Sniff...sniff...I smell puke fan fear...

[tr1]

Why, you ask, do I think puke fans are afraid of Sunday's game?

Well, it looks like their pathetic o-line from the preseason will be the SAME o-line that starts the regular season. And, I don't think any of those replacements have been projected to be pro-bowlers...;)

Then, there's that pathetic running attack. You see, without the big guys up front to open up the holes, the running game is anemic. Oh, and I'm sure the MB III trade rumors have really, really helped moral in that group.

Then, there's that overly-hyped-as-yet-not-to-make-a-preseason-catch-and-injured Dez Bryant. Yes, the rookie has failed to play in a majority of the preseason games, yet, I'm sure that cracker-jack coaching staff the pukes have will inject him into the game.

Oh, and did I mention Roy Williams is over-paid and flat out sucks?

On defense, that secondary is SUSPECT. I mean REALLY suspect. We might actually see an NFL passing record Sunday night by McNabb. Any kind of INJURY to the pukes' secondary will be a MAJOR blow.

I'm really looking forward to Sunday night.

I need to find a bar in Durango that has the game on.

[Skin'Em84]

Is there a like option?

[tr1]

Puke fans' absence tells the story.

They're worried.

:rotflmao:

[rockfan7224]

like and retweet

[VCDefectors]

I need to find a bar in Durango that has the game on.

I gotta know something. When you go out to the bars, do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck to other people, or do you save your "best" material for the ATN? Since you love to tell people your view on the Cowboys, it would be cool if you would tell us some of your great adventures in Cowboys-hate related activities in real life (vs. the internet toughguy persona you've got going here). Please share.

Thanks in advance!

[kvarlo12000]

I gotta know something. When you go out to the bars, do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck to other people, or do you save your "best" material for the ATN? Since you love to tell people your view on the Cowboys, it would be cool if you would tell us some of your great adventures in Cowboys-hate related activities in real life (vs. the internet toughguy persona you've got going here). Please share.

Thanks in advance!


He is on a redskin message board. You don't have to come here, but since you do what do you expect? :dallasuck

[VCDefectors]

He is on a redskin message board. You don't have to come here, but since you do what do you expect? :dallasuck
What are you talking about? I wasn't even talking to you.

[terrifNick21]

:ols:

Cowpie fans crack me up. Why are you taking it personal?

[ConnSKINS26]

:ols: Can't wait to see the responses to this thread leading up to the game....I fully expect it to be closed in a couple of days with how riled up Puke fans get....and I guarantee its a couple of noobs Boy's "fans" who cause it.

[Califan007]

I gotta know something. When you go out to the bars, do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck to other people, or do you save your "best" material for the ATN? Since you love to tell people your view on the Cowboys, it would be cool if you would tell us some of your great adventures in Cowboys-hate related activities in real life (vs. the internet toughguy persona you've got going here). Please share.

Thanks in advance!
I have yet to see tr1 act like an "internet tough guy".

[onedrop]

I gotta know something. When you go out to the bars, do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck to other people, or do you save your "best" material for the ATN? Since you love to tell people your view on the Cowboys, it would be cool if you would tell us some of your great adventures in Cowboys-hate related activities in real life (vs. the internet toughguy persona you've got going here). Please share.

Thanks in advance!

When he goes out in the real world he doesn't have to say anything. Everyone but delusional dallass fans know how much the pokes suck:D

[TheDiplomat]

With only 3 cb's on their roster, I wonder how many 4 & 5 WR sets Kyle will run. I know Ball has played Corner, but he's slated to start at S right? This should be interesting. Especially considering we'll have all burners at WR sans Williams running against some Safetys in coverage. I CANNOT wait until Sunday night

[Hitman21ST]

With only 3 cb's on their roster, I wonder how many 4 & 5 WR sets Kyle will run. I know Ball has played Corner, but he's slated to start at S right? This should be interesting. Especially considering we'll have all burners at WR sans Williams running against some Safetys in coverage. I CANNOT wait until Sunday night


Don't worry, their "star-studded" defense will surely be able to keep up with our receivers even when they put linebackers up against them. They're just that awesome and we're just that horrible.:silly:

[DeMarco Murray 29]

With only 3 cb's on their roster, I wonder how many 4 & 5 WR sets Kyle will run. I know Ball has played Corner, but he's slated to start at S right? This should be interesting. Especially considering we'll have all burners at WR sans Williams running against some Safetys in coverage. I CANNOT wait until Sunday night

Owusu-Anwah is the 4th CB

[TheDiplomat]

Owusu-Anwah is the 4th CB

He's a Safety though playing CB correct? Or have you all officially converted him into a CB?

[Hitman21ST]

I have yet to see tr1 act like an "internet tough guy".


But I have seen more than a few Puke fans be this guy:

http://4chanmemeandmotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/internet_tough_guy_-_because_its_easy_to_be_a_6_foot_4_olympic_powerli fter_and_streetfighting_god_from_behind_the_confin es_of_a_keyboard.jpg

[Inquisitor]

You know football season has officially begun when the Cowboy "faithful" start to scurry like cockroaches.

[jflow78]

What are you talking about? I wasn't even talking to you.

Right, cause we're not all here reading this.

You do realize your team is probably the most hated of any NFL team in the league, right? The only time I've ever heard someone talk about "hating" a team other than their team's rival, it's most often the Cowboys.

[SonOfWashington]

This is what you see from the Stadium:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1331/lolzdd.png

:ols:

[KDVFinest]

Wash fans are getting delusional the closer it gets to game time.

Mcnabb is 0-3 vs. Cowboys in his last three games. :)

Your WR's are old, injury prone and lacking talent.

Your RB's are old and worn down.

Your Oline is the worst in the East.

Your Defense is soft up the middle.

Your secondary is the weakest in the East.

Dallas>Wash

Dallas wins by two touchdowns.

BTW got this from CZ via Adam.


Romo is 11-0 in night games on the road in the regular season.

In 2006, he won at Carolina and Atlanta at night

In 2007, he won at Chicago, Buffalo, Philadelphia and Carolina at night.

In 2008, he won at Green Bay and Washington at night.

In 2009, he won at Philadelphia, New Orleans and Washington at night.



His only road loss at night came in the 2006 playoffs at Seattle.

Romo is money in night games.

[Inquisitor]

And there you have it folks...

The Cowboys will win by a landslide...

Sniff...sniff...I smell puke fan fear...disguised as false bravado...

[Park City Skins]

:munchout: Now I know it's getting close to football season now. And it doesn't get much better than that first game match up.

[terrifNick21]

Wash fans are getting delusional the closer it gets to game time.

Mcnabb is 0-3 vs. Cowboys in his last three games. :)

Your WR's are old, injury prone and lacking talent.

Your RB's are old and worn down.

Your Oline is the worst in the East.

Your Defense is soft up the middle.

Your secondary is the weakest in the East.

Dallas>Wash

Dallas wins by two touchdowns.

BTW got this from CZ via Adam.



Romo is money in night games.

What does McNabb being 0-3 in his last three games mean about Sunday's game? Nothing.

Two of our WRs are older, but I didn't know the one's on the roster are injury prone. I must be missing something.

Our RBs may be older, but they're not worn down. You must forget that Portis has had at least 1200 yards when he doesn't miss significant time. Oh, and he's back in the same system he ran for over 3000 yards and 29 TDs his first two years in the NFL.

Our o-line's the worst? :ols: Have you seen YOUR turnstyle, I mean o-line?

How is the defense soft up the middle? Again, I must be missing something. Has Fletcher been getting pancaked his past 3 years and I've not noticed it? I could've sworn he was a pro bowler last year.

The secondary is the weakest? :rotflmao: Dude, we probably have the best in the division. Dallas has NO safeties. Yet Washington's is worse. :ols: Ok.


Dallas hasn't proven anything, nor has Washington, so saying Dallas is better is asinine and you're just believing the mediots hype of them.

BTW I got this from myself here on ES.


I hope your Sunday night sucks. :cheers:

[ConnSKINS26]

Your WR's are old, injury prone and lacking talent.

Yours are either hyped up, trade busts, or unknowns.


Your RB's are old and worn down.

And none of yours have ever rushed for 1,000 yards. Oh, and they'll need a line.


Your Oline is the worst in the East.

I think you've getting mixed up here...that's yours.


Your Defense is soft up the middle.

I assume you've gotten this from our defense in the preseason. Funny, since you've been gashed by the run just as much, if not more.


Your secondary is the weakest in the East.

Again, you've got this one backwards. That's the Pukes.


Dallas>Wash

Very insightful.


Dallas wins by two touchdowns.

I'll remember this post in a week. Too bad you won't be here :ols:


Romo is money in night games.

If you think this stat is anything other than coincidence....

[Mr. Sinister]

Someone please bump the hell outta this thread on Monday lol.

[ConnSKINS26]

Someone please bump the hell outta this thread on Monday lol.

Oh, I will be! :evilg:

[RansomthePasserby]

Your Oline is the worst in the East.

How's the view from that glass house?

[KDVFinest]

Sig bets anyone? I'm thinking they should stay up till we meet up next. Dallas will win this game period. Anyone who thinks otherwise, step up or shut the **** up when grown folks is talking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzbLYYnAsFI :)

Who's in?

[iMeast]

Wash fans are getting delusional the closer it gets to game time.

Mcnabb is 0-3 vs. Cowboys in his last three games. :)

That's all good and well, but he has accomplished more in the NFC (B)East than Tony Romo ever has. Five NFC Championship Games and one Super Bowl appearance. How many playoff games has Romo won again?


Your WR's are old, injury prone and lacking talent.
Old? Not really. Joey Galloway is ancient I will give you that, but the rest of the receiving corps is full of a bunch of young speedsters. Injury prone? You just wish Santana "The Cowboy Killer" Moss was injured.


Your RB's are old and worn down.

Clinton Portis is the number three active back in the league. He always hits 1,300 or more when he plays a full season. Portis has only missed two season due to injury, and lets be honest there was not reason for him to comeback last season.

Larry Johnson is simply there to give CP a breather and for emergencies. As for Mr. Williams he might just be one of those guys Mike Shanahan's run system "makes" in the next few years.
Your Oline is the worst in the East.


Your Defense is soft up the middle.
How would you know? The defense is dramatically different from last year. The Redskins are running a 3-4 scheme this season and some of the key players have shifted.


Your secondary is the weakest in the East.[QUOTE=KDVFinest;7763200]
The Redskins finished 8th against the pass last year and were first against it for most of the 2009 season. This year with a new, more aggressive defensive scheme there will be more turnovers.

[QUOTE=KDVFinest;7763200]Dallas>Wash

Dallas wins by two touchdowns.

BTW got this from CZ via Adam.



Romo is money in night games.

I would bet my sig this doesn't happen.

HTTR

[bbailey423]

It has NOTHING to do with fear....you need to alert us somewhere in your threads if you are talking football or just bumping your gums

I keep reading Romo will find a way to lose the game like he ALWAYS does. Is that the 30% of the time he loses? Because the guy wins 70% of the games he starts! Again, we can talk football all day, but please don't leave out facts, because all the talking does not change W/Ls....talking loud and constantly changes nothing once it is written in ink.

I keep reading Dallas defense is overrated. Perconally I really wish they played with more anger....but I think they gave up 16 points a game last year. I think the Skins scored 2 FGs in 2 games last year. I think if the overrated defense allows 3 points a game this year to the Skins....I think the Skins will suffer the same fate they suffered last year. But as a scared fan I won't let facts get in the way. I will continue to be frightened that our season is already in peril because of uncertainty at 4th CB.

I keep reading the OL is terrible. And I am very concerned about the OL. But I do know that in football, it is a cat and mouse game. Dallas will gameplan, and the opposition can either send the house and hope it gets there...or risk getting burned. So the pre-season means nothing. Because until the live bullets start firing, no one knows who is going to blink first....will it be Garrett or Haslet. But I know I know....the Redskins are in there first year of a new defense with a new defensive coordinator and Dallas is scared because they do not know what to expect. The Dallas offense and it's coaches don't see a seasoned 3-4 defense every day for the last 5 years in practice. Maybe the Skins will show Dallas what a real 3-4 defense looks like?

Let see, what else. Cowboys have inexperience at kicker. I completely agree.

The Cowboys will not be able to match the intensity in FedEx. I agree we rarely do....as a Cowboy fan that is dissapointing. You have to live in DC to know and understand what this means to DC. Because I live here, I know this. Maybe with Coach Shanahann and McNabb in DC now, the intensity will go up. Even as passionate as Skins fans have been about this rivalry, you have to admit your own respect for Spurrier, Robiske, Zorn, Pepper Rodgers, Norv etc....was lacking...and I think other teams/fans around the league agreed with you.

Lastly will add that the Cowboys have a bye very early in the season. 2 out of the first 3 are on the road against a hated NFC East rival AND an in-state battle royale with the Texans. The atmosphere in both stadiums will be at playoff intensity. Cowboys just need to find a way to win there home game and win on of these road games. I would love to be 3-0...but what fan wouldn't. So for me it has nothing to do with FEAR....it is about surviving when you are on the road in hostile environments. I think the Cowboys are the better team, so the score could be 2-0, 3-0, 6-3..etc... it means nothing when then they added them up at the end. Style points are for delusional fans that deep down know they have no chance this season. I will check back on this thread to PROVE I have no fear...but silly comments about Romo and his girlfriends/golf...or how dumpy Wade looks....or Brokeback Mountain...those tricks are for kids. But if you want to talk football. I can go all day.

[jtru637]

LOL, it cracks me up. . . Mcnabb has done this, Mcnabb has done that. the fact still remains Mcnabb has done NOTHING with the Skins. lol, thats like that commercial on the radio. .. "NOW HE'S ON OUR SIDE" hahah, and 4 or 5 reciever sets? are you F-ing kidding me, you dont have 4 or 5 recievers that can even do anything, lol. And you keep bolstering that we have the weakest oline, and we cant run with that oline. Your O-line has not done anything yet to show that they are any better, and I suppose the Portis and LJ are better to have than MBIII and Felix? No one is scared, I'm excited for this game to shut all these skins fans up, its going to be back to OMG OMG OMG what are we gonna do. The whole Skins team and their fans are so hyped up like every year with "changes" and how we are doing good in practice and then. . . FLOP. Stop lying to yourselves, you should be worried about how your team will perform b4 u makes statements that cowboys fans are scared.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Lets not get all crazy. Against Jim Zorn with Jason Campbell it was 7-6 the first meeting last year. Now it's Mike Shanahan with Donovan McNabb. Oh and Rock Cartwright was our leading rusher and receiver.

Have you Cowboys fan not seen the preseason? It's open season on Romo. Even with Kosier and Colombo in the lineup. Now those two could both be out and it's Barron and Holland in those spots. I don't think any amount of scheming is gonna keep poor old Tony off his back.

But hey, the Redskins were 4-12 last year. Don't worry about us.

[KDVFinest]

Sig bet for anyone who wants to step up.

Dallas wins by at least 10 points. Takers?

[ArmchairRedskin]

Sig bet for anyone who wants to step up.

Dallas wins by at least 10 points. Takers?



Why so you can disappear after losing? Right. We all know how that works.

[coolbeans]

And there you have it folks...

The Cowboys will win by a landslide...

Sniff...sniff...I smell puke fan fear...disguised as false bravado...


You got one thing right in this post and I'll let you figure out what it is. I think that last line perfectly describes the original post. Thanks!

[Landryslegend]

The time for TALK is almost over. WOW,.....Talk about being a bunch of bandwagon fans! Whats it like to have to cheer for a QB your fanbase has hated for over a decade!:ols: Come Sunday night im thinking TR1 will be pretty silent. Cept for maybe the bad ref posts that will come as surely as the sun rises.

[tr1]

:rotflmao:

Well come on, fellas. Do you really think your team is SB bound? I'm sure those two replacement/failures on the o-line are Pro-Bowl material. They definitely showed it in the preseason.

Did the first unit actually rush for any first down? I don't recall. :ols:

Did the first unit finish any drives for a TD? (and please, don't include that TD that resulted because of a fumble...a fumble that should it not have happened, would have resulted in your first unit scoring ZERO points in the preseason.)

Your secondary, as usual, is suspect. Neither of your corners are shutdown guys. And, the safties are a huge question mark.

Oh, and what a way to end last season....that Minny team humiliated you after you beat up on a injury-filled Philly team to win your only playoff game in over a decade.

Awesome!

Be afraid.

[tr1]

The time for TALK is almost over. WOW,.....Talk about being a bunch of bandwagon fans! Whats it like to have to cheer for a QB your fanbase has hated for over a decade!:ols: Come Sunday night im thinking TR1 will be pretty silent. Cept for maybe the bad ref posts that will come as surely as the sun rises.

Sure, I'm never here after a win or a loss. :rolleyes:

Puke fans, however, are here for a token post after a loss...and, then gone until the next puke win.

Just the facts.

[ArmchairRedskin]

So we're supposed to boo our QB because we used to root against him? Grow up. Guys change teams. It's a business. I don't see anything bandwagon about the most active messageboard in the NFL of a team that just went 4-12. We are here no matter what. Thing is, a lot of you will talk a bunch of noise all week and then slink back under your rocks after you lose. So spare us

[tr1]

I gotta know something. When you go out to the bars, do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck to other people, or do you save your "best" material for the ATN? Since you love to tell people your view on the Cowboys, it would be cool if you would tell us some of your great adventures in Cowboys-hate related activities in real life (vs. the internet toughguy persona you've got going here). Please share.

Thanks in advance!

I was on the Sandia Tram over the weekend...and there were two separate parties decked out in puke gear! I was in Texas for about three weeks before that, and didn't see anyone with puke gear on.

It's the dam-edest thing! :ols:

BTW, I always tell the gear wearers to watch out for the Skins. Many don't even realize there's a rivalry...too casual to care.

Some say, "oh, this...it's all that was clean." :ols:

[McD5]

On defense, that secondary is SUSPECT. I mean REALLY suspect. We might actually see an NFL passing record Sunday night by McNabb. Any kind of INJURY to the pukes' secondary will be a MAJOR blow.



:ols: Right. Keep it real, playa!

[DeMarco Murray 29]

He's a Safety though playing CB correct? Or have you all officially converted him into a CB?

This what is being reported

Alan Ball, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah will be ready for cornerback call

Todd Archer / Reporter


The Cowboys have kept only three true cornerbacks on the roster in Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick.

That means safeties Alan Ball and Akwasi Owusu-Ansah could be pressed into action at corner if an injury were to occur.

Owusu-Ansah said he has not been told yet by the coaches that he will see more time at corner, but since the Oxnard portion of training camp he has been working in the slot in the second-team nickel and dime packages.

Owusu-Ansah played corner at Indiana (Pa.) but the Cowboys moved him to safety.

"I think I can do it," Owusu-Ansah said of flipping back and forth. "I don't think it's that big of a deal. Nickel and corner are kind of similar, a little minor technique changes between the two, but since California it's been kind of an easy transition."

The Cowboys drafted Ball as a corner in 2007 and he only made the move to safety last season. He started three games for Ken Hamlin in 2009 and easily won the job this summer. But he found himself doing some cornerback work during camp.

"I hang my hat on being the type of player that gets out and plays whatever when I'm needed," Ball said. "That's what I've done since I got here and that's what I plan on keep doing."

[DeMarco Murray 29]

:ols: Right. Keep it real, playa!

Exactly.

3 of the 4 starters return and Alan Ball started several games for the Legend Ken Hamlin :ols:

Also, keep an eye out for Victor Butler. The kid is a monster in the pass rush game.

[tr1]

Alan Ball's name will be called a lot on Sunday night.

[The Caretaker]

Your secondary is the weakest in the East.

Ummm, you got it the other way around, our secondary is (personnel wise) the best in the east, and one of the best in the NFL. The last thing you should be talking trash about is our defense.

[brianm23]

Your Oline is the worst in the East.



Your secondary is the weakest in the East.



Do what? The Cowboys and Eagles OL are worse than ours at the moment. Also, it's our secondary that is our strong point.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

Last year we ranked 8th in pass defense in the NFL. Where were the boys ranked? 20th!!!

At least know what the **** you are talking about when you say something.

[jfr3ek]

STFU and get off our message board. You must be one of those fans who are from the VA area and supposedly liked them "crypukes" your whole life. BEAT IT!


I gotta know something. When you go out to the bars, do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck to other people, or do you save your "best" material for the ATN? Since you love to tell people your view on the Cowboys, it would be cool if you would tell us some of your great adventures in Cowboys-hate related activities in real life (vs. the internet toughguy persona you've got going here). Please share.

Thanks in advance!

[bbailey423]

Do what? The Cowboys and Eagles OL are worse than ours at the moment. Also, it's our secondary that is our strong point.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

Last year we ranked 8th in pass defense in the NFL. Where were the boys ranked? 20th!!!

At least know what the **** you are talking about when you say something.

so let me get this straight...you are using STATISTICS to prove the Skins secondary is better than Dallas? So does that mean you want to use STATISTICS to prove any other points? Just asking. Especially STATISTICS from LAST YEAR?

[bbailey423]

:rotflmao:

Well come on, fellas. Do you really think your team is SB bound? I'm sure those two replacement/failures on the o-line are Pro-Bowl material. They definitely showed it in the preseason.

Did the first unit actually rush for any first down? I don't recall. :ols:

Did the first unit finish any drives for a TD? (and please, don't include that TD that resulted because of a fumble...a fumble that should it not have happened, would have resulted in your first unit scoring ZERO points in the preseason.)

Your secondary, as usual, is suspect. Neither of your corners are shutdown guys. And, the safties are a huge question mark.

Oh, and what a way to end last season....that Minny team humiliated you after you beat up on a injury-filled Philly team to win your only playoff game in over a decade.

Awesome!

Be afraid.
So you are basing your assesment off pre-season? You do remember the Lions were 4-0 in the preseason a couple of years ago. Then they promplty went 0-16. In fact, they did not win another game until the big, bad, "put the fear of God in Dallas fans" monsters of the Beltway went to the Motor City and gave Lions fans that tingling feeling again.

[Califan007]

So you are basing your assesment off pre-season? You do remember the Lions were 4-0 in the preseason a couple of years ago. Then they promplty went 0-16. In fact, they did not win another game until the big, bad, "put the fear of God in Dallas fans" monsters of the Beltway went to the Motor City and gave Lions fans that tingling feeling again.
So you are basing your interpretation of tr1's points about preseason off of the records, is that it? Nobody mentioned the Cowboys' record this preseason...except you. Do you often argue and debate with invisible people who speak only in a language you can hear and see?

[bbailey423]

So you are basing your interpretation of tr1's points about preseason off of the records, is that it? Nobody mentioned the Cowboys' record this preseason...except you. Do you often argue and debate with invisible people who speak only in a language you can hear and see?

My interpetation of tr1's points? I have a pretty good command of the English language...and I do believe his post referenced our pre-season performance as a reason why the Cowboys are in trouble. I in turn reminded him that the Lions went 4-0 in the pre-season...did that mean we should have expected them to go 16-0? I mean you cannot have it both ways. But I do understand if the Lions losing streak is a sore spot for some.

[penasquito]

Let 'em have their fun. Its their last week as off-season champions.

It all comes crashing crashing down Sunday night, 'skins fans.

[MisterPinstripe]

I count about 10 Cowboys fans in this thread. I would imagine only 1 will be back if the Redskins win. No matter what they say, you cant respect them because of that.

[Califan007]

My interpetation of tr1's points? I have a pretty good command of the English language...and I do believe his post referenced our pre-season performance as a reason why the Cowboys are in trouble. I in turn reminded him that the Lions went 4-0 in the pre-season...did that mean we should have expected them to go 16-0? I mean you cannot have it both ways. But I do understand if the Lions losing streak is a sore spot for some.
:ols:...So, I'll ask again: are you basing your interpretation of tr1's points about preseason off of the records, is that it? Nobody mentioned the Cowboys' record this preseason...except you. And now you've done it twice.

[Califan007]

Let us have our fun. Its our last week as off-season champions.

It all comes crashing crashing down Sunday night, 'skins fans.

Couldn't agree more :yes:

[brianm23]

Let 'em have their fun. Its their last week as off-season champions.


Can't say we got the Off-season Champions title this year. I think Miami or Chicago won that by a landslide. In fact, the Redskins didn't do much of anything other than pick up a few vets (cheaply) at the RB/WR position.

[Ken]

So you are basing your assesment off pre-season? You do remember the Lions were 4-0 in the preseason a couple of years ago. Then they promplty went 0-16. In fact, they did not win another game until the big, bad, "put the fear of God in Dallas fans" monsters of the Beltway went to the Motor City and gave Lions fans that tingling feeling again.

Oh my.....:ols:

[Ken]

I count about 10 Cowboys fans in this thread. I would imagine only 1 will be back if the Redskins win. No matter what they say, you cant respect them because of that.

Well, I know Tnew and myself will be here regardless and probably at least a few others....so I don' think you are correct about this.

One thing I can guarantee is there will be dozens more here :ols: this thread now that it is out there....

[MisterPinstripe]

Well, I know Tnew and myself will be here regardless and probably at least a few others....so I don' think you are correct about this.

One thing I can guarantee is there will be dozens more here :ols: this thread now that it is out there....

In years past Cowboys fans have said this, but they dont show up. History has proven my statement. TN41 I respect because has show up. He has been the only one.

I am sure he will be the only one back here posting Sunday night/Monday morning.

[bbailey423]

:ols:...So, I'll ask again: are you basing your interpretation of tr1's points about preseason off of the records, is that it? Nobody mentioned the Cowboys' record this preseason...except you. And now you've done it twice.

There was a reason I entered with trepidation....you are validation.

[pjfootballer]

But hey, the Redskins were 4-12 last year. Don't worry about us.

Exactly. Why are they even bothering responding to this thread? We were 4-12 last year and are insignificant. Makes you wonder.

[pjfootballer]

There was a reason I entered with trepidation....you are validation.

:doh: :gus: :ols:

[penasquito]

Couldn't agree more :yes:
I see what you did there.

You left off the Jets, of course, the actual off-season champions. I was just looking for a take to show myself in the thread. :)

Good luck Sunday, Cali, etc. We're sure to have plenty to talk about on Monday.
:cheers:
or maybe its more like...
:box:

[RichmondRedskin88]

I would do a signature bet if I thought the Cowpukes wouldn't run like hell when they loss.

[ConnSKINS26]

My prediction is slowly coming true....Love it.


Can't wait to see the responses to this thread leading up to the game....I fully expect it to be closed in a couple of days with how riled up Puke fans get....and I guarantee its a couple of noobs Boy's "fans" who cause it.


And once this thread is inevitably linked to on CZ and various other ****ty Puke forums, the number of brand spanking new members in this thread pumping up the Cowboys will skyrocket.

[Califan007]

I see what you did there.

You left off the Jets, of course, the actual off-season champions. I was just looking for a take to show myself in the thread. :)

Good luck Sunday, Cali, etc. We're sure to have plenty to talk about on Monday.
:cheers:
or maybe its more like...
:box:

Here's hoping for no injuries and a classic NFC East brawler :cheers:...and of course a Redskins' victory. ;)

[Califan007]

There was a reason I entered with trepidation....you are validation.

Yeah, I know...logic scares the ever living **** out of you. :yes:

[bbailey423]

Yeah, I know...logic scares the ever living **** out of you. :yes:

you have not used logic. you are talking in circles trying to convince yourself into believing the Cowboys should be scared of the Redskins. It is one game on the schedule. Of course I want to win...but there are 15 games left. Redskins treat this as there Super Bowl...mainly because that is the biggest game they play due to overall ineptitude latley. The Cowboys do not. We have been in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years. Wade (who I am not a big fan of) has averaged 11-5 since he took over the head coaching job. Romo has won 70% of his games as a starting NFL QB. Romo is 11-0 in night games. Those FACTS do not point to the Cowboys being scared of the Redskins. Clearly 11-0 means he gets up for big games. Winning 70% means he wins far more than he loses. Scared, why? Will it be tough...these battles always are! But, scared? What FACTS sugggest we would LOGICALLY (your word, not mine) be scared?

[Califan007]

you have not used logic. you are talking in circles trying to convince yourself into believing the Cowboys should be scared of the Redskins. It is one game on the schedule. Of course I want to win...but there are 15 games left. Redskins treat this as there Super Bowl...mainly because that blah blah blah...

Take a front row seat in Logic 101:

A) tr1 mentions how the individual units and players on the Cowboys were under-performing in the preseason, and hinted that those same individual struggles may carry over into the regular season. He mentioned nothing whatsoever about preseason records.

B) You mentioned preseason records of teams not always being an indicator of regular season records for those same teams. You mentioned nothing whatsoever about individual units and players production in the preseason.

You then went on to claim A=B. You went even further and claimed anyone who said A did not = B was not using logic.

Class dismissed.

[pjfootballer]

Take a front row seat in Logic 101:

A) tr1 mentions how the individual units and players on the Cowboys were under-performing in the preseason, and hinted that those same individual struggles may carry over into the regular season. He mentioned nothing whatsoever about preseason records.

B) You mentioned preseason records of teams not always being an indicator of regular season records for those same teams. You mentioned nothing whatsoever about individual units and players production in the preseason.

You then went on to claim A=B. You went even further and claimed anyone who said A did not = B was not using logic.

Class dismissed.

Here Califan. This is what I said to him earlier. Like Gus hitting his head against a brick wall.


:doh: :gus: :ols:

[Titaw]

LOL, it cracks me up. . . Mcnabb has done this, Mcnabb has done that. the fact still remains Mcnabb has done NOTHING with the Skins. lol, thats like that commercial on the radio. .. "NOW HE'S ON OUR SIDE" hahah, and 4 or 5 reciever sets? are you F-ing kidding me, you dont have 4 or 5 recievers that can even do anything, lol. And you keep bolstering that we have the weakest oline, and we cant run with that oline. Your O-line has not done anything yet to show that they are any better, and I suppose the Portis and LJ are better to have than MBIII and Felix? No one is scared, I'm excited for this game to shut all these skins fans up, its going to be back to OMG OMG OMG what are we gonna do. The whole Skins team and their fans are so hyped up like every year with "changes" and how we are doing good in practice and then. . . FLOP. Stop lying to yourselves, you should be worried about how your team will perform b4 u makes statements that cowboys fans are scared.

I would agree with you to a point, until you made the bolded statement. Please answer this question, WTF did you expect coming to the OFFICIAL MESSAGE BOARD OF THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS?

Did you expect us to continue the media bj on the Pukes?
Did you expect us to feed you delusional predictions about your team?

The bottom line is simple, the Cowboys were EXPECTED to look like Superbowl favorites and in 5 preseason (yes, I know it's preseason) games they have looked ATROCIOUS! The Skins have given us a reason to believe in our team. The first team was able to move the ball on two of the best defenses in the league and one of those games we were without our starting QB, but hey the media continues to kill us and love you guys so far be it for me to get in your way.

Please, when the Skins expose the Pukes for what they are, PLEASE come back here take your licks like a man.

[Ken]

[QUOTE]Take a front row seat in Logic 101:

A) tr1 mentions how the individual units and players on the Cowboys were under-performing in the preseason, and hinted that those same individual struggles may carry over into the regular season. He mentioned nothing whatsoever about preseason records.
When has preseason been a good indicator for future regular season results?

Case in Point: Last year Chris Johnson.....

23 carries 77 yards 0 Tds and 3.08 ypc in preseason (5 games)

Regular Season

2006 yards, 5.6 ypc and 14 tds.

Do you understand why no one is worried here about carry over? I would rather focus on recent regular season history and turnover, or lack there of.


B) You mentioned preseason records of teams not always being an indicator of regular season records for those same teams. You mentioned nothing whatsoever about individual units and players production in the preseason.
See above and there are a bunch of other examples....


You then went on to claim A=B. You went even further and claimed anyone who said A did not = B was not using logic.

Class dismissed.

So you agree that preseason performance is indicative of future regular season results? Seriously?

[dallasfan]

If Albert Haynesworth gets traded or is largely unused, I expect Felix Jones to have a coming out party (can't wait to see A.Carter or L.Alexander try to cover him in the flat)

[bbailey423]

Take a front row seat in Logic 101:

A) tr1 mentions how the individual units and players on the Cowboys were under-performing in the preseason, and hinted that those same individual struggles may carry over into the regular season. He mentioned nothing whatsoever about preseason records.

B) You mentioned preseason records of teams not always being an indicator of regular season records for those same teams. You mentioned nothing whatsoever about individual units and players production in the preseason.

You then went on to claim A=B. You went even further and claimed anyone who said A did not = B was not using logic.

Class dismissed.

Class dismissed? That is funny. Really funny! OK, you win. Individual players and units on our team did not perform well in the pre-season...so that means we might as well skip...aw never mind. This is pointless. We will play our schedule....you plays yours...add them up at the end and go from there. No amount of back and forth with you will change the inevitable!

[bbailey423]

[QUOTE=Califan007;7764547]
When has preseason been a good indicator for future regular season results?

Case in Point: Last year Chris Johnson.....

23 carries 77 yards 0 Tds and 3.08 ypc in preseason (5 games)

Regular Season

2006 yards, 5.6 ypc and 14 tds.

Do you understand why no one is worried here about carry over? I would rather focus on recent regular season history and turnover, or lack there of.


See above and there are a bunch of other examples....


So you agree that preseason performance is indicative of future regular season results? Seriously?

When you are coming off 4-12....it is much more comforting to reference pre-season...if individual units and individual players played well. And I guess it does not matter if these units/players are 1st, 2nd or 3rd string.

I will never forget when Parcells took over in Dallas. We were coming off 3 straight 5-11s. The Dave Campo era was a disaster. I remained hopeful he would turn it around, but I was not NEARLY as confident as some around here. And Dallas is a franchise where only ONE head coach in the HISTORY of the organization never made the playoffs...Dave Campo! But I knew Parcells had a big task ahead of him and thankfully he QUICKLY got the arrow pointing upward. As Redskins fans, sounds like you've done even better than that. Sounds like Shanahann will wave his magic wand and Norv, Pepper, Robeskie, Marty, Spurrier, Zorn...will magically disappear.

[Califan007]

When has preseason been a good indicator for future regular season results?
Numerous times :yes:...not every single time, of course, but let's not act like no teams in the history of the NFL ever reflected their preseason production in the regular season in some way.



Do you understand why no one is worried here about carry over? I would rather focus on recent regular season history and turnover, or lack there of.
That's fine :) :ols:...Nobody's keeping you from doing so.



So you agree that preseason performance is indicative of future regular season results? Seriously?
I agree that BB completely avoided tr1's claims by focusing solely on the preseason records as his retort, yes. :yes:


By the way, Ken, can you PLEASE learn how to use the quote function correctly? lol :ols:...half of your posts have the quotes all ****ed up.

[Califan007]

Class dismissed? That is funny. Really funny! OK, you win. Individual players and units on our team did not perform well in the pre-season...so that means we might as well skip...aw never mind. This is pointless. We will play our schedule....you plays yours...add them up at the end and go from there. No amount of back and forth with you will change the inevitable!
Thank you, Captain Obvious :thumbsup:

And funny, but the only point I brought up in our "back and forth" was that you interpreted tr1's post as being about nothing more than preseason records...I made no mention of how the Cowboys will do or how the Skins will do. I made no mention of whether or not the preseason production, preseason records, or preseason anything should be considered an indicator for the upcoming season.




When you are coming off 4-12....it is much more comforting to reference pre-season...if individual units and individual players played well. And I guess it does not matter if these units/players are 1st, 2nd or 3rd string.
And if your current team has been looking putrid, is close to getting your starting QB killed, hasn't been able to run the ball, and is having to face a list of injuries that threaten to make the season start off even slower than it normally might, it's much more comforting to reference a 4-game winning streak from last December instead...and completely ignore the embarrassing beat-down the team experienced in its last "real" game.

See? Incredibly easy to come up with responses like yours lol :yes:...

[bbailey423]

Thank you, Captain Obvious :thumbsup:

And funny, but the only point I brought up in our "back and forth" was that you interpreted tr1's post as being about nothing more than preseason records...I made no mention of how the Cowboys will do or how the Skins will do. I made no mention of whether or not the preseason production, preseason records, or preseason anything should be considered an indicator for the upcoming season.


And if your current team has been looking putrid, is close to getting your starting QB killed, hasn't been able to run the ball, and is having to face a list of injuries that threaten to make the season start off even slower than it normally might, it's much more comforting to reference a 4-game winning streak from last December instead...and completely ignore the embarrassing beat-down the team experienced in its last "real" game.

See? Incredibly easy to come up with responses like yours lol :yes:...

Wade is 33-15 in 3 seasons. I can really reference anything and find success. I believe he is 9-2 in the month of September...so I think that indicates he can prepare a team for the start of a season. His record in December his first 2 years is not good. His record in December last year is good. But at the end of the day....Dallas has been in contention for his entire tenure...so I personally cannot argue with what he has done. He has not won the Super Bowl...but only 3 teams can make that claim. This thread is about Dallas being scared...and you have YET to show me ANYTHING about why Dallas would be scared of the Redskins. NOTHING!!!!!

[Ken]

Numerous times :yes:...not every single time, of course, but let's not act like no teams in the history of the NFL ever reflected their preseason production in the regular season in some way.
Well, let's hear some.....I gave you at least one and I am VERY surprised that a Redskins fan would EVER point to anything preseason after the Ol' ball Coach....no? I mean, Redskins fans around these parts were ecstatic and saying how their offense was unstoppable that preseason. Not even focusing on the record but the running up of the scores and whatnot. Has there ever been a more emphatic underscore of why preseason just does not matter? If there is one bigger, please let me know.



I agree that BB completely avoided tr1's claims by focusing solely on the preseason records as his retort, yes. :yes:
Again, I reiterate another famous case that I just listed as to how useless judging preseason can be. You keep focusing on the negative like the Cowboys forgot how to move the ball and stop any one on defense.


By the way, Ken, can you PLEASE learn how to use the quote function correctly? lol :ols:...half of your posts have the quotes all ****ed up.

The one thing you are right about....how's that? :D

[Monte51Coleman]

Owusu-Anwah is the 4th CB

Bless you.

[tr1]

Dallas has been in contention for his entire tenure...

See 2008. :doh:

You see, this is the drivel that puke fans make up...and all of a sudden, facts don't become important. Therefore, having any rational discussion is a waste of time with puke fans.

[tr1]

Do you put any stock into the preseason games? Are they an indicator at all of how a team will do in the regular season?

Well, I think with the preseason, you do put stock in it, especially from the standpoint of evaluation and from the standpoint of repetition. Football is repetition and so we did get a lot of repetition; we stayed with the basics but we weren’t doing just basics on the practice field, we were doing a lot of the things that we’ll be doing against Washington and other teams. But, as far as five games are concerned, I’ve said this before, we’ve played five games in preseason before and had Super Bowl winning season. And we’ve played four games in preseason and not won Super Bowls, so I don’t think that has a bearing.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/090810dnspojjonesinterview.d0607baf.html

So, Kenny, just keep pooh-poohing the individual battles lost by your players on the o-line...and the inability of the first unit to score when in the red zone.

:rotflmao:

[fsunoles0021]

See 2008. :doh:

You see, this is the drivel that puke fans make up...and all of a sudden, facts don't become important. Therefore, having any rational discussion is a waste of time with puke fans.

Huh? The Cowboys were in a "win and in" situation in Week 17. How is that not contention?

[SkinsHomer]

I love this thread so much.

:dallasuck

[pjfootballer]

If Albert Haynesworth gets traded or is largely unused, I expect Felix Jones to have a coming out party (can't wait to see A.Carter or L.Alexander try to cover him in the flat)

What exactly does Haynesworth leaving have to do with out LB's covering a back out of the backfield? Now if you had said he'll be able to run up the gut on us, it would have been the proper thing to say.

[Califan007]

Well, let's hear some.....I gave you at least one and I am VERY surprised that a Redskins fan would EVER point to anything preseason after the Ol' ball Coach....no? I mean, Redskins fans around these parts were ecstatic and saying how their offense was unstoppable that preseason. Not even focusing on the record but the running up of the scores and whatnot. Has there ever been a more emphatic underscore of why preseason just does not matter? If there is one bigger, please let me know.
Howzabout a more recent one: Skins preseason in 2006. We just came off a 10-6 season, one in which we won our last 5 games of the regular season with our offense really clicking (remember the 35-7 beatdown of the Cowboys, Ken?), a wildcard win and advancing to the divisional round. Then, the next preseason, we looked putrid on offense. That same offense ended up looking putrid more often than not once the regular season came around.

Hmm...sounds slightly familiar, doesn't it...a team on a hot streak at the end of the previous season, first playoff win in what feels like forever, losing in the divisional round...then having the offense look like crap in the preseason the next year, and carry over into the regular season. I swear that sounds familiar...

And I gotta ask seriously...do you REALLY think nothing, from any preseason of any of the 32 NFL teams, has EVER carried over into the regular season? lol...Really, Ken? :ols:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Califan...don't forget the 2001 Redskins also. They looked pitiful in the preseason and equally pitiful for about 6 weeks in the regular season.

[mossomo]

do you prattle on and on about how the Cowboys and their fans suck

Wouldn't that be redundant? Thought that was a given.

[tr1]

Well, well, well...it's Thursday, and the influx of new puke fans is minimal...and the posts from the old gang is trailing off.

I guess puke fan nation is starting to realize the season and Sunday night could be a disaster!

For those not keeping score, Kosier and Colombo are out. On defense, the middle of the pukes' secondary is new and thin. Brooking is coming off an injury.

Oh, and then here's the topper from Wade:


"It gives me a lot of confidence in those two guys," coach Wade Phillips said of the reserve linemen's experience. "Holland and Barron both have started and played and played well in a lot of games. That gives us confidence. And they've worked well in our system and worked hard. I don't think it's going to be perfect for them, but we have confidence that they'll do a good job for us."

[ArmchairRedskin]

Wade is precious, isn't he?

[DCranon21]

So they are starting Barron and some other guard who was inactive for 16 games last season. If Romo comes out alive, I'd be surprised.

[penasquito]

So... Redskins by 20, at least, right?

[ArmchairRedskin]

Who knows what the score will be, Mr. Snarky, but your oline is in bad shape and that makes Romo vulnerable, wouldnt you agree?

[Shining Star]

Right, cause we're not all here reading this.

You do realize your team is probably the most hated of any NFL team in the league, right? The only time I've ever heard someone talk about "hating" a team other than their team's rival, it's most often the Cowboys.

You're right. It's called jealousy.


:rotflmao:

Well come on, fellas. Do you really think your team is SB bound? I'm sure those two replacement/failures on the o-line are Pro-Bowl material. They definitely showed it in the preseason.

Did the first unit actually rush for any first down? I don't recall. :ols:

Did the first unit finish any drives for a TD? (and please, don't include that TD that resulted because of a fumble...a fumble that should it not have happened, would have resulted in your first unit scoring ZERO points in the preseason.)

Your secondary, as usual, is suspect. Neither of your corners are shutdown guys. And, the safties are a huge question mark.

Oh, and what a way to end last season....that Minny team humiliated you after you beat up on a injury-filled Philly team to win your only playoff game in over a decade.

Awesome!

Be afraid.

Yes, what a terrible way for us to end the season last year. In the playoffs. I'd much rather have ended it with a 4-12 record.


I was on the Sandia Tram over the weekend...and there were two separate parties decked out in puke gear! I was in Texas for about three weeks before that, and didn't see anyone with puke gear on.

It's the dam-edest thing! :ols:

BTW, I always tell the gear wearers to watch out for the Skins. Many don't even realize there's a rivalry...too casual to care.

Some say, "oh, this...it's all that was clean." :ols:

Very juvenile. Do you even think the Redskin fans on here believe a small fraction of what you post?


Alan Ball's name will be called a lot on Sunday night.

You really think he's gonna have a lot of interceptions? Those dirtballs McNabb throws are hard to catch, even for a good cover guy.

[Kindred]

Yes, what a terrible way for us to end the season last year. In the playoffs. I'd much rather have ended it with a 4-12 record.

No worries, you'll get your wish this year :) You can even look forward to drafting a new lineman with that top 10 pick of yours.

[Shining Star]

Well, well, well...it's Thursday, and the influx of new puke fans is minimal...and the posts from the old gang is trailing off.

I guess puke fan nation is starting to realize the season and Sunday night could be a disaster!

For those not keeping score, Kosier and Colombo are out. On defense, the middle of the pukes' secondary is new and thin. Brooking is coming off an injury.

Oh, and then here's the topper from Wade:

What will your excuse be after Sunday night? You'd better be getting one ready cause I know you'll have one.

[Reic]

You're right. It's called jealousy.

Highly doubt its jealousy. I mean, I hate olives, and its not because i'm jealous of how they taste.

[Ken]

Anyone else notice missing posts? I responded, rather eloquently I might add, to one of Cali's posts around the same time that the site went down, and not it is no where to be found! I can't even find Cali's post that I was responding to.

It was a LONG response too. Quite frustrating, and you can't search past today either.

[SWFLSkins]

Anyone else notice missing posts? I responded, rather eloquently I might add, to one of Cali's posts around the same time that the site went down, and not it is no where to be found! I can't even find Cali's post that I was responding to.

It was a LONG response too. Quite frustrating, and you can't search past today either.

I think that was just the way it had to happen. The timing was somewhat curious to me, why was this done within the week of season opening? But the changes look cool and I can live with that.

[SWFLSkins]

What will your excuse be after Sunday night? You'd better be getting one ready cause I know you'll have one.

My feeling on you is this, IF the Cowboys win you say something that will get you banned likely, and if the Boys lose you'll disappear the same way you appeared, either way you are most likely to be NFL.

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, we Cowboy fans are affraid, is that it?

I don't think that's the case. I think that nobody likes the idea of having Holland and Barron starting in place of Colombo and Kozier but, we do feel pretty good about our defense and how they will match up against your OL. We'll show up and just see what happens.

[ArmchairRedskin]

As super awesome as your defense matches up with our supremely over matched OL, I think our D may just match up a smidge better against your second stringers. I may be totally alone in that opinion. Call me crazy

[ABQCOWBOY]

As super awesome as your defense matches up with our supremely over matched OL, I think our D may just match up a smidge better against your second stringers. I may be totally alone in that opinion. Call me crazy

It's possible. Well see how it all works out. As they say, that's why you play the games.

[Shining Star]

My feeling on you is this, IF the Cowboys win you say something that will get you banned likely, and if the Boys lose you'll disappear the same way you appeared, either way you are most likely to be NFL.

No. If we lose, I'll be here to congratulate. Face it, we do not have the least bit of influence on the outcome of the game, or of any games. We all like to brag on our teams, but in the end, whether Dallas wins or loses, it'll be beyond my control. I'll be happy with a win and pissed with a loss, but in the end I cannot affect the outcome. So, I'll be here one way or another.

[penasquito]

Who knows what the score will be, Mr. Snarky, but your oline is in bad shape and that makes Romo vulnerable, wouldnt you agree?
Can I change my username?

Yes, I would agree. Garrett is going to have to give Barron some help, and I wouldn't count on the running game too much.

[fsunoles0021]

The trash talk is getting so old. Can't it just be Sunday night already so we can settle this?

I just don't recall a time where a team's fans coming off a 4-12 season were this confident that they're going to beat a team coming off an 11-5 season in which they were division champs and won a lopsided playoff game. It just seems odd but we'll find out soon enough.

[terrifNick21]

The trash talk is getting so old. Can't it just be Sunday night already so we can settle this?

I just don't recall a time where a team's fans coming off a 4-12 season were this confident that they're going to beat a team coming off an 11-5 season in which they were division champs and won a lopsided playoff game. It just seems odd but we'll find out soon enough.


OMFG!

DUDE, last year means N-O-T-H-I-N-G!

If you have trouble with that, here you go:

nothing- one of no interest, value, or consequence.

Does that make it any easier for you to realize that this isn't the same 4-12 team? Good God.

[bbailey423]

does anyone recall Dallas coming off 3 straight 5-11 seasons? Does anyone recall Dallas hiring Bill Parcells? Now to the biggest question. Does anyone recall Dallas and/or it's fan's start huffing and puffing and threatening to blow the doors off the rest of the NFL? As visitors we get that we enter at our own risk....but is there any intelligent life amongst us? The Redskins will clearly be better than last year. Dallas is still very talented and has averaged 11 wins over the last 3 seasons. With that as the backdrop....why is the word "scared" being tossed around? You can always throw the records out the window when these 2 teams play. See you Sunday night!

[fsunoles0021]

OMFG!

DUDE, last year means N-O-T-H-I-N-G!

If you have trouble with that, here you go:

nothing- one of no interest, value, or consequence.

Does that make it any easier for you to realize that this isn't the same 4-12 team? Good God.

That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.

[12_16_1979]

Let's see - the Redskins have a new awesome coach who in the last 3 years he coached won 50% of the time, and that was with better and younger talent than he has now in Washington. The Redskins have a coach that has done nothing since his blocking scheme was ruled illegal by the NFL!
I am just trembling with fear, because Shanahan might take an awesomely talented team to a 16-0 record! NOT!

[ArmchairRedskin]

That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.


Eff that. Miami went from 1-15 to winning their division over the Patriots. This is the NFL. Teams turn it around every single year. Why would we contain our enthusiasm when we're facing a team that averaged 12 points against us last year and we corrected our two biggest weaknesses being Oline and QB play? Your Oline is in shambles and your run game is suspect. I think we can score more than 12 points to beat you.

Besides, we'll be playing 11 against 10 when your offense takes the field so we clearly have the advantage there :ols:

[doncherry]

Eff that. Miami went from 1-15 to winning their division over the Patriots. This is the NFL. Teams turn it around every single year. Why would we contain our enthusiasm when we're facing a team that averaged 12 points against us last year and we corrected our two biggest weaknesses being Oline and QB play? Your Oline is in shambles and your run game is suspect. I think we can score more than 12 points to beat you.

Besides, we'll be playing 11 against 10 when your offense takes the field so we clearly have the advantage there :ols:

+1

[tr1]

Puke fans are doing a lot of whistling in the dark...:ols:

You have THREE new starters on that o-line Sunday night. Three guys who've not impressed during the preseason. Forget pass protection, your three running backs failed to produce during the preseason, as well. Witten's role will be reduced simply because he'll be needed to block. And, it'll be difficult to pass to Austin for long gains because Romo just won't have the time.

Our quarterback position has improved. Our o-line has improved. Our running backs are better than last year. Our tight ends are healthy. With the exception of DL, our entire defense has improved.

Oh, and your defensive first unit during the preseason looked very, very ordinary.

Be afraid.

[Hitman21ST]

That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.

You're right. 23 new players, including the QB, 2 RBs, all but 2 WRs, 3 OL, 2/3 of the DL, and CB, along with a new Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, and Defensive Coordinator is mostly the same. What were we thinking.

And you're not coming off of a lopsided playoff win. You're coming off of a lopsided playoff LOSS. Or have you forgotten the Vikings game?

[onedrop]

That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.

uhhhh, lets see.....new gm, new head coach, new OC, new DC, new qb, new back up qb's, new offensive lineman, new defensive lineman, new WR's, new back up RB's, new returners (potentially). new trainers, coaches (except for Danny Smith) but yeah were pretty much the same team as last year.

[fsunoles0021]

Too many posts to respond to, but they all contain preseason assumptions. Like I said, the talk is old. I just can't wait until Sunday.

[Tweedr01]

The puke fan stupidity is getting out of control, too bad none of em will show up after sunday...heck I expect them to logout at halftime never to be seen again....until they win a game and ESPN crowns them kings once again....stupid bandwagon fans and their wagons...

[ArmchairRedskin]

Isn't everything an assumption at this point?

[fsunoles0021]

The puke fan stupidity is getting out of control, too bad none of em will show up after sunday...heck I expect them to logout at halftime never to be seen again....until they win a game and ESPN crowns them kings once again....stupid bandwagon fans and their wagons...

I've been here since the start of 2008. Why would I randomly leave now? And I assure you, I'm very far from a bandwagon fan. Come on, that's just a weak insult.

[fsunoles0021]

Isn't everything an assumption at this point?

Absolutely. That's why I'm sick of going on assumptions, it's time to actually play some meaningful football.

[SWFLSkins]

That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.

Roster is hardly the same. OL has been upgraded, you can't argue that. Cooley he one of the best TE's in the game and teams prepare for him. That changes everything.

There is no boasting on this end. Cowboy fans talk about Dez Bryant being unleashed, your about to see an entire team be unleashed. This is not Jim Zorn's Redskins.



So which are you?

"Any Cowboys fan that thinks the Redskins game is just another game is either very young or very stupid."

-Anonymous veteran Dallas fan

[fsunoles0021]

Roster is hardly the same. OL has been upgraded, you can't argue that. Cooley he one of the best TE's in the game and teams prepare for him. That changes everything.

There is no boasting on this end. Cowboy fans talk about Dez Bryant being unleashed, your about to see an entire team be unleashed. This is not Jim Zorn's Redskins.



So which are you?

"Any Cowboys fan that thinks the Redskins game is just another game is either very young or very stupid."

-Anonymous veteran Dallas fan

I never said the roster is the same. I was responding to someone saying "last year means absolutely nothing. ZERO." I don't agree. I think if you've got even 1 similar player, then last year has something to do with it.

[SWFLSkins]

Too many posts to respond to, but they all contain preseason assumptions. Like I said, the talk is old. I just can't wait until Sunday.

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[Tweedr01]

lighten up francis, geez, can't joke around with anybody can you?

[onedrop]

I never said the roster is the same. I was responding to someone saying "last year means absolutely nothing. ZERO." I don't agree. I think if you've got even 1 similar player, then last year has something to do with it.

are you really going to freaking lie like that? post # 109, YOU....."your roster is mostly the same".

unlike the people you are used to dealing with the average Skins fan isnt that stupid or gullible.

[Tweedr01]

I never said the roster is the same. I was responding to someone saying "last year means absolutely nothing. ZERO." I don't agree. I think if you've got even 1 similar player, then last year has something to do with it.

lol....uh no...miami dolphins come to mind....wasn't more than half that team the same after tony sparano and parcells took over? how did that turn out? oh yeah....lol....they won the division stoopid! lol (the last lol is to show you that I am joking with you so you don't have to take it seriously ok)

[SWFLSkins]

That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.


Too many posts to respond to, but they all contain preseason assumptions. Like I said, the talk is old. I just can't wait until Sunday.


Absolutely. That's why I'm sick of going on assumptions, it's time to actually play some meaningful football.


I never said the roster is the same. I was responding to someone saying "last year means absolutely nothing. ZERO." I don't agree. I think if you've got even 1 similar player, then last year has something to do with it.


Hold on Willis, what you talkin bout?

Last year means something, Jim Zorn can't coach. The OL needed new players. Jason Campbell is a mediocre QB who like anyother QB needs a line, even Romo needs this. You assume much grasshopper, but the one thing that any bright student of the NFL would not is this....Shannahan >>> Wade, and Shannahan >>> Garrett. If you guys win the first game so be it, but the Redskins are heading the right direction, can the Cowboys say the same?

[fsunoles0021]

are you really going to freaking lie like that? post # 109, YOU....."your roster is mostly the same".

unlike the people you are used to dealing with the average Skins fan isnt that stupid or gullible.


Right. I didn't say the roster is THE SAME. Most would mean more than half. Most of the Skins roster is the same. And if even 1 player is the same, then last year has something to do with this year. That's the only point I was making.

[fsunoles0021]

lol....uh no...miami dolphins come to mind....wasn't more than half that team the same after tony sparano and parcells took over? how did that turn out? oh yeah....lol....they won the division stoopid! lol (the last lol is to show you that I am joking with you so you don't have to take it seriously ok)

When did I say the Skins have no chance to win the division?

[Tweedr01]

are you really going to freaking lie like that? post # 109, YOU....."your roster is mostly the same".

unlike the people you are used to dealing with the average Skins fan isnt that stupid or gullible.

don't call him a liar, he will cry, did you see how mad he got at my last post?

[Tweedr01]

When did I say the Skins have no chance to win the division?

I didn't say you didn't, I was just pointing out that last year has nothing to do with this year...and one player does not mean last year is the same as this year at all. Why don't you ask Ronnie Brown?

[fsunoles0021]

I didn't say you didn't, I was just pointing out that last year has nothing to do with this year...and one player does not mean last year is the same as this year at all. Why don't you ask Ronnie Brown?

I didn't say 1 player means it's the same as last year. That would really dumb. Come on simple reasoning here.

I said 1 player means last year was not COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Last year is relevant to this year. How relevant cannot be answered until at least Sunday night.

[onedrop]

Right. I didn't say the roster is THE SAME. Most would mean more than half. Most of the Skins roster is the same. And if even 1 player is the same, then last year has something to do with this year. That's the only point I was making.

your argument is self defeating. you said it and then tried to deny saying it because you got flustered. now you are playing semantics. dont digress into being a troll, admit your mistake and move on.

[terrifNick21]

Right. I didn't say the roster is THE SAME. Most would mean more than half. Most of the Skins roster is the same. And if even 1 player is the same, then last year has something to do with this year. That's the only point I was making.

Half, right?

Let's see. 23 new players. 45 on active roster.

23 doubled is 46.

46>45

Over half the roster is new.

[Tweedr01]

your argument is self defeating. you said it and then tried to deny saying it because you got flustered. now you are playing semantics. dont digress into being a troll, admit your mistake and move on.

Wait wait, I have an awesome jpg I like to post when they argue semantics, let him continue:

http://202semantics.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/semantic-dino2.png?w=460&h=311

[Tweedr01]

Half, right?

Let's see. 23 new players. 45 on active roster.

23 doubled is 46.

46>45

Over half the roster is new.

that's just wrong...you can't sit there and use math, they don't teach that in TX....but he's probably from Oregon...I don't think they teach math there either

[Riggo#44]

Hold on Willis, what you talkin bout?

Last year means something, Jim Zorn can't coach. The OL needed new players. Jason Campbell is a mediocre QB who like anyother QB needs a line, even Romo needs this. You assume much grasshopper, but the one thing that any bright student of the NFL would not is this....Shannahan >>> Wade, and Shannahan >>> Garrett. If you guys win the first game so be it, but the Redskins are heading the right direction, can the Cowboys say the same?

Damn you beat me to it...I really wanted to get a good kick in on this beatdown, so I'll just sit back and enjoy fsunoles spin around and around making idiotic statement after idiotic statement and then back track faster than Marion Barry after a coke binge...

[fsunoles0021]

Half, right?

Let's see. 23 new players. 45 on active roster.

23 doubled is 46.

46>45

Over half the roster is new.

Oh come on. Using the active roster hahaha. Please. 23 is less than half of 53. Come on sir, lame attempt.

[fsunoles0021]

And for the record, I completely stick by my statement 100%.

[Riggo#44]

Oh come on. Using the active roster hahaha. Please. 23 is less than half of 53. Come on sir, lame attempt.

You forgot the practice squad!:doh:

[SWFLSkins]

Too many posts to respond to, but they all contain preseason assumptions. Like I said, the talk is old. I just can't wait until Sunday.

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[Tweedr01]

lol, you would!

[SWFLSkins]

Oh come on. Using the active roster hahaha. Please. 23 is less than half of 53. Come on sir, lame attempt.


YOu know active roster, like Kosier and Columbo, oh wait.

[onedrop]

And for the record, I completely stick by my statement 100%.

great, you are still what i like to call.....wrong.

[dallasfan]

Half, right?

Let's see. 23 new players. 45 on active roster.

23 doubled is 46.

46>45

Over half the roster is new.

why would you use the active roster not the 53 man roster? Are all 23 new faces going to be gameday actives? Doubt it. You could've easily made the same point by saying 23 new players is about 44% of the team (FWIW there are only 7 new starters out of the 22 on O and D, which is less than 1/3)

[SWFLSkins]

And for the record, I completely stick by my statement 100%.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c46/lewis4now/Icons/whocares2.jpg

[fsunoles0021]

This argument went down the tubes when the active roster number was used. That is semantics at it's finest my friends! haha It was a good laugh though.

[terrifNick21]

Ummm.

If I'm not mistaking, only 45 are used on game days.

So why add in players that won't play?

Makes a ton of sense. :doh:

[SWFLSkins]

why would you use the active roster not the 53 man roster? Are all 23 new faces going to be gameday actives? Doubt it. You could've easily made the same point by saying 23 new players is about 44% of the team (FWIW there are only 7 new starters out of the 22 on O and D, which is less than 1/3)

You actually have a point of discussion and every team has similar turnover, but to say that facing the Redskins of '10 is the same as facing the team of '09 is wishful thinking. YOu seem like a person capable of that distinction, or I am assuming you are. FSU wishes the Cowboys would be opening up against last years squad. Sadly for him that is not the case. This thread was started because of concerns Cowboy fans (real football cowboy fans) are showing concern over the production and the OL. FSU has derailed it to polish his pedastal and make himself feel better about the Cowboys woes. And there is no proof that there are woes, nor that the Redskins will be dominate on Sunday night. But facts are facts, and this is not Jim Zorn's Redskins, so let the games begin.

[fsunoles0021]

Ummm.

If I'm not mistaking, only 45 are used on game days.

So why add in players that won't play?

Makes a ton of sense. :doh:

Because I said more than half the roster is the same, not more than half the active roster is the same. That's why.

And I highly doubt that all 23 of those players are guarantees to be on the active roster.

[fsunoles0021]

You actually have a point of discussion and every team has similar turnover, but to say that facing the Redskins of '10 is the same as facing the team of '09 is wishful thinking. YOu seem like a person capable of that distinction, or I am assuming you are. FSU wishes the Cowboys would be opening up against last years squad. Sadly for him that is not the case. This thread was started because of concerns Cowboy fans (real football cowboy fans) are showing concern over the production and the OL. FSU has derailed it to polish his pedastal and make himself feel better about the Cowboys woes. And there is no proof that there are woes, nor that the Redskins will be dominate on Sunday night. But facts are facts, and this is not Jim Zorn's Redskins, so let the games begin.

IF that's the impression I made, then that's my fault for not getting my point across. The ONLY thing I'm arguing is when a poster claimed that last year means ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING towards this year. I simply disagreed with that.

[SWFLSkins]

This argument went down the tubes when the active roster number was used. That is semantics at it's finest my friends! haha It was a good laugh though.

spell check yay.
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[fsunoles0021]

Weak attempt at changing the subject.

[SWFLSkins]

Hold on Willis, what you talkin bout?

Last year means something, Jim Zorn can't coach. The OL needed new players. Jason Campbell is a mediocre QB who like anyother QB needs a line, even Romo needs this. You assume much grasshopper, but the one thing that any bright student of the NFL would not is this....Shannahan >>> Wade, and Shannahan >>> Garrett. If you guys win the first game so be it, but the Redskins are heading the right direction, can the Cowboys say the same?

I stand by my statement, I stand on top of it, underneath of it and everywhere in between it. Sadly after reading Wade's quotes he puts no value (as you do) in last year, I wished he did.

[fsunoles0021]

This thread is an endless hijack. We can revisit it Sunday night though. At least then, win or lose, we will have something concrete to talk about.

[SWFLSkins]

Weak attempt at changing the subject.

The subject was the Cowboys woes on the OL and lack of production in pre-season and the fear in the hearts of Cowboy fans, try to keep up.

[SWFLSkins]

This thread is an endless hijack. We can revisit it Sunday night though. At least then, win or lose, we will have something concrete to talk about.

IE- The frys are up.http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s227/my8poundoreckxl/Campworkingthereandhouses031.jpg

[Califan007]

This argument went down the tubes when the active roster number was used. That is semantics at it's finest my friends! haha It was a good laugh though.

LOL!! :rotflmao:

This thread went downhill the moment you started flopping around trying to claim that even one player still being on the team from last year proves your point. Only THE most homerific of Cowboys fans would dare claim that the massive changes to the roster, coaching staff and front office of the Redskins should be trumped by the relatively small number of returning players to the squad.

[fsunoles0021]

LOL!! :rotflmao:

This thread went downhill the moment you started flopping around trying to claim that even one player still being on the team from last year proves your point. Only THE most homerific of Cowboys fans would dare claim that the massive changes to the roster, coaching staff and front office of the Redskins should be trumped by the relatively small number of returning players to the squad.

NEver said it should be trumped, simpyl said it should be taken into consideration. Wow.

[Tweedr01]

This thread is an endless hijack.

boo hoo, someone doesn't like that he's getting flamed for his turrible analysis, it's fine, you can take your ball and go home

and BTW, no lol's hahaha's or !'s, does that make it easier for you to read?

[SWFLSkins]

The trash talk is getting so old. Can't it just be Sunday night already so we can settle this?

I just don't recall a time where a team's fans coming off a 4-12 season were this confident that they're going to beat a team coming off an 11-5 season in which they were division champs and won a lopsided playoff game. It just seems odd but we'll find out soon enough.


Too many posts to respond to, but they all contain preseason assumptions. Like I said, the talk is old. I just can't wait until Sunday.


Absolutely. That's why I'm sick of going on assumptions, it's time to actually play some meaningful football.


This thread is an endless hijack. We can revisit it Sunday night though. At least then, win or lose, we will have something concrete to talk about.


The subject was the Cowboys woes on the OL and lack of production in pre-season and the fear in the hearts of Cowboy fans, try to keep up.

Maybe you should take your own advice and just come back Sunday night when the game is being played. Don't worry about the 4-12 Redskins (they are different) or the Cowboys OL (it is probably just as good)

[Tweedr01]

NEver said it should be trumped, simpyl said it should be taken into consideration. Wow.


That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season. I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by.

I would save my boasting at least until the Skins prove they can pull off at least 8 wins.

That's completely false, hahaha, lol! Hope you enjoyed those!!!!!!!!!

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see we are working up to game time nicely. All the better. I love Skinz week!

[Tweedr01]

I see we are working up to game time nicely. All the better. I love Skinz week!

See this is how you respond in a skins message board, he's not gonna get flamed because he didn't start up some crazy talk here

[SWFLSkins]

I see we are working up to game time nicely. All the better. I love Skinz week!

It's all good but that crap that FSU was spewing is not going to fly without notice. How do you see the game playing out? I really like the Skins chances if only because of the unknown, the home crowd and the Cowboys OL. I stll think that this game win or lose could be pivotal down the road. IF your team losses a game like this it might mean they gather themselves and recover early on. If they win they may get ahead of themselves. It is a great opener that is for sure.

[fsunoles0021]

That's completely false, hahaha, lol! Hope you enjoyed those!!!!!!!!!

Huh? Where in that post does it say that the new moves are trumped by having the majority of the roster the same?

[MisterPinstripe]

I see we are working up to game time nicely. All the better. I love Skinz week!

Prepare to watch your team get their asses handed to them. :pfft::pfft:

[Califan007]

NEver said it should be trumped, simpyl said it should be taken into consideration. Wow.

Oh no?

Redskins fan: "...this isn't the same 4-12 team..."

You: "That's completely false. Your roster is mostly the same. Last year would mean nothing only if the entire team was new. That's not the case. Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season."

Translation: "All the massive changes the Skins have made are trumped by the fact that they were 4-12 last year and still have players from that squad on the team."

If you had NOT said that last bolded part, you might have a point. But you decided to go beyond the semantics game of what "nothing" means, and take it all the way to making the claim that this IS still the same 4-12 team as last year "until proven otherwise":

You: "I didn't say this is a 4-12 team, but a team who is COMING OFF a 4-12 season. Until they prove they're better than that, there's nothing else to go by."

And this gets to the point being made by the other ES member: that you can NOT go off last year's record for THIS year's squad...there are just way too many significant and important changes for ANYONE being objective to do so. The only way you could possibly do otherwise is if you feel the relatively small number of returning players somehow trumps all of the massive changes that have been made, many of them in the most important areas of the team. Which was my point I just made.

And for the record, the only way the logic of your argument holds any water is if the players who DID return from last year's squad were apparently the main reason the Redskins went 4-12 last season lol :ols:...The idea that the 30 returning players are all talented and skilled enough to help lead a team to a winning record--in other words, that these players were NOT the problem last year--doesn't seem to be taken into consideration in your mind. Nope...all 53 players from 2009 were terrible and each played an equal part in last year's dismal record, to the point that keeping even ONE of them on this year's squad will have a negative effect on the team until it is "proven" otherwise.

[Califan007]

Huh? Where in that post does it say that the new moves are trumped by having the majority of the roster the same?

When you said this:


Until proven otherwise, this is a team COMING OFF a 4-12 season.

Translation: "Until proven otherwise", all the changes the Redskins have made are trumped in your eyes by the fact that the team is coming off a 4-12 record and have 56% of last year's roster return.

[Tweedr01]

I'm very happy he keeps replying, almost like with every reply the hole he digs gets deeper. I smell his fear, it smells like he crapped his pants.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see this as a very dangerous game for both teams. Obviously, OL is going to be key in this match-up. Both teams are basically betting the season on the play of the respective QBs. Both teams have excellent pass rushers. If either OL breaks down, I can see a QB getting hurt in this game and severely impacting the season. For that reason, I think both teams are going to try and establish the run. I think both teams will try and limit the number of passes in an attempt to protect the QB. I would be surprised if either team used a lot of 4 Receiver sets. Like almost every other game in the NFL, turnovers, field position and penalties are going to be decide the game. I think ST are going to be huge. If either kicker has a great game, that team has a very good chance of winning IMO. I don't see this as a wide open game.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Prepare to watch your team get their asses handed to them. :pfft::pfft:

I've seen a Super Bowl champion Redskin team get beaten by a one win Cowboy team. I've seen the reverse happen as well. I think I can safely say that the day will never come when either side is prepared to get an ass whoppen. It sometimes happens but you'll never hear anybody say that's what they expect or are preparing for. The day I see that is the day I'll probably stop watching football. What would be the point of it if your watch because your expecting your team to lose?

We'll show up and play the game. See what happens.

[Riggo#44]

I've seen a Super Bowl champion Redskin team get beaten by a one win Cowboy team. I've seen the reverse happen as well. I think I can safely say that the day will never come when either side is prepared to get an ass whoppen. It sometimes happens but you'll never hear anybody say that's what they expect or are preparing for. The day I see that is the day I'll probably stop watching football. What would be the point of it if your watch because your expecting your team to lose?

We'll show up and play the game. See what happens.

You know -- with all the going back and forth -- this is the feeling I can't get out of my head. How many times have we seen some no-name Dallas player, who is currently shoving elk **** in Moosejaw, Wisconsin, make a play to win the game in the waning seconds. Or some freak play that snatches victory from the jaws of defeat (i.e. the 22-19, blocked field goal-facemask on the return-Nick fricken Novak kicks the game winner, or the Jason Buck-Strip Sack-Where 4 different Cowboys get their hands on the ball before the Redskins fall on it in the Endzone. Or Stephen Davis running the "Riggo" drill before miraculously fumbling, 3 plays later Dallas is kicking the game winner) As far as Holland and Barron starting, the name Clint Longley should be enough for any Redskins fan to have 2nd thoughts about guaranteeing victory

[SWFLSkins]

I see this as a very dangerous game for both teams. Obviously, OL is going to be key in this match-up. Both teams are basically betting the season on the play of the respective QBs. Both teams have excellent pass rushers. If either OL breaks down, I can see a QB getting hurt in this game and severely impacting the season. For that reason, I think both teams are going to try and establish the run. I think both teams will try and limit the number of passes in an attempt to protect the QB. I would be surprised if either team used a lot of 4 Receiver sets. Like almost every other game in the NFL, turnovers, field position and penalties are going to be decide the game. I think ST are going to be huge. If either kicker has a great game, that team has a very good chance of winning IMO. I don't see this as a wide open game.


I've seen a Super Bowl champion Redskin team get beaten by a one win Cowboy team. I've seen the reverse happen as well. I think I can safely say that the day will never come when either side is prepared to get an ass whoppen. It sometimes happens but you'll never hear anybody say that's what they expect or are preparing for. The day I see that is the day I'll probably stop watching football. What would be the point of it if your watch because your expecting your team to lose?

We'll show up and play the game. See what happens.

Thanks for returning the convo to actual sensible football talk. I am sure you and I could be friends and talk about Cowboy/Redskin games all day long. I don't see where I would disagree with you on any of the above. I would like to point out though sadly for FSU0021 that the Redskins kicker is no longer Suisham it is Graham Gano and this may prove to be the most important roster change for the Redskins of all. He might know of Gano and he might remember Suisam, if he can get past the mental block.

You nailed it on many fronts and win or lose I expect to see a competitve game unlike our last meeting when I did not. I still watched, but I knew. With this team I not only don't know but there is room for optimism. Cheers.

[Chase M]

55 Hours 25 Mins to Kickoff! CAN YOU FEEL IT!?