Yahoo Sports - QB rankings: Suspension drops Roethlisberger [Archive]

HapHaszard

May-19th-2010, 07:33 AM

This article should draw some fire :ols:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-qbrankings051810

8. Washington Redskins: If Donovan McNabb(notes) was still in Philadelphia, the Eagles would probably be No. 6 or No. 7. But trading McNabb automatically weakened the Eagles (at least until Kevin Kolb(notes) proves he can play) and was an amazing boost for the Redskins. Yeah, a lot of fans don’t like McNabb, but history will show that he’s one of the game’s most underappreciated players.

9. New York Giants: Eli “The Enigma” Manning is coming off the best statistical season of his career, including a 93.1 rating (that’s nearly 14 points higher than his career rating). Yet there are still plenty of people who will tell you that few players have done less with more than Manning. Last season, the Giants were 2-6 against playoff teams and Manning had a rating of 71 or lower in four of those games. Throw in awful performances in losses at Denver and Carolina and you have a confounding picture of Manning’s potential vs. reality.

10. Dallas Cowboys: In four years as a starter, Tony Romo(notes) has never had a season rating of less than 91 and has a career TD-to-interception ratio of nearly 2-to-1 (107 TDs, 55 interceptions). Yet many Cowboys fans view him as the second coming of Danny White, who flopped as the starter after Roger Staubach retired. A big part of the problem is that it just doesn’t seem as if Romo takes the game seriously enough. Maybe his recent decision to put football before golf speaks to a change in perspective

17. Philadelphia Eagles: Yeah, yeah. “Insiders” like to talk about how Kevin Kolb is the next big thing and that the Eagles were smart to get rid of McNabb. Maybe, but all I know is that McNabb can play. As for Kolb, he has had three games with significant playing time. He got hammered in relief against Baltimore in 2008 and New Orleans in ’09 during his first career start. He looked great against Kansas City in his second start, but that’s the Chiefs. It’s going to be awhile before the jury returns a verdict.

click on the link for the full rankings.

thespaniard

May-19th-2010, 07:57 AM

It's interesting to compare this list with the thread we had going here:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=323207

MattFancy

May-19th-2010, 09:55 AM

It's interesting to compare this list with the thread we had going here:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=323207

Not too far off from my list! Maybe I do know something after all lol

Mr. Jones

May-19th-2010, 11:29 AM

This list is terrible. I mean just awful, Romo is better than McNabb and significantly better than Eli.

Aukh

May-19th-2010, 11:45 AM

This list is terrible. I mean just awful, Romo is better than McNabb and significantly better than Eli.

No he's not.

Maximus71

May-19th-2010, 11:58 AM

This list is terrible. I mean just awful, Romo is better than McNabb and significantly better than Eli.

How many playoff games has romo won? How many NFC championships games has he been to? At this point I am not sure who is better, its possible chunky would still be a better QB in Philly than playing for my team but we can talk again after this season is over but as of now chunky is still better than your choke artist.

Mr. Jones

May-19th-2010, 03:49 PM

No he's not.

How many playoff games has romo won? How many NFC championships games has he been to? At this point I am not sure who is better, its possible chunky would still be a better QB in Philly than playing for my team but we can talk again after this season is over but as of now chunky is still better than your choke artist.

So you're saying the player who's put up worse stats in every way while over the last few years while playing in a more QB friendly system (lets be honest the west coast system certainly pads QB stats), while putting up a worse record is better, just to be clear.

McNabb has had a better career so far, but currently Romo is the best QB in the NFC East. Last year he has a better completion rate, better YPA, more TDs, fewer INTs, oh and a 3-0 head to head record.

As for Eli he doesn't even merit discussion. Other than one 4 game stretch riding the best DL seen in recent years he's a very average QB.

Gibbs Hog Heaven

May-19th-2010, 05:32 PM

From the division, it's the Eagles one that get's me.

Kolb ranked just under half-way league wide. After a whopping TWO pro starts. Man alive, you don't have to do much to gain the mediots attention in this league huh? :doh:.

In one fowl swoop, IMHO, the Eagles went from perennial play-off contenders to NFC East cellar dwellers when they traded the man who orchestrated those runs out on the field.

Hail.

Califan007

May-19th-2010, 08:14 PM

So you're saying the player who's put up worse stats in every way while over the last few years while playing in a more QB friendly system (lets be honest the west coast system certainly pads QB stats), while putting up a worse record is better, just to be clear.
McNabb put up a worse record over the last few years?

Records over the last 2 seasons:

Romo: 19-10-0
McNabb: 19-10-1

Or maybe you meant McNabb has a worse record in the playoffs over the last few seasons:

Romo: 1-2
McNabb: 2-2

McNabb has had a better career so far, but currently Romo is the best QB in the NFC East. Last year he has a better completion rate, better YPA, more TDs, fewer INTs, oh and a 3-0 head to head record.
Maybe it has something to do with this:

Post-season stats:

Completion %:

Romo - 59.3%
McNabb - 59.1%

TDs:

Romo - 4
McNabb - 24

TD %:

Romo - 2.96%
McNabb - 4.15%

Yards per attempt:

Romo - 6.16
McNabb - 6.5

Record:

Romo - 1-3
McNabb - 9-7

Only Dallas fans act as if regular season stats trump everything else lol :ols:...

DeadExField

May-19th-2010, 10:06 PM

wow, pwnage

Outlaw Torn

May-19th-2010, 11:01 PM

This list is terrible. I mean just awful, Romo is better than McNabb and significantly better than Eli.
:ols: dallas fans

Mr. Jones

May-19th-2010, 11:15 PM

In the regular season Romo is easily superior putting up better stats and a 5-3 head to head record (4-1 last two years). Last Two years is cherry picking too, over the last 3 years Romo is 32-14-0 McNabb is 27-15-1 Last season in the playoffs Romo was also better than McNabb too, even after you include the MN game where the Dallas o-line fell apart.

Rating
Romo 85.5
McNabb 68.5

Completion %
Romo 64.3
McNabb 51.4

YPA
Romo 6.3
McNabb 6.2

TD%
Romo 2.86%
McNabb 2.7%

Int%
Romo 1.4%
McNabb 2.7%

So no, I wouldn't say McNabb is better than Romo these days...

bornzorn

May-19th-2010, 11:48 PM

In the regular season Romo is easily superior putting up better stats and a 5-3 head to head record (4-1 last two years). Last season in the playoffs Romo was also better than McNabb too, even after you include the MN game where the Dallas o-line fell apart.

Rating
Romo 85.5
McNabb 68.5

Completion %
Romo 64.3
McNabb 51.4

YPA
Romo 6.3
McNabb 6.2

TD%
Romo 2.86%
McNabb 2.7%

Int%
Romo 1.4%
McNabb 2.7%

So no, I wouldn't say McNabb is better than Romo these days...

So going by your own logic, that would mean Eli > Romo, since Eli is 4-1 against the Cowboys since the 2007 playoffs, including going 2-0 against them last season when the Giants defense was just god awful.

You Cowboy homos need to get out of here. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles have been the class of the division for the better part of the last decade, and that's due in large part to Mcnabb.

Romo has done nothing significant besides date a blond whore in his tenure with the Cowboys......even "scrubby Eli" has managed to win a Super Bowl along with it's MVP trophy while "riding the coattails of his defense", even though he managed to put up a damn impressive 95.7 passer rating during that post season run.

GreenRiggins

May-19th-2010, 11:52 PM

Being honest, at this stage in their careers I would rather have " gulp " Romo
:puke::puke:

robotfire

May-20th-2010, 07:23 PM

Being honest, at this stage in their careers I would rather have " gulp " Romo
:puke::puke:But which would you rather have for *this year*? To me, that's a no brainer. Romo has had some abysmal performances when it counts.

Mr. Jones

May-20th-2010, 08:16 PM

But which would you rather have for *this year*? To me, that's a no brainer. Romo has had some abysmal performances when it counts.

So has McNabb. See his performances in a few NFC title games and the last two games he played last season.

Tweedr01

May-21st-2010, 06:33 AM

So has McNabb. See his performances in a few NFC title games and the last two games he played last season.

How many title games has Romo been to?

And lets be realistic, the last two games of last year McNabbs line was like a floodgate because of injuries so don't play Romo off to be some savior. Cowboys won because of injuries to the Eagles o-line, and then had the exact same thing happen a week later to them when fat flozell went down and Doug Free and Marc Colombo sucked.

Cowboys fans seem to only remember beating the Eagles because they were 'so much better':jerk:, but when they lost to the Vikings it was 'because we were playing with a backup o-line', whatever.:violin:

Hitman21ST

May-21st-2010, 06:43 AM

This list is terrible. I mean just awful, Romo is better than McNabb and significantly better than Eli.

Romo's had one decent year (this past one) and he won one playoff game.

McNabb has trips to 4 NFC Championship Game and 1 Super Bowl trip with fewer weapons and a worse defense than Romo has, and McNabb consistently puts up numbers, with one of the lowest TD-INT ratios in NFL history. McNabb has done more with less than anyone in NFL history.

Eli has a Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy to go along with that, beating the most prolific offense in NFL history and a team that was destined to go 19-0. And he's making his receivers look like superstars. Who would have picked Manningham and Steve Smith (the other one) as their receivers and been able to make them look as good as they are.

Hitman21ST

May-21st-2010, 06:44 AM

How many title games has Romo been to?

And lets be realistic, the last two games of last year McNabbs line was like a floodgate because of injuries so don't play Romo off to be some savior. Cowboys won because of injuries to the Eagles o-line, and then had the exact same thing happen a week later to them when fat flozell went down and Doug Free and Marc Colombo sucked.

Cowboys fans seem to only remember beating the Eagles because they were 'so much better':jerk:, but when they lost to the Vikings it was 'because we were playing with a backup o-line', whatever.:violin:

Revisionist history, gotta love it.

:silly:

Tweedr01

May-21st-2010, 08:40 AM

Revisionist history, gotta love it.

:silly:

Lol, I don't think we will be hearing from them on this one again :evilg:

EDIT: Well at least nothing intelligent, although that seems kinda redundant

doncherry

May-21st-2010, 10:27 AM

Romo's had one decent year (this past one) and he won one playoff game.

McNabb has trips to 4 NFC Championship Game and 1 Super Bowl trip with fewer weapons and a worse defense than Romo has, and McNabb consistently puts up numbers, with one of the lowest TD-INT ratios in NFL history. McNabb has done more with less than anyone in NFL history.

Eli has a Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy to go along with that, beating the most prolific offense in NFL history and a team that was destined to go 19-0. And he's making his receivers look like superstars. Who would have picked Manningham and Steve Smith (the other one) as their receivers and been able to make them look as good as they are.

Romo has thrown for over 4000 yards two of the past three years. In 2007 he threw 36 TD passes. He has never had a QB rating under 91. Trent Dilfer also has a super bowl ring, would you consider him a great QB? Dan Marino doesn't - was he a terrible QB?

Tweedr01

May-21st-2010, 10:35 AM

Romo has thrown for over 4000 yards two of the past three years. In 2007 he threw 36 TD passes. He has never had a QB rating under 91. Trent Dilfer also has a super bowl ring, would you consider him a great QB? Dan Marino doesn't - was he a terrible QB?

Are you comparing Homo to Trent Dilfer or Marino? I'd say Homo has a ways to go before he's as good as Trent Dilfer, that man is HOF worthy!

ACW

May-21st-2010, 10:40 AM

Best QB in the NFCE :point2sky

doncherry

May-21st-2010, 12:19 PM

Are you comparing Homo to Trent Dilfer or Marino? I'd say Homo has a ways to go before he's as good as Trent Dilfer, that man is HOF worthy!

excellent....:)

GreenRiggins

May-21st-2010, 01:05 PM

But which would you rather have for *this year*? To me, that's a no brainer. Romo has had some abysmal performances when it counts.

1st.... I must admit I don't think that McNabb will help us at this stage of his career and I'm not a fan of the trade for him. I hope I'm wrong but I think the Eagles know more about him than we do and they wouldn't trade him within the division without some serious just cause.

Don't be surprised if Mcnabb stinks here and please don't make me feel like I'm defending Romo. I just know he is a better QB than McNabb "right now" and if you poll all 32 NFL GM's I'd bet they would favor Romo too...

:mad::(:mad:

Tweedr01

May-21st-2010, 01:12 PM

excellent....:)

just confirming you know i was talking about Dilfer....loaded with sarcasm obviously

but Romo isn't either of these, he's not a terrible QB who won a SB (or has even come close :cool:), and he's not a great QB who hasn't won a SB (which he probably won't ever :cool:) he lies somewhere in the middle of terrible QB with no SB ring and a choker QB with no SB ring, just not sure exactly what to call it:laugh:

Inquisitor

May-22nd-2010, 02:25 PM

This list is terrible. I mean just awful, Romo is better than McNabb and significantly better than Eli.

One year ago today, the vast majority of Cowboys fans would have conceded that Romo was firmly behind both McNabb and Eli, today they are incensed that people are even making comparisons, as if a debate was beneath contempt.

The bandwagon know-nothing nature of the Cowboys fanbase is appalling.

As for the criticism of Eli that no QB has done less with more... what the what? Last year the Giants Achilles heel was supposed to be its receiving corps, filled with young and unproven talent. Yet Eli passed Steve Smith into Giants record books, and himself into a career year, all while the receiving corps was barely scratching the surface of their abilities. Less with more my ass.

I'll take the field general who would rather throw the incompletion into the dirt when that is the best option and watch as his QB rating takes a dive, than the scrambling, fumbling, worst possible moment of the game turnover waiting to happen flash in the pan, any day of the week.

Mordac

May-22nd-2010, 08:42 PM

This is the part I don't get.

Yet many Cowboys fans view him as the second coming of Danny White, who flopped as the starter after Roger Staubach retired.
Does anybody know any Cowboy fans that are dissatisfied with Romo?

Mr. Jones

May-23rd-2010, 01:09 AM

One year ago today, the vast majority of Cowboys fans would have conceded that Romo was firmly behind both McNabb and Eli, today they are incensed that people are even making comparisons, as if a debate was beneath contempt.

The bandwagon know-nothing nature of the Cowboys fanbase is appalling.

As for the criticism of Eli that no QB has done less with more... what the what? Last year the Giants Achilles heel was supposed to be its receiving corps, filled with young and unproven talent. Yet Eli passed Steve Smith into Giants record books, and himself into a career year, all while the receiving corps was barely scratching the surface of their abilities. Less with more my ass.

I'll take the field general who would rather throw the incompletion into the dirt when that is the best option and watch as his QB rating takes a dive, than the scrambling, fumbling, worst possible moment of the game turnover waiting to happen flash in the pan, any day of the week.

From the time he's started I've called Romo better than Eli. He completes a higher rate of his passes, for more yards an attempt, and for more tds. Also if you go check the stats, Romo also turns the ball over LESS than Eli, all while playing behind a significantly worse offensive line.

wysknz1

May-23rd-2010, 07:09 AM

Romo has thrown for over 4000 yards two of the past three years. In 2007 he threw 36 TD passes. He has never had a QB rating under 91. Trent Dilfer also has a super bowl ring, would you consider him a great QB? Dan Marino doesn't - was he a terrible QB?

Wait, are you saying this is a TEAM sport?!?!?!

Wow, So your saying this is a team sport?!?! Never saw that one coming. So all in all this best QB talk is a waste of time.

robotfire

May-23rd-2010, 07:29 AM

Wait, are you saying this is a TEAM sport?!?!?!

Wow, So your saying this is a team sport?!?! Never saw that one coming. So all in all this best QB talk is a waste of time.The "has he won a Super Bowl" talk is somewhat a waste of time. Roethlisburger would not have won a single Super Bowl if he played for the Redskins, yet he's got two with the Steelers. And he played a terrible game in his first Super Bowl win.

Inquisitor

May-23rd-2010, 02:06 PM

From the time he's started I've called Romo better than Eli. He completes a higher rate of his passes, for more yards an attempt, and for more tds. Also if you go check the stats, Romo also turns the ball over LESS than Eli, all while playing behind a significantly worse offensive line.

You keep throwing these wild claims out there, thinking that just because the words are spoken they must be true. But unfortunately for you, the rest of the world doesn't fall in lockstep with your delusional way of thinking.

Example.

You say Eli has played behind a significantly better offensive line, I ask in what respect? A better pass protecting line? Hardly. This current Giants offensive line has never been known as a top pass blocking offensive line, and I would wager to guess rank not far pass middle of the road. As a run blocking unit you'll get no argument from me, they are elite, or at least have been until last year, but I'm confident that is not what you were originally talking about.

It's funny to me that a Cowboys fan would think that just because Romo was not afforded 10 seconds inside the pocket, consistently unmolested, that this would add up to a unit that was tantamount to "significantly worse" than a unit this certain Cowboys fan must have barely paid any attention to. Again showing the know-nothing bandwagon nature of the Cowboys faithful.

Amazing the lengths Cowboys fans will go to excuse Romo's past sorry performances. Take the 2007 NFC divisional playoff's as an example. Featuring a probowl studded offensive line, a prolific 1-2 punch at RB, an all-pro TE and WR, and facing a defense with 3/4ths of it's CB depth out of the lineup Romo consistently came up short time and time again in the second half of the game in which the Cowboys dominated possession.

And who was the goat of the game? Patrick Crayton of course, because as we all know that one missed drop was the only chance the Cowboys had at getting back into that game. [/sarcasm]

By the way, over the last 2 seasons Romo has turned the ball over as many times as Eli has... in 3 fewer games. His completion PCT. has been marginally better than Eli's, although as already pointed out, Eli is much, much more likely to throw the ball away and live to fight another day when a play breaks down than force it into triple coverage, or scramble around and eventually fumble the ball.

Romo has also thrown for a few hundred more yards, and 5 more TD's, but you would think that would come natural thanks to all that amazing talent that is constantly getting talked up in Big D.

Heh, you want to talk about doing less with more, look no further than Tony Romo.

Mr. Jones

May-23rd-2010, 03:20 PM

You keep throwing these wild claims out there, thinking that just because the words are spoken they must be true. But unfortunately for you, the rest of the world doesn't fall in lockstep with your delusional way of thinking.

Example.

You say Eli has played behind a significantly better offensive line, I ask in what respect? A better pass protecting line? Hardly. This current Giants offensive line has never been known as a top pass blocking offensive line, and I would wager to guess rank not far pass middle of the road. As a run blocking unit you'll get no argument from me, they are elite, or at least have been until last year, but I'm confident that is not what you were originally talking about

By the way, over the last 2 seasons Romo has turned the ball over as many times as Eli has... in 3 fewer games. His completion PCT. has been marginally better than Eli's, although as already pointed out, Eli is much, much more likely to throw the ball away and live to fight another day when a play breaks down than force it into triple coverage, or scramble around and eventually fumble the ball.

Romo has also thrown for a few hundred more yards, and 5 more TD's, but you would think that would come natural thanks to all that amazing talent that is constantly getting talked up in Big D.

Heh, you want to talk about doing less with more, look no further than Tony Romo.

The Cowboys pass blocking isn't particularly good, Flozell and Columbo were both inconsistent against speed rushers and Flozell was at times just downright lazy. I've watched enough Giants games to see that they're obviously better in pass protection in addition to being vastly superior run blockers. The only reason Romo doesn't take more sacks is because he is so elusive.

As for the turnovers...let us compare

2009
Romo 9 int 4 fumbles 550 attempts
Eli 14 int 8 fumbles 509 attempts

2008
Romo 14int 8 fumbles in 450 pass attempts (7 games with a broken finger on his throwing hand)
Eli 10int 2 fumbles in 479 attempts

2007
Romo 19 int 2 fumbles in 520 attempts
Eli 20 int 7 fumbles lost in 509 attempts (led the NFL in turnvovers)

So Eli turns the ball over more both recently and since they've both been starters. The only time this wasn't true was 2 years ago when Romo was playing with a broken finger, and even though he missed 3 games had almost as many attempts. In fact Romo has a much lower turnover rate period, so yeah, my wild claims are correct.

Tweedr01

May-24th-2010, 07:46 AM

The Cowboys pass blocking isn't particularly good, Flozell and Columbo were both inconsistent against speed rushers and Flozell was at times just downright lazy. I've watched enough Giants games to see that they're obviously better in pass protection in addition to being vastly superior run blockers. The only reason Romo doesn't take more sacks is because he is so elusive.

As for the turnovers...let us compare

2009
Romo 9 int 4 fumbles 550 attempts
Eli 14 int 8 fumbles 509 attempts

2008
Romo 14int 8 fumbles in 450 pass attempts (7 games with a broken finger on his throwing hand)
Eli 10int 2 fumbles in 479 attempts

2007
Romo 19 int 2 fumbles in 520 attempts
Eli 20 int 7 fumbles lost in 509 attempts (led the NFL in turnvovers)

So Eli turns the ball over more both recently and since they've both been starters. The only time this wasn't true was 2 years ago when Romo was playing with a broken finger, and even though he missed 3 games had almost as many attempts. In fact Romo has a much lower turnover rate period, so yeah, my wild claims are correct.

While I've never been one to side with a Giants fan, its comical that you mentioned Romo's bwoken pinky and completely did not mention Eli's acchilles (sp?) heel or ankle issue he had, and still played through. That's the second time you put half the info in there, I'm starting to see the poke mantra!

Mr. Jones

May-24th-2010, 11:09 AM

While I've never been one to side with a Giants fan, its comical that you mentioned Romo's bwoken pinky and completely did not mention Eli's acchilles (sp?) heel or ankle issue he had, and still played through. That's the second time you put half the info in there, I'm starting to see the poke mantra!

Plantar fasciitis is what Eli had and if I'm dismissive of it it's because I have it too and even with a job requiring me to be on my feet up to 12 hours a day I don't let effect me. Oh no, his foot was sore, the horror. Also, Romo played through a sprained ankle in September last year .

As for Romo's "bwoken pinky" it was actually the metacarpal i.e. the "pinky" bone in of his hand and had him playing in a cast that left him unable to properly grip a or throw a football. Before he was hurt that year Romo had a the second best QB rating in the NFC at 105.3, led the NFL in touchdowns with 14 and had thrown 5 interceptions.

The funny thing is even missing 3 games and playing injured, the stats Romo put up that year (his worst) were better than anything Eli had put up to that point. Romo's completion rate, YPA, TDs, and QB rating would of all been career highs for Eli at that point.

The only argument that can be made about Eli being better is he has a ring, much like Trent Dilfer. Eli put together 4 good games at just the right time, and other than that he's been awful in the playoffs. I'm sort of amused that no one brings up Eli choking in 2008 when his Giants were mauled by the Eagles and he threw for no TDs, fewer yards and more ints than Romo's "choke job" the year before.

HapHaszard

May-24th-2010, 02:51 PM

The funny thing is even missing 3 games and playing injured, the stats Romo put up that year (his worst) were better than anything Eli had put up to that point. Romo's completion rate, YPA, TDs, and QB rating would of all been career highs for Eli at that point.

The only argument that can be made about Eli being better is he has a ring, much like Trent Dilfer. Eli put together 4 good games at just the right time, and other than that he's been awful in the playoffs.
What is Romo's win loss ratio in the playoffs vs Eli's?

Mr. Jones

May-24th-2010, 03:56 PM

What is Romo's win loss ratio in the playoffs vs Eli's?

Eli was on a superbowl winning team so his record is obviously better,4-3 vs 1-3. Eli's performance in his 3 losses was abysmal though, throwing 2 TDS to 7 interceptions.

Trent Dilfer was 5-1 in playoff games he started, Montana was 16-7, Marino was 8-9. Which of those guys was the best?

phillybirdzfan

May-25th-2010, 01:37 AM

Yeah, a lot of fans don’t like McNabb, but history will show that he’s one of the game’s most underappreciated players.

BS! Most of Philadelphia is/was a fan of Donovan Mcnabb. He was the best QB to ever play for the birds. I was in favor of moving on this offseason, but to say I[a lot of fans] "don't like McNabb" is an insult. If he hadn't been traded to the [team that finishes last usually] Redskins, I'd wish and want him to do as well as possible up to the Superbowl. If he were to win the championship, it would be heartbreaking.

17. Philadelphia Eagles: Yeah, yeah. “Insiders” like to talk about how Kevin Kolb is the next big thing and that the Eagles were smart to get rid of McNabb. Maybe, but all I know is that McNabb can play. As for Kolb, he has had three games with significant playing time. He got hammered in relief against Baltimore in 2008 and New Orleans in ’09 during his first career start. He looked great against Kansas City in his second start, but that’s the Chiefs. It’s going to be awhile before the jury returns a verdict.

I'm 100% fine with any ranking because he is as unproven as they come (at least to the national writer), but do not say he got hammered against the Super Bowl winning Saints. He did well in this defensive loss, especially for his first start. Don't believe me? Please review: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/5/8/1463994/kevin-kolb-game-tape-week-2-vs-new

This is my first post on extremeskins. I hope to have good discussions in the future involving the the NFC east. I may or not be slightly[read:heavily] intoxicated at the time. This is due to the moderation process for new users that led to a delay...

Mcnabb will be very good for your team. He has his many positives. He also has his shortcomings. I look forward to Sean Mcdermott taking advantage of each and every negative, while negating every positive that Donovan has on Oct 3 and whenever it is that we travel to that hell hole that is Fed Ex field.

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I want to emphasize my intoxication in any historical errors I made, but any 'insults' I made were completely true in the most lighthearted way possible.

Good Luck for 2nd place in the division, and 3rd place in the wildcard!:evilg:

barens2

May-25th-2010, 07:36 AM

barens2

May-25th-2010, 07:48 AM

Eli was on a superbowl winning team so his record is obviously better,4-3 vs 1-3. Eli's performance in his 3 losses was abysmal though, throwing 2 TDS to 7 interceptions.

Trent Dilfer was 5-1 in playoff games he started, Montana was 16-7, Marino was 8-9. Which of those guys was the best?

You see, to me, if you're going to comparing Eli Manning to Trent Dilfer, then I'd to compare Tony Romo to Jeff Garcia at best.

Mr. Jones

May-25th-2010, 10:58 AM

A worse offensive line? Please.?.?

Earlier, you mentioned Eli rode the coattails of an excellent defense to win a Super Bowl. What was Romo's excuse last year? Dallas had one of the best defenses in the NFL, why couldn't Romo lead them to a Super Bowl?

You see, to me, if you're going to comparing Eli Manning to Trent Dilfer, then I'd to compare Tony Romo to Jeff Garcia at best.

Did you watch the MN game? Dallas couldn't pass protect, Columbo was getting beaten up for his lunch money and before they could make Free replace him, Adams went down and Free was forced into duty on the other side instead. Romo was forced to run for his life the whole game, getting sacked 6 times and getting hit a number more. Dallas D was also less than stellar that game, they gave up more than their game average in points each half. I couldn't really blame them to much though since the offense couldn't keep them off the field.

If you're going to compare Romo to a past quarterback by numbers and post season performance, Marino is sort of the obvious choice. Both put up eye popping numbers, have an amazingly quick release, and haven't been able to win when it matters. Garcia isn't a terrible choice though as they both went undrafted and performed pretty well with high ratings. The difference is Garcia was only effective in a west coast system based around short passes and average more than a yard less an attempt. Garcia also only averaged 4.4% TD rate compared to Romo's impressive 5.8

barens2

May-25th-2010, 01:59 PM

Did you watch the MN game? Dallas couldn't pass protect, Columbo was getting beaten up for his lunch money and before they could make Free replace him, Adams went down and Free was forced into duty on the other side instead. Romo was forced to run for his life the whole game, getting sacked 6 times and getting hit a number more. Dallas D was also less than stellar that game, they gave up more than their game average in points each half. I couldn't really blame them to much though since the offense couldn't keep them off the field.

If you're going to compare Romo to a past quarterback by numbers and post season performance, Marino is sort of the obvious choice. Both put up eye popping numbers, have an amazingly quick release, and haven't been able to win when it matters. Garcia isn't a terrible choice though as they both went undrafted and performed pretty well with high ratings. The difference is Garcia was only effective in a west coast system based around short passes and average more than a yard less an attempt. Garcia also only averaged 4.4% TD rate compared to Romo's impressive 5.8

Are you really comparing Romo to Marino? My word, I mean he's a good young QB, but Marino? You've got to come back down to earth with that comparison.

Romo has had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL over the past few years, probably the best tight end in the game, an excellent trio of running backs, some of the best defensive players in the game on the other side of the ball, and year after year, some great wide receivers.

Mr. Jones

May-25th-2010, 02:16 PM

Are you really comparing Romo to Marino? My word, I mean he's a good young QB, but Marino? You've got to come back down to earth with that comparison.

Romo has had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL over the past few years, probably the best tight end in the game, an excellent trio of running backs, some of the best defensive players in the game on the other side of the ball, and year after year, some great wide receivers.

Romo isn't as good as Marino, but statistically Romo is a top 5 QB all time in career rating, YPA, fastest to 100TDs, road winning % and a few other categories. His arm strength is average, his accuracy is very good but not exceptional, but his one real strength is he has the fastest recorded release among any QB in history. Currently I'd rank Romo below Peyton, Brees, Brady and Rivers certainly.

He has had good recievers, a top TE and a solid running game, but his offensive line really hasn't been that good, particularly in pass protection. Romo's elusive nature makes them seem better than they are, but they're very middle of the road.

doncherry

May-25th-2010, 02:48 PM

Romo isn't as good as Marino, but statistically Romo is a top 5 QB all time in career rating, YPA, fastest to 100TDs, road winning % and a few other categories. His arm strength is average, his accuracy is very good but not exceptional, but his one real strength is he has the fastest recorded release among any QB in history. Currently I'd rank Romo below Peyton, Brees, Brady and Rivers certainly.

He has had good recievers, a top TE and a solid running game, but his offensive line really hasn't been that good, particularly in pass protection. Romo's elusive nature makes them seem better than they are, but they're very middle of the road.

i like Romo too, but you best pump the brakes, he certainly isn't Dan Marino nor should he be compared to Marino.