PFT: Vikings in "Hot Pursuit" of Haynesworth

[brianforster]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/vikings-in-hot-pursuit-of-haynesworth/



Vikings in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 22, 2010 5:12 PM ET
One of the more intriguing draft rumors floating around today involves a new team that may have an interest in acquiring Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2636): The Minnesota Vikings.

A league source told PFT that the Vikings are in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth.

The rumor we heard lines up with something Judd Zulgad of the Star Tribune wrote today, indicating ESPN's John Clayton had mentioned that the Vikings had contacted the Redskins (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/91842004.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUqEiaDUiD3aPc:_Yyc :aUU) about Haynesworth. Although Redskins coach Mike Shanahan has said there have been no Haynesworth trade talks (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/shanahan-says-there-have-been-no-haynesworth-trade-talks-at-all/), most people believe that Haynesworth would be available.

Haynesworth would seem to be a better fit in the Vikings' 4-3 defense than in the new 3-4 that the Redskins are installing. In Minnesota, Haynesworth would join a defensive line that already has defensive tackles Kevin Williams (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1204) and Pat Williams (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2304), both of whom are still potentially facing four-game suspensions over a 2008 positive test for a prescription diuretic.

[santana_4_prez]

Pick #30, thanks!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

the 30th overall pick will work.

that dline would just be insanity if that actually happend.

[benskins26]

Pick #30, thanks!

Yep, I'd do that deal in a heartbeat

[Harwich Hog]

If AH went to Minnesota that DL would be sickeningly nasty.

[Superbowl Mohawk]

Get er' done! Hail!

[helptheSKINS]

hope this is true. Do it....Do it

[Boss_Hogg]

fine with me, let's trim the fat.

(pun intended)

[Mister Mean]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

[NattyLight]

Whoa. Welcome the most dominant defense in recent memory if this **** has legs...

[Old Dominion Monarch 06]

I'd love that too.... Except when I think about him versus our o-line next season.

[JC#17]

the 30th overall pick will work.

that dline would just be insanity if that actually happend.

Dline would be unfair, seriously

[fdarugar]

Berry at #4
Brown or Saffold at #30

I'm good with that...

[fdarugar]

chaddukes "They want him there and he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to play in the 3-4." Lorenzo Alexander on Fat Albert

Thats pretty telling coming from a teammate...

[1972FAN]

I definetly wouldn't be dissappointed if that were true.

[illone]

We play them this year, too

If they cough up the #30 and maybe a third day pick I'd do it.

[herb mul-key]

we need big al...wtf?

[kiingspadee]

We do play them next year....that is scary

[HLF]

If AH went to Minnesota that DL would be sickeningly nasty.

True story.

Id ask for a 4th or 5th to go along with #30

[Orakpophobia]

Poor Aaron Rodgers. Poor Matt Stafford. Poor Jay Cutler.

[Laxpunk2006]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

I agree that a motivated/in shape Albert Haynesworth is a force to be reckoned with in a 4-3 scheme. However we don't know if he is motivated or going to be in shape (I think he will be), or if he fits the 3-4 scheme (I think he would/does) so those are two other things to consider. The coaches might feel we can get a guy at that #30 spot that fits our DL better, is a pure 3-4 OLB (we don't have one outside of Orakpo), a true NT, OL help, etc.

I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger but it is certainly worth discussing. Especially if we could get them to throw in an additional late round/future pick.

[Travdaskin]

1st and 3rd rounder for Haynesworth. Take it or leave it Vikes...

[Hooper]

The Vikings line would be insane...

... and really mad when Favre ends their season with another horrible pick.

[TMat184]

We need to keep Haynesworth, even if #30 is on the table IMO.

[Braxford]

Interesting...a motivated in shape Haynesworth would be nice for the Skins to have. This trade only works if there are still high quality immediate impact starting Oline for the Skins to grab at 30. Would free up more money though for FA next year.

[Truant]

Yeah, and can we also print the boarding passes for Minn on their way to Dallas for the SuperBowl?

Not only would one of the premiere DLs in the league become one of the best of this (or any?) generation, but it's ensure that Brett comes back.


At #30 we could get... the 7th rated offensive lineman in this draft?


I don't like it. This will be an aggressive defense. AH will be huge for us.

[knowledge316]

if it happens, i'm sure AH would try his best to DOMINATE us when Vikes come to town

[CallMeGreen]

My goodness, this stuff is coming out faster than I can keep up with. It's past the point of overwhelming.

I like the idea the trade is a possibility again. But only for good value.

The best trade we could possibly get from any team is Denver's 2011 first rounder because they're going to stink.

[Hooper]

I can't wait until Jason Reid breaks this story by cutting and pasting from PFT.

[Main-Maine]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.


My point exaclty people keep thinking crap is madden all the damn time. I dont understand why people cant understand why we need Hayneworth, especially in the NFC east where their is alot of QB's. I think if Haynesworth goes our sacks & preassure will be gone too.

[JohnnyUtah]

I dont even think that pick would be of value for AH.

[frankez99]

That would possibly give the Vikings the nastiest D-Line of time; no joke.

And oh yeah; I'd be all for that trade.

[Jimbo]

No thanks! You can't replace him at #30.

[NattyLight]

We play them this year, too

If they cough up the #30 and maybe a third day pick I'd do it.

I agree. This deal is bigger than a first within the nfc.

[sjinhan]

lol where is that Haynesworth for Vikings #30 pick and Redskins will use that pick for Tim Tebow rumor...???

hahaha this is getting out of hand...

[brianm23]

Anybody else feel like they are on one of these with all these reports/rumors?


http://kathika.com/wp-content/uploads/shutterstock_roller_coaster.jpg

[dreamshatterer]

We do play the vikings to this year. But for draft purposes, I hope this happens.

[Bangee7]

1st & a 3rd or even a 1st & a 4th...I'm in.

[Santana_Fan]

Lol and we'll have to play them too. Terrible for our offensive line.

[Chachie]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.



Now think about what you just said. :no:

[brianforster]

To get a 1st round pick out of Haynesworth right now would be awesome. Essentially, Dan would have just purchased a 1st round pick.

[NattyLight]

Anybody else feel like they are on one of these with all these reports/rumors?


http://kathika.com/wp-content/uploads/shutterstock_roller_coaster.jpg

Yeah. But this one makes sense, unlike most of the reports...

[theDCfan]

Sounds good to me.

[FunBunch7]

There is no way Minnesota has enough cheeseburgers to keep Haynesworth happy.

But if this were tru I would squish Haynsworth's big fat dumpling butt into a dumpster and drive him up to Minnessota myself...ofcourse we'd have to stop at every Sonic and McDonalds on the way up there!

[illone]

Anybody else feel like they are on one of these with all these reports/rumors?


http://kathika.com/wp-content/uploads/shutterstock_roller_coaster.jpg


that looks like the Viper at magic mountain.

:D

good ride.

[frankez99]

Lol and we'll have to play them too. Terrible for our offensive line.

Actually, the players the Vikings cut during training camp would be terrible for our line.

You and I would be terrible for our line.

It's sad.

[NattyLight]

No thanks! You can't replace him at #30.

I bet you can get gaither for a 30 son!

[Ingtar]

if it happens, i'm sure AH would try his best to DOMINATE us when Vikes come to town

maybe they could put a lance on the cart he rides off on when his ankle hurts

[hailtotheskins69]

Make it happen, ESPECIALLY for the 30th overall!

[spjunkies]

Give up that pick and fat boy is yours.

[Dirk Diggler]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

Really? Who's that? I've yet to see the player you speak of. And I'm not sure he will ever exist.

[pvkeeper19]

Do it. More picks+++

[instinct21]

30? No thanks. Throw in a 2nd then maybe. I think we forgot how dominate haynesworth is.

[Hardcore Zornography]

Nope, I'm not trading Albert for anything lower than 15th overall, or a couple of solid players and a couple mid rounders.

[Hardcore Zornography]

When I say solid, I mean Greenway and McKinnie solid. Plus like a 4th round pick.

[Soup]

30th is too low for me, put in their 3rd round pick and I'm ok with it. But this is just a rumor. Allen is too smart to get nothing back for haynesworth after giving away so much money to him.

[Dirk Diggler]

Eric Berry and Roger Saffold would be a pretty good day.

[MrSilverMaC]

People saying to keep Haynesworth understand he will more than likely buy his way out of his contract next year, right?

So if we kept him we will be keeping him in a year that we more than likely won't be making much noise, only to lose him next year and have passed up on the chance to get something of value for the future.

If we somehow get the vikes 1st rounder, we would be looking at possibly getting a tackle @ 4 and have an additional late 1st round pick for another o-line position.


Also, trading him to the vikes means he won't be a giant or eagle if he buys his way out of his contract.

[maskedsuperstar]

Yeah, and can we also print the boarding passes for Minn on their way to Dallas for the SuperBowl?

Not only would one of the premiere DLs in the league become one of the best of this (or any?) generation, but it's ensure that Brett comes back.


At #30 we could get... the 7th rated offensive lineman in this draft?


I don't like it. This will be an aggressive defense. AH will be huge for us.

If he doesn't want to be in DC, makes no sense keeping him around. He'll continue to be a pain in the a**.

[aussieskin]

I am on the side of keeping fat albert, he is good at what he does and i want him being good for us.

[Travdaskin]

1st & a 3rd or even a 1st & a 4th...I'm in.

If they had a higher pick a 4th would be great. But basically they are giving us a 2nd rounder so a 3rd has to be it. If not a 3rd they are getting over big time, possibly even with the 3rd they would be still getting over...

[Mister Mean]

Now think about what you just said. :no:

Think about this........

http://www.thinkingpictures.com/

[Mr. Sinister]

maybe they could put a lance on the cart he rides off on when his ankle hurts

:ols: Hahahaha, I can just see it now

AH after three yard tackle for loss: Coach, I'm tired, I need a Twinki, err, bottle of Gatorade

[HailGreen28]

Nope, I'm not trading Albert for anything lower than 15th overall, or a couple of solid players and a couple mid rounders.Agreed. We already paid a lot of bonus money.

A DT like Big Al, for a relatively low contract at this point, is worth more than the practically next-to-bottom 1st round pick.

Throw in a 2nd and a lower pick, or a #1 next year and change, in addition to the #30 this year, and we might should do it. But considering Big Al did well for us last season, I don't think we need to trade unless the deal is too good to pass up.

Would love to see a team throw an irresistible deal at us, though.

[1972FAN]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

Agreed BUT,,, Key word MOTIVATED, not worried about the in shape. He seems to have a attitude, "well I'm not happy playing in a 3-4, not to mention minimum contact with the team. So either way I'm good with it.

[Hitman#21]

1st and 3rd.

[dadirtbags]

I could see if AH had a great attitude about working out and being a part of our new D system...but the fact is people...he isnt!!!!!! 30 would be fantastic

[Hail26]

trading Fat Al would make the Vikings nasty....i say NO

[War Paint]

I was telling my friend, "another die hard skin's fan" a week ago that I'm surprised the Vikings haven't gone after Haynesworth and that he would be a great pick up for them.

[TotalRecall]

The #30 pick for him would be sweeeet.

[Byner21]

Given all the information out there, I believe:

A) Haynesworth will be traded
B) We will pick up Jammal Brown along the way
C) We will pick Eric Berry at #4 (unless Bradford miraculously falls to us or we're somehow able to trade down)

[authentic]

Dline would be unfair, seriously

thats IF he plays....Get 'er done. :)

[TheLongshot]

People saying to keep Haynesworth understand he will more than likely buy his way out of his contract next year, right?

Not likely. He not only would have to give up a lot of money to get out of his contract, but he would also need to find another team to pay him. Given the appearances of things, that would be tougher the second go-around.

My question is, are there players that the Vikings are willing to part with? I could see a pick and a player coming back to us.

[Skins199021]

1st and 3rd draft berry at 4 tackle at 30

[1972FAN]

Given all the information out there, I believe:

A) Haynesworth will be traded
B) We will pick up Jammal Brown along the way
C) We will pick Eric Berry at #4 (unless Bradford miraculously falls to us or we're somehow able to trade down)

Jammal brown for Haynesworth straight up I could live with. Both pro bowlers

[KingGibbs]

Why the **** do some of you want to keep Fat ass when it's clear he doesn't want to be here? You think he laid down on the field last year? Wait until this year if we keep him.

Get the best value for him.

[brianm23]

maybe they could put a lance on the cart he rides off on when his ankle hurts


Big Al is not amused.

http://www.homermcfanboy.com/images/haynesworth092809.jpg

[Jethrodsp]

Sure...just throw in Phil Loadholt and its a deal.

Seriously people, you want to trade Haynesworth, the most disruptive DLman in the NFL for basically a second round pick!?

How many of yalls dogs did he kick?

[Main-Maine]

Now think about what you just said. :no:

No he is right about what he just said...

[Rufus T Firefly]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

No player on our current roster gives us what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would, either.

[frankez99]

Big Al is not amused.

My goodness! If someone is carted off like that, it must be a real serious injury! I'm 99.99% positive that someone carted off is either out for the game, or worse the SEASON.

But not our Al; he comes back a few plays later.

Maybe they use that "magic spray" that the European soccer players use?

What a BEAST! (yeah, that's sarcasm)

[redskin301]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

+1 Big al is the best DT in the NFL

[spjunkies]

Big Al is not amused.



http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/haynesworth-face-atlanta.jpg

[c4man5282]

JuddZulgad JuddZulgad

NFL sources: Haynesworth to Vikings isn't going to happen. 5 minutes ago via TweetDeck Retweeted by Russellmania09 and 4 others

[c4man5282]

grazdanny

A 3rd source says Skins trying 2 trade Haynesworth 4 picks so they could still get OL before Saturday, when their next pick currently is. 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck Retweeted by Russellmania09

[c4man5282]

Rick Maese RickMaese

RT @grazdanny: Source says Redskins' sudden interest in Berry is because he's a guy they think/know Rams might want in a trade (more)... less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck

[Smoot Point Really]

I think 1st round pick this year and a pick next year that is contingent on performance...

[Truant]

Unreal how people are underestimating how good this guy is.

Blache used him incorrectly. Al will play a lot of defensive end and get to penetrate. He is our best defensive player, hands down. And we're so anxious to give him away?

I can't believe how the media had sunk this guy's reputation in so many people's eyes.

[Main-Maine]

Shanny & Allen dont do it! I swear you may regret it!

[KDawg]

Only way I see us parting with Haynesworth is if it involved Jamaal Brown.

[That Redskins Fan]

only for pick thrity which is no more and no less

if not hang up on rick speilamn and childress

[[[ghost]]]

Wouldn't do it for this years 1st. The Vikings would rape us in that deal.

Jared Allen, than yes. But not for a late 1st, not for the best DT in the game hands down.

[tml6157]

Al to the Vikings rumor is bogus. Where would he play? Williams and Williams are their DTs. Sure Pat is old but you are going to trade picks for a player where you already have lots of talent? When they could just take a DT at the end of the round and groom for the year.

[Main-Maine]

Unreal how people are underestimating how good this guy is.

Blache used him incorrectly. Al will play a lot of defensive end and get to penetrate. He is our best defensive player, hands down. And we're so anxious to give him away?

I can't believe how the media had sunk this guy's reputation in so many people's eyes.

I know people are so like he isnt a friendly guy and forget talent rah rah rah! We always need character first! beating the same old drum of Gibbs! Im so sick of it...

[pvkeeper19]

Unreal how people are underestimating how good this guy is.

Blache used him incorrectly. Al will play a lot of defensive end and get to penetrate. He is our best defensive player, hands down. And we're so anxious to give him away?

I can't believe how the media had sunk this guy's reputation in so many people's eyes.
Haynesworth's actions and words have done more to torpedo my opinion of him than anything some jackass with a blog can say.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Here's what Kevin Seifert of ESPN says about it:

"Minnesota has had some discussions about making the trade, but I wonder if they are serving more as a tool for the Redskins to increase their leverage with other teams who might be interested."

I'm not sure why Minnesota would be helping us out like that, but if so, let's thank them.

[Main-Maine]

Haynesworth's actions and words have done more to torpedo my opinion of him than anything some jackass with a blog can say.

The action of not showing up to voluntary workout? The words of "I would play any position the coach askes me too?"

[sjinhan]

Haynesworth's actions and words have done more to torpedo my opinion of him than anything some jackass with a blog can say.

yeah but you cant ignore the guy's ability on the field...

[Rufus T Firefly]

only for pick thrity which is no more and no less

if not hang up on rick speilamn and childress

Personally, I would be willing to do it for more. Hanging up on them for offering extra would seem silly. :)

[Flycoach]

Don't # what to think. Having the extra #1 would be VERY nice though....

[c4man5282]

Russellmania09

W/ reports of Haynesworth 2 #Vikings -keep in mind -Pat & Kevin Williams still have poss. suspensions/Pat could retire. They have full picks less than 10 seconds ago via web

[c4man5282]

JReidPost

Just got a text from a source who spoke with a high-ranking Vikings official: Nothing going on right now with Redskins for Haynesworth. half a minute ago via OpenBeak

[Truant]

Haynesworth's actions and words have done more to torpedo my opinion of him than anything some jackass with a blog can say.

What has he done and what has he said?

[Main-Maine]

yeah but you cant ignore the guy's ability on the field...


I think thats what alot of Redskins been seeming to do lately, I think we are so impatient to let somethings gel.

[RWJ]

Don't # what to think. Having the extra #1 would be VERY nice though....

Took the words right out of my mouth.:)

[That Redskins Fan]

Personally, I would be willing to do it for more. Hanging up on them for offering extra would seem silly. :)

okay add a 3 to the mix but this a deep draft and wtwo first rounders

especially at 30 creates more trade down action if am the redskins mgmt

and add rumors are flying that is where clausen will land to at that

[Burgundy Burner]

JReidPost

Just got a text from a source who spoke with a high-ranking Vikings official: Nothing going on right now with Redskins for Haynesworth. half a minute ago via OpenBeak

"I grasp at straws. JLC is my mentor. I grasp at straws".

[RWJ]

Can you believe, JR

JReidPost‎: Just got a text from a source who spoke with a high-ranking Vikings official: Nothing going on right now with Redskins for Haynesworth.
Twitter - 2 minutes ago

[NattyLight]

Al to the Vikings rumor is bogus. Where would he play? Williams and Williams are their DTs. Sure Pat is old but you are going to trade picks for a player where you already have lots of talent? When they could just take a DT at the end of the round and groom for the year.

Dude, there's a little thing called rotations...your argument is erroneous.

[Main-Maine]

What has he done and what has he said?

I am trying to figure out the same thing man, alot of redskin fan are crucifying the man as if he was acting like T.O in the media trying to get out of philly.

[c4man5282]

chaddukes

"They want him there and he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to play in the 3-4." Lorenzo Alexander on Fat Albert 42 minutes ago via web Retweeted by Russellmania09

[nittydachamp]

Do it!! Please!

[Main-Maine]

chaddukes

"They want him there and he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to play in the 3-4." Lorenzo Alexander on Fat Albert 42 minutes ago via web Retweeted by Russellmania09

speculation, I would love to hear it all come out of his mouth.

[Blackest Eyes]

I would be okay for trading Big Al for the #30 pick.

[c4man5282]

speculation, I would love to hear it all come out of his mouth.

It did. See the quotes. Lorenzo is on The Fan right now...or was.

[tml6157]

Dude, there's a little thing called rotations...your argument is erroneous.

So it would be a smart more to trade for a TE right because they could all rotate right? Dude come on. Its overkill. Not saying that it can't happen, it would just be a very dumb move on their part. Trade your 1st round pick for a player that will rotate in? Dumb.

[moondog]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

Thank you! I second that.

[Dan T.]

Am I the only one on the whole board to say keep Albert's grumpy ass on the roster? As long as he performs on Sunday as the most disruptive DL gap filler in the league, I don't care one whit about all the other drama surrounding him. Whatever you get for him in trade will not be worth it come game time. Keep him. 'Rak and Carter and the rest of the D will be thankful if they do.

[BayouBrave86]

Haynesworth on the Vikings? Geez, that might be the most dominant dline ever.

[Main-Maine]

Am I the only one on the whole board to say keep Albert's grumpy ass on the roster? As long as he performs on Sunday as the most disruptive DL gap filler in the league, I don't care one whit about all the other drama surrounding him. Whatever you get for him in trade will not be worth it come game time. Keep him. 'Rak and Carter and the rest of the D will be thankful if they do.


No your not! I am with you man!

[tml6157]

speculation, I would love to hear it all come out of his mouth.

Exactly! This is the 2nd time Alexander sounded off to the media about Al. No offense he just needs to shut up and worry about himself. His fat ass isn't going to transition to OLB.

[Main-Maine]

It did. See the quotes. Lorenzo is on The Fan right now...or was.

Not trippin about what Lorenzo say, because he aint in the loop of everything. I say unless Hayneworth say it or Mike Shannahan then im not buying it!

[dg28daman]

No your not! I am with you man!

I'm with you guys. Why trade him AFTER we paid him all this money? If nothing else, make the guy play this year for us. He's a beast, plain and simple.

[hailtotheskins69]

Man, this Econ Class is killing me. I wish it was 7:30 already. Can't wait to actually see what happens!

[tml6157]

Man, this Econ Class is killing me. I wish it was 7:30 already. Can't wait to actually see what happens!

Hahaha im with you man I decided to take a nap. I felt like I slept for hours and my gf informed me it was like 20 mins lol

[XEL]

Pro:
#30 pick and hopefully a lower round pick too.

Con:
We have to play against the Williams duo plus Haynesworth. I'd **** myself.

[hailtotheskins69]

Hahaha im with you man I decided to take a nap. I felt like I slept for hours and my gf informed me it was like 20 mins lolAt least I have my laptop and we have wireless. Otherwise I think I might actually go insane...

It's nice to be able to keep up with Skins news, especially this AH thing, even in one of the most mind numbingly boring classes I've ever been in.

[Main-Maine]

I'm with you guys. Why trade him AFTER we paid him all this money? If nothing else, make the guy play this year for us. He's a beast, plain and simple.

Thats what im talking about! I think we finally have more people comming out in support of keeping Hayneworth. I think most of us who would like to keep Hayneworth on the team just kept quite, while the fans with pitch forks kept spilling trade him until it started catching on within the forum community.

[tyman21]

Idea: Get Russel Brokung to protect our Qb for the next 10 years and stack up on 2011 picks. (Rebuilding, yet still putting us in a position to win)

PS. I heard on Peter King or something that there's 95% chance of a lockout in 2011. Does anyone know how that would affect the draft? What would seniors do? would there not be a draft in 2011 or 2012? the strength of the 2011 draft might be dependent upon that situation

[MrJL]

Am I the only one on the whole board to say keep Albert's grumpy ass on the roster? As long as he performs on Sunday as the most disruptive DL gap filler in the league, I don't care one whit about all the other drama surrounding him. Whatever you get for him in trade will not be worth it come game time. Keep him. 'Rak and Carter and the rest of the D will be thankful if they do.


the problem is you don't know if he'll perform. Even he's not intentionally dogging it, he might not be fully focused.

[Yeen80]

Albert is a baby. Plain and simple.

[Main-Maine]

Pro:
#30 pick and hopefully a lower round pick too.

Con:
We have to play against the Williams duo plus Haynesworth. I'd **** myself.


I wonder why having Haynesworth on another team strike fear in us? I dont understand why worry about someone who we want off the team so bad.. unless...

[Main-Maine]

Albert is a baby. Plain and simple.

Yeah because he isnt at voluntary training camp.

[Truant]

Idea: Get Russel Brokung to protect our Qb for the next 10 years and stack up on 2011 picks. (Rebuilding, yet still putting us in a position to win)

PS. I heard on Peter King or something that there's 95% chance of a lockout in 2011. Does anyone know how that would affect the draft? What would seniors do? would there not be a draft in 2011 or 2012? the strength of the 2011 draft might be dependent upon that situation

BROkung!!!

Love it!

[Thirtyfive2seven]

If you are fatty, lazy, I mean Haynesworth would you want to come back to the skins after all this trade talk? Sheesh. Seems to me that he's gonna be pissed either way, no matter what happens (unless he gets paid and leaves)...

[Madison Redskin]

The Vikings would be ridiculously dumb if they traded their first round pick for Haynesworth. He'll be 29 when the season starts, he's out of shape, he's got an attitude problem, and he wants to leave DC. Moreover, there is going to be an abundance of talent at the bottom of the first round.

If I were a GM, I wouldn't give up more than a low 2nd rounder for him.

[RenegadeTK]

the Vikings defensive line is bananas. personally, i still hope AH stays and lives up to his potential in DC

[kvarlo12000]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.


+1. AH is the best player at his position with little cap hit at this point. Maybe we could trade them McNabb to for there 2nd.

[drtdrums]

PFT has said this deal isn't happening.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

[Ryman of the North]

if we take anything less than a top 5 pick and a second rounder for Albert then our front office is a bunch of retarded idiots who shouldnt be allowed to run an nfl team let alone THE Washington Redskins. I would have to (after almost 30 years of being a redskin fan) start looking for another team to cheer for. what would have been unthinkable for me even 4 years ago has almost come to pass.

and Lorenzo is a jealous idiot, hes never even approached Alberts level of play yet sounds off every chnace he gets about albert.

[NattyLight]

So it would be a smart more to trade for a TE right because they could all rotate right? Dude come on. Its overkill. Not saying that it can't happen, it would just be a very dumb move on their part. Trade your 1st round pick for a player that will rotate in? Dumb.

Because te is just as disruptive as a dt. Whatever, man.

[RWJ]

AH to NO for Jamaal Brown.:)

[Busch1724]

Idea: Get Russel Brokung to protect our Qb for the next 10 years and stack up on 2011 picks. (Rebuilding, yet still putting us in a position to win)

PS. I heard on Peter King or something that there's 95% chance of a lockout in 2011. Does anyone know how that would affect the draft? What would seniors do? would there not be a draft in 2011 or 2012? the strength of the 2011 draft might be dependent upon that situation

There would still be a draft, just no games to follow.

[Chachie]

Am I the only one on the whole board to say keep Albert's grumpy ass on the roster?


No you are not. I also would generally prefer to keep him. However, I would not be outraged if we got real good value for him. I just don't want to see us dump him for a ham sammy just to lose the contract and the headache.

[frankez99]

if we take anything less than a top 5 pick and a second rounder for Albert then our front office is a bunch of retarded idiots who shouldnt be allowed to run an nfl team let alone THE Washington Redskins. I would have to (after almost 30 years of being a redskin fan) start looking for another team to cheer for. what would have been unthinkable for me even 4 years ago has almost come to pass.

and Lorenzo is a jealous idiot, hes never even approached Alberts level of play yet sounds off every chnace he gets about albert.

If you would abandon the Redskins over the trade of a single PLAYER.....your fan-dom is in question to begin with.:helmet:

[SamoaSkinz]

I don't think Haynesworth would lack motivation if we play him this year. As much as he 'dislikes' the 3-4, he has stated that his dream/target is to be like Reggie White. He can only do that if he plays hard every year. So I doubt he will sit and pout and 'sabotage' the season if he is unhappy, once the season begins. As long as he has the opportunity to play his disruptive role and make millions, he will play well for us if he stays.

[Chachie]

Think about this........

http://www.thinkingpictures.com/


Did you just spam me?

[DCskinFAN]

Not interested unless its for adrian peterson

[brianforster]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/report-haynesworth-will-not-be-a-viking/

edit: Report: Haynesworth will not be a Viking

Typical PFT, haha.

[Yeen80]

Yeah because he isnt at voluntary training camp.

No because of his stubbornness to the 3-4

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

+1. AH is the best player at his position with little cap hit at this point. Maybe we could trade them McNabb to for there 2nd.

Best player at his position ..... when he can be bothered.

And the key unit in the 34 is the linebackers. Not the D-line. Haynesworth's a very expensive luxury we don't need if it comes down to picks.

We have plenty of big ugly's along with the damage Orakpo's gona' do from the end slot to more than compensate for loosing the fat man.

Hail.

[jflow78]

That would be a win/win...........except that we play them this season and if we met them in the playoffs we'd be on the wrong end of the stick.

Unless they're ready to give up their draft, I don't see this happening. If they ARE ready to give up their draft, then........"it's been nice knowing you AH, they've got a gold plated sideline cot awaiting you in Minnesotta."

[JoeKnowsBest]

I think that's a reasonable pick. Hopefully there is some truth to the rumor of talks.

I'd much rather trade him for Sam Bradford though.

[fnkdctr(007)]

I can't wait until Jason Reid breaks this story by cutting and pasting from PFT.

Smack down. Journalist down repeat journalist down

[laurent]

**** that, I'd ask them for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. No way would I trade him to a teams whose strenghts is already at the DL, suspensions or not.

[Bootleg]

Pat Williams said he'd be retiring soon, too... This would be a great move for the Vikings.

I guess it doesn't matter now that this was proven to be just a stupid rumor.

[mistertim]

Best player at his position ..... when he can be bothered.

And the key unit in the 34 is the linebackers. Not the D-line. Haynesworth's a very expensive luxury we don't need if it comes down to picks.

We have plenty of big ugly's along with the damage Orakpo's gona' do from the end slot to more than compensate for loosing the fat man.

Hail.

Every guy in any front is a key unit. It just depends on how you use them. If you put Haynesworth at DE in a 3-4 he would be a force. Not all 3-4 DEs just occupy blockers. Just like not all DTs in 4-3s just occupy blockers. Imagine him at DE and Rak rushing from the OLB spot on the same side (probably right side). AH is in the B gap and Rak is lined up outside the LT. What do you do? You CAN'T single block AH, but at the same time you can't double him with the LT and LG and leave an RB or even an extra TE out on an island with Rak...he would have a field day.

I really hope we don't get rid of AH without seeing what he can do with an actual aggressive minded coach who seems to have plans to move him around and let him wreak havoc. If we let him go for a 2nd rounder we will likely get a serviceable starter and whoever gets AH, if they use him properly, will have one of the most dominant D linemen in the game. Yeah. Great trade off.

[AllAboutTheU]

We gotta keep Haynesworth. We need to trade JC and probably Rocky too.

[Skinswego]

Trade Fat Albert and his Oxygen tanks

[RandyHolt]

I hope shanny is smart enough to go no huddle and make them burn a time out. Scratch that, he will just roll around on the field and hold his leg when he runs out of gas. Doh.

In shape, i want Al here. Out of shape, move him for a pick.

[Chris Worthy]

I would like to thank all the ES posters that are working out with Number 92 this off season. I'm glad you can update the site to let us know how he is sitting around eating combos and sipping on Capri suns.

He was really really stupid to sign that contract that was given to him. I mean guaranteed money up front and for being on the roster? The nerve of him!! He should tell the new front office that walked into this to check their paypal accounts because he should give it back as a welcoming gift.

Also thanks for allowing me to learn what voluntary and mandatory means. I was so confused about that for quite sometime now. I was going to vent my frustration to the NFL because they came up with this crazy you don't have to come in but you really have to come in wink wink nudge nudge rule.

But after reading post after post Im going to follow suit and I'm going to fuss and throw a fit at Albert because he should know this too.

I'm going to tell him that he should have no problem pushing 600+ pounds of beef every down, break from the double team and tackle the QB or RB every time, all four quarters, for 16 games.

Im going to ignore how much of a disrupted force he is and how allot of teams have to ether gameplan for him or avoid him all together and Im going to tell him that's still not good enough.

He sucks period, 300 pound def.lineman shouldn't be as nimble and quick on their feet.

Just eat hoagies, smoke a stogie, and act like you don't me.

[frankez99]

Trade Fat Albert and his Oxygen tanks

Whoa; hold on there Skinswego!

We need those oxygen tanks for Clinton Portis.

[Skinswego]

Whoa; hold on there Skinswego!

We need those oxygen tanks for Clinton Portis.

Clinton needs them because of all those TD Runs he sees wears him ou t :evilg:

[HailToTheRedskins14]

I'll entertain the thought.

We get #30 and something else, doesn't matter, for Haynesworth alone. I think we would draft Terrence Cody at #30, he's the best NT in the draft bar none, only pushed back because the 4-3 DT's are getting all the hype (Suh, McCoy). Cody was a monster at a national championship team, he was one of the anchors of the defense. If he lives up to his potential, he'd be a fair trade for Haynesworth. This would all be based on the idea that we'd basically force ourselves to switch to a pure 3-4 defense.

[TheShredSkinz]

I'll entertain the thought.

We get #30 and something else, doesn't matter, for Haynesworth alone. I think we would draft Terrence Cody at #30, he's the best NT in the draft bar none, only pushed back because the 4-3 DT's are getting all the hype (Suh, McCoy). Cody was a monster at a national championship team, he was one of the anchors of the defense. If he lives up to his potential, he'd be a fair trade for Haynesworth. This would all be based on the idea that we'd basically force ourselves to switch to a pure 3-4 defense.


There is a guy from UT that's pretty good;)

[nemocystem]

how about Big Al for Pat Williams + a 3rd/4th rounder???

[War Paint]

how about Big Al for Pat Williams + a 3rd/4th rounder???

No, Pat Williams is like 38 years old I think.

[DallasSucks19922010]

We need a little more than the 30th pick to compensate for the defensive line's loss of production this year

[Santana_89]

I'd love that too.... Except when I think about him versus our o-line next season.
Exactly if they do trade him ,please let it not be to any team we play this year,especially w/in our division.

DON'T TRADE HAYNESWORTH!!!!!

[Skin'Em84]

Only if Jared Allen is in the mix.

[allannis]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.
I agree:point2sky

[wilburmarshall]

It would be sweet if we could get the #30 pick from them, but not so cool if we select Tebow w/ it! Could that be the "up the sleeve" stuff?!?!? Hope not!

[SkinsDukes]

I'll entertain the thought.

We get #30 and something else, doesn't matter, for Haynesworth alone. I think we would draft Terrence Cody at #30, he's the best NT in the draft bar none, only pushed back because the 4-3 DT's are getting all the hype (Suh, McCoy). Cody was a monster at a national championship team, he was one of the anchors of the defense. If he lives up to his potential, he'd be a fair trade for Haynesworth. This would all be based on the idea that we'd basically force ourselves to switch to a pure 3-4 defense.

Cody likely is the top NT. Unfortunately, if we think Fat Al took plays off last year, it's nothing compared to Cody. I actually heard one stat today that he played right around 40% of Alabama's defensive snaps last year. I had no idea it was that low.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

When is Haynesworth going on the Biggest Loser? I didn't realize he was so dedicated :paranoid:

[Zarger]

KEEP BIG AL! Just like all the hype up to this draft ... DO we REALLY know what is going thru his head? I really hope he can be motivated and blows UP O-lines this year. Sure his falling and being carted off the field almost every game was embarrassing but when he played he was a force to be reckoned with .

[skinsfan_1215]

Cody likely is the top NT. Unfortunately, if we think Fat Al took plays off last year, it's nothing compared to Cody. I actually heard one stat today that he played right around 40% of Alabama's defensive snaps last year. I had no idea it was that low.

Yeah plus Cody could come in weighing almost as much as Jamarcus Russell, which could be a huge problem.:silly:

[Larry]

Cody likely is the top NT. Unfortunately, if we think Fat Al took plays off last year, it's nothing compared to Cody. I actually heard one stat today that he played right around 40% of Alabama's defensive snaps last year. I had no idea it was that low.

Granted, only think I;'ve read about Cody, lately, was the writeup in Sporting News.

But they said that he showed up at the combine fat and out of shape. They projected him to go in the 5th round.

[Sandman69]

Keep Haynesworth!!!

No player you will get at #30 will give you what a motivated/in shape Haynesworth would.

Cept when is the last time anyone seen one of those?

[haithman]

Trade this man and get that pick!

[MustangSteve]

the 30th overall pick will work.

that dline would just be insanity if that actually happend.and our d-line will suck again! we can't even get near a qb with out the bigman in there :mad:

[NewCliche21]

and our d-line will suck again! we can't even get near a qb with out the bigman in there :mad:

False, again.

Orakpo: Seven sacks without Haynesworth. Four in one game.

[MustangSteve]

KEEP BIG AL! Just like all the hype up to this draft ... DO we REALLY know what is going thru his head? I really hope he can be motivated and blows UP O-lines this year. Sure his falling and being carted off the field almost every game was embarrassing but when he played he was a force to be reckoned with .I'm with ya on that, we need big al more then a draft pick.

[cphil006]

If AH went to Minnesota that DL would be sickeningly nasty.

and sickingly expensive

[MustangSteve]

False, again.

Orakpo: Seven sacks without Haynesworth. Four in one game.
They are going to start double teaming RAK and you know that NC, they can't double team both RAK and Big Al.

[MrJL]

They are going to start double teaming RAK and you know that NC, they can't double team both RAK and Big Al.

It's hard to set up a double team, beyond a TE or RB chipping on a blitzing LB, especially if you;ve got a big body NT and the other side LB might be the one rushing.

[MustangSteve]

It's hard to set up a double team, beyond a TE or RB chipping on a blitzing LB, especially if you;ve got a big body NT and the other side LB might be the one rushing.Do we have that big NT who can get a decent pass rush? Or even take some slack off RAK like Al does. I think our D would be awesome with a big nose tackle, big Al playing defensive end, and RAK a blitzing outside LB. I just hope we don't go back to a defense that gives qb's all day to throw.

[NewCliche21]

They are going to start double teaming RAK and you know that NC, they can't double team both RAK and Big Al.

I swear to high Heaven, boy, if you ever doubt Orakpo again he shall smite you himself!!!!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!111!!!!!!!eleven!!!!!!

Nah, but seriously, since he'll be rushing as a LB, that's just fine if they try to double-team him. It's very hard to do.

I can't tell you how excited I am for Orakpo. He's going to be a god.

[zoony]

So if this happens- who do we take at 30? Claussen? Another Oline?

[authentic]

So if this happens- who do we take at 30? Claussen? Another Oline?

Good question. I wouldn't mind getting Clausen, but we desperately need more Oline.

[War Paint]

So if this happens- who do we take at 30? Claussen? Another Oline?

I think that this may be the surprise....we land Clausen with the Vikes pike.

[Bionickoolaid]

Well that sucks

[mcgraw238]

So if this happens- who do we take at 30? Claussen? Another Oline?

I'd take Dan Williams - NT UTenn.

[Ajamrani]

I'd take Dan Williams - NT UTenn.

Gotta take Clausen if that happens!!!

[Rdskns2000]

So if this happens- who do we take at 30? Claussen? Another Oline?

O-line.

[NewCliche21]

So if this happens- who do we take at 30? Claussen? Another Oline?

Line, please!

[tshile]

False, again.

Orakpo: Seven sacks without Haynesworth. Four in one game.

those 4 came against the raiders....

[Taylorfan2179]

the 30th overall pick will work.

that dline would just be insanity if that actually happend.

and ours would be abysmal. god that dline. Allen, WIlliams, Williams, Haynesworth. would not want to be in the nfc north

[NewCliche21]

those 4 came against the raiders....

I'm sorry, man, but that is such a dumbass argument. YOU aren't one, but that argument is.

Who else got four-sack games against the Raiders? What other rookies got a four-sack game last year? In history? Who else got four-sack games at all?

I'll wait.

[tshile]

I'm sorry, man, but that is such a dumbass argument. YOU aren't one, but that argument is.

Who else got four-sack games against the Raiders? What other rookies got a four-sack game last year? In history? Who else got four-sack games at all?

I'll wait.

considering i'm posting from my phone, you'll be waiting a while.

if you can't see the impact haynesworth had on everyone around him on an otherwise extremely conserative defense then I can't help you.

just continue buying into the bs media hype. You give them something to do.

[NewCliche21]

considering i'm posting from my phone, you'll be waiting a while.

if you can't see the impact haynesworth had on everyone around him on an otherwise extremely conserative defense then I can't help you.

just continue buying into the bs media hype. You give them something to do.

Hahaha, I took a nap and mowed my lawn! :cheers:

I'm not knocking Haynesworth, I'm just saying don't take credit away from Orakpo. The guy is a god.

[MattFancy]

We're not trading Haynesworth. That would be the worst move ever. Who would our DL be? Kemoeatu who may not even be ready by the time the season starts, Daniels, and who else? Just would be a horrible idea. Haynesworth is a beast and we need him.

[Rdskns2000]

Well Minnesota is 3 picks away; so if we are getting rid of Al- it is going to happen soon.

[1972FAN]

Well Minnesota is 3 picks away; so if we are getting rid of Al- it is going to happen soon.

One thing I like about the new FO, there not going to get fleeced by any team. You give us what we want or the trade is not happining.

[Rumple_Stiltskin]

Well Minnesota is 3 picks away; so if we are getting rid of Al- it is going to happen soon.
doubt it will happen...that would be a beastful line for MN and they are in the NFC so ultimetly if we made a run in the playoffs we would have to face them...and id hate to be the o-line that goes up against that d-line!!!

[vicrodjr]

1972fan I agree with you, this team will not be fleeced with this FO. I did not think I would say that anytime soon under Vinny's reign.

[NewCliche21]

doubt it will happen...that would be a beastful line for MN and they are in the NFC so ultimetly if we made a run in the playoffs we would have to face them...and id hate to be the o-line that goes up against that d-line!!!

Trent Williams will literally eat their defensive line.

[NewCliche21]

One thing I like about the new FO, there not going to get fleeced by any team. You give us what we want or the trade is not happining.


1972fan I agree with you, this team will not be fleeced with this FO. I did not think I would say that anytime soon under Vinny's reign.

Agreed on both. How refreshing is that?

[U C S D SkinsFan]

i rather keep AH. who would play DLine for us? he's a premier player

[Chris Worthy]

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=322283

[HigSkin]

Couple of tweets about Haynesworth:

Shanahan on Haynesworth: "We don't have him on the trading block." but added it doesn't mean they wouldn't listen to offers. #Redskins

"We're not going to give up the farm to get a second round draft choice." Mike Shanahan on not trading for a 2nd round pick #NFL #Redskins

[NewCliche21]

Vikings traded with Detroit. Goodnight.

[VaSkinsNut]

So much for that.

[Stophovr6]

Not happening.

[Burgold]

Vikings do trade... but to Lions?

[TheLongshot]

30th pick has been traded to Detroit.

[theDCfan]

Damn, I got in late, I hear, the Vikings have traded the 30th pick and my heart skipped a couple beats, then I heard Lions and realized I should have been paying attention better.

UGH!

[Soup]

Thank goodness, I hope they stay with Haynesworth. The redskins are a better defense with him

[lavarisgone]

What about AH for Minny's two 2nd rounders?

[hitmandm]

Thank goodness, I hope they stay with Haynesworth. The redskins are a better defense with him

So true.

[Rocky52Mc]

What about AH for Minny's two 2nd rounders?

I want their 34th and maybe a 4th or 5th.

I believe Charles Brown is still available.

[dswerdlw]

I'd love to get the 34th and 93rd picks from the Vikes for AH. We might be able to land Kindle and Spikes.

[U C S D SkinsFan]

What about AH for Minny's two 2nd rounders?

If they didn't do it with the 30th pick, I doubt they'll do it w/ the 34th and their other 2nd rounder. I sure wish it becomes reality though.

[gutlead74]

I want their 34th and maybe a 4th or 5th.

I believe Charles Brown is still available.

Or maybe Saffold?!!?!?
I think Golden Tate would be sweet as well.

[2STaylor1]

im NOT sorry if this has already been posted, however if we have someone whos not willing to play here and put in the work we need to cut our losses.... they say this is the deepest draft since 1983 and that to me means we can get first round talent in the second and second round talent in the 3rd...lets make this move, dont get me wrong tho, id love to keep him if he would be willing to give it all but it doesnt appear so..... there are big names available and we need to take advantage of that. i wanna know what yall experts/online GM's think about this, but in the end i want players that wanna be here and are willing to put forth the effort to be great. if AH comes back and plays better then ever, i will enjoy eating my words, but i think we should do this! tell me wut yall think

[method man]

im NOT sorry if this has already been posted, however if we have someone whos not willing to play here and put in the work we need to cut our losses.... they say this is the deepest draft since 1983 and that to me means we can get first round talent in the second and second round talent in the 3rd...lets make this move, dont get me wrong tho, id love to keep him if he would be willing to give it all but it doesnt appear so..... there are big names available and we need to take advantage of that. i wanna know what yall experts/online GM's think about this, but in the end i want players that wanna be here and are willing to put forth the effort to be great. if AH comes back and plays better then ever, i will enjoy eating my words, but i think we should do this! tell me wut yall think

I agree. We have a lot of quality depth at 3-4 DE in Jarmon, Golston, Carriker, and Daniels.

[s0crates]

If I were the Vikings I would not trade that high a pick for a player who spends half the game catching his breath.

[U C S D SkinsFan]

I agree. We have a lot of quality depth at 3-4 DE in Jarmon, Golston, Carriker, and Daniels.

Isn't it nice to have a football team again! We have some DEPTH and competition. We didn't just go into the offseason signing every high priced FA, leaving us thin all over the rest of the team. This is how you build a real cohesive team. A few gambles here and there for some upside guys, but mostly solid players all around w/ good depth in case of injuries/poor play. I'm real excited about the direction.
I wish someone close to AH could just smack him and remind him how much the Redskins just paid him. He owes it to Dan Snyder to put some effort forth. I'm hoping we see a bit more motivation this year.