early 2nd and get a OT, it may just be a LT, but to think we could rebuild the entire line this draft with the limited amount of draft picks we have is unrealistic, Berry and then an OT later in the draft works for me. I wasn't high on this idea 2 months ago but after watching enough video's of him and the others I would be very happy if we came away with Berry!

[ChettEye]

Berry = KC Chief :(